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The future of Ukraine and Russia

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The future of Ukraine and Russia



Ukraine in the modern historical format will not be. Then what will happen? Let us think about it, but first - that there is Ukraine for Russia.

The expert and political community of Russia has a firm conviction that without Ukraine our country will be weak and weak. In addition, we were convinced of this, we were accustomed to this by Bismarck, Hitler, Brzezinski and many other foreign authorities. I myself believed in it. We somehow got used to think that once a Ukrainian means a friend and brother. But if the Kazakh, Kirghiz or Tatar - this is already something more distant, different from the Russians. But if we carefully analyze the processes in the Eurasian space over the past quarter century, then we, perhaps, will come to completely different conclusions.

Who made a decisive contribution to the destruction of the USSR? No, not Balts, without them, and even without Georgia, the Union would have lived and prospered. Powerful mine under the foundation of the USSR laid M. Gorbachev with his henchmen and, concurrently, agents of the Western special services, A. Yakovlev and E. Shevardnadze. They sowed doubts about the righteousness of the existence of the world socialist system, as the antipode of the unlimited power of capital, discredited the great achievements and great friendship of the peoples of the USSR, ideologically disarmed the CPSU and society. It was Gorbachev who dragged the Soviet Union from an independent path of development, promising and crisis-free, to the fawning on the West. That later, and recognized publicly. With their mindless restructuring and criticism of the Soviet system, they shattered the foundations of a single state. Under the banner of democracy, replacing the priority of the rights of the people with the slogan about the priority of the rights of an individual and national minorities, Gorbachev and his ilk launched the process of destroying a powerful and unique power. And under these slogans, extreme nationalism, separatism, and fascism began to revive, which was immediately used and financed by foreign special services. Ukraine flinch one of the first. In the republic, as a virus, the idea of ​​independence from Moscow began to spread. Yeltsin precisely took allies for the collapse of the USSR leader of Ukraine Kravchuk. Because he was convinced that Ukraine is the main ally of Russia, more significant than all the other Soviet republics. And Kravchuk relied on the all-Ukrainian referendum on 1991, in which the majority of residents voted for “independence”. But not one of the Central Asian nations voted for secession from the USSR. And N.A. Nazarbayev, I.A. Karimov, A.A. Akaev, until the last, fought to preserve the Union in an updated version. And after the collapse of a great power, it was the Asians-Presidents who did everything possible not to run away in national apartments. N.Nazarbayev already in 1993 began to talk about the need for the Eurasian Union, proposed its scientifically-based project. The Ukrainian president, however, did his best to disperse as far as possible from each other. I testify this as an official present at all meetings of the Council of Heads of State of the CIS countries up to the 2002 year. If it were not for Nazarbayev and Karimov, the CIS would collapse another 20 March 1992. At the meeting of the heads of state in Kiev, Kravchuk, accompanied by the Westerners screaming under the windows, suggested that the first issue be considered redistribution of the gold reserves and the diamond fund of Russia. Yeltsin did not object to putting this issue on the agenda, but said that the Russian delegation would not participate in its discussion. Then Kravchuk proposed to dissolve the CIS. Belarusian Shushkevich, Moldovan Snegur did not object to this. The others were silent. And only the diplomatic art of the chairman IA Karimov, the strategic vision and perseverance of N.Nazarbayev saved the situation. But, nevertheless, Ukraine consistently pursued a course towards the disintegration of the post-Soviet space. The leadership of Ukraine did not allow the creation of the Commonwealth Joint Armed Forces, the Unified Air Defense System, an effective collective security system of the CIS, a common economic space, the Bank of the CIS, but in general, launch closer integration processes in the post-Soviet space. Practically for all integration programs, the Ukrainian presidents and their representatives had a special opinion, and it consisted, as a rule, in a jealous attitude to any Russian integration initiative, in suspicion that Moscow wants to restrict the independence of Ukraine. The Ukrainian side was actively working on the Charter of the CIS, depleting from it all the positions politically binding the post-Soviet space. The same for other basic documents. The Russian leadership for the sake of keeping Ukraine in the field of friendship and influence, agreed with most of the positions of Kiev. But the project prepared with regard to the Ukrainian proposals, Kiev, as a rule, did not sign. Moreover, the Ukrainian leadership initiated the creation of the anti-Russian association GUUAM (Georgia, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, Moldova) as opposed to the CIS and the CSTO.

Recall the Chechen events. On the territory of Ukraine, primarily in the Crimea, camps were set up for the training and rest of Chechen fighters, Ukrainian Nazis participated in military operations against federal forces, displaying particular cruelty to Russian soldiers. The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) didn’t notice this. August 2008. Georgia attacks South Ossetia and Russian peacekeepers. Armed with Georgian forces - modernized Ukrainian Tanks, anti-tank grenade launchers, anti-aircraft missile systems. As a result, the deaths of Russian guys, civilians, the loss of several aircraft, etc. The Verkhovna Rada and the prosecutor's office in these actions did not reveal anything bad, unfriendly, and even less so anti-Russian. I have heard more than once at international forums the position of Ukrainian diplomats and politicians, not at all friendly, but rather hostile to Russia and the Russians. But how many nasty things did our Ukrainian brothers do during perestroika and, especially, during the “independent” years? Older times are better not to remember. And before the Pereyaslav Rada, and after it, not all Ukrainians welcomed the entry into Russia, many fought against it, conducted subversive activities. The same mazeps, vygovskys, loops, bandera pass through the whole Russian history. Of all the peoples of the Russian Empire and the USSR, perhaps, Ukraine gave us the most problems. Especially in terms of unity. And as soon as Russia as a state weakened, it was Ukraine that was the first to come out of it. And in order to persuade her to remain in the composition of a single state, we always gave her something: Russian territories, millions of Russian people (V. Putin: like a sack of potatoes), provided various kinds of preferences and benefits. That is, they bought loyalty and hoped that, finally, the Ukrainians would become brothers. But they did not become, or became for a short time and immediately began an anti-Russian intrigue. The Russian side really was brotherly towards all residents of Ukraine. Often at the expense of themselves. Take at least Pereyaslavskaya Rada. The attitude of the Russian tsar to B. Khmelnitsky was generous and truly fraternal: “The relations between Russia and the Hetman’s after the decisions taken at the Pereyaslav Rada cannot be described as vassal,” writes the Ukrainian historian B.N. Floria. “On the contrary, the prerequisites for fraternization and equality were laid. According to a number of chartered letters, the Russian tsar was granted a large amount of rights for the Ukrainian army, clergy, court.” (Florya B.N. Pereyaslavskaya is pleased with 1654 and its place in the history of Ukraine // Belarus and Ukraine: history and culture: yearbook / Institute of Slavic Studies. - M., Nauka, 2004. P. 423). But the heirs and followers of B. Khmelnitsky again continued the intrigue about "independence". From western Ukraine (although such a term did not yet exist - LI), a wave of Catholicism rolled eastward. Already in the beginning of the 18th century, the western part of Ukraine was finally transferred to the union with Rome. During the Great Patriotic War, the most massive betrayal among the population of the USSR was also in Ukraine, and Bandera fought against the Soviet troops for ten years longer than the Germans.

Today, it is also not worthwhile to build illusions that a handful of Bandera people stirred up the Ukrainian people and seized power in Kiev, and the overwhelming majority of the population for a great friendship with Russia and almost for joining it. This is far from the case: the overwhelming majority of the Ukrainian population is against Russia, against the return of the Crimea to its composition, against Putin. This is not a fantasy, it is a reality. Even in the pro-Russian Poltava, it would seem that the population voluntarily digs trenches and trenches to defend against the “Muscovites”, and the reserve officers massively voluntarily enroll for service in the new army and the National Guard under, calling this process “anti-Putin appeal.”

And now let's think about the meaning of the phrases of O. von Bismarck. Of course, this is the natural desire of the Germans (and not only) to tear Russia to pieces. But the installation “to find and cultivate traitors among the elite” is far from worthy of any country. They do not say that about Belarus and its elite. And the contemptuous word "moskal" is not in use by any nation that was part of the Russian Empire and the USSR. But in Ukraine such an “elite” was found at all times. It means that something deep-seated anti-Russian has been laid, which does not recognize cultural-civilizational kinship with Orthodoxy and Russianness.

Let us quote another historical document - the US National Security Council Directive 20 / 1 of August 18 1948, which is a strategic plan for the destruction of the USSR. Ukraine and here, like Bismarck and Hitler, play the main role in the operation to destroy big Russia (USSR):

"Ukraine has no clear ethnic or geographical framework. Now the population of Ukraine, which mainly consists of people fleeing from Russian or Polish despotism, is quietly dissolved among the same Russians and Poles. There is no clear border between Russians and Ukrainians, and its not possible. Cities on the territory of Ukraine were mostly Russian or Jewish. So the basis of a sense of national identity is a sense of "difference" ....

This feeling of "otlichiya", Ukrainian peculiarity and is manifested in Ukrainian politics of all kinds and levels. And not only in relation to Russia, but also to its own citizens, even those who have 100% of Ukrainian blood, but are Orthodox or not suffering from the syndrome of Nazism. So talking about a single Ukrainian nation, apparently not entirely correct. The national is based on a common language, culture, religion, territory of residence, goal-setting of a common destiny. In Ukraine, at least two cultural - civilization matrices are actively present. One is Orthodox Slavic, identical to Russian civilization, feeling itself a part of Russia-Eurasia. And these are really our brothers, with whom it is possible and necessary to build a common spiritual, political and economic space. Russia is the geopolitical center of Eurasia, and its future is not in the West, but in the Eurasian Union. But are Ukrainians ready to become Eurasians? Perhaps, besides Donbass and Lugansk, no other region of Ukraine in the Eurasian direction is yet unfolding. It will require brutal violence from the Kiev-Bandera junta, poverty and hunger, with complete indifference from the same-sex governments of Europe, the dictatorial arrogance of the United States, before the south and east of Ukraine turn to Eurasia. N.S.Trubetskoy on the same occasion stated: "Every citizen of a Eurasian state must realize not only that he belongs to such a people, but also that this same people belongs to a Eurasian nation." (Trubetskoy NS On true and false nationalism. / / The legacy of Genghis Khan //. Sofia, 1921).

Today, the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians do not associate themselves with either Asia or Eurasia, Europe is closer to them, Russia is also close, but as part of Europe. They can be designated as the heirs of Kievan Rus, they are people of high culture, people are basically Orthodox. In this environment, the sense of Ukrainian nationalism, of the Ukrainian individuality, is strongly developed, which, given their moderate manifestation, is quite normal, because there can be no nations without nationalism. But they want to be "independent" from Russia and from Europe. For Russians, they become brothers during a war, when they are involved in big ambitious projects, when Russia thrives in its development, when crisis or fascism is rampant in Europe. Unfortunately, today we do not have large-scale joint projects; Russia is far from an example of prosperity; Fortunately, there is no exterminatory war. And we need to take this geopolitical factor into account in our policy. In Ukraine, there is also a third matrix - this is the limitrop. Like the Balts, the Poles, the Georgians, etc. What is a limitrop? This is the absence of a clear cultural and civilizational self-identification, a semi-culture, when the values ​​of other cultures, incompatible with the national value scale, are strongly interwoven into the national culture. Or values ​​are replaced by the interests of elites. Moreover, the external "values" are the "values" of the occupiers: cruelty, violence, merciless exploitation, robbery. So, in limitrofs, there is always inconsistency in political orientation, the manifestation of a surrogate for different cultures, or the absence of culture as such. True, in my opinion, this moment was noticed by GV from Europe. Vernadsky: “On the contrary, the influence of the West was at this time (the period of Kievan Rus — LI) in many ways degrading and weakening. there is political order and calm, reinforcing elements of strife and instability. " (Vernadsky GV Experience of the history of Eurasia. Links of Russian culture. // M., Association of scientific publications KMK. 2005, p. 115). With the next change of political orientations, in order to earn the trust of a new “chosen one”, hostility, extraordinary cruelty, rejection of even advantageous cooperation is manifested in relation to the former. We clearly observed this during the Great Patriotic War: the Baltic and Ukrainian Nazis acted against the Soviet troops and civilians of their own countries more cruelly than the German fascists. To curry favor and prove his lackey loyalty. We see the same thing in today's Ukraine. The junta, which seized power in Kiev, unquestioningly submits to any American and European nonentities.

What is the future of Ukraine? It has never been, and never will be, because the territorial integrity is determined, first of all, by the cultural and civilization unity and the common value scale of the peoples living in it. Therefore, the process launched by the Maidan is a process of gradual disengagement of the Ukrainian population and territories.

According to the results of the referendum in the Donbass and Lugansk, the "divorce proceedings" of these areas with the Kiev Maidan and the procedure for reunification with the Russian Federation will begin. But not in the Crimean, but rather in the Abkhaz variant, i.e. through the proclamation of independence. And only then (1 – 2 of the year) - a new referendum on joining the Russian Federation on the Crimean variant. And Russia is obliged to support this process in every way, because it is the return to the homeland of their sons, who were once devotees by it. This is our holy duty and redemption of guilt. Other areas will wish to follow this example, but due to internal contradictions within the regions, as well as the efforts of Kiev and the West to curb the Crimean syndrome, there will be no chain reaction. Having received relative autonomy and promises, other southeastern regions will temporarily calm down before the onset of a new phase.

The next stage: a new rebellious wave can occur not only in the South and East of Ukraine, but primarily in the West, along the conditional line of the Orthodox-Catholic border and end with heavy protest actions, and probably with new referendums. The basis may be confessional disputes, repressive measures of the new authorities, a sharp decline in living standards against the background of the positive achievements of the Crimea, Donbas and Lugansk. It does not exclude the introduction of a limited contingent of NATO troops, which will calm the situation for a while.

The third stage: Ukraine - the Federal State. Three or four republics. West - with the capital in Lviv, Center - with the capital in Kiev, East - with the capital in Kharkov, South - with Dnepropetrovsk.

And with NATO troops on the Dnieper.

Possible nuances. For example, not federalization, but the complete independence of the above-mentioned subjects due to the complete economic collapse and internal hostility of the oligarchy who seized power in federal subjects. And then a part of the “independent” states can turn towards unity with Russia in the form of a “union state”. This requires the powerful multi-dimensional work of Russian state institutions and public organizations. One of the likely scenarios would be to squeeze out the “gad-bit zapadentsev” together with the capital Lvov, from the “Square” and the subsequent acquisition of western territories by European applicants, Poland in the first place.

Such are the geopolitical realities, you need to be ready for them, and most importantly - to force the construction of the Eurasian Union. Without Ukraine. Bismarck was also wrong many times.
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  1. Bootlegger
    Bootlegger 23 May 2014 17: 33
    +32
    it's time in Canada Maidan and the elections on the American recipe stir up-freedom of Ontaria and the oppression of Canadian henchmen
    1. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 23 May 2014 22: 48
      +3
      I think RUSSIA will leave an enlightened zapodnyy to reconsider their views on the world, of course it is difficult to change points of view, but we will help, well, we won’t want to! THE TRUTH IS WITH US. hi
  2. X Y Z
    X Y Z 23 May 2014 17: 42
    +12
    And with NATO troops on the Dnieper.


    This cannot be allowed in any case!
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 23 May 2014 19: 48
      +3
      Quote: XYZ
      And with NATO troops on the Dnieper.


      This cannot be allowed in any case!

      I believe that if this happens, it will be short-lived, many times shorter than in Iraq or Afghanistan, and not on a large scale. NATO and, most importantly, the United States for this already have neither the resources nor the time until the aggravation of its own internal problems, primarily economic. The agony is not too long. The collapse of the Western (American) model of the world order and, first of all, the dollar financial system has already begun.
      1. Thompson
        Thompson 24 May 2014 01: 27
        0
        Quote: PENZYAC
        I believe that if this happens, it will be short-lived, many times shorter than in Iraq or Afghanistan, and not on a large scale. NATO and, most importantly, the United States for this already have neither the resources nor the time until the aggravation of its own internal problems, primarily economic. The agony is not too long. The collapse of the Western (American) model of the world order and, first of all, the dollar financial system has already begun.

        I’m thinking that if the USSR was an aggressor of Ukraine, let them return all the lands, except Crimea, which they passed to them! freeloaders ... removed the mat
  3. SibRUS
    SibRUS 23 May 2014 17: 42
    +23
    Ukraine will no longer be in a modern historical format.
  4. saag
    saag 23 May 2014 17: 45
    +8
    "East - with the capital in Kharkov"
    Unworthy and that's it, there are more worthy business candidates who have shown themselves
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 23 May 2014 19: 52
      +2
      Quote: saag
      "East - with the capital in Kharkov"
      Unworthy and that's it, there are more worthy business candidates who have shown themselves

      More worthy candidates are no longer Ukraine, but in the future they can reunite with Russia as a full part of it.
  5. Elena
    Elena 23 May 2014 17: 47
    +10
    Trudnaja tema: nu6no vsegda bit gotovim k lubomu raskladu, xotelos bi stob vibili banderovzev iz kieva, no xvatit li cil u ugo-vostoka?
    1. smile
      smile 23 May 2014 18: 21
      +7
      Elena
      Fair question. I think that the Southeast will not begin to restore order in the Center, since they really do not have enough strength or resources, including money. Yes, and it’s not worthwhile to go there so far in view of the population totally propagandized in an independent spirit. Anyway, bye. There is a possibility that when Ukraine suffers a complete collapse, they themselves will throw Bandera out there - famine helps to clear the brains of nationalist propaganda. However, I do not believe that in the foreseeable future the Center will want us.
      1. Elena
        Elena 23 May 2014 19: 53
        +2
        Zvu4it logi4no, dovolno ubeditelno. Nu sto6 'podo6dem, mo6et rasberuza sami, Kto. Prav kto vinovat iv 4em!
  6. igordok
    igordok 23 May 2014 17: 48
    +10
    A selection from LiveJournal at http://nyka-huldra.livejournal.com/




    International Trade Union Confederation data. Worst jobs in the world for workers: Ukraine, CAR, Libya
  7. Good cat
    Good cat 23 May 2014 17: 51
    +10
    Weighted article, without unnecessary hatred, cheering patriotism and pink snot.
    1. yushch
      yushch 23 May 2014 20: 18
      +2
      I do not always agree with the statements of Ivashov, but here I completely agree with his conclusions.
    2. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 23 May 2014 20: 56
      +1
      Quote: Good cat
      Weighted article, without unnecessary hatred, cheering patriotism and pink snot.

      The future of Ukraine ....
      I would like to recall one funny episode that happened at a meeting between Vladimir Putin and German businessmen. “You don’t want gas, you don’t develop nuclear energy, and what, you will, heat wood?” We also need to go to Siberia for firewood. You see, you don’t even have firewood, ”the Russian leader joked to the loud laughter of German businessmen in November 2010 ...
  8. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 23 May 2014 17: 55
    +18
    Eh, it’s not for nothing that in Soviet times there was a joke:
    1 is a moonshiner.
    2 Ukrainians - partisan detachment.
    3 Ukrainians-a partisan detachment with a traitor ....

    ps I myself - so I can afford to tell similar jokes ....
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    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 23 May 2014 18: 14
      +4
      Quote: DanSabaka
      I can afford to tell similar jokes ..

      Jokes = it invigorates, but what about the first item on your list?
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        andj61
        andj61 23 May 2014 22: 14
        +1
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        Anecdotes = it invigorates

        Cheer up more:
        [quote The reference of the Ukrainian:
        -Hloptsi, - try to odyn severely - matskali in the middle of you?
        -Ni, nemae.
        - Are you sure nema matskal?
        -So, nemae.
        -Well, then let's switch to Russian, it's more convenient ..]
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  • avia1991
    avia1991 24 May 2014 01: 35
    0
    Quote: 11111mail.ru
    and as with paragraph one

    Strelkov complained in one of his comments that a lot of "civilized" people shied away during shelling along the streets of Slavyansk, mostly "by blueprint" ..
  • Leader
    Leader 23 May 2014 17: 57
    +14
    Not to say "open your eyes" ...
    Finally, at least someone "at the top" dared to admit (in a whisper for now) that we have no "brothers" worse than the Ukrainians.
    A failed geopolitical experiment is an artificially created country inhabited by inadequacies.
    But soon the kapets will come to her.
    There she is dear.
  • mig31
    mig31 23 May 2014 18: 02
    +4
    The junta must end, or else the lice will seize Russia, with the support of "our partners" ....
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 23 May 2014 23: 13
      0
      , otherwise it will seize like lice will Russia, with the support of "our partners" ....
      The American Vella Gulf Ticonderoga missile cruiser with the Aegis missile defense system on board entered the Black Sea. This was reported to ITAR-TASS by a source in the military-diplomatic corps.
      “Around 18:30 Moscow time, the cruiser completed the passage of the strait zone and entered the Black Sea,” he said.
      Earlier in Washington, it was confirmed that a warship would enter the Black Sea this week. It was noted that the launch of the ship was timed to coincide with the presidential election scheduled for May 25 in Ukraine and was intended to support the actions of the new Ukrainian government.
      The Vella Gulf is armed with Tomahawk cruise missiles, ASROC anti-submarine missiles, as well as Standard-2 and Standard-3 anti-aircraft guided missiles (a total of 122 missiles). The cruiser is based on two multi-purpose helicopters. The ship has a length of 172 m, a width of 16 m, the total displacement of the ship is 9800 tons. The maximum speed Vella Gulf - more than 30 knots.

      So already tightened, bastards ...
  • paul1992
    paul1992 23 May 2014 18: 03
    +1
    In some ways, the author is right ...
  • talnax7
    talnax7 23 May 2014 18: 09
    +4
    I apologize for cynicism but for me to bomb Kiev this is nonsense But for our children and grandchildren maybe? They will not blame us for inaction? (What we have not done and will owe) everything is in our hands
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 23 May 2014 18: 10
    +12
    Well, finally, someone "told" the truth that the inevitability of the collapse of the USSR is FALSE! Let in a "half composition", but the USSR would have survived if it had not been destroyed by mudaki Yeltsin, Shushkevich, Kravchuk. After all, there are several republics declared their "independence" only after the "liquidation" of the union state by the aforementioned mu ---- mi. It seemed disgusting to listen to Shakhrai when he "proved" the right of the RSFSR, Ukrainian SSR, BSSR to liquidate the USSR. "Proof" was that that the USSR created the RSFSR, Belarus, Ukraine, the Transcaucasian ... republic. And since the Transcaucasian republic is long gone, then it became possible to "figure out" for three. And it would be true if the entire USSR consisted of the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, The BSSR. But this "proof" is a blatant lie, for the USSR consisted of 15 republics, including the republics that were once the subjects of the Transcaucasian republic.
  • soyuz-nik
    soyuz-nik 23 May 2014 18: 14
    +15
    Good health, I wish! hi

    There is such wisdom: communicate with enemies as potential friends, and with friends - as potential enemies.

    It was also said that all boundaries lie in the brains of people. Be it national, territorial or others.

    I believe that in order to find an enemy - a simple matter, but finding and saving a friend is the most difficult.

    In any case, the USSR was buried in vain. I voted for the Union in the April 1991 referendum. It is clear that in the former guise, the revival of the Union is not realistic. But I still hope that after a long divorce (in which the political and other "elites" of the republics of the USSR are primarily to blame), we will nevertheless be reunited into something more "with a human face"!

    You need to search for what unites us. Separation is impoverished. Unfortunately, in Ukraine now they are intensely looking for the extreme .... It is always easiest to blame your neighbor for your troubles, railways, railways, narrow-eyed, etc., but not yourself .....

    May the Force be with us!
    1. andj61
      andj61 23 May 2014 22: 20
      +3
      I fully support you! In the same way, he voted for the Union, not only in the April, but in the March referendum in 1991. Then about 78% voted for the Union with 80% turnout. The collapse of the USSR was contrary to the will of the people!
    2. Yura
      Yura 23 May 2014 23: 00
      +1
      Quote: soyuz-nik
      I believe that in order to find an enemy - a simple matter, but finding and saving a friend is the most difficult.

      For a long time already somewhere I read this: "A person does not choose his parents, they do not choose from God, they do not choose brothers and sisters from God, she does not choose a wife either from God, he himself only chooses friends and most often makes mistakes." ...
    3. jktu66
      jktu66 24 May 2014 00: 33
      +1
      It’s always easiest to blame your neighbor for your troubles, train, railway, narrow-eyed, etc., but not yourself .....
      Typical behavior of immature individuals. I would never have thought before that the laws of communication apply not only to individuals individually, but to entire states.
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought 23 May 2014 18: 16
    +9
    At the moment, Russia needs a neutral Ukraine, but within the borders of the 18 century. And the territories that did not enter Ukraine should move to Russia.
    1. Tor hummer
      Tor hummer 23 May 2014 19: 30
      0
      Quote: Giant thought
      At the moment, Russia needs a neutral Ukraine, but within the borders of the 18 century. And the territories that did not enter Ukraine should move to Russia.

      I agree:
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 23 May 2014 20: 13
      +1
      Quote: Giant thought
      At the moment, Russia needs a neutral Ukraine, but within the borders of the 18 century. And the territories that did not enter Ukraine should move to Russia.

      Neutral Ukraine - nonsense! Russia needs Ukraine either as an ally or as part of Russia (the southwestern outskirts of Russia), that is, no way. Otherwise, Ukraine will inevitably be pro-Western, therefore anti-Russian, that is, our enemy. Do we need this?
  • 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 23 May 2014 18: 16
    +3
    The outlook is positive. In a year we’ll see if it justified itself?
    1. jktu66
      jktu66 24 May 2014 00: 40
      +2
      The outlook is positive. In a year we’ll see if it justified itself?

      The unsupported Russophobic hysteria of Ukrainians and "Western partners" will decline without options. The GDP from China brought not only the gas contract, but to some extent the Eastern policy of "soft power". Let's take a look and calmly work in our interests and directions.
  • JACTUS RECTUS
    JACTUS RECTUS 23 May 2014 18: 19
    +6
    Here is the future of Ukraine. A happy European future.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 23 May 2014 19: 44
      +8
      Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
      Here is the future of Ukraine. A happy European future.

      This is not the future - this is the present
  • LEE WAN
    LEE WAN 23 May 2014 18: 40
    .
    In contrast to the degrading Putin EREFii, Ukraine has someone in the world to support ... So this is still a very big question: who will join and to whom. Russia's position is aggravated by the fact that all of its "presidents" without exception have worked and are working for the interests of the State Department. The Crimean adventure, thanks to which the West was presented with the image of the enemy in the form of Putin's EREFiya and, in addition, all of Ukraine, is another confirmation of this. As soon as possible after the presidential elections in Ukraine, the South-East will be cleared of EREF saboteurs and separatists and, in the foreseeable future, a NATO monitoring station for the European part of Russia and other NATO facilities will appear in the Sumy region.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 23 May 2014 18: 44
      +13
      Quote: LEE WAN
      Unlike the degrading Putin's EREF, Ukraine has someone in the world to support ...

      Unlike dill, forever standing with outstretched hand, Russia supports itself and is very successful
      Crimean adventure, thanks to which the West was presented with the image of the enemy in the form of Putin’s EREF and in addition to all of Ukraine,

      And how much can remain of this Ukraine, and in the near future?
      1. LEE WAN
        LEE WAN 23 May 2014 19: 06
        .
        1) Ukraine in terms of area is the largest country in Europe after the Russian Federation. 2) About the "successes" of EREF: http://refru.ru/rr300.pdf
        1. a52333
          a52333 23 May 2014 19: 48
          +13
          Three months maydanutsya in power - minus three areas.
          More Hungary on. Transcarpathia sharpenes its teeth
        2. nstarinsky
          nstarinsky 23 May 2014 19: 49
          +11
          And what privileges do you think the size of the geometric area gives? And if not privileges, then maybe political advantages? I look at Japan and compare life there, with life in Ukraine. Comparison is in favor of Japan. Their several reactors melted - and no one whimpered. Cleaned and went on. Or maybe the size of the territory gives more reasons for hatred of neighboring states and peoples? Maybe there is an Internet link to this account?
          1. LEE WAN
            LEE WAN 23 May 2014 22: 15
            -8
            1) A perfect basis for hatred of neighbors is the theft of a piece from the territory! One of the tasks that the Western rival - Vovik solved in the interests of his overseas masters through the Crimean adventure - to trample the friendly relations between the fraternal peoples of Russia and Ukraine. 2) If you take into account the area of ​​Putin's EREFII, then your ideas about a directly proportional relationship between the area and aggressive behavior may be quite close to the truth ...
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 24 May 2014 01: 55
              +3
              Quote: LEE WAN
              to crush friendly relations between the fraternal peoples of Russia and Ukraine.

              Oh, how quickly priorities change! So we are already "brothers" ?! I don’t remember such a relative ..
              Quote: LEE WAN
              A perfect basis for hatred of neighbors is the theft of a piece from the territory!

              Moreover, he has absolutely no idea about the history of the "fraternal" state, on which he diligently sprinkles saliva! Okay, okay, well done: go to Victoria Nuland's - earned a cookie wassat
        3. jovanni
          jovanni 23 May 2014 20: 35
          +8
          Well, a large area, this is not the merit of the Ukrainians. Rather, it features features of the broad Russian soul. But due to the chronic brain deficit in Ukraine, this area is rapidly declining. And while the people of Ukraine will spend the rest of their intellectual potential on inventing idiotic tales and horror stories about their neighbors, and not on creating a truly prosperous and caring country for all their citizens, this area will melt ... Moreover, not only from the East.
        4. Lukich
          Lukich 23 May 2014 20: 38
          +13
          Quote: LEE WAN
          1) Ukraine by area is the largest country in Europe after the Russian Federation.

          but walks around the world with outstretched hand
          1. LEE WAN
            LEE WAN 23 May 2014 22: 27
            -5
            But EREFiya acts "wisely": it buys Western securities with petrodollars with a yield approaching zero and at the same time takes out loans in the West at a wild interest rate!
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 24 May 2014 01: 59
              +4
              Quote: LEE WAN
              buys western securities

              Well yes! And only one case turned out to be unprofitable: when they decided to help the "fraternal" Outskirts, and bought state hohlyatsky bonds for as much as 3 lard of greenery! .. Schaub, you did not die of hunger there.
        5. Penzyac
          Penzyac 23 May 2014 20: 44
          +7
          Quote: LEE WAN
          1) Ukraine in terms of area is the largest country in Europe after the Russian Federation. 2) About the "successes" of EREF: http://refru.ru/rr300.pdf

          It is better to learn about the successes of Russia personally. Go and see. At the same time, you will earn some money. Just don't voice your current thoughts in Russia, you won't like the answer. "Echo of Moscow", by the way, broadcasts freely in most cities of Russia (there are no media in opposition to the junta at all, even under Yanukovych), you shouldn't listen either, they have the same owner and sponsor as your Nalyvaichenko and Turchinov.
          1. LEE WAN
            LEE WAN 23 May 2014 22: 30
            -7
            Tell me, please: where exactly to learn about the successes of Putin’s EREFII: on Rublevka or in the villages of Pskov, Bryansk, Tverskaya and then on the list of regions?
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        7. silver169
          silver169 24 May 2014 02: 21
          0
          Quote: LEE WAN
          By area, Ukraine is the largest country in Europe after


          Was ... wink
      2. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 23 May 2014 21: 51
        +7
        Quote: Russ69
        Quote: LEE WAN

        Unlike dill, forever standing with outstretched hand, Russia supports itself and is very successful
        Crimean adventure, thanks to which the West was presented with the image of the enemy in the form of Putin’s EREF and in addition to all of Ukraine,

        1. LEE WAN
          LEE WAN 23 May 2014 22: 32
          -5
          I hope that his offspring, studying in the USA and going to stay there permanently, will not forget "The Great and Mighty ..."
    2. a52333
      a52333 23 May 2014 19: 09
      +10
      ... without exception, all of its "presidents" have worked and are working for the interests of the State Department.

      Obama doesn’t think so. He turned gray poor over the past half year
      .Ukraine has someone in the world to support.

      And we, by the way, noticed. They gave you money. What not yet? Well, wait, right after Ishach Easter.
      They provided military assistance. Donald Cook, still no deck of shit washed.
      Your Zolotishko accepted for Storage lol
      1. LEE WAN
        LEE WAN 23 May 2014 22: 33
        -6
        I also love fairy tales ...
    3. JACTUS RECTUS
      JACTUS RECTUS 23 May 2014 20: 24
      +9
      You have chosen the wrong site to demonstrate your ignorance. Go to the sites of "Svidomo" or "liberasts" there your revelations will be glad and all sorts of "onizhedeti" will give you a lot of likes.
      1. LEE WAN
        LEE WAN 23 May 2014 22: 34
        -4
        I hope that you have already begun the fight against your ignorance by following the link I have indicated ...
    4. Penzyac
      Penzyac 23 May 2014 20: 27
      +7
      Quote: LEE WAN
      ...

      Such "friends" as those of Ukraine - no enemies are needed.
      Tick, Svidomo boy to Canada, before it's too late. And do not watch Ukrainian TV.
      1. LEE WAN
        LEE WAN 23 May 2014 22: 36
        -4
        Russia and Ukraine have common "friends". It was they who quarreled the two fraternal peoples ...
        1. mihman
          mihman 24 May 2014 00: 38
          +2
          Maybe explain to me why in Russia they are looking for uniting roots with Ukrainian brothers through the centuries, and in Ukraine they always boast of their independence, isolation from Russia (after all, there is no such thing with Belarusians). They turned the whole history, renounced their past with Russia (sometimes heroic) .This is evidenced by the entire path of the "Square" in more than 20 years. They refused, pushed away everything that connected us. Well, Russia is a just uniting VECTOR country! no matter where Uraina will be! Only where will she be? I have no doubt that there are many decent and thinking people in Ukraine ...
        2. O_RUS
          O_RUS 24 May 2014 00: 42
          +6
          Quote: LEE WAN
          Russia and Ukraine have common "friends". It was they who quarreled the two fraternal peoples ..


          I myself am a resident of Kiev, but thank God, the Russians helped settle in Russia ...
          I will not convince you of the opposite, but I will remind you of some facts

          1 - the Ukrainian has always had a "touch" of nationalism
          2 - the Ukrainian longed to live without Moscow ...
          3 - but the independence played a cruel joke with the Ukrainian .... degradation in all areas
          4 - Ukrainian stole gas from Russia
          ...
          In Russia, not long ago, but I have never seen or heard that in Russia a brother steals from his brother. But the Ukrainian allowed himself this.
        3. avia1991
          avia1991 24 May 2014 02: 05
          +3
          Quote: LEE WAN
          It was they who quarreled two fraternal peoples ...

          Shaw, such "zaslantsy" are frequenting our site .. Not otherwise, things in dill are completely out of hand! They don't know where to throw themselves.
          You, "bro", by the way, why did you come with such a break? Especially waited a couple of hours in order to "shit" in response in a calm atmosphere, and quickly slip away? How would "the last word still be mine"? Will not work, the last Bandera! Rub your fingers on the keys!
    5. APASUS
      APASUS 23 May 2014 20: 35
      +9
      Quote: LEE WAN
      Unlike the degrading Putin EREFiya, Ukraine has someone in the world to support ... So this is still a very big question: who will join and to whom. Russia's position is aggravated by the fact that all of its "presidents" without exception have worked and are working for the interests of the State Department. The Crimean adventure, thanks to which the West was presented with the image of the enemy in the form of Putin's EREFiya and, in addition, the whole of Ukraine, is another confirmation of this

      If you omit all these snot about Western help and who has degraded more, you just have to look at the numbers, so to speak, dry statistics.
      GDP per capita and purchasing power parity (PPP) is the most accurate characteristic that determines the level of economic development, as well as economic growth. All indicators for comparability are expressed in a single currency - the US dollar. Converting from national currencies to dollars, as is customary in the IMF and the World Bank in international economic comparisons, is carried out not at market exchange rates of currencies, but at purchasing power parities.
      GDP of 2013 Ukraine - $ 8478
      GDP 2013 Russia - $ 23589
      And the same Germany - $ 42700 or France's GDP - $ 36785
      This is why such a fright the EU will drop its business and begin to restore the economy of Ukraine ??
      1. LEE WAN
        LEE WAN 23 May 2014 22: 21
        -4
        The determining indicator of the standard of living in the state is an indicator of the quality of life. Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D
        1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B8
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 24 May 2014 09: 04
          +1
          Quote: LEE WAN
          The determining indicator of the standard of living in the state is an indicator of the quality of life. Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D

          1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B8

          I have not seen a more delusional article !!!!!!!!!!
          If we proceed from this calculation methodology, I copied it to you
          The study uses nine quality of life factors to determine country ratings. [1]. The following is a description of the indicators that were taken into account when compiling the rating:
          Health: Life expectancy (in years). Source: US Census Bureau
          Family life: Divorce rate (per 1 people), a rating from 1 (few divorces) to 5 (many divorces). Sources: UN; Euromonitor
          Social life: The variable takes the value 1 if the country has a high level of church attendance or union membership. Source: World Values ​​Survey
          Material well-being: GDP per capita, Purchasing power parity. Source: Economist Intelligence Unit
          Political Stability and Security: Ratings of Political Stability and Security. Source: Economist Intelligence Unit
          Climate and geography: Latitude, to distinguish between cold and hot climates. Source: CIA World Factbook
          Job Security: Unemployment Rate (Percentage). Source: Economist Intelligence Unit
          Political Freedom: The average index of political and civil freedom. Scale from 1 (completely free) to 7 (not free). Source: Freedom House
          Gender Equality: Measured by dividing the average salary of men by the salary of women. Source: UNDP Human Development Report

          Then explain to me unsuspecting at what level Greece, which almost became bankrupt in this list, is higher than Germany and France, countries that are leaders in many respects.
          By what interesting indicators Ukraine is ahead of Belarus, and to say that Russia by your standards is located next to Uzbekistan and Nigeria is generally ridiculous!
          I was in Lagos Nigeria last year, I can tell you what the material well-being of the people of Nigeria means by itself.
          Maybe you will still start to answer questions and not send me links. Last time I asked you
          This is why such a fright the EU will drop its business and begin to restore the economy of Ukraine ??
    6. sinukvl
      sinukvl 23 May 2014 21: 25
      +6
      They have already supported Iraq, Libya also supported, Egypt again supported and as a result, two countries slipped into early feudalism, and the third is still in fever. So they will support you, so slide into the Stone Age. And about cleaning nude nudes, Some dicks from "Donbass" have already promised this, well, where is that "Donbass" now.
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 23 May 2014 21: 42
        +3
        The dear comrade simply wants skulls on shoulder straps.
      2. LEE WAN
        LEE WAN 23 May 2014 22: 38
        -3
        They are digging for Russia ... And "our" authorities are playing along with them ...
    7. WARRIOR77
      WARRIOR77 23 May 2014 22: 56
      +3
      In my opinion, I don’t remember that the residents of "EREFIA" went to work in Ukraine (well, if only by TOPs to large industrial enterprises, because (they) do not have enough of their own), but your fellow countrymen are probably a little less than Jamshuts will be....
    8. WARRIOR77
      WARRIOR77 23 May 2014 22: 56
      +2
      In my opinion, I don’t remember that the residents of "EREFIA" went to work in Ukraine (well, if only by TOPs to large industrial enterprises, because (they) do not have enough of their own), but your fellow countrymen are probably a little less than Jamshuts will be....
    9. jktu66
      jktu66 24 May 2014 00: 45
      +2
      in the Sumy region, a NATO tracking station for the European part of Russia and other NATO facilities will appear.
      Well, the anti-fascist movement in Ukraine will be where to show itself winked
    10. avia1991
      avia1991 24 May 2014 01: 46
      +2
      Quote: LEE WAN
      As soon as possible after the presidential elections in Ukraine, the South-East will be cleared of the EREF saboteurs and separatists and

      I will not write much, but short - the navel will be untied! And it would be better for you, Nazi henchman, to bring your overseas sponsor to the dirty boot, because your "outstanding" words here can only cause a healthy cackle!
      Considering that professional pride was hurt, I would also add that if there were Russian saboteurs on the territory of the DPR as part of at least one DRG, the "Donbass battalion" would lie in full force under the "200" stamp. HAPPY THAT WE ARE NOT ABOUT US!
    11. avia1991
      avia1991 24 May 2014 01: 50
      +2
      Quote: LEE WAN
      big question: who will join and to whom

      Not a drop is big! You will join Conchita directly - it is clearly in your taste!
  • nstarinsky
    nstarinsky 23 May 2014 18: 50
    +15
    Good article. With accents and priorities, she also ties today's events to history. And in such a way, which explains some of the "unexplained" steps of Ukraine in the not too distant past for us. With one I just can not agree. I was born in Lviv and sped away from there after leaving school. Studying at a Russian school in Western Ukraine, perforce, you will plunge into the national politics of the region. And here is what I want to say about this. From all sides, there are massive discussions today about the artificial origin of Ukrainians. And this is a very dangerous assumption. There are examples in the world when new nationalities arose in an even shorter period. For example, the mestizos of Canada, in this case a mixture of white and local Indians (not to be confused with another mix!). After long conversations, they received nationality status. So, whether we want it or not, the Ukrainian nation was formed at a time when territories were not occupied by other peoples. And if there are no external differences, then the language is definitely special. The Western-Ukrainian dialect is not an example of a grammatically correct Ukrainian, but in terms of its size it is a small land with a distorted history. So, the Ukrainian language has been around for a long time. Folklore folk - special. A nation has a place to be! Whether it is friendly today or not is a matter of momentary politics. Even if we assume for a moment that someone there still considers themselves "brother" and "sister", this does not change the fact that there are a huge number of people who have long considered themselves NOT RUSSIAN. It is useless to deny this fact and veil it with the roots of history. Since the Ukrainians themselves have already decided for themselves to be precisely Ukrainians. Where do they live now? And where they do not touch anyone, and nobody - them. The second question is whether the nation of Ukrainians is homogeneous? The answer is no! And it is still difficult, if at all possible, to be united Ukraine. Ukraine could not raise worthy far-sighted, patriots with a sensitive political soul. And this has been ruining them for many years. This is precisely one of the reasons for the wildest corruption of all levels. I will allow myself to say that corruptionism or its spiritual acceptance is a national feature of Ukrainian character. I will not conduct parallels with the Russian people, since here we will leave for unnecessary debate aside from Ukraine. It is better to mention corruption in India and China and dwell on this issue. Does Russia need to support the people of Ukraine? It should! But only that part of it that turned out to be there temporarily as a result of historical football. Will the rest of the country be hostile to Russia? Absolutely! This is the core of modern Ukrainian identity. Will there be NATO? Will be! Well, to hell with it! They are already on the Russian borders in other "friendly" fragments of the USSR. The problem is not to keep NATO close. The problem is in NATO itself. He has outlived himself. And as an old senile growls and spits at all, clutching a nuclear case to his coughing chest. The task of Russia today is to build its future in such a way that this organization would die its death.
    1. Black
      Black 23 May 2014 20: 53
      +2
      Quote: nstarinsky
      The task of Russia today is to build its future in such a way that this organization would die its death


      You can argue with some points in your comment.
      - language, perhaps, a distinctive feature of the NATION, but not defining. I am a Cossack, and our hutor is very peculiar, but we are part of the Russian people, who think differently, act differently - an enemy, if not conscious, then with a fool.
      - NATO is at the borders !!! _ and x .. with it ??? and tomorrow they will arrange a maidan in Kazakhstan, and there too x ... with them ???
      You know, as in the film ... "- to kill you right away or will you suffer ?? - It is desirable to suffer !!!"
      We will fight again.

      And here are your words, golden words !!! Plus to you.
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 23 May 2014 21: 46
        +1
        As for the dialect, I left Kostroma to study in Ivanovo, so they laugh at me, and I am above them.
  • b.t.a.
    b.t.a. 23 May 2014 19: 06
    +6
    and at the union they said that they feed Russia. During the perestroika, the loudest shouted for selfhood. What kind of brothers I don’t understand. There will be time, Russia will rise, so they will again be asked to take?
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 23 May 2014 20: 55
      +2
      Quote: B.T.A.
      and at the union they said that they feed Russia. During the perestroika, the loudest shouted for selfhood. What kind of brothers I don’t understand. There will be time, Russia will rise, so they will again be asked to take?

      Well, take it, we are kind, but not right away. Only gradually, step by step, making sure that we take no freeloaders and non-hiding enemies.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 23 May 2014 19: 13
    +2
    Quote: Leader
    Finally, at least someone "at the top" dared to admit (in a whisper for now) that we have no "brothers" worse than the Ukrainians.

    Probably they are preparing another step on the step of dividing peoples ... here with you (here it is faster, no one bothers you, you apparently have a party policy, partly an "answer to Chamberlain" of Ukrainian rhetoric)
    Regarding the article, if we discard the part that caused these emotions for "painful" or "they were the first to start" - then I can just as well write everything that Ukrainians are unhappy with in Russians - and I will also be right (not in everything, but emotionally as in this article)
    Here, the article is very one-sided only for the Russian Federation ... without taking into account the peculiarities of the "Ukrainian-Russian" friendship
  • Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 23 May 2014 19: 31
    0
    The author is in the subject and the article is good. I think not to allow "NATO on the Dnieper", but the main thing is propaganda and a minimum of contacts with the Westerners - the humpbacked grave will correct. And of course, their Judas on trial.
  • vladek64
    vladek64 23 May 2014 19: 53
    +9
    Today it’s also not worth the illusion that a handful of Banderaites have stirred up the Ukrainian people and seized power in Kiev, and the overwhelming majority of the population - for great friendship with Russia and almost for joining it. This is far from the case: the vast majority of the Ukrainian population is against Russia, against the return of Crimea to its structure, against Putin. This is not fantasy, this is reality.


    This is not reality, but virtual reality. All this "overwhelming majority of the population" thinks not with his head, but with a TV. When a "channel change" occurs on the TV, in a few months this "overwhelming majority of the population" will also switch. They will also be surprised and tell each other that it turns out that "the junta deceived them, but in fact it was not like that ..."

    This is very well understood in Kiev - it is not for nothing that they so severely banned Russian channels.

    So don't jump to conclusions. We must work with people "and people will be drawn to you."
    The current mood among the citizens of Ukraine is evidence that Russia is losing a lot in the information war. Well, you have to catch up and the mood will change.

    And do not follow stupid ideas:

    It will require brutal violence from the Kiev-Bandera junta, poverty and hunger, with complete indifference from the same-sex governments of Europe, the dictatorial impudence of the United States, before the south and east of Ukraine turn to Eurasia.


    This recipe will play against Russia rather than for. Many in Ukraine already have doubts that Russia considers the Ukrainian people fraternal. Doubts are that Russia is going to help the fraternal people, and not solve their issues at the expense of the Ukrainians. The picture is still fresh in my memory when a couple of months ago blood was pouring in Kiev, and Russia was enjoying the Olympics and did not react at all. Now ordinary Ukrainians do not understand Russia's relationship to the Donetsk and Lugansk republics.

    Moreover, a simple Ukrainian now does not understand what his future is in the Russian direction. About dairy rivers in the EU he buzz every day. But what is heard from Russia? Will Russia join the eastern regions to itself? Not. Russia says it’s not going to do this - it has enough of Crimea. Will New Russia be created? And what is it? Who will rule there? Who recognizes her? And where from the New Russia oligarchs get to? And if the oligarchs remain in New Russia, then what is better than today's Ukraine? No one speaks with Ukrainians from Russia about their future with Russia. Does this mean that Russia has no vision of this future? Then what attitude does Ukraine expect from the Ukrainians? Ukrainians see that Russia is resolving its issues in Ukraine (Crimea, DPR, LPR), but does not explain anything to Ukrainians. Ukrainians quite rightly conclude that Russia does not need them. Factories are needed, a military base is needed, a gas pipe is also needed, but the population is somehow not really. People die, burn alive (and doing so with Russian flags in their hands), but Russia is somehow not impressive.

    And if, after that, the recipe from the article (about violence, poverty and hunger) also goes into life, then it is for sure that the Ukrainians will be angry with Russia seriously. The TV will immediately tell you that "if Russia had not interfered with us, we would have flourished in Europe for a long time." And it won't be just garbage from the TV anymore. It will be real suffering and death of loved ones, for which the Ukrainians will blame Russia.

    So it’s not necessary to tell jokes about Ukrainians, but to work with people in Ukraine. Then the attitude towards Russia will be different.
  • Harin Oleg
    Harin Oleg 23 May 2014 19: 55
    +5
    I have been communicating with Ukrainians for 34 years - my wife is Ukrainian, by the way, from the places where the Right Sector runs. My parents, ethnic Russians: my mother is from Kirov, my father is from Perm, in the 80s of the last century, being of sound mind and sober memory, they moved to Ukraine for permanent residence. They were buried in those places, which are now called "Benderism" (and even earlier those places were not called differently, though for myself I only realized this the other day). I speak Ukrainian language worse than Russian, well, this is so, by the way. And how many Ukrainian friends I have! Although many of them are plague now, this is temporary. My wife and I live in Central Russia. I cannot agree with any thesis of the proposed article. Under Soviet rule, Ukraine, and its people, were absolutely adequate, there was no difference between Russians and Ukrainians (except for linguistic, and even then, the bulk of them spoke Russian, the rest. So, mocked the language: in the Ukrainian period of my life I tried You can read more in Ukrainian, and I was always surprised that library books in the language are mostly not read, and those in Russian were read out to rags). You can talk a lot about what happened to them (to the Ukrainians). It was difficult to call us fraternal peoples, but we have never been enemies. You can say a lot about what happened to us and who is to blame. But I believe that we, who call ourselves the Russian people, are to blame for what happened. And only we, and no one except us, will be able to sort out the current situation. There will be no Ukraine without us.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 24 May 2014 02: 20
      0
      Quote: Kharin Oleg
      There will be no Ukraine without us

      I agree with this, the rest, in my opinion, are emotions based precisely on old connections and memories. As for the article, read the history of the party, especially the biographies of the top officials: who, where, when .. You will be surprised how many people from Ukraine were! And the principle of "grab to sebe" was already actively used in the republic and country even then, under the USSR.
      The author is right, and - he doesn’t say that it is the Ukrainian people who are dirty? And what about the elite, that the appointed chiefs-leaders of the Khokhlyat nationality were always ready to snatch, steal, and blame the other - and even put the bandwagon ..
  • homosum20
    homosum20 23 May 2014 20: 36
    +3
    All, except for the Jews, have their nationality by their father. Dad was a Tatar. This is "Leonid Ivashov"
    says I'm worse than xoxla? it is a direct insult. I will answer adequately - he is a goat. I have lived all my life in the northwestern federal district. The native language is Russian. Malaya Rodina - Murmansk region.
    Do not compare me with ukr. You can get a pumpkin.
  • Lukich
    Lukich 23 May 2014 20: 55
    +5
    my friend was still a teenager in Kiev. so he told me with surprise that almost everyone speaks Russian there. and much later, I read somewhere that speaking Ukrainian was considered bad form. we spoke the same language, never paid attention to nationality. I served in the SA in the late 70s. many guys from Ukraine served with me. no disagreements, insults, emphasizing the significance of their nation. you tell him as a joke, in return you get and no offense. we served one Moldovan by the name of Shevchenko. so it instantly stuck to it. he didn’t take offense at all. but how they managed to fool people in such 23 years that we became enemies, the word b became a curse and an insult, I can’t understand ...
    1. Black
      Black 23 May 2014 21: 01
      +1
      Quote: Lukich
      I can’t understand ...


      You wonder in vain. If a person of 23 years old repeats that he is a pig, then perforce, he still grunts.
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 23 May 2014 21: 41
        +6
        Quote: Chen
        You wonder in vain. If a person of 23 years old repeats that he is a pig, then perforce, he still grunts.

        I understand with my mind, I can’t understand with my heart ...
  • Carlos
    Carlos 23 May 2014 20: 55
    +3
    Current realities say one thing: the western regions of Ukraine will never be with Russia. I won’t say for the center. And the west, in my opinion, will go to Poland. Lviv will become Lemberg, and the Poles will remember the Volyn massacre. But guilty of all the troubles of the Westerners (as well as the Baltic states ) will remain Russian. Such things.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 23 May 2014 21: 09
    +2
    Such are the geopolitical realities, you need to be ready for them, and most importantly - to force the construction of the Eurasian Union. Without Ukraine. Bismarck was also wrong many times.
    And here Bismarck, Ukraine is just as important for Russia as Sevastopol and Crimea are for the Black Sea Fleet. Crimea itself is vulnerable without the mainland. The role of the scientific and industrial potential of Ukraine for Russia is stupid not to understand, first of all it concerns our defense complex, and our army as a whole. The gas pipeline is important, safe and shortest transit, but even more important is the territory of Ukraine, its geopolitical factor. Finally, Ukraine is not something alien to us, it is our historical Motherland, the core of Russia. If they blinked, lost with ideology, so in Russia the fifth column gave rise to blaming Ukraine. So, to take, and give everything to zapadentsev, Bandera, the United States? Do you want a gun?
  • Black
    Black 23 May 2014 21: 10
    +2
    Quote: Carlos
    But the Russians will remain guilty of all the troubles of the Westerners (as well as the Baltic states). Such things.


    It is not the trouble that they consider. And let yourself rush about with the ideology of sub-creatures who build the community of a nation on hatred of another nation, especially to the one from whose hands they ate.
    Russia has a chance, Great Chance !!! without burdening themselves with ideological blinkers to truly build a Great State. Powerful economically, rich spiritually. And the future of Ukraine will directly depend on whether we can or deflate.
    We can - Ukraine is not going anywhere. We can’t - we’ll lose not only Ukraine, we’ll lose ourselves. In the meantime .... let them jump .... childhood illnesses pass quickly.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 23 May 2014 21: 30
    +1
    The article is good, a lot of emotions. Alas, without a bottom in any way, once again we cut to the living, once again we are convinced that the "Ukrainians" are exploiting our memory, Kiev is the Mother of Russian Cities. Once again, we are convinced that this is not so, people living in the territories that were once common to us do not give a damn about it, they parasitize on our memories. Rusks and water, that's all they deserve, maybe asceticism will somehow help them find themselves in this world, but without us Russians.
  • Harin Oleg
    Harin Oleg 23 May 2014 21: 57
    +1
    Quote: Lukich
    You wonder in vain. If a person of 23 years old repeats that he is a pig, then perforce, he still grunts. I’m kind of understanding, I can’t understand with my heart ...

    The heart is emotions. To understand and make the right decision, and not only to put it into practice, you need a cold mind. Simply put - the mind. Do not be offended, but the mind for the soldier is primary. Leave emotions to poets.
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 24 May 2014 00: 51
      +5
      Quote: Kharin Oleg
      Do not be offended, but the mind for the soldier is primary

      and did not think to be offended) but I'm not at war. Here are the emotions and play)
  • Kilo-11
    Kilo-11 23 May 2014 22: 18
    0
    Comrade Colonel-General wrote everything correctly, I agree! I never considered the inhabitants of the neighboring country brothers, and now even more so. Yes, there are our people there, so we need to support them, nothing more. I think we need a fairy tale that we need a "brotherly" Ukraine forget and not remember when! The entire industry and defense industry in particular, science was created and presented to them by the Soviet people, and the inhabitants of Ukraine created only the Maidan, it seems that there is simply not enough of them for more. Our industry must be restored and raised, but we are all whining, oh now there will be no missiles, and so on, and a bill on the allocation of $ 30 billion is also being discussed in the US Congress. for the revolution in our country in 2017. Now tell me where and with whom these "brothers" will be in 2017. Right with the US and NATO. During these three years, the US and NATO will restore their army, as it was already in Georgia and go ahead. ..... y.Yes and until 2017. they will create problems for us on our borders, in the western regions and in the Crimea. So, in my opinion, the fence should be started to build now, if not yesterday!
  • valery954
    valery954 23 May 2014 22: 26
    +1
    An explanatory and timely article.
  • polite people
    polite people 23 May 2014 22: 49
    +1
    Thoughts of a real Ukrainian Slav.
    Ukrainian pain
    We were divided into, I am the Nazi face, s and Ukrainians,
    handed the sword to go to brother,
    but we had one,
    one country was and Russia was rich!
    They wanted to split us so long ago, not
    such strength is beneficial to the enemy
    conceived to remove one link,
    but we know that Russia is invincible!
    May you know gentlemen,
    that we cannot be divided in the unity of Faith,
    God is behind us! The truth is behind us!
    And we will not bend our knees before you.
    Ukrainian people, wake up from a dream,
    do not let your enemy give us free rein
    we are Orthodox, which means there is a soul!
    And that means we are brothers!
    By faith and by blood !!! soldier
  • Lukich
    Lukich 24 May 2014 00: 16
    +5
    in vain maydauny Sabakashvili was invited to the Maidan. he could not keep his country from collapse, and helped the outskirts to fall apart
  • bda
    bda 24 May 2014 01: 10
    +1
    And Russia must this process is supported in every possible way, because it is the return of their sons, who were once devoted to her, to the Homeland. This is our holy duty and atonement.


    Unfortunately, sometimes there is an opinion that too many of those who belong to the current Russian elite do not even imagine such concepts as "duty", "duty", "holiness", etc.
  • bda
    bda 24 May 2014 01: 14
    +1
    against the background of the positive achievements of the Crimea, Donbass and Lugansk


    The international (including Ukrainian-international, and Russian-international) oligarchy will do everything in order to bring down the economy of Donetsk and Lugansk for sure, and Crimea, if possible.
  • bda
    bda 24 May 2014 01: 29
    +2
    Quote: vladek64
    Ukrainians see that Russia is resolving its issues in Ukraine (Crimea, DPR, LPR), but does not explain anything to Ukrainians.

    The bad news is that it doesn’t really explain to its citizens that in general we need from this Ukraine: like Crimea, we don’t abandon our own people, but how in Donbass people do not just stand with placards “we want to go to Russia”, as it was in Crimea, but they really go into battle to the death with St. George's ribbons on their clothes, so ... it's not clear - they are considered their own, or how?
  • bda
    bda 24 May 2014 01: 50
    +3
    Quote: Kharin Oleg
    I believe that we, who call themselves the Russian people, are to blame. And only we, and no one except us, will be able to resolve the current situation. There will be no Ukraine without us.

    I was born in Ukraine. My parents were both born in Ukraine. I have a Ukrainian surname, but I do not consider the Russian people to be guilty of something against people who consider themselves Ukrainians (just as I do not a priori consider all these people to be enemies).
    In Soviet times, Ukraine, compared to the same middle lane of Russia, skated like cheese in oil (we moved from Ukraine to the Moscow Region, and by no means to the hinterland, but even comparing it with Ukraine, this Moscow Region was a hungry land).
    There is one of the worst sins in Christianity. It is called vanity... And I remember very well how at school we, who lived on the territory of the then Soviet Ukraine, were hammered every day with stories about the fact that Ukraine is "the most-most-most" (and the land, and mineral resources, and industry, and the climate, and people, and her language, and songs, and cuisine, etc., and so on) - and so they were "samkalis" to the level of Albania and "the most cheap prostitutes in Europe ".
    And if we need to "sort out" something there, then only and exclusively based on our interests (Russian, Russian - in Ukrainian, as well as in all other foreign languages, it sounds the same).
    And the fact that "Ukraine will not exist without us" is so ... but we need it within its present borders ?! To me personally - no! All I need from her is the opportunity to periodically visit the graves of my ancestors - grandmothers and grandfathers (the Kingdom of Heaven!), But if they ask me to scream for this: "Bandera, Shukhevych are heroes of Ukraine", then I personally will not refuse for the next visit to sit not behind the wheel of your car, but for the levers of such a good tank - because I don’t want my grandfather, the Bandera bastard, who personally wetted himself during the "Red Broom", overturned in a coffin.
    And if we (Russians) are to blame, then only before God that we do not honor his Law; before your conscience; before our children, that we are not always a good example for them; Yes, in front of our ancestors, who handed us the Great country. We are to blame for having lost our holy faith, for too long we have been sniffing between our "generic" values ​​and the "demand" imposed on us, and that the notorious "fifth column" is still tolerated on our land.
  • bda
    bda 24 May 2014 17: 11
    0
    Quote: jktu66
    in the Sumy region, a NATO tracking station for the European part of Russia and other NATO facilities will appear.
    Well, the anti-fascist movement in Ukraine will be where to show itself


    Girls will have a place to earn extra money with their crotch, and not to show themselves to the anti-fascist movement.