"The Ukrainian military opened warning fire on Russian military helicopters flying from the Crimea"

The Ukrainian army prevented the anti-aircraft guns from stopping an attempt by the Russian military helicopters Mi-35 to cross the administrative-demarcation line between the Kherson region and the Crimean peninsula, which official Kiev calls “temporarily occupied territory”. Incident reported on site Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

According to the press and information department, an attempt at two Mi-35 helicopters crossing the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation was recorded around 13 hours local time (14: 00 Moscow time). "The servicemen of the observation post of one of the military units of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who perform tasks for their intended purpose in the area of ​​Kutaram Cape in the Kherson region, forced the provocateurs to take the opposite course with warning lights from an anti-aircraft gun," the report says.

Earlier in MFA of Ukraine reported that 24 in May near 4: 00 near the checkpoint "Dibrivka" in the Donetsk region border guards recorded another unauthorized border crossing from Russia: 5 trucks and 2 cars with armed people.

Comments

[andrei332809]

that's bullshit? or was it? if it was, then why did our people allow themselves to be threatened with impunity?

[major071]

Trust the Ukrop warriors more. Most likely, our turntable flew near the border, these warriors fired into the air in fear, after which they clearly reported to the center: "The attack of the treacherous enemy who wanted to seize the territory of the independent was repulsed!" I won’t be surprised if under this case the dead will appear.

Hi Andrew!

[Baikal]

Apparently somehow the globe looks like this sodomite Svidomo.

[Corsair]

Quote: Baikal

Apparently something like this looks like a globe of sodomite svidomita.

For them, this is the whole UNIVERSE ...

[Sterlya]

Quote: Corsair

Quote: Baikal

Apparently something like this looks like a globe of sodomite svidomita.

For them, this is the whole UNIVERSE ...

Ukraine is an artificially created state that has shown its insolvency. therefore, it is subject to dismantling. only time is needed. this process will last a long time, but the result is predetermined

[Riperbahn]

Nice globe. And on the usual - instead of Dill hole? Or the ocean?

[kodxnumx]

They’ve already completely left the reel there, I’m sure if ukrosmi publishes the article that Yarosh landed on the moon! It will look exactly the same.

[aleks700]

I won’t be surprised if Ukrosmi publishes an article that Yarosh stood on the moon!

I won’t be surprised if they say that Yarosh occupied Moscow after a short battle!

[jekasimf]

What the hell is Crimea doing on this globe ?!

[wow]

Nope, not like that! They have a square yellow-black globe.

[SHURAVI]

And it may look like that!

[Zhaman-Urus]

I would not mind looking into Mikolaev)))

[Erg]

Americans have been "sticking out" there for a long time. Late buddy

[Riperbahn]

I blew a hole that instead of our Crimea :)))

[SSR]

Quote: SHURAVI

And it may look like that!

Damn it looks great. If only there were Odessa, Kharkov, Slavyansk holes ... well, how could there be one big hole without Kherson from Kherson to Ishmael (which Suvorov took) and the Crimea)))

[asar]

Or maybe even take it off ?!

[Erg]

And see the true reason for what happened to the country

[O_RUS]

Quote: SHURAVI

And it may look like that!

Your creativity?

[Hunghuz]

Yes, there were Ukrainians in our time) Svidomo Khazar tribe) Maydanyuki are not you .....))) I ask all roms to note that I did not write a word about Eugays and Semites .....)

[gfs84]

Yo my ...
What is their gravity ???
Judging by the scale, 2 times more than in other countries ...

[mamont5]

Quote: major071

Trust the Ukrop warriors more. Most likely, our turntable flew near the border, these warriors fired into the air in fear, after which they clearly reported to the center: "The attack of the treacherous enemy who wanted to seize the territory of the independent was repulsed!"

Most likely, it was.

[Predator]

Heroes are good! They must have put in their pants that they began to bullet. Like in a joke, let's give them a mug. And if we?! And what for us ?!

[Akvadra]

In the neighboring village, the boys were flying a kite, and these "anti-aircraft gunners" did everything. Now Turchinov's orders will be begging ...

[asar]

These "would-be anti-aircraft gunners" once "dropped" a passenger airliner! These are the "fighters"! Their mother !!!

[shuhartred]

Quote: asar

These "would-be anti-aircraft gunners" once "dropped" a passenger airliner! These are the "fighters"! Their mother !!!

And they hit the house with an anti-aircraft missile! Well, at least somewhere.

[andrei332809]

Quote: major071

Hi Andrew!

Hi, Vova I'm sorry that I did not immediately unsubscribe. I was at the cottage, and there the Internet is soooo slow ...

Quote: major071

Trust dill warriors more

yes i don't believe maybe they want to squeeze out some bonus under their tales? Well, at least buy pasta

[Ujin61]

Believe ukroSMD- do not respect yourself. Goebbels in comparison with them is righteous.

[Aleksandr68]

read on YouTube comments on the video where dill turntables scam on their own. The whole point of the squeals of banderlogs is that this is Kiselev’s lie and the Kremlin’s fake.

[120352]

It seems to me, gentlemen, that the word UKRAINE comes from the word UKRAst ...

[persei]

Was Ukraine At the edge ... and now OKRA ina Europe ...

[kush62]

major071
I won’t be surprised if under this case the dead will appear.


And not just the dead. They all have "heroically perished"

[velikoros-xnumx]

Quote: major071

I won’t be surprised if the deceased will appear under this case. fool

Yeah and state awards to heroes

[Sosed_26]

even if it was impossible to respond to the provocations of Bandera, they are just waiting to accuse Russia of disrupting the elections. Our time will come and put Russia into cancer of these freaks and it is just around the corner

[Dmitry Toderes]

It seems to me that they already stand in cancer - the country (if Ukraine can be called a country) in such a sh * ne - there is no support from the people (the people began to grumble, but they are not yet speaking openly), there is no army, the National Guard is killing its own soldiers, robbery and banditry as in the Caucasus in the 90s. Hellish cocktail.

[Roman1970]

The usual chatter of ukrosmi ...

[TRex]

"... with warning fire from an anti-aircraft gun they forced the provocateurs to take a reverse course ..."
Also, the anthem "Ukraine has not yet died" was urgently performed and jumps on the spot were marked ...

[Bashkaus]

that's bullshit? or was it? if it was, then why did our people allow themselves to be threatened with impunity?
Alager com alagero!
There are generally recognized international laws on the sovereignty of states. The presence of the army of one state in the territory of another is prohibited and illegal except in two cases a 1-union agreement between two states. 2-declaration of war by one state, another.
As far as I know, Russia did not officially declare war on the state of Ukraine, although it took Crimea into its structure, with which Ukraine does not agree and which caused an aggravation of the situation! (note, I am not assessing the annexation of Crimea, but talking about bare facts)
Moreover, if the military unit "helicopter" representing the army of the Russian Federation invaded the territory of Ukraine or another state (or disputed territory), then the air defense forces have full legal right to take all measures to expel the aircraft from its airspace, forcibly land on their territory, or open fire to kill.
Thus, there are no claims to the air defense of Ukraine, I think their actions are no less justified than the destruction of the Turkish phantom in the waters of Syria, and taking into account the fact that part of its territories was taken from Ukraine, these actions are all the more understandable in human terms (whether someone likes it or not , but this is a fact).
Further, let's understand that pilots are not stupid people and perfectly understand the rules of airspace and the consequences for military aircraft that penetrate the territory of a sovereign state, this is their profession, this is their duty.
Therefore, I honestly do not understand the indignation of the Russians, guys, you scare me when you become like Americans plunging into a system of double standards.
The Syrians can shoot down an airplane on their territory, is it already impossible for Ukrainians? Russia can turn off gas to Ukraine, Ukraine can’t block the channel with water in the Crimea?
Only Americans think so. If we got involved in this monstrous war with our brotherly people, for which we are all ashamed and disgraced before our ancestors and descendants, we still begin to innocently clap our eyes with the question "why" when the opposing side takes some steps. All that I have listed is NORMAL for a war, so it’s foolish to take offense at the one with whom (I do not say the word "against whom") you are fighting for the fact that he shoots back. Ukraine's retaliatory actions are not good, not bad, they are normal in anticipation of war.
Unfortunately, if we ignore emotions, then this is so "

[Turkir]

Oil oil?
What kind of "systems of double standards" are we sinking into?
What are you writing about? Here the conversation is about the lies of the Ukrainian media.
Why are you telling us something, so verbose, explain and teach when you yourself do not understand what is at stake.
You write that you do not understand the "indignation of the Russians," and you yourself are who you think you are?
Do you live in Moscow? Why are you indignant yourself and, most importantly, why?
Just because the Russians cannot be indignant until you give us permission?

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: Bashkaus

Alager com alagero!

What's that like? The French seem to spell it differently: "A la guerre comme a la guerre!"

Quote: Bashkaus

Is it possible for Russia to turn off gas to Ukraine, is it impossible for Ukraine to block the channel with water to Crimea?

Excuse me, sir ... Bashkaus? Gas to "Nezalezhnaya" (unpaid!) Has already been turned off by Russia? (25.05.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX)? Then give a link to the date. And how to shut off the already PAID water?

Quote: Bashkaus

Therefore I honestly gohowling I do not understand

So we do not understand how to understand your above-mentioned argumentation now?

Quote: Bashkaus

If we got caught up in this monsterьa new war with our brotherly people, for which we all feel shame and disgraceреde our

It's a shame that you got involved ...

[balyaba]

waiting war, you can’t stop awkward ...

[KazaK Bo]

Alager com alagero!

Sorry, but it will be correct = A la gerre comme a la gerre = ... which means "in war as in war!" ... and in Latin - a different transcription ...

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Bashkaus

All I have listed is NORMAL for war,

If you consider this a war, then it's okay to gouge this point, which threatens helicopters, because firing at them is hostile action

[svp67]

Quote: Bashkaus

Thus, there are no claims to Ukrainian air defense,

That is, if you follow your logic, in response to the RFBATTLE HELICOPTER SHOOTING, on the positions of the air defense systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, fire would be opened to kill, since any shelling of military equipment, at least "casus bell", and a military conflict between Ukraine and the Russian Federation would begin - this is normal, SO AND NECESSARY. Great stupidity you say. There are CLAIMS to the air defense of Ukraine ...

[Cristall]

Quote: Bashkaus

Therefore, I honestly do not understand the indignation of the Russians, guys, you scare me when you become like Americans plunging into a system of double standards.

I thought so - they don’t like such comments here. They just stick in a minus and drive a blizzard.
Legally, the Ukrainian army can shell any object on the territory of Crimea and in the sea waters of Ukraine (this is also Crimea) since Ukraine is still a state with Crimea (it does not matter that it is de facto the Russian Federation, international recognition is important but it is still on the side of Ukraine and de jure aggression such an attack cannot be considered)
It's another matter if the law of force and response enters, such an action will provoke a war (in the case of the Russians' response), but legally, the Ukrainian military can and must fire, sink, destroy any military presence in Crimea (with the exception of the bases prescribed in the terms of the agreement)
In general, there are so many legal subtleties that if then porridge had not been brewed in Kiev behind the division of portfolios, by the incomprehensible actions of law enforcement and military structures, there would have been a war in Crimea. Natural.
The Ukrainian military could disrupt the referendum (and the law would be on their side).
Even after the referendum, the Ukrainian army could do something ... but everything rests on the war. A war with our own, mostly not even with the Russian army, but with their former Crimeans. I think this did not go. We are grateful to the Ukrainian army for not shooting at our own people who have ceased to be theirs.
And now the situation is when the Ukrainians are legally right, de facto a threat to the military object of the "friendly state"
I don’t even know, there are similar cases in the world (China and Taiwan, for example) and Ukraine cannot recognize the loss of Crimea and does not recognize. Another thing is where this will lead.
Too much is at stake, and if not for the weakness and peacefulness of the Ukrainians, how would it all end.
Kiev had a chance to rally a large part of the people after the Crimean events, people even in Odessa were against such a turn and were inclined to such a struggle, but the struggle between themselves between the west and east of Ukraine itself for a long time hammered the cross on the Crimean problem.
By the way, our drivers evacuating the transport of our company from the Crimea returned, they say yes, order, quietly calm, Russian flags. Not a match for the current mess in our country.
Wait Ukraine needs to get together to unite, to solve internal problems. Although sponsors may need it, they will then be forced or pushed to solve the Crimean problem through provocations and direct conflict.

[sv68]

crystal - yes, no one stupidly minuses, but on the contrary minuses the stupid ones who write according to the prince, just to write and there is no need to justify the scribble, so it will trample. We proceed from the fact that Crimea is legally and realistically Russian land, try to refute

[asar]

I agree completely with sv68 !!! BOTH HISTORICALLY, AND BEGINNING, CRIMEA NEVER (!!!) IS THE TERRITORY OF UKRAINE !!! NEVER!!! (believe it as a historian!)! If in doubt, read at least V. Pikulya "favorite" for a start! Since more serious, "academic" literature, it will be difficult for you to understand, and it looks like it "sickened" you! And it became the territory of dill only "thanks to a misunderstanding", about which the son of N. Khrushchev has already explained more than once - in 1954 canals were built between the Crimea and the Ukrainian SSR! And N. Khrushchev decided that the project managers should be under the same jurisdiction! Well, where is the dill ?! And she was not even "near" !!! And why hysteria ?!

[Lieutenant colonel]

WHAT ABOUT THE SAFETY DETERMINATION OF THE POPULATION IN WHAT TERRITORY YOU DIDN'T PROBABLY HEAR? THEREFORE, GLORY TO THE "PEACE-LOVING" UKRANIAN ARMY OF KRICHITI IN LUGANSK, DNEPROPETROVSK, ETC. Crimea has never been Ukrainian. NEVER. And de jure, the recognition of any territory is necessary for the INDEPENDENCE of this territory and its definition as a subject of international law. The question of the referendum in Crimea was not like secession from Ukraine and gaining independence. And it stood somewhat differently - remember? And the use of weapons against aircraft located over its territory or in the waters is an act of aggression by a neighboring state. Crimea - a subject of the Russian Federation, or do you not consider the Russian Federation a subject of international law? Then I am very sorry for you (I mean the Ukrainian authorities and people who think the same way as you. And your military SHORTS - this is me as a vederan of military operations and a reserve officer of the RF Armed Forces, I say, SHORTS and TRAITORS)

[Vadivak]

Quote: Reserve lieutenant colonel

Crimea has never been Ukrainian. NEVER. And de jure, the recognition of any territory is necessary for the INDEPENDENCE of this territory

Much more incorrect was how Nikita Khrushchev acted in his time when, without asking neither the people of Ukraine nor the people of Crimea, he took and simply gave it to Ukraine. And there was no referendum, no polls, nothing. So if to compare from this point of view, now everything has happened much more correctly. People were asked - they answered.


Steven Seagal

[massad1]

Yes figs with him with Khrushchev, we in 91st EBN passed for a bottle of vodka. Who cares, there are probably a lot of interviews on the Internet by Kravchuk, where he tells how Borya swelled and the Crimea fell off his shoulder like a sable fur coat

[Erg]

The main problem of Ukraine is that it actually does not exist. The main features of the state are missing. Therefore, to be in its composition is "to be no where". Excuse me, but who does not take this "state" seriously. Ukraine is a testing ground for the West, where political technologies are tested. The people are, of course, very sorry

[asar]

No, "is where"! The address is known - in BOLSHOY ZH.OP.E !!!

[svp67]

Quote: Cristall

I thought so - they don't like such comments here.

Anyone can happen. They do not like outright stupidity and enmity.

Quote: Cristall

Legally, the Ukrainian army can fire on any object on the territory of Crimea and in the sea waters of Ukraine (this is also Crimea), since Ukraine is still a state with Crimea

The issue is already controversial ... since she has already admitted that she is not able to exercise her administrative control there.

Quote: Cristall

The Ukrainian military could disrupt the referendum (and the law would be on their side).

I would have seen how they would have succeeded ... No, they could not, and they knew it PERFECTLY. Therefore, they did not rock the boat.

Quote: Cristall

War with our own, mostly not even with the Russian army, but with their former Crimeans

Already, I shed a tear ... how noble, why can they in the East. Where has their nobility gone?

Maybe everything is simpler, when trying to carry out a military action against Crimea, your military will receive a very ADEQUATE answer, but in the East this is not to be expected now, you can shoot ... at your own, though first calling them separatists, terrorists or "colarads". ..Don't lie to yourself

Quote: Cristall

Although sponsors may need this, after all, then they will force or push to solve the Crimean problem through provocations and direct conflict.

Well, well, don't overstrain ...

[SSR]

[/ Quote]
Well, well, don't overstrain ... [/ quote]
Og, everyone was just waiting for your words, now they will understand how they were wrong and fall to their knees in front of Putin, only as it turns out Putin is smarter and does not start an open war against the Kiev junta because he perfectly understands that this whole cat fuss was aimed at Russia and he is making a lot of efforts to ensure that Europids @ races and African Americans have no more reason to unleash an outright war

[laogun]

If someone really served in the army in 1980-2014, they understand that introducing tanks is ridiculous. To hit the accumulation of their equipment, and they, they hold it all together - they are afraid that they will steal and sell. So, there are some means that will burn all their iron without the intervention of the infantry, all helicopter scooters are also destroyed remotely. After that, Strelkov will clean them up specifically.

[laogun]

For Crimea, they will immediately lose Kyyov - within 3-5 days, like rodents their ass

[Dmitry Toderes]

Let them just poke their attention - only the forces of Russia in Crimea, which is the territory of Russia (and we didn't care about the recognition / non-recognition of Washington - what kind of world community are we talking about?) Will crush the army of Ukraine. In the Ukrainian army, there is only one meat - jerks without body armor and helmets (for 58 people, 4 armor each). Don't want to be with Russia? demolishing Soviet monuments? - give back all the territories that belonged to the USSR. Ukraine can be Ukrainian, Russian, but it will never be fascist. Ungrateful pigs also dare to be indignant. Crimea is Russian! We have already boiled over 23 years from the mockery of your authorities over Russians and over Russian culture in Crimea. They themselves doused everything Russian there with shit and still wonder why the Crimeans immediately returned home to Russia as soon as the opportunity presented itself. Crimea is forever a part of Russia-bite your elbows with envy svidomye.

[st.lt]

Have you personally seen the bullying, or did the OBS agency report?

[Cynic]

Quote: st.lt

Have you personally seen the bullying, or did the OBS agency report?

Don't know how to use a search engine or from places where there is no network, TV, radio and newspapers?

[laogun]

We saw how you personally, in spite of the public, rudely and in a perverted manner, made bullying. Witnesses have already testified. Wait for the apparition to Nyash-Myash.

[Horse]

Well, they probably kissed everyone in the ass, look at Odessa, at Mariupol - there a Ukrainian military with flowers and ice cream was driving around the city

[Erg]

Here, damn it, and what should I say now?

[Cynic]

Quote: Erg

Darn

The same now I am trying to remember who tends to answer a question with a question!
While on suspicion _ Hard of hearing. But this is not the case!

[Billy Bones]

Quote: Cristall

Even after the referendum, the Ukrainian army could do something ... but everything depends on the war. A war with our own, mostly not even with the Russian army, but with their former Crimeans. I don't think they went for it.

Interesting. In Donetsk and Lugansk they went, but in Crimea they were shy.

[balyaba]

Peacefulness of Ukrainians Oh ja, ja! Let’s fancy

[SSR]

Kristal and Bashkaus,))))) it is not for nothing that there is a saying "to tell the truth - to lose friends" but there is another - "nass will tell them in their eyes - God's dew", do not pay attention to these minuses, ordinary shkololo mold without even thinking.

[gispanec]

Quote from S.S.R.

"to tell the truth - to lose friends" but there is another - "nass will tell them in their eyes - God's dew"

Why are you trolling? ... where is the truth? ... gas ?? and water ?? in the same row? ... are you a nazik ...

[SSR]

Quote: gispanec

Quote from S.S.R.

"to tell the truth - to lose friends" but there is another - "nass will tell them in their eyes - God's dew"

Why are you trolling? ... where is the truth? ... gas ?? and water ?? in the same row? ... are you a nazik ...

)))) Why did you shave off your mustache? )))))

[SSR]

Quote: gispanec

Quote from S.S.R.

"to tell the truth - to lose friends" but there is another - "nass will tell them in their eyes - God's dew"

Why are you trolling? ... where is the truth? ... gas ?? and water ?? in the same row? ... are you a nazik ...

That I was kind today, but after rereading I want to ask - are you a fool? Or the sister of a professor from Israel who, having lost her virginity through stupidity, teaches others, and with a different opinion of the loss, she immediately blacklists it.
In general, such herd thick-boned, graze on the censor.ua.
Ps
It is difficult for the rams to explain why in the same UN Russia is in the minority, to explain that the Saxons there hold everyone by the gills and dance? Chewing on obvious things? Sorry, but wasting time on every assaholic is a loud cracker who does not understand what he is talking about at all. Sorry

[alex_valent]

Kristal and Bashkaus,))))) It is not for nothing that there is a saying "to tell the truth - to lose friends" but there is another one - "nass will tell them in their eyes - God's dew", do not pay attention to these minuses, ordinary shkololo mold without even thinking. -Do not forget on the flag on the avatar a black, wide stripe, there is not enough of it there, AND PLEASE PLEASE TO US IN SLAVIANSK, YOU CAN AND EYES WILL OPEN WIDER, LOOK AT THE WORLD NORMALLY,

[Pilat2009]

Quote from S.S.R.

do not pay attention to these minuses,

Here, at least a minus is molded, but in other places they are banned and do not allow registration. And where is democracy?

[SSR]

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote from S.S.R.

do not pay attention to these minuses,

Here, at least a minus is molded, but in other places they are banned and do not allow registration. And where is democracy?

Yes, that's not the point))) but the fact that these loud-sounding 1. They themselves are not under arms 2. They think that our soldiers will die, but our honor will not screw up 3. This plankton does not care what the Russian Federation has to fight with, these cheers even do not suspect that the Russian Federation doing its business (for especially stupid) complies with international norms and rules! Because of that, they gnaw the bars of the lattice in fury. And the dolbodyatlam nassa in the eyes and according to Vysotsky - and the one who shouted "from the branches" is to blame - a big giraffe! He knows better))))
Ps
I am not going to explain stupid things to everyone and everything with a device, I am not going to explain stupid things, but smart ones already know what is on what.
Politics is not done with white gloves.

[Cristall]

Quote from S.S.R.

Crystal and Bashkaus,))))) it is not for nothing that there is a saying "to tell the truth - to lose friends" but there is another one - "nass will tell them in their eyes - God's dew", do not pay attention to these minuses, ordinary shkololo mold without even thinking

if you chase the pluses, you just have to agree with the line of the VO party (Russia is doing everything right, Ukraine is nobody, all the goats are fascists, everybody's worth, and so on)
What I wrote that even here many Ukrainians were averted (the same Akim, who is actually persecuted here only for his opinion) behavior - there are only two opinions, one wrong and the other mine. And very rarely there are brilliant comments, compromise, sometimes harsh - but they are not particularly seen at close range. The main thing here is hurray to shout, and there at least the grass does not grow.
Yes Crimea is the Russian Federation. In my opinion, even at the beginning of the transition, I wished him luck and non-participation in the Ukrainian mess. I am writing only on the merits, that legally HZ who will disassemble the rights or will be guilty if the conflict starts because of the same turntable. Most likely it will be on the principle of strength, and there will also be HZ what will happen.
I just want to convey to the Russians that they do not like you for the Crimea now, all the hysteria would be extinguished, if not the Crimea. And then the mind cannot be ordered to the heart. The mind says one thing and the heart another --- so with the Crimea.
They returned Crimea, lost Ukraine. Not in the plan of Kiev, but in the minds of those who wait a minute give in to propaganda, zombies on the basis of annexation ..
Everything seems to you that everything is correct and true. Well, maybe for you it is all true. This is not the way to think on this side of the border. For example, I understand everything, I immediately wished the Crimea success, but immediately reared up when the comments of ridicule rushed, they say they won, the Ukrainians say no warriors have given everything we are polite little people, we are gods ... Excuse all this from the category "Have fun, brave grew?"
Is the merit of "little green men" 100%? Did they decide to shoot or not shoot? The Ukrainians decided - they decided not to shoot. They did not shoot, they gave it away peacefully. And now we pay the indemnity. And wait, all of you are having fun - they say we have both Crimea and Ukraine ... but now try to convey to every Ukrainian - that he will pay twice for the loss of Crimea! Or even triple ...
I even understand that you will find a bunch of arguments (the Kiev power, the Maidan coup), they say you yourself are so bad all by yourself ...
Let us resolve the consequences of everything! Not for you ... we are here dying and fighting, burning and burning in cities, shooting civilians and throwing ourselves under the wheels of the military ..
Let us explain to us that we are miserable pissed away Crimea and you politely "captured" it

[starik80]

Ukraine ballast period.
Dill is easy to buy for "green papers". The Americans proved it. Like a joke ^
Girl, will you give yourself to me for $ 5 billion?
- Yes of course.
And for $ 100.
-Yes, why do you think me.
We have already understood who you are. The issue of price.

PS does not apply to all dill, there are UKRAINIANS.

[Michael_59]

Ukraideology is the propaganda of dementia and shamelessness.

[Cynic]

Quote: Cristall

Let us resolve the consequences of everything! Not for you ... we are here dying and fighting, burning and burning in cities, shooting civilians and throwing ourselves under the wheels of the military ..

What has been brewed, then whip.

Quote: Cristall

Let's explain to us that

Who are we to? Are you from the imperial family?

Quote: Cristall

we poorly pissed away the Crimea and you politely "captured"

Is not it so ?
Promidanil state, and now looking for the extreme?
You better think about why in successful regions of Ukraine drew a voter turnout of about 60%.
Not drawn?
For God's sake, only then is the situation even worse!
There is a civil war in the state, and only half of the population is in the elections!
So everything is ahead and it is not the best thought.

[starik80]

Haha this is straight about the Ukrop media.
I watched them a couple of times, television with technologies from the 90s. They cannot submit a picture normally.

[saigon]

Here is the current uzho shoot Ukrainian air defense best not necessary, otherwise again the wrong one who will be shot down. Break up the referendum, they could and wanted bah and who bah ima allowed this

[saigon]

Here is the current uzho shoot Ukrainian air defense best not necessary, otherwise again the wrong one who will be shot down. Break up the referendum, they could and wanted bah and who bah ima allowed this

[asar]

Another "dashed off"! How many of you guys! There is no time to "unsubscribe" to everyone! Enough! Looks like you can't all be remade! Time "heals", however !!!

[Sailor Zheleznyak]

Legally, the Ukrainian army can shell any object on the territory of Crimea and in the sea waters of Ukraine (this is also Crimea) since Ukraine is still a state with Crimea (it does not matter that it is de facto the Russian Federation, international recognition is important but it is still on the side of Ukraine and de jure aggression such an attack cannot be considered)

Crimea is de jure and de facto-territory of the Russian Federation. So ours could make a combat turn and leave the smoking pits from the valiant Ukrainians. anti-aircraft gunners. Or maybe they simply did not expect such a dirty trick and flew without a BC

[st.lt]

It was about the Kherson region, Crimea, what has to do with it?

[Cynic]

Quote: st.lt

It was about the Kherson region, Crimea, what has to do with it?

You are striving for yourself personally _

ours could make a combat turn and leave smoking pits from ...

Well, why interfere with relieving nervous tension in anticipation of the development of events in Ukraine?
Here are the elections _ Nothing works in the CEC, but already three days ago they were recognized as valid!

[Marconi41]

And I will support the Crystal. Not at all because I completely agree, but for the correct argumentation. Imagine that the Japanese suddenly take back their former possessions from us by force. After all, 4 islands in the south of the Kuriles have never belonged to Russia. How would we react to this ?! They would definitely get involved in a fight, including on Japanese territory (bases of ships, the Armed Forces, etc.). So Kristall's opinion is quite logical and correct.
And Crimea ... Crimea is one hell of OUR!

[Cynic]

Quote: Marconi41

Imagine that the Japanese suddenly

Suddenly it only happens ...
Never, nothing happens suddenly!
And at the level of interstate relations ...

randomness is a well-prepared pattern.

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote: Marconi41

And I will support the Crystal. Not at all because I completely agree, but for the correct argumentation. Imagine that the Japanese suddenly take back their former possessions from us by force. After all, 4 islands in the south of the Kuriles have never belonged to Russia. How would we react to this ?! They would definitely get involved in a fight, including on Japanese territory (bases of ships, the Armed Forces, etc.). So Kristall's opinion is quite logical and correct.
And Crimea ... Crimea is one hell of OUR!

Learn history !!! When our seafarers-discoverers sailed to Hokkaido, only Ainu lived there, and there were no Japanese people, so the Kuril ridge did not belong to them either.

[Proud.]

Quote: Marconi41

After all, 4 islands in the south of the Kuriles have never belonged to Russia

Whom do you serve, Marconi-san? Why is it so categorically? It is not good to support "Japanese partners". I quote: "... The end of the 1633th century - The territory of Japan itself extends to the north no further than the middle of the island of Hokkaido (thus, the islands could not belong to Japan This fact is also acknowledged by Japanese historians: "Ezo (as all the" northern territories "were called, including the northern half of Hokkaido) in the 1636th century and even in the first half of the 1639th was not considered a component of the Japanese Empire. In those days, the Japanese government viewed the events in Ezo as something that happened outside its borders. Most historians, scholars and statesmen considered Ezo a foreign state "(Kuno Yoshi). Meanwhile, the third shogun Iemitsu, by decrees of 1786, 1939 and 1768, under the threat of death, forbade the Japanese to leave their homeland, and also to build large ships for long voyages. are unfounded claims of the Japanese for the "informal" development of the so-called "Northern Territories" - the individual merchants and industrialists who visited them were officially criminals subject to the death penalty ... "Further:" ... 1786 - The first Japanese expedition to survey of the southern Kuril Islands under the leadership of Mogami Tokunai, during which it was established that "the Russians created their settlements on Urup, Iturup and other Kuril Islands" (Kondo Morishige). Contrary to modern Japanese fabrications, the historian who published his book in XNUMX did not single out Iturup from other Kuril Islands: "In XNUMX, the Russians erected pillars on the South Kuril Islands, carved the name" Kuril Islands "on them, became and collect yasak, gave the Ainu guns, gunpowder, clothes, christened and taught to speak Russian. "(Kondo Morishige). "In XNUMX the Russians already visited Iturup and turned it into their base" (Numada Ichiro) ... "This is Japan, OUR islands NEVER belonged!

[SSR]

Quote: Marconi41

And I will support the Crystal. Not at all because I completely agree, but for the correct argumentation. Imagine that the Japanese suddenly take back their former possessions from us by force. After all, 4 islands in the south of the Kuriles have never belonged to Russia. How would we react to this ?! They would definitely get involved in a fight, including on Japanese territory (bases of ships, the Armed Forces, etc.). So Kristall's opinion is quite logical and correct.
And Crimea ... Crimea is one hell of OUR!

Quarrels but Crimea, Odessa is ours, and unlike the Kuriles, here people speak Russian, 2. Ukraine is an artificial state. 3. All this is a blow to the Slavs from the Saxons and Zionists.
Donbass and so on thanks to Lenin and KO, zapadenschina thanks to Stalin, Crimea "thanks" to Khrushch. I
Comparison of the Crimea and the Kuriles is comparable only at the level of letters, and here and there on K. Iiii everything.))))

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote: Cristall

The Ukrainian military could disrupt the referendum (and the law would be on their side).
Even after the referendum, the Ukrainian army could do something ... but everything rests on the war. A war with our own, mostly not even with the Russian army, but with their former Crimeans. I think this did not go. We are grateful to the Ukrainian army for not shooting at our own people who have ceased to be theirs.

But this nevertheless does not prevent them from shooting at their own people in the Donbass and in Lugansk!

Too much is at stake, and if not for the weakness and peacefulness of the Ukrainians, how would it all end.

Not one peace-loving people does not carry out punitive actions against their people!
And what about your angry tirades and worries about the ATO in the DPR and LPR?
Here, many perceived you as worried about the DPR and LPR. There is only one conclusion - you are a LIAR !!!

[starik80]

The key word would be, would, would. We all saw how the planes "flew away" from Belbek.
Yes, yes, "to get together to unite, to solve internal problems," because some compatriots have already got over the hill, though not entirely ... an interesting state of Ukraine, an interesting attitude towards its citizens. People are tired of the Maidan and the Maidanutye, who have been sharing power for 10 years.
It was for this reason that no one fired.

[ermolai]

and one member of the UN said that dill has no borders with the Russian Federation, OFFICIALLY REGISTERED IN THE UN, which means the Russian Federation wherever wants there and flies on dill. and on tanks biathlon conducts, in the Russian Federation eats everything and oil and gas and the legitimate president of dill,

[sv68]

bashkaus-take a thermometer and let the temperature-it looks like it will be very high-other explanation to the delirium written by you, I don't know

[Erg]

Mixed everything in a bunch, under changing concepts. I don’t want to argue, a lot of writing will come out. I didn’t set a minus - and so everything is red-red

[yehat]

you wrote so many letters, but do you know how it really was?
or do you think that the bravura report from the post is true?
because the spontaneous attempt of turntables to enter the territory is nonsense!

[sanek0207]

Here it is written cleverly, and then what should Russia do if constantly some seven-month NATO members, frightened Ukrainians, make "inspection" flights over the territory of Russia !? There is only one way out, to shoot down all the blocky shit that flies!

[sanek0207]

Here it is written cleverly, and then what should Russia do if constantly some seven-month NATO members, frightened Ukrainians, make "inspection" flights over the territory of Russia !? There is only one way out, to shoot down all the blocky shit that flies!

[aleks_29296]

Moreover, if the military unit "helicopter" representing the army of the Russian Federation invaded the territory of Ukraine or another state (or disputed territory), then the air defense forces have full legal right to take all measures to expel the aircraft from its airspace, forcibly land on their territory, or open fire to kill.

Was there a boy?

Is it possible for Russia to turn off gas to Ukraine, is it impossible for Ukraine to block the channel with water to Crimea?

Russia has not turned off gas and continues to supply gas to Ukraine, and Ukraine does not pay for these supplies and, apparently, is not going to pay, unlike the situation with water for Crimea, where Russia is ready to pay, but the proud ukropatriots do not even want to listen.

[asar]

I repeat, a civilian plane flying from Israel to Novosibirsk on October 4, 2001 was shot down (!!!) by Ukrainian air defense! A whole bunch of passengers died! It turned out by mistake! "Normal" is such an ERROR !!! with DEATH OF PEOPLE! This is normal"? From your point of view, this is normal, although the Tu-154 flew along a "dedicated corridor"! Apparently, the dill "wanted to practice" on a "big goal" such as a "bomber"! "Doing your exercise" !!! Their mother !!! And you minus, dear !!! and minus me, on health - the truth is on my side !!!

[Erg]

The Ukrainian military behaved like naughty boys, did not admit what they did. However, even now they have little male ...

[gispanec]

Quote: Bashkaus

Is it possible for Russia to turn off gas to Ukraine, is it impossible for Ukraine to block the channel with water to Crimea?

Forgive me, but you seem to be a zombie ... if you put it on the same line .... you have to pay for gas on time, there are no gas and there is no gas, it's like your credit car, delay the payment and immediately sanction a fine and confiscation ... and you don’t trumpet about the violation of your rights ... this is one, and two is the shutdown (shutoff of water) to the Crimea ... they don’t have such rights ... since the Dnieper also flows at the source of the Russian Federation. ... originally, the Dnieper originates from us .... to us too to shut off the water to them? ... so only dull-headed with Nazi views argue ....

[samuil60]

Are you talking about war? Who is fighting with your (now, apparently, already with YOUR) Ukraine? Do you think this is a war? In our village, the men will fight - there will be more consequences. Your “valiant” army, which your equally “valiant” leaders have been tearing apart for twenty years, is unable to cope even with a handful of militias fighting against it in the Donbass. And after all, the overwhelming majority of you are fighting, Ukrainian guys, whom your crazy propaganda stubbornly calls Russian mercenaries. If the mercenaries really fought, the battles would also go on near Kiev, and you would not have a trace of any elections. You need to pray to Putin that he has enough intelligence and tact not to enter the war, that thousands of lives of Ukrainian and Russian guys are saved. And you are puffing up your cheeks in your Ukraine. You have no army, and we have no one to fight at Ukpain. Like that ...

[Cynic]

"Servicemen of the observation post of one of the military units of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which perform tasks as intended in the area of ​​Cape Kutaram in the Kherson region, forced the provocateurs to take a reverse course with warning fire from an anti-aircraft gun."

Having watched the video, do you believe that?
So why try to read morality?
Let the forum users reprimand!
Yes _

Quote: Bashkaus

international laws on the sovereignty of states

Where are you now there is a sovereign state?

[Ribatsek]

The Arabat Strelka, the establishment of control over part of the territory of Crimea, specifically over the gas pumping station, which the Banderlog promised to blow up, and near Kherson, another provocation of the Ukrovs, in order to once again accuse Russia of all serious problems.

[st.lt]

You try in vain, the only correct opinion, only what is expressed by the ruling party. Persons who have an opinion that does not coincide with the official line are fascists, Nazis, Bandera, etc.

[Cynic]

Quote: st.lt

what is expressed by the ruling party.

Are you talking about the Communist Party?
Or how ?

[laogun]

Bashkaus, you have such a bashtana in your head that now I will explain to you on my fingers:
1. The collapse of the USSR in 1991 was illegal on the part of all constitutions.
2. Crimea was annexed to the outskirts also illegally for the same illegal actions.
3. Residents of Crimea voted 96% for secession from the Okrug.
4. What else do you want, you don't understand the gossamer head here?
5. Whoever does not understand - we will come and explain it politely and kindly.

[wandlitz]

Quote: Bashkaus

Russia can turn off gas to Ukraine,

I don’t remember what Russia turned off the gas. Even farmers from a neighboring country, still not paying for gas, still use it ... But in Russia, in some areas, for a three-month non-payment, gas is turned off ...

[Kuznetsov]

I completely agree with your comment. And the minuses to your comment only reflect the unwillingness to objectively assess the situation. In their collective fantasies, they are clearly more comfortable.

Being a patriot of Ukraine (Bendera, fascist, Nazi and simply maydanuty) I cannot bear my well-deserved (!!!) negative attitude towards the state of the Russian Federation headed by Putin to the citizens of Russia. the only thing that annoys me is the unwillingness to objectively assess the situation on the part of the BROTHERN (I was not taught otherwise to treat the Russian people) people.

Western Ukraine. Village. The son enters the hut and takes a gun from the nail. The father asks:
- Sinku ti kudi?
- I’m going to build a ....
- Why do you stink ?!
- And what for me?! ...

The universal anecdote can be substituted for the Russian zapadents, instead of Moscow ... for Bendera.

[KazaK Bo]

If so, why did our people allow themselves to be threatened with impunity?

Sharing your point of view ... I would like to note - REALLY THEY ARE SO STUPID, THAT DO NOT WANT TO LEARN FROM THE MISTAKES OF OTHERS ... WHAT AGAIN STEP ON RAKE !?
After all, the WHOLE WORLD has already deeply BELIEVED that it IS IMPOSSIBLE to WAKE AND ANGRY THE BEAR!
Angry, and then will suck at this bear paw and ....!
AND COMPLAIN TO THE WHOLE WORLD - SAVE !!!
Bear must be respected and sympathetic to his affairs!
It is understandable ... you need to work off the money of the AMers, allocated to weaken RUSSIA ... but you need to think a little with your head!

[WKS]

Quote: andrei332809

If so, why did our people allow themselves to be threatened with impunity?

In Uropia, they are now lying everything from members of the junta to a sergeant Nazi. But why publish this lie here?

[Larusik]

Considering that in Kiev, instead of the cabinet of the government, there is a full chamber of mental inadequacies, criminals, prostitutes, this is more nonsense. It is necessary to support the myth of bloodthirsty Russia, of the war unleashed by it against democratic Dill.

[Alex 241]

Quote: andrei332809

that's bullshit? or was it?

[Sterlya]

Believe these crazy people? Clowns made laugh

[Hunghuz]

Helicopters could also threaten the ships of the United States Navy ......))) The last sailors will flee and who will help Stepan Bandera ???

[dmitrich]

Quote: andrei332809

that's bullshit? or was it? if it was, then why did our people allow themselves to be threatened with impunity?

this is nonsense, the dream of idiots.

[ambiorix]

Svidomity in the end sprouted

[Alexey N]

But the United States would have made this incident a pretext for starting a war.

Or what else do you need to create a junta ???

[Andrey Yuryevich]

information from an enemy source! We are waiting for the official OUR!

[mamont5]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

information from an enemy source! We are waiting for the official OUR!

Will she be. Why react to the squeak of all sorts of mice. We have our own business and more important. I read it today, there is something to be proud of! Better than any advertisement. And they also say: "Why is this" tank biathlon "and" aviadarts "? Only burn fuel in vain." Now we see that it is not in vain.
"Every third visitor to the Aviadarts-2014 international air training competition at the Pogonovo training ground has expressed a desire to continue serving in the Russian Armed Forces under a contract," Ruslan Bayramgulov, the head of the mobile selection point of the Western Military District in the Voronezh Region, told reporters on Saturday.
"More than 170 people applied with a desire to serve on a contract basis, of which more than 50 passed the initial stage of selection in the form of testing for vocational guidance," Bayramgulov said. According to him, more than 30 people have written applications, and they will have further stages of verification. "
http://warfiles.ru/show-57870-bolee-170-chelovek-zahoteli-sluzhit-v-vs-rf-posle-
aviadartsa.html

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: mamont5

Will she be. Why react to the squeak of all sorts of mice.

there is nothing to object ...

[Vadim12]

Other interesting: Temporarily occupied territory of Crimea. Optimists, however!

[0255]

So America and the EU are with them, which will help them 100%, as they think.

[kotvov]

Of course they will help, finish what is not yet finished. They will be driven into debt and will be sentenced: now you have democracy.

[Penzyac]

Quote: Vadim12

Other interesting: Temporarily occupied territory of Crimea. Optimists, however!

All Ukraine (except Crimea) is a temporarily occupied territory of Russia. And they are collaborators.

[ken]

Most likely an ordinary chatter. Well, what else can the khuntar's power draw attention to !!!

[kot28.ru]

Three morons is power !!!!!

[0255]

Three morons will ruin the country, get fat on this, and the people suffer, even those who supported these Sad ...

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: kot28.ru

Three morons is power

They had strength when their mother wore it.

[sso-xnumx]

Unfortunately - destructive!

[chelovektapok]

Ukrogebbels propaganda. We must rejoice at at least some kind of "victory" over Russia in the election of the second head. Yes, and 30 ser. need to work out.

[Children BuryKonya]

Yeah, the border is locked, only there are no doors.

[kartalovkolya]

No, well, youuuuy! The helicopters were driven away, but several trucks with "armed men" were not able to. But if everything were so, then there would be no one to report the incident, but in general what they smoked? If they smoked Marivanna, they should have seen blue camels, and for helicopters, I don't know grass with such an effect!

[0255]

But how will Bandera be proud of this "crushing historic victory over m ... skals"

[Penzyac]

Quote: kartalovkolya

No, well, youuuuuy! ... what did they smoke? If they smoked Marivanna, they should have seen blue camels, and for helicopters, I don't know grass with such an effect!

What can they smoke besides their own dried shit?
Money is needed for cigarettes, but self-garden must be grown ...

[Evgeniy.]

We found someone to listen to, the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine .... They fired at some cloud drunk, they’ve brought all the inadequates and law-abductors to the border with Russia, they’re either under drugs or drunk

[ziqzaq]

Quote: Evgenij.

They fired at some cloud drunk,

Yeah, I remember Ukrainian pvoshniki shot down a civilian plane during an exercise ... Like monkeys with a grenade .......

[Penzyac]

Quote: Evgenij.

We found someone to listen to, the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine .... They fired at some cloud drunk, they’ve brought all the inadequates and law-abductors to the border with Russia, they’re either under drugs or drunk

The usual alcoholic (or narcotic) psychosis, that is, delirium tremens. In this condition, patients and can not see this (he saw such a patient at the time of the attack, he barely calmed him, just tin).

[Shadow1]

In the morning they jump and chants shout, then they jump and they elect the president, and they jump to free the Crimea, their brains turned into jelly from constant jumping!

[Dedjara]

It's time to fly a little on the Rooks.

[Barakuda]

Anti-aircraft guns are cool. Although it's a little hard to believe .. On MI-35 you will not open your mouth too much.

[0255]

Quote: Barracuda

Anti-aircraft guns are cool. Although it's a little hard to believe .. On MI-35 you will not open your mouth too much.

In words, from 1 anti-aircraft gun you can destroy as many helicopters as you like

[Zomanus]

They are certainly in vain, if at all true. God forbid to damage at least one helicopter ...

[Semen Semyonitch]

... The incident is reported on the website of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine ...

Three times HA The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is already an anecdote ... Only one site remained from the defense ...

[Kilo-11]

If this is true, then this is a pure provocation, they need to provoke us to retaliate, otherwise they have announced to the whole world that we will go to war against them, and we will not go anyway, that’s provoking. I think this is the first case in this series, they will more provocations, and not only in the Crimean direction. So keep the gunpowder dry and take the armored train out of the siding.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: Kilo-11

we will go to war

In a modern war, everything starts wrong. At first, a missile attack would be carried out on the detected air defense systems, but I think that everything was revealed. And after the air defense was suppressed, the Bears arrived, although not at first Dryers would smooth out the terrain ... Sodo ... svidomity on stupidity vsepresenta war like airsoft, Show off with a kulemet ... There will be no such nonsense! There will be no opportunity from kulemetu to shoot Bears

[VNP1958PVN]

We would be glad that someone is trying to help them finish the "maydanut kotovasia" as soon as possible

[Kilo-11]

By the way, if of course it is true that the soldiers of the Ukrainian fascist army fired at our turntables, then you need to remember this number on the 24th — this is the day when the Ukrainian fascists first shot towards our military personnel, mind you, we were not the first to start shooting, but they!

[Cristall]

Quote: Kilo-11

number 24e is the day when the Ukrainian fascists fired for the first time in the direction of our servicemen, mind you, we were not the first to shoot, but they!

Yes, no, if already meticulously, then a soldier of Ukraine died much earlier (as they wrote here, the drunk himself was guilty)
you can also make a tragedy - you started and the first victim ... Let's omit the nuances ... although on this site they love nuances so much ...
At the hands of Ukrainians, not a single Russian was killed .. all Ukrainians ... both from their own and from strangers ..

[Cynic]

Quote: Cristall

on this site they love nuances so much ...

Then

Quote: Cristall

Not a single Russian died at the hands of the Ukrainians ... all Ukrainians ...

Do you consider nationality or citizenship of the Russian Federation as a hallmark?
In any case, for such a categorical statement, you need to have access to confidential, let's say, information or to its distribution.
So ?

[Sergei 57]

They wanted to dump our food for them, but they refused to be fools.

[Bayonet]

I would not make hasty conclusions only on the basis of a message on the website of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. Moreover, brandishing a club.

[mig31]

Fear has big eyes, so you can make up a lot of things for diarrhea ...

[Vorodis_vA]

ours angered the porcupine with a stick, so he shoots with needles ...

[Svetovod]

The whole world is now vkurse - except for the mysterious and incomprehensible "Russian soul", there is a "dumb Ukrainian soul". NOOOO THOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYE.

[Victor-M]

Quote: Svetovod

The whole world is now vkurse - except for the mysterious and incomprehensible "Russian soul", there is a "dumb Ukrainian soul".

Why are you pushing all Ukrainians to Kiev deby * s, in the Southeast, too, Ukrainians are only Russian speakers, and if you take it deeper, then we are all Russians from the word Rus, they just mixed ourselves up with a rotten, western bloodbird with a mutating genome and got banderlogs.

[INFOLegioner]

Considering that it is necessary for the prisoners to provoke Russia to provoke at least some hostile actions for evidence and complaints to the UN and the USA, the downed Russian helicopter over Ukraine would be a wonderful gift for them. However, apparently helicopters flew far on the horizon and generally in the opposite direction. I won’t be surprised if this is a fiction of UKROP-Media in general for raising the morale of the army of future deserters and defectors

[kot28.ru]

We gathered dill here and drive !!! And what, the fighting pink elephants did not fly right away ???

[GRAY]

Yes, they would have to be tied up for a while, and even this will not seem so.

[hctu]

The photo is unsuccessful. Partisans.

[GRAY]

Partisans? Then to the Khan’s robot.

[GRAY]

I understand that this is not the topic, but I can not help but lay out.
This is this man!

(clickable)

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: GRAY

This is this man!

He laughed heartily, MONSTER! With an ax! One! dispersed the whole platoon! It is after this that you begin to believe in the Cossack Kozma Kryuchkov who planted the Germans at the peak, as if on skewers, eight at a time.

[Riperbahn]

You are laughing in vain! A person in a stressful state will not only disperse the German platoon and chop off the heads of officers, but Messerschmidt can also bring down! I personally believe this story.

[GRAY]

It's true.
Dmitry Romanovich Ovcharenko (1919 - January 28, 1945) - Hero of the Soviet Union, a Red Army soldier, a machine-gun company.

[GRAY]

Ivan Pavlovich Sereda (1919-1950) - Hero of the Soviet Union, cook of the 91st tank regiment, a Red Army man.

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: GRAY

Red Army man.

Is something visible on the right chase, a defect in the picture?

[GRAY]

In 1942, Corporal Ivan Sereda graduated from advanced training courses for command personnel, and in 1944 the Novocherkassk Cavalry School. In 1945, with the rank of senior lieutenant, he was transferred to the reserve.

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: GRAY

It's true.

I believe, laugh, but I believe. This can!

[Riperbahn]

The Ukrop military fired three rounds backwards towards the Crimea :)))

[jovanni]

Well, yes, after their checkpoint got their own helicopters gouged, they now see airstrikes everywhere ... "Tse us ?! Bo, not us ?!"

[Bronik]

I remember Ssakashvili in the clear sky I saw the Russian plane, so I almost got it wrong. But the plane wasn’t ...

[pushman]

Why does the author propagate informational garbage?

[Free Island]

Kiev and its army (which is much worse than the Papuan army in Papua New Guinea) attribute to themselves IMPROVED ACTIONS))) are trying to show the zombie people in Kiev that the government is protecting them from evil invaders and heroically wetting the Russian aviation))) bu ha ha))) )))))))) it wasn’t that, the Yatsenyukh-Turtsin-Yarosh just got another batch of American drugs from Afghanistan for the elections, and it’s snorting them, non-Polish ..

[zinander]

Was there a boy? Or did they fear in trousers by mistaking their helicopter for Russian?

[Corsair]

Quote: Iskander

Was there a boy? Or did they fear in trousers by mistaking their helicopter for Russian?

Try not to impose ...

Remember the recent "additional shelling" with "turntables" of the broken-down column of the 51st brigade near Volnovakha, Donetsk region ...

[Timmir]

When the people of Ukraine, tired of being intimidated by the Russian army, the Ukrainian media.

[pushman]

then, when the oligarchs in Ukraine run out of money or they realize that they have gone to minus ....

[GRAY]

In a mental hospital for a walk, one patient walks along the paths and claps his hands.
- What are you doing? - the nurse asks.
- I’m dispersing crocodiles.
“So they are not here.”
- That's why not, they do not like it.

[Riperbahn]

Our "Crocodile" is difficult to drive away with the claps of the Ukrop army.

[ochakow703]

Terrible, already terrible! Well done dill. And they themselves were near the cannons, and the shells were nearby ... They shot the truth nowhere, many eyewitnesses say that only the sound was helicopter, and the object itself was cigar-shaped with blue glow, and it changed the trajectory randomly ... probably it was evading sighting bursts. Mystifiers, damn it.

[Kolovrat77]

I think everything is very simple-in case of war with Russia (of course nuclear) they were given orange medicine kits, there are blue tablets, and he is a warrior fumbling for freebies and all kinds of buzz, so they glutted on these tablets and saw them. ... The Russians were shot down in bundles, tomorrow they will have a hangover and they will go to collect trophy lumin.

[Zebus]

+100 000
I agree with my friend Kolovrat77 !!!!

[massad1]

as in that joke - 8 trunks and the whole sky in parrots

[Free Island]

Quote: Kolovrat77

first-aid kits orange

there is such a thing ... TAREN is called))) I had a dad in chemical troops, then I constantly brought such first-aid kits from retraining, threw out medicine and made boxes for baubles and hooks from boxes :))) eh, I would know - I wouldn’t throw it away, would send to the dill army)))) as a sabotage ...

[Simonov]

Hto ordered a taxi to Dibrivka?
(the keyword "ordered")

[Simonov]

Quote: Jovanni

Well, yes, after their checkpoint got their own helicopters gouged, they now see airstrikes everywhere ... "Tse us ?! Bo, not us ?!"

The new schedule of the day in the Ukrainian military formations - before the "hang up" command, the command "check" is given - it is necessary to carefully examine the space under the bed and in the closet for the presence of a Putin with a grenade launcher.

[cerbuk6155]

They lie at every turn. If ours flew they would throw everything and run away with fright.

[theadenter]

Today I saw a video where Ukrainian military helicopters covered their own checkpoint with fire. Extremely low training and no teamwork.

[Bear52]

Unclear.
HERE to relay xoxloc why?!
There is plenty of room in other places!

[Gorbtk]

As the saying goes, "paper will endure everything." The owners again ordered provocations and aggravation of the conflict - this is the result, and what is it real or virtual, who can figure it out. And the denyuzhki are drunk ... In this they are the best ...

[northern]

In real life they try to provoke at least somehow, in ukrosmi they try to inflate. And that’s all.

[zavesa01]

Mi - 35? Well, we would like to cross.

[massad1]

I can tell you how it was, most likely, because these turntables over the past two weeks have personally flown a couple of times in front of me, frankly laziness to drain the video from the registrar. 2 Mi-35s go regularly, patrol, pass over Dzhankoy several times a day towards Chongar and back. Most likely, some gallant Ukrainian commander decided to curry favor - he heard distant wings and ordered to give a turn somewhere in the sparrows, and in the report they probably wrote that the brave calculation of the anti-aircraft guns heroically alone repulsed the attack of the whole helicopter regiment

[Ek.Sektor]

Tymchuk again chtole smacked something or did he eat stale salsa?

[fox21h]

Quote: Ek.Sektor

Earlier, the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry reported that on May 24, at about 4:00, near the Dibrivka checkpoint in the Donetsk region, border guards recorded another unauthorized border crossing from Russia: 5 trucks and 2 cars with armed people.

It's time to decide something with the border guards, otherwise it is not order, a different state, but the border guards of the old (illegal) government.

[marder4]

something incomprehensible then it turns out - if this really happened, then why didn’t ours return fire?

[kartalovkolya]

The union of the DPR and LPR in Novorossia will summarize the work of the border service of a hostile state on its territory!

[KBPC50]

Quote: Kilo-11

By the way, if of course it is true that the soldiers of the Ukrainian fascist army fired at our turntables, then you need to remember this number on the 24th — this is the day when the Ukrainian fascists first shot towards our military personnel, mind you, we were not the first to start shooting, but they!

Right-seated people are always around the corner, they burned Khatyn with the children, normal dogs in estrus HI HI !

[siberalt]

There is almost no information about the South-East Congress. Representatives of 8 regions attended. We made a decision to create a Popular Front.

[propolsky]

They recognize the border if they started shooting only after a clear attempt to cross it! Although how can this be determined, what is from the air, what is from the ground plus or minus a kilometer, I do not know ...

[Mister anderson]

Yeah, you still post information from the censor or the echo of Moscow, this is from the OBS category.

[Bormental]

And why the hell did these ZUshki not multiply by zero "by mistake"?

[Lelek]

Well, what is so exceptional here? Well, the guys were shooting either with hunger, or leaning over-having smoked. For the spent ammunition it is necessary to somehow report, so they came up with a talk about helicopters. The next episode will be a story with Russian UFOs. I think so.

[Belarus]

Well, yes, the little green people already have only UFO plates left

[chunga-changa]

The territory is new, the pilots could get lost, which is a common thing. In the air from a low altitude everything looks the same, not like on the map. You have to study the area visually.

[socrates7]

I am simply horrified by whoever seized power in Kyiv. You have to be so stupid. That's what money does. They do everything!!!

[Giant thought]

Believing the Ukrainian media, not respecting yourself.

[silverwolf88]

All this looks like a provocation... and in fact it is.
I wonder... what the anti-aircraft gun crews are trying to achieve... and the local army command... they will simply be destroyed at 0... and nothing will happen to Kyiv, who gives the orders... just think, a hundred other people will be written off as expendable.

[alexpro66]

One thing is not clear to me personally! Why do such lampoons periodically appear on this site, without an annotation or explanatory text from the editor or the one who posts such “truthful” messages??????????????????????? ?? Is this a practice on this site? or does it depend on the work shift of administrators who obviously have different points of view on certain political situations... I don’t mind reading Ukrosmi’s nonsense, but you probably shouldn’t be “original” by publishing such articles without explanation - even in the same states such an article would be twice as many explanations. Let's not be original and we need to act the same way as our “partners”, especially since they position themselves as a beacon of “democracy” - it’s good to spice up the text with truthful explanations!

[nnz226]

complete: 1) why do our helicopters fly over the Kherson region??? What's so interesting there? And what is the use of the Kherson region, except for watermelons that have not yet ripened, even if they were planted? 2) And that our COMBAT helicopters would not react in any way to anti-aircraft fire? They just kind of got scared and flew away???

[svp67]

Quote: nnz226

1) why do our helicopters fly over the Kherson region??? What's so interesting there?

There is some kind of gas distribution station that is held by our soldiers, so there is something interesting there...

[Valkh]

It will be hard for them now!!! They are not taken to the bathhouse, their linen is not changed!!!

[Deadmen]

Yes, out of fear they will shoot in the air, even if you just turn on very good sound speakers at the border at night, from which you will hear the sound recorded in advance on a disk with the sound of an MI-35 flying in the sky

[SeAl2014]

Fascist propaganda glorifies the actions of its troops.

[Dmitro_d]

Brad. Yes and only!!! Maybe it was a UFO???? Or are the calculations drunk?

[Leshka]

and if ours fired in response, they didn’t think much

[zavesa01]

Why discuss, well, dill propaganda NEEDS feats. So they invent it to lift the spirit. Think about it. TWO MI-35s tried to cross the Square border but were AFRAID of the “valiant border guards”.

1- Russian aggression is repelled.
2- Our army is strong.

I just don’t understand why I would write such nonsense on this resource. Everyone in the southeast knows the combat effectiveness of the Ukrainian Army.

[Good_Taxist]

Dill is a country of diagnoses!

[nov_tech.vrn]

clowns, you got yourself sick from airdarts, and the MI-35 wouldn’t even leave a scent on you, and those are the warriors... on the Internet and with unarmed people

[Lieutenant colonel]

There is only one question - was there a boy? That is, a helicopter or even a couple? For the sake of credibility, at least give the name of the air defense system that was used. The Ukrainians have become completely lazy. MASS MEDIA.

[DanSabaka]

On May 24, at about 4:00, near the Dibrivka checkpoint in the Donetsk region, border guards recorded another unauthorized border crossing from Russia: 5 trucks and 2 cars with armed people.

I would like some specifics here... how did they cross? Is the border unguarded? How do the border guards know that people were armed? (they inspected it and let it through?) And where did these 7 cars go, along with the armed people?

[admin 54]

This is what I think: this is either another horror story for the Ukrainian people with the goal of once again spoiling Russia, or another joke about the “occupied” Crimea. if this was the case, then the helicopters had to go on a combat approach and practice on ground targets. and then quietly leave. and then be the first to throw in information that Nazi turntables worked in their own way.

[Dmitry Toderes]

Are they serious anyway? - Russian combat helicopters can withstand hits from a 30-mm BMP cannon. This is possible thanks to the combination of very hard elements (silicon) with plastic elements (aluminum) in the armor - you can’t even scratch our turntables from an anti-aircraft gun.

[sabakina]

I’m generally silent about “KA-50-52”...

[starhina01]

people, stop buying radio-controlled helicopter models for your children, there’s no need to escalate the situation once again

[combat66]

Quote: Bashkaus

Only Americans think this way. If we got involved in this monstrous war with our fraternal people, for which we are all ashamed and disgraced before our ancestors and descendants, we still begin to innocently bat our eyes with the question “why” when the opposing side takes some steps.

Listen, you are our conscientious one.....If anyone should be ashamed, it should not be Russia. Do you think the current situation between Ukraine and Russia falls under some kind of international norms?! They have been gone for a long time, and everything is on the razor's edge. Therefore, any bad bullet from the dill can lead to irreversible consequences, primarily for the dill themselves. The answer may arrive multiplied by an order of magnitude! Laws, norms? Forget, relax and enjoy the fact that you are not in the place of those anti-aircraft gunners and not at the helm of Russian helicopters.....sick...

[eleronn]

I don’t think there was any shooting! The ammunition was sold to the "separatists", and the fake report is just that - a fake report.

[Alexey]

Quote: Semyon Semyonich

Three times HA by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is already a joke... There is only one website left from the defense.

They are also very strong on Facebook...

[Belarus]

What do they drink and what do they snack on? these..... all over your head ??
If it was necessary to fly, they would have done it SO that even my mother wouldn’t have time to say these condoms.
Oh, what mommies are there? in Kyiv.........I simply have no words.

And what kind of “genius” WROTE this “masterpiece”????????

[BambrSV]

Quote: major071

Trust the Ukrop warriors more. Most likely, our turntable flew near the border, these warriors fired into the air in fear, after which they clearly reported to the center: "The attack of the treacherous enemy who wanted to seize the territory of the independent was repulsed!" I won’t be surprised if under this case the dead will appear.

Hi Andrew!

And he just - chemical aviation... sprayed the field

[Valter1364]

I probably dreamed it. In the mornings, in their air defense unit, they sadly cleaned their boots with shoe polish, and in the evening, out of fear, they furiously fired into the air from revolvers.
...the dream of a guard dog.

[Juborg]

What nonsense?! Even if we assume that this is true, where these would-be warriors drew the line in the air, at a minimum a radar is needed. They’ve already lied, they probably don’t believe themselves anymore.

[Vlad1408]

If in Ukraine their helicopters shoot at their soldiers, then you can’t think of anything out of fear when everyone is fighting against everyone.

[fregina1]

It's been a long time since you took the land into your thong!

Quote: SHURAVI

And it may look like that!

[Styx]

...here she comes again, paranoia... :)))) I don’t know who Noskov dedicated the song to

[Cristall]

Well, actually, they acted with a directive --- they opened a warning, what needs to be explained here? Now everything is clear that there is a line - there is no need to cross it. And also questions - what kind of line... where is this mythical temporary border of the “occupied territory”...
Moreover, everything is so complicated that “the border of the temporarily occupied territory is at the same time the state border”!
By the way, ours crossed - the Russians give a migration card, the Ukrainians do not. Legally, you do not cross the border of Ukraine. That is, for the Russian Federation you cross, but for Ukraine you don’t.
How to solve this problem? They slam on the brakes in a minute.
Oh, by the way, our sick trolls are shouting that they are ready to let go of the “vatniks” in the east (Lugansk + Donetsk), but they will never let go of Crimea... That’s it... Give them free rein... so you won’t have enough of any Kem volosts...
It’s bad when there are only traitors at the head of the state... And it seems like there should be patriotism - but these traitors are ruining everything, ruining even the last remnants of respect for the unity of the country... among the entire people! How is this possible in a few months...talent!

[pvv113]

Quote from S.S.R.

Quote: SHURAVI

And it may look like that!

Damn it looks great. If only there were Odessa, Kharkov, Slavyansk holes ... well, how could there be one big hole without Kherson from Kherson to Ishmael (which Suvorov took) and the Crimea)))

Soon there will be only one rubber band left

[Santor]

Quote: Bashkaus

Therefore, I honestly do not understand the indignation of the Russians, guys, you scare me when you become like Americans plunging into a system of double standards.
The Syrians can shoot down an airplane on their territory, is it already impossible for Ukrainians? Russia can turn off gas to Ukraine, Ukraine can’t block the channel with water in the Crimea?
Only Americans think so. If we got involved in this monstrous war with our brotherly people, for which we are all ashamed and disgraced before our ancestors and descendants, we still begin to innocently clap our eyes with the question "why" when the opposing side takes some steps. All that I have listed is NORMAL for a war, so it’s foolish to take offense at the one with whom (I do not say the word "against whom") you are fighting for the fact that he shoots back. Ukraine's retaliatory actions are not good, not bad, they are normal in anticipation of war.
Unfortunately, if we ignore emotions, then this is so "

Is there a war going on? Are there Russian military units operating on the territory of Ukraine? The Ukrainian authorities have not yet provided a single intelligible fact; moreover, they themselves have admitted that the militias are citizens of Ukraine.

Next, did people in Russia gallop en masse through the streets shouting “Ukrainians to the gallows!!! Death to Ukrainians and Jews!!!”???? Well, at least show me a photo - I’ll give you a bunch of videos from Ukraine... Did Putin allow himself to make some offensive statements about the Ukrainian people, unlike the politicians in Kyiv??? He still says Ukrainian partners, although the behavior of the gentlemen in Kyiv is simply boorish....

We got involved in this war??? Did the Russians burn Odessa residents? Did the Russians shoot at young people in Kharkov with machine guns? Do you remember how the confrontation began in the South-East... People were kidnapped by the dozens, beaten - there are tons of videos on the Internet...

Here the conversation is not even about this - but simply about the absence of a fact as such.... The website of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is no better than Censor.net... It has already authoritatively announced the arrival of the Chechen battalion "Vostok" in Crimea... All The catch is that this battalion was disbanded in 2008 and the servicemen joined the ranks of the Russian army in the so-called letter regiments of the motorized rifle division stationed in Chechnya. It turns out that the Moscow Region did not know about this, but to lie is to lie...

The pressure is on in full - hysteria, there is no other word, when you see dug-in Ukrainian tanks and infantry fighting vehicles at the border, pointing their guns towards the Russian border.... One Mickey Mouse will arrive and there will be a lot of scrap metal there. But they don’t understand this. .... And on the Russian side (data from Channel 5, which conducted a survey at the border of those entering from the Russian Federation) there is no one for hundreds of kilometers “We drove and saw nothing from Belgorod itself.”...

[RUS33]

Quote: Bashkaus

that's bullshit? or was it? if it was, then why did our people allow themselves to be threatened with impunity?
Alager com alagero!
There are generally recognized international laws on the sovereignty of states. The presence of the army of one state in the territory of another is prohibited and illegal except in two cases a 1-union agreement between two states. 2-declaration of war by one state, another.
As far as I know, Russia did not officially declare war on the state of Ukraine, although it took Crimea into its structure, with which Ukraine does not agree and which caused an aggravation of the situation! (note, I am not assessing the annexation of Crimea, but talking about bare facts)
Moreover, if the military unit "helicopter" representing the army of the Russian Federation invaded the territory of Ukraine or another state (or disputed territory), then the air defense forces have full legal right to take all measures to expel the aircraft from its airspace, forcibly land on their territory, or open fire to kill.
Thus, there are no claims to the air defense of Ukraine, I think their actions are no less justified than the destruction of the Turkish phantom in the waters of Syria, and taking into account the fact that part of its territories was taken from Ukraine, these actions are all the more understandable in human terms (whether someone likes it or not , but this is a fact).
Further, let's understand that pilots are not stupid people and perfectly understand the rules of airspace and the consequences for military aircraft that penetrate the territory of a sovereign state, this is their profession, this is their duty.
Therefore, I honestly do not understand the indignation of the Russians, guys, you scare me when you become like Americans plunging into a system of double standards.
The Syrians can shoot down an airplane on their territory, is it already impossible for Ukrainians? Russia can turn off gas to Ukraine, Ukraine can’t block the channel with water in the Crimea?
Only Americans think so. If we got involved in this monstrous war with our brotherly people, for which we are all ashamed and disgraced before our ancestors and descendants, we still begin to innocently clap our eyes with the question "why" when the opposing side takes some steps. All that I have listed is NORMAL for a war, so it’s foolish to take offense at the one with whom (I do not say the word "against whom") you are fighting for the fact that he shoots back. Ukraine's retaliatory actions are not good, not bad, they are normal in anticipation of war.
Unfortunately, if we ignore emotions, then this is so "

Read this:
http://vybor.ua/article/vneshnjaja_politika/ukraina-ne-imeet-oficialnyh-granic.h
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There is no Ukraine, there is the Ukrainian SSR. A republic that is part of the USSR.
Who is the successor to the USSR? That's right - RUSSIA.

[Latvian]

There is no braver fighter in the world than the frightened Maidanopithecus! Soon their friends will give them a Patriot system.

[project sity]

Quote: Bashkaus

that's bullshit? or was it? if it was, then why did our people allow themselves to be threatened with impunity?
Alager com alagero!
There are generally recognized international laws on the sovereignty of states. The presence of the army of one state in the territory of another is prohibited and illegal except in two cases a 1-union agreement between two states. 2-declaration of war by one state, another.
As far as I know, Russia did not officially declare war on the state of Ukraine, although it took Crimea into its structure, with which Ukraine does not agree and which caused an aggravation of the situation! (note, I am not assessing the annexation of Crimea, but talking about bare facts)
Moreover, if the military unit "helicopter" representing the army of the Russian Federation invaded the territory of Ukraine or another state (or disputed territory), then the air defense forces have full legal right to take all measures to expel the aircraft from its airspace, forcibly land on their territory, or open fire to kill.
Thus, there are no claims to the air defense of Ukraine, I think their actions are no less justified than the destruction of the Turkish phantom in the waters of Syria, and taking into account the fact that part of its territories was taken from Ukraine, these actions are all the more understandable in human terms (whether someone likes it or not , but this is a fact).
Further, let's understand that pilots are not stupid people and perfectly understand the rules of airspace and the consequences for military aircraft that penetrate the territory of a sovereign state, this is their profession, this is their duty.
Therefore, I honestly do not understand the indignation of the Russians, guys, you scare me when you become like Americans plunging into a system of double standards.
The Syrians can shoot down an airplane on their territory, is it already impossible for Ukrainians? Russia can turn off gas to Ukraine, Ukraine can’t block the channel with water in the Crimea?
Only Americans think so. If we got involved in this monstrous war with our brotherly people, for which we are all ashamed and disgraced before our ancestors and descendants, we still begin to innocently clap our eyes with the question "why" when the opposing side takes some steps. All that I have listed is NORMAL for a war, so it’s foolish to take offense at the one with whom (I do not say the word "against whom") you are fighting for the fact that he shoots back. Ukraine's retaliatory actions are not good, not bad, they are normal in anticipation of war.
Unfortunately, if we ignore emotions, then this is so "

Well, if everyone answered back to the aggressor, then we would no longer exist or there would simply be War. That's what "strategy" is for.

[project sity]

Quote: Bashkaus

that's bullshit? or was it? if it was, then why did our people allow themselves to be threatened with impunity?
Alager com alagero!
There are generally recognized international laws on the sovereignty of states. The presence of the army of one state in the territory of another is prohibited and illegal except in two cases a 1-union agreement between two states. 2-declaration of war by one state, another.
As far as I know, Russia did not officially declare war on the state of Ukraine, although it took Crimea into its structure, with which Ukraine does not agree and which caused an aggravation of the situation! (note, I am not assessing the annexation of Crimea, but talking about bare facts)
Moreover, if the military unit "helicopter" representing the army of the Russian Federation invaded the territory of Ukraine or another state (or disputed territory), then the air defense forces have full legal right to take all measures to expel the aircraft from its airspace, forcibly land on their territory, or open fire to kill.
Thus, there are no claims to the air defense of Ukraine, I think their actions are no less justified than the destruction of the Turkish phantom in the waters of Syria, and taking into account the fact that part of its territories was taken from Ukraine, these actions are all the more understandable in human terms (whether someone likes it or not , but this is a fact).
Further, let's understand that pilots are not stupid people and perfectly understand the rules of airspace and the consequences for military aircraft that penetrate the territory of a sovereign state, this is their profession, this is their duty.
Therefore, I honestly do not understand the indignation of the Russians, guys, you scare me when you become like Americans plunging into a system of double standards.
The Syrians can shoot down an airplane on their territory, is it already impossible for Ukrainians? Russia can turn off gas to Ukraine, Ukraine can’t block the channel with water in the Crimea?
Only Americans think so. If we got involved in this monstrous war with our brotherly people, for which we are all ashamed and disgraced before our ancestors and descendants, we still begin to innocently clap our eyes with the question "why" when the opposing side takes some steps. All that I have listed is NORMAL for a war, so it’s foolish to take offense at the one with whom (I do not say the word "against whom") you are fighting for the fact that he shoots back. Ukraine's retaliatory actions are not good, not bad, they are normal in anticipation of war.
Unfortunately, if we ignore emotions, then this is so "

Well, if everyone answered back to the aggressor, then we would no longer exist or there would simply be War. That's what "strategy" is for.

[nod739]

Quote: Sterlya

Ukraine is an artificially created state that has shown its insolvency. therefore, it is subject to dismantling. only time is needed. this process will last a long time, but the result is predetermined

Well, that’s not your idea???
This stamp has been hammered into us for a long time and diligently, and yet Ukraine is no longer Russia, as it turns out...
and also the USA - also an artificial formation, but very strong and few people are sure that it can be dismantled, isn’t it? and there are a lot of such examples - the entire history of the planet...
and as for Ukraine, the West “helped” in many ways, but do not forget that Lenin gave up Novorossiya, Westernism to Stalin, and Crimea to Khrushchev
voluntarists
if this had not happened, there would have been a Kiev province, not very different from Smolensk or Voronezh....