New Russia: seriously or not?

Last time I became ill with understanding. Poorly understood what is happening in the south-east of Ukraine. It creates a feeling of a political game, and, if it is more or less clear with the participants of this game, then the goals and the meaning are not very good.

Leaders of the national resistance in the south-east of Ukraine 24 May at the congress announced the creation of a socio-political association "Popular Front". The congress was attended by 145 delegates from 8 areas.

According to the organizers, the United National Front will operate in the south-east of Ukraine and will unite supporters of federalization from all regions of the country.

Eight people will represent eight regions of Ukraine:

- Donetsk region - the head of the Donetsk People's Republic Denis Pushilin;
- Lugansk region - the head of the Lugansk People’s Republic Valery Bolotov;
- Dnipropetrovsk region - the leader of the movement "South-East" Oleg Tsarev;
- Zaporozhye region - the leader of the "Slavic Guard" Vladimir Rogov;
- Kharkiv region - activist of the "Kharkiv militia" Konstantin Dolgov;
- Odessa region - the leader of the Rodina party, Igor Markov;
- Nikolaev region - Yuri Barbashev;
- Kherson region - Victor Zolotnyuk.

The list is puzzling. Who are these people? Questions are not only the first three. And if I personally understand everything with Bolotov and Pushilin, then here is the eternal deputy Tsarev ... I do not know. It does not cause much confidence - as a person who “changed his shoes” so many times, if one applies Ukrainian terminology.

The Popular Front was created to protect the civilian population from Nazi gangs funded by oligarchs and foreign intelligence agencies for self-determination and self-organization in order to solve social problems of poverty and unemployment, as well as to strengthen ties with Russia, ”the manifesto said.

The front is open to broad cooperation with political parties, social movements, non-governmental organizations - all who are ready to resist "the self-styled Kiev authorities, who have unleashed a war against their people," the document says.

According to the "people's governor" of the Donetsk region Pavel Gubarev, the entry of another six regions of Ukraine is planned in the new state: Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov and Kherson. The separation of these regions will be held in the same way as in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions - through referendums, Gubarev said.

According to Gubarev, Novorossia is also ready to recognize the results of the presidential elections in Ukraine only if Kiev recognizes the independence of the republics of Donbass.

Plans, of course, not just aggressive. Especially, if we take into account what is happening in the same Zaporizhia and Dnipropetrovsk regions. And there, according to available information, does not happen ANYTHING. Life goes on, people work, get paid, participate in elections. No rallies, no shares. No riots and fights. Peace and quiet. Approximately the same situation in other areas. Naturally, except for Donetsk and Lugansk.

So what kind of referendums are you talking about? Or do the deputies of the congress have a few more riflemen who will take upon themselves the distraction of the forces of the Kiev authorities? More than doubtful.

Kharkiv and Odessa should not be considered. Odessa will not soon be able to recover from May 2. Kharkov ... Anyone who could do the organization there, mostly sit. Chosen from Kharkov K. Dolgov does not appear in Kharkov. To avoid.

So who and how will hold these referendums? And for whom? Everything is doubtful in terms of implementation.

Gubarev's statement on the recognition of the presidential elections in Ukraine in exchange for the recognition of Novorossia is generally a masterpiece. And the point is not that Kiev never recognizes Novorossia. And the fact that at the very beginning of the Novorossiysk are ready to bargain with Kiev. And in vain. Apparently, little of Odessa and Slavyansk.

A strange feeling is caused by these activities. Manifesto, demanding the withdrawal of troops from Kiev and the end of the war - what is it like? Any normal person understands that if something changes, it can’t be for the better. Say, politics? International standards? Well, as it were already observed, where Kiev saw these norms and requirements. And it is stupid to expect that Poroshenko, appointed by President Poroshenko, suddenly follow them.

It doesn't look serious. And all would be nothing, Tsarev had not played enough in his own importance - and God be with him. Let him have fun writing memoranda and other meaningless pieces of paper. But while in Donetsk “deputies” are gathering from “anti-Kiev forces”, including from Slavyansk, surrounded by a triple ring of ATO forces (according to a story from Slavyansk), in the same Slavyansk people die under bullets and shells .

But, apparently, to speculate about the referendum in the Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhya, Odessa, Mykolayiv, Kharkiv and Kherson regions is more important than creating for example an army capable of stopping the war.

Comments

[Turkir]

I share your concern. Many slogans have little action.

[bulvas]

Quote: Turkir

I share your concern. Many slogans have little action.

Everything is thought out there:

Odessa - need a port, cut off immediately
Kharkov - a convenient location for installing a missile defense system, kept under control

Donetsk and Lugansk -
1 Arrows and Bolotov appeared on time (Southeast Liberation Army)
2 Washington is also on hand - suddenly Russia will rush to defend and send troops
3 Problems on the border with Russia

The remaining regions, left alone, maintained a quiet life, given the importance of the regions for the economy


The reasonableness of the planners cannot be denied

[Rostovchanin]

Kharkov - a convenient location for installing a missile defense system, kept under control

I think it’s not convenient ... before the start, all Iskanders will fall to their home base

[bulvas]

Quote: Rostovchanin

Kharkov - a convenient location for installing a missile defense system, kept under control

I think it’s not convenient ... before the start, all Iskanders will fall to their home base

Yes, if you look from a military point of view.

This is about politics (pressure on Russia)

[matross]

Quote: bulvas

The remaining regions, left alone, maintained a quiet life, given the importance of the regions for the economy

The remaining regions did not particularly worry, except for Nikolaev. Yes, and he quickly turned sour.

[Slavs]

I think everything is more prosaic, the concepts - strategy, politics, economics, social obligations in Ukraine are absent, only the concepts of loot and power remain ... The scheme is rather like this:
Odessa, port, trade, loot ...
Kharkov, drummer, trade, loot (perhaps, all the same, industrial zone ...)
Zaporozhye industrial zone (large), loot ...
Donbass, coal, loot, but leaves ..., C ... ka
Approximately, of course, but somewhere like that ...

[Alekseev]

Quote: bulvas

Everything is thought out there:

No need to simplify.
The formula of Ukrainian events is much more unknown, and the direct conclusions, to put it mildly, are not entirely correct.
Just like that "left alone", "cut off immediately", suddenly, out of nowhere, "appeared in time."
The nationalist coup in Ukraine came out, like an Odessa pogrom, out of control of those who conceived it.
No one knows the final result, but so far the events are more or less predictable.
The author does not need to be too clever, they say, there are few things to do, many slogans.
It’s not easy to do such things. At least, while the dill army and the National Guard have little success and what they do not know.
And negotiations must be conducted. Successful. For any war ends in negotiations.
And to scream that there is no resistance in Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye is stupid, it's just that there are a lot of "goodies" there, there is no work, the brains that are weaker are washed out. Nothing, everything can change dramatically, but no - that means they like living under Benya and no one decides to them ...

[Klepa]

I’m wondering how an ordinary Ukrainian feels today. Is there any awareness that it was sold to the IMF cheaper than a street mongrel? Or is this realization only in words, but his heart does not believe and he thinks that everything is fine, the elections are going on, but all this does not concern him (according to the principle "what does the state have to do with it? I am in itself, it is in itself") ... ...

[Slavs]

If thinking people, the intelligentsia are in doubt, then what can the workers and peasants think? This does not concern them, in their opinion ... But this is until the children began to swell from hunger ...

[bulvas]

Quote: Klepa

I’m wondering how ordinary Ukrainians feel today. Is there any realization that the IMF sold it cheaper than a street mongrel?

And what happened to us in the late 80s and early 90s?
They took loans from the IMF, immediately poured them into their pockets, then Russia paid back.

Well, the GDP began to deal with the oligarchs, the money more or less went to the budget, they were able to pay off debts, they began to slowly restore the state, the army.

By the way, then the West suspected that Russia could get out of control, then they began to prepare for Ukraine and everything else, against Russia

[dkflbvbh]

They are used to survive for 23 years of independence. Therefore, they sit on huts waiting for cola to go uncle, that all for nothing to crawl. Goats.

[DimaGromyko]

If here (on this site) anyone was interested in the opinion of a "simple Ukrainian", they would have listened to him a few months ago. But like on most Russian sites, the opinion of Ukrainians does not interest anyone, unless this opinion is 100% the same as the opinion of United Russia.

But in fact, there is no feeling of devotion (let the Crimeans cry, who a few months ago shouted "Hurray, Russia", and to whom the Russians hung noodles about crowds of tourists).

But finally, for the first time since February, there is pride in their country. Because the army finally began to show what it is (although NATO instructors had to be connected to the process).

For Russians, the news is generally bad.
Firstly, all nationalist and fascist parties in Ukraine in total scored less than 2% of the election. (This is a topic about lies about the dominance of the Nazis in Ukraine).
Secondly, as if the local militias rebelled against the Kiev Junta - are dying in the hundreds (yes, yes, the bill has already gone to hundreds in just one day yesterday). And what is strange, among them there are suspiciously many Chechens. But of course, these are all the machinations of the State Department.
Thirdly, the president in Ukraine is elected. Moreover, he was elected in one round and by a substantial margin from all other candidates. (And this is bad luck, it’s not at all Yarosh from the right Sector that the Russians scared there.) Moreover, the president is not Julia, so now the Russian media will have to come up with a new lie about the Orange Revolution organized in Ukraine.
Fourth, strangely enough, but the Ukrainian Armed Forces finally began to shoot at the Russians, conducting sabotage activities in Ukraine. It is high time. And before that, our Armed Forces only stated and the video laid out how the Russians are breaking the border, how the Russians captured this and that. And in general, they really behaved like a piece ... Although it is understandable, that ZEK, which is now hiding from justice in Rostov, completely ruined the army, and besides, we too believed in the brotherhood of nations - time has shown that we believed in vain. By the way, perhaps one of the reasons why the sun reacted so sluggishly was just legal uncertainty with the legitimacy of power. But now there is no such uncertainty. (In the opinion of the Russians on this issue, after the last two months, even the most stubborn Russian supporters in eastern Ukraine do not care.)
Fifthly, the myth about the failure of the Ukrainian state, about the split of Ukraine into the East, West, South and something else is finally refuted there. Here you even need to thank Russia, without your military aggression this myth could easily become true. (The way the whole future situation in Ukraine will be covered in the Russian media is generally useless to write. You have your own virtual reality there. It's even strange that so many people believe in all that nonsense that goes through the Russian media, but it’s probably such a tricky defense mechanism of the soul calm of Russians, because if the media lie about Ukraine, then they probably can lie about Russia ...)

P.S. Enough to judge Ukrainians on their own. The Russian nation is much younger than the Ukrainian one (learn history), so it is unnecessary to incorrectly perceive our tolerance towards Russians for weakness.

P.P.S. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, until the quilted jackets raised a howl I explain, the Swedish flag is on - because I'm writing under a Swedish proxy. And I don’t really care what flag under the proxy to go next time.

[Kolovrat77]

Quote: DimaGromyko

The Russian nation is much younger than the Ukrainian (learn history)

You are a moron, so God does not love you. God loves polite and smart people.

P.S.Russian nation does not exist!

[DimaGromyko]

Quote: Kolovrat77

You are a moron, so God does not love you. God loves polite and smart people.

Oh, a typical Russian answer in the spirit of "he dypak". However, nothing else was expected from the Russians.

Quote: Kolovrat77

P.S.Russian nation does not exist!

In the memorial. I hope you someday realize that you just froze.

[Kolovrat77]

Quote: DimaGromyko

typical russian

This is another matter. And do not be stupid the next time, the right to be reluctant to call people d. Morons.

[tasey]

you are not a stupid person. just a FAULT. To discuss with your ignoramuses, with the history of the glorious campaigns of Sich almost to Antarctica is stupid. Our get involved - why? it's hard to explain to a freak that he is. And ours - I want ...

[DimaGromyko]

Watch you from 1 min. 45 sec (Who made this site so stupidly that even YouTube videos it cannot show from the right piece ...)

P.S. You have so highlighted the word "undergrowth" that I even for a second doubted whether it is typical for your vocabulary. But to discuss, you need to have at least minimal knowledge of the subject of discussion. You don't have them. So don't strain yourself.

[wax]

However: In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God!
If you recall the most recent, you will find that the word Novorossia was revived by none other than Putin. And, presumably, the grounds for such a slogan stem from an analysis of the development of the situation in Ukraine this year, because it is obvious that the Kiev junta, having believed in the omnipotence of Uncle Sam, has lost the ability to adequately assess Ukrainian realities and, having bitten a bit, relies on military force against its own people, as if conducting an ATO. But the West has already become indecent to play these games in Kiev, which follows from the position of the OSCE. Currently, there is no reason to believe that Kiev has reason.

[alauda1038]

Well, you need to figure it out from the beginning, only slowness is not happy

[edge]

Quote: alauda1038

Well, you need to figure it out from the beginning, only slowness is not happy

each nation is worthy of its ruler ...... let them grow, study and do then they will have real independence, for which it is possible to breastfeel with bayonets: otherwise at 87 they seemed to have grabbed, they screamed, and now they’ll wait in the kitchen gardens .. ..- when a good uncle comes and gives us blessings. What prevents to create a couple of motorized groups and start the active phase, real deaths will go and% 65 zapadentsev will run away, and the army will begin to switch to the active and strong side.

[dkflbvbh]

Everyone pulls a blanket over himself, but in the end, not a fig. They are trying to pull the power on themselves and use it, but it doesn’t work out. Kiev will soon come to its senses and this bloody farce will end, sorry for the dead for high ideas.

[dima-fesko]

That they pull the blanket over themselves is for sure. But the farce is just beginning!

[edge]

but why not understand: the escalation of the conflict will grow, so that Russia will send troops to the defense, and after that they will let down all the dogs, first of all, on the sights the financial resources of the funds placed behind the cordon ....., i.e. grab our dough and much, in the second, create an image of the enemy and set mongrels, in the third, tear it into spare parts, and no one ever remembered Schaub .....

[mig31]

As a program, more than seriously, it remains for the small - to execute

[omsbon]

Quote: mig31

As a program, more than seriously, it remains for the small - to execute

Friends, you must admit that without a program of action, without the intended path, it is impossible to achieve the goal!

[Bobxnumx]

Someone should implement the developed program and set goals. In Lugansk and Donetsk - the process is poorly poor, the process is difficult, but it is. The rest is a big question. The author is right.

[creak]

Article plus, for trying an unbiased look at events in the Southeast, gives cause for reflection ......

[vladsolo56]

very biased, a person simply imposes his point of view.

[Wolland]

Slowly, but rightly go ..... Crimea 2,0! not far away....

[Klepa]

Crimea 2.0 has already failed there. They needed to mobilize very quickly in early March. And now there is only the road: either war or deflection.

[Walking]

We will see what happens next.

[kombat58]

Plans, of course, are not just predatory.

Auto RU. Who do you think is going to capture from whom. You already decide please, predatory or liberating! This is the first. And secondly, the declared concern for the success of the enterprise cannot hide the MAIN! Lack of confidence in VICTORY! Our business is right! Victory will be ours!
And stir up the water in such difficult days, cause, and even more so try to justify, the doubts that people have are not only NOT ORDERING, but also reeks of PROVOCATION!
Can you still inform the operational-tactical plans, so that you can "depict" their "discussion" and immediately "merge" the enemy.
Do not wait!
"Minus" from me.

[222222]

US Declaration of Independence. 1776.
July 04 // 00: 00
"Of course, prudence requires that governments established long ago should not change under the influence of insignificant and fleeting circumstances; accordingly, all experience of the past confirms that people tend to endure vices as long as they can be tolerated rather than exercising their right but when a long series of abuses and violence, invariably subordinated to one and the same goal, testifies to an insidious intention to force the people to accept unlimited despotism, overthrowing such a government and creating new guarantees of security for the future becomes a right and a duty These colonies have long shown patience, and only the need is forcing them to change the previous system of their government.The history of the reigning king of Great Britain is a set of countless injustices and violence, the immediate goal of which is to establish unlimited despotism ma. To confirm the above, we present the following facts to the impartial court of all mankind.

* He refused to give his consent to the adoption of laws that were highly useful and necessary for the common good.
.............................................. ""
http://www.diletant.ru/articles/1604197/

[krpmlws]

I support kombat. The author of the article is probably in a state of depression, otherwise there is no way to explain the hysterical and negative tone. 1. Regarding Tsarev, I hope the people of Novorossia will figure it out to the extent of their confidence. My personality causes Tsarev only positive associations and emotions. The evolution of Tsarev’s political position is easily understood in terms of a specific political situation. I find nothing reprehensible in this. 2. The announcement by Novorossia of its claims to the entire territory of Ukraine (in the framework of the desire to cleanse Ukraine from fascism) looks logical, but then the possibilities, to put it mildly, will not be consistent with the requirements. The statement on the inclusion of all areas in Novorossia is quite logical, since they historically were part of Novorossia, and it cannot be otherwise. The conformist position of a part of the population of a number of regions of Novorossia cannot be the reason for abandoning the desire to restore historical justice. The author asks for whom and who will hold the referendum. Funny right. I do not aspire to be a seer, there are just obvious objective realities, the author will be very surprised that when Novorossia regains its integrity, there will be lines of voters, such as in Lugansk or Donetsk. 3. Is it possible to restore the integrity of Novorossia? The situation in SE is difficult, but nothing is impossible. For questions about specific plans and methods, contact the government of Novorossia. 4. Regarding the creation of the army and memoranda. To create an army, you need money, a lot of money, the question is where to get it. To do this, you need to establish control over business in the republic. You understand, in a situation where cities are blocked by invaders, it is difficult to exercise control. It's closed circle: in order to expel the invaders, an army is needed, in order to create an army, control over business is necessary, and control over business is impossible under the occupation of the republic. It is very difficult to break this vicious circle, but I hope it will be broken. An important role could Play the outside help, but the people of New Russia will probably have to rely only on their sily.Nu and memorandum, what's wrong, is the state-it formulates its policies, determines their place and position in the world.

[laogun]

Article ordered and paid by enemies. Combat, I absolutely agree - the author never knows what is behind the events, what will happen next. But he is trying to stir up doubts in people and deepen their misunderstanding. But it is clear that the enemy is at a loss and is trying to probe promising information. And the plans are taking their course and are ahead of the nazisvidomy by several moves ahead.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: kombat58

Can you still inform the operational-tactical plans, so that you can "depict" their "discussion" and immediately "merge" the enemy.

I am not interested in your plans. If you, of course, not Tsarev.

Quote: kombat58

Do not wait!

And in his thoughts was not.

Quote: krpmlws

The author of the article is probably in a state of depression, otherwise there is no way to explain the hysterical and negative tone.

The author is just fine, but I wish you not to see a depressing hysteria in the mirror in the morning.

Quote: laogun

Article ordered and paid by enemies.

Then do not tell me how much I should get for it?

Quote: laogun

the author never knows what is behind the events, what will happen next. But he is trying to stir up doubts in people and deepen their misunderstanding.

Yes, where is he, in kind. But in general, I write for smart people, and I don’t hide it. And the opinion of smart people is interesting to me, not the cries of the street goers. Especially those who know and understand everything for many moves ahead.

[tasey]

Daughter, how? All the same, she convinced her that freaks should not be covered in three floors?

[Name]

Every revolution is only worth something if it knows how to defend itself!- it seems from V.I. (Ulyanov) Lenin, - is perfectly suited to the current situation in the South-East of Ukraine. It’s not time to sit down, time to protect what has been achieved.

[222222]

May 23 N.V. Starikov "Ukraine should become part of All-Russian unity"
“-Ukraine is an idea built on anti-Russian
- The idea of ​​Ukrainian nationalism needs to be defeated as an idea.
-In such a situation, the introduction of troops into Ukraine will provide fertile ground for the growth of Ukrainian nationalism and will be like gasoline splashed into a fire. Ukrainian preachers should not be given reasons and facts that they can interpret as aggression by Russia.
-It is necessary to approve the idea of ​​Russianness in a new form, and not some opposition to the idea of ​​Ukrainians. This may be the idea of ​​Ukraine as part of All-Russian Unity. This is the idea of ​​collegiality, uniting all for a common purpose. When, for her sake, we can, combining our efforts, be not only in one trench, but also in one entrance, and in one country.
- All-Russian Unity, of which Ukraine is a part - as part of a strong, solid whole in the stormy sea of ​​modern politics.
-Today, the South-East of Ukraine needs an idea. Her choice is paramount. The simple and seemingly obvious idea of ​​exterminating the Nazis and fascists is not appropriate. Because after their destruction, the meaning of actions disappears, leaving together with the embodied idea.
- The idea of ​​Ukraine as the idea of ​​“anti-Russia” needs Russia's actions, which can be interpreted as aggression. And the idea of ​​All-Russian Unity needs its realization by future carriers of this idea from the East of Ukraine. So that, having understood it and realized, the Southeast shared this idea with the rest of Ukraine. Especially with her West. Indeed, one idea based on hatred and the opposition of one part of the All-Russian Unity to another should be replaced by another. Based on love and respect for the parts of the One whole to each other .... "
http://nstarikov.ru/blog/40177

[222222]

May 22 A. Wasserman: “Preserving a united Ukraine is the best option for Russia”
“And since the upcoming performance called“ elections ”itself is clearly not aimed at uniting Ukraine around some of its own goals, but at finally turning it into an instrument of destruction for the rest of Russia, it’s obvious that the elections will not only end the conflict, but they will only facilitate its further development.
And yet, Russia can let it “through force”, but still recognize the results of elections in Ukraine?
- It is impossible to exclude such an option, but in general it should be clear that any concession from the Russian Federation will be considered by the Washington organizers and the Kiev revolutionists as an excuse for putting forward new and new demands on Moscow and putting pressure on it.
Therefore, in the place of the leader of the Russian Federation, I would have ceded to them in only one way, namely, I would have given the right to independently choose a place I liked at the cemetery ”
.: http: //nashaplaneta.su/blog/a_vasserman_sokhranenie_edinoj_ukrainy_nailuchshij
_variant_dlja_rossii/2014-05-22-30178#ixzz32nheggDY

[wax]

You are of course right. But actions must be conducted and are being conducted in all directions so as not to become a bunch of terrorists.
http://warfiles.ru/show-58018-banderlogi-kopayte-shrony.html
http://warfiles.ru/show-58020-igor-strelkov-oni-otvetyat-za-pytki-russkih-malchi
shek-i-starikov.html

[Denis]

Seriously, they will tell

[avt]

As for Tsarev, I completely agree! As well as in relation to all the fosterlings of the "Party of Regions", Communists "from Ukraine. But at the expense of the lull in the remaining regions of Novorossiya, and indeed in the hetman region, it is not over yet. Everything is still ahead. Parashenko has already announced the course of development of the remaining territory prescribed by the Americans - no federalization and a European future. And this means the continuation of the war and the murder of industry, which is in general in the South and East, as well as a kerdyk to agriculture. Unemployment will grow, social programs have been cut, and they will cut, money for this year, 30-50 yards will not give - only for war and covering up pressing problems, which means that as bankrupts were, and will remain. So the structure, preferably a party, in order to pick up the protest in the regions is needed. I really need it! Just remember how they extinguished Kharkov without such a structure in the post-Maydauny times, when it was necessary to organize people. But will they be able to deploy the United National Front into such a militant structure? That is the question, and even with Tsarev, who joined the compromiser. It would be better if they took Yulia instead she would have changed her color and hairstyle and the soul rushed to paradise, only Parasha would have flown away from Parasha.

[Silhouette]

New Russia - the project is quite real. But long lasting. This is not Crimea. You need to harness for a long time. New Russia is formed as a result of the development of the logic of internal processes of confrontation between the warring parties of the political process. There will be two wars in Ukraine - the civil war - between the government forces and the Novorossiya rebels and the intergovernmental war between the Svoboda, Yaros, and Tymoshenko people, and I still don’t know who. The scuffle in the Parliament will not stop, and Poroshenko will be in the role of Yanukovych. Everyone will be for himself. The country will live on Western aid, in debt under the constant threat of default. How long will it take to raise the mass of supporters of New Russia? It will depend on the leadership of Russia.

[Fin]

Quote: Silhouette

New Russia - the project is quite real. But long lasting.

I agree, do not rush. Now the moment has come when some are not able to suppress, while others start an offensive in neighboring areas. To become an independent republic, it is necessary first of all to take control of financial flows (pensions, salaries for teachers, doctors, military and other state employees). There should be a detailed plan painted by the hour: the Treasury, Central Bank, state. funds, databases, etc. People should not feel worse. Whether there is a team capable of doing this is unknown. If this is done, then the Russian Federation will be able to help, but not to give money in cash. Secondly - to recruit and train the army, summer is enough for this. In November-January, people will begin to see clearly, unrest will begin, and then it will be possible to continue the liberation.
This is the main problem for everyone - Akhmetov, something needs to be done with him.

[222222]

May 23 "Three ways of the South-East of Ukraine - Russia is one"
On May 22, 2014, within the walls of the International Fund for Slavic Literature and Culture, a round table was held on “Russia and the DPR — the stabilization road map” (to develop formats for interstate cooperation, assistance and interaction), organized by the Russian Choice public movement.
.. THREE PLANS for the development of the situation in New Russia of various political groups were considered ..
"The second plan belongs to the camp of" realists ", which has recently rallied around Vladimir Putin and state structures that carry out direct operational interaction with the former Ukrainian territories in the form of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics. The plans of this center of influence include the legitimization of new states and southern regions of the former Ukraine as part of autonomous region "Novorossia", which will either continue to exist in the format of a sovereign state, or will become part of Russia according to the Crimean scenario. The most important condition for the formation of a new administrative-territorial entity will be "zero tolerance" in relation to the comprador oligarchy represented by Kolomoisky, Akhmetov, Taruta , Poroshenko and their business interests in the territory of Novorossiya, as well as the nationalization of industry and monopoly industries in favor of the people. The starting point of this process should be the rejection of the illegitimate elections in Ukraine on May 25. "
..the essence of the 1st and 3rd plans in the text ..
http://evrazia.org/article/2528

[222222]

May 25 Sergey Kurginyan "On the development of processes in the South-East of Ukraine"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN_qaztDpN8

[WETER]

The thinking of the modern layman - clip-on, raised on two watch thrillers - interferes with perspective thinking. Everyone wants a happy end so that our win, and so as not to get up from the couch and eat pistachios. In real life this does not happen. The situation in Ukraine is progressing and the creation of a political force with the potential for constructive action is good. It becomes apparent that the intervention of (active) Russia today is premature.

[valentina-makanalina]

There is a "Popular Front", but where are the fighters.
Well, with Donetsk and Lugansk it’s clear there. And in the other 6 areas? Delegates and sympathizers? Or is it still a secret front, deeply conspiracy, or it will still be created. So it's time to prove yourself for a long time. Or are you hoping for a kind uncle from Kiev who will give the go-ahead for the creation of New Russia?

[Aleksandr65]

People are REALLY AFRAID-after Odessa. After all, it is necessary to fight as in 1941 in occupation, there is a strong, cruel enemy.

[Hyperboreec]

It is necessary to collect at least 50.000 bayonets in the DPR and LPR together, and equip them at the norm.
These forces will be enough for the rejection of the national guard, and when people see the FORCE, then the rest of the region (people) will want to join New Russia.

[podpolkovnik]

Absolutely correct!
I fully support the previous speaker!

[ussr1960]

Quote: Giperboreec

It is necessary to collect at least 50.000 bayonets in the DPR and LPR together, and equip them at the norm.

Look on the internet for Strelkov's speech when he personally addresses the Donetsk and Luhansk residents, in fact, accusing them of passivity and indifference to what is happening. Despite the fact that everyone is shouting federalization, freedom, Russia, the number of people in the militia does not exceed hundreds of fighters. The militias have an abundance of weapons that can arm thousands. But! Here's a bad luck. There is no one to arm. Miners rummage in their mines, hoping to someday receive a salary for a piece of bread, other people are walking around the city without noticing anything, others "... are fighting at the TV screen sipping beer on the sofa ...". And in the depths of their Ukrainian tortured soul they are waiting, waiting for this Russian "quilted jacket" with a machine gun to come to protect their unfortunate men from the fascist junta hanging over them. They wait a week, wait a month ... and they will wait as long as they like. If only to themselves remain safe and sound, and then in all their troubles to blame the one who came with the machine to protect them.

[Lion]

I agree with you Giperboreec. Or maybe just a group of specialists and punish pointwise? for example 1) Yarosh 2) Kolomoisky 3) Poroshenko, etc.

[kodxnumx]

I think V. V.’s plan for GDP as always for a long-term perspective, they say one time about Little Russia and New Russia, that means the GDP has such a project, and it’s already going to implement it! hopes that everything is considered and thought out.

[navodchik]

So what kind of referendums are you talking about? Or do the deputies of the congress have a few more riflemen who will take upon themselves the distraction of the forces of the Kiev authorities? More than doubtful.

As the saying goes: "it's not over yet." There is a process of political maturation of leaders. There will be leaders - there will be a party - the adopted programs will be carried out.

Gubarev's statement on the recognition of the presidential elections in Ukraine in exchange for the recognition of Novorossia is generally a masterpiece. And the point is not that Kiev never recognizes Novorossia. And the fact that at the very beginning of the Novorossiysk are ready to bargain with Kiev. And in vain. Apparently, little of Odessa and Slavyansk.

We’ll have to speak with Kiev, because it's still a neighbor, because Novorossia will not fly to Mars immediately after separation. Requirements, not requests, mind you, are quite adequate to the current situation.

[Semenov]

Strongly support avt! The economy will not rise after the elections, impoverishment will continue, private armies will not give up their weapons, the Maidan will remain. Moreover, SE industry is tied to Russia, people are simply doomed to unemployment, so the creation of such an education would have to happen sooner or later.

[Balamyt]

Forgive me, but looking at everything that happens, the pioneer game "Zarnitsa" emerges from distant memory! It is scary that people are dying, and no end and edge is visible to this. I am afraid that the very idea of ​​independence would not dissolve behind conversations, approvals, and under pressure from Kiev ...

[Roshchin]

Recall, comrade officers, primary sources. Grandfather Lenin wrote that it is necessary to start with the creation of an all-Russian political organization with a coherent program and specific goals. Such an organization should work using both legal opportunities and underground. How much this corresponds to the prevailing conditions will show further events. They cannot stop, but only move forward. They should be given possible support, especially in money (following the example of overseas democracy experts).

[Aleksandr65]

... in the Zaporizhzhya and Dnipropetrovsk regions. And there, according to available information, nothing happens. Life goes on, people work, get paid, participate in elections. No rallies, no shares ...

I would like to note to the author that in the Warsaw or Minsk ghettos, too, there were no rallies, no actions. It was exceptionally calm also in occupied Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov ... Rallies, actions, the author does not know how these actions ended in Odessa and Kharkov? SCAR is their goal and they have achieved it

[Roman Skomorokhov]

I know. All the more stupid for me are the statements about holding referendums there.
I fully agree with your opinion and comparisons.

[staryivoin]

The idea of ​​independence and especially the project for its implementation is not a matter of 2-3 weeks. The authorities of New Russia need to decide. The article is correct.
As for Zarnitsa, it is far from being a pioneer game, everything is serious there, with all the consequences that fly out from here. It's like on the defensive, when you are sitting in the trenches of the second echelon, the front edge is already being ironed with might and main, and you bite your fists, since your turn has not yet reached. And in my heart it’s bad, because you understand that they are far from being fed cookies.
But nothing will be a holiday in our trench. We didn’t start it ...

[mackonya]

In one of Oleg Tsarev's interviews with LifeNews, behind him was a map of Novorossiya, of course this was done intentionally, and it was clear that they wanted to unite the entire South-East into Novorossiya. Why Oleg Tsarev is represented among the leaders of the JNF, I think because he is a deputy from the Party of Regions, and among all of them the only legitimate representative of the "power". In addition, Oleg Tsarev is one of those who can negotiate with the "Kiev authorities", of course, he no longer has a deputy mandate, but most likely he will not be taken hostage.

[just Ilyich]

Indeed, the article is provocative. The goal, conscious or otherwise, is to bring confusion to the ranks of the supporters. And the leaders are not the same, and the people are indifferent, and peace and quiet in all areas of the South-East, except for the DPR ... The leaders of the Popular Front are doing what they can and how they can. They risk their lives. Those who put up armed resistance are heroes, even if they do not have special costumes for performing feats and their appearance, level of education, individual characteristics do not correspond to the ideas of "good super-heroes" from American cinema. They really defend the honor and dignity of the Russian nation. I would like to hope that the Russian Federation is still helping with something else besides diplomatic and moral support. It’s strange why the movement doesn’t get mass participation, at least for charitable aid to the DPR. We are the same passive ordinary people, like the citizens of Ukraine, who do not want to go beyond the formal expression of will through participation in elections or referendums, not caring at all whether we have honestly counted the votes, whether the groups sending power are going to take into account the "opinion of the people ".

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: simply Ilyich

A goal, consciously or for other reasons, to add confusion to the ranks of supporters.

And if you are a supporter - do not hesitate.

And about the provocation - yes. I want to provoke people to stir their brains.

[vladsolo56]

Who is the author? A person who does not understand anything at all in politics or in economics. Ukraine is bankrupt today, well, they chose the president, then what? There is no money and is not expected. Poroshenko will clearly continue his course towards Europe, and that means the Ukrainian industry will be finished off completely, and even his chocolate business. After everything that happened in the east, it is doubtful to say that he can persuade anyone. The fool understands that everyone who was in the militia or even just in the organs of self-government, will inevitably be punished. Because all who are now with weapons will fight to the last. Despite the fact that the Ukrainian army is not combat-ready, hoping that with its help you can disarm someone is simply ridiculous. In addition, to believe that the nationalists of Bandera will support Poroshenko for just the same naivety. The elections are over, but the collapse of Ukraine does not stop there.

[tokin1959]

Industry needs to be finished.
Do not buy anything from uRkaints, only from Donetsk, Lugansk.
Helicopter engines are no longer needed - they will specifically sell the marriage.
refuse everything.
gas shut off, no discounts and concessions - paid - received.
Porosenko promised 1000 hryvnias a day to participants of anti-terrorist operation, so let it spin.
the regime will not last until the fall, but it will release a lot of blood.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: vladsolo56

Who is the author? The man does not understand anything either in politics or in economics.

Critic who? A person who does not understand anything at all in the rules of a culture of communication, but with clearly overstated ChSV.

Clearly either from the Kremlin, or from the State Duma. There are many of them. Overconfident.

If you are personally knowledgeable, why are there so many problems in our country?

[saag]

Quote: 222222

-Today, the South-East of Ukraine needs an idea. Her choice is paramount. The simple and seemingly obvious idea of ​​exterminating the Nazis and fascists is not appropriate. Because after their destruction, the meaning of actions disappears, leaving together with the embodied idea.

Now, this is correct, the idea is needed, and it is not necessary to look for it, everything has already been tested, we take 1917 as a model, we proclaim the power of the working people, we form a political organization like the Communist Party of Novorossia, we adopt the moral code of the builder of Novorossiya and the call “Fatherland is in danger! )

[maxbaxg61]

The cruel truth, judge for yourself that the author writes that I live in Donnbas and I know that there is no work going on, money too, Kiev promises to stop paying pensions and salaries in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions (republics like someone). And then what if you pay it will be elementary for light is not what !!! I understand that power that in Kiev is not power is jackals who want to grab more money and do it without a twinge of conscience. In general, if the plants stop, then Donnbas will throw back into the Stone Age ... I still have sex I’m in trouble in a village, but a friend of my girl is studying in Slavyansk e and she simply can’t get to the session, and she has the last year of study

[Aleksandr65]

In Transnistria in 1992, this was all and was hard. And it did not and does not have a border with Russia !. And now, almost everything works, cheap gas, good pensions, its own stable currency, banks, cheap communal apartment, and most importantly, people live the way they want, with their OWN story, OWN, heroes, OWN languages. The support of Russia is huge, but the blockade is from Moldova and Ukraine. And you have common borders, so I would have no doubt about the economy. Now it’s hard, but it will be better than in Ukraine, which the communal flat expects 4 (!) Times more than now. All this has already been done in Moldova: 1000 hryvnias only for heating an apartment for 1000 hryvnias of pension - and live (die) as you want! An acquaintance from the Dnieper came and did not believe it, but it was his tomorrow, like insurance medicine (he doesn’t know, ha!), Wild taxes, paid tuition, etc.

[wax]

In real life, alas, there are only two choices - to sell and not to sell. Only one percent of the population has a special right to buy everything. Here is his power and must be destroyed. In a different way.
"Only he is worthy of life and freedom, who every day goes to fight for them" - I. Goethe

[Aleksandr65]

An army friend in Odessa told me that if before May 2 in Odessa it was 50/50 per second. (former Ukraine) / Russia, then after 90% for Russia, but they are afraid, they don’t know what to do and do not believe in any success. People are just trying to survive ...

[Alfer]

A friend did not say that most of the inhabitants of Odessa choked with delight and squealed. Burn Russian critters. Just 90% shouted. I also have a friend. In Odessa. I always considered him a very good person. When the mess started, I wrote him an SMS. I’m very worried and worried about him. I got an answer. I’m in Greek. I’m chasing quilted jackets .. I realized that a terrible thing was happening there and wrote a simple request: “Please, be careful and ask: do not kill anyone. Do not take sin upon the soul. After a couple of hours, we learned about a terrible misfortune and burned people. To my questions about what happened there was already silence. I was worried. The next day, he sent me a link to Ukrainian information sources, where it was written that Russian provocateurs had arranged everything in the House of Trade Unions, set themselves on fire, and Ukrainian activists, like angels, could save anyone they could.
I wrote to my comrade that I regret that his hands are now in blood. He replied to me in the most disgusting way, which is not right with my head. I replied that my head was not in order at all, and that I was no exception. But what about all those who call their compatriots “quilted jackets” and “Colorado bugs”, everyone without exception after the Odessa events has their hands in blood and ashes. To which he replied to me that it was 95% of Ukrainians. The last thing I wrote to him: “Then stay in the majority. Most are calming. ”
After that, I deleted his number from the phone book. I did it not in my hearts, I did it in the strangest way calmly, with great regret, but realizing that I could never talk to this person again, as before. Now I am afraid of him and I will not forget this fear. And I won’t forget the dark, bottomless anger and hatred that I saw in him. What happened in Odessa is such a disaster that the Ukrainians and Ukrainians still cannot even realize. They cannot realize the scale of what happened. A terrible historical event happened. The historical page of indelible disgrace is written.
It is symbolic that this terrible shame happened in Odessa, in the most cheerful, multi-colored, tolerant and reasonably ironic city. And it was in him that the most base broke out: fierce anger towards each other, hatred, and, as a result, terrible cruelty, which I did not even suspect of the inhabitants of Odessa.
And now I have a terrible feeling that I have lost this beloved city of mine. In any case, I’ve never already ... No matter how scary the word never sounded, I just can never walk down the street of Odessa with the old light, joyful and enthusiastic feelings.

[parusnik]

While there are only conversations, memorandums .. Donetsk and Lugansk are still rebelling .. the rest are waiting for someone to win .. and what is characteristic is not any strikes, marches in support of Donbass ..

[Black]

The worst in Ukraine is ahead, there is no doubt about it.
If the war continues, it will be sour both in Kiev and in SE. Moreover, in the southeast, it will be much more acidic in the beginning. And I still don’t know how the layman pushed to the sofa will lead; do not get him zp or retirement .... Hunger riot than New Russia will hold back?

to continue as it is, a path with an unpredictable outcome and, most likely, a grand humanitarian catastrophe throughout Ukraine ... And to get it out of there again is only for us ....
The most painless way out is to really sit down for the Ukrainians and agree on federalization ...
The fastest is to negotiate with the Kremlin and the database. (This, however, is very unlikely)

PYSY .... on Russian Yandex in the news feed ... "Militants are trying to seize Donetsk international airport"
action films...
Yandex on whose mill pours some water?

[Rostovchanin]

PYSY .... on Russian Yandex in the news feed ... "Militants are trying to seize Donetsk international airport"
fighters ....
Yandex on whose mill pours some water?

Exactly, I have already paid attention to this for a long time. From the headlines, (militants ... separatists ...)

[Evrepid]

And also: Tape, RBC

[Prutkov]

Quote: maxbaxg61

The cruel truth, judge for yourself that the author writes that I live in Donnbas and I know that there is no work going on, money too, Kiev promises to stop paying pensions and salaries in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions (republics like someone). And then what if you pay it will be elementary for light is not what !!! I understand that power that in Kiev is not power is jackals who want to grab more money and do it without a twinge of conscience. In general, if the plants stop, then Donnbas will throw back into the Stone Age ... I still have sex I’m in trouble in a village, but a friend of my girl is studying in Slavyansk e and she simply can’t get to the session, and she has the last year of study

I agree absolutely. But agitation is needed. People should understand that today they are not fighting "for a better life", but so that "it would not be worse", when they begin to poison the environment (not all the buzz is already in the Donbass with ecology) with shale gases, when enterprises are closed, there is already forecasts about 130 thousand unemployed (what about the Roshen factory in Mariupol?), when the "friendship trains" will arrive and arrange another couple of Odessa. This is what we must fight for. And to help people who suffered from the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It is necessary to prepare applications to the courts, incl. and the ECtHR.

[repytw]

... in the Zaporizhzhya and Dnipropetrovsk regions. And there, according to available information, nothing happens. Life goes on, people work, get paid, participate in elections. No rallies, no shares ...

There is little left when people stop working, get paid, they pay huge taxes, then there will be rallies, actions. I think it will begin in the fall, if only the Donbass lasted. You need to help him, if you can’t go to fight, then at least with money, be afraid to transfer it to someone, buy and carry things and products to collection points (addresses on the Internet) - everyone can do it! I already do! AND YOU!!!

[lars]

We do !!! We are also transferring money, but I would like to get some information from Igor Ivanovich in circulation, so that he and his people would get it. Maybe somehow he finds a moment, although I understand how he is now.

[mamont5]

"But, apparently, to speculate about a referendum in Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov and Kherson regions is more important than creating, for example, an army capable of ending the war."

Everything has its time. Who can fight, who can create power and hurt the future. It is clearer that other regions will not rise now, but we said that much will be decided by the fall. By this time, it’s necessary: ​​1. To establish and clear the territory of the junta; 2. To create authorities with an economy that is possible; 3. To establish relations with neighbors (if possible).

[Countermeasure]

People in the Southeast showed the will to resist the so-called "spring" revolutions against the Western plague. Thus, they gave us a little more time to realize, who still did not understand that one can be friends with the West only as slaves and servants. only to those who diligently lick their ass and betray their people. Madeleine Albright and other Western "friends" have long said about the plans for Russia. They are not hiding. There is nowhere to run and retreat, the orcs are already at our walls. Wake up, compatriots!

[Countermeasure]

People in the Southeast showed the will to resist the so-called "spring" revolutions against the Western plague. Thus, they gave us a little more time to realize, who still did not understand that one can be friends with the West only as slaves and servants. only to those who diligently lick their ass and betray their people. Madeleine Albright and other Western "friends" have long said about the plans for Russia. They are not hiding. There is nowhere to run and retreat, the orcs are already at our walls. Wake up, compatriots!

[Agent 008]

I agree with the author! Only the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics shed their blood for freedom from fascism! I believe that we need to fight for them, the rest seem to be ready to simply go with the flow, they don’t care who is in power, if only they wouldn’t touch ... But for Donbass, Russia should stand to death, there are no doubt people who for Russia! God forbid, it will be so ... Moreover, the DPR and LPR, here they are near by, the border is common ... But Poroshenko is a nest, it stinks for a kilometer, it is clear - the new Führer ...

[Giant thought]

But there is a prospect! And the motion vector is indicated. Roughnesses are and will be, not every day historically significant events occur. Russian brothers in Ukraine, look forward, go to the intended goal, and good luck in all your affairs of building your state.

[domiemon]

The author, in all seriousness, thinks that everything is over at Urkain. It hasn't really started there yet. Within a week, ukrov was transferred to an advance payment for gas. The army is finally decomposing, some kind of "Donbass" battalions, Pravoseki and other Makhno battalions are operating in the southeast, which, when formally subordinated to the junta, are actually not controlled by it, the promised help from mattresses was never there, the Crimea and a large part of the industrial base in Donetsk and Lugansk. There is also Yarosh with a bunch of armed thugs, who, according to him, had been preparing for a national revolution for 20 years and did all the dirty work clearly not in order to give everything to some Parashenko for a great life. In general, soon Ukraine is waiting for the second part of the Marlezon ballet

[aleks 62]

Quote: bulvas

Quote: Turkir

I share your concern. Many slogans have little action.

Everything is thought out there:

Odessa - need a port, cut off immediately
Kharkov - a convenient location for installing a missile defense system, kept under control

Donetsk and Lugansk -
1 Arrows and Bolotov appeared on time (Southeast Liberation Army)
2 Washington is also on hand - suddenly Russia will rush to defend and send troops
3 Problems on the border with Russia

The remaining regions, left alone, maintained a quiet life, given the importance of the regions for the economy


The reasonableness of the planners cannot be denied

.... I forgot about such a large port as Mariupol ...

[sv68]

why the hell did you sit on the author? is it true that the eyes are piercing? even in the two republics-Lugansk and Donetsk, mostly enthusiasts fight, and the rest work or at home. other regions are generally quieter than the cemetery. you zombie looked and everything goes chiki- only one horseradish-firewood-disgraced Odessa doesn’t want to take up arms, you can’t see the centers of resistance in Dnepropetrovsk ... so what author’s shaitan was flooded with shit? Or if you do not agree with the opinion, stupidly minus hostility? Are there more serious arguments or am I a warrior empire couch personal — which means god in local ur aries. shame. seniors and senorichs be more careful and more objective. ps-wait a hundred minuses

[Bob]

New Russia is very serious. This is the front line of defense in the eternal confrontation between Russia and the West (once this line was on the territory of Germany, at other times - on the border of Poland, etc., etc., history is replete with options), and this is very dangerous. Today's line runs through the territory of Russia (in its former borders).
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This is a war against Russia. The instigators of war are sitting in Washington. European puppets demonstrate unanimity with the occupying forces of NATO and submit to any whim of overseas puppeteers, apparently more afraid of the anger of the black president than of the discontent of their own people, doomed to pay the costs of the sanctions war with Russia. The Western world is striding straight into the abyss of World War 3. For the Western world has violated all conceivable boundaries, and openly supports the destructive forces directed against Russia, be it Georgia or Ukraine. At the same time, it places shock forces in close proximity to Russia. The further expansion of NATO to the East is being prepared. Yesterday, the West crossed all conceivable limits of decency, and now, like a thief, he climbed into the hut and openly bandits in it as a strong man. There will be a response to this crime of the West, punishment is inevitable.

[hitech]

Quote: Bob

New Russia is very serious

Oh oh To be honest, I have not seen a REALLY STRONG LEADER in any of the current leaders of the Southeast. But this is my, purely personal opinion of a simple person ...

[Bob]

Quote: hitech

Oh oh To be honest, I have not seen a REALLY STRONG LEADER in any of the current leaders of the Southeast. But this is my, purely personal opinion of a simple person ...

New Russia is serious in the sense of the consequences, the reasons that prompted them. About the causes and possible consequences here:

This is serious, because military, social and economic risks have increased many times, not so much regionally as globally. Anything can be said about the leaders of the DPR; the young are green. You can’t argue with this ... New Russia is a rebellious territory from the point of view of the central government in Kiev. From the point of view of international law, it is also illegitimate. But this is the people's power put forward by the protesters for federalization. And this is a very motivated power primarily from the point of view of truth, truth. This is a power ready to die for its people, withstand humiliation, torture, serious pressure from the security forces. Personally, my preference is Oleg Tsarev. As Minister of War, Igor Strelkov is very pleased. I repeat, this is my opinion, and I do not impose it on anyone.

[Savva30]

Poroshenko gathered in Russia in June to discuss the crisis in Ukraine

[Gardamir]

I agree. A lot of words and deeds are not, at all. A month ago, he wrote that it was necessary to unite. Finally deigned. They began their activities by dividing ministerial portfolios. States did not create independence, did not win, but walk in costumes with butterflies. Yesterday a new president of the Outskirts drew in, and Putin recognized him as legal, and as he announced today to finish the ATO in a few days. If all the leaders of New Russia continue talking, then all this will quickly end.

[hitech]

I'll tell you guys that. People from Western Ukraine no longer have values ​​in common with us, citizens of Russia. These are other people. Literally and figuratively. For them, Bandera is REALLY HERO. Today I talked with a guy from Lvov on Skype, not a Bandera member, not a fascist, a normal kid, periodically plays on the Internet, and for him everything that is shown on Russian television is a lie, SOVKOVSKAYA, PUTINSKAYA. With bitterness I must say - THE PRESENT GENERATION IS ALREADY LOST FOR US. Or, by some miracle, it will be possible to "push" the Russian "agent" into the upper echelons of power in Ukraine, or simply come to terms with the irrecoverable loss. In any case, it is necessary to act carefully, with surgical precision ... I just want to say that people there are convinced, in other values, not just from momentary brainwashing - THEY GROWED ON THIS. SCREAMING, THREATENING, RAGE IS USELESS. We need systematic, methodical and clearly verified work with the education of people, otherwise in Russia they will soon say that Hitler was going to free him from the Stalin yoke. And Ukraine must be returned to Russia, people there, "just wander in a completely different direction, not realizing anything and not accepting."

[Dimy4]

that Hitler was going to free from the Stalinist yoke

In the early 90s, such voices were already heard.

[Alfer]

Yes, everything is correctly said. In the same Donetsk and Lugansk one boltology. That martial law is declared. That mobilization. That unite. On paper. And things are there. Slavyansk does not recognize Donetsk at all. And considers them all there as friends of Akhmetov. Yes, and how do they obey? Slavyansk is in blockade. And no one even lifted a finger in Donetsk and came to the rescue. Only armchairs and briefcases are divided. Miracle workers. What kind of Novorossia they came up with. And that would certainly recognize Kiev. Look, straight ahead Kiev was delighted and immediately recognized them. Yes, and what kind of Novorossia? If how were Donetsk , Lugansk and others. Each on its own. They decided to take control of the airport. Yes, it was necessary to take control of it in the first hours. And the railway. They are not allowed to go to the borders. Several hundred militias go to the milionnaya Donetsk. Yes, and those basically local.And mainly from Russia. Or from different regions of Ukraine. If you are going to mobilize, you probably need to pull everyone off the sofas. Strength. As red and white did at the time. Yes, and the whole world. Someone must be alone to manage. With a firm hand. And do not build some fake barricades from a hole and burrow into the ground. If there are so many weapons there, like they’re boasting, then from all the cracks from all the trenches to knock out tanks, bmp, armored personnel carriers, knock down helicopters .. When the tanks are burning psychologically already who lose their temper behind them. And knock them out. .And the law. If the army is captured. And the national guard and other mercenaries, then immediately to the expense. Without talking. Pilots, if you get immediately to the expense. And again I repeat. Someone should lead one. And lead hard. And by about all other areas .. It is doubtful. Kharkiv quickly shut up. Odessa as well. Yes there in that Aude sse the majority of the population was yelling. Burn Russian creatures. Dnepropetrovsk is silent, Nikolaev and Kherson too. Zaporozhye is also .. Apparently everyone is happy. So moreover, all kinds of battalions form there. From among the local ones. There are just the famous Bandera people just not observed. In the same Odessa who approved? Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and local. Remember the girls pouring muck on fuel. It’s obviously not from Lviv these girls arrived. Who beat everyone in Dnepropetrovsk who donned a St. George’s tape. Also carry your own. Dnepropetrovsk. In The governor of Kherson managed to praise Hitler on Victory Day. And only one woman got the courage and pulled out a microphone. And the rest of the crowd was silent. Apparently agreed. In Kharkov, like a couple of times, they drove the law enforcement officers .. And what's next? But nothing. And Kharkov went to Odessa. Burn the dissenters. I agree with the author. You really need to look at things. And do not dream ..

[SLX]

Quote: Skomorokhov Roman

Recently, I have become ill with understanding.

You flatter yourself - you had a bad understanding before.

Quote: Skomorokhov Roman

The events in the south-east of Ukraine are poorly understood.

So in order to be well understood, it is necessary to carry out serious information work.

Quote: Skomorokhov Roman

It creates a feeling of a political game, and if with the participants of this game it is even more or less clear, then the goals and meaning are not very good.

I will tell you a little secret. Which, however, has long been known to many. Several political games are played there at the same time, and each participant in one game simultaneously takes part in several more, when they play of their own accord and when they blindly play it.

So when you start to consider this complex and multi-layered tangle as a combination of different, but interdependent games, and not as one linear game, you will understand a lot.

Quote: Skomorokhov Roman

The list is perplexing.

This is because you neglect the basics of information work. A list is a fact. It can be considered a coincidence. And you can consider it a consequence. In this case, the list will be a storehouse of information. It remains only to collect information on the participants and at least rumors (and better facts) about the process of forming this list.

Quote: Skomorokhov Roman

Who are these people?

A correctly asked question is half the answer. And your question was asked incorrectly, because the answer has long been known - they are nobody and there is no way to call them. The right question is: who is behind these people and what interests of these people are they lobbying for.

Quote: Skomorokhov Roman

A strange feeling is caused by these events. Manifesto .. Say, politics? International norms? Well, as it were already observed, where Kiev saw these norms and requirements.

Everything looks frivolous.

This is not politics, but diplomacy. If it’s simpler, then this is a butterfly on a tailcoat during the presentation of the note of protest, when I really want to press the red button. But you must comply with the conventions and instead of a button, wear a tailcoat, bow tie and hand a note. Although camouflage and a machine gun on the shoulder would have looked more serious. But dumber.

Quote: Skomorokhov Roman

But, apparently, to speculate about the referendum in the Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhya, Odessa, Mykolayiv, Kharkiv and Kherson regions is more important than creating for example an army capable of stopping the war.

You still do not understand the main thing - if someone could create an army there, you would have long ago created it.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: SLX

You flatter yourself - you had a bad understanding before.

Alas, you have a bad upbringing. And there is a great desire to criticize everything and everyone. Good luck, of course, but in your place I would try to win Eurovision. Great chances, IMHO.

[SLX]

Quote: Banshee

Alas, you have a bad education.

And what is this expressed in? Is it that I’m stepping on tender places regularly and sensitively? So these are not the shortcomings of my upbringing, but the costs of their creativity and inability to sculpt quality things.

Here, for example, you, unlike me, were not taught Russian in school. Therefore, it is not for you to tell me about a good upbringing.

Quote: Banshee

And there is a great desire to criticize everything and everyone.

You have already made progress in evaluating my modest works - earlier you blamed me for criticism. But what do you propose to do in the future? To write laudatory odes in the comments for an article of any quality, for labor?

Quote: Banshee

Good luck, of course, but in your place I would try to win Eurovision. Big chances, IMHO

My place does not shine for you for a long time and your funny advice about what you would do in my place is, to put it mildly, inappropriate. Therefore, you better learn how to make high-quality material in its place, since you decided to put it on public display.

[saag]

Quote: SLX

You still do not understand the main thing - if someone could create an army there, you would have long ago created it.

I would put it a little differently: "if someone needed to create an army there ..." further in the text

[SLX]

Quote: saag

I would put it a little differently: "if someone needed to create an army there ..." further in the text

A couple of weeks ago, I thought the same thing. And recently, I still began to incline to the idea that there the need is already breaking through the gates of the whole Ivanovo, but the attempts to create an army regularly end in zilch. I can, of course, be mistaken, because I track the situation only out of the corner of my eye.

But there are a couple of curious litmus papers: there is still no serious counter-intelligence support and protection for the activities of the new administrations, neither in Lugansk, nor in Donetsk, and, most surprisingly, in the howling Slavyansk and Kramatorsk; until now, the new government only pushes the oligarchs with nationalization, not being able to influence their property and being in a full financial ass. So the need seems to be already there, but it seems to be a complete seam with its closure.

[saag]

Quote: SLX

So the need seems to be already there, but it seems to be a complete seam with its closure.

I have the impression that, despite the seriousness of the situation, some of the new leadership have a subconscious thought that everything will resolve, in general, the fear of radical decisions, because life can pay for it

[SLX]

Quote: saag

I have the impression that, despite the seriousness of the situation, some of the new leadership have a subconscious thought that everything will resolve, in general, the fear of radical decisions, because life can pay for it

Yes, the fear of radical decisions is visible. And the fear of blood is visible in almost the entire new leadership - well, they don’t want to stain their bright image with blood spilled on their orders.

But all this does not look like elven hopes that the pravoseki will leave them alone, horrified by the orderly ranks and friendly columns of the new army. More likely, all this new leadership is not supported by professionals - army, law enforcement, intelligence agencies. Perhaps because they have relevant information hu ish hu.

And pravoseki in the near future will simply stop breaking on armored vehicles and change their tactics, moving on to point operations, including targeted, based on already established and feverishly created operational bases in the territory of New Russia.

[Nikich]

But, apparently, to speculate about a referendum in Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov and Kherson regions is more important than creating, for example, an army capable of ending the war. " You probably do not really follow the events, but the army is already being created, and about the negotiations it was said that negotiations will begin only when the ukrokhunt withdraws troops from the republics

[Santor]

I will not minus it; the person has done a great job, but I will allow myself to disagree with some of the author’s positions:
1. Last time I became ill with understanding. Poorly understood what is happening in the south-east of Ukraine. It creates a feeling of a political game, and, if it is more or less clear with the participants of this game, then the goals and the meaning are not very good. - to the point ..... According to my estimates, the global goal of the whole game is to create the axis Paris - Berlin - Moscow - Beijing ... By the way, the perspective is already being drawn, especially after the elections to the new European Parliament and in the light of the elections and the appointment of a new European Commission President and new EU officials. I think a single faction of Euro-skeptics will be created, at least Le Pen has already voiced this. In addition, she, as the leader of the party that won by a margin, yesterday demanded the resignation of the French Prime Minister, which is logical in principle.

In the southeast, a new state is born in agony .... It is the State ... Understand correctly - if you accept these areas in Russia, no one will get anything other than hemorrhoids. Russia I will receive a bunch of sanctions, they will not buy products from the Donbass, different mischief ....

Here is a sample list of what the US and EU will do in this case - read carefully
1. Blocking of all financial accounts of the Russian Federation as an aggressor country, seizure of property of citizens of the Russian Federation, their accounts abroad.
2. Stopping the Mastercard and Visa of working with Russian users, blocking cards and accounts, blocking all banking operations through these payment systems
3. The Microsoft support center team on the self-liquidation of Windows systems (I am sure that there is such a canoe among the updates) and other software in the Russian Federation.
4. Turning off the Internet in the Russian Federation, blocking and liquidating domains - the Internet still belongs to the United States who did not know.
5. Declaration of Ukraine as a country affected by the aggressors, an influx of "volunteers", supplies of instructors, equipment and weapons
6. After Ukraine submits to the international court, it should be arrested in her favor of Russian real estate abroad, including arrest on merchant ships, buildings, offices, and other premises
7. Cancellation of already issued visas and denial of new visas to citizens of the Russian Federation.
8. Mass expulsion from countries supporting Ukraine of Russian citizens - students, workers.
9. Gradual rupture of diplomatic relations with the Russian Federation .... and so on

And all this against the background of the swelling anti-Russian military psychosis in the West. I keep track of what is written in Europe every day - by the way, in Germany a couple of media outlets only mentioned Donetsk. In the first place Obama is on a visit to Afghanistan (not a word that the President refused to meet with him), in second place are girls in Nigeria, in third place is the problem of prostitution .... In the middle of the page is the capture by the pro-Russian separatists of the OSCE’s 18 hours yesterday at 4 (from Denmark, Estonia, Turkey and Switzerland)Choate with us, I have not heard this news

And below and about Donetsk - hmm .... I translate literally "Kremlin accomplices attacked the airport, but the Ukrainian army easily recaptured it. The Russians suffered heavy losses - there were no casualties among the soldiers. About KAMAZ - the driver was killed and that's it ... 40 separatists and 31 were killed. wounded - a reference to the mayor of Donetsk. Further more interesting - the militants who occupied the airport were given an ultimatum, after which several hundred militants were arrested (?????) "- I repeat, I translate from German as they are taught.

Further interview with Poroshenko - "Their goal is to transform Donbass into Somalia, where they will control the force of machine guns. I will never allow this to happen on the territory of Ukraine." He expressed the hope that Russia will help stabilize the east. And so does the whole world will unite against the land pirates who prevent Ukraine from living peacefully and prepare for joining the EU and will send its troops to help the Ukrainian people. and then a 30 second video from Donetsk ... that's all.

[Santor]

2. Having studied the list of people, I did not see people unfamiliar to him - Igor Markov was persecuted even under Yanukovych and, by the way, was imprisoned on a far-fetched pretext, because Yanyk saw him as a growing charismatic leader of the Regions. You just had to at least google it.

3. Plans, of course, not just aggressive. Especially, if we take into account what is happening in the same Zaporizhia and Dnipropetrovsk regions. And there, according to available information, does not happen ANYTHING. Life goes on, people work, get paid, participate in elections. No rallies, no shares. No riots and fights. Peace and quiet. Approximately the same situation in other areas. Naturally, except for Donetsk and Lugansk. - It is like external calm. Do not forget that Kolomoisky and his assistant Boris Filatov are sitting in the Dnieper, calmly giving orders to open fire on people. If you didn’t know in Zaporozhye, Yarosh sits with his own.

4. In Odessa and Kharkov, not everything is so simple. The people are working underground, Odessa is quietly and peacefully cleaned without posters and fanfare .....

5.A manifesto demanding that Kiev withdraw troops and end the war - how is this? Any normal person understands that if something changes, then it’s not for the better. Say politics - and politics and diplomacy .... Tactics of injections from different angles, declaring intentions - if you do not notice, then everything goes strictly within the framework of international law.

6. It doesn't look serious. And all would be nothing, Tsarev had not played enough in his own importance - and God be with him. Let him have fun writing memoranda and other meaningless pieces of paper. But while in Donetsk “deputies” are gathering from “anti-Kiev forces”, including from Slavyansk, surrounded by a triple ring of ATO forces (according to a story from Slavyansk), in the same Slavyansk people die under bullets and shells .

But, apparently, to speculate about the referendum in the Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhya, Odessa, Mykolayiv, Kharkiv and Kherson regions is more important than creating for example an army capable of stopping the war. - The Tsarev is not a politician, he is a direct and honest man ... A politician must be a diplomat - this is not ... And he is not a coward, most importantly .... What is a state? These are authorities based on laws ... What is Laws - and this is just all those pieces of paper .... It is urgent to create the legal and regulatory framework of the new state - and this is not 5 minutes.

Create the same army .... Try to mentally form a company. Where do you get commanders, uniforms, weapons, how will you provide training, supplies, accommodation and so on ... By the way, they will ask about salaries ... Everything is being done, but not everything is being reported .... Are you still not used to Putin’s political tricks ? he never goes on adventures - only a cold and jewelry-calculated calculation.

Thanks again to the author for expressing his own vision of the situation