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Why Russia does not recognize the presidential election in Ukraine

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German Chancellor Angela Merkel once again urged Russia to recognize the results of the May 25 elections in Ukraine. Say, Russia should join the assessment of the election results of the OSCE, as a member of the OSCE. Why, from what does it follow? But it should, and everything, such a democracy dictates at the European level ...

As we can see, the logic of “onizdeti” penetrates to the very top of the western political establishment: the “insanity of annexation” that has engulfed the West after the “Crimea” affects. We have already reached the annexation of the right of Russia to decide what to recognize and how to act. In order to justify Merkel, we can say that she works out her number in front of Washington, they say, I followed your recommendations, tried my best, you see ...

The fact is that the affairs of Washington in Ukraine are very bad, so that without direct political assistance from Russia, at least in the form of "recognition" of the Kiev regime, these affairs can simply collapse, as in Syria. But Russia cannot help Washington, for its actions in Ukraine are directed against it.

Formally, this is indicated by the fact that Russia did not send observers to the Ukrainian elections (hello to the OSCE and Merkel!), And Russia's political position on Ukraine, as the summit in St. Petersburg has just shown, has not changed at all. And why should it change, if the position of the West remains unchanged in ignoring even the frank, truly monstrous, Nazi crimes of the Kiev regime in Odessa, Mariupol, in the Donbas, ignoring the intimidation and murder of dissidents in the Russian-speaking regions of the country? If the requirement of federalization Bandera equated to "separatism"?

Another aspect, more important: recognition of elections held by the regime, in which neo-Nazis (Parubiy, Nalyvaychenko, Koval) are in the highest power positions, when they are already legally applying for the presidency (Yarosh, Tyagnibok, Lyashko) - recognition of the results of such elections equivalent to the recognition of Ukrainian Bandera Nazism.

In Ukraine, a tragedy occurred: extremists and neo-Nazis came to power as a result of a coup d'etat in Washington. Russia Nazis recognize the legitimate authority can not. For Russia, these elections are a test of the West for honesty and decency. The US has already failed because they brought the Nazis in Ukraine to power, and now they are trying to hide the traces of their crime with “democratic elections.”

But Europe, after the elections to the European Parliament 22-25 in May, still has a chance to pass the test of the “Ukrainian elections”. Merkel, Steinmeier, Barroso and other Washington vassals have no opinion here, but Marine Le Pen, Gysi and other “Euro-skeptics”, the so-called “new Europe” skeptics in relation to the “empire of good with the colt in the bosom”, has a special opinion on relation to the Ukrainian crisis. And it coincides with the opinion of Russia.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 24 May 2014 09: 00
    +4
    Why Russia does not recognize the presidential election in Ukraine
    In the light of recent events, I would not be so categorical ... Maybe so, and recognizes ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 May 2014 09: 02
      +107
      Quote: svp67
      In the light of recent events, I would not be so categorical ... Maybe so, and recognizes ...

      If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse.
      1. svp67
        svp67 24 May 2014 09: 11
        +26
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse.
        And it will go down to its usual meaning, so that later it would rise again with another success ... There is such a complicated political game that we can’t understand all its nuances now. It’s a pity that they play with human lives.
        1. elmi
          elmi 24 May 2014 11: 24
          +12
          If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse

          Yesterday, Vladimir Putin essentially hinted that he would recognize the elections in Ukraine verbatim. We will respect the choice of the Ukrainian people. Here is the video, the question of recognition itself and the answer from 8 minutes.
          1. DMB 1995
            DMB 1995 24 May 2014 11: 43
            +48
            GDP - "We will respect the choice of the Ukrainian people" - the only question is which people? western or southeastern? And these are two big differences ...
            1. halg
              halg 24 May 2014 12: 32
              +9
              I think the question is how many people will come to vote. (it’s clear that they will attribute it) The turnout can also be estimated using the indirect method. My friends from Kiev and Kharkov are not going to take part in this ...
              1. Spnsr
                Spnsr 24 May 2014 14: 41
                +1
                Quote: halg
                I think the question is how many people will come to vote. (it’s clear that they will attribute it) The turnout can also be estimated using the indirect method. My friends from Kiev and Kharkov are not going to take part in this ...

                I would emphasize here what steps the “chosen” president will take. the point is not who will come to the polls, but that he will be able to curb the Nazis and withdraw troops from the southeast
                1. macarque
                  macarque 24 May 2014 16: 19
                  +13
                  And he will not withdraw them (troops) and curb (Natsiks). Who would not be "chosen". the Americans are not sitting there for that. they need tension at our borders, they do it. and whoever the Americans choose in Ukraine will be either the war in the southeast, or a company against Russia.
                  1. Spnsr
                    Spnsr 24 May 2014 19: 20
                    +4
                    Quote: Macarka
                    And he will not withdraw them (troops) and curb (Natsiks). Who would not be "chosen". the Americans are not sitting there for that. they need tension at our borders, they do it. and whoever the Americans choose in Ukraine will be either the war in the southeast, or a company against Russia.

                    the fact of the matter is that under such circumstances, there will be no recognition of the legitimacy of elections.
                    In addition, in my opinion, the formation of the Republic of Novorossia just before the “election” of the President of Ukraine is a counterbalance to these elections. the point is that if there is no dialogue, then there will be a counterweight to Ukraine, and this, provided that the full-fledged institutions of power in Novorossia are maintained, is that Ukraine, but only the one that Russia wants to see.
                    those. for the West, you wanted us to recognize the legitimacy of the Ukrainian authorities, we recognized, and now Ukraine has regained the historical name Novorossia!
                    roughly shown by me, but the perspective on the face ...
                2. Cynic
                  Cynic 24 May 2014 17: 46
                  +3
                  A thousand hryvnias per day to volunteers fighting in the South-East against the DPR and LPR, and a million for relatives of the deceased!
                  And not afraid to get into a fuss!
                  Quote: SpnSr
                  he will be able to curb the Nazis and withdraw troops from the southeast

                  And who, or rather what forces, will do this? Curb?
                  1. Spnsr
                    Spnsr 24 May 2014 20: 11
                    +2
                    Quote: Cynic

                    And who, or rather what forces, will do this? Curb?

                    then what is it about?
                    question to the west: if the government does not want to seek a complete solution to the issue of New Russia, without killing, then is this the government? it’s not just a junta, it’s a killer, but cries for such a tribunal ...
                    1. Cynic
                      Cynic 25 May 2014 13: 22
                      +2
                      Quote: SpnSr
                      Is that the government?

                      Sorry, but the impression is that it is just such a government that the West recognizes for the GOVERNMENT! Sorry for taftology.
                      But the facts ...
                      It's creepy and interesting, no, it's just creepy now to follow the events in Ukraine.
                      The state is spreading before everyone's eyes!
                      X .. with him such a state, but people are dying!
                      And even signs of termination of this process, NO!
                      But there are more and more signs of developing democracy, according to the same West!
                      The genocide of the Slavic states continues!
                      When will they see clearly ?!
                      Coming soon?
                      1. Spnsr
                        Spnsr 25 May 2014 13: 54
                        +3
                        Quote: Cynic
                        Quote: SpnSr
                        Is that the government?

                        The genocide of the Slavic states continues!
                        When will they see clearly ?!
                        Coming soon?

                        but how else?
                        send troops and arrange genocide by ourselves? after all, those who are now under the tune of pen.dos.tana carry out genocide, too, the Slavs ...
                        and how many words will be seen in our understanding, and how many words will be seen in their understanding, because the latter will also have to be destroyed ....
                        as in another way, it’s better to slaughter the Slavs among themselves, God forgive me, on a small territory, than the massacres among themselves of the whole Russian world ...
                        how else, if there the death of a neighbor does not open his eyes, but, on the contrary, makes the hatskraynik an enemy of the Russian world?
                      2. Cynic
                        Cynic 25 May 2014 15: 52
                        0
                        Quote: SpnSr
                        but how else?

                        Yes, it’s clear.
                        A conversation about European universal people.
                        They don’t understand what forces they fed and brought to power in Ukraine ?!
                        Until the pogroms begin to see clearly?
                        Bell _
                        TV channel "Russia 24" reports that several correspondents from France and Italy went to the village of Andreevka near Slavyansk, but came under mortar fire. According to the TV channel, a photographer from France was hospitalized, while the fate of the Italian journalist and his translator is still unknown.
                        http://www.interfax.ru/world/377837

                        request
                      3. Spnsr
                        Spnsr 25 May 2014 18: 20
                        0
                        Quote: Cynic
                        Quote: SpnSr
                        but how else?

                        TV channel "Russia 24" reports that several correspondents from France and Italy went to the village of Andreevka near Slavyansk, but came under mortar fire. According to the TV channel, a photographer from France was hospitalized, while the fate of the Italian journalist and his translator is still unknown.
                        http://www.interfax.ru/world/377837

                        request

                        the more the junta makes mistakes, the sooner the population of Ukraine and the inhabitants of other states will see their eyes, the inhabitants of which were, sorry, sacrificed, and, or took part in their deaths!
                        maybe my thoughts are cruel, because people die there, but in a different way, in order to defeat the disease, you need a vaccine, and a vaccine that opens the eyes, victims, and victims of those who think that this does not concern them, no matter how pathetic and cruel did not sound.
                        I would like for this cruelty to apologize to those whom it touches
                      4. Turkir
                        Turkir 26 May 2014 08: 55
                        0
                        the more the junta will make mistakes

                        These are not mistakes in school essays, these are criminal CRIMES.
                3. Lyuba1965_01
                  Lyuba1965_01 25 May 2014 21: 36
                  0
                  I look at the world from under the table:
                  The twenty-first century is extraordinary.
                  Why is it more interesting for a historian,
                  Those for the contemporary are sadder.
          2. tehnoluks
            tehnoluks 24 May 2014 20: 41
            0
            She won’t even try. Devour himself.
        2. Kuznetsov
          Kuznetsov 25 May 2014 21: 58
          -2
          And among my friends (I myself am Kiev) I know only one who did not vote. This comrade did not make himself an absentee ballot on time, and saw him home all day. And then they look at him like an idiot. Even those who kept repeating earlier about their apoliticality would go to vote. Well, if people call the elections nae .. vkoy - their problems. If they do not believe in the elections, their problems are also.
        3. Kuznetsov
          Kuznetsov 25 May 2014 22: 06
          -3
          And yes ... we all vote for Yarosh. Yarosh's business cards are handed out right at the polling stations. We all vote for Yarosh. At the exit from the site everyone shouts "Death of mos ** holes !!!" and immediately eat bacon. And ignore the fact that Yarosh is gaining only 1 or 2 percent. You should know, we are all "Binderists" here, fascists and Nazis.
        4. Kuznetsov
          Kuznetsov 25 May 2014 22: 07
          0
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK50XV6ZHw0
      2. elmi
        elmi 24 May 2014 14: 21
        +8
        Quote: DMB 1995
        GDP - "We will respect the choice of the Ukrainian people" - the only question is which people? western or southeastern? And these are two big differences ...

        What does what people mean? he said that he was Ukrainian. The south east is no longer essentially Ukrainian, there was a referendum on independence and we recognized it, the southeast will not participate in the elections. Everyone except the southeast, that is, the Ukrainian people, will participate in the elections. elections are held, then the GDP will respect the choice of the people, which means it recognizes. My opinion is, why should we recognize the elections in Ukraine if the West does not want to recognize Crimea as Russian territory? but it is pressing that we would recognize the legitimacy of the Ukrainian elections, and this under the current president, Yanukovych? You can not push through the west!
      3. tol100v
        tol100v 24 May 2014 17: 01
        +2
        For the wording, analysis, and the concept of a question (and a very delicate diplomatic one), my respect for YOU.
      4. GRANATE-19
        GRANATE-19 25 May 2014 18: 47
        +2
        Quote: DMB 1995
        GDP - "We will respect the choice of the Ukrainian people" - the only question is which people? western or southeastern? And these are two big differences ...

        Quote: DMB 1995
        GDP - "We will respect the choice of the Ukrainian people" - the only question is which people? western or southeastern? And these are two big differences ...

        HERE IS THE OPINION OF THE UKRAINIAN SOUTH-EAST:
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    2. Gloria45
      Gloria45 24 May 2014 11: 51
      +19
      naverniaka chto-to zadumal
      1. Muadipus
        Muadipus 24 May 2014 12: 38
        +40
        Ukraine is a mysterious place. "Felt-tip pens can come to power there" (c) Garik Martirosyan.
        1. papas-57
          papas-57 26 May 2014 20: 04
          +1
          You might think that in Russia `` saints '' are fighting corruption, the same thief as in Ukraine
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    3. Victor Kamenev
      24 May 2014 17: 06
      +12
      "With respect to the choice of the Ukrainian people." A common phrase, the same expression was used for the referendums in the Donbass. The choice of the people must be respected, but is it possible to speak of the choice of the people under the fascist regime, when the full people are declared separatists?
      Putin is faithful to his tactics: do not rush, solve problems as they become available. He again "hung up" his counterparts, and they are forced to hang ...
      Putin cannot reverse his strategy, especially after the success with China, when Russia gained rear. Therefore, everything will remain as it is today: we do not recognize, we are discussing technical issues.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 26 May 2014 08: 58
        +1
        These choices will go down in HISTORY called:
        BLOOD ELECTIONS.

        Poroshenko BLOODY PRESIDENT.
    4. tehnoluks
      tehnoluks 24 May 2014 20: 40
      +6
      In fact, the words of GDP can mean only one thing - what you choose, so live. We will not interfere. We don’t need an alien, but we’ll take our own, no matter who it belongs to.
      1. topograf
        topograf 27 May 2014 07: 28
        0
        If we proceed from the last postulate of the comment, then there will be claims, and not small ones, to our Drezhnev ... what laughing
    5. g1v2
      g1v2 24 May 2014 20: 46
      +9
      If you noticed, he didn’t say anywhere that we recognize them, as they did not ask him. He said that the election is illegal, but we will work with whoever they choose. Simply put, if the piglet behaves correctly after the election, we will recognize it. If the Turkish woman continues to pursue politics, then no. And the recognition or non-recognition of the election results has nothing to do with the recognition of New Russia. The main requirement for the piglet is to stop the atom. If he stops it, the army of New Russia will be finally formed, authorities will be formed and they will take control of the region.
      We recognize Novorossia when its government will completely control the territory. In any case, legally and practically, recognition alone will not produce anything. Abkhazia and South Ossetia were not recognized for 20 years and nothing, the moment was recognized. If there is at least some channel or border between us and Transnistria, then we will recognize it. It is much more important that New Russia actually become a state. Abkhazians and Ossetians fought off the Georgians at one time, and I believe that Novorossia is also capable of gaining independence. Arms are quite enough in the warehouses of ukrov on the territory of the Don and Lugansk regions. Ukrainians cannot use aviation and hail, because they are afraid of our reaction. In general, everyone in the hands of the Donetsk people wants freedom, so they must take it themselves.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 25 May 2014 13: 25
        0
        Quote: g1v2
        if the piglet behaves correctly after the election, we will recognize it.

        Rather, they will resolve issues with him, but they will not recognize him, CALIFUS ON AN HOUR.
    6. vfck
      vfck 25 May 2014 00: 57
      +4
      Let's just say V.V. Putin said that he would support the people of Ukraine and their choice, not the government itself. And we judge so that more than 4 mil people, and this is the eastern part of Ukraine, will not go to the presidential elections, then what kind of elections can be discussed.
      and hinted that he would not give up the east.
      1. VPavel
        VPavel 25 May 2014 02: 16
        +2
        Quote: vfck
        Let's just say V.V. Putin said that he would support the people of Ukraine and their choice, not the government itself. And we judge so that more than 4 mil people, and this is the eastern part of Ukraine, will not go to the presidential elections, then what kind of elections can be discussed.
        and hinted that he would not give up the east.


        I totally agree.
        Just wanted to write the same thing, almost word for word.
  2. Blondy
    Blondy 24 May 2014 13: 50
    +11
    There is such a complicated political game that we cannot understand all its nuances now.
    Therefore, it is advisable to maintain freedom of maneuver, may Ukraine and the West be suspended.
  3. figter
    figter 24 May 2014 17: 37
    +6
    He can admit that, but the elections are held with the deprivation of the right to vote of voters in two regions, because from their (Ukraine) point of view, Lugansk and Donetsk regions are part of Ukraine. Nowhere in the media have I seen deployed polling stations in these territories, or at least in the no-man's land "in a dugout." Where are at least prepared ballots for voting? Thus, these elections can be recognized only if Ukraine recognizes the federalization of these territories. Otherwise, the elections are illegal.
  • marder4
    marder4 24 May 2014 09: 20
    +6
    I completely agree...
  • from punk
    from punk 24 May 2014 09: 34
    +33
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse.

    and who said that he recognizes. Respect the choice of Ukrainians and recognize the election is not the same thing. Moreover, it seems to me that the elections will not take place and Europe knows this because it is already preparing the next sanctions against Russia in connection with the elections on May 27
    1. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 24 May 2014 10: 01
      +20
      and who said that he recognizes. Respect the choice of Ukrainians and recognize the election is not the same

      This is the right thought! ... It’s not necessary to acknowledge ... and we will work ... with them ... After all, we worked with the banderlogs and junta in Crimea in February-April of this year .....
      And before that, with Saakashvili in August 2008 in the South. Ossetia and Georgia ... how we work constantly with bandits in Dagestan ...
      Therefore, WE WILL WORK! How??? The time and practice of the new president will show ....
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 24 May 2014 13: 16
        +2
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        It’s not necessary to recognize ... but we will work ... with them ...


        Naturally, after all, debts must be knocked out of them. They don’t want to speak our language, we will speak European - don’t pay, it means into a debt hole. You can speak anything there.
        1. Spnsr
          Spnsr 24 May 2014 18: 53
          +1
          Quote: mamont5
          Quote: KazaK Bo
          It’s not necessary to recognize ... but we will work ... with them ...


          Naturally, after all, debts must be knocked out of them. They don’t want to speak our language, we will speak European - don’t pay, it means into a debt hole. You can speak anything there.

          Quote: mamont5
          Quote: KazaK Bo
          It’s not necessary to recognize ... but we will work ... with them ...


          Naturally, after all, debts must be knocked out of them. They don’t want to speak our language, we will speak European - don’t pay, it means into a debt hole. You can speak anything there.

          by the way, one way to recognize the legitimacy of the election is to take from the new government the money they owe Russia for gas ...
          those. if the "chosen" power behaves consistently with respect to the southeast, Natsiks, and debt for gas, then accordingly the attitude on the part of Russia will develop, up to the point that these relations will reach the recognition of power in Kiev
          1. ty60
            ty60 26 May 2014 22: 03
            0
            There are much more debts than voiced. Fines for gas shortages are many times greater.
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    3. zanoza
      zanoza 24 May 2014 11: 46
      +4
      hi
      Quote: punk
      and who said that he admits

      Tooting.
      Ukraine will make its choice, it will be what part of the population, from those with voting rights, not to recognize the very fact of the choice made is not logical. Those. PEOPLE made a decision and elected a new President.
      Russia can "respect" this choice.
      About this and in such a wording, it will be expressed Russian attitude only to the result of the choice of part of the people.
      The legitimacy of the election itself, the procedure for their conduct, possible violations, non-participation of certain territories and population groups in this choice - this applies to the sphere of Ukrainian current legislation and its Constitution.
      This is hardly recognized by Russia.
      Our answer to a direct question: "Does Russia recognize the Presidential elections in Ukraine and their results?" - will sound streamlined like this: "We respect the choice of the Ukrainian people."
      Our President has already said this.
      With regard to the referendum held in Eastern Ukraine, Russia used the same wording. Replacing the word "respect" with "with respect"that sounds softer, more cordial.
    4. ty60
      ty60 26 May 2014 21: 59
      -1
      sanctions against m.atrasov already signed in China.
  • Lyokha79
    Lyokha79 24 May 2014 09: 38
    +35
    Listen, stop playing "chamomile" - he admits, he doesn't. Vladimir Vladimirovich said more than once, and yesterday expressed himself quite clearly on this matter. If someone listened attentively to his answers to the journalist's questions, then he could hear a number of reasons for not recognizing the results of the "elections" in Ukraine. Among all the others, there is one, probably the most important - Ukraine has a current president. Yanukovych did not die, did not resign, and he was not impeached.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 24 May 2014 09: 57
      +1
      Quote: Lyokha79
      Yanukovych is not dead
      Yah!!! Isn't that true?
      Although yes ... I have not heard an obituary on him. But then WHERE IS IT?
      Why is silent? Has speech taken away from fear?
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 24 May 2014 10: 22
        +10
        Quote: Corsair
        I haven’t heard an obituary on him. But WHERE IS IT SAME?

        Have you ever heard such an expression "political corpse"?
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 24 May 2014 10: 30
          +8
          Quote: Nagan
          Have you ever heard such an expression "political corpse"?

          I will answer "in Jewish" with a question to the question: Did you notice LIGHT SARKAZM in the text of my commentary?

          Or did American straightforward thinking and pragmatism completely shut your eyes?
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 24 May 2014 11: 16
        +1
        Quote: Corsair
        Yah!!! Isn't that true?


        Have you already Yanyka leaked not only for yourself, but also buried?
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 24 May 2014 11: 25
          +3
          Quote: RUSS
          Are you already Yanyka not only for yourself?

          I ??? Yes, he IS MYSELF with his multiple INACTIVITY as president
          Quote: RUSS
          leaked and buried
          ...

          Give at least ONE MUCH MULTIPLE argument for his activities NOW to restore order to territory...
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 24 May 2014 12: 07
        +11
        Gentlemen (?), Pans (?), Comrades (?) "Minusants", JUSTIFY, (there are no "minuses", in this case they are "to the light"), but YOUR POSITION regarding the "activities" of Yanukovych, who as the rat sat down in Russia and has done NOTHING since its EPIC RESURRECTION
        Quote: Viktor Yanukovych
        I have not died ...
        .

        To the point that he "smokes the Russian sky" ???
        WHERE does it belong to "AS AN ACTING PRESIDENT"?
        1. Alexey N
          Alexey N 24 May 2014 15: 54
          +8
          If you look, he is the direct culprit of the civil war in Ukraine. The inaction of the PRESIDENT is a crime. And his actions were a continuation of the Russophobic policy of his predecessors.
          Give it to the Donetsk or Lugansk republic, let them judge. All the same, in Russia there is no sense in him.

          PS I didn’t minus smile
          1. macarque
            macarque 24 May 2014 16: 30
            +3
            I agree with the guilt in the policy of inaction, but to judge in the Donetsk-Lugansk Republic ... Pity the people, they are alone against the entire Kodla from Kiev geyropi, and Americanokos. They must be helped by deeds, and not political corpses sent there
            1. Alexey N
              Alexey N 24 May 2014 17: 58
              +1
              I do not argue and support
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 24 May 2014 23: 29
            0
            Quote: Alexey N
            PS I didn’t minus

            This is already clear from the content of your comment. Thank you.
          3. Cynic
            Cynic 25 May 2014 13: 34
            0
            Quote: Alexey N
            If you look, he is the direct culprit of the civil war in Ukraine.

            Or let the abscess break through?
            For an attempt, just for an attempt, he would be kicked out of his post instantly or repose.
            Maidan traditions however.
            And now their bestial one, forgive me animals, the gut is in full view of everyone and the further you go, the more difficult it is to mask its fascist essence.
            If only you could cook fried eggs without breaking eggs!
            Eh people, as we are blind _ ONE ONE!
        2. Nonik
          Nonik 24 May 2014 18: 24
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          WHERE does it belong to "AS AN ACTING PRESIDENT"?
          He was late to try to head the southeast (perhaps it would not have been possible, but at least something), and now it's too late. That is silent.
          Although it is possible that he is, as a trump card, hidden in the sleeve.
          In general, then Ukraine should impeach the procedure according to all the rules - why doesn’t it do it? Rada - own, judges of the Constitutional Court - own laughing Cook any porridge.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 24 May 2014 18: 37
            +2
            Quote: NoNick
            judges of the Constitutional Court - their

            Does he have this court?
            The Verkhovna Rada, which came under the control of opponents of President Viktor Yanukovych, passed a resolution on the dismissal of 5 judges of the Constitutional Court. According to the publication of Comments, by decision of the Rada, 5 judges of the Constitutional Court appointed by parliamentary quota were dismissed. In addition, the Rada invited the acting head of the country, Alexander Turchinov, to dismiss all other representatives in this judicial body.

            Maybe I would like to, but no way! And this is a long procedure! Not long for the revolutions!
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 24 May 2014 23: 39
            +2
            Quote: NoNick
            Rada - own

            The number of votes required for the resignation without the PR and the Communists is NOT ENOUGH, that's why the first attempt (hot on the trail) of impeachment failed ...
        3. leshachok64
          leshachok64 25 May 2014 01: 44
          0
          To be honest, you yourself know where
        4. Spnsr
          Spnsr 25 May 2014 18: 26
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          Gentlemen (?), Pans (?), Comrades (?) "Minusants", JUSTIFY, (there are no "minuses", in this case they are "to the light"), but YOUR POSITION regarding the "activities" of Yanukovych, who as the rat sat down in Russia and has done NOTHING since its EPIC RESURRECTION
          Quote: Viktor Yanukovych
          I have not died ...
          .

          To the point that he "smokes the Russian sky" ???
          WHERE does it belong to "AS AN ACTING PRESIDENT"?

          right away, I didn’t minus, but, his place is now to stay alive as long as possible .... until the newly elected president makes the Russian Federation recognize him
        5. ty60
          ty60 26 May 2014 22: 08
          -1
          its place in the anus. No, too fresh. In the cesspool.
    2. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 10: 05
      +11
      Quote: Lyokha79
      Among all the others, there is one, probably the most important, Ukraine has an acting president. Yanukovych did not die, did not resign, and he was not impeached.

      Regarding legitimacy, they say there are 3 answers
      Yes, no and does not matter.
      So with respect to Yanukovych, legitimacy doesn’t matter anymore and it’s silly to keep clinging to it
      Yanukovych is first of all nobody for the Ukrainian people. he turned into nobody — having fled the country (by the way, I won’t believe that pravoseki could threaten the president so much) under whose control there were not only security services but also the army. Or they refused to defend him the same. then what kind of legitimacy can we talk about?
      You can of course cling to Yanukovych, as well as remember the tsar - father - there are a lot of emotions - zero sense
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 24 May 2014 10: 12
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        You can of course cling to Yanukovych, as well as remember the tsar - father - there are a lot of emotions - zero sense
        How not bitterly aware of the cowardice of Yanuponchik, but I have to agree with you ...
        If at the very beginning of the protests in the Donbass this despicable poet appeared there and at least spoke something, then we could talk about something, and so request ...
      2. Stanislas
        Stanislas 24 May 2014 10: 49
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        Yanukovych is first of all nobody for the Ukrainian people. he turned into nobody - escaping from the country
        History knows many examples when the first persons who escaped from the country lived in exile for a long time, and some later returned. Your fantasies about miraculous transformations into "nobody" are obviously inspired by the propaganda of those for whom the Ukrainian law and constitution were originally nothing.
        Quote: atalef
        by the way, I won’t believe that pravoseki could threaten the president so much
        Your faith in law enforcement knows no bounds and can only be compared with your imagination.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 10: 54
          0
          Quote: Stanislav
          History knows many examples when its first persons who escaped from the country lived for a long time in exile, and some later returned.

          but most (and absolute) in exile and died

          Quote: Stanislav
          Your fantasies about miraculous transformations into "nobody" are obviously inspired by the propaganda of those for whom the Ukrainian law and constitution were originally nothing.

          I speak a personal opinion. the runaway president is no longer the president. Or like Allende - or nothing. Yanukovych chose the second

          Quote: Stanislav
          Your faith in law enforcement knows no bounds and can only be compared with your imagination.

          I do not believe in lawless bearers. Anyway, they hit me on the drum.
          Like Yanukovych, by the way, the same thing.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 24 May 2014 11: 01
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            I do not believe in lawless bearers. Anyway, they hit me on the drum.
            Like Yanukovych, by the way, the same thing.

            In autodaf in Odessa, too, then do not believe it ?!
            I understand everything on the drum for you, only when the rollback goes to Kolomia’s affairs, he won’t touch it!
            It will hurt others And it’s clear to everyone!
            Prepare another wave of the Exodus to the Promised Land ?!
            Let's hope do without very big sacrifices!
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 May 2014 11: 20
              -6
              Quote: Cynic
              In autodaf in Odessa, too, then do not believe it ?!

              Why? I believe. I know the consequences. But why. why, how and what - no one knows yet. I hope there will be an honest and transparent investigation. If not, no one will know the truth. (Of mere mortals) I generally rarely form an opinion based on only one source of information. in the meantime there are only 2 of them - Russian or Ukrainian news. I consider both biased and not objective. Therefore, we will wait for someone independent.
              Of course, I feel sorry for people. Well, who and why - in the world there are so many surprises

              Quote: Cynic
              when the rollback goes to the affairs of Kolomia, then he will not touch him

              you know. I did not know this name before these events (like 99%). And what will happen to him is somehow vseravno.

              Quote: Cynic
              Prepare another wave of the Exodus to the Promised Land

              I have always been for that. that Jews would live in Israel (like me) - but this is a personal choice for everyone.

              Quote: Cynic
              Let's hope do without very big sacrifices!

              Your words. yes to God’s ears. Amen. hi
              1. thimble
                thimble 24 May 2014 13: 30
                +16
                Quote: atalef
                Russian or Ukrainian news. I consider both biased and not objective

                You, dear, are straightforward, like that rabbi from the joke: "... - Moses, what are you talking about? And Izya is right, and Abram is right. But this does not happen!
                - And you, Sarah, are right! "
          2. Stanislas
            Stanislas 24 May 2014 11: 14
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            I speak a personal opinion. the runaway president is no longer the president.
            One can already argue with this. We can recall Babrak Karmal, who gained popularity in Afghanistan against the background of Najibullah, already hiding in the USSR. It is not in vain that they rush with George Baramia in Georgia. And some countries even equipped and trained the Georgian army for this case, so that they "restore the rule of law" in South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Popularity is a profitable business and a temporary condition, while the legitimacy for political existence is a more reliable foundation. But when you, on behalf of the Ukrainian people, talk about the transformation of their president, it only brings a smile. hi
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 24 May 2014 11: 27
              +5
              Quote: Stanislav
              One can argue with this

              Sorry, I'm interfering a bit ...
              Such a strange and curious phenomenon - Yatsenyuk urgently "demanded" (well, demanding ones from us, they always only demand, and from anyone) to convene a meeting of the UN Security Council just within the time frame of the event, but immediately after, for some reason, no gu-gu. An interesting coincidence. It is quite possible to tie the "Volnovakha operation" to it, which was supposed to serve as "arguments" for ...

              Everything else, all adequate citizens could be painted in advance. What, who and how to say ... Noodles for the layman are kneading for several days ... The ingredients are standard, the recipe is known by heart.

              The next time "H" is just coming up in the program within the framework of the program developed in Langley ... But with the implementation of the plan, something is somehow in the wrong steppe. And these gentlemen do not particularly like to make adjustments to their plans, because they really consider them "idial", because the Americans do everything only ideally, and if someone does not understand this, then they simply have not grown civilizationally to their level. In general, maskal, or not skip

              In my opinion, everything is easier!
              A PLAN was presented. PLAN has been approved! Funded !!

              And the situation got out of control.
              Need a new PLAN.

              And this time, coordination, justification, etc.

              Meanwhile, the situation continues to develop according to its unplanned scenario ...
              1. atalef
                atalef 24 May 2014 11: 35
                +4
                Quote: Egoza
                Need a new PLAN.

                good
              2. Little Muck
                Little Muck 24 May 2014 12: 15
                +5
                Quote: Egoza
                Need a new PLAN.

                And the "friends" from Holland began to collect a new transmission. laughing
                So that the "pipe of peace" continues to smoke and is not accidentally buried. fool
              3. Motors1991
                Motors1991 24 May 2014 15: 26
                -24%
                Did my son leave the cops? Something tells me that he drives a car with a Ukrainian flag and promises to put his life for the one and indivisible nenka Ukraine, while you pee your libelous things here. Whether we have legitimate or not is not Putin to decide, and in any case not to bribe-tellers, like the author, there is still the opinion of Ukrainians on this matter.
                1. Alekseev
                  Alekseev 24 May 2014 17: 11
                  +8
                  Quote: Motors1991
                  while you pee your libelous here.

                  Hamid Svidomo, however.
                  But okay, if "lampoons" take place, then what exactly?
                  And where does the son? Is the coping bad? Well, nothing, now instead of the police there are maydaunas, beauty ... yes
                  And as for the legitimacy of your chosen one - you hurried.
                  It is Putin who will decide this issue for Russia, therefore they are interested in his opinion, and not you.
                  With you something, broad-shouldered, everything has been clear for a long time.
                  And the leader has long been chosen, without any opinion or reason.
                  For even the idiots who roared on the Maidan: "tse Europe, Bandera come and put things in order", etc.
                  it is clear that from theirs it turned out not at all that they didn’t want that, and it will be further even more famously.
                  But at the same time, nobody especially asks them, and maydaunov, and other Ukrainians.
                2. poquello
                  poquello 24 May 2014 23: 25
                  +2
                  Quote: Motors1991
                  ... And whether we will have legitimacy or not, it is not up to Putin to decide, and in any case not for bribe-takers, like the author, there is still the opinion of Ukrainians on this matter.

                  About how, nafigoshel, my opinion about any events - this is my opinion, and there will be the opinion of Putin and the so-called Borodists and many many people, it is their right to have an opinion. Elections are already illegitimate, because the election campaign has numerous violations that can radically affect the result, and only hypocrites do not recognize this. So choose your president Khreschatyk, for me it will be such until the normal fair elections that ensure the democratic rights and freedoms of voters and candidates will not be held. 5 years with a dictator - not too much?
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                4. raf
                  raf 25 May 2014 00: 35
                  +5
                  So Putin is not going to decide for ukrov. For ukrov, the whole west has decided and is deciding, slaves are yellow-black!
                  1. St. Bernard
                    St. Bernard 25 May 2014 17: 15
                    +1
                    not ukrov and Ukrainians! (not to be confused with Bendery) do not say what you do not know! look for Donbass !!!
                5. avia1991
                  avia1991 25 May 2014 03: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: Motors1991
                  There is still the opinion of Ukrainians on this subject.

                  and besides, VO is one of the few places in the world where such an Hero is allowed to express this opinion! Someone asked you in your homeland how and what to do next in Ukraine? .. No. AND DO NOT ASK - you will do what the geyropa decides for you. Or - what will be fortunately for you - our President will agree to make such a decision.
                6. Cynic
                  Cynic 25 May 2014 13: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Motors1991
                  There is still the opinion of Ukrainians on this subject.

                  Indeed, it is NOT NOT UKRAINIAN to decide.
                  That's just it purely legal issue whether you want it or not.
                  So, unfortunately, these elections are FARS.
                  In fact, I am amazed at the blindness of the Ukrainians and the cowardice of the current Kiev authorities.
                  Having made a violent seizure of power, they never recognized this!
                  You can’t sit on two chairs at once.
                7. Spnsr
                  Spnsr 25 May 2014 19: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Motors1991
                  Did my son leave the cops? Something tells me that he drives a car with a Ukrainian flag and promises to put his life for the one and indivisible nenka Ukraine, while you pee your libelous things here. Whether we have legitimate or not is not Putin to decide, and in any case not to bribe-tellers, like the author, there is still the opinion of Ukrainians on this matter.

                  poor! your comment is only sympathy, no matter how funny it sounds ....
                  the fact is that there is no opinion of the Ukrainian people, there is the opinion of the State Department pen.dos.tana, understand this at last, if you do not want pity as a fool to turn into pity for a wretched
                8. ty60
                  ty60 26 May 2014 22: 37
                  -1
                  answer for yourself, not for anyone’s children. Only argues if there’s nothing to really say
            2. atalef
              atalef 24 May 2014 11: 27
              -4
              Quote: Stanislav
              This can already be argued.

              You can’t argue with that. This is not a monarch - a presidency, not a succession that implies the right a priori. The president is elected on the basis of the confidence of the people. having escaped and betraying the people - he loses this legitimation

              Quote: Stanislav
              . You can recall Babrak Karmal, who gained popularity in Afghanistan against the background of Najibullah, already hiding in the USSR.

              Oh well . more like that. Babrak Karmal shot the USSR. putting Najibullah (it’s not strange that Karmal’s life is saving it) Whatever Karmal is gaining popularity (although where did you get it) rules from Afghanistan - Ahmad Shah Masood - and you know why? Because he fought for him and didn’t run away

              Quote: Stanislav
              But when you talk about the transformations of their president on behalf of the Ukrainian people, it causes only a smile

              Just do not ascribe to me the opinion of the Ukrainian people. I express my personal opinion and may partially the opinion of my Ukrainian wife and her Ukrainian relatives
              In doing so, I say. that this is just my opinion
              You, as I understand it. you have neither direct nor even indirect relation to Ukraine - you affirm nevertheless. that your opinion is the only true one.
              1. Stanislas
                Stanislas 24 May 2014 13: 02
                0
                Quote: atalef
                President is elected on the basis of the confidence of the people.
                About trust - you are confusing it with a leader. And the president is elected and deposed on the basis of procedures defined by law.
              2. Stanislas
                Stanislas 24 May 2014 16: 30
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                Just do not ascribe to me the opinion of the Ukrainian people
                I do not ascribe to you the "opinion of the Ukrainian people", you directly voice it in your comment:
                Quote: atalef
                Yanukovych is first of all nobody for the Ukrainian people. he turned into nobody - escaping from the country
                You not only "know" the opinion of the people better than the people themselves, but you also "know" at what moment and for what reason it took shape.
              3. poquello
                poquello 24 May 2014 23: 36
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                ... The president is elected on the basis of the confidence of the people. having escaped and betraying the people - he loses this legitimation
                ...

                who is losing?
              4. Cynic
                Cynic 25 May 2014 13: 52
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                having escaped and betraying the people - he loses this legitimation

                And it says a representative of the nation in which the number of lawyers in general rolls over !
            3. ty60
              ty60 26 May 2014 22: 32
              -1
              Under the runaway oligarchic ex-president - the Fed, there isn’t even enough cabbage to raise him up to his shield.
          3. avia1991
            avia1991 24 May 2014 11: 56
            +8
            Quote: atalef
            Anyway, they hit me on the drum.
            Like Yanukovych, by the way, the same thing.

            Correctly. What do you care about OUR problems .. I’m wondering why the Israeli leadership does not have a single opinion on the fascist ways of Kolomoisky?
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 May 2014 12: 23
              -3
              Quote: avia1991
              equal. What do you care about OUR problems .. I’m wondering why the Israeli leadership does not have a single opinion on the fascist ways of Kolomoisky?

              is. Liberman Minister of Foreign Affairs
              Mikhail Dzhaginov: Everything is clear. So, Crimea, Russia, Israel and new disagreements with the "older brother" - the United States. Honestly, we wanted to raise this topic not last week, but you were abroad, and several members of the government, your colleagues, refused to discuss this issue, from which we concluded that the rumors that Benjamin Netanyahu had forbidden to speak publicly on this topic are true. I think that for you, as a senior coalition partner, this is probably still permissible as the head of the foreign policy department. Please tell me why Israel did not support sanctions against Russia?

              Avigdor Lieberman: Let's see what happens in the Internet community, and what happens on social networks, in our Jewish Russian-speaking community in Israel. Everyone cuts with each other, some for Russia, others for Ukraine. I have such a strange position - I am for Israel. I am not for Ukraine, not for Russia - but for Israel. I really respect both Ukraine and Russia.

              Mikhail Dzhaginov: You heard a joke that the first war between Russia and Ukraine is on the Internet. No one was killed, but many were injured in the head.

              Avigdor Lieberman: Yes. This is most likely the case.

              Mikhail Dzhaginov: So, why didn’t Israel support the sanctions?

              Avigdor Lieberman: Israel, first of all, has its own interests. We always uphold them. And every time we have any disagreements, and even with Washington. I remember six and a half years ago, or seven years ago, I received a phone call from Condoleezza Rice - why don't you support the recognition of Kosovo? As you remember, Kosovo was the brainchild of Condoleezza Rice, and the Americans very much asked all their allies to support. Israel refused. Again, because of their specific interests, as Spain and Greece refused to do so, also based on their interests. And therefore, in this conflict between Russia and Ukraine, Israel must, above all, proceed from its interests. With all due respect, to Ukraine, and to Russia, and to the USA.
              Mikhail Dzhaginov: But did you indirectly support the Russian side? The fact that you refused to impose sanctions.

              Avigdor Lieberman: We support our own interests. And our own interests, first of all, is the decision of the Iranian nuclear program, this is the destruction of chemical weapons in Syria and so on. To solve our problems, we need close cooperation between the United States and Russia, and not an escalation between the two powers. Therefore, the Israeli position is very clear - we are trying to do everything we can to ensure that the positions of all these states come closer. And, let's take the other way around, say, if Israel takes some position. Does this help somehow resolve the conflict? Does this somehow affect the resolution of the conflict? No. No way.

              Mikhail Dzhaginov: That is, it is better to be wise than fair in this situation?

              Avigdor Lieberman: I believe that every state should, first of all, proceed from its foreign policy line and its interests. This is what everyone is doing, and this is what we will do.
              1. Stanislas
                Stanislas 24 May 2014 17: 05
                +7
                atalef
                Minister Lieberman here does not assess Kolomoisky and his manners, as asked by avia1991. I would say that Kolomoisky is mistakenly recorded as anti-Semitic on the grounds that he supports the Banderaites. I think that his support is in the nature of a gesheft, in no way directed against the Jews. For Bandera, the main enemy is mo * ali, and the Jews are in second place. Until the main enemy is defeated, the Jews, especially those who give money, information or other support to the Banderaites, are allies (the nickname "ZhYdobanderovtsy" may be offensive to Jews, but it contributes to an increase in the level of security of Jews in conditions of weak Bandera government). Kolomoisky, nmv, rightly believes that the mo * ali will not be broken by kakli very soon and he will have time, under the veil of helping the Bandera people, to squeeze out some additional assets of Independent, hoping to live to a ripe old age and die a natural death.
                1. Captain45
                  Captain45 24 May 2014 23: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Stanislav
                  For Bandera, the main enemy is mos * al, and the Jews are in second place.

                  But what about the slogan of the Maidan - "Let's drown the mos.k.a.l.ei in the zh.i.d.o.v.sk.y blood!" what
                  1. Stanislas
                    Stanislas 25 May 2014 08: 40
                    0
                    Quote: Captain45
                    But what about the slogan of the Maidan - "Let's drown the mos.k.a.l.ei in the zh.i.d.o.v.sk.y blood!"
                    This slogan only confirms the fact of Bandera’s hatred of Russians and Jews. This is related Svidomo with the German fascists. But this slogan does not negate the fact that for the German Nazis, the political situation before WWII was such that they considered Jews to be the main enemies, and the ukrofashists have a different political situation, therefore they see Russians as their main enemies.
                2. St. Bernard
                  St. Bernard 25 May 2014 17: 33
                  0
                  you're right! but I very much doubt (and hope) that he will answer for everything earlier !!!
              2. avia1991
                avia1991 25 May 2014 03: 14
                0
                Thanks, interesting quote. But there is not a word about Kolomoisky, and the condemnation of his pro-fascist activity. For the rest, do not be offended! - A quite adequate and typically Jewish position. This is neither good nor bad, from my point of view - it is just CHARACTERISTIC.
                1. ty60
                  ty60 26 May 2014 22: 48
                  0
                  and believe me, both the IDF and Mossad are behind the scenes.
          4. Corsair
            Corsair 24 May 2014 12: 13
            0
            Quote: atalef
            I speak a personal opinion. the runaway president is no longer the president. Or like Allende - or nothing. Yanukovych chose the second

            In this case, this is exactly the case, although he had a chance to reverse the situation when, at the very beginning of the protests in the southeast, protesters in Lugansk, Donetsk, Kharkov called on him: "Come back, lead the resistance..."

            Once again I was CRUSIED, SMALODUSHNICHAL ???
            1. St. Bernard
              St. Bernard 25 May 2014 17: 44
              0
              the key word was-STRUSIL when it was possible to put EVERYTHING in its place! I couldn’t tear myself away from the golden toilet!
      3. Erg
        Erg 24 May 2014 11: 23
        0
        There are too many "oddities" in Yanukovych's behavior to be perceived as an acting political figure. My personal opinion is that it is not adequate
      4. avia1991
        avia1991 24 May 2014 11: 52
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Yanukovych first of all, no one for the Ukrainian people

        And the Constitution of Ukraine, which has remained unchanged, is also, in your opinion, "nobody"? And this is the main law of the state, which cannot be redrawn by adopting amendments within the framework of the illegitimate pro-fascist Rada. And according to this Constitution, Yanukovych is the legitimate President until 2015! By the way, Putin reminded of this yesterday too ..
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 12: 28
          -5
          Quote: avia1991
          And the Constitution of Ukraine, which has remained unchanged, is also, in your opinion, "nobody"?

          the constitution of Russia records the right to work. equality and universal health care and education. How?
          He has the right to return and declare (by the way, like you, about all your rights) - so how?
          Something tells me. that the only one who does not allow him to return to Ukraine is he.

          Quote: avia1991
          And under this Constitution, Yanukovych is the rightful President until 2015! By the way, Putin reminded of this yesterday too ..

          Well, let him get it back.
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 24 May 2014 19: 37
            0
            Alek.sanya, (you will allow me to call myself that, after all we are both "immigrants")?
            According to some who saw / humbly apologize only to you / your face, it is typical for residents of Ryazan or Smolensk than Galilee.
            Your incomparably charming little wife pulled you to a foreign land? But does this give you the right to speak badly of THE PLACES where YOUR ancestors ran naked *, you yourself, and maybe, with a favorable outcome, your children ...
            Russia "sooooo big and fat" ...
            Can it be that in your very nooks and crannies of your soul the call to SLAVIC ROOTS does not stir?
            Wife .......... And I have a wife. Chuvash. I love her for 11 years. And I especially love the 2 night.
            Count up, Alex.an, I lived for 8 years in Germashka, I was knocked off the pontalyku "Return ...", and now it is breaking "back" home on Monday .... Home is in Zildemore .....

            Are the kids big? Throw jiudovka. Come back to the bosom of the Christian church - otherwise you ** yashka in the hole.
            Not at hi Mut, they don’t understand here ...
          2. poquello
            poquello 24 May 2014 23: 51
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: avia1991
            And the Constitution of Ukraine, which has remained unchanged, is also, in your opinion, "nobody"?

            the constitution of Russia records the right to work. equality and universal health care and education. How?
            .

            and which of these is not there? catch the sleepers
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        2. St. Bernard
          St. Bernard 25 May 2014 17: 49
          +1
          I'm from Mariupol. If you see the turnout, do not believe it in the elections !!! the city is empty (we are waiting for the attacks of the right-wingers)
      5. Lyokha79
        Lyokha79 24 May 2014 12: 54
        +1
        I agree with you that Yanukovych is a political corpse and for the people he is zero without a stick. But from the point of view of law, he remains valid, legally elected and, as a result, a legitimate president. Russia, unlike our Western "partners", acts within the framework of international law and Yanukovych is needed as proof of the illegality of any actions of both the junta and the West.
      6. APASUS
        APASUS 24 May 2014 17: 56
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        So, with respect to Yanukovych, legitimacy does not matter anymore and it’s foolish to continue to cling to it. Yanukovych is, first of all, no one for the Ukrainian people. he turned into nobody - escaping from the country

        If a country wants to build a state on the basis of laws, then when do these laws come into effect and why do they act for some and not for others? as And About the President. On the basis of which Turchinov took this post.
        Quote: atalef
        ) under whose control there were not only security services but also the army.

        Who owns the Security Council of Ukraine if ........... SBU is directly led by a person with a US passport (here even a photo of a passport has recently been posted on this resource), the US ambassador gives shoulder straps to SBU officers And what kind of army is visible from the battles in Slavyansk .
        Quote: atalef
        You can of course cling to Yanukovych, as well as remember the tsar - father - there are a lot of emotions - zero sense

        Clinging to Yanukovych or not does not play a big role. If the laws in the state are only partially effective, then what is it better than the previous ?? There, though people were not burned and killed with the help of aviation and artillery.
      7. Cynic
        Cynic 24 May 2014 18: 45
        0
        Quote: atalef
        What kind of legitimacy can we talk about?

        About legal, or Maidan has stepped there too?
      8. Andrey Gladkikh
        Andrey Gladkikh 24 May 2014 22: 32
        +2
        They don't cling to Yanukovych. It is used to "suspend" the situation with legitimacy, and hence the situation with the "recognition" of elections. While it is beneficial to Yanukovych, it should be mentioned.
      9. ty60
        ty60 26 May 2014 22: 17
        0
        it would be better if he died on Monday before last. With fear. But really. And so in a herd of despised arrived
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 24 May 2014 11: 15
      +1
      Quote: Lyokha79
      Among all the others, there is one, probably the most important, Ukraine has an acting president. Yanukovych did not die, did not resign, and he was not impeached.


      One of the main uncontested arguments.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 24 May 2014 11: 35
        +6
        Quote: RUSS
        One of the main uncontested arguments.

        Right! It’s just that the plan of the Americans was with big holes in the base part (source data). And this is also a feature of amers. They also rely on the information that they are embroiling, considering it to be true. Well, they can’t realize that the suppliers of the source data simply give out what they want for the reality, even for themselves.
        And add their level of snobbery and self-love. They so confidently suck you in complete nonsense that you wonder. And with such a view that you have been seduced by the most unbearable.

        And here Yu-V arranged something that they did not expect at all ... So everything is still ahead, in the sense that elections can be announced, but they still need to be held!
        And this is in great doubt. The people will go to plant gardens, and not to the polls. Yes, and if Yanukovych shows up - temporarily even he will be accepted and will not object (except of the junta, of course). It's just that people want silence already.
        1. Stanislas
          Stanislas 25 May 2014 08: 53
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          Well, they can’t realize that the suppliers of the source data simply give out what they want for the reality, even for themselves.
          They cannot or do not want, because such fantasy data and Americans like more than the truth.
    4. Iskander Khan
      Iskander Khan 24 May 2014 17: 49
      +2
      He would also add that he really wants to admit. The soul is eager for the election. But it can’t. The law does not order. Let them fend off. wassat
  • armageddon
    armageddon 24 May 2014 09: 50
    +7
    The Kremlin should not be considered idiots ... Well, it’s not as stupid as us !!!
    1. sub307
      sub307 24 May 2014 10: 11
      +8
      Not just "not stupid", but "much smarter" and probably more literate.
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    3. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 24 May 2014 10: 35
      0
      idiots of course you can’t ... but traitors ... this is another question from the questions
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  • Karabin
    Karabin 24 May 2014 09: 51
    -2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse.

    Rating is a business, until the next election it’s far, they’ll come up with something. The electorate does not need much.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 24 May 2014 10: 31
      +8
      Quote: Karabin
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse.

      Rating is a business, until the next election it’s far, they’ll come up with something. The electorate does not need much.

      If Putin worked for the sake of rating, then raising it is easiest to lower the price of alcohol. But, obviously, in the list of Putin's priorities, the rating does not take the highest place. And what does this place occupy? I can’t guess, it’s too ungrateful an occupation, and Putin’s strength as a politician, in particular, in that he is capable of making a completely unpredictable move.
    2. armageddon
      armageddon 24 May 2014 10: 55
      +1
      PPC do not drive the WAVE-everything will be as NECESSARY ... SURE !!!
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    4. RUSS
      RUSS 24 May 2014 11: 17
      0
      Quote: Karabin
      The electorate does not need much.


      Who are you talking about so humiliatingly?
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 24 May 2014 15: 12
        +1
        Quote: RUSS
        Who are you talking about so humiliatingly?

        About the electorate, but not humiliating, but with regret. Mordodels know their stuff. Sometimes they make candy out of such an ram. And you’ll unroll it, all the same a ram.
    5. Gloria45
      Gloria45 24 May 2014 14: 13
      +9
      Speaking of the electorate.
      The list of citizens of Ukraine at the election site. All live at the same address.
  • RUS96
    RUS96 24 May 2014 10: 18
    0
    Geopolitics is such a complicated thing with a table of small components that damn it’s breaking a leg. Politicians think for years to decades to centuries before, BUT we are ordinary citizens for such a straightforward put Putin minus. In this I agree with you.
  • northern
    northern 24 May 2014 10: 59
    +1
    Putin’s decisions depend little on his rating. For Putin, the rating is far less important than for Obama.
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 24 May 2014 11: 28
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Putin’s rating will just crash

    ... it's not about ranking.
    The rating is absolutely nothing ...

    To admit is to sign the complete defeat and surrender of global positions.
    "PoroSenka" (in the Chinese pronunciation without pinching), he is Waltzman, is not an independent figure. As well as all current and future leadership in ruins.

    In justification of Merkel, we can say that she is working out her number in front of Washington, they say, I followed your recommendations, tried my best, you see ...

    here uzhzh ... the notorious ChancellorPact works bully
  • avia1991
    avia1991 24 May 2014 11: 46
    +7
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse

    Have you watched Putin’s speech at the St. Petersburg forum? I managed to watch live ..
    In response to a direct question from a journalist, Putin said the following: “... we will work even with those who now hold power! And after the elections ... of course, we will respect the opinion of the people of Ukraine, and we will work with the president for whom the people will vote .. "
    So understand how you want. The word "RECOGNIZE" was not spoken, but they expressed readiness to work with the new president. True, there are nuances .. It was said that Russia expects from the new president "an end to the punitive operation and the return of debts for gas." Poroshenko clearly cannot provide either one or the other, and will not want to! Therefore, "there are options".
    It seems to me possible (I just want (!) To hope) the following:
    Poroshenko does not stop the war - on the contrary, judging by the latest statements, he is increasing aggression. Since this is already clearly a crime against the people (from the current government, what to take - lords!), Russia recalls that the elections were held in violation of the current Constitution, "recalls" the existence of the legitimate Yanukovych, who calls for assistance in suppressing the anti-popular fascist rebellion .. Up to the use of military force. And then either Poroshenko surrenders and stays with his own - or he will have to be "removed" without his desire.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 25 May 2014 09: 02
      0
      Quote: avia1991
      Therefore, "there are options".
      Work with the president does not exclude work for the president laughing
  • yushch
    yushch 24 May 2014 12: 48
    0
    It’s not even a matter of ratings, the people do not ask for the next betrayal of their interests, they ate in the 90s.
  • WKS
    WKS 24 May 2014 13: 11
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse.

    Do not recognize. Not for that there are splashing with sanctions. Politically, Russia can recognize them only in one case if the future illegitimate elect will immediately fall under Russia.
  • BIGLESHIY
    BIGLESHIY 24 May 2014 14: 19
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: svp67
    In the light of recent events, I would not be so categorical ... Maybe so, and recognizes ...

    If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse.

    After his words about the 37th year and the amnesty of Perdyukov, his statements that if there are victims in the DPR, then Russia will help, his rating did not collapse.
  • Gorko
    Gorko 24 May 2014 14: 35
    0
    If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse.

    And if it doesn’t recognize, then the economy, well, may not collapse, but there will definitely not be anything good. I do not care about his rating, the main well-being of people and the country, let him recognize.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 24 May 2014 15: 56
    0
    In St. Petersburg, VVP said very clearly about the recognition: "... And where is our money ..."! And there is no need to doubt, dear Alexander, the GDP does not work for the sake of a rating (unlike any Obama there), but for its own country!
  • scorpiosys
    scorpiosys 24 May 2014 17: 04
    0
    But income is the other way around.
  • Ptah
    Ptah 24 May 2014 18: 57
    +6
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse.

    Greetings, Sasha! hi
    Well, in truth. Exactly "to the heart", Sash ... The way the President of RUSSIA has gotten out of it for the last couple of months is akin to running along a tightrope, maybe along a fishing line, or even along a stretched "Obama half-corish spider"
    But the rating was uphill ...
    What happened during this time in the country under the name of Russia ???
    A lot of NEGATIVE, but Russia has grown in territory! Oh *** an extremely important territory! And not every "peacekeeping action" can add to this ...
    To Putin - (it is for this <tschpits hundred advantages> !!!
    Slowed down ????
    Novorossia is breaking into "composition" ...
    Two areas are few and pissed off "sanctions"?

    You me, San, I'm sorry, brother! But Putin, who is VladimVladimych, is either MYAMLYA, or the overly tricky "GeBist" (which has always been only for the benefit of the antiresa of Russia), or he has an incomprehensible noise in his headphones, into which the whisper of the itch-goat-bearded Lazar is rubbed ...
    Everyone was quiet ...
    Guys are dying, women are howling, children are bulging their zenki, not understanding, today "what kind of box was dropped into the hole" ...
    And Putin is silent ...
    You and I, dashing bro, said - there is criticism, and there is criticism. And we agreed - "to a minimum" criticism, criticism, if it is constructive - welcome.

    A little distracted ...
    I appeal to you, Sasha! Reduce, Native, slogans ...
    Such serious things happen, and here the site is a mess ** with pictures and "highlighted" ...
    My heart breaks about every "news" from "Yukreina" (the grandmother is from Chernigov region), and then the crowd with "posters" and yelling ... yelling ... yelling ...
    Be ashamed, boys ... After all, YOURSELW ARE SHAKING ...
    Write in response that I "I am writing from the Maidan" I’ll come - put it in the snout or in a glass with vodka as a sign of reconciliation or a fist in the snobel as a sign of error ...

    Let's wait another day ... One day ...
    What will Putin say? ....
    If he admits, then let Sanya "novels" peck me to death ... I'll write "At this moment, the President of RUSSIA, who had typed" fuul puul ", sat down in a cow cake piled up by Obamka."
    For me - a joyless fact ...
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 24 May 2014 19: 18
      +1
      Quote: Ptah
      I will write "At this moment, the President of RUSSIA, who got" fuul puul ", sat down in a cow cake piled up by Obamka."

      Greetings to Vadim, why hurry with conclusions! The GDP said the following: withdraw troops from the Southeast, return to the 21 agreements of February and begin essentially the process of disarmament of the radicals, well, pay for gas! And then we'll see whether to recognize or not to recognize! 080808 Georgia! Until now, there have not been inter-government meetings, so we only communicate through diplomats and nothing terrible has happened! Another fork that Vovan arranged for Western governments!

      Vots news yet !!! hi

      The self-proclaimed DPR and LPR signed a document on unification as part of the "state of Novorossiya." The signing took place on Saturday, May 24, in Donetsk.

      As Korrespondent.net previously reported, at the Shakhtar Plaza Hotel on Saturday, May 24, a congress of Southeast regions was held, initiated by Oleg Tsarev.

      The document on unification was signed behind closed doors by Alexander Borodai ("prime minister" of the Donetsk People's Republic) and Alexey Karjakin ("head" of the LPR).

      As reported, during the congress, "people's governor" Pavel Gubarev said that the "state of Novorossiya" is going to unite eight southeastern regions of Ukraine.


      And yet ... Odessa takes revenge !!! Silently and quietly !!!

      In Odessa, a certain Vitaly Budko, also known under the pseudonym the centurion Mikola, was killed. The one that many remember for the tragic television shots taken from the burning House of Trade Unions on May 2. Remember: a sickly, to put it mildly, middle-aged man in body armor firing a pistol? It seems to be on people jumping out of windows. Then the television reporters represented this shooter as a "centurion of Euromaidan" named Mikola.
      And now, when after a few days this "centurion" was killed by unknowns, information suddenly appeared that he, it seems, was not a centurion at all. And not for Euromaidan, but quite the opposite. At least the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Oleg Lyashko said on his Facebook that “the separatist Vitaliy Budko, better known as the“ Boatswain ”on Kulikovo Field, was killed in Odessa. And he added: yes, on May 2 Budko shot a pistol. Moreover, because of the shields of the police cordon covering him. But he didn’t shoot at the windows of the House of Trade Unions, but at the football fans and militants of the Right Sector, who were walking along Odessa streets.

      Then, according to deputy Lyashko, the Boatswain was arrested, but released a couple of days later. And now, as the Kiev deputy knows for sure, Budko "was shot dead by security officers in order to later blame this crime on the Bandera people with the aim of further provocations in Odessa." Whose intelligence agencies have been atrocious? Lyashko does not write about this. What confuses the situation completely.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 24 May 2014 20: 16
        +1
        Hi Zhenya !!! fellow hi
        I was taught .... Tolerate ... To eat hunting - to endure ...
        The fingers on the left hand were twisted during the "wrong" grip in Vienna (?) At the competition - endure ...
        When my carcass was dragged like "from a competition without rules" - to endure ...
        Dad, who possesses a "sense of yumor", no less than that of the nosed Dubovitskaya, said "I did not want to change the PATERNITY, change the surname to MOTHER ..."
        And in my face:
        - And nah ** I degenerated you, they blew you out, tried with all their might so that you would not jump your head off and not get involved with a bad cumpania "...
        - Mother, bring a tubar and a rolling pin ... I'll finish a pumpkin for him like Ostap at Gogol's, and you will wipe up the bloodstream ...
        And cho, we have struggled for 20 years to make a man out of this embryo, and some rhino will turn him into a vegetable for free ... Better myself ...
        /curtain/
    2. ty60
      ty60 26 May 2014 23: 12
      0
      if you don’t have enough level or zero awareness ... And just to engage in verbiage, so you’re not here .. On stage
  • philip
    philip 25 May 2014 04: 14
    0
    If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse.

    For me personally, below the level of urban sewage. BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS.
  • ksan
    ksan 25 May 2014 10: 22
    0
    If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse.
    About "collapse" - it's too loud. There is a difficult game and Putin is not the last “violin” in this “game”.
  • Registrar
    Registrar 25 May 2014 11: 51
    +1
    Plus. Correctly!
    1. Legitimacy and does not smell.
    2. Every normal person understands that there can be no talk of any democracy in Ukraine.

    The arrogance of this German angelica is surprising - the elections have not yet taken place, and we must already recognize them. Wow, what a bad Frau!
  • St. Bernard
    St. Bernard 25 May 2014 19: 17
    0
    how to admit that does not fit into any framework ??? belay
  • Ilkhan
    Ilkhan 26 May 2014 21: 52
    +1
    With what fright will Putin’s authority suddenly collapse? He is not holding on to the elections. I don’t give a damn about these elections without a choice.
    If the independent Ukrainians want to become the princes of the chocolate hare, then what does Putin’s authority have to do with it?
    Who does not want, he goes to the militia.
  • Alexey N
    Alexey N 24 May 2014 09: 05
    +11
    In this case, our rulers will be despised not only in the west, but also in Russia. After all, Putin representative people and must fulfill his will, especially in such a fundamental situation.
    1. Tartarian
      Tartarian 24 May 2014 09: 11
      +3
      There are no illusions about the West (they despise it anyway), but we have a dozen options - "why did our great strategist make such a damn correct move ..."
    2. Sid.74
      Sid.74 24 May 2014 09: 24
      +6
      Facington needs to be put on a bandwagon, I have no idea how these Kiev ghouls will be received in the Kremlin after their words and calls to kill the Russians !!!
      The news is a little off topic, but all to the peak of Fashington !!!

      Russia plans to supply Syria 12 MiG-29M / M2 fighters to 2018 year
      May 24. / ITAR-TASS /. By the end of 2017, Syria may receive 12 MiG-29M / M2 fighters under a contract concluded with the Russian Federation in 2007. Sergei Korotkov, CEO of the Russian aircraft-building corporation MiG, announced this at the Kadex-2014 exhibition.
      “Four gliders have been made, but the contract was not signed today, we are carrying it out on the sly,” said Korotkov. Answering a question about the timing of the delivery of aircraft and the number of vehicles, he confirmed that the Syrian Air Force should receive 12 MiG-29M / M2 fighters during 2016-2017 under a contract signed in 2007.


      This is certainly good, but the timing would not hurt to force! Oh, how good Syria is needed now!
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 24 May 2014 12: 00
        +2
        Syria may need more than technology. The Fascists, according to the Chief of the General Staff, have turned all Muslim "ultras" against Syria, and are preparing a new invasion, stating that "in a civil war, presidential elections cannot be legitimate"! That’s really TOP TOP OF GLASS AND LYCEPHEMY!
      2. tehnoluks
        tehnoluks 24 May 2014 21: 03
        0
        In modern politics, the main thing is not to do, but to "designate". From this, the veins shake harder. IMHO.
    3. bulvas
      bulvas 24 May 2014 10: 14
      +20
      Quote: Alexey N
      In the end, Putin is a representative of the people and must fulfill his will, especially in such a principled situation.


      The president, unlike the people, has a powerful diplomatic, reconnaissance and analytical apparatus, situations are calculated many moves ahead.

      The president, unlike the people, cannot be guided by emotions.

      I would like, of course, pi .... to whip up all this riffraff and immediately become a hero, and not look for diplomatic ways, choose words, etc., but he is the president for that, so as not to make a mistake and allow the country to be drawn into provocations .

      If we trust him, then we must judge by the final result, but for now, he fully justifies our trust.


      We sit comfortably (while more is not required of us) and wait for the next acts
      1. Erg
        Erg 24 May 2014 11: 29
        +1
        Under every word. Respect
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    4. ussr1960
      ussr1960 24 May 2014 10: 31
      0
      Quote: Alexey N
      Putin is a representative of the people and must fulfill his will, especially in such a principled situation.

      And you would not reveal more widely what this "will of the people" wants today?
      1. Alexey N
        Alexey N 24 May 2014 15: 42
        0
        Read the article, the first comment and my answer to it. And everything will become clear.
    5. Ilkhan
      Ilkhan 26 May 2014 21: 57
      0
      No need for our rulers blah blah blah ... Do not give a damn about the choice of maydanut. For three months, the Kievites went to look at the Maidan as a spectacle, and Putin should blow off?
      The authority of our rulers in the world is higher than the roof - http://chidag.ru/bezopasnost/obschestvo-smi-internet/kto-vash-lyubimyi-mirovoi-p
      olitik.html
      And THIS says everything, and not connoisseurs on the internet.
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  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 24 May 2014 09: 08
    +29
    How can one call to recognize the elections that have not yet taken place.
    Hence the conclusion that the West recognizes in any case, with any violations, (otherwise why all this was played out).
    Hence the conclusion. The West is full Sucks, you can only communicate with them. but not to solve any issues
  • Predator
    Predator 24 May 2014 09: 10
    +6
    With what fright?! GDP clearly said a member of you in the face of the Nazi!
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 09: 16
      -5
      Quote: Predator
      With what fright?! GDP clearly said a member of you in the face of the Nazi!

      In general, the GDP said that Russia will work with the new Ukrainian authorities, whether it can be done without recognition of the elections, of course not. In my opinion, Putin himself answered - or is the author more knowledgeable than Putin?

      President Vladimir Putin said at SPIEF 2014 that Russia would respect the outcome of the presidential election in Ukraine.
      “We see that Ukrainians want their country to get out of the crisis. Russia will respect the choice of the Ukrainian people.
      1. anfil
        anfil 24 May 2014 09: 38
        +17
        And if you consider the answer in more detail!

        "After the elections, we will work with the newly elected structures. I hope that after the elections fighting will be suspended. How will we talk if there tanks will fire at civilians? Or have journalists been seized, kept in prison, where are the conditions for the election? But God be with him, let them at least conduct it like that, "the president added.

        Putin: “We have come to the business forum, let's speak in concrete forms. They owe us 3,5 billion, let them return the money to start the conversation”
      2. kombat58
        kombat58 24 May 2014 09: 57
        +8
        And a day, two suffer!
        And then commenting on Putin’s statements is weak.
        And your speculations and conclusions are programmed in advance. Based on your comments at least the last day.
        No need to fuss so much under the client!
      3. armageddon
        armageddon 24 May 2014 11: 16
        0
        Hmm ... Of course !!! You can sympathize without recognition ... Yes, it WILL !!!
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      5. ultra
        ultra 24 May 2014 11: 33
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        In general, the GDP said that Russia will work with the new Ukrainian authorities,

        In fact, he said that Russia will respect the choice of the people of Ukraine, and this can be interpreted in any way!
        1. anfil
          anfil 24 May 2014 14: 14
          0
          In fact, he said that Russia will respect the choice of the people of Ukraine, and this can be interpreted in any way!


          We are all obsessed with the question whether Russia will recognize the future elections in Ukraine or not. And if we consider another option, in Ukraine itself they do not recognize the elections and not just the electorate, but the top of the government, because they are like "spiders" in a bank. One "Black Widow" is worth something.
      6. Serg65
        Serg65 24 May 2014 14: 02
        +3
        atalef
        My dear, I have long been tormented by the question ... what is the interest of Jews from the Nazis? What do you want to fuck from them?
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 24 May 2014 14: 05
          -1
          Quote: Serg65
          What do you want to fuck from them?

          Dear, why ask a question, the answer to which is known?
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 24 May 2014 14: 11
            +3
            [quote] [/ quote] [quote = Cynic] [quote]
            Dear, why ask a question, the answer to which is known? [/ Quote]
            There are many answers, a lot of answers are spinning in my head too, but I would like to know the answer from the original source!
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 24 May 2014 14: 28
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              I would like to know the answer from the source!

              A specific answer to such a question from a respected forum member atalef ?
              You surprised me again!
            2. anfil
              anfil 24 May 2014 14: 29
              0
              There are many answers, a lot of answers are spinning in my head too, but I would like to know the answer from the original source!

              And it is advisable to get answers from the source using sophisticated torture am
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 24 May 2014 14: 32
                0
                Quote: anfil
                using sophisticated torture

                This will be voiced by the original source YOUR ANSWER OPTION.
                The basics of interrogation.
            3. Cynic
              Cynic 24 May 2014 14: 35
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              There are many answers.

              Nope _
              In favor of god Zlata
              The edge on the edge of war;
              And human blood by the river
              On the blade flows Bulat!
              People die for metal,
              People are dying for the metal!

        2. tehnoluks
          tehnoluks 24 May 2014 21: 20
          0
          IMHO they are founders of an enterprise called "fascism", and, clearly the stump, they want to have a profit ... But again, a Jew is often an enemy to a Jew, like the Slavs.
      7. tehnoluks
        tehnoluks 24 May 2014 21: 14
        0
        If you pick up your loot - then yes, you have to work ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 24 May 2014 09: 26
      +7
      Quote: Predator
      With what fright?! GDP clearly said a member of you in the face of the Nazi!

      Words spoken by GDP
      You know, we understand and see that people in Ukraine want the country to finally get out of this protracted crisis, and, without any doubt, we will respect the choice of the Ukrainian people. We will watch, of course, what is happening.
      They have everything - and the probability of recognition and the same probability of not recognition. Great move. You should not push yourself into a corner in advance, as the USA and Europe do.
  • SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 24 May 2014 09: 13
    +7
    Quote: svp67
    In the light of recent events, I would not be so categorical ... Maybe so, and recognizes ...

    Putin clearly said about this: let them give us a debt of 3,5 lard first, then we'll talk.
    1. saag
      saag 24 May 2014 09: 16
      -6
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      let them give us a debt of 3,5 lard first, then we'll talk

      yeah love for the money
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 24 May 2014 09: 23
        +3
        Quote: saag
        yeah love for the money

        Why love? You can just "fuck" for this money. smile
    2. Wels75
      Wels75 24 May 2014 09: 26
      +6
      Quote: SRC P-15
      Quote: svp67
      In the light of recent events, I would not be so categorical ... Maybe so, and recognizes ...

      Putin clearly said about this: let them give us a debt of 3,5 lard first, then we'll talk.


      And they will stop the ATO !!!
      This is also one of the conditions.
    3. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 09: 27
      -14%
      Quote: SRC P-15
      Quote: svp67
      In the light of recent events, I would not be so categorical ... Maybe so, and recognizes ...

      Putin clearly said about this: let them give us a debt of 3,5 lard first, then we'll talk.

      And if they give? So the power will cease to be fascist and Bandera?
      The elections will be recognized by Russia, nowhere to go - for one simple reason - the lack of recognition excludes dialogue, and now (when it is clear that the elections will be held and will be recognized around the world) - it’s too late to pose. Ukraine without a dialogue with Russia will not lose anything (enough disputes) -! Russia’s position is more vulnerable since without dialogue Ukraine will directly fly into NATO and nobody will be able to prevent this
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 24 May 2014 09: 38
        +12
        Quote: atalef
        Ukraine without a dialogue with Russia will not lose anything (enough disputes) -!

        There are enough sponsors !!! Yes, okay ??? laughing That's just what I look at. All from Ukraine shy away from lepers !!! The Poles refused to build a pipeline! Schengenes are also a bummer! The billions that the IMF gave then did not give where?
        Or debt from the United States !!! And Europe is ready to buy gas from the eastern border of Ukraine! Ukraine don’t need anyone without Donbass, all the salt was in shale gas, and now zilch and mustache!laughing
        Tales only tell! hi
        But it’s true! Just imagine the battalion "Aliya" and the Russian Germans wet together the Nazis in the Donbass !!! wassat

        In Germany, a movement condemning the support of Kiev is gaining more and more strength. To a large extent this is facilitated by former Soviet citizens who moved to Germany during the years of tectonic change, as well as descendants of German anti-fascists. Now even the possibility of forming a volunteer battalion named after Ernst Thalmann to be sent to help the warring southeast is being discussed. The correspondent of "Culture" met with protest activists.

        http://aftershock.su/?q=node/231938
        1. saag
          saag 24 May 2014 09: 54
          +1
          Quote: Sid.74
          Just imagine battalion "Alia"

          Presented, only they will save Jews, and not fight for the Russians
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 24 May 2014 10: 21
            +3
            Quote: saag
            Presented, only they will save Jews, and not fight for the Russians

            Yes, they are Russian for the most part!
        2. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 09: 58
          -12%
          Quote: Sid.74
          There are enough sponsors !!! Yes, okay ??? That's what I look at everything from Ukraine shy away from a leper !!

          Well, actually. if you look really, they give money, but what can Russia give Ukraine in this situation?
          Now tell me. Why does Ukraine need this? If Russia does not recognize the elections, this is only in the hands of Ukraine.
          Quote: Sid.74
          ! Ukraine without Donbass, no one needs anybody, all the salt was in shale gas, and now zilch and mustache

          But what Dobass (although in general a subsidized region) has already left Russia? Or became a separate state? In general, Ukraine is not the Donbass and not only the Donbass.

          Quote: Sid.74
          But it’s true! Just imagine the battalion "Aliya" and the Russian Germans wet together the Nazis in the Donbass !!!

          I’ll tell you as a local - no battalion Aliya - is not going anywhere (and he hasn’t been there for a long time). So he said - how is it? Forgot the surname - just PR and no more.
          Nobody has gone anywhere - trust me. Otherwise, at least in the news we would say

          Quote: Sid.74
          Now even the possibility of forming a volunteer battalion named after Ernst Thalmann to be sent to help the warring southeast is being discussed

          Well, yes, it's like warriors in the VO, judging by the comments, half have been fighting in Syria for about 3 years already, but they still can’t tear themselves away from the clave
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 24 May 2014 10: 20
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            Well, actually. if you look really, they give money, but what can Russia give Ukraine in this situation?

            Well, who? Promises from the IMF as the internal currency of the IMF and debt from the USA! There are no investments, only a zilch has remained from commodity circulation with the TS! Tell us what freight traffic remained in Odessa, how many ships go to ports? If you have information about real fin. If there is any help to Ukraine, then do not be greedy! If someone really helps Ukraine, we will be glad to see you! Schaub didn’t drag our budget!
            To remind you about the fuel for nuclear power plants or abroad will help us with twisted rods! And the IAEA decision which categorically said that using fuel other than Russian would turn into a megapescent in the center of Europe! So, we also have to get fuel for the nuclear power!
            Quote: atalef
            But what Dobass (although in general a subsidized region) has already left Russia? Or became a separate state? In general, Ukraine is not the Donbass and not only the Donbass.

            In general, Ukraine, don’t you say Donbass? What have you already measured with the loss? The fact is that the United States intended to produce magical shale gas in the bowels of the Donbass! Without this, exUkraine is not needed! Do not add, do not decrease! The IMF directly said that the loss of Donbass will result in Ukraine for additional .infusions several times more! And you keep repeating subsidized, look less Ukrainian. tv! The IMF has long considered everything without Ukrainian financiers!
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 May 2014 10: 36
              -9
              Quote: Sid.74
              Well, who? Promises from the IMF as the domestic currency and debt obligations from the USA! There are no investments, only zilch remained from the commodity circulation with the CU!

              So what ? Do you think that Ukraine, after all that has been vseravno crawls on its knees to Russia. You yourself understand. that this will not happen. In Ukraine (except for 2 regions), calmly and somehow demonstrations with a demand in the TS are not observed.

              Quote: Sid.74
              Tell us what freight traffic remained in Odessa, how many ships enter the ports?

              Yes, even no, what's the difference?

              Quote: Sid.74
              Schaub didn’t drag our budget!

              and what are you ready to help the Nazis and Bandera? But for this it is necessary to recognize the election
              Quote: Sid.74
              About fuel for nuclear power plants to remind you or abroad will help us with curved rods!

              These are all such stupid things.
              Power makes politics, power will be elected and believe me, they will not give up this power for nuclear fuel.
              Sell ​​the drawings and technology of Satan to China - do you think China will not buy?

              Quote: Sid.74
              In general, Ukraine is not Donbass say? What are already measured with the loss?

              Yes, I do not care. only Ukraine is not Donbass

              Quote: Sid.74
              The fact is that the United States intended to mine magical shale gas in the bowels of the Donbass

              Now there is no gas in Ukraine, if not, nothing has changed in general

              Quote: Sid.74
              that the loss of Donbass will turn out for Ukraine additional infusions several times more!

              Donbass - subsidized region - or prove the opposite
              1. Sid.74
                Sid.74 24 May 2014 10: 57
                +7
                Quote: atalef
                Sell ​​the drawings and technology of Satan to China - do you think China will not buy?

                The Turks have already been driven !!! What else can you expect from Kalomoisk!
                Quote: atalef
                Yes, even no, what's the difference?

                Big !!! Everything in Ukraine came about thanks to the Maidan people! Ukraine existed as a republic while at least a little Soviet it was drawn by the rest of the military industry and the South-East with industry! As the maydaunas destroyed it in their wild delusional Russophobia, Ukraine ceased to exist! Burned it in Odessa, now only Bandera is left!
                1. atalef
                  atalef 24 May 2014 11: 04
                  -2
                  Quote: Sid.74
                  Big !!! Everything in Ukraine fell thanks to the maydanuty!

                  Now this does not play a role due to the absence of demonstrations in Ukraine (with the exception of Lugansk and Donetsk regions) of demonstrations against the Maidan - I have to admit. that among the people it is popular

                  Quote: Sid.74
                  Ukraine existed as a republic while it was at least a little Soviet

                  You do not understand ? Ukraine (as a state does not disappear) may people begin to live worse, but not disappear
                  Kyrgyzstan Uzbekistan, Armenia - will not disappear and Ukraine will not disappear
                  But whether it will be loyal to Russia is a question.

                  Quote: Sid.74
                  Ukraine has ceased to exist! Burned it in Odessa, now only Bandera is left!

                  In Chechnya, the same was far from super, but nonetheless Russia coped and now Kadyrov almost acts as the defender of the Slavs all over the world.
                  Does this surprise you?
                  1. Erg
                    Erg 24 May 2014 11: 40
                    +2
                    Well yes. Yugoslavia, after all, has not disappeared ...
                  2. ultra
                    ultra 24 May 2014 11: 41
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    Ukraine (as a state does not disappear)

                    Not a fact, in the current borders it is likely to disappear!
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 24 May 2014 11: 54
                      -2
                      Quote: ultra
                      Quote: atalef
                      Ukraine (as a state does not disappear)

                      Not a fact, in the current borders it is likely to disappear!

                      Borders do not play a role. Even taking into account the loss of Crimea. The fact that Lugansk and Donetsk will remain part of Ukraine, I am 100% sure.
                    2. maximus
                      maximus 26 May 2014 01: 07
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      Borders do not play a role. Even taking into account the loss of Crimea. The fact that Lugansk and Donetsk will remain part of Ukraine, I am 100% sure

                      Oh) Do not say gop!
                  3. ty60
                    ty60 26 May 2014 23: 35
                    0
                    already disappeared. Crimea left
                2. BelPartizan
                  BelPartizan 24 May 2014 15: 59
                  +1
                  It’s not surprising. If Kadyrov’s father’s thugs at the stadium blew up, then why be surprised?
                3. Sid.74
                  Sid.74 24 May 2014 17: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  In Chechnya, the same was far from super, but nonetheless Russia coped and now Kadyrov almost acts as the defender of the Slavs all over the world.
                  Does this surprise you?

                  And why be surprised from the Chechens they formed the image of terrorists thanks to our white puppies! And then thanks to the humane and not very approach everything changed! Russia was already federal and Ukraine was a unitary state! There was !!! Who prevented them from adopting a pact on reconciliation and universal popular understanding ! On the status of the Russian language as the second state, a new constitution with prescribed rights for all citizens! We did not infringe anyone in Chechnya by language or faith!
                  And you need to understand that the conflict in Chechnya was also inspired by Western intelligence! What happened in the Donbas is unlikely to be like Chechnya! I doubt that Strelok will go down to terrorism in central Ukraine! And for the time being, there was no talk of leaving Ukraine provoked the Fashington-Kiev junta! Yes, and one moment we were not happy not what was happening in Kiev and are not happy about what is happening in the Donbass! Unlike the broad Ukrainians who said, so mssk.a.l.i we won’t have such a thing! It turned out like if for a bun from the State Department and a seagull from Klitschko on the Maidan of overseas well-wishers to listen with your mouth open!
                4. GradusHuK
                  GradusHuK 25 May 2014 01: 15
                  +2
                  Some people in the South-East are not worthy, neo-scoops of separatists and Colorado people say that the west of Ukraine, civilized in quotes, says that for some reason they resist the fact that they are shot a little and imposed on other heroes.
                5. user1212
                  user1212 25 May 2014 06: 01
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  But whether it will be loyal to Russia is a question.

                  And was she?
                  What kind of loyalty to Kiev will remain after the "anti-terrorist" operation is the question.
                  Quote: atalef
                  Borders do not play a role. Even taking into account the loss of Crimea. The fact that Lugansk and Donetsk will remain part of Ukraine, I am 100% sure

                  Hardly. Rather, there will be something like South Ossetia. Georgia considers it its territory, but all do not care
            2. Cynic
              Cynic 24 May 2014 11: 10
              +6
              Quote: atalef
              and what are you ready to help the Nazis and Bandera?

              But you support and help?
              Quote: atalef
              Ukraine is not Donbass

              Donbass already says how much this is, but you don’t believe the EU!
              Quote: atalef
              now there is no gas in Ukraine

              There were no political statements before you, or _ Who will you lead ...
              Quote: atalef
              prove the opposite

              Have you decided to recall this manner of communication?
              1. atalef
                atalef 24 May 2014 11: 31
                -1
                Quote: Cynic
                But you support and help?

                You are right in this, sending 300 bucks every month to the elderly parents of my wife (Kiev), I certainly fuel the fascist-Bandera clique.

                Quote: Cynic
                There were no political statements before, or _ Who will you lead

                And what is (Gas) and what does the political statement have to do with it?

                Quote: Cynic
                Have you decided to recall this manner of communication?

                About . that Donbass subsidized region even said Yanukovych.
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 24 May 2014 11: 48
                  +3
                  Quote: atalef
                  What is (Gas)

                  Yes, it seems like Gazprom hasn’t stopped deliveries yet, on the contrary, information was received about increasing gas injections into underground storage facilities on the territory of Ukraine.
                  Here from June 1 ...
                  And then, the EU will swing. Till .
                  It was, everything was already. Passed by ...
                  If this information passed you by then I can’t help with anything.
                  Quote: atalef
                  even Yanukovych said.

                  That is, receives more from the budget than gives? Or is it just getting something from the budget?
                  A play on words and mind, which have little in common with reality.
                  Billionaires in Ukraine, on budget subsidies appeared!
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 24 May 2014 12: 03
                    +4
                    Quote: Cynic
                    Gazprom, it seems, hasn’t stopped deliveries yet, on the contrary, information has been received about increasing gas downloads to underground storage facilities on the territory of Ukraine.

                    I mean my gas. No, not him. Therefore, even if the Donbass with the notorious shale gas separates (which I personally do not believe in), nothing will change for Ukraine.
                    Do you know why the EU is ready to buy gas at the EU border and Russia seems to even agree?
                    This is the way out of the situation for Russia (it does not lose face) and for Europe - no need to bother with reverse supplies to Ukraine.
                    Gas was bought at the border of Ukraine and Russia (at EU prices - which are lower than prices for Ukraine) and everything - European gas - can be freely resold to Ukraine. can be pumped into underground tanks in Ukraine .itd. Who won this? Russia - because Ukraine does not steal gas. Ukraine - that. that he doesn’t buy gas from Russia at an inflated price, and even with Europe it’s easier to figure out the payment
                    Everyone is happy and everyone has their face preserved - as Yapis say hi

                    Quote: Cynic
                    That is, it receives more than it gives from the budget?

                    exactly . receives more than gives - another interpretation of the word subsidized - no

                    Quote: Cynic
                    Billionaires in Ukraine, on budget subsidies appeared!

                    And what does the billionaires and the budget have to do with it?
                    Or do you think Donbass and Lugansk nationalize property? And will billionaires disappear?
                    Pensions and state employees. healthcare and schools. infrastructure and power thief - who will pay?
                  2. Cynic
                    Cynic 24 May 2014 13: 20
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    I mean my gas. No, not him.

                    Gas production in Ukraine in 2013 increased by 4% (by 806,7 million cubic meters) compared with 2012 - up to 20 billion 998,2 million cubic meters. m, including natural - by 4,4% (by 848,4 million cubic meters), up to 20 billion 259,8 million cubic meters m

                    So that is.
                    Quote: atalef
                    Do you know why the EU is ready to buy gas at the EU border and Russia seems to even agree?

                    It seems that, recently, Gazprom expressed a desire to buy the gas transmission system of Ukraine, the reason is the threat of disruption of supplies to Europe due to the lack of competent operation and wear. Now there seems to be a Chevron fussing around.
                    About the price, the game on the NERVES. It is clear that such a price tag scarecrow. And the price will be sa-a-avsem different.
                    I think this is not a secret for you.
                    Quote: atalef
                    another interpretation of the word subsidized - no

                    There is .
                    And even here, in this topic, there are posts in which schemes are shown how to make a profitable region subsidized even in your interpretation.
                    Quote: atalef
                    Or do you think Donbass and Lugansk nationalize property?

                    Yes, as it were _ Already
                    The head of the presidium of the Supreme Council of the Donetsk People’s Republic Denis Pushilin announced the start of nationalization in the region.
                    Read more on NTV.Ru: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/978477#ixzz32cgwrzKi
                  3. maximus
                    maximus 26 May 2014 01: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    Gas was bought at the border of Ukraine and Russia (at EU prices - which are lower than prices for Ukraine) and everything - European gas - can be freely resold to Ukraine. can be pumped into underground tanks in Ukraine .itd. Who won this? Russia - because Ukraine does not steal gas. Ukraine - that. that he doesn’t buy gas from Russia at an inflated price, and even with Europe it’s easier to figure out the payment
                    Everyone is happy and everyone has their face preserved - as Yapis say

                    Until recently, gas for Ukraine was cheaper than European! Yes, and I doubt that Europe will resell cheaper and without fat) laughing
                2. ty60
                  ty60 26 May 2014 23: 41
                  -1
                  all enterprises are registered in Kiev and pay taxes there. And what is really so in Donbass is so more convenient and Donbass subsidized automatically.
              2. dzau
                dzau 24 May 2014 17: 42
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                Donbass subsidized region

                Granted in what conditions, that is the question. In the context of the artificial breakdown of economic ties with the regions of the Russian Federation, with the violation of production chains, even built under the USSR? So in such conditions, Tyumen is also easy to make unprofitable.

                And from what, excuse me, x ***** ra, one of the largest industrial clusters, stuffed with skilled (and cheap) labor, iron, energy and concrete - with its incorporation back into the system (within which it was grown for centuries) - should to remain "unprofitable"?

                In conditions of the total destruction of the economy and social sphere, with active external intervention (which did not stop after the collapse of the union), your beloved Jewish kibbutzland will look, I assure you, much sadder.
                1. Stanislas
                  Stanislas 25 May 2014 09: 33
                  -1
                  Quote: dzau
                  Granted in what conditions, that is the question.
                  In conditions when the main enterprises of Donbass are registered in Kiev, all profits from these enterprises go to Kiev, and then the central government sends back a penny in the form of subsidies to the region. Actually, the change in these conditions is one of the main motives of supporters of the federalization of Ukraine in the Donbass: you leave taxes in the region where the profit is created, and the region then transfers the money to the center to maintain the army, etc.
          2. ultra
            ultra 24 May 2014 11: 39
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            Sell ​​the drawings and technology of Satan to China - do you think China will not buy?

            For this, Uncle Sam already hangs them by the balls.
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 May 2014 12: 03
              0
              Quote: ultra
              For this, Uncle Sam already hangs them by the balls.

              OK . then they will be sold to the States. China will not hang them hi
          3. avia1991
            avia1991 24 May 2014 12: 08
            0
            Quote: atalef
            or prove the opposite

            What for?! If your opinion is "on the drum"? If you want to understand - look at the statistics, according to Western estimates, by the way.
          4. GradusHuK
            GradusHuK 25 May 2014 01: 03
            0
            In fascist Germany, too, everything was calm.
          5. ty60
            ty60 26 May 2014 23: 34
            0
            Everything takes time. Everything ends with time. If you can still try to steal gas, buy lard and potatoes from the treba.
        3. Cristall
          Cristall 24 May 2014 11: 56
          +1
          Quote: Sid.74
          Tell us what cargo flow remained in Odessa, how many ships come into ports

          more freight than last year, but less cruise (this is understandable)
          Take a look at webcams and the Internet ... In my opinion, Odessa never stood, even when there were wars
          Goskomstat recorded a significant increase in exports of goods in the Odessa region for the first quarter - it increased by 41,6%. At the same time, imports fell 23%. Port workers say that Odessa has taken over the Crimean cargo flow. Also on hand continental ports played a large grain crop.
          According to the Administration of the Sea Ports of Ukraine (AMPU), in general, the volume of cargo transshipment in the sea ports of Ukraine (excluding the ports of Crimea and Sevastopol) in January-April of this year amounted to 46,2 million tons (7,7% more than in the same last year period). In the first quarter, export growth in all Ukrainian ports amounted to 15,6% - up to 33,1 million tons. In the Odessa region, the Ilyichevsk seaport has the highest indicators, which increased 31% of exports compared with the first quarter of 2013, the Odessa port - 18,2%, the South - 14%.
          Last year, Crimean ports handled 13,8 million tons of cargo. In Crimea, there are 5 of 18 seaports of Ukraine (11,3 million tons in 2013) and 2 of 3 sea fishing ports (2,5 million tons). Last year they accounted for only 7% of the total transshipment in Ukrainian sea and fishing ports. 7,5% of the total Ukrainian grain export, or 1,7 million tons, goes through Crimean ports. At the same time, last year over 80% of grain shipments from the ARC were carried out through the terminals of the Avlita Sevastopol stevedoring company (part of the Portinvest holding Rinat Akhmetova).
          Most of these cargoes are now being redistributed to the ports of large Odessa: Odessa, Ilyichevsky and Yuzhny, says BlackSeaTrans analyst Valentina Mikhailova. According to the results of four months, these ports accounted for half of the total cargo turnover of Ukrainian sea ports - and this figure can still grow.
          Most of the cargo flow is transshipment of metal (508 tons, + 000%), reoriented from Crimean ports, grain, and oil cargo, the press service of the Odessa port administration said. On the whole, in April the port handled 52 million tons of cargo, which is 2 tons more than the same period in 300 (+ 000%). At the same time, the cargo turnover of the Odessa port for four months of 2013 increased by 15% and amounted to 2014 million tons.
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 24 May 2014 11: 58
            0
            However, part of the Crimean cargo traffic will be reoriented to the ports of Nikolaev, the Azov ports and the Kherson Sea Port - especially in terms of transshipment of grain, which is closer to transport to these ports, says CFTS analyst Andrei Tovstopyat. "An important factor in choosing a port is not only the logistics component, but the well-established practice of traders' work with certain terminals. In addition, the size of shiploads will also affect the choice of the port - tonnage over 25 tons cannot be sent through the ports of the Azov Sea," says Tovstopyat ...
            According to Valentina Mikhailova, the growth of grain handling is ensured regardless of the factor of Crimea. In 2013, Ukraine harvested almost 63 million tons of grain, which is 36,3% more than in 2012. The Ministry of Agrarian Policy predicts grain exports from Ukraine at 33 million tons in the 2013/2014 marketing year (ends in July 2014). “Against the background of the planned export of 33 million tons, 2 million tons exported through ports in Crimea is very little. These cargoes can be easily reoriented to continental ports,” Mikhailova says.
            According to the forecasts of the Director General of the Ukrainian Agrarian Confederation Sergey Stoyanov, in 2014 the gross grain harvest in Ukraine will exceed 60 million tons, which means that grain transshipment in Ukrainian ports will not decrease at least.
            http://biz.liga.net/all/transport/stati/2755450-odessa-perevarivaet-krymskiy-gru
            zopotok-.htm
          2. Cristall
            Cristall 24 May 2014 11: 58
            +1
            However, part of the Crimean cargo traffic will be reoriented to the ports of Nikolaev, the Azov ports and the Kherson Sea Port - especially in terms of transshipment of grain, which is closer to transport to these ports, says CFTS analyst Andrei Tovstopyat. "An important factor in choosing a port is not only the logistics component, but the well-established practice of traders' work with certain terminals. In addition, the size of shiploads will also affect the choice of the port - tonnage over 25 tons cannot be sent through the ports of the Azov Sea," says Tovstopyat ...
            According to Valentina Mikhailova, the growth of grain handling is ensured regardless of the factor of Crimea. In 2013, Ukraine harvested almost 63 million tons of grain, which is 36,3% more than in 2012. The Ministry of Agrarian Policy predicts grain exports from Ukraine at 33 million tons in the 2013/2014 marketing year (ends in July 2014). “Against the background of the planned export of 33 million tons, 2 million tons exported through ports in Crimea is very little. These cargoes can be easily reoriented to continental ports,” Mikhailova says.
            According to the forecasts of the Director General of the Ukrainian Agrarian Confederation Sergey Stoyanov, in 2014 the gross grain harvest in Ukraine will exceed 60 million tons, which means that grain transshipment in Ukrainian ports will not decrease at least.
            http://biz.liga.net/all/transport/stati/2755450-odessa-perevarivaet-krymskiy-gru
            zopotok-.htm
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 24 May 2014 12: 05
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        And what about Dobass (although in general the region is subsidized)

        And when did he become "subsidized"? Move offices to Donetsk from Kiev, and the accounts there - and Kiev will be left "without pants"!
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 12: 30
          -1
          Quote: avia1991
          Quote: atalef
          And what about Dobass (although in general the region is subsidized)

          And when did he become "subsidized"? Move offices to Donetsk from Kiev, and the accounts there - and Kiev will be left "without pants"!

          And why did you decide. what offices will move to Donetsk?
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 24 May 2014 13: 09
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            And why did you decide. what offices will move to Donetsk?

            Since nationalization in the Donbass is an objective reality if they want to preserve the Republic. What, by the way, I have no doubt.
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 May 2014 13: 16
              -6
              Quote: avia1991
              Quote: atalef
              And why did you decide. what offices will move to Donetsk?

              Since nationalization in the Donbass is an objective reality if they want to preserve the Republic. What, by the way, I have no doubt.

              Nationalization? Are you out of your mind? Akhmetov will give so and to whom? This gopot?
              Would you give? And no one will give. Then the civil war will begin neither in Ukraine. and in Lugansk and Donetsk.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 24 May 2014 13: 34
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                then the civil war will begin neither in Ukraine. and in Lugansk and Donetsk.

                Judging by this quote, you already do not associate Lugansk and Donetsk with Ukraine.
                hi
              2. dzau
                dzau 24 May 2014 17: 46
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                civil war will begin

                She's already coming. Good morning.
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              4. avia1991
                avia1991 25 May 2014 03: 30
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                This gopot?

                You, sir, keep an eye on your tongue - no matter how he becomes an enemy to you! These are people, our blood brothers, who are now paying their expensive price for their rights! And so they will not ask Akhmetov, if he himself does not understand that it is better to agree in a good way. Do not forget that the people are a source of power - in your country, by the way, too. And going to insult him in a similar way to Kolomoyets’s conspirators is not worth it!
                1. ty60
                  ty60 26 May 2014 23: 55
                  0
                  Kalommoyskogo. Do not confuse please with the Ukrainian surname.
              5. maximus
                maximus 26 May 2014 01: 25
                0
                Quote: atalef
                Nationalization? Are you out of your mind? Akhmetov will give so and to whom? This gopot?
                Would you give? And no one will give. Then the civil war will begin neither in Ukraine. and in Lugansk and Donetsk.

                And who will ask him? laughing"Gopota"?
              6. ty60
                ty60 26 May 2014 23: 53
                0
                she already goes there. Can't you see from a distance?
          2. dzau
            dzau 24 May 2014 17: 46
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            And why did you decide. what offices will move to Donetsk?

            And who will ask them during nationalization?
  • SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 24 May 2014 09: 42
    +6
    Quote: atalef
    And if they give? So the power will cease to be fascist and Bandera?

    What will they give, ask for a loan from Russia? And if the IMF has it, then what will remain for Ukraine itself and for how long, in this case, will the future president last?
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 10: 00
      -11%
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      What will they give, ask for a loan from Russia? And if the IMF has it, then what will remain for Ukraine itself and for how long, in this case, will the future president last?

      What will give the role does not play. the question is - if they give it away (in the end, you will have to pay for gas sometime) so what will happen after? Immediately cease to be fascists and turn into a legitimate choice of the Ukrainian people?
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      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 24 May 2014 10: 35
        +9
        Quote: atalef
        What will give the role does not play. the question is - if they give it away (in the end, you will have to pay for gas sometime) so what will happen after? Immediately cease to be fascists and turn into a legitimate choice of the Ukrainian people?

        Do you think that all Ukrainian people are fascists? I don’t think so, and from this dance.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 10: 47
          -5
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Do you think that all Ukrainian people are fascists? I don’t think so, and from this dance.

          In general, I do not consider them fascists and always wrote it.
          1. northern
            northern 24 May 2014 11: 18
            +9
            Pravoseki are not fascists too?
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 May 2014 11: 39
              +1
              Quote: north
              Pravoseki are not fascists too?

              fascists, like RNE, are nenaziks of Germany and many other countries.
              Not all citizens of Ukraine are right-wingers - by the way, Yarosh went to the polls - his rating will show the number of neo-Nazis.
              1. northern
                northern 24 May 2014 11: 55
                +1
                Do you believe in any ratings in the elections in Ukraine? Oh, m ...
                In Ukraine, even now there is a president, albeit an io. Now attention to the screen, who is sitting in the chair of the President of Ukraine at the meeting? Do you know such a candidate for the presidency of Ukraine? What is his "rating"?
              2. avia1991
                avia1991 24 May 2014 13: 11
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                his rating will show the number of neo-Nazis.

                But this is a very controversial issue. Like the rating of Poroshenko. Objective data in such conditions is not worth the wait!
                1. atalef
                  atalef 24 May 2014 13: 17
                  -6
                  Quote: avia1991
                  . Objective data in such conditions is not worth the wait!

                  Objectivity is generally vague.
                  Are referendum data objective?
              3. ioann1
                ioann1 24 May 2014 17: 20
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                Quote: north
                Pravoseki are not fascists too?

                fascists, like RNE, are nenaziks of Germany and many other countries.
                Not all citizens of Ukraine are right-wingers - by the way, Yarosh went to the polls - his rating will show the number of neo-Nazis.
                not the number of Natsiks determines the situation inside the country, but their influence on domestic and foreign policy. The state is under the heel of these Natsiks. By the way, all decent Jews from Ukraine have already left, and Kolomoisky is preparing the 2nd Holocaust with his atrocities. Is all this not enough to understand the situation, or does the election mean something to you? Or how many more deaths are needed to understand the depth of the tragedy ?!
          2. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 24 May 2014 11: 36
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            In general, I do not consider them fascists and always wrote it.

            And why then do you not allow the idea that the power in Ukraine may not be fascist?
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 May 2014 12: 05
              0
              Quote: SRC P-15
              Quote: atalef
              In general, I do not consider them fascists and always wrote it.

              And why then do you not allow the idea that the power in Ukraine may not be fascist?

              Read carefully what I write.
      3. Sid.74
        Sid.74 24 May 2014 10: 48
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        Immediately cease to be fascists and turn into a legitimate choice of the Ukrainian people?

        laughing You are predicting a good future for Ukraine! And most importantly, the funny thing is that a Jew cares for the Nazis !!! I’m here! Continue to sing these songs and someday people with swastikas on your shoulder will come to you! And you’ll tell that there are no Bandera there are no Nazis, and everything is fine! You know, lately, looking at what the Jew of Kolomoisky is beginning to believe that the Jews provoked the Holocaust! For such a dual vision of the situation will bring nothing but trouble to Ukraine! Although what kind of Ukraine-Bandera ... No.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 10: 57
          0
          Quote: Sid.74
          that a Jew cares for the Nazis!

          I do not consider all Ukrainian people to be fascists.

          Quote: Sid.74
          continue to sing these songs and once upon a time people with swastikas on your shoulder will come to you! And you will tell that there are no Bandera and there are no Nazis, and everything is fine

          You know. In general, I have a Ukrainian wife (from Kiev) and I know all her relatives very well. like her respected parents.
          I assure the Nazis among them not

          Quote: Sid.74
          You know, lately, looking at what the Jew of Kolomoisky is doing, I begin to believe that the Jews provoked the Holocaust

          U !!! famous song


          Quote: Sid.74
          ! Although what for Ukraine-Bandera

          Ukraine is not a Bandera.
          1. northern
            northern 24 May 2014 13: 17
            +4
            Come on? And this monument guess who, guess where it stands?
            1. ty60
              ty60 27 May 2014 00: 02
              0
              it is written on it. The criminal. He was sentenced to a tower for a terrorist attack against the Poles. He was freed by the Nazis. More details in the memoirs of PA Sudoplatov.
          2. Sid.74
            Sid.74 24 May 2014 16: 42
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            I do not consider all Ukrainian people to be fascists.

            I also do not consider the people of exukraine to be Bandera! But that model of democracy in the form of children with a wolf hook on a bandage beyond good and evil! This should not have happened! Ukraine should not have presented this offspring to Bandera as a hero and savior of Ukraine! How much about that they said that Ukraine, even if it were a million times independent, would not sail to the moon from the border with Russia! And the EU would not!
            We would like really bright prospects, would demand urgent economic, political, judicial reforms from Yanukovych and then elections, so there was no need to bring everything to an absurdity to break everything! A million times the Ukrainians were asked to expel Yanukovych and then what? Everything will be fine! Getty panda and to the EU! Something I did not notice the joy of Ukrainians from signing the association with the EU! And the EU is asking us to continue to invest in the development of Ukraine! That idiotic stupid maidan turned everything up on something that somehow rested on and held the state of Ukraine !And now obscurity gloom and a pigsty on the Maidan! Here it is free from head! Golden eagle nafig, president nafig, nafig police, who then will catch them children with machine guns is unknown? Still, before my eyes there were dozens of banana republics and large countries! Libya and Syria, do not care and let's jump !!!

            Quote: atalef
            Ukraine is not a Bandera.

            Prove !!! Odessa and the burnt house of trade unions are not Khatyn! The execution of civilians in Mariupol! Slavyansk taken under siege! The Ukrainian government is the most that there are no fascists if not ideological then factual!
          3. user1212
            user1212 25 May 2014 06: 16
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Ukraine is not a Bandera.

            Most certainly not. But there are such examples:

            VO "Svoboda" attack on WWII veterans
            http://youtu.be/1sgT69aEb0w
      4. Erg
        Erg 24 May 2014 11: 43
        0
        Not your best post
    2. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 10: 38
      -7
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      What will they give, ask for a loan from Russia? And if the IMF has it, then what will remain for Ukraine itself and for how long, in this case, will the future president last?

      Let's take the extreme development of the situation - Ukraine declares itself bankrupt with the inability to pay debts.
      And? Will Ukraine disappear? -No . The people will not disappear

      Debt will be reconstructed and part will be written off
      That's all. At the same time, it will remain a separate state and power will not go anywhere.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 24 May 2014 11: 34
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        That's all. At the same time, it will remain a separate state and power will not go anywhere.

        The whole question is what kind of power will remain after default, the current one is unlikely.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 12: 06
          0
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Quote: atalef
          That's all. At the same time, it will remain a separate state and power will not go anywhere.

          The whole question is what kind of power will remain after default, the current one is unlikely.

          What's the difference . Putin or Lukashenko will definitely not be elected.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 24 May 2014 12: 13
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            What's the difference

            We have a saying: ... one fuck, the other is teasing!
    3. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 12: 04
      +1
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      will they give it back, ask for a loan from Russia? And if the IMF has it, then what will remain for Ukraine itself and for how long, in this case, will the future president last?

      Nothing at all. IMF like Russia, and more than once wrote off multibillion-dollar debts. write off now.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 24 May 2014 12: 15
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        IMF like Russia, and more than once wrote off multibillion-dollar debts. write off now.

        Do not confuse the debts of the USSR and the debts of Russia.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 12: 31
          +2
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Quote: atalef
          IMF like Russia, and more than once wrote off multibillion-dollar debts. write off now.

          Do not confuse the debts of the USSR and the debts of Russia.

          And here - what's the difference. Russia is the assignee of the USSR and the debts were rewritten to it. They should have been given to her.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 24 May 2014 13: 16
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            Russia is the assignee of the USSR and the debts were rewritten to it.

            Oooh! .. But for that, you have the plus - it's good that you were reminded! laughing
            It would be necessary to add to existing debts an account for the amounts that Ukraine promised to pay, as part of the debts of the USSR, and which as a result were paid by the Russian Federation!
          2. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 24 May 2014 14: 18
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            And here - what's the difference. Russia is the assignee of the USSR and the debts were rewritten to it. They should have been given to her.

            Now, if countries like Israel and the United States owed us, Russia would certainly not forgive them this debt.
            1. ty60
              ty60 27 May 2014 00: 07
              0
              here, in essence, they should. Let them tower.
  • svp67
    svp67 24 May 2014 09: 48
    +7
    Quote: atalef
    And if they give? So the power will cease to be fascist and Bandera?

    We'll see ...
    Quote: atalef
    Ukraine without a dialogue with Russia will not lose anything (enough disputes)
    Let's just say - "sick with the soul", but really helping - no ... something is not to be seen.
    Quote: atalef
    Russia’s position is more vulnerable since without dialogue Ukraine will directly fly into NATO and nobody will be able to prevent this
    No matter how anyone, NATO itself will not admit that one cannot see that Georgia would already be in NATO. There is an inviolable rule - a country with internal problems or territorial difficulties is not accepted into NATO ... So, if Ukraine, or whatever it wants to remain in NATO, it MUST officially recognize that it does not have TERRITORIAL CLAIMS ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 10: 12
      -4
      Quote: svp67
      No matter how anyone, NATO itself will not admit that it’s impossible to see that Georgia would already be in NATO

      Do you hope that NATO will not allow? And why do you believe NATO.

      Quote: svp67
      There is an unshakable rule - a country with internal problems or territorial difficulties in NATO is not accepted

      Are you talking about the Crimea?
      Let me remind you of Cyprus and Northern Cyprus, Greece and Turkey, and indeed, the second Ukraine (as an example) rejects claims to Crimea (which is a fait accompli) - the path to NATO is open, what is the point of Ukraine clinging to it will never be (yes, in general, it never was)
      How is the script? Real
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 24 May 2014 13: 37
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Are you talking about the Crimea?

        No about the DPR, LPR, Carpathian and Galicia.
      2. GradusHuK
        GradusHuK 25 May 2014 01: 23
        0
        Was there a boy?
    2. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 10: 43
      -2
      Quote: svp67
      Let's just say - "sick with the soul", but really helping - no ... something is not to be seen.

      Well, Russia is the same as it is difficult to call a sick soul and helping. Or do you think the annexation of Crimea (more precisely, return 0 are accepted in UKRAINE AS HELP FOR PAYMENTS TO BUDGETS?

      Quote: svp67
      on SHALL formally acknowledge that it does not have TERRITORIAL CLAIMS ...

      in general, for Russia, Ukraine plays a role whether territorial claims or not.
      At that moment when in Ukraine the same will agree with the fact of the final loss of Crimea and recognize it (with the only argument - Crimea cannot be returned. With NATO - we are protected) - is the whole road open or is this scenario not real?
  • kombat58
    kombat58 24 May 2014 10: 01
    +4
    If it’s not difficult, a list of sponsors (only real, not conversational genre) in the studio!
    At least five points!
    Your arguments should not be unfounded!
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 10: 14
      -3
      Quote: kombat58
      If it’s not difficult, a list of sponsors (only real, not conversational genre) in the studio!
      At least five points!

      One is enough
      EU gives money
      Anyway, what's the point in your question.
      Russia certainly is not a sponsor - so why should Ukraine run to Russia?
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 24 May 2014 10: 41
        +9
        atalef
        Russia certainly is not a sponsor - so why should Ukraine run to Russia?

        Is Russia not a sponsor? Are you out of your mind, or what? And to whom does Ukraine owe so many lards? What do you want? Anyway, your nagging is surprising - or do you just want to express a different (different from normal) point of view? what
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 10: 49
          -4
          Quote: Serg 122
          Is Russia not a sponsor? Are you out of your mind, or what? And to whom does Ukraine owe so many lards?

          Well ?
          List the number of countries to which Russia has given and written off money? At the same time, repayment of debt has never been a condition for negotiations

          Ukraine will not return the money by washing and skating, but whether the state will be loyal to Russia is a question.
          1. dzau
            dzau 24 May 2014 17: 59
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            and whether the state will be loyal to Russia is a question

            With 87% of those who think in Russian (Amer calculations, for internal use), the same Eastern Slavs, significant. some of which grew in one country with us?

            Yes, even after the squeals and squeals of pro-American clowns about mopping up Mosk ** lei, ban Russian. language, entry into nature (about things like Odessa and Mariupol - I am silent)?

            Despite the fact that, to be objective, this is generally a fragment of one country with Russia.

            Where can she go? The only reason why it is not yet "loyal" is the mad super-efforts of the West - it is not allowed here. In general, all the mess that we are now seeing is an attempt to "keep" Ukraine from Russia at a distance.

            And judging by the ridiculousness of the results, when the regions split off one after another, hanging out tricolors, and the people of the Ukrop warriors escort the Nazi march from the station, not very clever figures are in charge of the "restraint" from the western side. Dull, selfish and spineless nomenclature, the Gorbachev period of the USSR, only in a mirror image.
          2. ty60
            ty60 27 May 2014 00: 11
            0
            here she will return the money .first. then it will be seen.
        2. ty60
          ty60 27 May 2014 00: 10
          -1
          yes guy confused round with warm.
      2. ultra
        ultra 24 May 2014 11: 45
        0
        Quote: atalef
        EU gives money

        And he gave a lot? He did not promise, but he did. As long as only the IMF.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 12: 09
          0
          Quote: ultra
          Quote: atalef
          EU gives money

          And he gave a lot? He did not promise, but he did. As long as only the IMF.

          Lord as you do not understand one thing. There will be no vacuum.
          Ukraine is not that country. so that both the States and the EU turn their backs on it - a tidbit. Zadripirovannogo Greece under 100 Lard gave. already in Ukraine they will find 15-20.
          1. maximus
            maximus 26 May 2014 01: 37
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Ukraine is not that country. so that both the States and the EU turn their backs on it - a tidbit. Zadripirovannogo Greece under 100 Lard gave. already in Ukraine they will find 15-20.

            Well, here again the Great Ukrainians) megalomania on the face) How not to give, laughing because the whole world came from them
          2. ty60
            ty60 27 May 2014 00: 14
            0
            will give near .opy smell. so that the patient is not alive and not dead.
  • ultra
    ultra 24 May 2014 11: 36
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    nowhere to go

    There’s just nowhere to go for geyropa and tana, they made their bid, and we have the opportunity to maneuver, until at least we and the new south-eastern republics have recognized and the junta in Kiev is the same. And they did not send observers to the elections, but this is also a definite message.
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 12: 09
      0
      Quote: ultra
      we have the opportunity to maneuver, until at least we and the new southeastern republics have not recognized the junta in Kiev too. And they did not send observers to the elections, which is also a definite message.

      That's for sure . the main thing is maneuvers.
  • ty60
    ty60 26 May 2014 23: 24
    -1
    Yes, the flag in her hands, let it fly. nocturnal butterfly, well, who is to blame?
  • NIVH
    NIVH 24 May 2014 09: 14
    +9
    As far as I understand, it was not about recognizing the elections in Ukraine, but about working with the Ukrainian government in economic terms, in order to repay debts.
    1. saag
      saag 24 May 2014 09: 18
      +3
      Quote: NIVH
      and about working with the government of Ukraine in economic terms, in order to repay debts.

      in general, a piquant situation turns out - how can one demand something from an illegitimate, that is, an unrecognized government, because this is something legitimate promised there :-)
    2. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 09: 30
      -4
      Quote: NIVH
      As far as I understand, it was not about recognizing the elections in Ukraine, but about working with the Ukrainian government in economic terms, in order to repay debts.

      Do not tell, read carefully what Putin said


      President Vladimir Putin said at SPIEF 2014 that Russia would respect the outcome of the presidential election in Ukraine.
      “We see that Ukrainians want their country to get out of the crisis. Russia will respect the choice of the Ukrainian people.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 24 May 2014 10: 11
        +2
        It is more interesting who Europe selects there, from there it will be clear to Ukraine who will take it, how it is going to live with the Americans and how it will turn out smile
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      5. NIVH
        NIVH 24 May 2014 10: 18
        +6
        Russian is a rich language! Respecting the choice of the Ukrainian people is not the same thing as recognizing the elections.
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      7. Serg 122
        Serg 122 24 May 2014 10: 46
        +3
        Do not tell, read carefully what Putin said
        President Vladimir Putin said at SPIEF 2014 that Russia would respect the outcome of the presidential election in Ukraine.
        “We see that Ukrainians want their country to get out of the crisis. Russia will respect the choice of the Ukrainian people.


        Who is ridiculous is you. Read it yourself:
        Russia will respect the outcome of the presidential election in Ukraine.
        Doesn’t it bother you? will respect and recognizes as legitimate - there is a difference repeat
      8. ultra
        ultra 24 May 2014 11: 46
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        that Russia will respect the results of the presidential election in Ukraine.

        And where does it say that we recognize these elections?
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 12: 12
          0
          Quote: ultra
          Quote: atalef
          that Russia will respect the results of the presidential election in Ukraine.

          And where does it say that we recognize these elections?

          Well, Russia does not recognize And? Nobody recognized Abkhazia and Ossetia at all, and? Does this stop them from living?
          Northern Cyprus - the same no one recognized.
          Israel is not recognized by most Arab countries (including our neighbors - Syria and Lebanon) and? Does this stop us from living?
          Why did you decide. that is not recognition of the election by Russia. automatically puts an end to Ukraine?
          1. ty60
            ty60 27 May 2014 00: 19
            0
            all contracts will be pre-arranged with possible risks with some reinsurance. For where rummaged hohl. there is nothing for the Jew to do.
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 27 May 2014 01: 36
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Nobody recognized Abkhazia and Ossetia at all

            Incidentally .. recognized, in particular, Venezuela, and a couple of countries for sure. Stay tuned for more news!
      9. Erg
        Erg 24 May 2014 11: 57
        0
        I respect your point of view, but I do not recognize it. This is diplomacy, sir.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 12: 33
          -2
          Quote: Erg
          I respect your point of view, but I do not recognize it. This is diplomacy, sir.

          In general, it sounds like this
          I do not agree with any word that you say, but I am ready to die for your right to say this
          Evelyn Hall and sounded in her book-biography of Voltaire "The Friends of Voltaire" (1906)
          1. maximus
            maximus 26 May 2014 01: 42
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            I do not agree with any word that you say, but I am ready to die for your right to say this
            Evelyn Hall and sounded in her book-biography of Voltaire "The Friends of Voltaire" (1906)

            I did not want to give the impression that these were genuine words of Voltaire and would have been surprised if they had been found in any of his works. This is just a paraphrase of Voltaire’s words in Essays on Tolerance - Think and Let Others Think, too. Evelyn Hall
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  • Little Muck
    Little Muck 24 May 2014 09: 17
    +8
    Quote: svp67
    It may be that he admits ...

    Inspired by:
    Why guess like a bean, recognizes, does not recognize?
    After all, nobody forces people to sort shit.
    More importantly, what lies in the chapter of the conceived plan.
    The denouement is near, "the death of the black ram."
    laughing
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 24 May 2014 09: 27
      +3
      Quote: Little Muck
      The denouement is near, "the death of the black ram." laughing

      lol Vanguete Vitaliy! Greetings! hi
      1. Little Muck
        Little Muck 24 May 2014 09: 53
        +1
        I publish prophetic dreams repeat .
        Greetings! hi
  • Wels75
    Wels75 24 May 2014 09: 23
    +9
    Violations are already going right in Kiev. Hundreds of Maidan do not allow people to receive absentee ballots! Directly to the election. areas are blocked. Journalists from Russia akredetovanyh in the CEC of UKROPIA traveling to cover the elections, they are stupidly not allowed at the border with an indication of the reason - "the purpose of arrival is not clear" !!!!
    What honest EUROPEAN elections can be discussed. I will not be surprised that people from the Donbass battalion with machine guns will be standing at the huts tomorrow and will indicate where to put a tick. And going ATO to the south-east of the country? There, people, even if they wanted to vote, they could not. Who will vote under shelling?
    So all this is one big fiction and not an election !!!
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 10: 15
      -8
      Quote: Veles75
      What honest EUROPEAN elections can be discussed. I will not be surprised that people from the Donbass battalion with machine guns will be standing at the huts tomorrow and will indicate where to put a tick. And going ATO to the south-east of the country? There, people, even if they wanted to vote, they could not. Who will vote under shelling

      Well, to be honest, the conditions of the elections (described by you) are no different from the conditions of the referendum in Lugansk and Donetsk
      Do you recognize them as honest and legitimate?
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 24 May 2014 11: 16
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        election conditions (described by you) are no different from the conditions of the referendum in Lugansk and Donetsk

        So no matter what ?!
        Do not judge others by yourself and your environment.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 11: 40
          0
          Quote: Cynic
          So no matter what ?!
          Do not judge others by yourself and your environment.

          And on the topic there is something to say?
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 24 May 2014 11: 55
            0
            Quote: atalef
            what to say ?

            To you?
            Well, what can you say if the conditions of these elections are the same for you.
            The only thing is not to get to such an election.
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 May 2014 12: 34
              -2
              Quote: Cynic
              Quote: atalef
              what to say ?

              To you?
              Well, what can you say if the conditions of these elections are the same for you.
              The only thing is not to get to such an election.

              Well then, find the differences.
      2. ty60
        ty60 27 May 2014 00: 21
        0
        Have you been there yourself?
  • Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 24 May 2014 09: 33
    -1
    Russia, by definition, needs any kind of power in Ukraine to demand money from it. But recognition is not necessary.
    1. saag
      saag 24 May 2014 10: 05
      0
      that’s how, and an unrecognized power does not take any obligations in this case, because it’s unrecognized
  • obraztsov
    obraztsov 24 May 2014 09: 46
    +13
    What freezes me is that Russia is forced to admit the results of the elections held with all conceivable irregularities during the election campaign:
    1. The president was not legally removed from power.
    2. Candidates were beaten.
    3. In the Duma, they turned off the sound undesirable, threatened, beaten.
    4. There is a civil war in the country.
    5. In Odessa and Mariupol, they generally committed genocide.

    In fact, they tell us that we will put in Ukraine anti-Russian power, whether you want it or not, and if you do not recognize this power, then it will be even worse for you. Geyropa and LSHA make us say that white is black, and black is called blue.

    And what we hear from the president: elections are a step in the right direction; we respect the choice of the Ukrainian people ...
    I hope our authorities know what they are doing.
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 24 May 2014 10: 00
      +2
      Quote: obraztsov
      1. The president was not legally removed from power.
      2. Candidates were beaten.
      3. In the Duma, they turned off the sound undesirable, threatened, beaten.
      4. There is a civil war in the country.
      5. In Odessa and Mariupol, they generally committed genocide.

      I will add ischo !!! You will like it, the know-how of the CEC Ukraine!

      How will the siloviki vote?

      On the evening of May 23, the CEC of Ukraine adopted a resolution, according to which it is allowed to include in the voting lists military personnel from among the commanding officers and rank-and-file personnel who perform tasks in "places of temporary residence of their units on the territory of Donetsk and Luhansk regions."

      As noted during the CEC meeting, the current electoral legislation does not provide for such a procedure, but in this case an exception will be made: the participants in the operation, including both army units and battalions of "volunteers", will be added to the voting lists on the proposal of the unit commander, and even on the day of voting, up to the moment the polling stations are closed in 20: 00 25 in May.

      When registering in the list, one more deviation from the law will be made: only the year of birth of the soldier will be indicated, and a dash will be placed in the "home address" column. laughing

      In addition, on May 24, the CEC will hear a report by the representative of the Ministry of Internal Affairs on measures to ensure the security of district election commissions in Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

      The day before, the CEC members unanimously approved the decision to postpone the district election commissions of the Budennovsky, Kuibyshevsky, Voroshilovsky, Kirovsky and Kiev districts of the city of Donetsk to the premises of Donetsk airport. laughing

      Dobkin on the legitimacy of the election

      With regard to elections taking place in the context of hostilities, questions may arise regarding their legitimacy. This, in particular, was pointed out on the air of the ICTV channel by the presidential candidate from the Party of Regions Mikhail Dobkin. "The elections in our country are held according to very strange rules and are unlikely to end with success," he said. "And here it does not matter who is elected and who is not elected. And the important thing is that the legitimacy of these elections will be in question," he said. he.
      1. a52333
        a52333 24 May 2014 10: 15
        +2
        . The day before, the CEC members unanimously approved the decision to transfer the district election commissions of the Budennovsky, Kuibyshevsky, Voroshilovsky, Kirovsky and Kiev districts of the city of Donetsk to the premises of Donetsk airport.

        Still in the lions moved.
        Yesterday, Vesti fm broadcast an interview with someone from Donetsk (I won’t say my name)
        Donetsk, according to him, will not vote, because WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE CRAFT VARIETIES. He said harder, they crammed.
    2. obraztsov
      obraztsov 24 May 2014 10: 20
      +10
      Picture to the previous message, which unfortunately I can’t edit anymore.
    3. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 10: 22
      -8
      Quote: obraztsov
      What freezes me is that Russia is forced to admit the election results

      Nobody forces Russia. This is Russia's choice - to recognize or not

      Quote: obraztsov
      1. The president was not legally removed from power.

      He does not play roles - he is not there and will not return back

      Quote: obraztsov
      2. Candidates were beaten.

      Well, the people themselves were beating - both pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian - this is such a new entertainment in Ukraine

      Quote: obraztsov
      In the Duma, they turned off the sound undesirable, threatened, beaten.

      In a thought? Generally in Ukraine - Parliament

      Quote: obraztsov
      There is a civil war in the country.

      This is not a civil war
      By the way (so for reference) During the war in Chechnya, the same elections took place for the President of Russia (Putin by the way). But Chechnya, it seems, was and is a part of Russia. What kind of war was there? Civil or anti-terrorist operation? Although at first glance (to be honest) Dudayev was much more popular among Chechens (citizens of Russia) than Gubarev and Strelkov, and the people fought for Duduaev more like something more willing.
      But with all the similarities of the situations - in Russia - the anti-terrorist operation, and in Ukraine - the civil war
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 24 May 2014 10: 34
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        Well, the people themselves were beating - both pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian - this is such a new entertainment in Ukraine

        Pro-Ukrainian? Etozh someone? What I did not see as a tyunibok or Yarosh they are pressed by your first Ukrainian patriots! At least Lyazhko would be beaten at worst! wassat
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 10: 45
          -2
          Quote: Sid.74
          Pro-Ukrainian? Etozh someone? What I did not see as a tyunibok or Yarosh they are pressed by your first Ukrainian patriots! At least Lyazhko would be beaten at worst!

          weird. but the same Tsarev was beaten precisely in the South-East (and not in Lviv).
          Although what role does it play.
          As a result, because of this, they withdrew their candidacies.
      2. obraztsov
        obraztsov 24 May 2014 10: 54
        +3
        Nobody forces Russia.

        Are you confident in your words? Only the statements of Western leaders and their henchmen are worth it. And what is happening behind the scenes, God alone knows.

        He does not play roles - he is not there and will not return back

        He would have returned back if he had returned to the agreements of February 27, 2014, which the West had flagrantly violated. This he said himself.

        Well, the people themselves were beating - both pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian - this is such a new entertainment in Ukraine

        Such entertainment just does not allow elections to be honest. So all politicians who do not sing to the tune of the junta, shut their mouths.

        Generally in Ukraine - Parliament

        Yes, I was mistaken, found something to complain about.

        This is not a civil war

        then tell me the signs of a civil war, for which the current situation in Ukraine does not fit.

        About Chechnya is your only more or less worthy argument. In the south-east of Ukraine, people at first peacefully defended their interests until they were forced to take up arms. Nobody even thought to Chechnya to deprive the language, send nationalists to them or infringe on their rights in our country by some legislative act.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 11: 12
          -3
          Quote: obraztsov
          You are confident in your words. Only the statements of Western leaders and their henchmen are worth it. And what is happening behind the scenes, God alone knows.

          No one forces to recognize. Do not interfere - this is in question. and to admit or not is everyone’s business. There Belarus did not recognize either Ossetia or Abkhazia - and nothing.

          Quote: obraztsov
          He would have returned back if he had returned to the agreements of February 27, 2014, which the West had flagrantly violated. This he said himself.

          If my grandmother would have a member ... well, you know the sequel. what role does it play now.
          Only plays a role - are you on a horse or under a horse
          Quote: obraztsov
          then tell me the signs of a civil war, for which the current situation in Ukraine does not fit.

          There is no mass support of the population.

          Quote: obraztsov
          Nobody even thought to Chechnya to deprive the language, send nationalists to them or infringe on their rights in our country by some legislative act

          Well ? Suppose so. they * rebelled * because of that. they just wanted to live separately from Russia (like Crimea).
          Now find 10 differences?
          1 How Dudaev was elected - popular gathering
          2. What he proclaimed is independence first. then separation from Russia
          3. What is it called in Russia - Anti-terrorist operation
          4. What weapons were used?
          5. Have the Chechens (like Strelkov and Co.) taken hostages, yes
          6. Whether exchanged for ransom - yes
          7. Were Chechens citizens of Russia - yes
          Now explain. why is there a civil war. and in Russia the anti-terrorist operation?
          1. obraztsov
            obraztsov 24 May 2014 11: 44
            +3
            No one forces to recognize. Do not interfere - this is a question

            Reread the article we are commenting on. They urge to recognize it. Let's see what happens after the election. There is a high probability that they will again begin to face sanctions. And we can only hinder the deployment of troops, which no one is going to do now. So these are empty, populist appeals aimed at brainwashing a Western audience.

            Only plays a role - are you on a horse or under a horse

            We are now discussing what? The legitimacy of the election. I am trying to explain to you that Ukraine has a legitimate president who is not allowed into the country. And the fact that he is not on horseback is clear to everyone.

            There is no mass support of the population

            These are just words. I can also say that mass support is present. Only I will give an argument: look at how ordinary unarmed citizens drove the National Guard in Mariupol, look at the results of the referendum.

            that they just wanted to live separately from Russia

            Would Ukraine let Crimea go by itself? No. Did Russia let Chechnya go? No.
            I don’t know the history of the beginning of the Chechen company, so I won’t argue about the facts. I think there are people on the site more knowledgeable than me.
            I think two things are important:
            1. Who first started the aggression.
            2. The result.
            As a result, we have developing Chechnya and the Crimea, crying with tears of joy.
            1. atalef
              atalef 24 May 2014 12: 18
              -1
              Quote: obraztsov
              I'm trying to explain to you that Ukraine has a legitimate president who is not allowed into the country.

              But is he trying to return? belay didn’t notice such weakness behind him

              Quote: obraztsov
              These are just words. I can also say that mass support is present

              It is strange that in 4.5 million Donbas you can’t get 1000 in the armed forces, even though half of those who are fighting came from Crimea and Russia.
              Well, where is the support?
              You know . what is the support of the people. this is when there is a demonstration of 100-150 thousand (that for the population 4.5 million times spit 0 and sweeps everything in its path. Well, where is something like that?

              Quote: obraztsov
              Would Ukraine let Crimea go by itself? No. Did Russia let Chechnya go? No

              Of course . only in one case is the expression of the will of the people. and in another terrorists

              Quote: obraztsov
              I don’t know the history of the beginning of the Chechen company, so I won’t argue about the facts.

              But in vain. by the way google the referendum of 1992 in Tatarstan - very interesting

              Quote: obraztsov
              I think two things are important:
              1. Who first started the aggression.
              2. The result.
              As a result, we have developing Chechnya and the Crimea, crying with tears of joy.

              Strange and not clear. Both those and those citizens of Russia sort of.
              1. obraztsov
                obraztsov 24 May 2014 12: 51
                +2
                But is he trying to return? belay didn’t notice such weakness behind him

                Yes, of course he would have returned. He himself talked about this, and even without it it is clear that being president is better than a runaway rat.

                It is strange that in 4.5 million Donbas you can’t get 1000 in the armed forces ... half of those who are fighting came from Crimea and Russia.

                Support for the Maidan was even less in percentage terms.
                On Strelkov’s side, only 10% are not local, the rest are from the DPR. They are fighting, already hundreds of dead. The Ukrainian side involved more than 15000 personnel, tanks, helicopters, artillery. And are you trying to convince someone that there is no civil war?

                by the way google the referendum of 1992 in Tatarstan - very interesting

                already heard this argument. Everything was decided there peacefully.

                Strange and not clear. Both those and those citizens of Russia sort of.

                didn't understand you. I’m just saying that now both in Chechnya and in Crimea the result is positive for Russia.

                And so what we have as a result:
                1. A legitimate president not duly removed from power.
                2. Opposition is silenced by all available means.
                3. Civil war is coming.
                4. The facts of genocide.
                5. A huge number of illegal armed groups.
                6. The intimidated population of the southeast.

                How can these elections be called legitimate? Do you really believe in what you are trying to convince everyone?
                1. atalef
                  atalef 24 May 2014 13: 25
                  0
                  Quote: obraztsov
                  and of course he would return. He himself talked about this, and even without it it is clear that being president is better than a runaway rat.

                  Better to be a living rat. than a dead president or wind up a term in prison (I think this is his opinion) Otherwise. why not come back. Well, at least to Donetsk?
                  Quote: obraztsov
                  On Strelkov’s side, only 10% are not local, the rest are from the DPR. They are fighting, already hundreds of dead.

                  in general, for all these figures, I have great skepticism.
                  Do not fight while there. if desired, all these militias would have been bombarded long ago as artillery. and aviation.
                  While this is all some status quo (with shootings) - nothing more

                  Quote: obraztsov
                  already heard this argument. Everything was decided there peacefully.

                  only why the referendum was not recognized as constitutional? Will of the people like?

                  Quote: obraztsov
                  A legitimate president, not properly removed from power.

                  so let it come back

                  Quote: obraztsov
                  Opposition is silenced by all available means.

                  It’s strange. how do we hear her then?
                  Quote: obraztsov
                  Civil war is coming.

                  This is not a civil war
                  Quote: obraztsov
                  The facts of genocide.

                  read the definition of the word - genocide
                  Quote: obraztsov
                  A huge number of illegal armed.
                  formations

                  And I'm talking about - not legal
                  Quote: obraztsov
                  Intimidated population of the southeast.

                  And both sides

                  Quote: obraztsov
                  How can these elections be called legitimate? Do you really believe in what you are trying to convince everyone?

                  like a referendum. that in the Crimea. that in Lugansk and Donetsk are legitimate?
                  1. obraztsov
                    obraztsov 24 May 2014 14: 03
                    0
                    I think stop pouring from empty to empty.

                    While this is all some status quo (with shootings) - nothing more

                    Yes, while the army and the National Guard are not operating in full force. Most likely after the election will begin. It is not yet possible to declare a counter-terrorist operation, because this is, according to the law, a reason for canceling elections.

                    like a referendum. that in the Crimea. that in Lugansk and Donetsk are legitimate?

                    There is a difference between the presidential election and the referendum. They have a different legislative framework.
            2. yehat
              yehat 24 May 2014 14: 55
              +1
              Quote: obraztsov

              Would Ukraine let Crimea go by itself? No. Did Russia let Chechnya go?

              You either don’t know the latest history, or you maliciously distort
              1. Crimea - why let him go if he wants to be with Russia?
              What is the essence of this release operation? "Go from us to Ukraine to the Pravosek people"? On the other hand, ask who Crimea does not want to be with
              and by eliminating the named ones, Russia alone will remain.
              2. Chechnya. Russia has already let her go. She was independent with her troops, etc. But, attacks began from the territory of Chechnya and the Russian Federation was forced to intervene to make Chechnya an analogue of Texas for the United States.
              Again, they would gladly refuse this, let them live quietly and peacefully, they would not have to spend huge money from the budget

              So these territorial acquisitions are the result of direct aggression by neighbors. Finally, do not forget that both Crimea and Chechnya were recently part of the USSR. And to clearly name their accession annexation does not work. I would like you to read the story of how Germany annexed territories in the 30s. And as it was called. Just compare.
              1. obraztsov
                obraztsov 24 May 2014 19: 47
                0
                I’m not sure that you understood me correctly. I wrote that Ukraine would not let Crimea go if it had such an opportunity.
                What you wrote about Chechnya I know and completely agree.
          2. ultra
            ultra 24 May 2014 11: 52
            +2
            I’ll find a hundred differences, because at that time I lived in Grozny, the norm was the weaning of apartments, cars, murders and abductions became the norm, and guess what representatives of the nations were the target of the attacks? I give a hint to the Chechens.
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          3. ty60
            ty60 27 May 2014 00: 33
            0
            the word pogrom doesn’t make you think? now at the forefront. When they don’t pay for gas and start to freeze, when besides chocolate there is nothing to eat, the pseudo-Ukrainian in the presidential chair will be an occasion. In Ukraine, it has long been popular, since the time of Petlyura
      3. Erg
        Erg 24 May 2014 12: 11
        0
        Sir, you have a complete clouding of consciousness, litter. It’s not even possible to comment
      4. ty60
        ty60 27 May 2014 00: 26
        0
        Mr. President, why don’t I think we’re glad? So I’m glad, I don’t think so.
    4. Erg
      Erg 24 May 2014 12: 05
      +1
      Why do states even need to hold elections? Spend money. There is only one step left until the complete "victory of democracy" - to take and simply appoint the President of Ukraine from Washington
  • 222222
    222222 24 May 2014 09: 49
    +7
    LAVROV 23 05 14 g
    "Question: Russia considers the upcoming May 25 elections in Ukraine illegitimate. How are you going to work with the new authorities?"
    Sergey Lavrov: You and some of your colleagues have peculiar habits: you first make a statement characterizing our position, and then your questions follow from this. We did not say that the elections would be a priori illegitimate. German Chancellor A. Merkel, other Western leaders are calling for this, they are forcing us to say that the elections will be a priori legitimate. But this is nonsense - how can you say in advance, several days or weeks before, that certain elections will be legitimate? We will see what really happens, who will vote, how the voting will be organized, whether it will pass under the cannonade of the so-called "Counter-terrorist operation", in which civilians, Ukrainians, military personnel, militias are dying, there are victims on both sides. Heavy equipment is used, including against residential areas. We will look at everything - how free will will be and what its results will be. Unlike our Western partners, who announced in advance that the upcoming elections would be legitimate, we prefer to be guided by the facts and first look at the result.
    We expect a lot in terms of objectivity of election observation from the OSCE monitoring mission. Unfortunately, there is reason to think that the results will try to smooth and "slightly hide" the facts that are not very pleasant for the current Ukrainian authorities and their sponsors. I will give an example. I know from a number of sources that the European participants of the OSCE observation mission in closed reports sent to their capitals, recognize that in the South-East 70-80% of residents are not pro-Russian, but want federalization, accept the idea of ​​federalization. Publicly, our Western colleagues say that only a few, some insignificant percentages (bandits, terrorists) use the slogan of federalization, and the rest of the population of the Southeast does not want to do this, wants to leave everything as it is and live in Ukraine, which will not change.
    Let's see what the real marks will be and compare with the conclusions that we will make ourselves based on the available information from various sources. "
    http://www.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline/74BBDC11B95FE48144257CE10050D72B
    ..there is there ..
    Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov answers questions from the media on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, May 23, 2014
    1. 222222
      222222 24 May 2014 09: 58
      +5
      Chizhov 22 05 14 g
      “Question: According to your information, there is an understanding in the European Union that the Kiev authorities are now dangerously flirting with overt neo-Nazi forces?
      Answer: I would say that there are not only neo-Nazi forces there, but simply Nazi forces who are not shy about demonstrating their commitment to the legacy of the “Third Reich”. Is there an understanding? I think there cannot be no understanding. But the European Union, in a sense, drove itself into a corner, initially taking a position of support for the Kiev regime, knowing perfectly well what kind of people they are and who among the leaders have such views. For example, I saw a representative of the European Union shaking hands with Mr. Tyagnibok, the leader of the Svoboda party, which, in the resolution of the European Parliament - I emphasize, not the State Duma of Russia, but the European Parliament - in December 2012, that is, immediately after she went to the Supreme Radu, was declared racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic. The European Parliament called on all political parties not to have any relations with them. Meanwhile, Right Sector has successfully transformed into a political party. Its leader is a candidate for the presidency of Ukraine and threatens sabotage and guerrilla warfare not only in eastern Ukraine, but also in Russia ... "
      ...
      http://www.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline/2030FC788F0D459344257CE1004D0BCA
      Interview of the Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the European Union, V.A. Chizhov, to Interfax, May 22, 2014
  • Turkir
    Turkir 24 May 2014 10: 01
    +5
    It is not in our interests to recognize.
    To this question, in St. Petersburg, Putin answered - "Money in the morning, chairs in the evening"
    And his mention of Yanukovych?
    In fact, the answer was: "We'll see."
    Recognize the Nazis, yes, after the events in Odessa, Mariupol, Slavyansk, Lugansk, after they shoot their conscripts?
    This is suicide.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 24 May 2014 10: 43
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    In the light of recent events, I would not be so categorical ... Maybe so, and recognizes ...


    If I understand Putin correctly, we won’t recognize the new elections, but we’ll still have to work with the new government, and will have to do it temporarily, as most likely after May 25 the new Ukrainian authorities will not last long.
  • Erg
    Erg 24 May 2014 11: 17
    0
    If we do not recognize with whom to negotiate. After all, those have not diminished. The situation is complicated. I hope that our people do not hit the mud in the face
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 24 May 2014 11: 42
    0
    hi
    Well, in some form, it may recognize, de facto, so to speak. With someone it is necessary to solve basic issues.
    And in full - this is unlikely.
    Especially Poroshek - tymoshenka and others like them, to recognize a scammer is not solid, but even, very, very harmful, on prestige issues as well.
  • istomin36
    istomin36 24 May 2014 13: 41
    0
    Quote: svp67
    In the light of recent events, I would not be so categorical ... Maybe so, and recognizes ...
    The US and EU are holding Putin for eggs, but he’ll probably come up with something ...
  • Spnsr
    Spnsr 24 May 2014 14: 37
    +1
    if they withdraw the troops from the southeast, and sit down at the negotiating table and write a new constitution affecting the opinion of all the inhabitants of Ukraine, it is quite possible, otherwise it will be a betrayal!
  • moscow
    moscow 24 May 2014 15: 39
    +2
    Russia recognizes the choice of the Ukrainian people, but not the presidential election.
    1. saag
      saag 24 May 2014 16: 44
      0
      Quote: moskow
      Russia recognizes the choice of the Ukrainian people, but not the presidential election

      It's like being a little pregnant, the choice of the Ukrainian people at present is the presidential election
  • Iskander Khan
    Iskander Khan 24 May 2014 17: 44
    +2
    If you pay the debts for gas and stop pressing the DNI and LC. Already not real. It was necessary to add - recognize the DNI and LC, and we Porosh. Let them get out. Gee!
  • nikolaev
    nikolaev 25 May 2014 01: 31
    +2
    Igor Gunmen

    Posted: Today at 19:37 Post subject:

    Since
    forum-ant ******* does not turn on, I drop the summary here (and you, gentlemen
    dragoons, distribute it).

    At night, our detachment attacked a checkpoint at the n.p. Drake (approximately
    two kilometers east of Slavyansk - north of Semenovka. Destroyed
    (burned out) 1 APC, one more is knocked out. Our losses are 1 volunteer.

    Today at 17.30 inflicted (as promised - artillery positions were
    placed outside the city) combined strikes on two
    enemy groups in the village of Kombikormovy and at the BPS checkpoint. The main
    efforts were concentrated on the latter - 90 min. 82 mm and 25 Nona shells.
    There was a little hell - almost immediately the gas station exploded ... It was
    several detonations of ammunition (they had a lot of things there and
    located one of the headquarters of the National Guard). It seems that ukrov has losses
    and hopefully considerable. Moreover, we have never once in their day artillery
    they didn’t shell at this point and they felt quite
    freely.

    The artillery of the invincible Ukrainian army in Karachun (and not only
    there) the extension of the column and the shelling itself missed and until the withdrawal
    Our batteries from the position could not make a single shot. However,
    our firing position, judging by where they belatedly started shooting, they
    not found at all.

    Another 80 volunteers came to us per day, including about 10 from Russia.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 24 May 2014 09: 00
    +33
    That’s why ..
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 24 May 2014 09: 40
      +5
      And for this reason ...
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 24 May 2014 09: 55
        +7
        And this is the main reason! Patience is over already ..
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  • a52333
    a52333 24 May 2014 09: 14
    +1
    . Washington’s affairs in Ukraine are very bad

    It is not clear why the respected author draws such conclusions.
    They, in my opinion, are not bad. GDP before the dilemma, do what you need, bad.
    Doing nothing worse.
    They have been engaged in the outskirts for 25 years. And if not for the "smart" performers, they could be congratulated on the victory.
    It turns out to cut us off from Europe. There are no countermeasures yet.
    1. Little Muck
      Little Muck 24 May 2014 10: 00
      +1
      Quote: a52333
      It turns out to cut us off from Europe. There are no countermeasures yet.

      I would not be so categorical. The game continues and Geyropa starts scratching his heads. The main move has not yet been made, although the "Eastern question" has been resolved in our favor. And this is not enough.
      Now, as in the song: Wait for your mother, wait for your mother. hi
      1. a52333
        a52333 24 May 2014 10: 25
        0
        I do not see the help. Not explicit, not hidden.
        DNR LC did not recognize. They said that we respect the choice.
        Money does not help? Can not hear.
        A weapon? We showed a block post on 15 about five people !!! automatic. ten horns of cartridges. Not a single RPG.
        ???????????????????? ¿
        1. Little Muck
          Little Muck 24 May 2014 10: 44
          +2
          Quote: a52333
          Money does not help? Inaudible. Weapons? They showed a block post for 15 people five !!! automatic. ten horns of cartridges. Not a single RPG.

          Read the info:
          http://slavyansk-info.livejournal.com/
          http://summer56.livejournal.com/
          And now it's not worth showing weapons openly. Although there is no doubt about the presence of "surprises", but where are they from ?????????
          And recognition of the DNI and LC or not recognition, these are the rules of the game so that the mosquito of the nose does not undermine.
          Something like that. hi
        2. 222222
          222222 24 May 2014 12: 44
          0
          "I don't see any help. Not explicit, not hidden."
          .. And you and we do not need to see her .. This is the professionalism of services of a certain purpose.
          For personal reassurance Look at the biography and ..Alexander Borodai-Prime Minister of the Donetsk Republic
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%B9,_%D0%90%
          D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80_%D0%AE%D1%80%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%D
          0% B8% D1% 87
        3. Kilo-11
          Kilo-11 24 May 2014 14: 06
          +1
          Not horns, but shops, horns at grocery stores are for sale.
    2. Turkir
      Turkir 26 May 2014 09: 01
      +1
      GAS DISABLE!
      BREAD AND WEAPONS in New Russia.
      ----
      Let them seek arguments.
  • saag
    saag 24 May 2014 09: 15
    +4
    Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow it will be clear what is there to guess on the coffee grounds, on the other hand it will leave the situation in Ukraine as it is. and giving them freedom of action
  • Kodar 75
    Kodar 75 24 May 2014 09: 18
    +4
    They do not recognize the referendum in the Crimea, in the Donbass and the Luhansk region - they will receive the same symmetrical response from Russia! There is nothing to curse about with these rear-wheel drive!
  • oppps
    oppps 24 May 2014 09: 19
    +8
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: svp67
    In the light of recent events, I would not be so categorical ... Maybe so, and recognizes ...

    If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse.


    This is only a minimum of trouble. For the drop in the rating, the opposition of Russia and the 5th column will again raise their heads and "recognition" means the complete defeat of Russia. After that, all that remains is to continue to supply gas to Ukraine for free, and in the near future to Europe.

    The recognition of these clinical stealing idiots (I am not afraid of the word) means a loss. And it’s very large.

    If Putin accepts this, then “two Jews and” outweighed everything else. But I am confident in Vladimir Vladimirovich that people like him do not stop a quarter of the way ...
  • mig31
    mig31 24 May 2014 09: 21
    +2
    The West is unable to control or cover the obvious genocide of its own people with this criminal clique. If there is an international tribunal for Ukraine, the accused number one should be the State Department and the EU next ...
    1. ty60
      ty60 27 May 2014 00: 48
      0
      here we’ll publicly insert in P.saku.
  • Neighbor
    Neighbor 24 May 2014 09: 21
    +2
    How will these elections be held? With what violations or without them does Mrs. Merkel not consider it necessary to report? Otherwise, recognize the cat in the bag, it turns out. Time will tell.
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  • kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 24 May 2014 09: 22
    +3
    The policy of shameless impudence, to admit these outbursts is to refute the victims in Odessa Mariupali, it is necessary to push nits and the faster the better!
  • marder4
    marder4 24 May 2014 09: 23
    +2
    about whether Russia recognizes the election or does not recognize it - it seems to me that the answer is known in advance, we don’t even send our observers there ...
  • kyznets
    kyznets 24 May 2014 09: 30
    +18
    Well, why is the question so categorical? After all, one can "respect" the will of the Western and Central (not South-Eastern) Ukrainians. This also confirms the recognition of the referendum in the southeast and the creation of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics. Guys! Someone, at least a near-legitimate one, must repay our debts for gas and loans? Let there remain at least a small Ukraine in the west, but capable of paying the debts. And this is only possible with more or less inherited power. For by not recognizing their new Fuhrer, we thereby affirm them that they do not owe us anything either, that now everything is from scratch. How many of you are ready to forgive 30-40 billion green American rubles for dill? Do we need this money in the Russian economy to raise the same Crimea, Donbas, Lugansk? Yes, and I have roads in Kamchatka, medicine, a TICKET to Moscow more than a piece of bucks in the summer.
    But most of Ukraine is now against Russia, they want elections and they want a new president. And for them, we Russians are occupants, Colorado,,, I am a Nazi face, s and quilted jackets. For most Ukrainians !!! After all, they still need to choose their FREEDOM themselves. Choosing a president, entering a collapse of the economy, into inflation, into rising prices, into falling living standards, can lead to hunger and cold. But let them choose it. To learn how to be grateful for cheap gas, for loans from Russia. And let them get the opportunity to compare all this with the help of the European Union.
    1. skayl
      skayl 24 May 2014 09: 43
      +1
      Greetings Nikolai +! Great answer, with good analysis, respect!
    2. soaring
      soaring 24 May 2014 09: 54
      +2
      Perhaps I agree with you kyznets! Everything is somewhat complicated and we don’t know much .... Of course, you can rinse the GDP, but so far it hasn’t made mistakes and this situation has also been calculated. Let's not rush to conclusions and look at the voting results in Ukraine and the reaction of Moscow and GDP in particular.
      But I don’t want to have a country in fascist form at my side, either ...
      Yours faithfully, hi
    3. DNR
      DNR 25 May 2014 10: 22
      +1
      From recognition, Russia will lose more than win.
      And Ukraine had the opportunity to compare for 23 years, when gas was cheaper than Europe supplied almost twice. And what did it turn out to be? They don’t want to pay at all. And the recognition of the elections will not return $ 30-40 billion. Anyway, there’s nowhere to take them from. And after a couple of years (or 10) - again some kind of Maidan - and again not legitimate elections. As in 2004, 2014. Russia will not get better from this.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 24 May 2014 09: 33
    +2
    I agree with the arguments about Russia's non-recognition of the elections in Ukraine given in the article. Fascism cannot be recognized! For Europe, the birthplace of fascism, recognition is organic, it is not the first time. Do not pay attention to all this howling of the current "elite". Only we, Russia, should not save from the brown plague, which the "cradle" of civilization periodically suffers, let the plague destroy the sick body.
  • dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 24 May 2014 09: 35
    +1
    Why recognize something. The elections of the Natsik took place before! I don’t understand the GDP. Do you recognize the power of banderlogs, killers, law-abductors? Or don’t I understand something? Campaign-you have to learn from Israel. They don’t give offense. They kill the murderers. Time- not the limit for them. And we? How many went unpunished? Where are the Wolfhounds? Or an advertisement for the average person? So they spit on us in a hat. Even the degenerate Psaki. And we ...
    1. Erg
      Erg 24 May 2014 12: 36
      0
      I read Ukrainian blogs ... The general impression is that the "Ukrainian people" support the situation. Approves Odessa (extermination of people) and ATO in the east. The horror takes when you read. I understand that there are also opposing people, but they are all driven into the cracks by the existing regime and are afraid of "being noticed." So the question is - what's the difference who and how will this reviving fascism choose?
    2. ty60
      ty60 27 May 2014 01: 01
      0
      there’s a friend and Sudoplatovs and Eitingons. So, their share is not to be advertised. Special operation is a long business. And we don’t know who they will give us a command for. And whether they will give us anything, they won’t let us know. In short, learn the materiel
  • dr.Bo
    dr.Bo 24 May 2014 09: 35
    +1
    Unfortunately, Putin has already made it clear at SPIEF that there will most likely be recognition ((. Although there is hope for the opposite.
    Has our GDP slowed down, or is it such a complicated "party" that an ordinary citizen cannot understand.
  • wandlitz
    wandlitz 24 May 2014 09: 36
    +2
    The elections have not yet begun, and the jackals have already howled, demanding to recognize their results. Well, what if tomorrow morning, does one of the main contenders for the presidency Kondraty hug or a meteorite visit the Kiev election commission?
  • Turkestan
    Turkestan 24 May 2014 09: 37
    +19
    http://ia108.mycdn.me/getImage?photoId=558949514358&photoType=3
    "Under the carpet" of the Crimean scenario
    No. 14 (406) of April 17, 2014 [“Arguments of the Week”]

    The decision on a military operation to ensure the implementation of the Crimean referendum was not taken out of the blue and not "out of the blue."
    According to our information, Russian intelligence agencies presented materials to the country's leadership on the role of the United States in preparing the blocking and seizure of military facilities of the Russian Black Sea Fleet by Maidan fighters. It was also planned to distribute part of the radical Crimean Tatars from weapons depots in Crimea. In addition to military facilities, the families of Russian servicemen should have become targets of the militants. Some of them were to be taken hostage in order to paralyze the will of the military to resist the militants.
    The President was presented with ciphers and telephone recordings of a U.S. military attache in Kiev and his assistant. In them, they instructed on this account the leaders of the Maidan fighters and certain groups of Crimean Tatars. From the interceptions it followed that the United States and the new authorities of Ukraine have a special and well-developed action plan in the Crimea.
    They say that the president was extremely outraged by this. The fact is that the heads of the USA and the FRG B. Obama and A. Merkel shortly before that asked him to “put pressure” on the Ukrainian president V. Yanukovych not to use force against the Maidan. And V. Putin did this by going to meet B. Obama and A. Merkel.
    After the intelligence report from V. Putin, that famous one and a half hour conversation took place on the night of March 1 to 2 with B. Obama. A difficult conversation, in which he expressed his indignation to B. Obama about the violation of the agreements between the heads of Russia and the USA and accused him of dishonesty. Mr. Obama did not find anything more intelligible than "the US military acted without my knowledge."
    After that, the Russian Ministry of Defense and the GRU of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia did everything to prevent this vile scenario. Instead of Bandera in the Crimea appeared "polite people" with weapons. Any US offers are now in doubt. It is clear that they are bending their line on pitting Old Europe with Russia. At the same time, Ukrainians remain only consumables.
  • sv68
    sv68 24 May 2014 09: 40
    +2
    why should Russia recognize fascism as the dominant power at hand? recognition of the elections immediately puts an end to Russia as a truly popular and anti-fascist state.
  • Al_miller
    Al_miller 24 May 2014 09: 41
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: svp67
    In the light of recent events, I would not be so categorical ... Maybe so, and recognizes ...

    If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse.

    Recognition of elections can be in one case - if they are not recognized by the OSCE.
  • southeast
    southeast 24 May 2014 09: 41
    +2
    Quote: Sid.74
    Facington needs to be put on a bandwagon, I have no idea how these Kiev ghouls will be received in the Kremlin after their words and calls to kill the Russians !!!
    The news is a little off topic, but all to the peak of Fashington !!!

    Russia plans to supply Syria 12 MiG-29M / M2 fighters to 2018 year
    May 24. / ITAR-TASS /. By the end of 2017, Syria may receive 12 MiG-29M / M2 fighters under a contract concluded with the Russian Federation in 2007. Sergei Korotkov, CEO of the Russian aircraft-building corporation MiG, announced this at the Kadex-2014 exhibition.
    “Four gliders have been made, but the contract was not signed today, we are carrying it out on the sly,” said Korotkov. Answering a question about the timing of the delivery of aircraft and the number of vehicles, he confirmed that the Syrian Air Force should receive 12 MiG-29M / M2 fighters during 2016-2017 under a contract signed in 2007.

    This is certainly good, but the timing would not hurt to force! Oh, how good Syria is needed now!

    What about the DNI and LC? Do you need a good technique there?
  • Turkestan
    Turkestan 24 May 2014 09: 41
    +1
    If this is true then this is PORN and normal people do not COMMUNICATE with pigs.
  • papss
    papss 24 May 2014 09: 43
    +3
    Putin, in his usual manner, took a time-out ... And the fact that he did not send observers is still not talking about anything !!! Here, the stakes are high. Now the scales are about 80 to 20 in favor of non-recognition. But, if the elections are held "without a misfire" (% of voters, no killings), and after Kiev stops the operation, sitting down at the negotiating table with the DPR, and there will be progress on gas, THEN IS COMPLETELY PROBABLY RECOGNITION ... And this will not be the acceptance of the West's ultimatum , in the form as expected ... Here, after all, the answer to the question is important - who, for everything, will pay and with what? Recognition of the elections, without all of the above, by Kiev (read the west and the US), automatically places the payment on Russia. And having won Ukraine, the West will move on to Crimea. I think that everyone understands ...
  • oppps
    oppps 24 May 2014 09: 43
    +2
    The puppeteers are completely sure that the West will force Putin to recognize their power. And all puppeteers and their owners do not give a damn that their elections have even less legitimacy than referenda in the DPR and LPR.

    Recognition of these elections is Putin’s political suicide. Not only in the West, but also in their own country. Does Putin look like a suicide?

    And all the so-called "analysts" who justify in advance the possible recognition by Putin of any of the junta candidates can be regarded as "psychoanalysts" that they are simply trying in advance to mitigate the HUGE disappointment that awaits the Russian and not only the people in the event of recognition of the elections in Ukraine Russia.
  • Dave36
    Dave36 24 May 2014 09: 44
    +2
    Wait .. what elections .. After the first round, Julia will again shake the Maidan ...
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 24 May 2014 09: 50
      +2
      That’s exactly Julia said that she intends to win in the second round.
  • buzer
    buzer 24 May 2014 09: 53
    +2
    but I think that after the elections in Ukraine, the GDP will again take a "pause". That is, he will not say anything, but will be silent. And watch. And when everyone is worried: "Why is Putin silent?" , he will say that ... Well, no one knows what he will say. It seems that those who were torn by his silence will begin to twitch even more intensely.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 24 May 2014 09: 54
    +1
    Insanity grows stronger. The election has not yet passed, and recognition is already required. It's time for them all to the General Staff.
  • Gray 43
    Gray 43 24 May 2014 09: 58
    +2
    I think that Putin’s recognition of the results of the election of the head of Ukraine will add oil to the smoldering tires of the Maidan and a war will begin between the pocket armies of the candidates, guess who will be blamed for this?
  • oppps
    oppps 24 May 2014 10: 03
    +6
    Quote: DEZINTO
    That’s exactly Julia said that she intends to win in the second round.


  • siberalt
    siberalt 24 May 2014 10: 12
    +2
    The fact that Russia does not recognize the legitimacy of the Ukrainian elections is now clear. We cannot, after not recognizing the legitimacy of the current leadership, deviate from our principles. Moreover, the elections will be held unconstitutionally. There is no new constitution, but according to the old (currently in force) there is a legitimate president Yanukovych. However, this does not mean that in economic matters Russia will not agree with the illegitimate new government. Although this is still far away. It seems that the election may be delayed.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 24 May 2014 10: 18
      +2
      Quote: siberalt
      Russia does not recognize the legitimacy of the Ukrainian elections, it is now clear

      He doesn’t recognize right away, but then we’ll talk with the remaining rat king, if his sanitary-epidemiological station doesn’t sentence.
  • oppps
    oppps 24 May 2014 10: 12
    +9
    Let's be optimistic! There will be no recognition, as well as free gas supplies to Ukraine!
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  • Simple
    Simple 24 May 2014 10: 16
    0
    A little off topic, but quite brisant:

    East (Germany) wants (in the distribution of subsidies from the state budget of Germany) compensation for the Russian invasion (during the Second World War).

    Saxony-Anhalt Minister Reiner Haseloff claims financial compensation for Saxony-Anhalt. The calculation should take into account migration from the east (Germany) (people, firms and factories) and the invasion of the Red Army.

    http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article128359842/Osten-will-Entschaedigun
    g-fuer-Einmarsch-der-Russen.html
  • Foxmara
    Foxmara 24 May 2014 10: 16
    +1
    and we could not send anyone to the polls. The EU has taken care. They were deprived of their rights in the OSCE for a year. And the Germans .. the Germans, our Volga regions have tried their best, now in Germany "not everything is so simple")) http://vk.com/id42537671?w=wall42537671_1782%2Fall
  • Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 24 May 2014 10: 33
    +2
    The title of the article is optimistic.
    In fairness, the Kiev junta (power) should not go to the polls, but striped robes along the stage.
    Well, let the Kremlin decide whether to recognize the results or not.
    According to merit, conscience or reckoning ...
  • MG42
    MG42 24 May 2014 10: 38
    -6
    Quote: author Victor Kamenev
    Another aspect, more important: recognition of elections held by the regime, in which neo-Nazis (Parubiy, Nalyvaychenko, Koval) are in the highest power positions, when they are already legally applying for the presidency (Yarosh, Tyagnibok, Lyashko) - recognition of the results of such elections equivalent to the recognition of Ukrainian Bandera Nazism.

    Viktor Kamenev, you at least watch the latest speeches of your President Putin. He said literally <we respect the choice of the Ukrainian people.>>
    as evidenced by the video. Those. he de facto recognizes the new ukropresident, despite all the reservations >>
    Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Moscow will recognize the results of the presidential elections in Ukraine, despite the fact that they will be held against the backdrop of a civil war in the country.

    Putin leaked New Russia sad those. there will be no official support for the DPR and LPR, apparently he made a bet on Poroshenko (the waltzman) of the chocolate hare.
    1. Simple
      Simple 24 May 2014 11: 54
      0
      Quote: MG42
      Putin leaked New Russia i.e. there will be no official support for the DPR and LPR, apparently he made a bet on Poroshenko (the waltzman) of the chocolate hare.


      Everyone understands to the best of their abilities.

      "... we will respect the choice of the Ukrainian people ..."- respects the will of the people.

      Then you, Sergey, apparently did not listen :-)

      so that:

      Putin leaked New Russia: there will be no official support for the DPR and LPR, apparently he made a bet on Poroshenko (the waltzman) of the chocolate hare.


      - this is the result of inability to listen.
      1. MG42
        MG42 24 May 2014 12: 01
        +2
        Quote: Simple
        Then you, Sergey, apparently did not listen :-)

        Just wait a couple of days to find out which of us is right.
        Most likely there will be a 2nd round of Tymoshenko against Poroshenko, then a couple of weeks. The fact that the elections will not take place in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in our country, the ruling regime does not care at all, as do the EU and the USA.
        1. Simple
          Simple 24 May 2014 12: 09
          +2
          Quote: MG42
          Just wait a couple of days to find out which of us is right.


          On the issue of Ukraine, a couple of days can’t get by; everything is interconnected; it’s like a law on communicating vessels.

          It will be painful for a long time for the people of Ukraine. Donetsk and Lugansk correctly does what separates from this madhouse.
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 24 May 2014 12: 07
      +3
      Quote: MG42
      He said literally “we will respect the choice of the Ukrainian people.”

      You don't know such a saying: "I love and respect you, I take you by the tail and see you off!" Respect does not mean not having an opinion!
      1. MG42
        MG42 24 May 2014 12: 14
        0
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Respect does not mean not to have an opinion!

        You probably have not entered the topic of how you can respect the choice of the "Ukrainian people" which will not be in Donetsk and Lugansk regions? winked
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 24 May 2014 14: 05
          +1
          Quote: MG42
          You probably have not entered the topic of how you can respect the choice of the "Ukrainian people" which will not be in Donetsk and Lugansk regions?

          Putin apparently meant respect for the choice of both residents of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, as well as residents of the rest of Ukraine. Have you heard that Putin said that the residents of Lugansk and Donetsk are not citizens of Ukraine? With you all running ahead of the engine, let's talk about it better after May 25th.
    3. ty60
      ty60 27 May 2014 01: 15
      0
      what Putin will say after the election, we will all hear. I think we have already received a diverse opinion with the conclusions of analysts.
  • oppps
    oppps 24 May 2014 10: 42
    +4
    It’s hard for Putin - he doesn’t recognize the elections - guilty for the West
    recognizes the election - to blame for Russia.

    Putin must recognize the election, but only in its western part ...
    1. MG42
      MG42 24 May 2014 10: 53
      +3
      Quote: oppps
      recognizes the election - to blame for Russia.

      Well, what does it “threaten” him with? a decrease in his presidential rating in the face of the patriotic electorate by some percentage, which is very high after the annexation of Crimea.
      Quote: oppps
      doesn’t recognize elections - to blame for the West

      And then all kinds of sanctions from the USA and the EU.

      In general, GDP has already made a choice by giving the go-ahead to withdraw Shoigu troops.
      1. BOB044
        BOB044 24 May 2014 11: 17
        +1
        MG 42 disagree with you Putin and Russia will not recognize the election. And MG 42 machine gun of Germany during WWII I understand correctly
        1. MG42
          MG42 24 May 2014 11: 32
          +2
          Quote: BOB044
          disagree Putin and Russia do not recognize the election

          yes these are your problems with understanding, refute your president. In general, Putin was silent for a long time, but spoke on this subject just yesterday.

          Quote: BOB044
          machine gun of Germany during WWII I understand correctly

          enable spelling andЕmay.
          And WWII is the American shooter understand correctly? winked
      2. tehnoluks
        tehnoluks 24 May 2014 21: 44
        +1
        Yes, it's just a couple of steps back to take off. Fog in, so to speak.
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 24 May 2014 10: 54
    +1
    From the Don.
    Well, I didn’t expect that the former Komsomol member, however, was not at all beautiful: she would lie: under a nigga! Her brains were no longer enough!
  • kingnothing
    kingnothing 24 May 2014 10: 55
    +1
    Merkel then fuss. He knows that the summer that has not begun, will soon end ...
  • ioann1
    ioann1 24 May 2014 11: 03
    +1
    Merkel, like many of her entourage, creating the prerequisites for the seizure of power by Bandera, bears all responsibility to humanity. Already thousands of dead and tortured! Blood flows not only on the hands of the killers, but also on the hands of this Merkel with her sneaks. Merkel is involved, which means she is an accomplice of the Nazis, she must be held accountable for the murder of civilians in Ukraine. But, drawing Russia in with the recognition of the results of these elections, Merkel is trying to shift the responsibility to Russia.
    The West is more and more bogged down in a bloody mess of fascist crimes. Their hour of reckoning will come, and very quickly! The Nuremberg trials are coming, Frau M.!
  • Imigrantt
    Imigrantt 24 May 2014 11: 04
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: svp67
    In the light of recent events, I would not be so categorical ... Maybe so, and recognizes ...

    If he recognizes them, Putin’s rating will simply collapse.

    And where does the rating ???????????? In Kiev, the junta and the junta arrange elections, so to speak, internal castling !!! From which the essence will not change !!!! Initially, Putin did not recognize the temporary workers - why should he recognize them after May 25 !!! I do not find logic !!!! The GDP has repeatedly shown that he is a thinking person and after doing !!!!! And the rating has nothing to do with !!!! I am sure he doesn’t think about it at first, he is the grand master who started the party and must end it with a crushing obscenity !!! He is in the game and he is not up to the ratings !!!! The warriors in Russia had a motto; Fight is life and in order to survive you need to think only about the battle and nothing more !!!!!!!!!! hi
  • BOB044
    BOB044 24 May 2014 11: 07
    +1
    Europe needs us to recognize the elections, and then transfer the settlement of the crisis to Russia for our money. We will feed Kiev and the Southeast will turn away from us. Europe and Washington brewed it all and now do not know how to get it all apart. The issue with gas is also in a hung state. And if that doesn’t work, then Russia can be blamed.
  • Dave36
    Dave36 24 May 2014 11: 09
    0
    I wanted to write a comment ... but already wrote it)) That's right .. there is a fight .. and it is long ..
  • Spasatel
    Spasatel 24 May 2014 11: 09
    +2
    Yes hr..n with her, with this Hohland! Let them rake what they have done. But to recognize this abomination as legal authority is by no means possible! Only thanks to Russia's tough stance on this issue of the legitimacy of fascism in Ukraine, we earned a lot of dividends from ordinary people in Europe who read and analyze the Internet. Russia, as the USSR used to have, had ideological allies, even if they are few so far, but they have appeared in many countries. We need to do everything to have more!
    But if we surrender our ideological position and recognize the Khokhlyatsk rabble, those who understood us today in the West will turn away from us again tomorrow ...
    1. BOB044
      BOB044 24 May 2014 11: 23
      0
      I agree to us this abomination to admit to humiliate ourselves
  • Dejavu
    Dejavu 24 May 2014 11: 13
    0
    He does not recognize them. Most likely they will start a dialogue with them on gas and other issues, but the GDP will definitely not be recognized by the fascists.
  • Twilight
    Twilight 24 May 2014 11: 25
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Ukraine without a dialogue with Russia will not lose anything (enough disputes) -!

    No sponsors! Greece helped so that the debt increased from 125% of GDP (at the beginning of the crisis) to 175% of GDP (today), unemployment surpasses 30% and social pfuk did ... SO THESE SPONSORS know how to help !!!
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 11: 46
      -1
      Quote: Dusk
      No sponsors! Greece helped so that the debt increased from 125% of GDP (at the beginning of the crisis) to 175% of GDP (today), unemployment surpasses 30% and social pfuk did ... SO THESE SPONSORS know how to help !!!

      It was 2 weeks ago in Cyprus (the same Greece and the same debts), so rare lazy people, completely sucks. if it weren’t for the EU (who accepted them through stupidity) - they would have lived at the level of the 3rd world countries (had the good fortune to be in both countries even before they joined the EU) - but drove through the ears of gullible burghers (who believed that everything they work a priori like them) and as a result - they got parasites.
      Cyprus morning 8.00, working day. Our ship enters - not a soul of the people. Only at 9-10.00 in Larnaca (as in Lemassol 0, people begin to crawl out of their homes - despite the fact that from 13.00 they have a siesta.
      Parasites and liars - do not give these countries as an example. This is not an indicator.
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 24 May 2014 12: 30
        0
        Quote: atalef
        rare lazy people

        I’ve heard about the Greeks for a long time .. all Germans work - and these fiesta ... for 2 hours! Yes, and at the height of the working day .. and these tea parties can be several.
        I remember when my dad worked under a contract in a Greek port (the port was deepened, it was equipped) - he told me that they can only relax and they don’t accept any business (except ship tourism) (since it’s hard for them to work hard).
        Still the same Spaniards (the same problems) the truth is there a little better.
        I would not look for the causes of debts and a collapse of the economy only in greedy burghers stealing the countries of the south - traditionally the southern countries are not particularly working .. a sure insolation without labor discipline - creates trouble.
        Ukrainians, in my opinion, are injecting much more for a much lower wage, this is a question of the efficiency of the production itself ..
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 12: 44
          0
          Quote: Cristall
          I remember when my dad worked under a contract in a Greek port (the port was deepened, it was equipped) - he told me that they can only relax and they don’t accept any business (except ship tourism) (since it’s hard for them to work hard).

          We sell the sun, they say. But for some reason, at the expense of the EU. laughing For its price and without asking. Well, what were the cuts at the Olympics in Athens - Sochi just resting
          Quote: Cristall
          Still the same Spaniards (the same problems) the truth is there a little better

          The Portuguese are the same.

          Quote: Cristall
          traditionally southern countries are not particularly working .. a sure insolation without labor discipline - it creates trouble.

          you need to come to Israel
          My third toast (upon arrival in Russia or Ukraine) - as a rule - God forbid. plow like us.
  • chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 24 May 2014 11: 26
    +1
    Recognition of the so-called "elections" in Kiev as legitimate will create a legal precedent for holding similar "elections" in Somalia, for example. The situation is similar. The Somali pirates do not have a gas pipe. They steal at sea. And the dill spits out the gas. The only difference is in the details.
  • Aragorn
    Aragorn 24 May 2014 11: 27
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Sid.74
    Well, who? Promises from the IMF as the domestic currency and debt obligations from the USA! There are no investments, only zilch remained from the commodity circulation with the CU!

    So what ? Do you think that Ukraine, after all that has been vseravno crawls on its knees to Russia. You yourself understand. that this will not happen. In Ukraine (except for 2 regions), calmly and somehow demonstrations with a demand in the TS are not observed.

    Quote: Sid.74
    Tell us what freight traffic remained in Odessa, how many ships enter the ports?

    Yes, even no, what's the difference?

    Quote: Sid.74
    Schaub didn’t drag our budget!

    and what are you ready to help the Nazis and Bandera? But for this it is necessary to recognize the election
    Quote: Sid.74
    About fuel for nuclear power plants to remind you or abroad will help us with curved rods!

    These are all such stupid things.
    Power makes politics, power will be elected and believe me, they will not give up this power for nuclear fuel.
    Sell ​​the drawings and technology of Satan to China - do you think China will not buy?

    Quote: Sid.74
    In general, Ukraine is not Donbass say? What are already measured with the loss?

    Yes, I do not care. only Ukraine is not Donbass

    Quote: Sid.74
    The fact is that the United States intended to mine magical shale gas in the bowels of the Donbass

    Now there is no gas in Ukraine, if not, nothing has changed in general

    Quote: Sid.74
    that the loss of Donbass will turn out for Ukraine additional infusions several times more!

    Donbass - subsidized region - or prove the opposite


    I will tell you how a region (industrial) in Ukraine can become subsidized. The factories are located in the regions, the company is registered in Kiev (or elsewhere), and taxes are paid at the place of registration. As a result: where production taxes do not replenish the budget - "unprofitability", and where there is no production - the indicator is wonderful.
    1. tehnoluks
      tehnoluks 24 May 2014 21: 52
      +2
      And more about subsidies. Akhmetovs / Poroshenkovs / Kolomoisky and others. horseradish squeeze out of "subsidized" regions. So there is money there. Look wider, "over the truncated" so to speak. And then they rested in particular, and the Claudia are raping how much in vain.
  • s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 24 May 2014 11: 39
    +1
    Dear! Here on the fingers, please explain that so especially recently, Merkel so bent under Obama? There were neutral, on both sides, one can say the economic benefits. Nothing personal, business. And now, as a lot, I have bitten. All to the peak. And this is not so, and that is not that. Did the wiretap give such a result? Pliz!
  • AKS-U
    AKS-U 24 May 2014 11: 52
    +5
    In order for Russia to recognize the "elections", it is necessary to return on February 21, by the time of the signing of the Agreements between Yanukovych and the Maidan opposition. One of the points is the disarmament of the Maidan. Maidan disarmed? No? All rstal geneva have no meaning. Empty sound. By the way, there are signatures of the Foreign Ministries of Germany, France and Poland. These guys and poke their noses into the signed document. Do it - we'll talk. But no, and no trial. So, cuckoo Grisha with the recognition of the elections.