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Dust off Moonlight. The first astronauts landing on the moon are planned in 2030 year.

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Russia thought about the moon seriously and for a long time. At least, the development of our nearest celestial neighbor, or rather, the "companion" with its subsequent colonization is called among the three strategic tasks that the country faces in the space sphere.

As said, Russia is going to come to the moon forever, because it is not an intermediate point in the distance. This is an independent goal. Indeed, it is hardly advisable to make 10-20 flights to the moon, and then, leaving everything, to fly to Mars or asteroids.

What attracts the moon scientists and designers? First of all, the fact that it can become a unique training ground. Nobody denies the flight of a man to Mars, this is the most important scientific perspective, but long-term. And the Moon is a near goal, an important intermediate stage that will help solve the Martian problem.

80 tons - a rocket of at least such a payload is required for flights to the moon
And we must understand, experts say, this is not the Moon on which the Americans once landed. Always thought that there is no water. It turned out there is - in the form of ice, and, according to estimates, quite a lot. And if the ice, roughly speaking, decomposed into hydrogen and oxygen, you get fuel for rocket engines. Imagine the opportunities that open up? - experts ask a rhetorical question.

The moon can be used as an international space station. Having located here the scientific equipment, radar, optical systems, it is possible to begin studies that are impossible on the ISS. Telescopes from the moon will see better than the earth! This will be a unique testing ground for new technology and technology, including for future flights to Mars.


And, of course, proximity to the Earth is another serious trump card. Fly to the moon three days - there, three days - back. If something is forgotten, you can always deliver. If the astronaut is sick - return.

As the head of Roscosmos Oleg Ostapenko said in a recent interview with RG, the technological possibilities for creating permanently functioning lunar bases that will perform tasks of a scientific nature are being considered. Now scientists are working on options for a long autonomous stay of people on the moon.

However, experts do not hide: since 1976, when the Soviet station Luna-24 for the third time brought samples of lunar soil to Earth, a lot has changed. Experience on the technology of the same soft landing on the moon is, but it is now basically help as an example of how to work, and all elements of technology require a radical update.

That is, we need to re-learn how to transfer interplanetary stations to departure trajectories and control them, to ensure a soft landing of scientific modules and efficient operation of mobile robots, to extract and research (and if necessary, return to Earth) soil samples from other planets ...

According to analysts, to achieve not some political goals, but specific technical ones, one must go consistently. Step by step, as they say techies. And because they believe that the exploration of the moon is possible in three stages.

The first is designed for 2016-2025 years: it is the launch of the automatic interplanetary stations "Luna-25", "Luna-26", "Luna-27" and "Luna-28". They will have to determine the composition and physicochemical properties of the regolith with water ice and other volatile compounds and select an area near the lunar South Pole to deploy the landfill and lunar base.

The second stage is the 2028-2030 years, manned expeditions into the orbit of the moon without disembarking it.

And the third, in 2030-2040, is already a cosmonaut visiting the selected area and deploying the first elements of the infrastructure. In particular, it is proposed to start building elements of the lunar astronomical observatory, as well as objects for monitoring the Earth.

It is possible that the landing site of the probe, which is scheduled to launch in 2019, may become a place to house the future Russian base on the moon. “We actually choose the landing area at the South Pole not for one project, but with regard to its continuation, development,” say the experts. They are convinced that the location of the astronomical observatory is much more attractive in this place, because from the South Pole the center of the Galaxy is visible - in the constellation Sagittarius.

It is said that the world's first detailed design of a lunar base was developed by Soviet designers in 1964-1974. That program included launching the moon in unmanned mode of the main module of the lunar base. After that, several automatic devices would go there.

Inhabited modules could be mounted on a wheeled chassis, interlock with each other and form a whole mobile train running on electricity produced by a nuclear reactor. The work was planned on a rotational basis - for six months for each team of 12 people. The deadline for settling the lunar town was scheduled for the end of the 80-s ...

And in one of the American projects, the lunar base looked like this: cylindrical containers with a diameter of 3 m and a length of 6 m are laid in a ditch a depth of 3,5 m, joined by sealed vestibules and filled with lunar soil. This is for better thermal insulation and protection from meteorite impacts. The energy base should have been provided by two nuclear reactors.

What do modern engineers and designers see lunar bases? Time will tell. But now we can say with a high degree of confidence: without 3D printing, which literally works wonders on Earth, it will not do here. Let's say, an 3D printer has already been created, which can be built literally in an 24 hour, that is, print the whole house. According to the engineers, the space soil will be the material for printing on the moon. This means that with the help of lightweight robotic systems, it will be possible to build a base on the spot.

Residential buildings can be a combination of inflatable modules, delivered from Earth, and a "printed" external rigid frame. They must protect the colonists from the fall of small meteorites, dangerous gamma radiation and huge temperature drops.

However, the construction itself is still very far away. Today, designers are faced with the most important task - the creation of a rocket carrier of a super-heavy class and a promising manned spacecraft, without which the most exciting plans for flights to the Moon and Mars will remain on paper.

Say, the moon will need a rocket carrying capacity up to 80 tons. Intensive studies of possible variants of super heavy class carriers are carried out not only in Russia, but also in the USA, China, India, and Europe. One of the most difficult and responsible is the choice of parameters of the missiles used in manned programs. Including for flights with the landing of astronauts on the surface of the moon.

Meanwhile

Long-term human presence on the moon will require the solution of the most serious problems. First of all, radiation and meteor protection. A separate line is the lunar dust, which consists of sharp particles (since there is no smoothing effect of erosion), and also has an electrostatic charge. As a result, it penetrates everywhere and, having an abrasive effect, reduces the life of the mechanisms. And getting into the lungs, it becomes a threat to human health.
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  1. Ptaha
    Ptaha 24 May 2014 07: 41
    +20
    "The first landing of astronauts on the moon is planned in 2030 ..." - I would add "The first Real ones, not filmed in the pavilion" wink
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 24 May 2014 07: 46
      +16
      Quote: Ptaha
      I would add "The First Real, not filmed in the pavilion" wink

      And what a correct train of thought! I like it !!! And there our pioneers will leave their mark !!!tongue

      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 24 May 2014 11: 02
        +5
        Yes, it’s time to move into space for a long time, and then there is already so much money swollen, after Gagarin 43 years have passed, but as a result only satellites fly. And the Americans, in general, with their video channel of discovery, have eaten the entire baldness that they already have one foot on Mars and the Moon no longer even interests them.
        1. clidon
          clidon 24 May 2014 11: 15
          +4
          I will not be surprised if in 2030 your post can be repeated to the letter. Only the number of years passed is corrected.
          The problem is that such a promotion is very expensive, but it brings very little practical sense. In the days of Gagarin, propaganda cream was removed from these records, and now space is of little interest to the population.
          1. Ivan Petrovich
            Ivan Petrovich 24 May 2014 11: 28
            +7
            auto RU. and since when did our astronauts become called astronauts?
            most likely no flights to the moon until the age of 25. and the World Cup is just around the corner ... not to the moon
          2. ZU-23
            ZU-23 24 May 2014 12: 30
            +2
            Quote: clidon
            and now space is of little interest to the population

            Yes, many people are interested in space
            1. clidon
              clidon 24 May 2014 12: 50
              +5
              Ask people who are currently flying on the ISS. How many people are there. The most striking events of the past year. In most cases, I hear only strained mooing. Well there rovers ... And how many are there? Figs knows him.
              Of course, there are those who are interested in astronautics, there are not so few of them, but they are now orders of magnitude less than 40 years ago, when astronautics was a world hobby and competition.
              1. Penzyac
                Penzyac 24 May 2014 13: 57
                +3
                Quote: clidon
                ...
                Of course, there are those who are interested in astronautics, there are not so few of them, but they are now orders of magnitude less than 40 years ago, when astronautics was a world hobby and competition.

                The thing is that the ISS and the vast majority of other space projects have turned into a simple routine, there are practically no significant breakthroughs, not like 40 years ago. For propaganda (where without it) achievements are needed, where are they? The same lunar project could be an excellent advertisement, but not at such a time (more like a golimy cut of the budget, like, either the donkey will die, or the paddies). In addition, with such terms and volumes of work (and financing), spacecraft will not only morally but physically age faster than the next ones, which is already planned and, moreover, effective exploration of the Moon and, especially, Mars and etc. During such a time, the very same Chinese with their desire and zeal may well not only catch up, but also surpass. No matter how our visionary and overly cautious and greedy businessmen and authorities did not have to bite their elbows.
                1. clidon
                  clidon 24 May 2014 15: 59
                  +1
                  Routine? Well, are landing the Mars rovers on Mars or a giant telescope in orbit an achievement? Progress. Is there a lot of talk about them (and this with all the power of the American media), gossip discussions? Yes, we chatted and drove - well, rovers and rovers.
                  It will be the same with the Moon - the world will say "They repeated the flight of the Americans of the 70s!" and in a week they will forget .. They will talk in Russia for a month, schoolchildren and most of the population of Russia will know the names of the heroes. The second expedition will be more news, and the third will be a routine.
                  There is nothing you can do about it - "this is the norm" ... Humanity is interested in some kind of revolutionary novelties. Once upon a time, archaeologists and paleontologists bathed in the rays of glory, there was a peak in popularity with cinema and music, athletes took away their years of super-enthusiasts, nuclear scientists and space.
                  In addition, competitiveness is needed (don’t feed people with bread, let’s feel involved in something great), but here it is unlikely to be intense. The United States certainly did not gather on the moon, but the rest is not so interesting.

                  Well, as for outdated space rockets - everything is simple - they work and they are quite enough for "managing".
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        2. CALL.
          CALL. 24 May 2014 15: 18
          +3
          Quote: ZU-23
          Yes, it’s time to move into space, and then so much money has been swollen, after Gagarin, 43 years have passed

          1966 to 1974 in the USSR, work was carried out to create a lunar rocket H1. And while this work continued, the threat of a "lunar" counteroffensive of the USSR hung over the Americans. But in 1974 this work was stopped. Currently, the efforts of many ill-wishers, and often simply not very knowledgeable people, portray work on H1 as a doomed waste of time and money without any significant results. during the fourth test, the first stage worked out 95% of the time set for it and provided the minimum necessary acceleration of the entire complex. “In the assembly and testing building of Baikonur, the following two vehicles are already ready for launch. In August 1974, the fifth launch was due to take place, and at the end of the year, the sixth, and, as the designers thought, the last before the N1 was put into operation. Even the most cautious minds called 1976 the deadline for the new machine to be fully debugged, ”wrote V.P. Mishin.
          The same opinion and B.E. Chertok: “In 1974, it was still not too late to take revenge in the lunar race. Preparing to launch H1 No. 8 with new engines. I am sure that after one or two launches the rocket will begin to fly. Then in three or four years we are able to carry out a lunar expedition and create a lunar base. With H1 (connected) interplanetary and other not so fantastic prospects ... Thus, we will bypass the Americans. We are capable of much more. ”
          In vain, hundreds of teams and thousands of people worked for two whole years to improve the entire rocket. When in the summer of 1974 everything was ready for testing a new rocket with new engines, the expected success did not come. “Although the flight design phase provided for 6 flights, and the development progress promised success in the next launches, the work was suspended and officially stopped after 1,5 years ... Decisions have already been made at such a level that it takes time for congress delegates and even his presidium is useless. ”(V.P. Mishin).
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 25 May 2014 09: 32
            +2
            Using 30 (!) Engines in the first stage was a dead end solution, which was shown by the launches. The more engines, the greater the probability of failure. A complex system for compensating for skewed traction, in the event of an engine failure with the shutdown of the opposite one, could not cope. Yes, and traction was reduced.
        3. CALL.
          CALL. 24 May 2014 15: 36
          +3
          In 1976, the USSR was the first to fly to the moon. But someone in the Central Committee of the CPSU not only hid from the Soviet people that the Americans were not on the moon, but also destroyed the almost finished N1 rocket.
          1. sams
            sams 24 May 2014 17: 51
            +3
            "The first landing of astronauts on the moon is planned in 2030"
            And someone else believes in this lie. I remember very well how recently, at the turn of the 21st century, the topic of a manned flight to Mars was actively discussed in the media (loud statements were made by responsible persons, some experiments were carried out, considerable funds were allocated, etc.).
            For example: The new project of the "Martian Manned Orbital Station" (MARPOST) "... The date has been named when MARPOST can enter the Martian orbit. This is 2014long before the US, Europe or China can even come close to achieving such a goal. The cost of the project is no more than $ 14 billion. Thus, the annual spending on it will amount to about $ 1,4 billion per year. This is almost three times the current annual budget of the Federal Space Agency. But if we consider that the aggregate innovative, technical and political potential of MARPOST is several times greater than that laid down in the draft of the entire Federal Space Program for 2006–2015, then the costs of the Martian station will certainly pay off ... "Nezavisimaya Gazeta from 22.12.2004.
            And where is it all !!! ??? No.
            Saw dough and rubbish the brains of the layman

        4. Alex
          Alex 10 July 2014 21: 32
          +3
          Quote: ZU-23
          And the Americans, in general, with their video channel of discovery, have eaten the entire baldness that they already have one foot on Mars and the Moon no longer even interests them.

          And when this adventure fails miserably, they will speak of Jupiter with the same pathos. Or Alpha Centauri.
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      3. fennekRUS
        fennekRUS 24 May 2014 19: 35
        +1

        Everything is stolen before us :) (C) from 9:00
      4. Srgsoap
        Srgsoap 25 May 2014 09: 16
        +3
        Well, or something like that! wassat
    2. iwind
      iwind 24 May 2014 12: 16
      -1
      You can immediately see Astronomy at school no longer fall ... It's sad, not to be ashamed not to be ashamed, ashamed not to want to study.
      There were 6 (six) flights to the moon and 12 astronauts landed on the moon, several tens of kilograms of lunar soil were brought, which were transferred to all the major scientific research institutes of the world.
      1. maskwich
        maskwich 24 May 2014 12: 19
        +1
        Quote: iwind
        12 astronauts landed on the moon, brought several tens of kilograms of lunar soil that was transferred to all the major research institutes of the world.

        Bugaga, only then this "lunar" soil turned out to be terrestrial from the bottom of the ocean ... laughing
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 24 May 2014 12: 42
          +1
          Quote: maskwitch
          Bugaga

          How long?!
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            1. Apollo
              Apollo 24 May 2014 12: 56
              +3
              Quote: maskwitch
              It is strange that on the Russian patriotic site there was no worthy Russian moderator

              There are quite worthy moderators of Russians at the forum. As for me as a moderator, it’s up to me to decide for this there are other moderators, and first of all Admins.
              View The advice of the site and visitors to the forum for me is higher than yours.
              Finally hang up.
              1. maskwich
                maskwich 24 May 2014 13: 07
                +1
                Quote: Apollon
                The forum has enough worthy moderators of Russians

                I agree, but the desire is in the blood of Caucasians
                Quote: Apollon
                Russians

                Quote: Apollon
                Admins.

                This is written with a small letter, but among Caucasians it is customary to please verbally, holding a dagger behind winked

                Quote: Apollon
                Finally hang up.

                Good night hi
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                2. maskwich
                  maskwich 24 May 2014 14: 14
                  0
                  The theme of "landing on the moon" by the Amers has long been "sucked", but the fact that modern has removed the word "lick", which stood after the word "aspiration" in the phrase
                  Quote: maskwitch
                  I agree, but the desire is in the blood of Caucasians

                  casts thoughts on the use of official position for personal purposes wassat
                  However, I have already been issued a warning from this moderator for insulting the moderator in PM ... Soon, I will probably get it for insulting in my thoughts ... winked
                  For me, this Belvedere is full zero negative
      2. clidon
        clidon 24 May 2014 12: 35
        +1
        They brought even more - 382 kilograms.
        1. sams
          sams 24 May 2014 18: 10
          +4
          Yes, they simply could not physically be there (on the moon).
          There is such a Van Alen belt ...
          Here is the conclusion of some scientists:
          "CONCLUSION
          Apollo did not fly to the moon, they circled in a low reference orbit, being protected by the Earth’s magnetosphere, simulating a flight to the moon, and received radiation doses of a normal orbital flight.
          In general, the history of "man's stay on the moon" is several decades old! The flight of the Americans to the moon can be compared to a chess game. On the one hand, there was NASA, the great-power prestige of the nation, politicians and "advocates" of NASA, on the other hand there were Ralph Rene, Yu. I. Mukhin, A. I. Popov and many other enthusiastic opponents. Opponents staged a lot of chess checks, one of the last - "Man on the Moon. The sun in the pictures of Apollo is 20 times bigger!" This article, on behalf of all opponents, is declared to be NASA's checkmate.
          Despite the danger of RPZ and politics, of course, humanity will not remain forever on Earth ... The main way to bypass the Van Alen radiation belts is to change the flight path to the Moon and electromagnetic protection from electrons. "
          http://ligaspace.my1.ru/news/2010-02-06-217
          1. sams
            sams 24 May 2014 21: 19
            -1
            Here people are minus. I’m interested, but didn’t they bother to open and read the link first?
            If laziness, then in a nutshell:
            The flight to the moon at the present time (and during the Apollo missions) is difficult due to the fact that crossing the Van Alen belt is often incompatible with life due to very high radiation (a lead screen of at least 20 mm is required).
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 25 May 2014 09: 37
            -4
            Learning is light, not scientists - darkness! Do not read the "conclusion of some scientists" before dinner!
            Quote: sams
            Apollo did not fly to the moon, they circled in a low reference orbit, being protected by the Earth's magnetosphere, simulating a flight to the moon
      3. Erg
        Erg 24 May 2014 12: 47
        0
        So why create a rocket of 80 tons, if it was already in 1969. After all, in your opinion, the Americans landed on the moon ... The article is complete nonsense. Unscientific. Antihistorical. Antilogical, after all.
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 24 May 2014 14: 21
          +4
          Quote: Erg
          So why create a rocket of 80 tons, if it was already in 1969. After all, in your opinion, the Americans landed on the moon ... The article is complete nonsense. Unscientific. Antihistorical. Antilogical, after all.

          The American rocket, just like our Energia, is now preserved only in the drawings and cannot be immediately manufactured; a rather lengthy and financially costly process of restoring competence (production) is required.
          As for the Americans on the Moon: the Americans got it wrong, using staged pavilion photography for the best picture, and now only landing in the same places of non-Americans (best of all ours or the Chinese) can help dispel doubts. The "lunar soil" rigolite is the basic rock of many stone meteorites, I think it is quite possible to imitate it by simply mechanically grinding several such meteorites. So, the Americans themselves are to blame for the fact that they do not believe, too often they lied and lie to achieve their momentary goals (even at the UN).
          1. Erg
            Erg 24 May 2014 21: 05
            +3
            Thanks for the answer. I will tell you that there was no rocket at all. The third step is fufel, sorry for the expression. Have you seen the Apollo computer? Now, in order to dock, communication with the MCC is required. The Americans managed to dock manually. Do not do any tests and test flights (monkeys, dogs, etc.). In 61st they lag behind us with spacewalks. And in 69 they were already "running" on the moon. I have spent hundreds of hours researching this scam. I would gladly debate this topic with you. But not within this site. There are much interesting topics here. Yours faithfully
            1. andj61
              andj61 24 May 2014 23: 05
              +3
              Listen, why are our cosmonauts (there is Leonov’s interview), and space program managers, the same Korolev, Mishin, perceived the flight of the Americans as a fait accompli? After all, controls were then, believe me! At least, their ship was definitely in lunar orbit, the lander descended to the surface of the moon and rose from it.
              1. Erg
                Erg 25 May 2014 15: 08
                -1
                I already wrote here somewhere. I will repeat myself. Throw in some information for reflection. Why in the early 70s did the Americans lift the embargo on the Union's hydrocarbon supplies to Europe? Why was it allowed to hold the Olympiad in Moscow? In the final, we unanimously "won" against Los Angeles. Why did Nixon visit us for the first time since the war? Why did the states start selling us wheat at half the price on the domestic market? There are dozens of "why" such. But there was a cruel cold war. The Iron Curtain ... And I consider Leonov a liar, pursuing his own mercantile goals. Ashamed of him. The first manned spacewalk. Space Legend ... Hmm ...
              2. Erg
                Erg 25 May 2014 15: 19
                0
                Do you know with what attempt the successful landing of the automatic station was successful? A lot of them crashed ... And how many modules without a crew did the Americans land (with the subsequent launch) on the moon? No one! No trials! Dear people, even now we will not be able to fly to the moon. Well, no technology. Including the mind. And in 1969 ... Docking in manual mode (without computers) in lunar orbit? Landing on the moon? Takeoff? NOW CAN'T !!! Did you see Leonov when he went out into outer space (his movements)? How dangerous and difficult it is. And the Americans on the moon almost drive football. Tired of discussing ...
                1. Alex
                  Alex 10 July 2014 22: 06
                  +3
                  Quote: Erg
                  And the Americans on the moon almost drive football.

                  Even golf! Pull a golf club in KK, where each gram of load is more expensive than gold ...
            2. Bayonet
              Bayonet 25 May 2014 09: 39
              -5
              Quote: Erg
              I spent hundreds of hours studying this scam.

              A worthy candidate for the Shnobel Prize!
              1. Erg
                Erg 25 May 2014 15: 32
                0
                Yes to me ... For God's sake. Time will pass and much will be revealed
            3. Erg
              Erg 25 May 2014 15: 28
              0
              Almost a dozen flights to the moon and not a single malfunction. The exception is the 13th, where, I think, for greater credibility, they created a plot of how all America worries about its heroes, and how they courageously overcame everything and returned to earth. Theater. Has reality not taught you anything? America is the first liar
      4. Black
        Black 24 May 2014 16: 05
        +2
        Quote: iwind
        You can immediately see Astronomy at school no longer fall ...


        Teach. Like an elective course.
        As for flights to the moon by the year 30 .... maybe we will fly, maybe not ... but we need to work on it, because technology is moving forward in ambitious projects.
      5. Hudo
        Hudo 24 May 2014 19: 04
        +6
        The version that all 6 flights were "made" in the Hollywood pavilion also has very good reasons. And all 12 astronauts the Hollywoodauts were brought in such a soil that with it there are various delights of ambiguity and scandals - this "lunar" soil will turn out to be a petrified piece of wood, then a meteorite picked up in Antarctica.
      6. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 25 May 2014 12: 45
        +2
        Quote: iwind
        brought several tens of kilograms of lunar soil which was transferred to all major research institutes of the world.

        We tried to calculate how many kg. mattresses have communized from the moon. No, with data, with secret, with! But the lunar soil delivered from the moon by Soviet stations existed in reality! Not for nothing, when they presented to Amers a certain amount of grams of lunar soil - mattresses were happy as children that they had REAL samples of lunar soil.
        1. Erg
          Erg 25 May 2014 15: 36
          0
          All infa on the American "lunar" soil is in the internet. This is just a confirmation that technically literate people are already clear
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 26 May 2014 08: 16
          -1
          “The Americans transferred to the USSR 29,4 grams of lunar regolith from all Apollo expeditions, and 16 grams were given abroad from our collection of Moon 20, 24, and 30,2 samples.”
        3. Alex
          Alex 10 July 2014 22: 09
          +3
          Quote: 11111mail.ru
          Quote: iwind brought several tens of kilograms of lunar soil that was transferred to an all major research institute in the world.

          And at the same time, the USSR got the least: EMNIP, 29 ... grams!
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 25 May 2014 09: 23
      -6
      Quote: Ptaha
      I would add "First Reals, not filmed in the pavilion"

      There is no need to show off your incompetence, if you have doubts about visiting the moon - discuss with your grandmothers at the entrance.
      1. Erg
        Erg 25 May 2014 15: 38
        +1
        Sir, you yourself show her. It can be seen that the topic went from the street, and hardly seriously interested in it. Yours faithfully
    4. massad1
      massad1 25 May 2014 17: 51
      +1
      by the way, the most expensive project in Hollywood’s history is 40 billion dead American presidents (at 69 this is at least four times as much as now) laughing
  2. Status
    Status 24 May 2014 07: 52
    +4
    Quote: Ptaha
    "The first landing of astronauts on the moon is planned in 2030 ..." - I would add "The first Real ones, not filmed in the pavilion" wink



    That's right, maybe then the world will understand all the delirium of the "landing" of the Americans on the moon laughing
    1. Erg
      Erg 24 May 2014 12: 52
      +1
      The very fact of deception is obvious. But much more interest is aroused by the political movements of the USSR and the USA in the period from 1967 to 1980. Take an interest. A lot of "funny" things. It is becoming clear why we still officially recognize this circus with the American landing on the moon.
      1. Alex
        Alex 10 July 2014 22: 14
        +3
        Quote: Erg
        It becomes clear, therefore, we still officially recognize this circus with the landing of Americans on the moon

        There is one more interesting point: the first "Apollo" delivered to the moon ( lol ) and the Soviet pennant. After that, to admit that all this is an epic is somehow embarrassing.
  3. saag
    saag 24 May 2014 08: 34
    +6
    I remember the plans and the landing were previously announced by 2020, now a shift of 10 years, and then further along Khoja Nasreddin
  4. anip
    anip 24 May 2014 08: 48
    0
    Somehow ta ...
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 24 May 2014 09: 59
      -7
      All control codes for Proton were transferred by agreement with EBN to the amers with immediate notification of these in case of any changes ... Rogozin threatened not to sell them engines - Proton fell ...
      1. St.S.S.
        St.S.S. 24 May 2014 16: 05
        +1
        It would be possible I would put a dozen minuses to you !!!
      2. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 25 May 2014 13: 41
        0
        Quote: Boris55
        All control codes for Proton were transferred by agreement with EBN to the amers with immediate notification of these in case of any changes ... Rogozin threatened not to sell them engines - Proton fell ...

        What are the codes? Proton has analog control! Since Soviet times ...
  5. zavesa01
    zavesa01 24 May 2014 08: 53
    +4
    The main thing is not on paper, but as in the USSR. They said - done. God grant.
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 08: 57
      -2
      Quote: zavesa01
      The main thing is not on paper, but as in the USSR. They said - done. God grant.

      you probably didn’t live in the USSR, how much was said, but done?
      1. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich 24 May 2014 11: 29
        +17
        so much has been done that we still live on it
  6. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 24 May 2014 09: 10
    +5
    I understand that the President is pressing on them. Speaks about breakthrough technologies. And in order to get rid of him, these so-called experts carry complete science-like nonsense.
    1. In order to assess the possibilities and prospects of a long-term stay on the lunar surface, one must carefully look at the results of a long-term stay in Earth orbit at stations of the Mir and ISS type. At first, stations like Salut and Mir were mostly used for space reconnaissance and medical research (it soon became clear that being in space for more than six months was simply irreversibly harmful to humans). To ensure the economic efficiency of these stations, they talked about growing unique crystals in special blocks. Where are these crystals? Then they began to carry tourists, explaining that they pay a quarter of the cost of the launch. Then they began to simply trade in technology, sharing their invaluable experience with NASA, Japan and Europe. Now they directly say that in the current state, the ISS does not bring anything useful.
    2. How to justify the costs of a person’s long stay on the moon.
    a) no minerals brought from the Moon will ever pay for themselves. The latest news, even the extremely rare lanthanides, have learned to isolate from seawater and dissolved reserves will last for 1000 years.
    b) Helium-3. But the thermonuclear reaction has not yet been launched, and it is not known whether it can be launched on helium-3.
    c) Telescopes. But Hubble’s experience has already shown that it’s cheaper to launch automatic telescopes into Earth orbit and repair them there.
    d) the production of oxygen-hydrogen fuel. You don’t even have to take it, the fuel for the Martian flight is cheaper to launch into Earth orbit than to create production on the Moon. Moreover, a nuclear engine looms.
    3. Thus, after a dozen lunar expeditions and the satisfaction of their national vanity, they will forget about the Moon for 100 years at least.
    So. What to do? To develop technologies and carry out as soon as possible with a dozen lunar expeditions, ride the moon, explore what gets in the way and test the heavy landing module and base flight unit necessary for flying to Mars. Despite the fact that both of these missions will not bring any economic benefits, they will bring a sense of moral satisfaction to the people, which, as practice shows, is more expensive than any money.
    A little messy, but I got the stupidity of unnamed experts, unless it is an information fog to cover our real plans.
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 24 May 2014 11: 31
      -1
      real plans? and I know the real plan ... cut down as much dough as possible!
  7. clidon
    clidon 24 May 2014 09: 18
    +2
    To be honest, I hardly believe in this "lunar projection 2030". On the one hand, everything seems to be correct - some kind of goal is needed by astronautics, everyone uses it - either the Americans announce a flight to Mars, an asteroid, then China is going to establish a base on the Moon and the Indians are immediately pulled up ...
    But it seems that the times when the population with a sinking heart followed the space news and knew all the cosmonauts by sight are long gone. "Corsa PR" works ... but it does not work practically, we talked for a week or a month and 90% will not even remember what such grandiose plans were. And when there is no practical return on super-expensive projects, they slowly begin to "sequester" with the very first interruptions in money. At the same time, there are no more TV programs and loud statements. It's just that everything is postponed "for later".
  8. siberalt
    siberalt 24 May 2014 09: 25
    +5
    First of all, a "zone" should be built on the moon for the fifth column. Let them develop the mines and extract deuterium and helium-3. laughing
  9. Diviz
    Diviz 24 May 2014 09: 39
    +4
    people will already fly to Mars and will live there without a return ticket to the earth. and they are going to the moon as if they are flying to another galaxy. all this is connected with economic and political tensions between the world powers. Russia does not want to participate alone in this project for the development of the moon, it would be enough to unite with China and this would take much less time. a gas contract has been signed you look after its implementation, business in other sectors, in space exploration, things will go faster. but what will we encounter on the moon how much we have developed a system of satellites that monitor the moon. and why the Americans fled from the moon; there is no answer to this question.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 24 May 2014 11: 48
      +4
      why the Americans fled from the moon; there is no answer to this question.
      Were they there? That is the question.
      1. Erg
        Erg 24 May 2014 13: 04
        +1
        Not a single university with a space bias considers materials about the flight of Americans to the moon. Don't find this mysterious. After all, "learning from experience" is normal in the learning process. The answer is simple. It is one thing to discuss a production on a bench, and quite another to teach students specific materials (which are not available).
        1. Viator
          Viator 24 May 2014 13: 42
          +1
          Yes, for God's sake - read at least "The Distant and Near Moon" by Yu.G. Shkuratova:

          http://ru.astron.kharkov.ua/library/books/

          This is the director of the Kharkov Research Institute of Astronomy and part-time (at least when I was a student 7 years ago) teaching such a subject as "Remote sensing of planets." This is not a textbook, we did not study it, but the materials presented in the book were passed more than once (including in his classes), for example, within the framework of discussions about the polarization properties of regolith. The trajectories for flights to the Moon (in particular) pass within the framework of the Celestial Mechanics course, the results of laser ranging of the Moon using corner reflectors installed by the Apollo 11,14,15 crew and located on the lids of the Lunokhod are included in the Astrometry course.
          There are materials, no one withholds them. If something is not told to you personally, this does not mean that everyone around you wants to deceive you.
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 24 May 2014 14: 12
            -1
            Quote: Viator
            corner reflectors installed by the Apollo-11,14,15 crew

            I saw how Uncle Sasha threw a stone into the night sky and shouted: "You see! The satellite flew over there!"
            This satellite is still flying and all observers can see its corner reflectors installed by Uncle Sasha.
            1. Viator
              Viator 24 May 2014 14: 24
              +1
              As usual: in response, only skepticism and cynical jokes a la "I know more than anyone else." Well, of course - we're all in a conspiracy against you. You can't trust anyone. In general, the President of the United States paid me personally for disinformation. And to those who taught me and with whom I worked. Yes. And all the rest, top-class domestic specialists directly related to space, were simply deceived like fools, showing something incomprehensible. And if not for our brave Internet users, who in the kitchen or on the sofa in the evening with a cup of tea unraveled the insidious American plans, then no one would have known the truth ...
              Okay, I see, further discussion does not make sense: let non-flyers win further on the Internet. Comments are being written, the caravan is coming.
              1. Erg
                Erg 24 May 2014 21: 21
                -1
                I have many friends who are directly involved in the space industry. I beg you. At least analyze computer evolution. And, I’m sorry, but who do you work with?
                1. Viator
                  Viator 24 May 2014 22: 38
                  +3
                  There is no need to diminish or increase me. At the moment I do not work in my specialty (I emigrated), before that - the Research Institute of Astronomy of KhNU named after Karazin (Kharkov), studied the optical properties of atmosphereless bodies, to which the Moon belongs. The older generation of the institute took part in processing the results of the Soviet lunar program. Shkuratov and his comrades I mentioned (for example, D.G. Stankevich) studied the lunar soil, including from American materials. Actually, that's why I cited a link to him - a respected person, an expert in the field of lunar research, although not the only one ... From not so authoritative, but flashing in the news people - my classmate Sergei Gerasimenko - a good example of how at present it is possible to check the presence of descent modules on the lunar surface. He found Lunokhod-2 using images from the LRO probe (the same apparatus also photographed the Apollo landing sites). By the way, the author is personally acquainted with Harison Schmitt, a geologist from the Apollo 17 crew. If there were some fakes, people would notice. I mean, authoritative scientists in different countries, not journalists or someone's personal opinions (even Russian cosmonauts - they are mostly military pilots, not scientists or engineers). Of course, the proofs of the Americans' stay on the Moon are not limited to analysis of photographs or soil alone, but we have not an astronomical circle here. You can't write about everything, excuse me.
                  PS: I didn’t set the minus.
                  1. andj61
                    andj61 24 May 2014 23: 10
                    +5
                    I set the minus. In the eighties, he worked in a research institute near Moscow (Bolshevo), in which, among other things, they organized control of foreign spacecraft. Competent people claimed that the Americans were on the moon.
                    1. Erg
                      Erg 25 May 2014 16: 03
                      -2
                      Still would. Then they tried to say something else. The KGB is not a joke. Why did we drown the Americans with this production? Better to get money and indulgences from them. And the states had to pay dearly for this "roof"
                    2. Erg
                      Erg 25 May 2014 16: 07
                      0
                      KGB is a joke. But in the 69th there was no time for jokes. And now everyone can have their own point of view. So I think that the Americans blew themselves up, but you think not. I don’t believe what they say about the events in Ukraine. You are what you want. Pluralism, adnaka
                  2. Erg
                    Erg 25 May 2014 16: 00
                    0
                    Thanks for the answer. And the minus is not the worst thing in life. What I want to say - after all, before getting a point of view, I read and looked a lot on this topic. And I share the point of view of people who are very authoritative in astronautics. After all, a person first studies information, compares it with "personal experience", and only then makes a conclusion. And in general, I'm interested here. Yours faithfully
                  3. Alex
                    Alex 10 July 2014 22: 29
                    +3
                    Quote: Viator
                    Shkuratov I mentioned with my comrades (for example, Stankevich D.G.) studied the lunar soil, including on American materials.
                    That those 29 g of soil transferred to the USSR are real, I believe unconditionally. The question is, who delivered them - the Apollo and the automatic stations?

                    He found Lunokhod-2 using images from the LRO probe (the same apparatus also photographed the Apollo landing sites).
                    But this is interesting. This means that "Lunokhod" has been found from the images, hurray for the method and the researcher. What did he find in the photographs from the Apollo landing site? Starting table? Or nothing?

                    Not wanting to doubt your competence at all, I’ll note one point: your statements change my conviction quite sharply when the discussion moves from our realities to American (the probe took a picture of something, someone is familiar with someone, obvious fakes that cannot be overlooked) .
              2. Bayonet
                Bayonet 25 May 2014 14: 10
                -2
                Quote: Viator
                I see, further discussion does not make sense: let non-flyers win

                Of course! I read somewhere that about 30% of Russians surveyed claimed that the sun revolves around the earth. It looks like they are in the majority here.
          2. Erg
            Erg 24 May 2014 21: 17
            0
            What makes you think that the criminal reflectors were installed by Apollo? States have launched many machine guns and not always reporting the launches. I have no doubt that you can easily believe in the states' flight to Pluto. Although ... I have always appreciated optimism in people
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 25 May 2014 09: 46
              -1
              Quote: Erg
              criminal reflectors

              Criminal reflectors are in the zone, and on the Moon CORNER!
              1. Erg
                Erg 25 May 2014 16: 11
                0
                Dear, do not cling to trifles (this is a dictionary on the site that is strange, I just don’t always read that it changes words there).
              2. Alex
                Alex 10 July 2014 23: 17
                +2
                Quote: Bayonet
                Criminal reflectors are in the zone, and on the Moon CORNER!

                But in fact there is what?
          3. Erg
            Erg 25 May 2014 15: 48
            0
            A lot of words . Once again - not a single university in the USSR and Russia studies the materials of Apollo flights to the Moon. The construction of modules, the technology of manual landing, take-off, docking and manual docking in lunar orbit, etc. Because there is nothing to learn. If you want to object, please, arguments. I will be glad to be unconvinced
            1. Viator
              Viator 26 May 2014 02: 08
              0
              I wrote to you ... Once again: are photographic materials materials? Are being studied. Together with non-existent detailed maps of the moon. Based on data from modern spacecraft (LRO, Clementine) and comparison with available Soviet and American samples. And in comparison with the existing Soviet photo archives. Soil - materials? It is being studied. Only not in "universities with a space bias", but in the most ordinary ones. Space flight is, after all, the result of the interaction of many disciplines: from applied engineering to theoretical, involving the fundamental sciences. No university covers all of them. In particular, the lunar soil (and American samples too) was studied at the Institute of Geology of Ore Deposits, Petrography, Mineralogy and Geochemistry of the Russian Academy of Sciences (in 2009, someone had a doctorate on them, I don't remember now), the Institute of General and Inorganic Chemistry named after I. Kurnakova (Moscow). Somewhere else, I don't remember now.
              The detailed arrangement of modules and technical aspects of flight are already from the field of applied disciplines, for engineers or astronauts. Here someone on the forum wrote about omul - but you don’t see the information and details of catching omul on all information resources? And this does not mean that they are hiding something from you. Whoever needs it will find, just not on the first available resource or Wikipedia. But there are less people who are interested in the details of docking in space than amateur fishers. Actually, what arguments do you need? Have you tried contacting the appropriate organization, or are you waiting for everything to be posted on the forums?
    2. Erg
      Erg 24 May 2014 13: 00
      +2
      The Americans fled from the moon because they had never been there. It is not possible to maintain a scam for a long time, as more and more facts of deception came up. The best way out is to "close the lunar programs".
      1. saag
        saag 25 May 2014 10: 12
        +1
        reading you is as interesting as the magazine "Crocodile" :-)
        1. Erg
          Erg 25 May 2014 16: 12
          0
          You too. Mutually
  10. Viator
    Viator 24 May 2014 09: 52
    +3
    Every time when it comes to the Moon, "non-flyers" with RenTV education and wikipedia knowledge emerge. I remember we, then still freshmen astronomers at KhNU im. Karazin, they also bombarded our teachers with all sorts of, as it seemed to us then, tricky questions: "Why are there no stars? And why does it sway? And why is Stanley Kubrick's wife? .." and so on. The teachers, among whom there was not a single one who was not an employee of the local Research Institute of Astronomy, only grinned. They say, study better, you will soon understand yourself, but in general half of your questions are at the level of a school physics course. Poorly learned ...
    Guys - there were Americans on the moon, they were, like it or not. And all I can say is to argue and answer hundreds of "but how do you like such a fact from vsevruttolkonemy.ru" I don't have enough strength.
    1. turanchox
      turanchox 24 May 2014 10: 40
      0
      totally agree
    2. Alex
      Alex 10 July 2014 23: 21
      +2
      Quote: Viator
      "non-flyers" with RenTV education and wikipedia knowledge.

      And this is rudeness and disrespect for the opponent. As a rule, such fortels are thrown out by those who lack arguments.
  11. kyznets
    kyznets 24 May 2014 09: 52
    +3
    In principle, the base on the moon is primarily a military factor. And the factor of economic and scientific leadership. If not us, then China or the Anglo-Saxons. And what to do there, how to recapture the invested money - I think they already know.
    Although for me, so unlimited high-speed Internet in Kamchatka and everywhere in Russia, cheaper ways of delivering people to the mainland from remote regions of Russia (again about Kamchatka) are roads, not directions, at least in cities and most importantly - the rise and development of industrial production and science is a higher priority goal until 2030 at least. :)
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 24 May 2014 10: 19
      0
      Once the Moon is recognized by the international treaties as a demilitarized zone.
      1. Erg
        Erg 24 May 2014 13: 13
        -1
        In general, it is ridiculous to admit that to which we can reach only in dreams. Throw in an interesting fact. The most detailed pictures of the Moon you will find among the amateur, taken from Earth by astronomy enthusiasts. Not suggestive? Images from the orbit of our satellite, taken by the stations, to put it mildly "fig". And everywhere retouching areas ...
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 25 May 2014 18: 29
          -1
          Quote: Erg
          The most detailed pictures of the moon you will find among amateur,

          This LRO image shows the Apollo-12 landing site. The lunar module landing stage, ALSEP * experimental set, and Surveyor 3 are clearly visible in the new images. In the photo, the tracks left by the astronauts are marked with unmarked arrows. This image covers an area of ​​824 meters wide. The upper part of the photo is the direction to the north.
          To argue with you is not to respect yourself, only aggressive ignorance. The source of your knowledge is the yellow press and REN TV.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 25 May 2014 18: 32
            -1
            There are many pictures, it’s just useless to show you.
          2. Alex
            Alex 10 July 2014 23: 23
            +2
            Quote: Bayonet
            clearly visible in new pictures.

            Perhaps on new ones. Only spots are visible on these. True, you are a specialist and you know better ...
  12. demoniac1666
    demoniac1666 24 May 2014 10: 10
    +2
    While the "Protons" are falling, It is too early to talk about this, first you need to put things in order in the space industry! SHOOT all the guilty !!!!!!!!
    1. Erg
      Erg 25 May 2014 16: 18
      -1
      I agree with you. We need to reach out to the Americans as of 1969. They all Apollo without hesitation took off from the ground, and then also from the Moon ... This is the level. It is not clear, however, why they fly on our engines now, because almost 50 years ago they had (or still did not) have a mighty "Saturn"
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 26 May 2014 08: 26
        0
        Quote: Erg
        It’s not clear, however, why they fly on our engines

        In 1996, the Russian scientific and production association Energomash with the RD-180 project won a competition for the creation and supply of engines for Atlas American launch vehicles. Shortly after the tender, Energomash and General Dynamics signed an agreement, according to which the Russian side should supply 2018 RD-101 engines worth about $ 180 million each by 10. To date, most of the contract has been completed: the American space industry has received 70 engines. 50 accident-free launches out of 50 performed will be convincing statistics. It confirms the highest reliability and reliability of our rocket engine. By the way, he also has the best specific energy characteristics in the world among oxygen-kerosene rocket engines.
  13. kyznets
    kyznets 24 May 2014 10: 28
    +2
    And then demoted to rank and file and serve in the New Earth !!!!
  14. yurik
    yurik 24 May 2014 10: 42
    +8
    only now, with the development of technology, we are approaching the possibility of a man landing on the moon, and the fact that for half a century the Americans have been giving out their unmanned lunar program as a manned one is only thanks to the budget Hollywood blockbuster with which they continue to fool people
    1. Erg
      Erg 24 May 2014 13: 20
      0
      "Cleaned up" your minus. Anyone who knows something about technology will never accept the American landing on the moon. Moreover, in 1969. It is difficult even to comment on this absurdity. Respect to you
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 26 May 2014 08: 35
        +2
        “Only absolutely ignorant people can seriously believe that the Americans have not been on the moon. And, unfortunately, this whole ridiculous epic about frames allegedly fabricated in Hollywood began with the Americans themselves. By the way, the first person who began to spread these rumors, he was imprisoned for libel, "Alexei Leonov noted in this regard.
    2. Sibiryak1303
      Sibiryak1303 24 May 2014 17: 39
      +3
      Everyone was and we are all sitting belay
  15. 3vs
    3vs 24 May 2014 10: 53
    -4
    Do not touch our companion!
    Millions of years everything spins and works like a clock.
    You can fly and see how it is there,
    but not any industrial developments.
    The earth has already been rummaged in order ... they were missing the moon.
    Stupid humanity is creeping everywhere with its handles.
    dig deeper.
    You can inadvertently shift something in the balance of the Earth and the Moon,
    we cannot even imagine the consequences.
    1. Erg
      Erg 24 May 2014 13: 25
      +2
      Do not worry about the balance. There is a mind that has established it. And he will not allow ants to restore order in the forest.
      1. Dezinto
        Dezinto 24 May 2014 18: 31
        0
        That's it. The balance will always be respected. The fact that the land was littered is certainly not a good thing.

        But the fact that we need to fly everywhere we can. To study. Fossils receive. This is our goal as humanity. Open horizons, comprehend the unknown.

        ..... And do not divide the land, kill each other and torment Ukraine. We’re not looking there. But .... the power of capital has enveloped the whole planet. And with such values ​​you will not fly far.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 25 May 2014 13: 01
      0
      Quote: 3vs
      Do not touch our companion!

      Especially with your hands! T.S. Shaov has good lines in the song "39,1":
      "We fly to the moon from a cannon, we will land a spaceship on Mars ...
      It's not enough for us the old Earth, we will shit in space! "
  16. lotar
    lotar 24 May 2014 11: 21
    +2
    Some are rather skeptical about this information. But as they say, if you want to achieve something seemingly impossible, then first of all you need to change yourself with your worldview, and only then this most impossible will become possible. Here some "experts" say, that all the resources that will be required to create the lunar infrastructure will be practically useless. But note that already now some not unknown billionaires and scientists are quite actively involved in the development of this topic. And nobody will blame them for being shortsighted and stupid. For me, so the technologies obtained as a result of the development of the moon will really help our civilization to begin to establish other more distant outposts. And if now some people think that all this is useless, then I think differently. Many of the current achievements of science and technology were created not by those who consider themselves perfect and smart, but quite the opposite.
  17. sergeybulkin
    sergeybulkin 24 May 2014 11: 53
    -11%
    Fuck all this astronautics, and the moon and Mars, there is nothing to do there, it would be necessary first of all to resolve earthly problems. It's time to tie a long time to throw money into an unnecessary space!
    1. sv68
      sv68 24 May 2014 12: 19
      +3
      sergeiybulkin, they’ll return to the Stone Age even better — to clone mammoths and saber-toothed tigers, get into the skins to take a stone ax or a club.
      1. sergeybulkin
        sergeybulkin 24 May 2014 12: 47
        +2
        We don’t see anything in space technology with us, as we continue to burn the stove with wood, 90% of rural houses in Russia do not have basic amenities, this is not somewhere in the remote taiga, but not far from Moscow. Drive away 300km from the center and you will naturally stone age! No gas, no water, no roads! At least spend space, space, gas in every house, and then at least into another galaxy ...
        1. Komik
          Komik 24 May 2014 20: 46
          +1
          I agree. Saw.
    2. Camouflet
      Camouflet 24 May 2014 15: 49
      +3
      Fuck all this astronautics, and the moon and Mars, there is nothing to do there, it would be necessary first of all to resolve earthly problems. It's time to tie a long time to throw money into an unnecessary space!
      Indeed, how many attendants were thrown on the flight of Gagarin, the first satellite, Salutes / Worlds, AMC to Venus, Mars. It is good that in Russia they did not begin to build cyclopolyders but monstrotectoscopes. And the hunchbacked Soviet shuttle did the right thing, that he lowered it into the sewers. Who needed it? All these cosmos / sciences - just cut the dough and nothing more.
      It would be better to build good roads in Muhoski, more stadiums, as in Sochi. To grub was in bulk and generally work less.
      ==========
      Sadly, there are quite a few people who really think in this way. Neither mind nor imagination.
      1. Erg
        Erg 24 May 2014 21: 34
        0
        And even more women so that they never refuse you, and not to work, but to live beautifully. So remember, it’s a miracle that precisely because we have Gagarin, Sailors, Gastello and other heroes, our country can never be defeated. Man is strong, primarily in spirit. Yes, in other matters, that to conduct educational program with you. The same as throwing beads in front of pigs ...
    3. Dezinto
      Dezinto 24 May 2014 18: 34
      +2
      Of course! Of course not! Do not come out...

      Do not leave the room, do not make a mistake.
      Why do you need the sun, if you smoke Shipka?
      Everything is meaningless behind the door, especially the exclamation of happiness.
      Only in the restroom - and immediately return.

      Oh, do not leave the room, do not call the engine.
      Because the space is made from the corridor and ends with a counter.
      And if a living sweetheart enters, open her mouth, expel without undressing.

      Do not leave the room; Consider that you blew.
      What is more interesting in the world walls and chairs?
      Why go out where you return the same evening
      how were you, especially crippled?
      1. Des10
        Des10 25 May 2014 18: 31
        0
        smoking Shipki is not remembered by many! )
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  18. Barakuda
    Barakuda 24 May 2014 12: 14
    +1
    To understand for a start with Yakutia, the Far East. The Arctic .. There are enough places, the same natural resources. What shall we do on the moon? On the Yenisei, 50-100 hectares for land development per person. they take them away ... Live-work, get a sable ... catch omul. It’s not to sit at a computer, but without an ax, rifle and rifle, there’s nothing to do there
    But let them think ...
    1. Erg
      Erg 24 May 2014 21: 42
      0
      Did you catch omul? Maybe nelmu, muksun, grayling? Where is this from Yenisei? I've been all my life on the Yenisei. First deal with the Dnieper, and then all the masters overlap the water
  19. homosum20
    homosum20 24 May 2014 12: 24
    +1
    Combat missiles mounted on the moon make modern missile defense systems and ajis completely pointless due to the too high flight speeds of shock missiles. All grandmas invested by Americans and NATO in these programs for decades will go down the drain.
    This alone is enough to justify the costs.
    1. saag
      saag 24 May 2014 21: 22
      +2
      And why is it so close that it is possible to get war missiles on Mars too ?:-) It's impossible to read more rubbish on a military site :-)
  20. Klim2011
    Klim2011 24 May 2014 12: 29
    +3
    Better to invest in lunar programs than in E-mobiles and Chelsea. But that's another story...
  21. Barakuda
    Barakuda 24 May 2014 12: 30
    +2
    Quote: homosum20
    All grandmas invested by Americans and NATO in these programs for decades will go down the drain

    They already go, fly long in the wind, And ordinary Americans don’t want to see anything like that. Popcorn and a TV show are more important to them .. Although they are not to blame, they were created like that.
    1. Erg
      Erg 24 May 2014 13: 31
      -3
      About Americans completely with you. In general, this topic with the "development" of the moon looks very funny. We take off from Earth every other time ... I beg you
  22. sabakina
    sabakina 24 May 2014 12: 45
    +4
    I personally believe that the Moon is an artificial satellite of the Earth, which exists contrary to all the laws of physics. So they will not let us go there. The fact that the moon is already inhabited is a lot.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 24 May 2014 12: 54
      +1
      You may not believe it. The Moon is the Gadget of the human race, and still flies around, the offspring protect. Besides her, there really were still ...
    2. Erg
      Erg 25 May 2014 16: 35
      -2
      Right. That is why you will not find detailed images of the lunar surface from its satellites. On Ukpain, armored personnel carriers can be seen from space, but on the moon, well, nothing can be seen. And "Hubble" choy can't make normal pictures in any way. There is a French amateur astronomer, so he makes better images of the Moon from home than from satellites. We are not supposed to see something, to see ...
  23. Penzyac
    Penzyac 24 May 2014 13: 21
    +1
    All this is interesting, but the timing is somewhat depressing.
  24. CTEPX
    CTEPX 24 May 2014 14: 02
    +1
    Quote: iwind
    brought several tens of kilograms of lunar soil which was transferred to all major research institutes of the world.

    They said hundreds of kilograms! - and transferred for analysis some milligrams, only after receiving (in grams) of the lunar soil from automatic stations)).
    Americans on the moon - were not!))
    1. Erg
      Erg 25 May 2014 16: 39
      -2
      As soon as we accept this point of view - everything immediately falls into place
  25. Skif
    Skif 24 May 2014 14: 05
    +3
    You can argue until you turn blue - whether the Yankees were on the Moon or not, they deceived everyone and everything or not, whether the lunar program is needed or whether this money should be invested in gas pipelines in every house ... But what the future of mankind is in space exploration, and the Moon is only the first step in the development of the entire solar system, even after many years, I am sure. In the end, the nation needs a GOAL, then the development of high technologies on Earth on the basis of space will go, and ordinary people will finally stop thinking with the current bargain patterns (buy-sell, loot, I’ll hide my hut, etc.)
    1. Erg
      Erg 24 May 2014 21: 49
      0
      For a long time already (about 100 years) there are new technologies. And here is why they are not given a move ... The price of oil, gas, adnaka ...
  26. rotor
    rotor 24 May 2014 14: 12
    +2
    2016 - Luna-25 (Luna-Globe descent module): a small vehicle will be launched onto the satellite’s surface. His task will be to study the regolith and exosphere of the moon. The module will be located at the south pole of the satellite.

    2018 - Luna-26 (Luna-Orbiter orbital station): the orbital vehicle will be placed in the 100 km polar circular orbit of the Moon. The task is to create a global map of the lunar surface, measure the exosphere and plasma around the moon and conduct reconnaissance of landing sites for the exploration of the moon.

    2019 - Luna-27 (Luna-Resource-1 lander): A large lander that will examine the regolith and exosphere of the Moon, and will also test a new drilling system designed to collect samples of lunar soil for subsequent storage in a cryogenic chamber.

    2021 - Luna-28 (Luna-Resource-2): The return of lunar samples to Earth and the development of a system for returning spacecraft to Earth.

    2023 - Luna-29 (Luna-Resource-3): Dispatch of a large Lunokhod.

    The last two missions will be launched if the successful completion of the Luna-27 mission.
    1. Erg
      Erg 24 May 2014 21: 53
      -3
      Yes, for a long time already there are detailed pictures, and analyzes of spectrograms, and so on ... Therefore, we do not even think to fly "there" ... And these "prospects" are for the uneducated, who, accordingly, are not interested in anything, citizens
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  28. rotor
    rotor 24 May 2014 14: 41
    +1
    If a person is going to go beyond the Earth (and this is unlikely to be avoided if we want to survive), then it is time to stop carefully feeling the cold sea of ​​outer space with his bare foot. We need a constant presence, without which it is simply not possible to understand how we can survive there.



    1. rotor
      rotor 24 May 2014 15: 14
      0
      The moon is, in fact, the seventh continent of the Earth, accidentally blown into space by one giant collision. And this continent is waiting for its development.
      1. Erg
        Erg 24 May 2014 21: 56
        0
        And what did you read on this topic? I'm also very interested
    2. Erg
      Erg 24 May 2014 21: 55
      -3
      I'll show it on my fingers. We are still heating with wood. And we fly on kerosene with an oxidizer ... What do you want to "feel" with?
  29. saag
    saag 24 May 2014 14: 48
    +1
    and on May 25 the earth will fly on the celestial axis, then :-)
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  31. ammunition
    ammunition 24 May 2014 17: 50
    +2
    From the article -
    "" 80 tons - a rocket of at least this carrying capacity will be required for flights to the moon ""
    Now there is none. Need to do. And no one.
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    In the picture is the Vulcan rocket (energy). November 1988, XNUMX Completely ready and reliable. "Carrying capacity" 200 tons (two hundred tons)
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    Well .. We don’t have these missiles, because we survived the catastrophic looting and destruction of the country in 90. The robbery is still ongoing. Destroyed schools and universities. To stamp de * bi * lo * in and lawyers.
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    But why not in America? Because it was not there.
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 24 May 2014 18: 40
      +2
      Yes. Now we are all wrappers for candy wrappers. And do not raise your nose to the stars. It’s necessary to eat. Just because of the mind and dreams do not feed. Thugs and hounds. Someone has a great planet and its potential, PEOPLE!
    2. rotor
      rotor 24 May 2014 20: 18
      0
      We need another missile - reusable, we’ll go broke with this one.
    3. Erg
      Erg 25 May 2014 16: 49
      -2
      I agree with you. But my opinion is that it's enough to fly on "wood". This is a dead-end direction. Antigravity and energy from the ether. This is our path. But, unfortunately, Tesla was "strangled" almost 100 years ago. The team finished him badly. But he created technologies ahead of our time. Then Einstein was sent in, with his "theory", which, in fact, threw us back. And everyone, guys, to trade in oil. Whoever has money has power.
      1. Alex
        Alex 11 July 2014 01: 15
        +3
        Quote: Erg
        Antigravity and energy from the ether. This is our path. But, unfortunately, Tesla was "strangled" almost 100 years ago. The team finished him badly. But he created technologies ahead of our time.

        Sorry, but this is pure nonsense.
  32. Andrew 58
    Andrew 58 24 May 2014 18: 35
    0
    We will drive fishing)))
  33. uzer 13
    uzer 13 24 May 2014 19: 30
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    Flights to the Moon for the sake of achievements do not make sense. Minerals are also not a task in the near future, it is cheaper to get them on Earth. The base on the Moon can be considered primarily as an object integrated into the missile defense system, then it makes sense to invest considerable funds in this project .A scientific research can be done in parallel with the main work. Since the first flights into space, something has changed, missile weapons have been thoroughly improved, as a result of which it is necessary to create complex and expensive defense systems. It is possible that the missile defense base on the moon will not be the most expensive project, money for these events will still have to be sought.
    1. clidon
      clidon 24 May 2014 20: 03
      +1
      Base missile defense, excuse me, who will protect from whom?
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 25 May 2014 12: 33
        +2
        Quote: clidon
        Base missile defense, excuse me, who will protect from whom?

        Clear day, from Darth Vader !!!
  34. Mestny
    Mestny 24 May 2014 19: 38
    +2
    Quote: Skiff
    But the fact that the future of mankind is behind space exploration, and the Moon is only the first step in the development of the entire Solar system, even after many years, I am sure. In the end, the nation needs a GOAL,

    Without a real, fundamental breakthrough in science and, accordingly, in technology, no planetary exploration is profitable, even the moon.
    With existing technologies, hopes for space exploration are like trying to improve a steam engine aircraft.
    1. Erg
      Erg 25 May 2014 16: 54
      0
      Respect. I am glad that I am not alone
  35. Komik
    Komik 24 May 2014 20: 39
    +2
    I would like to believe, but the reality of the Russian Federation is that even a GLONASS satellite into orbit will launch a problem.
  36. dzau
    dzau 24 May 2014 21: 34
    0
    Quote: clidon
    Base missile defense, excuse me, who will protect from whom?

    So evil Iran! The threat of democracy to the whole moon.
  37. shultz21070
    shultz21070 24 May 2014 22: 07
    0
    to live ...
  38. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 25 May 2014 12: 14
    +2
    If one-time rackets will fly to the moon, then the matter may be bent without starting.
  39. air wolf
    air wolf 25 May 2014 13: 30
    -1
    And why all this, the poor in Russia since the days of the USSR is only added sad
  40. Diviz
    Diviz 25 May 2014 16: 30
    -1
    The main thing is to understand why they turned off the Apollo program. They shot the movie Apollo 13 to justify it. We would fly 1 time in 5 years, for example, but they completely closed everything and kept it secret. The main thing is not that they were on the moon or were not, whether they flew around it or not, the question is that we don’t really know anything about the moon. Nobody drills it, it doesn’t explode, it doesn’t drip, only the pictures pulled into it once and that’s all. Where is her data? Where is the detailed analysis of what the moon is?
    У
  41. CB activist
    CB activist 25 May 2014 23: 44
    0
    The article is impersonal. It is unclear who "plans" all this. I would like to take a look at these people. If these are the same ones who are responsible for the loss of the "PROTONS", then there are signs of criminal neglect of their direct responsibilities: they dream of the Moon and are not able to carry out the routine delivery of cargo into near-earth orbits. They imagine themselves to be the Tsiolkovsky and Korolevs, but you just have to plow in assembly shops, laboratories and at launch sites, and finally return the reliability of the technology that was created back in the USSR. Marshal Nedelin died at the launching position, this, apparently, does not threaten the current high-status dreamers, they do not come so close to the rocket.

    The third decade of this century promises to be formidable, a new Cold War is absolutely inevitable, understand this, dreamers. Putin now only pushes back its beginning, but he will not succeed in pushing back endlessly, everything will begin already in the current decade. The new Cold War will be both the World War and the fate of Russia and the fate of the whole World will be decided in it. The cold war will constantly balance on the verge of transition to hot. Here the scheme is this: the Anglo-Saxons are extremely cruel, incredibly patient and stubborn, very prudent and very careful, they do not dare to transfer the war from cold to hot until, according to the results of a thorough analysis of all the chances, they are confident of their complete impunity. Therefore, the threat of retaliation must be maintained all the time above a certain level, depriving the enemy of confidence in total impunity. This is the deterrence formula.

    Proceeding from this, the priority, and incredible in its complexity, task until 2030. there will be the creation of a Unified Aerospace Defense System of the country (practically all Russia's efforts in space will be directed towards this). Who will dominate the near-earth space, he will dominate the Earth. In addition, the task of ensuring the parity of forces in the world's oceans is extremely time consuming; it will have to be solved with the unconditional priority of the first task (aerospace defense). The construction of 10 aircraft carriers, so that it would be "like the United States," is the same manilovism, like the conquest of the Moon and Mars. I understand that every admiral dreams of walking on an aircraft carrier, there are a lot of escort little things around him, including a cruiser, aviation is "buzzing" from above, and he commands all of this. But Russia does not have the strength to do this, and the United States also does not, to create something like that, the United States is robbing more than half of the world. We will have to look for other ways to achieve parity with the Anglo-Saxons at sea.

    The ground forces will also require deep re-equipment. The main thing here is to understand that the land battle will still be close, contact, but it will be conducted by the crew, protected by the armor of a heavy combat vehicle. The ground generals will also have to understand that Russia cannot provide them with half a million "manpower". After all, living force is young people of reproductive age, and it can no longer be thrown into battle in foot combat formations.

    All of the above will be ensured by the people of Russia, who have barely come to their senses from the liberal-market experiment that was carried out on him. All of the above is possible only on the basis of a civilian economy restored after a market orgy. It must be remembered that the current Russian Federation exists on the technological base of the USSR, and this base is close to exhaustion. The Cold War will also require full food independence. Conclusion - this is not the time to disturb moon dust now, not now, even if it is still pristine.
  42. CB activist
    CB activist 25 May 2014 23: 55
    0
    The problem of conquering the Cosmos has a deep philosophical aspect. To embark on a voyage across the oceans to discover new lands and seize resources, the individual efforts of each individual people, a separate corporation or even a group of adventurers are enough, there is a barrier, but it is not high. But Cosmos will not allow humanity into itself, divided by conflicts, tormented by capitalist exploitation, thirst for profit and injustice. Space puts up barriers (both scientific and technical, and others) that only a single Humanity can take. And it can become one only by overcoming evil (in the fundamental religious and philosophical sense of the word).
    1. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 26 May 2014 15: 30
      +2
      I would not generalize the "problem of conquering the Cosmos" too much.
      In my opinion this is just a transport problem.
      Or more elaborate - transport and technological problem.
      Anyway, what's the problem?

      Protection from asteroids - this is actually the first problem. This, of course, is the problem of all mankind, but I suspect that Russia will have to solve it separately. And it’s strange that we don’t understand this. Another question is whether the United States and Europe will unite in this. The point is not only stinginess, but also that when it smells fried, they can forget about universal values, and act in such a way that the country administering the protection system would be less harmful, and less costly, or more profitable (they will bill a trillion) - does not matter. We will not speculate maliciously that, perhaps, in relation to some countries, they will decide that the worse - the better - in the minds of some leaders there will probably be such thoughts.

      The second problem is to fly and visit in person or with robots everywhere in the planetary system. All this will and should, of course, be accompanied by public acts such as arranging flags on the planets, taking pictures with soap dishes, greeting phrases. This is for financing. But the main background and task of all this fuss is the search for extraterrestrial intelligence or life, or its or its traces. For example, the remains of a starship somewhere where there is no erosion and corrosion. Any artifacts. This also includes astronomical observations by space telescopes. All this is necessary not only for interest, but also for security too. If an extraterrestrial mind exists, then it is probably overwhelmingly more age-related, and, presumably, more developed. We don’t need to suddenly find ourselves a colony of some Alpha Centauri, a supplier of fossils and animal animals for zoos.

      And both of these problems rest in the difficulty of putting goods into orbit. That is, the transport problem is the main difficulty. Everyone puzzles how to solve it, but so far no solution is visible. I think reusable systems are still needed. Type Spiral, MAX, Shuttle, Reusable Energy (if it could be done). And here again we played with disposable rackets. Sorry.
  43. All terrain vehicle
    All terrain vehicle 26 May 2014 03: 30
    0
    They’ll just fly around, check to the whole world if there were any Americans ...
  44. BM-13
    BM-13 17 July 2014 19: 33
    +3
    Once Zadornov noticed that the Americans are big children. And children need to always be in the spotlight. And how, it doesn’t matter. Some become excellent students, others become hooligans, others are constantly acting up, and some, like Americans, are constantly inventing all sorts of fables. It’s safer and the result is obtained.