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Respect can not be recognized. Putting commas?

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Respect can not be recognized. Putting commas?We are waiting, in fact, the results of the elections in Ukraine. What they will be in terms of honesty and legitimacy is generally a separate question.


The theme of the legitimacy of the Ukrainian presidential campaign in recent days has repeatedly touched Vladimir Putin. And he did it in an unexpectedly benevolent manner for official Kiev.

On Wednesday, he called the political processes in Ukraine positive steps, “including the legitimization of the existing authorities.” However, he added that "it will be very difficult to build relationships with people who come to power against the background of the ongoing punitive operation in the south-east of Ukraine and impede the work of the press."

On Friday at the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, Putin spoke in an even more peaceful manner: “We understand that people in Ukraine want the country to come out of this protracted crisis. We also want, at the end of the day, at least some calm, and we will respect the choice of the Ukrainian people with respect. ” According to the head of the Russian state, Moscow will work with “newly elected structures,” despite the fact that the campaign conditions “do not meet modern standards.”

These standards we see. It makes no sense to list, everything is clear and so.

So Putin’s phrase “Well, God bless them, even if they do it,” bears enough information to draw some conclusions.

One can speak of three basic scenarios of Moscow’s reaction to the results of the Ukrainian elections: either completely refuse to recognize their results; or, on the contrary, to clearly and unambiguously recognize; or, finally, hang the situation.

I think it will be the third option. "Respect for the choice of citizens" - we have already passed.

An unequivocal refusal to recognize the legitimacy of the outcome of the Ukrainian election campaign is possible only in one case: if something extraordinary happens on election day or right after it. It is unlikely that Kiev will go for it. Rather the opposite. Everything will be quiet and peaceful.

Dramatic events, of course, cannot be completely ruled out, but even in this case, a possible refusal to recognize the results of voting in Ukraine will not be final and irrevocable.

An unequivocal recognition, however, does not have to wait either. In international practice, however, an unequivocal, albeit informal, evidence of the recognition of the elections is a congratulatory telegram on behalf of the head of state or by phone. This gesture is optional, but traditionally used. Poroshenko congratulations hardly wait. Too ambiguous situation, which side do not look.

The logic is very simple. Recognition is a negotiating position. The question arises: if we recognize the elections, what do we get in return? At a minimum - the implementation of the Geneva Agreements and the solution of the problems of the Russian-speaking population. Gas - too.

Anyway, in the Ukrainian crisis there are too many "ifs" to accurately predict how Moscow’s relations with Kiev will develop. In the end, unfortunately, nobody canceled radical scenarios for the development of the situation.
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  1. UFO
    UFO 26 May 2014 07: 37
    0
    RECOGNIZE !!!! That only Yanukovych is legitimate !!! wink
    1. afire
      afire 26 May 2014 07: 50
      +7
      map of the Crimea ???
      Well friends, it is not right like that ...

      Regarding the topic - changed one cell of thieves to another.
      What will change? - nothing.
      What people died and die for? - just.
      We need to get the South-East out of this shit, they won't have enough "equipment".
      it's a pity
      1. BYV
        BYV 26 May 2014 07: 58
        +2
        Quote: afire
        What will change? - nothing.

        I agree. In fact, all the same Hari remain in power. In addition, given Parashnik’s utter dependence on the United States, this will be a worthy successor to Turchinov’s case. At the expense of unitary Ukraine, he spoke out very clearly.
      2. MOISEY
        MOISEY 26 May 2014 08: 04
        +2
        The author of the article missed one point that Russia needs all of Ukraine, without the possibility of creating a springboard for NATO forces. Therefore, most likely there will be recognition of the new government, BUT recognition should be fraught with such a tough economic framework that, apart from cooperation with Russia, the new government had no other thoughts.
        1. yushch
          yushch 26 May 2014 12: 58
          +1
          Russia doesn’t need the whole of Ukraine, it’s not feasible. Russia needs either an ally or a really neutral Ukraine. Hard frames will not work either, everyone understands that without Russia, in economic terms, Ukraine will fall to the level of Moldova. And temporary workers in Kiev carry out tanned teams, and on his agenda the normalization of the situation in Ukraine does not appear.
      3. UFO
        UFO 26 May 2014 08: 31
        +1
        Why would you? Yanukovych is already tame, no one will return Crimea to him, but there’s no one else to talk to him! hi
    2. raptor1975
      raptor1975 26 May 2014 08: 25
      +1
      The conclusion is simple: do not recognize until the punitive operation is stopped and the point
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  2. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 26 May 2014 07: 42
    +4
    Powdery political corpse ... he did not rule the ball for a long time ... Donbas will take its own and Kiev, including
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 26 May 2014 07: 52
      +2
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Powdery political corpse ... he did not rule the ball for long ...

      Why only political? Julia has not yet said "the last word", although she is still purring quietly. I do not exclude that they will indeed arrange several terrorist acts in order to prove that Poroshenko CANNOT manage, or will "order" him himself.
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 26 May 2014 07: 55
        +3
        Julia is also not an independent figure; Western curators can also punish her for lawlessness.
        1. BYV
          BYV 26 May 2014 08: 01
          +3
          Albright did not come in vain. I think she hinted that Porosh was their man, and you should not rock on him. In exchange for a government post.
          1. Turkir
            Turkir 26 May 2014 09: 40
            +1
            Albright did not come in vain. I think she hinted that Waltzman is their man,
      2. avt
        avt 26 May 2014 09: 00
        +1
        Quote: Scandinavian
        Powdered political corpse.

        Quote: Egoza
        Why only political? Julia has not yet said "the last word", although she is still purring quietly.

        Quote: BYV
        Albright came for a reason

        I don’t understand at all the meaning of all these talks about the "elections" on the "Ukraine1991" project. Why all this pre-entrance debate ???? Is it really the example of Yushchenko, when Bush simply said - we do not recognize the other, but contrary to the constitution, they voted for the desired result? They said from overseas - Poroshenko, that's it. Nuladn said - I give 20 lyams for reformatting the "Right Sector" into a party. So what? As Yarosh didn’t get busy, the party was registered. Why all these articles about "elections" ??? Leave it to the "political scientists"
    2. from punk
      from punk 26 May 2014 08: 08
      0
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Powdery political corpse ... he did not rule the ball for a long time ... Donbas will take its own and Kiev, including

      I didn’t remember who said it. But Poroshenko is not the president of Ukraine, but the interim manager of a country with undefined borders
  3. VadimL
    VadimL 26 May 2014 07: 43
    +4
    Don't say "Yes" or "No". This will leave Russia free to act in the future.
  4. a52333
    a52333 26 May 2014 07: 45
    +2
    Clearly unlikely to succeed. Donbass and Lugansk did not vote. And that means: if Ukraine recognizes the elections as valid, it also recognizes that the DPR and LPR are cut chunks. However, they have their own (not their own) logic.
    Moment2:
    for some reason, elections are considered to be a turning point. IMHO: no.
    Zhulya will say: let's start the 3 maidan. And all over again.
    1. Gorinich
      Gorinich 26 May 2014 10: 47
      +1
      The fact that Poroshenko has no doubts about this for a long time, if only because the first statements about the continuation of the operation in the Southeast. It’s like in 1917 the one who first said - Peace! He received moral support from the bulk of the population.
  5. mig31
    mig31 26 May 2014 07: 45
    0
    No recognition, if only - in the genocide, cinema-photo documents is enough, not that the directors of the State Department will fully celebrate the blessing ....
  6. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 26 May 2014 07: 48
    +2
    We must first see what the candy maker will do. In my opinion, you don’t have to do anything now, just watch if everything stays the same, then I’d like to talk to him and I would like to look at the cabinet of ministers. Won Klitschko was elected mayor of Kiev, probably Kiev attracted by his ability to peek into tomorrow.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 26 May 2014 08: 23
      +2
      Quote: Standard Oil
      Vaughn Klitschko was elected mayor of Kiev, probably the people of Kiev were attracted by his ability to look into tomorrow.

      Try to say a word against such a word - and he, according to an old habit, hooks on the right or upper cut.
  7. Revolver
    Revolver 26 May 2014 07: 50
    +5
    Well, listen to the news carefully. Will there be a congratulation from the leadership of the Russian Federation Parashenko, and if so, who signed it, and in what specific terms. It will be very indicative.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 26 May 2014 08: 04
      +1
      Quote: Nagan
      Well, listen to the news carefully. Will there be a congratulation from the leadership of the Russian Federation Parashenko, and if so, who signed it, and in what specific terms. It will be very indicative.

      you sir should be joking please? what is (three letters) congratulation ???
  8. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 26 May 2014 07: 52
    0
    For Russia, the situation is not simple, I think in silence it is necessary to see what will happen next. Based on what will happen in Ukraine and make decisions.
  9. Sergg
    Sergg 26 May 2014 07: 52
    +2
    You can formally congratulate Poroshenko with a presidential seat laughing , and immediately put forward a legitimate demand to return the money of 3.5 billion, as well as to extradite war criminals Avakov, Turchinov and others to give them to an international tribunal.
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 26 May 2014 07: 54
    +1
    “Respect for the choice of citizens”

    And who said that GDP meant presidential elections? Maybe he was referring to the creation of New Russia? wassat
  11. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 26 May 2014 07: 58
    +1
    “Respect for the choice of citizens”

    But the same respect for the choice of citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk in a referendum, and even earlier, for the election of Yanukovych. There will be no recognition. Do not count your chickens before they are hatched. Still to come.
  12. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 26 May 2014 07: 58
    +1
    Petro Poroshenko is now like that sacrificial deer ... It seems like the president
    half of Ukraine, and as if neutered!
    The recognition of his legitimacy depends primarily on him ...
    And he understands this. If he withdraws the Ukrainian army from the southeast, and begins
    negotiations, the chances of recognition by Russia will increase!
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 26 May 2014 08: 06
      0
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      If he withdraws the Ukrainian army from the southeast, and begins
      negotiations, the chances of recognition by Russia will increase!
      But Dzhulka does not recognize, and Smoked will turn to him in black ass.
  13. gandalf
    gandalf 26 May 2014 07: 59
    0
    Recognize or not recognize. That is the question.

    You can reflect on the option of recognizing elections + referenda of the LPR and DPR, together. And then recognize the ONR, and the People’s People’s Republic, and the DNI ... wink
  14. Sterlya
    Sterlya 26 May 2014 08: 06
    0
    Recognize? Hardly. That would be too wrong. And why is this necessary? If Russia recognizes, the harm from this will be in all directions.
  15. Angro Magno
    Angro Magno 26 May 2014 08: 08
    0
    Do not guess. Nobody knows what's on Putin’s mind. We’ll see in a couple of days.
  16. Shadow1
    Shadow1 26 May 2014 08: 10
    +1
    Poroshenko - His statements yesterday
    - Will you negotiate with Moscow if you become president?

    - Russia is our neighbor, they do not choose neighbors, we may and would like to be neighboring with Sweden, for example. But we are bordering Russia, which means we will communicate. We will negotiate. Russia is our partner. Peace in the east of the country cannot be restored without Russia.

    - On which side can negotiations be held?

    - Maybe in Kiev, why not. Or there is a format for the Geneva Agreement.

    - How are you going to resolve the conflict in the east of the country?


    - Firstly, you need to protect civilians. Secondly, disarm people. Thirdly, it is necessary to guarantee citizens the right to speak. In the language they want.

    - Vladimir Putin said that it would be nice for you to return the gas debt to start negotiations. Will you return?

    - We will return. But only after a court decision. It is necessary to make the gas issue cease to be painful and normal.
    According to RBC-Ukraine, Poroshenko also commented on the future interaction with Moscow.

    “Russia is our biggest neighbor, and despite all the problems that arose not due to Ukraine’s fault, we still have enough formats to normalize relations,” he noted.

    And right there-

    "KIEV, May 26 - RIA Novosti. The active phase of the special operation in eastern Ukraine, which was actually suspended for the presidential elections on May 25, will resume in the near future," First Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Vitaliy Yarema said at a briefing on Sunday evening.


    In my opinion, nothing will change either!
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 26 May 2014 12: 47
      0
      piglets have a significant part of the business in Russia, and in addition, he understands that if he does not provide at least some positive, compared with the Turkish, he will also be thrown off. I think that sooner or later he will become a new prostitute like Yanuk and will try to negotiate with both the amers and us. Something seems to me that the piglet will still surprise the western hosts. In any case, the GDP has many levers of pressure on it - property in the Russian Federation, debts, a yanuk in Rostov, the possibility of recognition, which will be waved in front of him like a carrot. So it seems amers awaits a lot of interesting things.
  17. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 May 2014 08: 12
    +1
    Poroshenko said that if he is elected, he will sell his business. That is, in the case of elections, he cuts off the anchors that connect him with Ukraine and become its president. Get lost, if you can figure out a possible continuation of the plot ...
  18. mamont5
    mamont5 26 May 2014 08: 15
    +1
    "If something out of the ordinary happens on election day or immediately after it. Kiev is unlikely to agree to this. Rather, on the contrary. Everything will be quiet and peaceful."

    Here's just what to do with it:
    “The National Guard fighters shot the members of the election commission who refused to open the polling station.
    As a result, one person died and another was injured.

    Without victims in the presidential elections in Ukraine could not have done. So, as a result of shooting at a polling station in Novoaydar, in the Luhansk region, one person died and another was injured.

    As reported by RIA Novosti in the press service of the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR), the dead and injured are members of the election commission. Fire from them was opened by fighters from the Dnepr detachment (this is the battalion of the National Guard of Ukraine). The reason was the refusal to open the polling station in the presidential election.

    The fact that as a result of the incident one person died is confirmed by the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine. "
    http://www.kp.ru/online/news/1744580/
  19. tokin1959
    tokin1959 26 May 2014 08: 21
    +1
    The candy cane will strip Southeast urkaini, and tough.
    Maidan-3 will not be.
    Julia realized that she had lost.
    the official will get satisfying and all.
    she does not need a haemorrhoids with ATO.
    so the "movie" will soon begin - Bloody Porosenko.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 26 May 2014 09: 43
      +1
      Bloody Walzman-Porosenko is the bloody president chosen in the Bloody Election.
  20. kombat58
    kombat58 26 May 2014 08: 26
    +1
    It's easy to put a comma! Hand wave, a small curl. Only how to live with meaning afterwards, justify how your deed! After all, only one act, a trifle, will turn into a big disaster! People will not believe more, people will sigh bitterly with longing! And again thoughts and hopes for a miracle will disappear - suddenly, let there be one, the only one who has not betrayed, has not sinned!
    I'd like to hope that gloomy days have ended! And that the Crimean sunrise will continue, and the SUN will rise at its zenith!
    Russian world waking up from hibernation, you surprise the rest of the world!
    The greatest flight of the SPIRIT, and your asceticism!
    Remembering your heroes, worshiping them as saints!
    Never bow your knees before your foe!
  21. demotivator
    demotivator 26 May 2014 08: 32
    +1
    Quote: Egoza
    Julia has not yet said "the last word", although she is still purring quietly.

    Yulia Tymoshenko, who promised a permanent revolution if she was not elected president, received 13% of the vote, but on pain of a life-long deprivation of the right to enter the Schengen zone and the publication in the United States of the testimony of her accomplice Lazarenko (who was serving time in an American prison just during her premiership) renounced her revolutionary statements and recognized the "choice of the people of Ukraine."
    So, don't expect the "last word" from her. As well as from Yarosh. He is also silent for now, but for a different reason - since he has not yet been translated from English into Ukrainian and, accordingly, he has not yet voiced the text of "his" statement.
  22. demotivator
    demotivator 26 May 2014 08: 39
    0
    To admit or not to admit is still open to discussion. But it is necessary to congratulate Ukraine on the new president! Why, it's not for nothing that for three months on the Maidan their asses were freezing, it was not for nothing that they shouted at the top of their lungs: "Bandera will come, put things in order." And here he is "pryishol" - such a curly "fat svidomit", the son of a Moldovan guild, who was tried in the USSR for fraud. On the Maidan 2013-14 they fought with the police, broke their arms and legs, poisoned themselves with tire smoke, froze their butts for three months, the hryvnia dropped by half, the country went in pieces, the civil war began - and all in order for the unprincipled oligarch to become president. Well, let us congratulate the "Ukrainians" on the results of the "revolution" and the new president. What did you fight for, sir?
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 26 May 2014 09: 47
      0
      We congratulate the Ukrainian "voters" on the Ukrainian President Valtsman.
      They must be worthy of him. Bandera Wii rolled over in his grave.
      The Sabbath continues.
  23. bistrov.
    bistrov. 26 May 2014 08: 41
    +2
    I didn’t understand the author’s thought: what to do with the 7 million Donetsk and Luhansk people who did not take part in this farce called the presidential elections of "All Ukraine"? Don't give a damn about them? To give it to the "right sector" to be torn apart, what is happening now? After all, both Poroshenko and Avakov have already announced that the ATO in the East of Ukraine will continue! This means that the blood of innocent civilians will continue to flow. What kind of recognition can we talk about without stopping the ATO and the withdrawal of punitive troops? And the existing regime in Ukraine will never agree to this, for whatever reason: the presence of huge reserves of shale gas in the Donetsk region, which American gas producing corporations have laid their eyes on, undermines the foundations of Russia's safe existence in the modern world, so I predict not only non-recognition unfair elections, which the majority of Ukrainians sabotaged, but also further exacerbation of the existing situation between Russia and Ukraine. Russia must finally choose one of two things: either to come to terms with the existing situation, when international aggressors in the person of the United States will be the masters of the situation at the very borders of Russia and to destroy the Russian population, or to be indignant and finally really go from words to deeds, and support its entire economic and by military force the Russian uprising in the East of Ukraine. I understand that it is difficult to decide on this, but there is no other way. First of all, to turn off the gas to this fascist conglomerate of Ukraine for non-payment, second to recognize the existence of Novorossiya with all the ensuing consequences. This is what the progressive public of Ukraine expects from Russia. I do not think that Russia will put up with the role of a third-rate power, when all sorts of mongrels such as Romania, Poland and the Baltics will put a spoke in the wheels of Russian history.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 26 May 2014 09: 48
      0
      I totally agree with you. good
  24. Ross
    Ross 26 May 2014 08: 41
    0
    Quote: afire
    map of the Crimea ???
    Well friends, it is not right like that ...

    Regarding the topic - changed one cell of thieves to another.
    What will change? - nothing.
    What people died and die for? - just.
    We need to get the South-East out of this shit, they won't have enough "equipment".
    it's a pity

    Do not have time to start the election, he immediately held a gay parade! All for the sake of geyropy. I found poems in the topic, harsh but in fact. laughing
    NEVER YOU WILL BE EUROPE
    THOUGHT WORK YOUR MOUTH, AT LEAST
    YOU HAVE NO SPIRITS FREE
    YES, NOTHING IS ANYTHING.

    And the authorities have oligarchs AGAIN
    POWDERS, TIMES TREATED
    KOLOMOYSHY, PEDRESTERS,
    AVODAKOV'S PEDOPHILS HERE YOUR POWER !!!

    ALL MAYDAN YOUR CONTINUOUS Y-RODA,
    NEVER SEE YOU FREEDOMS
    FOR COOKIES AND FOR BOILED,
    YOU COUNTRY DECLINED IN A MOMENT !!!

    ALL Katsapy slaves - you are fighting!
    AND IN EUROPE, PARASHY WASHING,
    AND IN RUSSIA, PI..doI TRADE.
    YOU HAVE THEIR PEOPLE THE SAME!

    BUT YOU DO NOT NOTING THIS
    YOU'RE ACCUSING EVERYTHING.
    MO-SCALE YOUR COUNTRY SPILLED,
    YET YOU HAVE GOT ON THE MAYDAN :))

    YOU HIMSELFs HAMMER ALL THE TIME
    DUMPY IN PANTS TO YOU AND H-R IN BORSCH DID
    THE CRIMEA AT NENKA IS CHEATLY WELL
    WHILE BOWS ON THE MAIDAN SOZHALI :))

    DOWNLOAD SO DO NOT THINK
    And to the fascists, give your voice!
    PUT THE POINTS TO THE PEDRILS,
    SALA NO ??? SO SOAP SOAP :))
  25. RUS33
    RUS33 26 May 2014 08: 57
    +1
    He doesn’t recognize the choice of Crimea. We also need to see what will happen next.
  26. repytw
    repytw 26 May 2014 13: 01
    0
    Poroshenko, Putin recognizes and immediately demands to pay debts, but through them they will bargain.