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Cooperation of Ukraine and Kazakhstan in the field of military shipbuilding

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In the Ukrainian military-industrial magazine "Defense Express" Dmitry Bogdanov's interesting article "Ukraine and Kazakhstan are actively developing military-technical cooperation in the field of shipbuilding" was published.


Cooperation of Ukraine and Kazakhstan in the field of military shipbuilding

Missile and artillery ships of the 0250 project (code "Bars-MO") of the Navy of Kazakhstan "Oral" (left) and "Kazakhstan" (right). Well-marked differences in the established weapons. The Ukrainian Arbalet-K missile systems (on the rear of the superstructure) and the Barrier-VK (on the poop) are installed on the ship "Oral". Photo of October 2013 of the year (s) of the "Tumba"



Over the past few years, Ukraine and the Republic of Kazakhstan have significantly expanded the horizons of military-technical cooperation in the field of shipbuilding. The defense companies of both countries have gained invaluable experience of mutually beneficial cooperation. In 1993, to protect its interests in the Caspian Sea, Kazakhstan decided to create its own Navy.

Apart from the sea arsenal remaining from Soviet times, Kazakhstan acquired the first ships and boats abroad. However, in the future, the republic decided to build ships independently. Ukrainian shipbuilders and manufacturers of naval equipment provided considerable assistance to Kazakhstani specialists.

The first combat boats of the Barkyt type (0200 project, the Kazakhstan version of the well-known GNUM 1400М project) for the sea border units were built at Ural Zenit plant. This enterprise appeared as a result of the evacuation in 1941 of the Leningrad plant “Engine”, was subordinated to the mine and torpedo headquarters of the former USSR Ministry of Industry and Industry (today the enterprise is part of Kazakhstan Engineering JSC JSC). Vyacheslav Valiev, an enterprising and energetic director of Zenit, “got” copies of the working drawings of the prototype in the archival repository of the former “Sudprom” in Uralsk.

Experience has shown that, after some modernization, the production capabilities of the machine-building plant can provide the construction of ships with launching weight up to 250 tons. Following the first 40-ton boats of the Barkyt type, the plant began to build ships of larger displacement.

Having ordered in Russia a project of a high-speed vessel for the supply of drilling rigs (22180 project), Ural Zenit Plant JSC, using its own design bureau, created a “militarized” version of the 0300 project ships and began to build them serially for maritime border guards.

From this border project 0300, the cooperation of the Kazakh plant Zenit and the Nikolaev Shipbuilding Design and Research Center began. Initially, it was a small design work on the installation of artillery installations on border ships under construction, which were supplied to Kazakhstan by Ukrspetsexport.
Well-proven 230-ton border ships attracted the attention of specialists from the Kazakh Navy, but they needed a more armed ship. Thus was born the idea of ​​creating a new rocket-artillery ship on the basis of the spent 0300 project, the first version of which was built in 2012 and received the name “Kazakhstan”.

Given the tight construction schedule, Kazakhstan was equipped with obsolete weapons systems in stock. The ship passed all the tests and was accepted into the composition fleet. But even then there was an understanding that another ship was needed for the Kazakh Navy.

Together with Ukrspetsexport, the Nikolaev designers convinced the management of the Zenit plant and the command of the Kazakh Navy that with the help of Ukrainian enterprises in the 0300 project hull you can create a modern combat ship that meets the requirements of the Caspian region. It is worth noting that at that time most of the proposed models of weapons and radio electronic equipment did not exist either in the metal or in the drawings. There was only a firm belief that everything would be done on time. Kazakhstan people believed and did not lose. As a matter of urgency, nikolayevets prepared technical specifications for all Ukrainian arms developers and component equipment suppliers.

At the same time, they themselves were engaged in the development of documentation for a new version of the rocket-artillery ship (the Bars-MO project 250). As a result, in April 2013, the rocket-artillery ship, called Oral (Uralsk), was launched and transferred along the Ural River to the Caspian Sea for testing. It did not work out all at once, but thanks to the coordinated work of the teams of the SE “IPCC”, the SE “Kvant”, the SE “Kvant-Radiolocation”, the SE “KKKBB“ Luch ”, CJSC“ Transas-Ukraine ”, PE“ Ostov ”and the company "Ukrspetsexport", the Navy of Kazakhstan received a compact modern ship with advanced shock capabilities, good air defense and automated command and control system. In December, 2013 was signed the acceptance certificate. According to the concentration of the latest weapons systems on such a small 250-ton platform, the ship has no equal in the region.

Each combat unit of the ship boasts novelties from Ukraine. Automate the application of everything weapons the ship is carried out by the integrated self-defense system of the small ship “Kaskad-250” developed by the Kiev State Enterprise “Research Institute“ Kvant-Radiolocation ””. Kaskad-250 is designed to assess threats, target the distribution of dangerous targets, issue target designation to the AK-306 artillery system operator’s console, control panels of the Barrier-VK and Arbalet-K missile systems, generate control signals and ensure firing at selected airborne targets. and the 6 surface targets for the AK-306 lightweight artillery system.

The complex includes: Radar "Delta-250" with its own remote operator radar and target-targeting and target designation, small caliber artillery firing control module (PUART), as well as the commander's remote control.
The system receives navigation information, and when generating firing data, it takes into account the meteorological data received from the weather station. The marine solid-state two-coordinate coherent-impulse circular radar with digital signal processing “Delta-250 ″ is designed to detect surface and air targets, determine their coordinates, as well as to solve problems of navigation orientation and navigation in areas of increased navigation danger. Operating in the 3-x centimeter wavelength range in the 150 MHz operating frequency band, it has an instrumental range of 96 km.

The detection range of small air targets is from 8 to 30 km, the detection range of marine targets is limited only by the line of sight. The radar is capable of simultaneously accompanying up to 50 targets. Radar control is fully automated. The station has a built-in self-monitoring system, automatic registration of operator actions, documentation of operating modes and trajectories of accompanied targets.
In addition, the ship received a modern opto-electronic artillery fire control system Sens-2 developed and manufactured by the state-owned research institute Kvant (Kiev).

Working on the issued preliminary target designation from the radar, the Sens-2 station returns accurate target data to the Cascade-250 system for generating data (PUGN and PUUH) and ensuring firing at the selected target. OES Sens-2 has a television and IR thermal channels (7,5-13 μm), as well as a laser rangefinder, capable of measuring the distance to the target at distances up to 5 km with accuracy up to 7 m. In addition, the system provides crews with a circular situational awareness in the near zone. The most interesting armament of the ship was the new armament complexes Arbalet-K and Barrier-VK, which were developed and manufactured at the pilot production of the State Communist Design Bureau “Luch” (Kiev) in cooperation with a number of enterprises of the Ukroboronprom group of companies.

According to the Commander-in-Chief of the Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Rear Admiral Zhandarbek Zhanzakov, the ship "Oral" successfully passed the tests during the exercises "Chagall-2013". According to the results of the exercises, on the pages of the Kazakhstan Today publication, the admiral expressed confidence that "the ship will make a worthy contribution to ensuring security in the Kazakh sector of the Caspian Sea." Today, construction of the next, but not the last, ship of the same type continues in Kazakhstan.

Also with the participation of Ukrainian enterprises. So, in the middle of February, the 2014 of the state-owned enterprise “Luch”, which is part of the Ukroboronprom group of companies, shipped the next batch of weapons for the Kazakhstan Navy, consisting of the newest shipborne short-range anti-aircraft missile system “Arbalet-K” guided weapons "Barrier-VK". About this 17 February 2014 was reported by the leadership of the concern "Ukroboronprom".

The first batch, shipped to the customer earlier, has already been adopted by the Kazakh Navy and is successfully used in the interests of the national security of this country.
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  1. maskwich
    maskwich 24 May 2014 14: 29
    +1
    Bugaga, and where will Ukraine build a court now, in Odessa? wassat
    I read it 2 times until I realized that this is not a glitch laughing
    Rocket and artillery ships of project 0250 (code "Bars-MO") Navy of Kazakhstan "Screaming"
    1. svp67
      svp67 24 May 2014 14: 33
      +2
      Since tsarist times, NIKOLAEV was doing this.
      1. maskwich
        maskwich 24 May 2014 14: 36
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        Since tsarist times, NIKOLAEV was doing this.

        Everything is already ruined there
        In Nikolaev, the depth of the problems is felt especially sharply, after all, the city began to be built a year after the laying of the shipyard on Ingul. For two centuries, ships were built here, and then Ukrainian rulers, and not Russian and Soviet, took up the matter. And now three famous factories, Black Sea, them. 61 Communards and the "Ocean" lose their power every year. At the same time, they lose, regardless of their form of ownership, both state-owned enterprises and privatized-captured ones.

        Just look at the number of employees. If at sunset the Union worked at ChSZ 24 thousand people, and at the plant them. 61 communards - 13 thousand, now, as noted by the former director of both enterprises Igor Ovdienko, they have less than a thousand employees. On the "Ocean" - "significantly less than a thousand" of those who once worked 12 thousand.
        1. svp67
          svp67 24 May 2014 14: 43
          +1
          Quote: maskwitch
          Everything is already ruined there

          Well, if earlier there were built aircraft carriers, battleships, cruisers ... now, to build such "comas" and there will be enough power and people ...
      2. Hunghuz
        Hunghuz 24 May 2014 17: 55
        +1
        hi Do you want the world to prepare for war .......))) the ancient warned Kazakhstan and the next Svidomo revolution ???
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 24 May 2014 14: 45
      -2
      Quote: maskwitch
      Bugaga, and where will Ukraine build a court now, in Odessa?

      the question is how she will deliver them to the Republic of Kazakhstan
      1. Lindon
        Lindon 24 May 2014 15: 08
        +21
        Enough to stupid people - ships are doing at the Zenith factory. Ukrainians give only the filling.
        Like adults, but can’t read or understand the plain text in Russian?
  2. Giant thought
    Giant thought 24 May 2014 14: 34
    +1
    This, perhaps, the cooperation between Kazakhstan and Ukraine in the military sphere will end, in connection with the line of the new Ukrainian leadership with the submission of the United States to the collapse of the Ukrainian defense industry.
  3. Wiruz
    Wiruz 24 May 2014 14: 47
    +4
    Kazakhstan shipbuilding - how beautiful it sounds! It would be so patriotic if it weren’t so funny. Where is Kazakhstan and where is shipbuilding? We, even, carry horsemeat from Spain.

    Nothing, nothing, soon the oil at the RK will end and we will suck ... paw.
    (Young patriots, waiting for your minuses and slurred counterarguments)
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 24 May 2014 14: 55
      +6
      The cruiser needs to be built. There is an admiral, but no cruiser. Not an order.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 24 May 2014 15: 04
        +4
        Mail.ru somehow joked, but here in Kazakhstan we all believed.

        http://news.mail.ru/inworld/kazakhstan/politics/17641656/
      2. Sterlya
        Sterlya 24 May 2014 15: 15
        +5
        Quote: Humpty
        The cruiser needs to be built. There is an admiral, but no cruiser. Not an order.

        What about the Aircraft Carrier? wassat Okay, the United States can contain about a dozen, and only because it prints dollars. if the world refuses the dollar, the United States cannot even contain 5k, they can say anything to me, but it is.
      3. Lindon
        Lindon 24 May 2014 15: 17
        +7
        Cruiser at least 10 000 tons.
        Russia itself has no more 2000 tons of ships in the Caspian - shallow water.
      4. Berkut-UA
        Berkut-UA 24 May 2014 19: 58
        -2
        Quote: Humpty
        The cruiser needs to be built. There is an admiral, but no cruiser. Not an order.


        And against whom to build all these ships?

        In addition to Russia in the Caspian, all other countries are Muslim, i.e.
        they will not fight each other.

        Then against whom to fight?
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 24 May 2014 20: 42
          -2
          Berkut-UA
          Quote: Berkut-UA
          And against whom to build all these ships?

          In addition to Russia in the Caspian, all other countries are Muslim, i.e.
          they will not fight each other.

          Then against whom to fight?


          They do not plan to fight with anyone. Have you heard about the "image efforts" of Kazakhstan. Between the mountains there are show-offs this is the city of Almaty. Therefore, a cruiser is necessary, at least one. Is it bad to dream of distant seas ..
    2. ordinary
      ordinary 24 May 2014 15: 14
      +2
      Well, firstly, not so soon ... ours and by the way, your age will also be enough, and secondly, half a century is the period of guaranteed production of the SCIENTIZED deposits, well, thirdly, agree that for these half a century the rest of the countries will suck FAR AWAY ... and that will solve everything !!
    3. Lindon
      Lindon 24 May 2014 15: 17
      +7
      Sense to prove? Zenith, of course, does not make the Mistral, but 250 tons will come off for the Caspian.
    4. VladKZ
      VladKZ 24 May 2014 15: 34
      +12
      those. In your opinion, is it better to sit on the fifth point and not do anything?
      All Kazakhstan sounds funny car manufacturing, shipbuilding, aircraft manufacturing, etc. Only now we have to start with something. How old are the traditions of shipbuilding in Russia? Not all at once, but it is necessary to try, otherwise we will really suck a paw.
      1. Lindon
        Lindon 24 May 2014 15: 51
        +3
        Quote: VladKZ
        How old are the traditions of shipbuilding in Russia? Not all at once, but it is necessary to try, otherwise we will really suck a paw.


        Right now, how Mistral from the French will receive for 1,2 billion - they may remember how it was done during the USSR.
        It's funny when Kazakhstan and Russia are trying to compare and most importantly believe in their steepness. Whatever the child mother-in-law, only did not consume drugs.
      2. Zymran
        Zymran 24 May 2014 15: 54
        +2
        The automotive industry, indeed, sounds ridiculous, and ships for the fleet must be built. It would be nice to cooperate with South Korea, they seemed to be building something for Azerbaijan.
        1. Lindon
          Lindon 24 May 2014 15: 59
          +3
          Quote: Zymran
          The automotive industry, indeed, sounds ridiculous, and ships for the fleet must be built. It would be nice to cooperate with South Korea, they seemed to be building something for Azerbaijan.


          Do you propose to do heroin instead of cars like Afghanistan? Land in bulk - a market near by.
          No, we’ll better collect cars — even if they are Russian Lada models in Ust-Kamenogorsk.
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 24 May 2014 16: 04
            +2
            Do you think our cars will be allowed there, which come at a price even more expensive than those assembled in the Russian Federation?
            1. Lindon
              Lindon 24 May 2014 16: 35
              +3
              Quote: Zymran
              Do you think our cars will be allowed there, which come at a price even more expensive than those assembled in the Russian Federation?


              Well, yes, heroin’s permission is not required, but there can be problems with a car.
              Although AvtoVAZ intends to cover the markets of Kazakhstan, Central Asia and Siberia from the plant in KZ, (that is, part of the Russian market has been announced). Although in Russia it is not clear whether they will generally ride a Lada or only foreign cars.
              1. Zymran
                Zymran 24 May 2014 16: 40
                +5
                Umm, nobody needs TAZs in Central Asia, given the low duties in Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan and protectionism in relation to its own manufacturer in Uzbekistan. In the Russian market, the demand for pots is rapidly falling.
                http://www.vedomosti.ru/auto/news/23476041/avtovaz-pozabotitsya-o-dilerah
                1. Lindon
                  Lindon 24 May 2014 16: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Zymran
                  Umm, nobody needs TAZs in Central Asia, given the low duties in Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan and protectionism in relation to its own manufacturer in Uzbekistan. In the Russian market, the demand for pots is rapidly falling.
                  http://www.vedomosti.ru/auto/news/23476041/avtovaz-pozabotitsya-o-dilerah


                  And with heroin there are no such strains? I’m silent about Chechnya. The market is dead there.
                  1. Zymran
                    Zymran 24 May 2014 17: 19
                    +1
                    I don’t know about heroin. Our brand is anasha.
                  2. northern
                    northern 24 May 2014 17: 26
                    +1
                    Besides heroin, there is still something to talk about? You mentioned him in six posts in a row
              2. samoletil18
                samoletil18 24 May 2014 22: 40
                0
                Quote: Lindon
                Although in Russia it is not clear whether they will generally ride a Lada or only on foreign cars.

                Today I saw a couple of "grant", "largus", a new "viburnum", "patriot".
        2. Andrey KZ
          Andrey KZ 24 May 2014 17: 04
          +2
          Quote: Zymran
          That car industry really sounds funny
          While it may be funny, but localization according to NOMAD has already reached 30 percent, by 2020 they plan to bring the level of localization for all cars assembled in Kazakhstan up to 50 percent and deliver 100000 cars a year to Russia.
          PS Maybe I need to watch less "KHABAR"? lol
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 24 May 2014 18: 13
            +4
            An interesting article is where the equipment comes from. Nikolayevtsa did not give work (orders), so they were attached to us. And as I understand it, they reacted responsibly. Soviet school, well done.
            You will not find such information in our media. Anyway, little is going on in the media regarding the armament of Kazakhstan. hi
  4. igorkuzik
    igorkuzik 24 May 2014 15: 02
    +1
    So Ukraine can’t build its corvette in any way .....
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 24 May 2014 15: 06
      +1
      Muscovites are to blame. Anyway. Didn't you know?
      1. igorkuzik
        igorkuzik 24 May 2014 15: 08
        +2
        "m.s.s.k.ali" smile
  5. Zymran
    Zymran 24 May 2014 15: 05
    +6
    maskwich
    svp67 SU
    Vasilenko Vladimir


    You did not understand. Ships are being built in Uralsk (Kazakhstan), and Ukraine only supplies equipment there.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 24 May 2014 18: 17
      +3
      Previously, the Utes heavy machine guns were assembled there. Unfortunately, this is no longer possible. hi
  6. igorkuzik
    igorkuzik 24 May 2014 15: 07
    +2
    On April 30, 2013 in Uralsk, West Kazakhstan region, the missile and artillery ship "Oral" (tail number "251"), built at the "Ural plant" Zenith ", which is part of JSC" National Company "Kazakhstan Engineering" ... The missile and artillery ship "Oral" (Kazakh name of the Ural River) is an enlarged version of large patrol boats of project 2005 (code "Bars") being built by "Zenith" since 0300 for the Border Service of Kazakhstan. Project 0300 is the local designation of project 22180, developed by Kazakhstani order St. Petersburg OJSC "Severnoye PKB".
    1. jovanni
      jovanni 24 May 2014 17: 18
      0
      Cute boat, only the name somehow sounds sexually frivolous ...
      Captain H.B.Vrungel said, as you call a yacht, so it will sail ...
      1. Lindon
        Lindon 24 May 2014 17: 46
        +3
        Quote: Jovanni
        Cute boat, only the name somehow sounds sexually frivolous ...
        Captain H.B.Vrungel said, as you call a yacht, so it will sail ...


        And what do you think about the biblical dictum: Forging swords into a screaming?
        Also thoughts about s.x? "And we are still fighting for the title of the House of High Culture and Life" (c) Shpak from film Ivan Vasilyevich changes his profession. "
  7. Cristall
    Cristall 24 May 2014 15: 24
    +5
    the impression that comments are made on emotions and not on the article.
    cooperation is productive for both sides. Ukrainian shipyards are not loaded with orders, enterprises with internal orders. So they work with other customers.
    Not even in terms of building at Nikolaev’s shipyards (Ukraine could not even if she wanted to build as much as the entire USSR for her needs) but in terms of delivering components, developments, turbine assemblies, and other things ... Ukrainians generally take on everything to to survive.
    And yes, it’s hard. It’s just that for several years now the sense of such messages - the same ones anyway - has died, destroyed, not been fulfilled, hehankah khahanki ... and not a single sensible commentary ... and this is on VO ...
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 24 May 2014 15: 33
      +6
      Quote: Cristall
      Ukrainians generally undertake everything to survive.
      Probably it sounds cynical, but in the light of the events that took place in Ukraine, it will be beneficial for Kazakhstan to cooperate with the Ukrainian military-industrial complex .. Dumping, panimah .. recourse what
      By the way, what's wrong with An-us ?! Our kind of memorandums as signed. We wanted to collect them in Kazakhstan ..
    2. marshes
      marshes 24 May 2014 15: 34
      +6
      Here Kharkovites transferred the plane An-74 T-200A, for our border guards.
      Prior to this, for the Ministry of Internal Affairs AN-74TK-200
  8. Oprychnik
    Oprychnik 24 May 2014 15: 30
    0
    Uralsk, the former Yaitsky town. It was not taken by Pugachev after the siege. Renamed Catherine, like the Yaik River. The Urals shredded heavily. I can hardly imagine how the ships go down the river.
    1. marshes
      marshes 24 May 2014 15: 40
      +4
      Quote: Oprychnik
      I can hardly imagine how the ships go down the river.

      Here is the third ship of Saryarka, launched on May 7, 2014.
      1. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 24 May 2014 15: 59
        +1
        And this during the flood?))))
        1. marshes
          marshes 24 May 2014 16: 05
          +4
          Quote: Oprychnik
          And this during the flood?))))

          There previously cleared the bottom.
          And so basically in April and May they put them into the water.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 24 May 2014 18: 25
            +5
            We cleaned and deepened our part of the Urals, even cleaned up a little for the Russians. In general, a whole memorandum was signed on the Urals between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan, there, on the conservation and reproduction of sturgeons, cleaning and deepening. We fulfilled our obligations, but the Russians pulled. Now I don’t even know how you are.
            1. Oprychnik
              Oprychnik 24 May 2014 19: 48
              +1
              I lived in Orenburg for 23 years. I remember, as a kid, we had an armored boat in the Urals. And the steamers walked around. And once, during a flood, a beluga, 3-4 meters, under the bridge she couldn’t go down due to the shallow water. The townspeople fed her all summer. It was 10 years ago. Where before each year they drowned in more than one way - you can cross the knee to the other side.
  9. nnz226
    nnz226 24 May 2014 15: 32
    +1
    Rohlyandiya is a shipbuilding power ??? Three HA-HA! They could not repair their only "submarine in the steppes of Ukraine" called "Zaparizhye". And repairs are still easier than building a new ship. Moreover, the repair work dragged on from the first presidential term of Kuchma and ended only in 2013 at the Russian shipyard No. 13 in Sevastopol. No matter how puffed up the svidomye, they could not degenerate anything, they had to turn to Russia. And one more thing: yes, you can put Ukrainian weapons on Kazakh ships. But how to overtake a ship from the shores of Rokhlandia into the Caspian Sea without the high permission of Russia is not clear. Or is geography not taught in Rokhlandia? Then, under the holy fool Poroshenko (then the chairman of the National Security and Defense Council of Rokhlandia, and now a candidate for prize), he proposes to build the Iran-Rokhlandia gas pipeline, now they are going to supply ships ...
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 24 May 2014 15: 56
      +3
      Quote: nnz226
      more: yes, you can put Ukrainian weapons on Kazakh ships. But how to overtake a ship from the coast of Rokhland to the Caspian Sea without Russia's high permission is not clear. Or in Rokhlandii not teach geography?


      Why move ships from Ukraine to the Caspian? fool
  10. siberalt
    siberalt 24 May 2014 17: 11
    +1
    There are two seas in the Republic of Kazakhstan. International - Caspian and domestic - Balkhash. A naval power should have its own navy.
  11. sv68
    sv68 24 May 2014 17: 15
    +3
    Kazakh brothers! if you can only argue and swear, then you can never build your own fleet. the main thing is to want very much, don’t swear, of course, but to develop your own machine for yourself and build it. trust in yourself and you will succeed
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 24 May 2014 17: 18
      +3
      So do the same ships. Thank you for your wishes.
  12. marshes
    marshes 24 May 2014 17: 26
    +3
    They showed an interesting car at Cadex. As the main weapon, it looks like an automatic 2B9 Cornflower mortar, on the BMP chassis.
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 24 May 2014 17: 35
      +2
      Zymran seemed to want to go to the CADEX. Went no? Show the pictures, do not press.
      1. marshes
        marshes 24 May 2014 17: 38
        +2
        Quote: Andrey KZ
        Zymran seemed to want to go to the CADEX. Went no? Show the pictures, do not press.

        I do not know whether he went or not, I take out pictures from the Internet, I’m most interested. smile
        And there is something about Tengri News.
        1. Lindon
          Lindon 24 May 2014 17: 50
          +2
          At CADEKS they showed "Tochka-U" - many write, they are interested - after all, Iskander's dad. Maybe someone has forgotten what she looks like wink ?
          1. marshes
            marshes 24 May 2014 18: 05
            +1
            Better to read it.
            http://www.armyrecognition.com/kadex_2014_official_news_show_daily_coverage/inde
            x.php
            http://worlddefencenews.blogspot.com/2014/05/thalesraytheonsystems-to-sign.html
            Already came up with the name of the radar.
  13. beifall
    beifall 24 May 2014 17: 35
    +2
    We are buying junk again, we have already bought an "BTR-4", in which the vaunted Slavs crashed in Iraq ............... drunk! That is why our sarbazs did not get along with them, but the warmest relations with the soldiers were spoken by the Polish and Yankees!


    Here's what can happen: An An-72 aircraft of the Border Guard Service of the National Security Committee of Kazakhstan will be repaired by the plant’s warranty group within a week, Mirbek Kurmanaliev, head of the main aviation department of the border service, told Tengrinews.kz.

    On May 13, 2014, the An-72 aircraft was flying after scheduled repairs at the aircraft repair plant No. 410 in Kiev on the route Kiev - Aktau - Almaty. The flight was carried out under the technical support of a test pilot and test navigator of the Antonov design bureau.

    "During the planned landing approach to Aktau for customs procedures and border control, the crew found a decrease in pressure in one of the aircraft's hydraulic systems. The landing was carried out in a normal mode. After a flight inspection, a hydraulic fluid leak was found in the left engine. The warranty group of plant No. 410, which was carrying out repairs, was notified. This aircraft is expected to be commissioned by the plant's guarantee group within a week, "he added.
    According to Kurmanaliev, after the aircraft was repaired by test pilots of the Antonov design bureau and aviation pilots of the Border Service of the National Security Committee of the Republic of Kazakhstan in Kiev, test and fly-around flights were carried out for more than 6 hours, no deviations were found during these flights.
    1. marshes
      marshes 24 May 2014 17: 43
      +1
      Quote: beifall
      btr-4 ",

      They dissociated themselves from them for a long time, they said the drawings were sent for revision.
      But with the An-72, it didn’t work out well again they were driven to Kiev for repairs and not to Kharkov, the manufacturer.
      1. beifall
        beifall 24 May 2014 17: 56
        0
        It is necessary to take only s-295, if they were chosen !!!!!!!!!!! Take more, more discount !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of Ukraine - it’s roshen sweets and naphtha’s water and RAPID BEAUTY girls !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and not ships and armored personnel carriers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there is israel and europe!
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 24 May 2014 20: 16
          +2
          I just read that with South Africa. Barys will be called. 3 + 8, ed. gun on top. Mine protection. Will wait.
          As I understand it, "it is not working" with Ukraine. Otherwise, why do we need two cars of the same type? I wonder at what price will rise and what is the localization of production in our country? The guys wrote here that the South African armored personnel carriers are one of the best. So just glad.
          1. marshes
            marshes 24 May 2014 20: 35
            +2
            Quote: Kasym
            . Barys will be called

            The plant has already been under construction since last year in Astana, not only armored personnel carriers will be assembled, but also other equipment.
            http://military-informant.com/index.php/industry/4314-1.html
          2. Kasym
            Kasym 24 May 2014 21: 07
            +3
            S-295 - a light transporter, up to 10 tons, without weapons, you can’t especially transport equipment; but the same An-12 - up to 21 tons, had 2 23mm + guns and could carry bombs, this one can also throw equipment.
            So, if you have a self-sufficient army, the S-295 is not enough.
            Generally speaking, if we talk about the purchase of new weapons, then I get the feeling that the roofing felts are being cautious, they are acting on the "residual" principle. After all, we have practically no new weapons among the strike types, and air defense is not entirely satisfactory. I would like the National Academy of Sciences, I would have "pushed through" long ago. The border is wow. To take a medium radius BUK (which showed itself in 08.08.08) or to stuff TORs, to them it would be Pantsirey (all have already been adopted by the Russian Federation), while the S-400 is impossible. Take and "push through" the Su-34 (at least a squadron), a couple of Su-35 squadrons. The first ones were adopted by the RF Air Force, the second ones have already begun to be mass produced. We (Kazakhstan) will not see the T-50 for at least 10 years. As long as there is no possibility for LFI, it will become stronger with "strands". The air issue will at least be resolved on 4-ku. In terms of the scale of Central Asia, we will not be equal. For artillery, I would take the Mstu-S self-propelled gun - a proven, good machine, it can work with high-precision. One of the best in the world in its class. Under the USSR, about 120 cars were produced, they did not have time anymore.
            It would be imperative to strengthen with new turntables. Oh, but I would take a bunch of Ka-50. Let the RF Mi-28 and Ka-52 promote. And I would take the Ka-50 (this one will do anyone in our mountains). Well, it was not in vain that Mikheev fought so much for her, but they "pushed through" two places. Ka-52.
            Eh, dreaming is not harmful. Maybe something interesting will appear for our aircraft at this CADEX exhibition? But judging by the policy of the National Academy of Sciences, this will not happen.
            1. marshes
              marshes 24 May 2014 21: 24
              +2
              Quote: Kasym
              Eh, dreaming is not harmful. Maybe something interesting will appear for our aircraft at this CADEX exhibition? But judging by the policy of the National Academy of Sciences, this will not happen.

              This question I ask myself. The purchase is mainly from those who "in us" invest or the opposite case, South Africa. Yes, and mainly from the gangs. formations-technology with mine protection, although in their country they are afraid of someone.
              They brought wasps and Torahs to see what happens.
            2. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 24 May 2014 22: 17
              +1
              Quote: Kasym
              C-295 not enough.
              Passed information that Kazakhstan is eyeing the A-400 (Airbus)
              Quote: Kasym
              But judging by the policy of the National Academy of Sciences, this will not happen.
              I think there are enough Soviet stocks that need to be modernized with the help of western technologies. Well, as an example - the French MSAs, Israeli avionics ..
              Quote: Kasym
              I wonder what price will rise and what is the localization of production in our country? The guys here wrote that South African armored personnel carriers are one of the best. So just happy.
              The most interesting South African MRAP based on the "Ural". In Kostanay, there was a diesel plant for Mias. That would really be a real localization. Now, by the way, Iveco trucks and minibuses are being assembled.
              Quote: Kasym
              to them would shell
              Don't watch Carbon Monoxide negative In the "Polygon" he didn't even hit the target from the cannons)) TOP and BUK will be more practical ..
              Quote: marshes
              Already came up with the name of the radar.
              Wangyu. We know one "iron" contract))
              In Kostanay, the NurMed medical center was recently opened ..laughing
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 25 May 2014 00: 18
                +2
                Alibek, hello! The fact is that these are anti-aircraft guns. They shouldn't hit hard. The main thing is the rate of fire. "A cloud of shells" - one yes will hit. There is also Tunguska. I mean the canned anti-aircraft artillery. Which works for the closest distances. What an Apache will emerge from behind the hill. Meters at 200x. The rocket does not work at such close ranges, as far as I know. Trunks only. Yes, and they are needed to cover those BUKs or Torahs.
                Unfortunately, the performance characteristics of "Tunguska" are a bit outdated (and is it produced). The only vehicle that works on the move and covers the troops. Remains the Shell.
                A A-400 is a good car, although inferior to Antonov’s classmate (An-70, but it is not in the series). Therefore, it would be great to see the A-400.
            3. samoletil18
              samoletil18 24 May 2014 22: 53
              +1
              About 5 years ago I talked with one aviator. He said that the Ka-50 was finally ruined under Yeltsin, not without the help of the Americans.
              1. samoletil18
                samoletil18 28 May 2014 18: 03
                0
                I remembered one more thing: all the new developments in electronics at the time were sold to "filis" with all the rights. And according to him, we were one step away from effective control and combat by one pilot. And the Ka-52 was considered as the command post, leading the "Sharks"
  14. beifall
    beifall 24 May 2014 17: 37
    +1
    Russians want to "please" you:

    Now Kazakhstan at West Point (the Higher Academy of the US Army) represents the maximum number of cadets - according to the rules of the academy no more than four people can study from one country at a time. This small and friendly team has one and the same goal - to successfully complete West Point and return home!


    Russians rejoice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    here: http://www.voxpopuli.kz/post/1969-kazakhstantsy-v-vest-poynte

    Commander of the us army in europe in 30 years ....................... KAZAKH !!!!!!!!!!

    From modern Russia there is only one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    from Ukraine - NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We have already purchased France-made radars worth $ 320 million !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have ---------------- NOTHING IS ACHIEVEMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 24 May 2014 17: 43
      +2
      Quote: beifall
      You have ---------------- NOTHING IS ACHIEVEMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Achievement is when we will do our own.
    2. 290980
      290980 25 May 2014 00: 12
      +3
      Russians want to "please" you:


      Kazakhs are not so bad as they think of them in Russia, they hold annual competitions among special services, there Kazakhs of Russians often beat according to many standards, so that Kazakhs are underestimated by those who are not familiar with them.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 26 May 2014 20: 06
        0
        Quote: 290980
        Kazakhs underestimated

        Judging by the periodically conducted joint exercises, it is highly appreciated.
    3. tokens2
      tokens2 25 May 2014 17: 34
      0
      Russians want to "please" you:

      Now Kazakhstan at West Point

      Is China closer? Is fate not friends with China?

      Commander of the us army in europe in 30 years ....................... KAZAKH !!!!!!!!!!

      As in a joke ... But the Chinese and Russian will not approve this epoch-making event laughing

      Of Ukraine - it’s roshen sweets and naphtha’s water and RAPID BEAUTY girls !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      And then
      1. tokens2
        tokens2 25 May 2014 17: 36
        0
        Mad Russian beauty can be like that
  15. beifall
    beifall 24 May 2014 17: 54
    +1
    Achievement is when someone invents a spoke for a long-invented bicycle that uses FIRST DEMAND !!!!!! Not like an e-mobile or yotafon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  16. meikin
    meikin 24 May 2014 18: 22
    +1
    Quote: beifall

    Russians rejoice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    here: http://www.voxpopuli.kz/post/1969-kazakhstantsy-v-vest-poynte

    Commander of the us army in europe in 30 years ....................... KAZAKH !!!!!!!!!!

    From modern Russia there is only one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    from Ukraine - NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We have already purchased France-made radars worth $ 320 million !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have ---------------- NOTHING IS ACHIEVEMENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    Kazakhs, ABOUT Woe to you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    We have just ordered a couple of Mistral-type amphibious assault helicopter carriers at the paddling pools ... for a dozen lard !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the scope, this is the breadth of soul and views !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    And you ordered radars for a lousy third of the lard and have already described it with delight ... oh, kid, you still have to see us how to plow from Astana to Rome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, and look so that your kiddies in Point will not be taught how to ride naughty sexes, otherwise the rogues have already jumped ... lol
  17. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx 24 May 2014 19: 29
    0
    In Nikolaev since the empire, there have been huge shipbuilding capacities! Built battleships! Khokhlami all proebano! The maximum that they can build is a guard!