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The truth about the deficit in the USSR

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Excellent article by blogger Andrei Michurin, breaking many of the liberal myths about the Soviet deficit. Especially recommended for the younger generation, which the Soviet Union did not find.


The truth about the deficit in the USSR


“The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is a country that the whole world looked to with hope. A country in which the people defeated their capitalist exploiters and sighed deeply, marching from socialism to communism and carrying the red banner of democracy to other, still capitalist-slave countries.



What do we hear everywhere?

In the Soviet Union there was nothing: neither the products in the store, nor the clothes, nor you furniture with electronics; everyone lived half starving, walked in rags for 20 years, and at the same time they smiled and had fun, and everything came from the fact that the people were naive and gullible, and believed in the imminent arrival of a brighter future.

So many liberals are now talking on TV and other media, and this is the basic idea imposed on the Internet by the younger generation. Yes, and another "bloody Stalin" and "damned GeBnya" (KGB). Everything is bad, everything is terrible ...

But is it? Is it really a huge country, with gigantic deposits of resources and a vast territory (still 1 / 6 part of the land), consisting of unusually different, but fastened together history peoples, could live hungry and cold, almost worse than all countries in the world?

Even if one eye to read the question and think half of the head, the answer is one: NO! COULD NOT.

Then how did it arise, so exciting for everyone today, the deficit? We will try to find the answer to this question. I want to say at once that in this article I will analyze the shortage of food only, otherwise its size will exceed all possible expectations.

USSR 6 to 1.



When today, our esteemed liberal historians, consider the issue of the deficit of the times of the USSR, they mix all the 70 years of Soviet power in one undisputed pile. Such a small manipulation of consciousness. All this is being done in order to demonize communism, the planned-mobilization economy and everything that it carried with it, while capitalism is partially justified — it is supposedly bad in many ways, but communism is even worse. This approach is fundamentally wrong, and in my opinion, and immoral, as people, in this case, are mistaken for idiots.

We, in order to reveal the essence of the economic problems of the USSR, need to understand what the great and mighty Soviet Union was. The thing is, and this is exactly what is being silenced today, that in different years there were fundamentally different Soviet Unions. For clarity, it is enough to compare the USSR of Stalin and the USSR of Gorbachev; here you don’t even need to add anything. But if the Soviet Unions are different, then the economy (with all its problems) is also different in them, which means that the deficiencies in them are different. Therefore, we will move from the smallest to the largest, starting with the post-war Stalin rule.

Post-war years.



The terrible war for the whole of Russia is coming to an end. The war, which according to the estimates of analysts was carried away, only killed, 26,6 million Soviet citizens; a huge part of the country lies in ruins; people endured the things that no people had ever experienced.

Meanwhile...

The United States and Britain, having failed to finish the war, by 1 in July 1945 are planning to attack Russia themselves (see Operation Unthinkable), reorganizing the captured Germans under their command and forcing the USSR to redeploy their troops from the west to the Yalta conference east to attack unwilling to surrender to Japan.


I will also give a list of other military plans of attack, the so-called "allies", on the USSR. Attention for years.


Plans for a US nuclear attack on the USSR:

1) Totality - December 1945

2) Chariotir - May 1948

3) Fleetwood - September 1948

4) Operational Plan "SAH EVP 1-49" - April 1949

5) Trojel - January 1949

6) Dropshot - December 1949.

What does this mean? This suggests that the USSR could not weaken its military-industrial complex, to mobilize power in other sectors and restore the destroyed country. At that time, the United States had a nuclear weaponwhich they have already successfully tested on civilians in Japan, in the USSR the atomic bomb was created and tested only by August 1949 ...

It was in such conditions that the post-war period began. The country had to re-reach the pre-war level. The task of the fourth five-year plan was put by Stalin: “to restore the affected areas of the country, to restore the pre-war level of industry and agriculture and then to exceed this level in more or less significant dimensions”.

There is a shortage of certain goods in the country, but, most importantly, the shortage of basic foodstuffs has been eliminated. By December, 1947 will cancel the card supply system (in England, for example, the card system was canceled only in 1954). Starting in 1947, prices in the country are falling annually. The country is regaining its pre-war achievements.



Thaw.



Gm Malenkov. 1902 - 1988.
Board: March 1953 — September 1953


5 March 1953, dies I.V. Stalin. At the head of the state rises GMMalenkov. He pursues a peasant policy: he permits the increase of household plots 5 times, and reduces the land tax by half. This gave good results: the village began to give 1,5 times more products. “Malenkov came, ate blinks,” said the peasants. It should be noted that by the 53 year, more than half of the country's population live in villages.



In November 1953, Malenkov delivers a speech in which he condemns bribery and the moral and social decay of the workers of the party apparatus. On this occasion, Khrushchev stated: “all this is of course true, George Maximilianovich. But the device is our support. " I think everyone understands the meaning of his words.

Already in September of the same year, Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev rises at the head of the state, and everything begins with this ...

The great "corncob".



L. M. Kaganovich recalled: “I (Khrushchev - p. Ed.) Nominated him (for the post of CIM secretary - p. Ed.). I thought he was capable. But he was a Trotskyist. And I reported to Stalin that he was a Trotskyite. I spoke when choosing him in MK. Stalin asked: “And now how?” I say: “He is fighting the Trotskyists. Actively speaking. Sincerely fights. " Stalin then: "You speak at the conference on behalf of the Central Committee, that the Central Committee trusts him".

Corn times are significant because a mine is being laid at this time, which explodes in 1991. It is with the Khrushchev Thaw that the image of a fair and brotherly life in the abundant community begins to be replaced by unfounded consumption criteria.

The speech uttered by Khrushchev at the XX Congress about the "Stalin personality cult" deals a powerful blow to the foundation of the Soviet state. The purpose of the speech was to assure that Stalin’s power policy with regard to embezzlers would no longer be carried out, that all this was firmly buried in the past.

“Already by 1953, the Bolsheviks-communists gradually began to lose power in the USSR, and in the highest authorities of the USSR and the highest elite of the USSR, the layer of not just skinmen, but hidden anti-Soviets and anti-communists, gradually began to increase.“ S.

Encouraged by the new opportunities at the post of 1 Secretary of the Central Committee, Khrushchev proposes the idea of ​​“developing the virgin soil”:



Molotov V.M. 1977. “The virgin lands began to be mastered prematurely. Of course, it was absurd. In this size - an adventure. From the very beginning, I was a supporter of the development of virgin lands on a limited scale, and not in such enormous ones, which forced us to invest huge amounts of money, to incur enormous expenses instead of raising what was ready in the inhabited areas. But otherwise it is impossible. Here you have a million rubles, no more, so give them to the virgin lands or already to the inhabited areas, where there are opportunities? I offered to invest this money in our Non-Black Earth, and to lift virgin soil gradually. They scattered the means - and with this a little bit, and with that, but there is no place to keep the bread, it rots, there are no roads, it is impossible to take it out. And Khrushchev found the idea and rushes like a savras without a bridle! This idea solves nothing definitely, it can help, but to a limited extent. Be able to calculate, count, ask what people will say. No - come on, come on! He began to swing, almost forty or forty five million hectares of virgin otgryz, but it is impossible, ridiculous and not necessary, and if it were fifteen or seventeen, probably would have come more good. More sense. "

And since 1954, the “corn dirk” (as Khrushchev called himself jokingly) is beginning to introduce corn into agriculture everywhere. Corn mania fell into his head because of the success of growing this crop in the United States, where for years they accumulated knowledge of its cultivation.



In newspapers, posters and other media start talking about corn. In the year 1956, even, the magazine “Corn”, completely devoted to this plant, is being published. Khrushchev tried his best to impose on the people the opinion that corn was something that our country lacked.

As a result, after sowing large portions of nonchernozem land (where grain was previously grown) with corn, it began to give poor yields, bread and flour began to rise in price (and disappear from sale). And it was necessary to happen that the corn epic intersected with the venture of virgin soil. By 1963, the development of the virgin lands was failed (the mastered soils were depleted, dust storms arose), the country did not receive the grain, the bread was lost from the sale.

For the first time in its history, the USSR was forced to buy grain abroad. Starting from 1963, the Soviet Union will constantly increase grain imports.



This is just what concerns the grain. In 1957, Khrushchev put forward the slogan: “in three or four years to catch up with the United States in the production of meat, milk and butter per capita.” Justifying it by the fact that: “If we catch up with the United States, then we will release the strongest torpedo under capitalist foundations” (for example, I don’t understand how - ed.).

With this slogan, he disfigured the whole point of a planned economy. Production is not due to the growing needs of the population, there is the greatest madness and blasphemy in relation to the planned-mobilization economy, and in fact is the germ of a market economy, where the release of goods is not tied to the needs.

“In every system there is a leading indicator to which system to strive. In a market economy, this is profit maximization; in a planned economy, the fulfillment of a planned target. And now the fulfillment of the planned task turned into a fetish - at any cost. "

A.I. Belchuk -dok. economical sciences.

It was a kind of catch-up game in which we are always catching up. We had to pursue the chase, sort of, in basic foodstuffs, for which we were lagging behind the US (see picture).



But if you take meat, in our country it was always eaten little. We did not have a "cult of meat" (as it is now), we began to sit down for meat much later.



Russia is a Orthodox country and 70% of the population (and if we take into account the remaining fasting denominations, then all 80%) observed the following posts:

Great post (7 weeks)
Petrov Post (4 weeks)
Assumption Post (2 week)
Christmas Post (6 weeks)
and every Wednesday and Friday - fasting days.



It turns out, almost half a year believers if not meat at all.

Further, “in order for the peasants to work better on the collective farm,” Khrushchev began to reduce, and in some places even select, personal plots in the villages. On what remained of the land, he prohibitively increased taxes, also introduced taxes on bushes and trees, because of which the villagers began to massively cut down everything that grows. When Brezhnev came to power, the peasant situation would soften to a large extent.

In accordance with his slogan, by 1959, Khrushchev is increasing his meat delivery plan.

“They grabbed and drove into the slaughterhouse everything that could move on four legs: pregnant cows (pregnant, pp. Ed.) And pregnant pigs (sows, pp. Ed.), Calves and piglets, which would still grow and grow. The collective farmers were buying up on voluntary-compulsory principles so memorable to the people that they had bones, regardless of what was on the bones. ”

Anatoly Strelny - writer.



The peasants, in order not to sell their cattle, began to slaughter it en masse, which significantly reduced the livestock and poultry population.

To increase milk production, it was decided to buy dairy cattle from the population.

"The people were indignant and wept that the cows were taken away, and they did not give milk, although they promised, they take everything out to the plan."

Anatoly Strelyany - writer

“Stubbornly seeking ways to shame America, Nikita Khrushchev ordered to buy all their horned living creatures from the collective farmers without any hesitation. But with the onset of cold weather, it turned out that the collective and state farms were not ready for the placement and maintenance of the purchased cows, and they had to be partially slaughtered. Since then, there have been no cows or calves in the village. ”

Yevgeny Nosov - writer.

Due to the fact that the calves were not allowed to grow, by the 60-th years the number of herds began to decrease, the production of meat began to fall. In the wake of the meat began to fall in the amount of milk. In the shops for meat and milk began to line up the queue. Please note that before 60-s there were no huge queues or a massive shortage of goods on the shelves. I will cite as an example a photograph of my grandmother, 1958-59's.





In 1961, Khrushchev stupidly (and someone sees a malicious intent here) is pursuing a monetary reform, replacing the “Stalinist footcloths” with “Khrushchev's candy wrappers”, as a result of which the value of the ruble is halved.

Tired of experimenting, they overthrow Khrushchev in 1964, LI takes over as head of state. Brezhnev.

Khrushchev, he is a shoemaker in matters of theory, he is an opponent of Marxism-Leninism, this is the enemy of the communist revolution, hidden and cunning, very veiled ... No, he is not a fool. And what for the fool went? Then the last fools! And he reflected the mood of the overwhelming majority. He felt the difference, he felt good.

Molotov V.M. 1972

What is remarkable for us the time of "thaw"?

It was during these years that the bourgeoisie began to revive from the hands of Khrushchev, the bourgeoisie, not full of life for Stalin, who want to live at the expense of the people, without investing their labor in anything. Same as today's oligarchs, who did get to the "trough".

But what a bad luck, with a planned economy there is practically no opportunity to accumulate capital. Cash circulation in the country is minimized.

What to do in such a situation hobugs? Everything and everywhere is controlled by the state.

However, as practice has shown, all the inaccessibility of a planned economy is only apparent, there remains a sphere in which cash and commodity relations still exist in cash - this is a sphere of trade. It is here that all destructive elements begin to flow.

If we add Khrushchev's speech to all this at the 20th Congress, at which he assured everyone that the repressions would not happen again, then this would create a fertile ground for the further development of the elements we mentioned above. Metastases begin to spread throughout the body of the state.

I hope now it has become clear to everyone why Stalin wanted to gradually withdraw money from domestic trade relations?

Stagnation.



"The economy must be economical."

L.I. Brezhnev

During the reign of Brezhnev, the neo-bourgeoisie is gaining momentum and taking deep roots. It separates and becomes a separate shadow class. It is because of this class and its inordinate greed that all problems will arise.

Now, in fact, to the very stagnation. The term "stagnation" is very late. For the first time it was delivered by MS Gorbachev at the XXVII Congress of the CPSU in 1986 year (after the death of Brezhnev). In many ways, the term is not fair, since under Brezhnev all spheres of the economy continued to develop steadily, but in some ways it reflects the situation of those years - under Brezhnev, serious progress in power stopped, officials lingered in their places until moldy old age. I would call this time not “stagnation” but “backbone,” it would be more accurate.

Sitting on the ground, people became overgrown with connections and lucrative acquaintances (this was what Stalin tried to prevent, cleaning the device every 5 years). That's it, for the inaction of Brezhnev and loved in the "top".

How did the policy pursued by Leonid Ilyich affect the deficit?

It was in Brezhnev times that store shelves begin to really empty. One or the other begins to disappear (as with buckwheat in Moscow in August 2010 and the loss of sugar in stores in Moscow, also somewhere in 2010). People agitated by the constant disappearance of one or the other goods begin to be purchased for the future (sometimes for a whole month ahead), since the prices for food in the USSR were low compared to today. Because of such predatory purchases and high purchasing power of citizens, the store shelves were quickly emptied and could not be replenished again, since at the very first delivery all the goods were suddenly swept away from the store shelves.

An excerpt from the book "Brezhnev without lies." A.M. Burovsky:

“The cost of bread ranged from 5 kopecks for a butter roll weighing 330 grams to 16 kopecks for a loaf of black or 22 kopecks for a challah braid. With an average salary in 66 rubles in 1961 and 120 rubles in 1981, this money was not that small ... They were intangible. There was always bread, for all segments of the population, and plenty. Bread was so affordable and cheap that in the villages, pigs and chickens were fed to households with baked bread from the shops. Such bad people were ashamed and scolded, cartoons in the press were painted on them ... Of course, it did not help. ”





For example, try to reduce food prices three times today (and prices for some products in the USSR were even lower) and I’ll see how the shelves in the stores will remain full. Today’s abundance is just an illusion (and illusions are precisely inherent in capitalism with its market economy), since most of the goods, because of their high prices, are simply inaccessible to the majority of the population. To whom it is interesting, I can independently conduct a comparison of the level of prices and wages in Russia and the USSR, but I will not touch on this topic any more so that the article does not turn into a book in terms of volume.

“Already, a substantial part of our fellow citizens live in conditions of such a shortage of money that the shortage of goods with money is perceived quite differently.”

S.E. Kurginyan.

Is it possible in this case to talk about the deficit?

To answer this question you need to find out what the deficit is:

“Deficiency is a mismatch between product supply and demand.”

Now compare with your situation. Yes, there was nothing on the shelves of the stores, but people had full refrigerators, no one was hungry, the goods reached the consumer completely, which means that the demand was satisfied. It turns out there was no shortage of nebilo, but there was a simple speculation.

Traders sold most of the goods coming to them to the market, leaving the worst products in stores for a report. They tried to hide the product, hold it and sell more expensive from under the floor. So the shadow market was born, the volume of which, by the middle of the 80-s, was no less than 30% of the national income of the USSR.

“Jacob Brezhnev (the brother of Brezhnev — p. Ed.) Helped to get any deficiency from drugs to dachas. He was sent to special shops for a nomenclature with dubious personalities who bought everything and then resold it to speculators. The proceeds went for a walk in restaurants. ”

Andrei Burovsky - a writer.

It was an artificial commodity deficit that made it possible to profit from the difference in prices in a planned economy. Neither the state as a whole, nor the population of the country were interested in the so-called deficit, as it created social tension and increased the material costs of the state to combat this problem. The deficit was in the hands of only the "shadow".



An excerpt from the book "Brezhnev without lies" A.M. Burovsky:
“Foreigners often believe that real hunger reigned in Russia during the“ years of stagnation. ”Some of the young people think the same way, having failed to catch the“ years of stagnation ”and knowing about them only by hearsay. So, there was no famine in any sense of Words. Almost everyone had foodstuffs, the question was what exactly and at what price.Who got quality products in a special distributor, who bought not very high-quality products “for the population” in stores, defending huge queues, overpaying in “cooperative” stores. Who bought the same products "to pull" and endured from the back door. And who was bursting in queues of other cities, arriving in green, smelling sausage electric trains. ”

Andropov.



Yu.V. Andropov is the only one who saw the full scope of the parasitism that unfolded and was not afraid to speak out against the massive dominance of corruption, which at that time had already covered everything. He begins to carry out mass purges: in the 15 months, the 18 Allied Ministers and the 37 First Secretaries of the Regional Committees were replaced. This has not happened since the 30's. Not surprisingly, almost a year later, Andropov dies from kidney failure.

Chernenko.

“Why can't the Central Committee finish the chess game? Because e-two go there - e-two. ”

Joke 1984 of the year.



After the death of Andropov, the “parasites” put at the head of the country the 73-hletney, already with one foot in the grave, Chernenko, whose leitmotif of the reign is: “no change”. He turns off all corruption cases initiated by Andropov. “Zasidentsy” wanted to hold out in their places as long as possible, but Chernenko was already old and he was quickly dying. He is replaced by a young and promising MS. Gorbachev.

“She herself broke up.” The truth about the deficit in the USSR



The last of the Soviet Unions - Gorbachev's USSR.

Years of adjustment. Citizens are trying to move from village to city to the maximum, cities expand, and villages rot. Everything great and beautiful has already been forgotten and much has been spat upon, a cult of money and charity has been imposed on people, on sly. Something like this can be characterized by the time of Gorbachev's rule.

Evil has snuck into the very core of our Country, overwriting all the most sacred with its dirty little hands, but the country is still alive, its industry continues to operate and operate at a very high, competitive level. It was for the latter, the decisive blow to the economy, that the bourgeois (Stalin often called them "Zionists") put Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev at the head of the country, because the overgrown tumors became closely within the framework of the USSR.

In January, 1987, with yet another light hand, foreign trade restrictions are lifted - these are limitations due to which the internal market of the Soviet Union existed, since all prices within the country were many times lower than world prices. Everything starts to be taken out of the USSR, starting with washing machines and refrigerators, ending with pans, toilet paper and toothpaste with soap. Export is mainly carried out through Poland.


At the time of the restructuring of the USSR produced 21% of the total world production of butter, but there was no oil in the stores. Where did it go? And it appeared in huge quantities abroad. Interesting really?

21 July 1989 - all restrictions on the export of gold from the USSR are removed. He, in huge quantities, is beginning to be supplied to the domestic market of the country, in the form of various jewelry and products, then speculators, without any problems, bought it at scanty domestic prices (relative to world prices) and exported abroad, selling it there at global prices. prices.

Also, Gorbachev is increasing the national debt, ostensibly for the purchase of food abroad. To answer the question, where is Gorbachev doing this money, still nobody can.



By the end of 80, the beginning of 90, everything disappeared in the stores.

26 December 1991 of the USSR ceased to exist.













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An excerpt from the speech of Margaret Thatcher. Houston, 11. 1991:

«The Soviet Union is a country that posed a serious threat to the Western world. I'm not talking about a military threat. It, in essence, was not. Our countries are fairly well armed, including nuclear weapons. I mean the economic threat. Thanks to a planned policy and a peculiar combination of moral and material incentives, the Soviet Union managed to achieve high economic indicators. The percentage of gross national product growth was about two times higher than in our countries. If we take into account the enormous natural resources of the USSR, then with the rational management of the economy, the Soviet Union had very real opportunities to oust us from world markets. Therefore, we have always taken actions aimed at weakening the economy of the Soviet Union and creating internal difficulties for it.»

Here is a brief review on the topic of food shortages in the USSR, limited by the article. As can be seen in different years, the country faced various economic problems and tried to solve them as far as possible. Sometimes decisions were successful, sometimes not. Therefore, each reader will have to decide for himself - to believe the stories of the liberals that the planned economy is responsible for all the troubles (which, by the way, are still afraid of “zapadentsy”) or not.

“I first sat and pondered: Why did it take to demonize the planned economy? And then I understand that all the same, probably because now we have been forced to return to the basics of planning for several years. We plan the state budget not for a year, but for three years. We are talking about the need for a mobilization-modernization economy, because without a qualitative leap, we cannot get out of the quagmire where the country is plunging. And then I understand that shooting at a planned economy is an attempt to destroy the chance for the revival of the country. ”/ С.Н. Baburin - Rector of the RGTEU. "
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  1. Professor
    Professor 24 May 2014 08: 38
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    Here is a brief review on the topic of food shortages in the USSR, limited by the article. As can be seen in different years, the country faced various economic problems and tried to solve them as far as possible. Sometimes decisions were successful, sometimes not. Therefore, each reader will have to decide for himself - to believe the stories of the liberals that the planned economy is responsible for all the troubles (which, by the way, are still afraid of “zapadentsy”) or not.

    Got an era of stagnation and all that was after. I remember the deficit very well. All had to get, negotiate and stand in line (say on the car). The reason for all this is a planned economy and the lack of private ownership of the means of production. The scoop ended and the deficit ended.
    1. saag
      saag 24 May 2014 08: 51
      +45
      One shortage of goods ended, another began - of money
      1. krpmlws
        krpmlws 24 May 2014 09: 22
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        Quote: saag
        One shortage of goods ended, another began - of money

        Accurate remark: the systems of regulating supply and demand under capitalism and socialism are simply different. The prices under socialism were lower in relation to the money supply held by the population, so the goods in demand, such as the Volga or Lada, fell into the category of deficit, but the Muscovite or Zaporozhets it was possible to buy quite hassle-free (I don’t know how in other regions of the USSR, but in Siberia it was just that). Food was also not clear, there were markets where you could always buy any food, but people preferred to stand in line for a cheap meat factory in a state store to save money. Well, and now with this fucking capitalism, a lot of things are on sale, but they somehow cannot be acquired for personal use. What is the difference between the capitalist deficit and the socialist one? Nothing. Another question is that the assortment of goods capitalism is wider and, accordingly, on the upper border, and the quality was often higher. Here, of course, not refinement of the social system, but I am convinced this defect is not an inherent defect of socialism, everything could be fixed.
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 24 May 2014 10: 23
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          I would not say that under socialism, food prices were lower than now. If we make a proportion of those prices to that salary, it will be about the same as now, the huge turnover of retail chains confirms the solvent demand of the population. Non-food products (household appliances, cars, etc.) have become much more affordable. It is enough to stand in traffic jams in every large and not so big city to make sure.
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          2. andj61
            andj61 24 May 2014 18: 15
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            Quote: sergey32
            I would not say that under socialism, food prices were lower than now.

            Let's count on bread. A loaf of 0,9 kg of black rye-wheat bread cost in 1980 (and even before 1992) 16 kopecks - 1 kg - 17,8 kopecks.
            2014 (Bryansk) 17 rubles - 0,6 kg - 1 kg - 28,33 rubles.
            The minimum wage in the Bryansk region in 1980 is 80 rubles (less was paid to anyone for a full month) - 450 kg of bread.
            The minimum wage in 2014 in the Bryansk region (agreement between the government of the Bryansk region, the regional Federation of Trade Unions and employers of 17.01.14/6000/212) - XNUMX rubles - XNUMX kg of bread.
            It should be noted that the regional authorities now support the price of bread.
            So the bread was cheaper.
          3. From Tver
            From Tver 24 May 2014 22: 36
            +7
            But what's the point? Zhrachki nemeryano around super and megastores, everything and everything is bought on credit. Moreover, not a single new enterprise or factory is built! Where to work or everything in the service sector ?! request
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 26 May 2014 22: 36
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              Quote: From Tver
              But what's the point? Zhrachki nemeryano around super and megastores, everything and everything is bought on credit. Moreover, not a single new enterprise or factory is built! Where to work or everything in the service sector ?! request

              This is called technological progress, and where does it ask you (or your children) will work when (very soon) the entire production will become fully automated? request
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 26 May 2014 22: 46
                +1
                Yes, all right, but where will the Chinese work very soon?
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 26 May 2014 23: 42
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                  Quote: bot.su
                  Yes, all right, but where will the Chinese work very soon?

                  Hmmm, yes, if I were you - I would also be keenly interested in this question ... what But unfortunately I can’t say anything positive sad Wait and see request
          4. I am
            I am 24 May 2014 22: 41
            +12
            household appliances and automobiles are now ten times worse in quality than durable goods in the USSR. Now the cult of consumerism !!!! All the so-called household appliances have to be changed every three years, and this is in the worst case !!!! Repair as such is absent, and impossible because of = lack of drawings and wiring diagrams. Type buy new. But new every year is getting worse !!!!! Conspiration in one word. And traffic jams are also an indicator - the lack of brains among motorists and flourishing individualism. Instead of a tram or trolley, it’s better to spend 14 rubles in a traffic jam instead of 200 rubles (the price of a minibus in Zapatov) in your car and in a traffic jam. And even two blocks to the store already go, instead of walking. And the cars themselves ???? Soviet, by the way, still ride perfectly, and you need to serve imported shit as a fighter, and why the heck ?????? I already wrote, but I repeat, the generator belt flies or breaks, modern carriers call a tow truck ..... poor fellow, and how they mocked me when I got up at my Okushka, it died out, and the machine overheated, why should I get rid of it. Well, nothing !!!! drained the radiator, poured the usual water out of the bottle from the nearest store from the refrigerator and after 10 minutes left to cool off to the parking lot))))))))) everyone is happy, except for goats ** in foreign cars gathered around)))))))))) )))
          5. samoletil18
            samoletil18 26 May 2014 12: 40
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            Quote: sergey32
            It is enough to stand in traffic jams in every large and not so big city to make sure.

            It is enough to begin to retire to the periphery in order to look at authorities. I’m silent about the increase in prices, as I move away from a large and not very populated area. I only note a decrease in the level of income of the population, as it moves away to the outback.
        2. 2log
          2log 24 May 2014 11: 08
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          Quote: krpmlws
          . Another question is that under capitalism the assortment of goods was wider and, accordingly, on the upper border, and the quality was often higher.

          The range is not equal to quality. Once people were delighted that in the West there were 40 varieties of sausages, but not 3. So far, these sausages have not replaced domestic ones. Now they recall with melancholy the taste of those 3s, but it’s too late to achieve this quality in a profit-oriented economy, rather than satisfying a need.
          1. sergey32
            sergey32 24 May 2014 11: 44
            +9
            If you want a natural product, no problem. You come to the village and buy from the peasants inexpensively. The meat is full. I have been keeping rabbits for fun in the summer for several years now, while the grass. Came out, mowed, gave them, beauty! When he scored for the first time, the children from the protest declared "We will not eat Misha." but as soon as the smell of stewed rabbit meat with potatoes went, they came running, cracking with might and main. wassat
            1. pilot8878
              pilot8878 24 May 2014 22: 56
              +3
              Most of the "peasants" in the village can only buy fumes. In the North-West, agriculture is in a very poor condition and it will take a very long time to rise to the previous level, at least.
          2. Klim
            Klim 24 May 2014 17: 58
            +13
            Once again, I can repeat during the USSR, sausage was in short supply, then the collapse ambassador disappeared altogether, of course, except for those surrogates that are on store shelves.
            1. Nikolay74
              Nikolay74 24 May 2014 18: 53
              +9
              I remember earlier on the highway you go around herds of collective farms, all fields are cultivated, and there are few sausages in the store, but now the herds are not visible, many fields are abandoned and sausages are heaped up. Another thing is that before the sausage was edible hi
              1. Gomunkul
                Gomunkul 26 May 2014 10: 12
                0
                Another thing is that before the sausage was edible
                I support you. Previously, sausage was related to meat products, and now more to vegetables. Chemistry works wonders. hi
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        3. mazhnikof.Niko
          mazhnikof.Niko 24 May 2014 15: 34
          +14
          Quote: krpmlws
          Another question is that the assortment of goods under capitalism is wider and, accordingly, on the upper border and the quality was often higher

          I put you +, but ... As amended. For example: I have a refrigerator Orsk-3, produced in 1973 - it still works. (We store vegetables in it now) Another question is that Indesit spends less energy, it is more convenient and technologically advanced. But during the "triumph of capitalism" this is my second refrigerator. It is a medical fact, and of the equipment purchased in "Birches", nothing has survived, it is outdated and out of order much earlier - Orsk-3. So, not everything was as "FUCKED" as the liberals lie, using OUR short memory. The author is undoubtedly right. Investigation of the activities of the Pseudo-reformers is ahead, so as not to repeat the BIGGEST MISTAKE of our NATION.
          1. andj61
            andj61 24 May 2014 18: 20
            +6
            I agree! And about the refrigerator - last year they threw a working Oku-3 of 1975 of release into the garage. True, the sealing gum was changed once in the 80s, but now this gum has just torn, but there is nothing to replace it with. For electricity - a little more than Indesit. The view, however, is already worthless.
            1. peter mechkaev
              peter mechkaev 25 May 2014 15: 55
              +3
              Refrigerator "SARATOV", produced in '60 ... works ... has never been repaired. It was bought in Leninsk-Baikonur.
      2. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 24 May 2014 09: 31
        -44%
        Quote: saag
        One shortage of goods ended, another began - of money

        A shortage of money is a consequence of their inability to earn it.
        Economic Equalization is an instrument of lazy people and losers who want to go to heaven for a hump of those who want and know how to earn money. am

        My grandfather, after the Second World War, worked as a workshop foreman until retirement - and I observed the following picture during all the years of work: 40% plowed for everyone, and 60% plumped or slept at work, and it’s right to work in case it doesn’t affect the socialist salary , and what for learning something when bukhaya behind the machine you can get twice as much Soviet engineer. negative

        The author clearly wants to go back to the hothouse conditions for the life of an infantile drone, where they decide everything for you, where you don’t need to strive for success, where the feeder is planned to be filled, and where you don’t really need to WORK !!! am

        And the most offensive thing is that people, in their eternal craving for freebies, are being led to such a false agitation, which promises them heaven on earth "without really straining", but this does not happen.sad In short, a minus article, the author is an enemy of the people.
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 24 May 2014 10: 43
          +36
          I don’t know what kind of egalitarianism you are talking about. I am in a "squadron" working on harvesting tomatoes in Astrakhan received 300-350 rubles a month. The tomato harvest rate was 280 kg. Those who wanted to make money didn’t filonil, and the norms were exceeded. We had a girl in a group, picking a ton of tomatoes a day, paying 25 rubles. if on Sunday the payment is double, she was paid extra for the quality of assembly and styling. So it came out and 500 rubles a month. Did they work nearby ???? students from Moscow. So they earned 10 rubles a month. In factories, whoever wanted to make money. Drunken turners were not kept at work, "two hunchbacks" in labor, an unpleasant reward if a drunk was not fired. then the turn for the apartment, nafig. Prizes nafig, 13 nafig. Vacation nafig. But all Saturdays, all this is yours.
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 May 2014 12: 59
            +5
            Quote: Free Wind
            I don’t know what kind of egalitarianism you are talking about. I am in a "squadron" working on harvesting tomatoes in Astrakhan received 300-350 rubles a month.

            And I'm on watermelons b- about the same
            But the locals for some reason did not work. Why not say so? Although when it was necessary to load the left scum and send it to Moscow - there was only a squeak

            Quote: Free Wind
            In factories, whoever wanted to earn the same

            It was not that. earnings more or less appeared when there were integrated teams and KTU. but there were lizoblyudy receiving KTU 1.5
            1. saag
              saag 24 May 2014 14: 54
              0
              Quote: atalef
              But the locals for some reason did not work

              In! I was at watering like this, when every 15 minutes you throw a bag of saltpeter into the canal, so there was a tractor driver and a clerk from local
            2. peter mechkaev
              peter mechkaev 25 May 2014 16: 01
              0
              You are right. You yourself went through this. Especially during the time of the KTU brigades. Normal hard workers were beaten on the hands.
          2. saag
            saag 24 May 2014 14: 52
            0
            I've been there too, only on watermelons :-)
        2. Checks
          Checks 24 May 2014 11: 15
          +28
          But the current oligarchs, judging by the income, plow for all. And their intelligence is higher than that of all Russian scientists taken together ... It’s just that the key to success is the presence of such low qualities in a person as meanness, deceit, hypocrisy, indifference to pain and problems of others.
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 24 May 2014 12: 54
            -18%
            Quote: Check
            But the current oligarchs, judging by the income, plow for all. And their intelligence is higher than that of all Russian scientists taken together ... It’s just that the key to success is the presence of such low qualities in a person as meanness, deceit, hypocrisy, indifference to pain and problems of others.

            This is more a problem of a single society, rather than an idea.
            No matter how hard you try, you won’t grow strawberries in the sand, except perhaps a cactus.
            For some reason, for the same Germans or Japanese, everything works fine without mass theft, scam and budget cuts.

            From personal experience - the way to do business in Russia is painfully similar to the way to do business in the Arab countries, all on kickbacks, nepotism, and scammers at the slightest opportunity.

            Folkler of the people reflects its essence:
            "Without sucker and life is bad"
            "Fools work loves"
            "Work is not a wolf, it will not run into the forest"
            "Let the tractor work: it is made of iron"
            "Don't rush to work, don't be late for lunch"
            "What to spin when finished passion"
            "There are enough fools for our age"
            "If you don't ... you won't live."
            "One with a bipod, seven with a spoon"
            Etc. etc. - Or again the machinations of the imperialists? laughing
            1. Free wind
              Free wind 24 May 2014 13: 08
              +19
              Sorry, but this is not a folk falkler !!!!!!! Remember this !!! This is a prison falkler, prison. Only one saying is popular.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 24 May 2014 13: 20
                +2
                Quote: Free Wind
                Sorry, but this is not a folk falkler !!!!!!! Remember this !!! This is a prison falkler, prison. Only one saying is popular.

                Oh, if all people were as idealistic as you ... sad
                But facts are stubborn things, this is not a prison jargon, but officials and the "business elite", and very long ago. sad
                1. mazhnikof.Niko
                  mazhnikof.Niko 24 May 2014 15: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  but officials and "business elite", and very long ago.

                  Excuse me, what will you be from? Sorry ...
                2. pilot8878
                  pilot8878 24 May 2014 23: 03
                  +3
                  And where did this "business idit ... that is, the elite" come from? Just one of the legalized "heroes of the 90s" who did not end up in the cemetery at the time. Because they were "in the zone" for robbery, banditry and other "romantic" pranks.
            2. IS-80
              IS-80 24 May 2014 17: 16
              +1
              Quote: And Us Rat
              This is more a problem of a single society, rather than an idea.

              Yeah, again the people are wrong. laughing Maybe in this case it would be necessary to be somewhat more careful with poorly applicable ideas?
            3. Not hearing
              Not hearing 24 May 2014 18: 58
              0
              Here is another saying: "Take every nail from the factory, you are the owner here, not the guest."
              1. peter mechkaev
                peter mechkaev 25 May 2014 16: 04
                -1
                It's different with us ... COMRADE! YOU ARE NOT A GUEST HERE ... GOING FROM WORK .. AT LEAST A NAIL "
            4. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank 24 May 2014 20: 26
              +1
              Well, comrade, and got a lot of folklore from personal experience in the harsh 80s
            5. alleksSalut4507
              alleksSalut4507 24 May 2014 22: 14
              +1
              this folklore is simply humorous. who wanted it worked.
            6. SPAAARTAAA
              SPAAARTAAA 25 May 2014 21: 44
              +1
              Mdaaa ... Only two sayings are truly Russian folk. And then the meaning is that you understand them? Work is not a wolf, it won’t run away into the forest - nothing will be done by itself. No need to misinterpret.
            7. Gomunkul
              Gomunkul 26 May 2014 10: 31
              +2
              Folkler of the people reflects its essence:

              You can’t even take fish out of the pond without labor.
              Cause time - fun hour.
              In work, heroes are born.

              Judge a person by his work.

              Labor conquers everything.

              Labor feeds, and laziness spoils.

              Where there is work, there is happiness.

              Will and wondrous labor yield the will.

              It’s easy to live - just smoke the sky.

              Every end is good.

              A small business is better than a great idleness.

              More work, fewer words.

              Do not take up your work, and do not be lazy over your own.

              Anyone who is used to work does not sit idly by.

              Do not worship to the ground, and you can not raise a fungus.

              He who speaks little, he does more.
              Etc. etc. Your comments given above are proverbs from parasites. wink
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        3. 52
          52 24 May 2014 12: 03
          +11
          Colleague, I gave you a minus, because you obviously never worked as a turner or a locksmith. I just have a problem - finding a good turner! Remember an anecdote from the 90s: "And if the vodka becomes 100 rubles, you will drink? The turner answers, I will! And if 500 rubles, I will. Why? And the turner takes out an interesting detail and says, This is how it cost" 0,5
          "and it will be worth it!" smile
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 24 May 2014 12: 59
            +3
            Quote: 52gim
            Colleague, I hit you with a minus, because you obviously never worked as a turner or a locksmith ...

            No, I plowed my hands at a construction site for almost 10 years, 12-14 hours a day, under the sun in a 45-degree heat, or cold winter rains that do not stop for weeks. So I am VERY WELL familiar with what WORK is for the sake of my goal. No.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 25 May 2014 22: 33
              0
              Quote: And Us Rat
              So I am VERY WELL familiar with what WORK is for the sake of my goal.

              And what is the purpose, if not secret?
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 25 May 2014 23: 21
                0
                Quote: bot.su
                Quote: And Us Rat
                So I am VERY WELL familiar with what WORK is for the sake of my goal.

                And what is the purpose, if not secret?

                Banal and important, self-realization and prosperity ABOVE the average level, I do not chase the stars, very much money is connected as well as poverty.
                I want to go to a restaurant, buy new clothes, gifts for my family, travel abroad, use the highest quality services, DO NOT WORRY about how this will affect my budget, I need just so much money - so that I don’t think about them, this is financial freedom. (under socialism, this was only available to a handful of "select" people, the elite, the government - clearly an order of magnitude fewer than under a free market)
                1. nerd.su
                  nerd.su 26 May 2014 16: 56
                  +1
                  Here you work a lot for prosperity above average, but not for very big money. And what do you think if a person has a lot of money, 1000 times more than yours, is this an indicator that he works 1000 times more? Or a thousand times more effective? Or are there more options?

                  And how many people should you receive in order to consider that you are getting above average?
                  With us it is our 100-150 thousand, about 3500-5000 dollars. True, we have a feature: if you are already at a certain level, then you must comply. Real estate and movability should be consistent, including the price range. And they will consider it a sucker and a miser. Is that bad smile Therefore, traveling abroad and using the highest quality services, DO NOT WORRY as it affects the budget, is impossible in Russia. And wherever it is impossible, it can only happen in Israel.
                2. Gomunkul
                  Gomunkul 28 May 2014 09: 46
                  0
                  Banal and important, self-realization and prosperity ABOVE the average level, I do not chase the stars, very much money is connected as well as poverty.

                  A black man lies under a palm tree and waits until a banana falls on him, and how he falls, so
                  he will eat it. There is a Jew nearby and says to the black man:
                  - Listen, why are you lying here under a tree and waiting for bananas? Take a stick, knock it down
                  a few pieces, go to the market and sell them ...
                  - Well, and then what?
                  - How what !? You get the money - you hire a dozen more blacks, like you, who
                  bananas will be knocked down from palm trees, and you just have to sell them ...
                  - Well, and then what?
                  - What are you, Negro, dumb or something!? !! You will have even more money - you will hire a hundred
                  blacks, plant a thousand palm trees and you will have a huge banana plantation.
                  - Well, and then what?
                  - Well, you and! You will have a lot of money, you don’t need to work yourself - lie yes
                  bananas pop!
                  - Well, you are stupid, Jew! I’m doing this now ...
                  lol
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        4. Garysit
          Garysit 24 May 2014 12: 10
          +1
          All your army is in Israel or Kolomoisky, Abramovich and Prokhorov, your fetish, money earned from someone else's hump and theft !!!!!!!
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 May 2014 13: 00
            +3
            Quote: GarySit
            All your army is in Israel or Kolomoisky, Abramovich and Prokhorov, your fetish, money earned from someone else's hump and theft !!!!!!!

            tell me where this money can be obtained. maybe I will stop working 12 hours a day?
            hi
            1. I am
              I am 24 May 2014 22: 51
              +1
              nowhere else, I work as much, and somehow it turns out slowly (((((((too high expenses for servicing everything, everything and a communal apartment, but it's difficult to live without them, but not to move to a hut))))
          2. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 24 May 2014 13: 03
            -6
            Quote: GarySit
            All your army is in Israel or Kolomoisky, Abramovich and Prokhorov, your fetish, money earned from someone else's hump and theft !!!!!!!

            I earned my money with my own hands at a construction site, so bite the language of the links am
            It's not your fault that you are a drone and a miserable loser, except yourself. am
            1. I am
              I am 24 May 2014 22: 53
              +3
              but we do not run away from difficulties and live in RUSSIA !!!! And not in a country at war with all the neighbors at once ..... Read the book "The Worlds of Harry-Garrison", there is one such world as Israel is described and how this world will end too))))
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 25 May 2014 06: 22
                -5
                Quote: I am
                but we do not run away from difficulties and live in RUSSIA !!!! And not in a country at war with all the neighbors at once ..... Read the book "The Worlds of Harry-Garrison", there is one such world as Israel is described and how this world will end too))))

                In this case, this also applies to you, because (in your words, 2/3 of the world only sleeps and sees how to devour you) laughing
                Py.Sy. - Unlike the Pyrrhians, we do not fight with nature, but defend ourselves from fanatics, and if their situation worsens from year to year, then on the contrary, everything blossoms and develops, in spite of everything. tongue
        5. Garysit
          Garysit 24 May 2014 12: 10
          +1
          All your army is in Israel or Kolomoisky, Abramovich and Prokhorov, your fetish, money earned from someone else's hump and theft !!!!!!!
        6. IS-80
          IS-80 24 May 2014 17: 05
          +11
          Quote: And Us Rat
          A shortage of money is a consequence of their inability to earn it.

          Then you got excited. And even if so, people are different, and now those who don’t know how to earn money, what can I do?

          Quote: And Us Rat
          My grandfather, after the Second World War, worked as a workshop foreman until retirement - and I observed the following picture during all the years of work: 40% plowed for everyone, and 60% plumped or slept at work, and it’s right to work in case it doesn’t affect the socialist salary , and what for learning something when bukhaya behind the machine you can get twice as much Soviet engineer.


          I perfectly understand you, in your insult for your grandfather, but socialism has nothing to do with it.

          Quote: And Us Rat
          The author clearly wants to go back to the hothouse conditions for the life of an infantile drone, where they decide everything for you, where you don’t need to strive for success, where the feeder is planned to be filled, and where you don’t really need to WORK !!!


          Why do you think so? Was your grandfather in particular, about which you spoke, an infantile drone?

          Quote: And Us Rat
          And the most offensive thing is that people, in their eternal craving for freebies, are being led to such a false agitation, which promises them heaven on earth "without really straining", but this does not happen. In short, the article is a minus, the author is an enemy of the people.


          What exactly do you think is the false propaganda in this article? You cannot build paradise on earth, but a fairer society than you can now.
          1. andj61
            andj61 24 May 2014 18: 25
            +5
            This is a five plus! Immediately disarmed the opponent with his own words. The undoubted benefit of studying the opponent is visible.
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 25 May 2014 06: 41
              -2
              Quote: andj61
              This is a five plus! Immediately disarmed the opponent with his own words. The undoubted benefit of studying the opponent is visible.

              This is five with a minus! Immediately took a position on the side of the larger camp and began to sing diferembes. One can see the undoubted experience of opportunism and lizoblyudstva. fellow
              Are you a former party worker by chance? laughing
              1. IS-80
                IS-80 25 May 2014 11: 14
                +2
                Quote: And Us Rat
                One can see the undoubted experience of opportunism and lizoblyudstva.


                Adherents, they are always and everywhere regardless of time and social order.

                Quote: And Us Rat
                Are you a former party worker by chance?


                And hanging labels is a sign of whom? fellow
          2. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 25 May 2014 06: 38
            -3
            Quote: IS-80
            Then you got excited. And even if so, people are different, and now those who don’t know how to earn money, what can I do?

            Well, put on your neck, and plow for them while they plump - the basis of socialism laughing

            Quote: IS-80
            I perfectly understand you, in your insult for your grandfather, but socialism has nothing to do with it.

            With all this, the environment gives rise to life, conditions and rules.

            Quote: IS-80
            Why do you think so? Was your grandfather in particular, about which you spoke, an infantile drone?

            He wasn’t, but the socialist system did not allow him to achieve OUR SKILLS more than this system provided for. (Without breaking the law or licking party asses)

            Quote: IS-80
            What exactly do you think is the false propaganda in this article? You cannot build paradise on earth, but a fairer society than you can now.

            Justice is a relative concept, and I do not see anything fair in the system of dependents trying to enter a hump of paradise of initiative and working people. Equalization is evil, it destroys a person’s main incentive for success and self-realization - competition, and encourages parasitism and laziness.
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 25 May 2014 11: 06
              +1
              Quote: And Us Rat
              Well, put on your neck, and plow for them while they plump - the basis of socialism

              This is not the basis of socialism, but your speculation. I spoke not only and mainly not only about the category of idlers and drinkers, but in general about all those who fit poorly into the realities of the economy. And you never said what you need to do with them?

              Quote: And Us Rat
              With all this, the environment gives rise to life, conditions and rules.


              And people give rise to the environment, and so on. However, what does socialism have to do with it, because it does not declare indulgence to idlers.

              Quote: And Us Rat
              He wasn’t, but the socialist system did not allow him to achieve OUR SKILLS more than this system provided for. (Without breaking the law or licking party asses)


              The system did not provide for this, but its implementation by the post-Stalin leaders let us down.

              Quote: And Us Rat
              Justice is a relative concept, and I do not see anything fair in the system of dependents trying to enter a hump of paradise of initiative and working people.


              Do you really want to see anything besides your insults, merits and ideas about life? Is justice relative? Well then, be comforted by this and do not cry about your unfortunate grandfather. I don’t see anything good either.
            2. Alf
              Alf 26 May 2014 18: 49
              0
              Quote: And Us Rat
              Justice is a relative concept, and I do not see anything fair in the system of dependents trying to enter a hump of paradise of initiative and working people. Equalization is evil, it destroys a person’s main incentive for success and self-realization - competition, and encourages parasitism and laziness.

              It is true, but you forgot one historical fact (or do not want to remember) - before the death of Stalin in the USSR there was no egalitarianism, it was introduced by the Khrushchev.
        7. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 24 May 2014 20: 10
          +1
          Well started! The gentlemen clearly took polar positions; they would never agree.
        8. Nikoha.2010
          Nikoha.2010 24 May 2014 22: 47
          -4
          S.A.M. I wish you health! Hello! Haven't seen it for a long time ... Why didn't they love you so much? Minus the full ... I did not even delve into the article really! We lived at that time in the USSR, and I know what remained of it. Let me, too, minus, but the truth to the love of freebies, so this is connected with Russian fairy tales ... Went Ivan-, caught a fish and so on. etc! The whole trouble of the Russians is that they want a freebie! I lived, grew up and was brought up in the family of an officer, and I was not taught to cheat! And about empty counters, I know not by hearsay. Young people will pass you the "old men" know what a deficit is, and how they sold Vouchers for a bubble. It's true!
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 25 May 2014 06: 57
            -3
            Quote: Nikoha.2010
            I lived, grew up and raised in the family of an officer, and I was not taught deception!

            good hi

            Quote: Nikoha.2010
            Young people will pass you the "old men" know what a deficit is, and how they sold Vouchers for a bubble. It's true!

            Not only minus those who turn green from envy to prosperity, these are people who are contorted when the lawn of a neighbor is greener.

            By the way, one of the modders showed his true face, slapped a warning from scratch, and in the case of my opponents "he doesn't catch mice" - a vivid example of hypocrisy and double standards ... negative
            By the way, a vivid example is that when such people receive power over others ... ABOUT WHAT ARE FREE AND FAIR SOCIETY THEY ARE AFTER THIS SHOULD ??? belayfool
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 25 May 2014 11: 19
              0
              Quote: And Us Rat
              Not only minus those who turn green from envy to prosperity, these are people who are contorted when the lawn of a neighbor is greener.


              Here is how? And there are no other categories in your opinion and cannot be?

              Quote: And Us Rat
              A vivid example by the way is that a situation occurs when such people receive power over others ...


              I wouldn’t give you much power either. You are not a stupid person, but your feelings in some cases seem to put a lot of pressure on your mind.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 25 May 2014 23: 28
                +2
                Quote: IS-80
                I wouldn’t give you much power either. You are not a stupid person, but your feelings in some cases seem to put a lot of pressure on your mind.

                And I do not strive for power, I refused officer courses in the army because I do not like to command people, and workers who do not know how to work without "kick acceleration" do not stay with me. I am generally a non-conflict person ... while with me in kind.
        9. I am
          I am 24 May 2014 22: 47
          +4
          I work hard at two jobs, and I’m not going to overtake a thief of bankers in any way .... maybe I’m working badly ??? Or not having a shaggy paw and not knowing how and unwilling to steal, you just can’t get as much money as that of a rich ignoramus ????? and the enemy of the people is you !!!!!
        10. I am
          I am 26 May 2014 10: 21
          0
          Quote: And Us Rat
          a shortage of money is a consequence of the inability to earn it. Economic Equalization is a tool of lazy people and losers who want to go to heaven for a humpback of those who want and know how to make money.

          The lack of money is not the desire of "Bourgeois" to pay the staff as much as necessary. that's all. And we ourselves want to have a rest and a status wheelbarrow and everything else ... from here are all the reasons for warm feelings for the USSR
      3. 222222
        222222 24 May 2014 10: 06
        0
        "One shortage of goods ended, another one began - money"
        Money or is or there is NO .. A third is not given ..
        1. shuhartred
          shuhartred 24 May 2014 12: 03
          +4
          Quote: 222222
          Money or is or there is NO .. A third is not given ..

          There is a third option. "Is this money?"
      4. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx 24 May 2014 10: 55
        +13
        Quote: saag
        One shortage of goods ended, another began - of money


        But in fact, even the shortage of goods did not end! No matter what anyone says, there is no TECH now! sausages, milk, butter in stores.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 13: 03
          +6
          Quote: rkkasa 81
          No matter what anyone says, there is no TECH now! sausages, milk, butter in stores.

          Pancake . I can offer you (the end of the 70s, Nelidovo, Kalinin region)
          The store is exclusively gray pasta. milk. bread and canned seaweed. vodka and wine. Margarine - rarely. Eggs - 2 times a week. from meat - food bone. (and this is 200 km from Moscow 0 If my mother didn’t go by train to Moscow, we wouldn’t know what it is
          -
          Quote: rkkasa 81
          there is no TECH! sausages, milk, butter in stores.
          1. rkkasa xnumx
            rkkasa xnumx 24 May 2014 16: 03
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Pancake . I can offer you (the end of the 70s, Nelidovo, Kalinin region)
            The store is exclusively gray pasta. milk. bread and canned seaweed. vodka and wine. Margarine - rarely. Eggs - 2 times a week. from meat - food bone. (and this is 200 km from Moscow 0 If my mother didn’t go by train to Moscow, we wouldn’t know what it is


            It seems that we lived in different countries. Although I come from not the richest region (Buryatia), but such squalor as in the Kalinin region. did not have.
            By the way, was your family completely inaccessible?
            1. I am
              I am 24 May 2014 22: 58
              +5
              There was no such thing in Saratov in the 80s, well, there was no abundance but milk (they brought in fresh in the morning), there was always bread, sausage, but in one store, but there was also expensive and cheap and most importantly meat, and the hens were in the neighboring store (normal were !!!, although they cooked for 3 hours), those chickens are now, even a cat eats only with great hunger)))). And the milk used to be tasty, but it had to be boiled, otherwise the next day turned sour by the morning, but now the milk does not turn sour for three days in a box standing on the windowsill on the very top ..... is it really milk ??? this is respect for the chemical industry and no more)))
          2. andj61
            andj61 24 May 2014 18: 31
            +2
            I visited Kalinin at the end of the 70s, as a student, on the Potato. Margarine and sunflower oil were full, canned fish, all kinds of groceries, but meat, cheese, butter and sausage were brought 2 times a week. Dairy products have always been in the morning. But we took only wine, processed cheese, canned fish, caviar - overseas, of course, sometimes there was salted herring in large tin boxes ..
          3. pilot8878
            pilot8878 24 May 2014 23: 15
            +2
            A village in the Leningrad Region, the 80s, tomatoes, cucumbers - from collective farm greenhouses were given to workers at bargain prices, potatoes - the collective farm allocated a field for planting to workers. Milk - daily from its herd, beef - regularly. In selmag - to stand in line for bread, sugar, and other little things. Egg and stuff - almost everyone had a subsidiary farm.
      5. ispaniard
        ispaniard 24 May 2014 14: 40
        +5
        As V.V. correctly said. Putin - "The one who does not love the USSR does not have a heart, the one who wants to return it has no head ..." And you will not pick on the phrase! But remembering all those whom I loved and love, I understand one thing, you can only love with HEART ... wink
        1. I am
          I am 24 May 2014 22: 59
          -1
          you can’t enter the same river twice)))) although I remember the USSR with warmth !!!!
      6. VNP1958PVN
        VNP1958PVN 24 May 2014 16: 48
        +1
        I always suspected that the rampant deficit in Gorbachev’s times was man-made
    2. rolik
      rolik 24 May 2014 09: 48
      +24
      Quote: Professor
      Found the era of stagnation and all that was after

      Likewise. In this era I have lived very well and stagnantly since 1971. I remember how my grandmother bought capelin and blue whiting only for dogs and cats, we did not eat this "weedy" fish. They ate mostly cod, hake, cod. Where is that navaga and hake ???? in stores now you will not find (((((((Butter bought chocolate, delicious, sweet))))))) Liver sausage, too, only bought a dog - dirty sausage was considered. Every year, with my parents, I flew by plane to the sea. If you want to Crimea, you want to Adler and Sochi. The choice was great. I went to the circles at the pioneers' houses, went for free. Children's camps in the summer, please, only an application for parents to write .... also free.
      ..... And I remember very well the times of the marked ..... On the counters, rolling a ball, sliced ​​cigarettes, young ladies smoke "Belomor", "Ligeros", "Partagas" as there is no other smoke. Soap, washing powder, according to coupons. Massive articles on the dangers of toothpaste and the usefulness of tooth powder. Disposable syringes bought for gold in the West, the newspapers joyfully shouted about this "achievement". Wild queues with massacres at wine shops. The heyday of alcoholism (((((from hopelessness. Cutting down beautiful vineyards in Khvanchkara. There is no real khvanchkara now, no. Those vineyards were cut down. And the wine, which is now called "Khvanchkara", is made from grapes growing in the neighboring region ((((( (((Thank you Misha for that too, I would not regret it and personally bought you soap (according to coupons) and a thick rope. But, of course, there were pluses. A lot of new things were discovered, until now closed.
      In this sense, well done Chinese. Looking at the tagged. Done differently and hit the nail on the head. So we had to give all the medium and small business to private owners and private companies, and leave the energy and other stones of the foundation of the state to the state. Now, maybe they would live differently.
      And I ask with
      1. Professor
        Professor 24 May 2014 10: 02
        -7
        Quote: rolik
        Likewise. In this era, I have lived very well and stagnantly since 1971. I remember how my grandmother bought capelin and blue whiting only for dogs and cats, we did not eat this "weedy" fish. They ate mainly cod, hake, cod. Where is that navaga and hake ???? in stores now you will not find ((((((I bought butter chocolate, tasty, sweet)))))))

        But my mother tells me how at the beginning of the 70s in Azerbaijan at 4 am she went to take a queue for ordinary milk, and at 7 am a window opened and from there they uttered "malako netu". Sausage trains appeared under Gorbachev?
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 24 May 2014 10: 24
          +19
          Duc, corruption in the USSR originated mainly in different Asian republics, because it corresponded to their eternal way of life, you can't live without bakshish, and then it spread like mold throughout the rest of the Union. Azerbaijan is not an exception, but most likely was the main source of this "infection". I happened to work in Baku in 83. I was shocked by many things in this "republic" - for example: 1) the fact that the stores had an abundance of goods and products, which could not be found in any city of deep Russia, 2) the fact that public buses were private and there was payment in them, in my opinion, 10-15 kopecks (if my memory serves me) and was given to the driver, 3) what was never given change in stores, 4) 10-25 rubles were always not given when paying salaries - a kind of "tax" to bosses, 5 ) money had to be paid everywhere - in any office, with any appeal to both bureaucrats and the police, 6) a colossal number of men who do not work (but somewhere who are employed), 7) an abundant market where a walking person of Slavic nationality risked get hit by a thrown rotten fruit or vegetable, 8) women hung from head to toe with gold and people constantly crowding in the gold departments of shops, etc. In general, then there was a very specific "socialism" in Azerbaijan.
        2. rolik
          rolik 24 May 2014 10: 30
          +19
          Quote: Professor
          But mother tells me

          Greetings. You see, your mother told you, but I myself remember everything as it was then. And I remember the deficit too. But then the deficit was not for food, but for Romanian walls, Salamander shoes, jeans and so on. Everyone wanted to have them, well, in a bad case, a bright package with foreign inscriptions))))))))) But now all this in bulk))))) Now I would rather ask to wrap a piece of sausage in gray wrapping paper than take it in plastic packaging ..... so much more environmentally friendly. We, as children, wanted colorful toys, we got them in abundance. And now comes the understanding of the old truth: Not all that glitters is gold.
          But a severe shortage of products arose when labeled, and not only on products, on a very soapy one, too.
          That's what I’m talking about, it was then necessary to give all the trifle and average production to private hands. Energy, subsoil to leave the state.
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 May 2014 10: 46
            +5
            Quote: rolik
            Greetings. You see, my mother told you, but I myself remember everything as it was then.

            In those years, I could not remember, therefore, from her words. But in the 80s I remember very well myself. By the way Zaporozhets could be bought freely, and Lada? wink
            1. rolik
              rolik 24 May 2014 16: 13
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              . By the way Zaporozhets could be bought freely, and Lada?

              Zaporozhets yes, free)))) Daddy's friend had one)))) we didn’t go to the forest, to the lakes, we drove)))))) The car was just a beast, crawling like a tank, only the air cooling engine sometimes had to stop and let it cool down)))))) That's when dancing with mosquitoes began))))) Saved "Deth" was such a smelly liquid))))
              Lada, too, could be bought in turn and a Muscovite. A used Zhiguli cost 1500 rubles for a "kopeck", and a "troika" went for 2000-2500.
              It was possible to buy a cooperative apartment for 6000-9000 rubles. A cousin bought a one-room apartment in the center, he went to the seas as an old mech in the SMP on "Carrots", he was an enviable groom)))))))) and he brought me jeans, as I remember now; "Montana", "Pontiac")))))))) steeply unreal)))))))
              1. Professor
                Professor 24 May 2014 16: 45
                +5
                Quote: rolik
                Cossack yes, free))))

                No, not free. We bought our fortieth from a pilot who served in Syria and bought it out of turn (or for checks, I don’t remember now). He sold it while leaving for the next business trip, and he couldn’t even buy a note in a store. Motorcycles of Java are also a rare shortage, even the Dnieper with a stroller was not easy to get.
                1. I am
                  I am 24 May 2014 23: 21
                  +2
                  The aforementioned motorcycles were free for sale in the Zenit store on Lenin Avenue in Saratov. What a strange thing ... There was also some kind of motik very similar to today's sports, but with wide wheels, I forgot the name, it cost 600 rubles, I am very good. I liked to go to look at him, I dreamed, I’ll grow up, save up and buy ... I didn’t buy it)))))) I get along great and OKushka when I go through the whole city))))
                2. Denis
                  Denis 25 May 2014 00: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  Java is also in short supply

                  In the Aprashka Java and ChZ easily, pay and take
                  And it’s not difficult with Lada. 4 bulls from the farm are taken for fattening, you plow in spring-summer-fall, then a coupon for Lada and there was not enough money for the delivered meat
            2. andj61
              andj61 24 May 2014 18: 42
              +1
              Zaporozhets was definitely free, a neighbor bought in 1977. And from Lada - Niva in 1985-86 it was possible to buy freely, Muscovites - except 2141 - too.
              1. Professor
                Professor 24 May 2014 20: 29
                +1
                Quote: andj61
                Zaporozhets was definitely free, a neighbor bought in 1977. And from Lada - Niva in 1985-86 it was possible to buy freely, Muscovites - except 2141 - too.

                No. My other neighbor, also in Syria on MI-8, interfered with the Zionists in the 80s. I bought a Lada without a queue and immediately sold (with great profit), allegedly to my nephew. Moreover, he himself is Russian, and the tribe turned out to be Armenian. This tribe to go in the store to buy a car, but it was not on sale.
                1. andj61
                  andj61 24 May 2014 22: 50
                  +1
                  I just pointed out - Niva and 85-86 year. My father bought it completely free. And all the other Lada were in line.
          2. saag
            saag 24 May 2014 15: 01
            +2
            Yes, this garbage is a deficit, I'm working as an electrician and getting 92 p. he managed to buy salaries for these very jeans for 100, and not with his hands, but in the boutiques, they were lying there and there was no murder behind them, it was in Astrakhan
            1. rolik
              rolik 24 May 2014 16: 15
              +3
              Quote: saag
              they lay there and there was no murder behind them, it was in Astrakhan

              It was already in 86-88 and further years, the most famous jeans of those times (we have) "Riorda" and "Tver")))))), even Indian ones were already on the shelves. I'm talking about the years from 1976 -1983))))))))
        3. andj61
          andj61 24 May 2014 18: 36
          +2
          Sausage trains appeared under Brezhnev. I remember very well when in Bryansk sausage disappeared from free sale in stores - it was the spring of 1976. If before that, they bought 300-500 grams of sausage - to eat, then after that they were packed with loaves - the sausage was delivered to stores, but it was not enough. Milk was imported and sold in the morning, and after 17, when people went from work.
          But the sausage was in cooperative stores, but three times more expensive. Dairy sausage and Ostankino - 2-80 (in Bryansk, in Moscow - 2-90), and in the cooperative - 7-80.
          By the way, many attributed the deficit to a significant increase in salaries.
        4. ImPerts
          ImPerts 24 May 2014 22: 11
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          But my mother tells me how at the beginning of the 70s in Azerbaijan at 4 am she went to take a queue for ordinary milk, and at 7 am a window opened and from there they uttered "malako netu". Sausage trains appeared under Gorbachev?

          From Baku to Moscow? Sausage trains?
        5. I am
          I am 24 May 2014 23: 15
          0
          Partly right. sausage trains were before. BUT !!!!!!! What kind of sausage was they brought in ?????? That's right, the one that did not fall into small cities. And then, they drove a lot ???? Remember the shelf life of sausage ???? It became slippery on the second day without a refrigerator - you can’t eat. And in the refrigerator for the third. So draw conclusions. it’s not clear with milk, Senya’s grandmother in B. Karabulak always had milk in triangular tetrapacks in RaPO, which is 100 km from Saratov .... and they sold the spaghetti in RaPO, my grandmother broke them like chicken and noodles in chicken soup threw, very good.)))))
      2. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 24 May 2014 10: 32
        -9
        Quote: rolik
        Likewise. In this era I have lived very well and stagnantly since 1971. I remember how my grandmother bought capelin and blue whiting only for dogs and cats, we did not eat this "weedy" fish. They ate mostly cod, hake, cod. Where is that navaga and hake ???? in stores now you will not find (((((((Butter bought chocolate, tasty, sweet))))))) Liver sausage, too, only bought a dog - dirty sausage was considered. Every year, with my parents, I flew by plane to the sea. If you want to Crimea, you want to Adler and Sochi ...

        Not all parents were officials and party functionaries with access to a special feeding trough or the same "shadow workers", ordinary workers never lived like that, some generally huddled in communal apartments, some did not have elementary plumbing in the house, in the house where my grandmother lived was 2 telephone for 5 entrances (100 apartments) in 1982! year, in order to buy a washing machine, I had to stand in line for 5 years (a primitive jug with a motor), the whole family threw off my school uniform in the first class (this is a family where there are only doctors and engineers), and no one has ever even heard of a personal car I didn’t dream, just to eat my fill of something other than potatoes was already happiness ... AND NOBODY SEEN ENLIGHTENMENT am

        Today I am the owner of a small construction company, I have 8 workers, I created it myself from scratch, working for 12-14 hours a day for several years, and I EARNED with my own hands, my right to live in abundance without dusty work (and hang around in not at the machine during working hours), and in the coffin I saw communism and everything connected with it. am
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 24 May 2014 10: 50
          +4
          Well done! I’m also hanging around in between cases from the tablet, often standing idle in traffic jams or instead of a smoke break.
          1. I am
            I am 24 May 2014 23: 29
            0
            and I only in the evening or at lunch, in traffic jams I prefer not to stand, going around everything that is possible through the yards, because of this I often break down and ride a bike)))))
        2. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 24 May 2014 11: 04
          +2
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Today I am the owner of a small construction company, I have 8 workers, I created it myself from scratch, working for 12-14 hours a day for several years, and I EARNED with my own hands, my right to live in abundance without dust working

          Yeah, "life is good", right? lol
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 24 May 2014 13: 24
            +3
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Yeah, "life is good", right? lol

            I am building people housing, and what have you achieved? request
            1. Monster_Fat
              Monster_Fat 24 May 2014 16: 10
              +8
              Well, actually, "poking" the interlocutor is considered indecent, but in your environment, boors of "entrepreneurs" are a common occurrence, so to speak, the norm of behavior. I, every day, observe how a similar "entrepreneur" bred their "servants" to work, give them instructions, and so on-treatment like slaves, if not worse, like: "I said, stay there, no-go nah .." ... As for what I have achieved in my life ... um ... the question is quite interesting, obviously, a little, since I am still being led to such "attacks" in answering them. But you will not understand this. If from the point of view of "universal human values", then: he built a house, raised a son and more than one and a daughter, planted a garden (like one tree is enough), buried his parents ... and ... that's all. I don’t take a bribe, I don’t know how ... recourse
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 24 May 2014 16: 32
                -3
                Quote: Monster_Fat
                I, every day, observe how such an entrepreneur bred his "servants" to work - gives them instructions, etc. - being treated like slaves, if not worse ...

                The trouble is that YOU are so customary, and it’s not shameful for me to work with the workers side by side with what I do regularly, we have different attitudes towards work - at the general cultural level.
                1. Starina_hank
                  Starina_hank 24 May 2014 20: 51
                  0
                  It’s not customary with us, they are imposing us like that.
                2. I am
                  I am 24 May 2014 23: 34
                  +1
                  the commander who does not know how to do the work of his subordinates better than them is an ignoramus. and manager, but in a simple rag assigned. disrespect such !!!!!! and I will not respect !!!!!
            2. pilot8878
              pilot8878 24 May 2014 23: 22
              0
              Or repairing a new one, but poorly built, the same as myself, but richer, commerce?
            3. I am
              I am 24 May 2014 23: 32
              +2
              And I develop DOMESTIC SOFTWARE FOR IMPORTED SHAVING MACHINES and teach students not to be idiots **, and learn how to work with their own mind and hands ..... but so far it is not working out well, everything is being done in the West for free ..... all the time they study with managers. ... and, accordingly, they don’t know anything by profession, and then at an interview in companies they are given a low salary, they will go to college, specialty and everything else, and again they go to work as managers ... all this is shitty.
            4. zavesa01
              zavesa01 25 May 2014 13: 02
              +3
              Quote: And Us Rat
              I am building people housing, and what have you achieved?
              WHAT? Cottage, bath, apartment decoration?
              Two apartments, two cars, a son, a daughter, a wife, an income of about 200tr per month. Like everything I work. I remember the USSR with warmth and longing. I hate democracy and everything connected with sney. AND THANKS to the USSR for my HAPPY childhood.
        3. shuhartred
          shuhartred 24 May 2014 12: 28
          +1
          Quote: And Us Rat
          I have 8 workers

          How much do you pay them?
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 May 2014 13: 06
            0
            Quote: shuhartred
            How much do you pay them?

            Well, no less than 1200 Baku per month. (This is the minimum wage in Israel)
            In general, the normal salary at a construction site is from 2 tons to 3.5 tons of dollars.
          2. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 24 May 2014 13: 11
            +1
            Quote: shuhartred
            How much do you pay them?

            Bet + Overtime + Production Bonus + Pension Fund. Are you looking for work? laughing Or is it just interesting to look into someone else’s pocket? laughing
            So be it - just for you, a construction worker earns from 1000 to 3000 euros a month with us, depending on your specialty, is that enough for your life? bully
            1. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank 24 May 2014 20: 56
              0
              We still have enough of this amount for life, but I don’t know how on the promised land, if you can enlighten.
            2. I am
              I am 24 May 2014 23: 35
              0
              So what ???? We have workers in the north and can earn more .... these are normal salaries for difficult working conditions.
            3. shuhartred
              shuhartred 26 May 2014 11: 56
              0
              Quote: And Us Rat
              . Are you looking for work?

              Yes. But in Israel, the climate is not suitable for me (I live in the far north), and they will not give me citizenship.
              Quote: And Us Rat
              Or is it just interesting to look into someone else’s pocket?

              There is no other here. Just wondering how much you value your workers.
              Quote: And Us Rat
              is this amount enough for you?

              It is. hi
        4. rolik
          rolik 24 May 2014 16: 36
          +10
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Not all parents were officials and party functionaries who had access to a special feeder or the same "shadow workers"

          For example, my dad worked all his socialist life in a woodworking factory from the age of 14. Medal bearer, awarded the Order of Labor Glory No. 271099, not counting the Winner of Socialist Competition badges and the Veteran of Labor medal. And only in 1999, at that time I served in the army, they organized the Soviet-German joint venture. Now retired for a long time, he lives in Bulgaria in his house. At the beginning of June, I send my son to rest for the whole summer.
          So, as you can see, there were no party bosses in my family. But the salary of a frame worker, when my dad worked for him, was 500 rubles + a bonus. Something like this. And those who just came to work their working day, not worrying about anything other than the 8 hours allotted to them for work. So they lived from the checkpoint to the sofa, not worrying about the future. Without worrying about the fact that tomorrow they may not be given a salary. Not worrying that September is coming and the child should be sent to school and spend a lot of money on textbooks, uniforms, kantsuha and so on. They didn’t worry that tomorrow the enterprise might “suddenly” go bankrupt and they would have to go to the labor exchange or to the street. did not steam because they were confident in the future of the "stagnation" period. And this was a huge advantage and a huge problem. So they didn’t take a steam bath and got themselves “dashing 90s”. relaxed, accustomed to the fact that their superior comrades will decide everything for them.
          By the way, we had a familiar woman, she was just the party boss of those years.
          She headed the party organization of a large enterprise. so she lived no richer than others. And when she died in the mid-90s from old age. She did not leave behind the golden mountains, and a huge amount of real estate. left behind her an ordinary two-room apartment, presented to her by the Soviet state for excellent service. before that she lived in a two-story piece of wood.
          You are less likely to believe the myths of modern liberals. Less Pozdner listen. Since this "man" abandoned his father when he was told: Either you recognize your kinship with your dad as a Jew and do not work in journalism, or refuse him and work calmly. And now this "man" is the "conscience" of that era. It's funny though.
          And about VO I can not appear here for weeks when the work is blocked. I can just close the page but forget to leave the site, and I’m hanging a pennant that I’m on the site. It's not always the same.
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        6. mazhnikof.Niko
          mazhnikof.Niko 24 May 2014 17: 07
          +1
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Today I am the owner of a small construction company, I have 8 workers, I created it myself from scratch, working for 12-14 hours a day for several years, and I EARNED with my own hands, my right to live in abundance without dusty work (and hang around in not at the machine during working hours), and in the coffin I saw communism and everything connected with it.

          For many years (under Soviet power) I remember there was a joke:
          - lies on the beach a black African.
          -the American capitalist passes by
          - why are you lying around, would take a bunch of bananas, would sell to the bazaar
          What for?
          - buy some banana bushes
          - what for?
          - sell, buy a plantation
          -what for? asks african
          - well, you'll lie by the sea and do nothing
          “So I don't do anything.” - The African answered and went swimming!
          Why did you bother at a construction site?
          What to "hang around" in the VO?
          How incompetently lived half a life!
        7. IS-80
          IS-80 24 May 2014 17: 26
          +2
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Today I am the owner of a small construction company, I have 8 workers, I created it myself from scratch, working for 12-14 hours a day for several years, and I EARNED with my own hands, my right to live in abundance without dusty work (and hang around in not at the machine during working hours), and in the coffin I saw communism and everything connected with it.


          Stop, but from now on, Comrade Bourgeois a little more. smile You kind of said the same thing -

          Quote: And Us Rat
          I am more and more inclined to think that communism is not a utopia, it's just that the idea has catastrophically overtaken the technological process, if a person is excluded from the production chain, and 90-95% of his needs are met through automated self-sufficient systems and robots - the motto is "from each according to his ability, to each according to needs "acquires a semantic load that does not contradict economic logic.
          Cars do not have to pay a salary.
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 25 May 2014 07: 10
            +2
            Quote: IS-80
            Stop, but from now on, Comrade Bourgeois a little more. smile You kind of said the same thing -


            No contradictions - I discussed the reachability of communism purely from a TECHNICAL point of view, and in the REMOTE future request Without ideological attachments, a kind of INSPECTIVE EXPERIMENT. request

            Py.Sy. - do not confuse socialism ON THE WAY to communism, and DE FACTO communism, the difference in the conditions of human existence is titanic (beggarly equalization is a technological paradise), besides, I see communism rather as a technological system of supplying the needs of mankind, and not totalitarianism "Marx-Lenin ", I just use a name familiar to everyone for convenience (as consistent with the device).
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 25 May 2014 11: 53
              0
              Quote: And Us Rat
              Py.Sy. - do not confuse socialism ON THE WAY to communism, and DE FACTO communism, the difference in the conditions of human existence is titanic (beggarly equalization is a technological paradise), besides, I see communism rather as a technological system of supplying the needs of mankind, and not totalitarianism "Marx-Lenin ", I just use a name familiar to everyone for convenience (as consistent with the device).


              And you do not confuse socialism with its unsuccessful implementations. stop And where is Marx and Lenin about totalitarianism? smile With these words about communism and technological progress, you greatly pleased me, for I think so too, but with current posts you are plunging into terrible gloom and heavy thoughts about the imperfection of a person. laughing
        8. dzau
          dzau 24 May 2014 20: 01
          +10
          Quote: And Us Rat
          Not all parents were officials and party functionaries with access to a special feeding trough or the same "shadow workers", ordinary workers never lived like that, some generally huddled in communal apartments, some did not have elementary plumbing in the house, in the house where my grandmother lived was 2 telephone for 5 entrances (100 apartments) in 1982! year, in order to buy a washing machine, I had to stand in line for 5 years (a primitive jug with a motor), the whole family threw off my school uniform in the first class (this is a family where there are only doctors and engineers), and no one has ever even heard of a personal car I didn’t dream, just to eat my fill of something other than potatoes was already happiness ... AND NOBODY SEEN ENLIGHTENMENT

          Siberia (wild and deaf, and not nearly Moscow-Peter). Father is a miner, mother is a teacher. The state gave an apartment (4 rooms). The phone was. Washer was. They didn’t take off the form. There was no car (father is not an amateur), only. Every year, dangled at sea.

          "Officials and party functionaries"? Have you seen the gap?

          Quote: And Us Rat
          Today I am the owner of a small construction company, I have 8 workers

          Oh well. And why the hell ****** do you need them, your "small firms", when is it much more optimal - planned optimization in this type of activity? It is banal for the country in terms of the use of forces and means.

          And fuck **** to plow for days where a reasonable organization and the presence of a country’s own resources can provide a normal life for everyone, with a working day of 8 (or less) hours.

          Drive some kindergarten naive about "I worked and now I'm a millionaire." Yes, the capitalist way of life is not designed for the flow and mass "knocking out of the millionaires" from the bottom (of which 99,999%), even if you hit the wall with acceleration.

          Well, a couple of dodgy rats will break out along other people's ridges. So what? The country on ***** ren does not need these rats. The country, on a scale, needs a massive amount of honest, skilled, motivated work - in the most simple, ordinary jobs: engineers, workers, teachers, drivers, sailors, doctors, military.

          To drive everyone into the "motivational corridor" a la "twist and devour your neighbor, do not sleep, do not eat, get a million" - to bury the country.

          Dumb and wild delirium.
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 25 May 2014 07: 42
            -4
            Quote: dzau
            Siberia (wild and deaf, and not nearly Moscow-Peter). The miner father ...

            Now everyone will go down into the slaughter? And who should have done the work of the engineers (my parents) then? Pushkin?

            Quote: dzau
            And why the hell ****** do you need them, your "small firms", when is it much more optimal - planned optimization in this type of activity?

            And they are needed then, in order to allow everyone to achieve what he can, without restrictions. And not a single large economy will ever bring the quality achieved by free competition.
            And the last thing - I WANT TO BE THE MOST ITSELF MYSELF and DO NOT WANT TO HAVE OWNERS, DIRECTORS, CUSTOMS OVER, and socialism DOES NOT ALLOW this, FORCING me either to BE UNDER THAT, or to become an OUTcast.
            I DO NOT WANT THAT FOR ME DECIDED AND DIRECTED TO ME HOW TO LIVE.


            Quote: dzau
            Yes, the capitalist way of life is not designed for the flow and mass "knocking out of the millionaires" from the bottom (of which 99,999%), even if you hit the wall with acceleration.

            Is type socialism calculated? laughing Socialism is a leveling down, since you cannot make everyone millionaires - let's make everyone rogue without the ability to change it.
            Socialism - the implementation of the principle of "DOG IN THE HAY" and "DO NOT GET THEN ANYONE"


            Quote: dzau
            The country, on a scale, needs a massive amount of honest, skilled, motivated work - in the most simple, ordinary jobs: engineers, workers, teachers, drivers, sailors, doctors, military.

            And the funniest thing is, our country keeps on this, not on the oligarchs — like you, but on the middle class, engineers, workers, teachers, drivers, sailors, doctors — only half of them are PARTICIPANTS!
            Teacher - has the right to give (not secretly from the party and the police)
            Doctor - can open his own clinic. (we have all private stamotologists)
            The driver is the owner of his truck or crane and works for a contract, not a cheap salary.
            Sailor - has his own fishing trawler.
            AND ANY FREEZE - EVERYTHING EARNED BY YOURSELF.


            Quote: dzau
            Dumb and wild delirium.

            Rather, on the contrary, it is too difficult for a primitive, but excessively self-confident brain. laughing
          2. rolik
            rolik 25 May 2014 12: 58
            +1
            Quote: dzau
            ... And why the fuck ****** we need them, your "small firms"

            My wife came across such a "small construction" company, and more than one. Faced when after buying premises for a medical center. It was necessary to make repairs, well, she is an independent young lady)))))) she herself conducted a rating of small construction companies and chose one. They began to make repairs))))) I do not know what kind of builders they are who cannot independently purchase materials according to the approved estimate. They composted her brain with materials for about 2 weeks. Until she herself bought everything she needed according to the designer's project. Okay, we started repairs ..... the screed is 2 times thinner than the one put, they forced to redo it. When I came to visit to look at the construction site, I saw that these masters were laying new wiring along the walls not in corrugation and without piercing the wall, but by attaching the cables to the wall and gluing them with tape. To my question why is this ????? the answer was given that it would still not be visible under the plaster. They apparently did not hear about the rules of laying. Having found the current out-of-date fittings, he convinced the dear and beloved to refuse the services of "specialists". Through my own connections, I came across workers (good ones with recommendations from people I respect) from the former test. Invited for repairs. I asked to re-calculate the estimate. As a result of the recount, the estimate shrank by 20 percent. The quality of the work done "along the line" is not to complain about, the deadlines are on time. The wife is happy, I am a hero and a savior in her eyes)))))))))
            I’m saying this, in our city there are an unrealistic amount of such small construction companies. And only 10 percent of them normally do their job. And the most interesting, people made in the USSR work in these firms. Worked in the construction industry in those days. The quality mark introduced during the Union is still relevant))))))))))
        9. I am
          I am 24 May 2014 23: 27
          +2
          Well, here's a neuritis, eh. school uniforms were everywhere and cost a penny, and the salary of an engineer was from. 120 rubles and above. engineers with a category up to 400 received. and a doctor by the way no less. Washer ???? The "Antey" store was also cheap, well, you couldn't find an automatic machine for Vyatka, but there were two types of others. There were TV sets in the "Ether" store too. Yes, for "Horizons" were recorded, but others were and decently showed. My grandmother's 5th generation horizon only burned out in 1998 ...
          So, go ahead and with a song in your coffin, you can at the same time rebuild the crypt)))))))))) And learn HISTORY, there would be no USSR and Stalin - there would be no Israel !!!!!!!
        10. Gespents
          Gespents 25 May 2014 02: 15
          +2
          Did you live in the middle of the taiga, comrade anti-communist? "2 telephones for 5 entrances (100 apartments) in 1982!", "I had to buy a washing machine for 5 years in a queue (a primitive jug with a motor", "just to eat my fill of something other than potatoes was already happiness ... AND NOBODY'S ENLIGHTENMENT Saw "- Some kind of game. We lived many times better. Nikolaev, southern Ukraine." Today I am the owner of a small construction company, I have 8 workers, I created it myself from scratch, working for several years for 12-14 hours a day , and I EARNED with my own hands, my right to live in prosperity without working dusty (and stick around in the VO and not at the machine during working hours) "- and that's all?
          1. I am
            I am 25 May 2014 11: 23
            +1
            washing machines - not a Vyatka machine were on sale in district centers. Phone??? And why the heck was he needed ??? People talked live, visited, for calls to another city there was a call center and not one.
        11. zavesa01
          zavesa01 25 May 2014 12: 54
          +1
          Quote: And Us Rat
          the owner of a small construction company, I have 8 workers,

          Is it a construction company? what In the sense of blocking the roof or toilet in the apartment? I am setting up such a company with friends on vacation to help friends. laughing ... My brother has a car repair, boxing for 8 cars plows with friends, says "we just work for ourselves" and NOT a firm. Salary on average 120-150 tr. And YOU see just a CAPITALIST !!! laughing
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 25 May 2014 23: 37
            +1
            Quote: zavesa01
            I am setting up such a company with friends on vacation to help friends. laughing ... My brother has a car repair, boxing for 8 cars plows with friends, says "we just work for ourselves" and NOT a firm. Salary on average 120-150 tr. And YOU see just a CAPITALIST !!! laughing

            Oh yes, thanks for reminding me.
            Another misfortune of today's business in Russia is greed, bragging, and the desire to humiliate everyone who "does not correspond."
            You yourself divide into castes for financial prosperity - although no one forces you, clubs for the rich, clinics for the rich, spas for the rich, for us it's wild, for example, I go to the same rocking chair with the plumber who fixes my toilet, and a millionaire in whose supermarket chain I buy food, and THIS IS NORMAL.
      3. saag
        saag 24 May 2014 14: 58
        +2
        just like mine, only I didn’t go to the pioneer camps, I had a rest with my relatives :-)
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 24 May 2014 12: 05
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      The scoop ended and the deficit ended.

      Quote: saag
      One shortage of goods ended, another began - of money

      Absolutely so!
      What has ever been meat on the market in the USSR?
      True, it cost 3,5 p there, and the store 2,8 p.
      Variety, as now, in stores, of course, was not.
      But there wasn’t such shit from preservatives, flavors and genetically modified foods either.
      When Mishka labeled and EBNe with water they splashed out a child.
    4. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 24 May 2014 14: 21
      +1
      In general, I don’t remember anyone dying of hunger
      Yes, I had to stand in line for furniture and appliances, I don’t understand the policy of the state — buy the same cars abroad and sell to the population — and the state is profitable and good for the people
    5. pinachet
      pinachet 24 May 2014 17: 33
      +1
      the deficit at the end of the 80s was artificial. everything was kept in warehouses and bases. in our St. Petersburg the whole chicken factory was starved to death, but they didn’t sell it to people. and there are many such examples. In the RSFSR, the fight closed for repair of 26 tobacco factories out of 28, I wonder where the cigarette shortage became ... ??
    6. andj61
      andj61 24 May 2014 18: 00
      0
      As a matter of fact, except for cars and apartments, there were no queues for anything (until 1987). At the same time, the apartments were given absolutely free. There was a shortage, but food and clothing were all very decent. But I always wanted the best. And then they bought jeans worth more than 1000 kg of brown bread from hucksters (a loaf of black rye-wheat bread cost 16 kopecks, a white loaf of 0,4 kg - 22 kopecks, muffin 0,5 kg - 30 kopecks) - for 250 rubles, just plastic bag jeans Wrangler - 5 rubles. In the student canteen, a complex lunch - 60 kopecks, while in the union they gave coupons to the canteen for a month - at half price.
      I studied in Moscow, there was no shortage, well, except jeans and sneakers. The queues, however, were crazy. However, the quality of the goods was high, by today's standards, of course, a very large number of natural materials. No present China was ever near!
    7. Fedya
      Fedya 24 May 2014 21: 02
      +1
      Oh oh When the state monopoly was over, the next day everything literally appeared! Question from where? And from the trading bases that the trading mafia had!
    8. zavesa01
      zavesa01 25 May 2014 12: 13
      0
      Quote: Professor
      The reason for all this is a planned economy and the lack of private ownership of the means of production. The scoop ended and the deficit ended.


      Professor, read CAPITAL for starters. There is a good analysis of market and planned economies for beginners. A certain deficit is REQUIRED for production stability. Otherwise, overproduction and, as a consequence, crisis. EVERYTHING that is written about the total deficit dates back to the collapse of the USSR.
      Plus, the grocery items were NATURAL, unlike the western ersatz.
    9. starshina78
      starshina78 25 May 2014 18: 45
      +1
      I found everything! And Khrushchev, and Brezhnev, and others. And I remember very well how in 1963-64 there were queues for bread (because of Khrushchev's "corn" policy, I had to buy bread from corn and with the addition of pea flour), there were pasta, cereals , but in the stores there was a lot of meat, and what was the sausage, brisket, loin, ham, not the current likeness. It was temporary! There was always fish on the shelves - cod, haddock, pink salmon, flounder, and even a lot of all kinds, herring - Pacific, Atlantic, Caspian. Under Brezhnev, at the beginning it became very good, then it was really worse, but it got worse in stores, but nothing had to be gotten (well, if only delicacies, such as: premium smoked sausage, crabs, etc., although you are now a lot eat crabs, not the real ones). Personally, in our city there were two trading organizations "Torg" and "ORS". So in ORS everything has always been! In "Torg" sausage is worse, and vodka "Vladimirskaya", and so it was, too. The interruptions began with the arrival of Chernenko, and Gorbachev, in general, with his perestroika, violated everything. And, already, with the advent of the new government in the person of Yeltsin, they almost began to starve. So do not find fault with the Soviet era!
  2. Nester
    Nester 24 May 2014 08: 41
    +20
    Once my mother told me a story. After graduating from school, she was getting ready to join the party (a year somewhere between 1962-1963). And her father (a communist, front-line soldier with a bunch of awards and wounds) at that time was the chairman of the collective farm. So he dissuaded her. He said that the party now has not the same communists, and the party, accordingly, too. By the way, he quietly hated Khrushchev. It turns out that in those days the country was already "led" in the wrong direction, or rather the wrong ones.
    1. nvv
      nvv 24 May 2014 09: 27
      +6
      For me, the standard of the communist, was a communist, from the movie Communist. Life has lived and not a single one, even similar, has not met.
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  3. feniks
    feniks 24 May 2014 08: 46
    -9
    This article conjures up memories of Voice of America propaganda from US soil.
    The author would live with mine, and his opinion would be different. And so another "noodles".
  4. sv68
    sv68 24 May 2014 08: 52
    +3
    I always said, a strong hand and a smart head in power is a guarantee, at least if not prosperity, then a good life in the state. And soft-headed fish-leberales are the kind of vegetables that let everything go by itself, and as a result, negative processes occur that lead the country to death or civil war
  5. Dimy4
    Dimy4 24 May 2014 08: 58
    -1
    - So we have no more enemies?
    -There is a Second Foundation ...
    -On the other side of the galaxy? For a long time we will have nothing to share.
    - Internal enemies may appear.
    -Truth? What kind?
    - These are people who do not like when money is concentrated in the hands of those who earn it. Do you understand me?

    Isaac Asimov "Foundation and Empire"
    This excerpt from the novel, in my opinion, accurately describes our story with you, especially the end of the 80s and 90s ...
  6. tokin1959
    tokin1959 24 May 2014 09: 00
    -4
    Since 1963, the Soviet Union will constantly increase grain imports.



    grain under the guise of substandard, fodder varieties was loaded in the Leningrad ports on bulk carriers.
    bulk carriers, circling the Cape of Good Hope and passing the Suez Canal, arrived at the port of Novorossiysk, and there they were already unloaded under the guise of selected Canadian grain.
    Naturally - at a different price.
    so that "business" flourished even in Soviet times.
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 09: 45
      +10
      Quote: tokin1959
      grain under the guise of substandard, fodder varieties was loaded in the Leningrad ports on bulk carriers.
      bulk carriers, circling the Cape of Good Hope and passing the Suez Canal, arrived at the port of Novorossiysk, and there they were already unloaded under the guise of selected Canadian grain.
      Naturally - at a different price.
      so that "business" flourished even in Soviet times.

      What did you come up with now?
      Firstly, the USSR had a shortage of feed grain - there was enough ordinary
      Secondly, you can really imagine what it means to spend such a combiner.
      Gotta get around
      1. Export certificates
      2. Create a dummy (certified 0 company for settlements (over the hill 0
      2. Cargo - you know. what ?
      3.Bribe a dry cargo crew - or are all deaf-mute?
      4. Create a shell company for the export of grain to the USSR
      5. Pay for delivery
      6. Obtain (accept grain) with new certificates and pass quality control 9 of course, everyone needs to pay) maybe Canadian grain is different from the USSR - this is a no brainer
      8. Well, after all these combines - somehow remove the profit from foreign accounts
      And of course. that no one would know
      By the way, this is only the smallest part. what you would have to go through. what would it crank
      Do not carry nonsense.
      1. tokin1959
        tokin1959 24 May 2014 11: 23
        -2
        No, I didn’t come up with it myself.
        I wanted to bring the source, I left it in the bookmarks - I could not find it yet.

        By the way, this is only the smallest part. what you would have to go through. what would it crank

        these party elite were occupied in the late Brezhnev era, for her everything was done as it should.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 May 2014 12: 55
          0
          Quote: tokin1959
          these party elite were occupied in the late Brezhnev era, for her everything was done as it should.

          Yes . what are you, the author claims. that in the USSR (this was under Brezhnev) - there was no shortage
          1. tokin1959
            tokin1959 24 May 2014 15: 38
            +3
            yes there was a deficit, but not so critical.
            what was not in the store was bought in the market.
            there was a shortage of cars.
            for auto parts too - the same market came to the rescue, but much more expensive than in the auto shop.
            and again - depended on the leadership of the region.
            in one area - everything was in stores, in the other - empty.
            1. peter mechkaev
              peter mechkaev 25 May 2014 16: 12
              0
              There was nothing ... But the population had everything .. Absurdity?
          2. IS-80
            IS-80 24 May 2014 17: 31
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Yes . what are you, the author claims. that in the USSR (this was under Brezhnev) - there was no shortage


            Doesn’t seem to say It was in the Brezhnev era that store shelves began to empty out for real.
  7. Yarik
    Yarik 24 May 2014 09: 08
    +5
    Excellent article in which everything is fully explained. Of course, +
  8. Gaersul
    Gaersul 24 May 2014 09: 11
    +4
    Great article. Thanks to the author.
  9. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 24 May 2014 09: 23
    +19
    The author missed (most likely not at least enlarging the article) the mention of the colossal harm that the so-called. "cooperative" movement. Gorbachev allowed the creation of practically uncontrolled companies at enterprises that, using the capabilities of these enterprises, machine-tool equipment, materials, etc., produced third-party products, selling them at their own discretion at the price that was considered optimal. Moreover, without paying taxes and sharing the profit at your own discretion. What this led to everyone remembers: 1) squandering the resources of enterprises, 2) enrichment of some particularly "close" workers, engineers and those employed in cooperatives, obtaining super profits due to corruption schemes, 3) the development of all kinds of fraudulent schemes for exporting products: widely the fact of exporting valuable wood species under the guise of packaging for machine tools, etc. is known. 4) a layer of resellers, "holders" of markets, etc. has developed. 5) the value of "official" labor has been leveled, since "cooperative" labor brought large profits, 6) it has dropped the quality of products of enterprises due to the "overflow" of qualified personnel into various types of "cooperatives", "sharashki", "offices", "garages", etc.
  10. Bongo
    Bongo 24 May 2014 09: 35
    +6
    Lingering on the ground, people overgrew with connections and profitable acquaintances

    How has something changed since then?
    Today's abundance is just an illusion (and illusions are just inherent in capitalism with its market economy), since most of the goods, due to their high price, are simply inaccessible to most of the population.

    I agree with this on 100%!
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 May 2014 09: 52
      +1
      Quote: Bongo
      Today's abundance is just an illusion (and illusions are just inherent in capitalism with its market economy), since most of the goods, due to their high price, are simply inaccessible to most of the population.

      When you stand in a traffic jam, the thought immediately comes to mind that the personal car is not available to the masses of working people, and this despite the fact that there are more roads and a smaller population. Illusion, 100% illusion.

      1. 2log
        2log 24 May 2014 11: 00
        +14
        Quote: Professor
        When you stand in a traffic jam, the thought immediately comes to mind that the personal car is not available to the masses of working people, and this despite the fact that there are more roads and a smaller population. Illusion, 100% illusion.

        Developed public transport made it easy and quick to travel to any part of the city. Today, the presence of a personal car does not guarantee fast movement, but guarantees traffic jams and pedestrian traffic. So what will you gain? Especially when you consider the almost free movement in the first case and continuous fees (taxes, gasoline, repairs) in the second.
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 24 May 2014 11: 39
          +4
          It’s not even a matter of convenience, few people think about convenience now, because then they would think first of all about the problems of maintaining personal vehicles, and in indulging the most base feelings brought up during the years of “perestroika”, rabid capitalism, that is, feelings: "possession" of something, another "toy", in egoism - "mine", "for no one else but me", contempt for compatriots - "I am" on horseback, and those who are on the bus are second class "etc.
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 24 May 2014 13: 28
            0
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            ... but in indulging the most base feelings brought up during the years of "perestroika", rabid capitalism, that is, in feelings: "possession" of something, another "toy" ...


            Hungry godfather Fox climbed into the garden;
            In it the grapes of the brush were held.
            At the cinque, eyes and teeth were inflamed;
            And the brushes are lush, like sapphires, burning;
            Only trouble, they hang high:
            Wherever she goes to them,
            Though he sees the eye,
            Yes, tooth noumet.

            Having made it through the whole hour,
            She went and said annoyed: "Well then!
            At a glance, he is good,
            Yes, green - no mature berries:
            Immediately you will nag off. "

            laughing laughing laughing
            1. Monster_Fat
              Monster_Fat 24 May 2014 16: 22
              +2
              Well I say, "life is good." True?
            2. I am
              I am 24 May 2014 23: 43
              0
              oh oh what do we know !!!!!! The toy is both expensive and economically disadvantageous. Yes, it is status, but in order to change them you still need to be hunchbacked either by yourself or people. And public transport is a very convenient and not expensive thing ........ Yes, and Soviet cars worked for 20-30 years, and modern ones ????? Well, remove the battery from your tricked-out foreign car, and then shove it back ??? start up ??? Or will you have to drag the service into the computer and drive the code ???? This is the answer !!!! Researches !!!
              1. Denis
                Denis 25 May 2014 01: 26
                +1
                Quote: I am
                public transport is a very convenient and not expensive thing

                Stasia, you are categorical!
                25 + 27 + 25 one way as if ...
                Quote: I am
                will have to drag on the service and drive the code into the computer

                but to such a thing, the truth is selfishly glad
                contact!
                1. I am
                  I am 26 May 2014 16: 36
                  0
                  Quote: Denis
                  25 + 27 + 25 one way as if.

                  Well, here, a bit too much, we have less in Saratov.

                  Quote: Denis
                  but to such a thing, the truth is selfishly glad

                  Yeah, yeah, only my machine doesn’t have a computer, and I take off the battery for the winter and put it back in the spring (but I don’t have winter tires))))) and thanks)))))))))
              2. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 25 May 2014 07: 53
                -1
                Quote: I am
                oh oh what do we know !!!!!! The toy is both expensive and economically disadvantageous. Yes, it is status, but in order to change them you still need to be hunchbacked either by yourself or people. And public transport is a very convenient and not expensive thing ........ Yes, and Soviet cars worked for 20-30 years, and modern ones ????? Well, remove the battery from your tricked-out foreign car, and then shove it back ??? start up ??? Or will you have to drag the service into the computer and drive the code ???? This is the answer !!!! Researches !!!

                Back to the caves! wassat There everyone was exactly equal - no one had nichrome and everything was super-efficient. Walnut + stick = 100% Efficiency, GDP, and TD, laughing Several generations wore one skin, and a stone ax could last a lifetime wassat
        2. Professor
          Professor 24 May 2014 12: 40
          +4
          Quote: 2Log
          Developed public transport made it easy and quick to travel to any part of the city

          Since then, public transport has developed even more and there are fewer people in the country, but there are traffic jams on the roads.

          Quote: 2Log
          So what will you gain?

          In the choice, I want the subway, I want on my own. And before there was no choice.
        3. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 24 May 2014 13: 35
          -1
          Quote: 2Log
          Developed public transport made it easy and fast to travel to any part of the city ...

          Thank you, I had enough of it in childhood, I went to school, I didn’t get without bruises and bruises. negative


          I still prefer like this: bully

      2. shuhartred
        shuhartred 24 May 2014 12: 33
        -2
        The bottom photo is much better.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 24 May 2014 13: 40
          -3
          Quote: shuhartred
          The bottom photo is much better.

          Better yet laughing


          There is no limit to perfection laughing
          1. shuhartred
            shuhartred 25 May 2014 19: 19
            0
            Photo does not open.
      3. saag
        saag 24 May 2014 15: 07
        -3
        and on the top photo there are most of the "come in large numbers", send them to the regions and the status quo will come, so the illusion takes place :-)
        1. shuhartred
          shuhartred 25 May 2014 19: 19
          +1
          Chet, I did not understand. It seems that they expressed different opinions, but they huddled on the minuses. Baba yaga against?
      4. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 24 May 2014 21: 12
        0
        So, after all, our budget is kept on oil, gas, gasoline, and so many cars have divorced.
  11. Fin
    Fin 24 May 2014 09: 42
    +8
    The only thing that did not reach Stalin's hands was the education of a worthy successor. So they got a maize who laid the foundation for collapse.
    1. erased
      erased 24 May 2014 10: 23
      +13
      Stalin trained a successor. He prepared a worthy leader, who passed the way from the First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Georgian SSR, the head of the NKVD, the Deputy Supreme Commander, the curator of the main and most important industries, the author of the "Atomic Project". This man was supposed to become a real leader, but behind the back of a relatively reliable, but weak leader, Malenkov. For twice in a row, Georgians could not rule a country where the majority of the population is Russian. Just in fact.
      Khrushchev killed this successor of the clique during the storming of the house, and then imitated the arrest and the court and everything else.
      After the assassination of Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria and the accession of the party gang of Khrushchev, the USSR turned from the path of development to the winding path of decomposition. Which happened 38 years later.
      1. saag
        saag 24 May 2014 15: 09
        -3
        A worthy successor is a worthy fate.
      2. IS-80
        IS-80 24 May 2014 17: 51
        +2
        Quote: erased
        For the Georgians could not rule the country where the majority of the population is Russian.


        Why is this all of a sudden? The people that organized the demonstrations with the demand - "Down with the Georgians from power"?
    2. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 13: 07
      +1
      Quote: Fin
      The only thing that did not reach Stalin's hands was the education of a worthy successor. So they got a maize who laid the foundation for collapse.

      And the kings do not bother about it at all. Probably think. that they will live forever.
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 24 May 2014 17: 34
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        And the kings do not bother about it at all. Probably think. that they will live forever.

        You can immediately see a person who has rich experience in managing the state. And apparently not one. laughing
    3. Turkir
      Turkir 24 May 2014 20: 57
      +1
      Ukrainian corncob!
  12. shurup
    shurup 24 May 2014 10: 13
    +16
    There is nothing in stores, but everyone has refrigerators.
    What is the shortage and lack of goods? And everyone has refrigerators and even cellars.
    Come into any house as a guest and you can barely get up from the table, and in the West they will treat you with a couple of salted crackers in lettuce leaves and splash on your little finger, adding to the top with water and ice.
    So who was in short supply? In the USSR - only among loafers, and in the West - brilliantly organized.
    And the USSR was ruined by Western envy and now not fading.
  13. Free wind
    Free wind 24 May 2014 10: 14
    +9
    You can tell the reasons for the deficit. But here it is absolutely impossible to understand. Okay, you can understand the shortage of food, but where did the detergent go? Chemical plants were closed due to overstocking of all areas with washing powder! True, one business company on TV recently said that they deliberately boycotted the supply of wagons, bringing a bright future to the future. There was no gasoline at gas stations !!! Where could he go? If it’s possible to litter the population’s brain with food, like damned collective farmers drank it all, farmers are needed, how can one explain the lack of gasoline? One explanation, betrayal.
  14. Makarych
    Makarych 24 May 2014 11: 28
    +4
    Breaking spears about the advantages and disadvantages of the Soviet system can be infinitely long. Everyone will prove what he wants to prove. Disadvantages - a huge number, no less advantages. But the truth, as always, will be in the middle.
  15. chenia
    chenia 24 May 2014 11: 30
    +11
    Quote: Professor
    The scoop ended and the deficit ended.


    Quote: And Us Rat
    My grandfather, after the Second World War, worked as a workshop foreman until retirement - and I observed the following picture all the years of work: 40% plowed for everyone, and 60% plumped or slept at work, and rightly so


    The scoop has ended, the lib \ r \ astia and 75 ml have come. the man has disappeared.

    In those years, dairy and fish products (naturally not pink salmon, sturgeon and sprats) were in bulk - milk, kefir, fermented baked milk - all extremely cheap. Sour cream is heavier.

    Meat in bulk. Gentlemen, marketers, why the hell didn’t you buy it at the bazaar for 3-3,5 r, but you tried to get it at the state store for 1,8 –2,2 r. After all, the seller would have kissed you at the bazaar and would have helped you out. And there was once no shortage. Sausages in a cooperative in bulk.

    One should not ask his grandfather, but work himself at that time. What he said was true, but the category of workers always received twice as much and had the opportunity for career growth, definitely. And who received 120 r from that and the demand is small, but they didn’t.
    Consumer goods - horseradish. Here it was necessary to transfer to the cooperative workshops (it was not bad to destroy the artel Khrushchov).
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 May 2014 12: 52
      +2
      Quote: chenia
      The scoop has ended, the lib \ r \ astia and 75 ml have come. the man has disappeared.

      No fairy tales. One of my grandfather had four sons, the other five daughters. None of my dads and aunts had more than two children. And this is all under the Soviet regime. Fertility fell long before Perestroika. Urbanization however.

      Quote: chenia
      Meat in bulk. Gentlemen, marketers, why the hell didn’t you buy it at the bazaar for 3-3,5 r, but you tried to get it at the state store for 1,8 –2,2 r.

      This is the salary of an engineer in 120 p?
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 24 May 2014 17: 54
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        No fairy tales. One of my grandfather had four sons, the other five daughters. None of my dads and aunts had more than two children. And this is all under the Soviet regime. Fertility fell long before Perestroika. Urbanization however.


        This is so, but a serious deterioration of the economic situation in our country in the 90s hit the demography hard.
        1. Professor
          Professor 24 May 2014 20: 09
          +3
          Quote: IS-80
          This is so, but a serious deterioration of the economic situation in our country in the 90s hit the demography hard.

          no doubt, but urbanization hit no less. Won in Germany, the standard of living is prohibitive, but they do not want to multiply. The same garbage in Israel, the better life becomes with local Arabs, the less they give birth to children.
    2. atalef
      atalef 24 May 2014 13: 12
      -2
      Quote: chenia
      In those years, dairy and fish products (naturally not pink salmon, sturgeon and sprats) were in bulk - milk, kefir, fermented baked milk - all extremely cheap. Sour cream is heavier.

      belay what city are you talking about?

      Quote: chenia
      Meat in bulk. Gentlemen, marketers, why the hell didn’t you buy it at the bazaar for 3-3,5 r, but you tried to get it at the state store for 1,8 –2,2 r. After all, the seller would have kissed you at the bazaar and would have helped you out. And there was once no shortage. Sausages in a cooperative in bulk.

      Have we lived in different countries?
      Kalinin .Vologda. Pskov. The Novgorod region is a hungry land (this is what I know) In Belarus, 9 Gomel was easier) The Leningrad Region is better than Kalinin - but there has never been such an abundance.
      We went to the Baltic states 9 for dairy 0 In St. Petersburg it was easier, but with queues.
      Nowhere is free and heaps were not.
      And in villages and areas - the desert.
      Astrakhan (1985) - in stores with a rolling ball. only market.
      Gantsevichi (Brest region) - 1987 - in stores is empty. Dining room Special electrical installation - people poisoned dozens.
      1. saag
        saag 24 May 2014 15: 10
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        Astrakhan (1985) - in stores with a rolling ball. only market.

        I lived there at that time, no exaggeration
        1. I am
          I am 24 May 2014 23: 46
          0
          And in Saratov there were no problems with fish !!!!! And now all the imported .......... the usual one that you can weld and almost no ....
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 24 May 2014 23: 53
            +1
            And where did the fish go? I remember that it was possible to buy anything on the Saratov indoor market, for sure, a river.
    3. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 24 May 2014 14: 04
      -7
      Quote: chenia
      Meat in bulk. Gentlemen, marketers, why the hell didn’t you buy it at the bazaar for 3-3,5 r, but you tried to get it at the state store for 1,8 –2,2 r.

      Because my parents of engineers had such a salary that it’s good if they just had enough to eat after rent for a one-room apartment (my mother refused to give birth in a communal apartment that looked more like a barn for cattle), and they were refused at all in the line for the apartment (5- that column in the passport), well at least grandfathers and grandmothers helped the world not to go.

      Quote: chenia
      One should not ask his grandfather, but work himself at that time. What he said is true, but the category of workers has always received twice as much and had the opportunity for career growth, definitely. And who received 120 r from that and the demand is small - but they didn’t.

      What does "low demand" mean ?! fool Pull on the budget of a healthy son of a drunk, and even pay him 120 rubles per month? For what?!!! belay For the fact of his eternally booming existence ?? !!fool
      Truly a paradise for the lazy cattle.fool
      "What the hell am I going to work, even for a double salary, if you can eat vodka, do nichrome and still pay for it" request
      It is not surprising that the Soviet economy collapsed, and thank God that it is not viable. negative
      1. Alexey M
        Alexey M 24 May 2014 15: 52
        +8
        Did you change the flag for this?
        The city of Gorky. I grew up without a father, mother, my elder sister helped relatives. I didn’t feel hungry, I grew up, I learned. That I wouldn’t starve like that. It was under Gorbachev that the money started and there was no money and there were millions of prices.
        But then the sausage was fried in the pan, and not melted. I drank milk instead of water, from the refrigerator with rye in the bite. School lunches in the extension of 6 r cost, school fare 1,50. adult 3r. About the sanatorium camps I am generally silent.
        And not many received salaries in 120 rubles, basically they were much higher both in 200 and 300 rubles. And your parents simply did not want to earn.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 24 May 2014 16: 38
          -2
          Quote: Alexey M
          Did you change the flag for this?

          No, that’s not why, the flag was changed for me, I was still small then, but I never regretted it, I grew up here and here is my homeland.

          Quote: Alexey M
          ... And your parents just did not want to earn.

          Did you mean stealing like everyone else? Father, engineer, construction worker, zp 110r, mother, engineer, furniture maker, zp 90r, what did they earn from? To stand in the market after work? And why then studied asked?
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 24 May 2014 18: 12
            +3
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Did you mean stealing like everyone else? Father, engineer, construction worker, zp 110r, mother, engineer, furniture maker, zp 90r, what did they earn from? To stand in the market after work? And why then studied asked?


            So, according to your logic, it turns out that they are losers and so on in the text.
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 25 May 2014 06: 14
              -1
              Quote: IS-80
              So, according to your logic, it turns out that they are losers and so on in the text.

              No, they are people whom the system did not allow to realize themselves and achieve success (without breaking the law), in 1989 my father founded a construction cooperative (one of the first), and before leaving, he earned money for a house and a car in a year, but left because they started to squeeze everything out. bandits in collusion with the cops and the city administration. Here, by the way, my father founded an engineering firm and also settled down very well. So "according to my logic" the system was unfair and flawed.
              1. IS-80
                IS-80 25 May 2014 12: 07
                0
                Quote: And Us Rat
                No, they are people whom the system did not allow to realize themselves and achieve success (without breaking the law), in 1989 my father founded a construction cooperative (one of the first), and before leaving, he earned money for a house and a car in a year, but left because they started to squeeze everything out. bandits in collusion with the cops and the city administration. Here, by the way, my father founded an engineering firm and also settled down very well. So "according to my logic" the system was unfair and flawed.


                I'm sorry it happened to your parents. I am not for egalitarianism and not for all those shortcomings that were inherent in the especially late USSR, but do not confuse socialism with its unsuccessful implementation.
          2. pv1005
            pv1005 24 May 2014 18: 31
            +3
            you already decide that you all remember it was small. In general, if you like your current state so much that you do not regret it, then what kind of moralizing do you have for us. Live in peace.
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          4. I am
            I am 24 May 2014 23: 47
            +1
            MOTHERLAND - DO NOT COLLAPSE !!!!!!!
  16. parus2nik
    parus2nik 24 May 2014 12: 48
    +8
    There is nothing to comment .. Everything is largely true .. Such a fact, the first TV was released, not at a state plant but as an artel .. in the Stalin era .. I have a paternal grandfather, commanded a shoe artel .. sewed such shoes .. to him the village came from regional centers .. And Mikitka .. bastard ...
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  18. Checks
    Checks 24 May 2014 14: 57
    +8
    [quote = And Us Rat] [quote = Check]
    This is more a problem of a single society, rather than an idea.
    No matter how hard you try, you won’t grow strawberries in the sand, except perhaps a cactus.
    For some reason, the same Germans or Japanese all work fine without mass theft, scam ....
    "What to spin when finished passion"
    "There are enough fools for our age"
    "If you don't ... you won't live."
    "One with a bipod, seven with a spoon"
    Etc. etc. - Or again the machinations of the imperialists? laughing
    [/ Quote]
    In my opinion, you contradict yourself. On the one hand, you are hinting at the low labor productivity of the Russian people. On the other hand, in one of your posts, write about work at a construction site for 12-14 hours in the rain and in the forty-degree heat. As a result, either you, like all Russian people, sat in the shadows according to the principle "work is not a wolf ...", or you still plowed. Then all the talk about our laziness is a stereotype. I am more willing to believe the second option. First, the labor achievements of the Soviet people are evidence that we know how to work unlike others. Secondly, our natural and climatic conditions, this is not the climate of Japan and Germany, where frosts of -30 degrees are a national disaster. And thirdly, hostile external forces are constantly acting against us, doing everything to ruin us. As for corruption, it is everywhere. The bunch of politicians and industrialists in the United States is known to the whole world ...
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 24 May 2014 16: 40
      0
      Quote: Check
      In my opinion, you contradict yourself. On the one hand, you are hinting at the low labor productivity of the Russian people. On the other hand, in one of your posts, write about work at a construction site for 12-14 hours in the rain and in the forty-degree heat. As a result, either you, like all Russian people, sat in the shadows according to the principle "work is not a wolf ...", or you still plowed.

      Have you looked at my flag at all? laughing

      Quote: Check
      Secondly, our climatic conditions, this is not the climate of Japan and Germany, where -30 degrees below zero is a national disaster. And thirdly, hostile external forces are constantly acting against us, doing everything to ruin us.

      Yeah, and here we are like paradise wassat and neighbors are a model of peace. laughing And it is not strange, for us this is not an excuse. belay

      Quote: Check
      And about corruption, it is everywhere. A bunch of politicians and industrialists in the United States is known around the world ...

      Does your geography end in Russia and the USA? In the world another 254 countries by the way.lol
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 24 May 2014 18: 18
        +1
        Quote: And Us Rat
        And it is not strange, for us this is not an excuse.

        Yes, but such neighbors do not contribute too much to your development. And do you not know what a severe blow our country dealt the Second World War.
      2. Checks
        Checks 24 May 2014 19: 02
        +1
        Bah, the Promised Land ... But what, we have never had a Jewish Autonomous Oblast in the forefront of production ?! And they love to take bribes in Birobidzhan ... Probably quite Russified wassat
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 25 May 2014 08: 11
          0
          Quote: Check
          Bah, the Promised Land ... But what, has the Jewish Autonomous Region never been in the forefront of production ?!

          At the peak of Jewish population in 1939, in EA, Jews were 16,2% of the total population, in 1958 - 8,8%, in 1970 - 6,6%, etc. The Jews were resettled there by force, but "you can't be nice by force" so they fled from there after Stalin's death, as if from prison.

          Quote: Check
          And they love to take bribes in Birobidzhan ... Probably quite Russified wassat

          Today, Jews make up less than 1% of the population of the region (1628 people) lol This is the question of who takes the bribes there.
      3. IS-80
        IS-80 25 May 2014 12: 48
        +1
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Have you looked at my flag at all?


        I see Jerusalem and Haifa, I see Judea,
        this is the Russian side, this is my homeland. laughing good
  19. snow779
    snow779 24 May 2014 15: 24
    +3
    A couple of years ago I talked with a man who guarded a landfill near Moscow in the nineties. They guarded butter and cheese, which they periodically brought and buried.
  20. chenia
    chenia 24 May 2014 15: 35
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    No fairy tales. One of my grandfather had four sons, the other five daughters. None of my dads and aunts had more than two children.



    I am aware, but this has been happening since the mid-fifties (I’m 55 p. And rare when my friends had more than 2 children in their family.). At the same time, the total increase over 10 years in the USSR was -25-30 million (the relative increase fell, but the absolute remained almost unchanged).

    Therefore, in 2000 there should be 312-315 million in the Union (this is in terms of growth rates of 80-86 years). And now (without liber \ as \ tii) we should be about 350 million, and there are 280 ml. (all countries included in the USSR).

    Quote: atalef
    what city are you talking about?


    Quote: atalef
    Have we lived in different countries?


    Well, if you look for kosher, then yes.

    Geography - Ukraine, the Caucasus - Buinaksk-Dagestan, Transcaucasia, Kursk region, Kuibyshev, Belarus, Central Asia - Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan. Uzbekistan, (well, the capitals of Moscow, Kiev, St. Petersburg - there were no problems at all).
    You were not lucky, you didn’t attack that — and served on business trips, and studied, and even a dad officer dragged me through the alliance and Hungary and Germany.
    You take into account the mass of departmental canteens and shops where you can buy products.

    And in milk, it seems that you were too young and fell into the "heyday" of perestroika, then it’s understandable. I’ll tell you an interesting event, before Khrushchov’s removal, it was very bad, (there were queues for black and gray bread, white — the father was a ulcer — received in a specialized store). And suddenly ALL appeared. So that in perestroika there was an artificial deficit.

    Quote: And Us Rat
    Because my parents of engineers had such a salary that it’s good if they just had enough to eat after rent for a one-room apartment (my mother refused to give birth in a communal apartment that looked more like a barn for cattle), and they were refused at all in the line for the apartment (5- that column in the passport)


    120 rub. the engineer’s, only at the beginning, and if he’s worth something, they immediately notice him and throw him into the business. And this inclusion in different groups - maintenance of complex equipment + (40 - 80)%, on an important site up to 50%, areas with heavy working conditions, etc. the introduction of new technology (super cool premium, the process is endless.) rationalization awards. Well, the general ones are quarterly, annual bonus, victory in social competition for a banner, 13 salaries, 14 salaries (length of service at this enterprise. So, from 200 to 400 rubles, if a person with a head is well off.

    And so, if you don’t hit the speed bump on the grab, then 120 is guaranteed (and you’ll get general bonuses). In our family, women received it (mother, wife). why bother them. and seniority earned.

    And about 5 points and lines, well, no need to fuck. Whatever they put, it could not be. I studied and served with the Jews and did not observe any particular pressure, and I can’t imagine what was supposed to be, and suddenly not to give it.
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 May 2014 15: 54
      +1
      Quote: chenia
      I am aware, but this has been happening since the mid-fifties (I’m 55 p. And rare when my friends had more than 2 children in their family.). At the same time, the total increase over 10 years in the USSR was -25-30 million (the relative increase fell, but the absolute remained almost unchanged).

      Where does the increase come from if each family has a maximum of 2 children, and ~ 2.3 is needed to maintain the population. That's right, due to Central Asia and the Caucasus.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 24 May 2014 16: 09
        0
        Quote: Professor
        That's right, due to Central Asia and the Caucasus.

        Before whistling, look at the birth chart. In some areas, the birth rate is higher than in the Caucasus. Now only Ingushetia has a high birth rate, Chechnya and Dagestan are at an average level, with the steel part of Russia ...
        1. Professor
          Professor 24 May 2014 16: 41
          0
          Quote: Russ69
          Before whistling, look at the birth chart. In some areas, the birth rate is higher than in the Caucasus. Now only Ingushetia has a high birth rate, Chechnya and Dagestan are at an average level, with the steel part of Russia ...

          Before you get into a conversation with adults, take an interest in the topic of conversation.
          1. Russ69
            Russ69 24 May 2014 16: 48
            +4
            Quote: Professor
            in adult conversation

            Do not be smart about your adulthood, not knowing the interlocutor. For the future...
  21. Free wind
    Free wind 24 May 2014 15: 39
    +9
    Sorry. but ,,, in Astrakhan in stores, in 1982-1986, live fish was sold in grocery stores: silver carp, grass carp, mirror carp, half-mirror. scaly, swim in aquariums, please choose, I don’t know the price, I was not interested, the fish always, we had students, we had our own. ducklings were always on sale in stores, the price seems to be 80 kopecks kg. Hens were more expensive, I remember 1.30r, but we preferred ducks. Sausage, we are students, bought only liveried 40 kopecks a kilo. In order to understand what her taste is, go to a restaurant with English or rather Scottish cuisine, order haggis, only liverwurst sausage is tastier. of household goods, luxury goods, there were also a lot. He admired amber chess in jewelry. I came from a collective farm, with a detachment system, a lot of money, I wanted a granny to buy a silver brooch as a gift. asked the price ..... 700 rubles .... it turned out to be platinum with emerald. I bought a triple for Jupiter. I was 16 years old. And the locals on the collective farms worked on the harvest. We even staged a strike. when they gave us a very bad tomato field. Representatives even came from the region to settle the conflict. Swearing for a long time, imagine 15-16 year old boys, and representatives of the CPSU regional committee. BUT they listened to us and helped.
    1. mackonya
      mackonya 24 May 2014 16: 22
      +2
      Yes, it was great, I didn't see it, but my parents told me, and after watching the film "Prize", "We, the undersigned" (old Soviet films) I realized that I had missed the "Golden Decade".
    2. I am
      I am 24 May 2014 23: 49
      0
      Yes, exactly, it is very similar to Saratov ........ there are differences, but we are higher in the Volga, and we have SARAT REFRIGERATORS sold in several stores, come in and take it.
  22. mackonya
    mackonya 24 May 2014 16: 17
    0
    I’ll add that the USSR helped many countries, often for free. Humanitarian aid, financial assistance, the provision of technical and military specialists, even technology was provided - of course to those countries where they steadily followed the course of socialism, but what is wrong with socialism, many try to convince me, but I can not find anything wrong with socialism.
  23. Cpa
    Cpa 24 May 2014 16: 31
    0
    If everything was so bad in the union, how did the Soviet Union pay Poland’s foreign debt of 80 billion dollars? 1991 collected one and a half hundred million tons of grain that was nowhere to store, while buying grain abroad. Maybe, finally, when the country was able to feed the whole Europe, self-financing (the forerunner of a market economy) appeared and interested officials began to push Bush's legs and so on ... like pork now. Whoever asked who worked at food enterprises was transported to Moscow. Every village had STF and MTF, but there was no meat? Now only p ins from them, and the meat is, the paradox request Now, in my city, a dairy, two quarters, a 2 bakery, a distillery, a meat factory, an elevator, a permanent magnet factory, an oil machine, a chemical factory, an aircraft factory, a machine tool factory, a brewery, and concrete works are closed, in short, life has become better, the city has simply become a sleeping area.
  24. nnz226
    nnz226 24 May 2014 16: 32
    -1
    I'm tired of tales about flourishing socialism! From personal memories: the case takes place in the city of Rybinsk, Yaroslavl region. a large industrial city with a population of more than 200000 people; 1963-64: once a month a man comes from the housing office and brings "fat" ie. flour coupons for 4 people (our family)! This is with a bald maize - coupons, as in the war. In 1964 he went to school, and the duty was to go to the store for food. Observation of 1964: there are 4 varieties of butter in the store: simple - 3,60 rubles, "Vologda" - 3,80 rubles, salted butter - 3,50 rubles, chocolate - 3,40 rubles. There are 3-4 varieties of cheese, no sausages, no meat. 10 years of schooling pass - 1974 - there is no butter in the store at all! You can forget about sausage and meat. This is Brezhnev's stagnation. About "full refrigerators": train No. 605/606 Rybinsk-Moscow, in winter runs 3 times a week. Then the train arrived at the Savyolovsky railway station in Moscow at about 6 am. No sooner had the train stopped than the passengers jumped out of it and raced to occupy the automatic storage rooms (they stood on the leftmost platform, when viewed, with their backs to the station). Further, a run to the shops and dragging the obtained food into the occupied cells. Muscovites, of course, were outraged by the newcomers. At 10 pm the train left back to Rybinsk, the passengers who arrived in the morning went to the cars, like camels in a trade caravan. He himself studied in Leningrad at LKI, and for every vacation he took home a big bag of food (meat, sausage, butter, cheese, etc., etc.) No wonder there was a joke in those days: "Question: where is the border between socialism and developed socialism (the Suslov-Brezhnev ideological invention)? Answer: along the Moscow Ring Road! And where is the border between developed socialism and communism? Answer: along the Kremlin wall! " Like this. Sausage trains are not from the times of Gorbachev, but from the times of Brezhnev. Well, and under perestroika - coupons for all food. And a joke: "A man comes to a butcher shop, hands out coupons for meat. The seller to him:" Now there is only dog ​​meat - 5th grade! "A man out of despair:" Come on! "He brings home the soup from the meat obtained, some slivers, pieces of skin are floating around. He indignantly brings it all to the store and demands a complaint book. He replied: "Man, were you warned that there is only dog ​​meat of the 5th grade?" - "Yes" - "So dog meat 5th grade comes with the booth! "Here is socialism and" no deficit "....
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 24 May 2014 18: 23
      +3
      Quote: nnz226
      Tales of prosperous socialism are tired!


      It’s very interesting even when under the decaying socialism they were able to restore our country after the Second World War and the first to go into space? laughing
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 24 May 2014 20: 57
        0
        Quote: nnz226
        Well, and when perestroika - coupons for all the food.


        Strong you lie, dear!
        1. I am
          I am 24 May 2014 23: 53
          0
          there were coupons, but without food there was food. people just didn’t understand and grabbed everything - in reserve. This has recently been repeated when in Saratov they dared salt in stores for a week, all !!!! Where the sellers remained pinned and the price tag of 1000 r. put. And what ask ??? BUY !!!!! and after a week the price returned to its previous level, but the OLD generation managed to buy up every ton of salt !!!! This is called herd feeling and economic provocation !!!!
  25. belagor
    belagor 24 May 2014 16: 41
    0
    He found the last 11 years of the life of the USSR.
    The article has not yet said that under Gorbachev the whole country was BUKING.
    Googled it on Wikipedia: about 90-110 bottles of vodka per year for every adult man.
  26. Alexey M
    Alexey M 24 May 2014 17: 06
    +6
    [quote = And Us Rat] [quote = Alexey M] Is that why you changed the checkbox? [/ quote]
    No, that’s not why, the flag was changed for me, I was still small then, but I never regretted it, I grew up here and here is my homeland.

    [quote = Alexey M] ... And your parents just didn't want to earn. [/ quote]
    Did you mean stealing like everyone else? Father, engineer, construction worker, zp 110r, mother, engineer, furniture maker, zp 90r, what did they earn from? To stand in the market after work? And why then studied asked?[/ Quote
    Whatever the builder would not believe without kalym. Garages, cottages, houses, a person who knows how to put the masonry always in price this time and the second builders always got apartments in the houses that they built. Well, the furniture maker always needs furniture repair.
    My mother worked as a puncher at the factory and worked alone to feed her family, plus the pension for the loss of a breadwinner. And this was when I was born in 1976 when I was still a little child. And now I’m sending a child to a camp from 20000 onwards and this is to the region, to the sea really.
    If prices are from indexing and to Soviet salaries, then the salary should be an average of about 200000 rubles. That's what you think communism would be like.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 25 May 2014 08: 21
      0
      Quote: Alexey M
      Whatever the builder would not believe without kalym. Garages, cottages, houses, a person who knows how to put the masonry always in price this time and the second builders always got apartments in the houses that they built. Well, the furniture maker always needs furniture repair.

      Can you read? I tell the ENGINEERS what the masonry and repair of furniture is if they worked with DRAWINGS in the design office. Their workplace was - AT A CALCULATOR AND A DRAWING TABLE. fool

      Quote: Alexey M
      If prices are from index and salaries to Soviet, then the salary should be an average of about 200000 rubles. So estimate how we would live communism.

      Better yet, think how we would live in a fairyland with fairies. wassat (The meaning is the same)
      At this level of technological development, the technical attainability of communism is utopia. Communism is possible only by completely shifting the issue of providing human needs to autonomous and self-renewing robotic systems.
      And the paradox is that capitalism is able to develop such systems faster than socialism (which without competition will lead to "eternal stagnation", like theocracy, for example)
      The emergence of capitalism in the 17-18th century ensured technological progress - do not forget about this.
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 25 May 2014 12: 23
        0
        Quote: And Us Rat
        At this level of technological development, the technical attainability of communism is utopia. Communism is possible only by completely shifting the issue of providing human needs to autonomous and self-renewing robotic systems.
        And the paradox is that capitalism is able to develop such systems faster than socialism (which without competition will lead to "eternal stagnation", like theocracy, for example)
        The emergence of capitalism in the 17-18th century ensured technological progress - do not forget about this.


        Communism is not yet achievable, but socialism is possible.


        Quote: And Us Rat
        But only the elites are afraid of such a scenario as fire, when it is put into practice, they will lose leverage based on the dependence of ordinary people on them ...
        (And also their fellow travelers on interests in the person of religious fundamentalism)

        The world revolution is not a figment of the sick imagination of the old man Marx, but inevitability, a step in the evolution of civilization - imposed by progress. A kind of rebirth from a "doll" into a "butterfly", a high-quality race ...
        The question is how it will go, and what price will have to pay for it ...

        And the main thing ... how will this change a person as a species? Will the volcano of creativity and accomplishments ... or turn humanity into a population of drones dependent on machines?


        It is as if you were scared of these words of yours and are now backtracking. Or maybe the very capitalist who spoke to you .. at 300% there is no such crime that he would not risk, at least under pain of the gallows. sad
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 25 May 2014 16: 50
          0
          Quote: IS-80
          Communism is not yet achievable, but socialism is possible.

          I wouldn’t refuse against communism, I would love to engage in art or invention, not needing anything, and not worrying about providing for my family ...
          And socialism is a shit !!! It reminds me of the tolerant Western education system and your EEG - "If there is no way to make everyone excellent pupils, then let's simplify the program so that even the most obvious rams feel smart" - the same thing, only in economics, and even forcedly.


          Quote: IS-80
          It is as if you were scared of these words of yours and are now backtracking. Or maybe the same capitalist has started talking to you, who doesn’t have such a crime at 300% that he wouldn’t risk, at least under pain of the gallows.

          The answer is higher, but in general I am a technocrat, but I think that economic freedom is the ELEMENTARY HUMAN RIGHT, together with the right to life, the right to free movement, the right to a fair trial and the right to freedom of opinion.

          Socialism is a totalitarian system, and any totalitarianism leads to decline, which history does not tire of teaching people. And by the way, socialism also does not need communism, it will deprive socialism of control over people, and therefore it will never allow it. Communism is a managerial anarchy, because no one is dependent on anyone (except on service technologies, which I remind you must be self-sufficient and self-resetting)
      2. Nikoha.2010
        Nikoha.2010 25 May 2014 16: 04
        +2
        S.A.M. Hello! Well, you hooked your opponents specifically! I, too, minus, I do not care ... Russian freebie is:
        1. Officials take bribes and kickbacks.
        2. Traffic cops bribe.
        3. Banks-rabid interest.
        4. The financial pyramids.
        5. Pirated programs on the Internet.
        6. Hefty dorks in the guard and office boys with painted lips.
        7. Always "hungry" and wild tourists abroad.
        8. We lay asphalt in the winter and in puddles.
        9. Housing and communal services squeezes money is not real.
        10. AvtoVAZ produces wretched cars.
        11. Missiles do not reach orbit.
        12. Plus thugs from enterprises, "hares" in public transport and so on ...
        There is enough oil and gas, but let the grass not grow there. The Russian freebie is multifaceted, and not only Russian, but I live in Russia and I do not like it when they get money for free, our money is not safe!
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 26 May 2014 00: 03
          +2
          Quote: Nikoha.2010
          S.A.M. Hello! Well, you hooked your opponents specifically! I, too, minus, I do not care ... Russian freebie is:
          1. Officials take bribes and kickbacks.
          2. Traffic cops bribe.
          3. Banks-rabid interest.
          4. The financial pyramids.
          5. Pirated programs on the Internet.
          6. Hefty dorks in the guard and office boys with painted lips.
          7. Always "hungry" and wild tourists abroad.
          8. We lay asphalt in the winter and in puddles.
          9. Housing and communal services squeezes money is not real.
          10. AvtoVAZ produces wretched cars.
          11. Missiles do not reach orbit.
          12. Plus thugs from enterprises, "hares" in public transport and so on ...

          And the people here do not understand that it is necessary to treat the root of the disease, and not its symptoms, they found themselves a "miracle panacea" socialism, and they think that if it comes tomorrow, all problems will be solved by themselves, another chase for freebies, they will stick their heads in any yoke - do not strain anyhow.
          Natural ostriches - their heads are in the sand and they don't want to see real problems point-blank, I don't stutter about "solving" at all. They are only looking for someone to poke a finger at, whoever is to blame for their troubles - the capitalists-Zionists-Pokemon-Martians, anyone other than themselves.
          The first trouble is that in 1917 they destroyed and expelled the carriers of culture (the intelligentsia and the aristocracy) and raised the culture (and mentality) of yesterday's slaves and serfs to the rank of state, and they did so well that they still haunt them. "Me-e-e, return us to the stall," and who dares to think otherwise, “Me-e-e but gore him”.
          "You can take a milkmaid out of a collective farm, you can't take a collective farm out of a milkmaid" sad

          Moses drove the Jews through the desert until the last slave who knew the inheritance died, Russia will recover when there are no generations that remember the USSR.
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 26 May 2014 13: 01
            0
            Quote: And Us Rat
            And the people here do not understand that it is necessary to treat the root of the disease, and not its symptoms, they found themselves a "miracle panacea" socialism, and they think that if it comes tomorrow, all problems will be solved by themselves, another chase for freebies, they will stick their heads in any yoke - do not strain anyhow.


            You will not believe it, but for me, socialism is not the kind of social system in which gingerbread sprinkles from the sky, milk rivers flow and you can lie on the stove and do nothing. Socialism will make it possible to more equitably distribute the results of labor, and not to receive everything for nothing. If someone is waiting for free gingerbread and milk rivers, then alas, he will not have them.To each according to his work.

            Quote: And Us Rat
            The first trouble is that in 1917 they destroyed and expelled the carriers of culture (the intelligentsia and the aristocracy) and raised the culture (and mentality) of yesterday's slaves and serfs to the rank of state, and they did so well that they still haunt them. "Me-e-e, return us to the stall," and who dares to think otherwise, “Me-e-e but gore him”.
            "You can take a milkmaid out of a collective farm, you can't take a collective farm out of a milkmaid"


            Who are you with us? laughing I still suspect you belong to the "intelligentsia and aristocracy." Exiled and destroyed in 1917 laughing The intelligentsia and the aristocracy, you know, can be different. Including the one about which grandfather Lenin sharply, but on the other hand, the more I live, the more I am convinced that it is true, I put it.

            Quote: And Us Rat
            Moses drove the Jews through the desert until the last slave who knew the inheritance died, Russia will recover when there are no generations that remember the USSR.


            Is it written in the Book of Exodus? Or is it speculation crafty.
            So now you have once again issued a standard set of false notions of liberals. In which already besides them, and these pathetic, embittered by Russia, Russians, the USSR and the entire Soviet people, there are not so many people, no one already believes. For they lied incredibly and were caught on lies many times already. Yes, here a lot of articles have already been on this topic, but to believe that everything was bad and to be offended and underestimated is probably more interesting to someone than to take an objective look at certain things. This does not mean that everything was always good in the USSR, but there was no solid black line in history either. And grief will be for all mankind if it forgets about the USSR.
  27. Signaller
    Signaller 24 May 2014 17: 22
    +3
    Well, so that the younger generation could understand what deficit
  28. trenkkvaz
    trenkkvaz 24 May 2014 17: 24
    +1
    "Today's abundance is just an illusion (and illusions are just inherent in capitalism with its market economy), since most of the goods, due to their high prices, are simply inaccessible to most of the population."
    And the lines to the supermarket checkout, where people with full carts stand, is that also an illusion? Immediately ahead of the stupid objection, I will say that I am not from Moscow and not from the big city.

    I well remember the USSR. It was. And no pathos articles will not change my mind!
    The people then did not starve, they say? Was the calorie intake high? So in prison people also do not starve and calorie level.
    But any of you are ready to exchange their ration for the usual normal diet, huh?
    When I was in the army, they also fed well there.
    But I will never agree to eat at home like that! Does the author of the article even know about such a thing as food quality?
    What an irresistible desire among the Communists to drive everyone into a stall?

    The remark about competitive industry in the USSR made laugh especially smile
    In the USSR, only the defense industry and related industries were competitive.
    I remember the shelves in stores were littered with "competitive" galoshes and "goodbye youth" shoes that no one bought. But people were choking in queues for imported decent shoes.

    Now Russia needs a symbiosis - a market for the main economy and a planned way of life in certain strategic areas.
    1. I am
      I am 24 May 2014 23: 58
      -2
      Today's wandering - is harmful to health, about the terms of operation, in general I am silent for half a season enough. But in the USSR there were normal shoes, but what are bad voices ?? Now in the fall, all young people go to them, only in Chinese - in the colorized ones !!!!! So what's the difference ????
      1. I am
        I am 25 May 2014 11: 21
        -1
        well set minus, oh how scary
        1. I am
          I am 26 May 2014 10: 16
          -1
          Discuss their past can only those who are not afraid to live in the GOV ** in the future ..... not surprised by the minuses, such fragile always come across)))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))))))))))) But life will put everything in its place !!!!!!!!
  29. nvv
    nvv 24 May 2014 17: 54
    +4
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Bongo
    Today's abundance is just an illusion (and illusions are just inherent in capitalism with its market economy), since most of the goods, due to their high price, are simply inaccessible to most of the population.

    When you stand in a traffic jam, the thought immediately comes to mind that the personal car is not available to the masses of working people, and this despite the fact that there are more roads and a smaller population. Illusion, 100% illusion.

    Agree that the slave is a useless worker. What to do? Give him land and set him free? But the slave may escape. And let us give him the illusion of freedom. And we will milk through the loan interest. And in order to strengthen the result, we will instill in him consumerism. The goal is achieved. A louse sits on the neck of a slave drinks blood and yells - we plowed !! And I like the bottom picture. Why? The road is free and people are cleaner.
    1. andj61
      andj61 24 May 2014 18: 51
      +1
      Great view on Kalininsky Prospekt! Only, even in Soviet times, there were more cars there, in my opinion. Maybe it's an early morning?
  30. konvalval
    konvalval 24 May 2014 18: 05
    +4
    And the respected author did not say in the article how liberals exported quality products to landfills to create an artificial shortage.
  31. chenia
    chenia 24 May 2014 18: 38
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Where does the increase come from if each family has a maximum of 2 children, and ~ 2.3 is needed to maintain the population. That's right, due to Central Asia and the Caucasus.


    There is one caveat, on average 2 children per family is an urban family.

    For example, take Ukraine. In Ukraine, in Soviet times, an increase over 10 years of -2,5 million (over the last two decades of the existence of the USSR) can be taken as the average increase in the Slavic population - we come from Central Asia with miserable people, and there are not many gypsies.
    So, the growth in the Union of Slavs (based on the proportion) in those years was -10-12 million for 10 years.

    I continue Ukraine - in 1991 - 52 million. Given the increase, it would now be 58 million, and there are 45 (and this is taking into account the Crimea). Losses - 13 million. Ukraine (without wars, this is now a bitch), we take it as the average, i.e. 1/6 of the USSR (a little more), and receives demographic losses in the LED version as for the USSR - about 80 million. And now your arguments.
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 May 2014 20: 26
      +3
      Quote: chenia
      And now your arguments.

      My grandmother in Ukraine lived in a village and worked as a teacher all her life. Every summer spent there. In the 80s already in the village there were no more than 2 children in the family, and indeed the people felled from villages to the city as best they could. How many empty farms cost.
  32. Nikolay74
    Nikolay74 24 May 2014 18: 47
    0
    I remember in my childhood I brought Greek olive oil in a 200l barrel to the store, the manager said that the oil would be sold the next day. People in anticipation began to sign up in line. And at night the shed where the oil was stored suddenly burned out. Allegedly from the KZ, although the barn was not electrified. In short, they threw people. The police found nothing and no one. In general, they threw people. Such a sad story.
  33. Msta-s
    Msta-s 24 May 2014 18: 58
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Pancake . I can offer you (the end of the 70s, Nelidovo, Kalinin region)
    The store is exclusively gray pasta. milk. bread and canned seaweed. vodka and wine. Margarine - rarely. Eggs - 2 times a week. from meat - food bone. (and this is 200 km from Moscow 0 If my mother didn’t go by train to Moscow, we wouldn’t know what it is

    Camarade! I was born in the USSR 1971. I spent my childhood in Western Siberia. During the Soviet era, I had no problems with food. The so-called "deficit" could be obtained. And they lived warmly and happily.
    1. tasha
      tasha 26 May 2014 17: 02
      0
      Write to the younger generation in more detail what it means to get it.
  34. Captain45
    Captain45 24 May 2014 19: 46
    +4
    Quote: Professor
    When you stand in a traffic jam, the thought immediately comes to mind that the personal car is not available to the masses of working people, and this despite the fact that there are more roads and a smaller population. Illusion, 100% illusion.

    Upr.professor, you are missing one small, but very important point: during the time of the USSR, a citizen bought a car for the money earned or saved, and after buying a car, he did not owe any bank or Jewish moneylender. And now, 70 percent of those presented in the photo cars bought on credit. and it is necessary to pay interest, and even pay interest, which is debt bondage. And now try the excitement, as in 70-80x to the head of the shop or the master in the party, factory, trade union and other organizations, they will offer to go outside the gate, and you have cre donates for an auto. mortgage for an apartment for a son-daughter, so be silent in a rag, otherwise the bank and cowards will not leave. So who after this is the one who used to be called a proud word-worker? Correct-slave is wordless. And that's because they bowed to the loan interest and elevated it to a fetish. And who came up with the loan interest? Tell or guess yourself?
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 May 2014 20: 32
      +3
      Quote: Captain45
      nor to a Jewish moneylender.

      Well kudazh without evrevv? That would not be discussed immediately to them. lol

      .And who came up with the loan interest? Tell or guess yourself?

      I am sure that say that the Jews and I am sure that you will be mistaken.
      1. nvv
        nvv 24 May 2014 21: 26
        +1
        Professor, listen to the man who opened my eyes to what is happening in the world. 1-27-32. You kapets. The roof of knowledge has worn out. And you swallow your tongue after that.
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  35. Russian German65
    Russian German65 24 May 2014 20: 01
    +1
    The article is good and informative ....... he was born in 1965 ... there was a shortage ... but there was a lot of bread and cheap ...... and the quality of the products is at the highest level ...... now there is no shortage of products .... it’s hard to name only products ......... rather poison ... even tobacco has become of terrible quality
  36. nvv
    nvv 24 May 2014 20: 21
    0
    Quote: mazhnikof.Niko
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Today I am the owner of a small construction company, I have 8 workers, I created it myself from scratch, working for 12-14 hours a day for several years, and I EARNED with my own hands, my right to live in abundance without dusty work (and hang around in not at the machine during working hours), and in the coffin I saw communism and everything connected with it.

    For many years (under Soviet power) I remember there was a joke:
    - lies on the beach a black African.
    -the American capitalist passes by
    - why are you lying around, would take a bunch of bananas, would sell to the bazaar
    What for?
    - buy some banana bushes
    - what for?
    - sell, buy a plantation
    -what for? asks african
    - well, you'll lie by the sea and do nothing
    “So I don't do anything.” - The African answered and went swimming!
    Why did you bother at a construction site?
    What to "hang around" in the VO?
    How incompetently lived half a life!
    Well, how do you not understand? Nostalgia in a man. And she doesn’t want to admit mistakes, due to the lack of a human psyche.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 May 2014 00: 11
      +2
      Quote: nvv
      Well, how do you not understand? Nostalgia in a man. And she doesn’t want to admit mistakes, due to the lack of a human psyche.

      Not nostalgia, but sadness, as an experience for a sick relative.
      And I just have a HUMAN psyche, me in the stall (like some) "by the arm master General Secretary "does not pull, my herd instinct is atrophied, I prefer to be my own master. tongue
  37. 3vs
    3vs 24 May 2014 20: 25
    +2
    You read the posts and the tear directly wraps around the time that has gone into history.
    Perhaps this is nastalgia for a bygone childhood, youth ...
    Not everything was so bad in our once united country.
    It is gratifying to see that Russia and Ukraine and Belarus and Kazakhstan take part in the discussions,
    States, Israel ...
    So not only do I have such nastalgia. smile

    Nikolai Starikov is a relatively young man, his articles are interesting,
    but not deep from a professional point of view, a lot of some superficial.

    The planned economy in the form of the USSR, I think, is a thing of the past.
    Some global projects, defense industry, should be planned.
    What we lack is the protection of private initiative.
    A successful entrepreneur cannot be sure that his business will not be squeezed out.
    The state needs to learn how to protect its fellow citizens, who not only buy and sell,
    but they know how to work with their own head and with their own hands.
    And protect your own in foreign markets.
  38. Captain45
    Captain45 24 May 2014 20: 41
    +3
    The article touched the following: my parents were first virgin lands, my dad after the army, my mother went to explore virgin lands after college. There they met, got married, both were awarded the medal "For the development of virgin and fallow lands" so that what I will say I heard from them personally: the first the year was difficult, they lived in tents, trailers, worked, dad plowed a tractor, mom in the first-aid post, it was hard, but as mom says, the infirmary did not close, although there were a lot of recruits, including under the amnesty, they drank, sometimes fought , but the drugs lay openly in the closet and not a single ampoule was lost. In the second year, the harvest was fenced, but due to the fact that there were few combines, about a third remained under the snow, but there was a lot of what was collected, but there was nowhere to export. there were no roads, no elevators, the bread lay in heaps on the currents, it was burning. The director of the state farm Zadremailov, was like that in the Adamovsky district of the Orenburg region. houses, as much as possible. the next year they brought in cattle, they took them home for fattening, as my mother says, we had two cows, pigs, chickens. They fed them again with the bread that they could not take out, and the meat and milk were handed over to the state farm, and after a couple of years as the bald ear imposed taxes, and how many livestock can be kept in one farm, they began to slaughter the cattle, turn it over for meat and after that they did not start any more, and then they moved completely from the virgin lands to the city. Here is a page of the history of the development of virgin lands.
  39. dzau
    dzau 24 May 2014 20: 47
    +6
    Funny picture, three citizens of Israel, Professor, atalef и Us Rat They are trying to convince the entire local audience how bad and terrible life was in the union.

    That same audience, which after sniffing these three from a destroyed union into Israel, could, during the 90s, feel in its own skin the whole difference between the terrible USSR and the radiant democratic Yeltsin RF.
  40. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 24 May 2014 21: 34
    +1
    Excellent analysis from the field of polyteconomy.
  41. chenia
    chenia 24 May 2014 22: 20
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    My grandmother in Ukraine lived in a village and worked as a teacher all her life.


    I respect you and your grandmother! But the professor is not an argument. I’m telling you statistics, but you’re subjective to me.

    In our area there was also a collective farm; I don’t know for sure what was grown there, but there was a farm of minks and 5 cows. And assembly shops for television modules.

    And at the same time two bases in the Koblevo district and a boarding house in Truskavets. And there were milkmaids in mink hats with golden teeth, which greatly contributed to the population explosion in this region.
  42. alekc73
    alekc73 25 May 2014 06: 23
    +3
    People do not believe people who fled abroad and from there "loving Russia" teaching us to live.
  43. air wolf
    air wolf 25 May 2014 13: 47
    0
    And I always say why such a rich country and people are still starving? Almost everyone knows the answer ...
  44. Governor
    Governor 25 May 2014 16: 53
    0
    I caught myself thinking that I have never come across polls of the Russian population on the topic "would you like to return the USSR during Stalin's time (with correcting the mistakes of the authorities of that period) and live in such a country, improving it every day?" It seems to me that the results will be quite obvious, therefore they do not ask anyone ... So maybe we can correct this omission at least under this wonderful article? Even if the scale is not great, there will be at least some data on people's opinions; and there is a reason - the bottom of the abyss is already close ...
    + for the Union
    - against the Union
  45. Des10
    Des10 25 May 2014 19: 04
    +2
    It is especially recommended to the young generation, which the Soviet Union did not find.
    Yes, I lived at this time and I am happy, happy from the EPOCH. By youth, everything is seen differently, but there were lines and emptiness of the shelves, but - as a comedian --- everything is at home! And they understood the complexity of the moment.
    It was normal life, worse family ... But - everything is so - normal --- lived, therefore - survived.
  46. demon184
    demon184 26 May 2014 12: 47
    0
    It was simply impossible to put the lame on the head of Khokhlov at the head of the state. And by the same thing, what the hell is happening in Ukraine now.
  47. dvvv
    dvvv 26 May 2014 13: 24
    0
    Quote: And Us Rat
    Moses drove the Jews through the desert until the last slave who knew the inheritance died, Russia will recover when there are no generations that remember the USSR.

    - if this fairy tale about Moysha is true, then only slaves should agree to death in the desert) Smart and independent do not need guides and generally will not go to the desert)
  48. dvvv
    dvvv 26 May 2014 13: 51
    0
    Quote: And Us Rat
    No, they are people whom the system did not allow to realize themselves and achieve success (without breaking the law), in 1989 my father founded a construction cooperative (one of the first), and before leaving, he earned money for a house and a car in a year, but left because they started to squeeze everything out. bandits in collusion with the cops and the city administration. Here, by the way, my father founded an engineering firm and also settled down very well. So "according to my logic" the system was unfair and flawed.

    - by the way, even in purely Soviet times there were ways to make money, but ... it was necessary to leave the design and other institutions, large cities and .. just plow. People went "to work" or where there was more high-paying job than sitting on 110 rubles at the institute. Cooperatives, at that time, were by and large a way of looting Soviet property, which was not protected by law and was poorly regulated. Many of the then co-operatives rose dashingly with a profit of 200-300 percent on speculation. I think that the transition period was, as always, boundless and cannot be considered an example.
    While working as an adjuster in 1982, I went on business trips and received 130 + 40% and 13th and business trips and sometimes it worked out to cheat. The installer received more than me in the region of 300 rubles and did not strain too much. I do not know how it is in the "non-black earth", but I worked in the Kaliningrad region and there was enough food for my eyes. Meat, of course, was in short supply, but for 1 rub95 kopecks, and for 4 rubles in cooptorga lay in bulk. Lithuanians supplied the co-sellers from their household plots and they all rode in cars that they bought somewhere. In Minsk it was even better, and Chisinau was average, but everyone adjusted and helping their relatives in the village ate quite normally. Of course, getting a sausage for 2.20 is much more pleasant than raising a hog and feeding chickens, but ... it's all about laziness and capitalist entrepreneurship. I had much more freedom than now. Although the dispute is about nothing, but in general then it was easier to live and more reliable, but now it is more risky and you have to plow more. I don’t want to work 12 hours and for a long period and I don’t need any money if I plow like this for years, even if in the end there will be a small company for 8 Arabs.
    1. Severok
      Severok 26 May 2014 20: 48
      0
      True brother. So it was.
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  49. komrad.klim
    komrad.klim 26 May 2014 14: 17
    0
    What is the main catastrophe of the USSR.
    Stalin did not leave the receiver.
    Judas came after Stalin, sold their homeland. Prospected nits.
  50. tasha
    tasha 26 May 2014 16: 55
    0
    Half of the comments are from the category "everything was", and I just want to continue "and .. stood".
    There was everything who thinks, that will understand.
    Here they write about Khrushchev, and about Brezhnev, and about Gorbachev. If the system collapsed having existed for only 70 years, then a bad system means something or untimely. The monarchy in Russia lasted 300 years, the United States has existed since 1776 years. Think for yourself.