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Russian biathletes with domestic rifles from Kalashnikov

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At the reporting and election conference in Moscow, a sports functionary Vadim Melikhov said that in the near future a transition of Russian biathletes with the use of weapons foreign production of weapons produced in Russia. This is reported by the portal. http://rsport.ru/.


Russian biathletes with domestic rifles from Kalashnikov


In the Biathlon Union of Russia, great doubts arise in the issue of the supply of foreign rifles for the needs of domestic athletes due to the fact that the sports weapon actually falls under Western sanctions. This was the main reason that Russian biathletes would be re-armed - they would receive rifles produced by the Kalashnikov concern. The concern itself confirms that they are ready to meet the needs of domestic athletes, including taking into account their individual wishes (for example, the manufacture of rifles for left-handers).

The Kalashnikov Concern, which is a component of Rostec, produces Biathlon-7-4 (Bi-7-4) and Biathlon-7-5 rifles (Bi-7-5). The latest version of the rifle is used for training beginner athletes. This is reported by the company's website. Rostekh.

Interest in the products of the Kalashnikov concern is shown not only by the Russian Biathlon Union, but also by foreign sports teams. In particular, beginning Norwegian shooting skiers, as biathletes are often called, use exactly the rifles from the “Kalashnikov” model “Biathlon-7-3”.

Meanwhile, around the brand "Kalashnikov", the creation of its new official website and 3D-presentation scandal erupted. The tender for “branding”, the cost of which is estimated at 20 million rubles, won the Apostol Center for Strategic Communications, one of the key figures in which is the famous TV presenter Tina Kandelaki. "Apostle" for its services offered "Kalashnikov" 15 million. Competitors of the Apostle (in particular, the company DEFA) announced that the company Ms. Kandelaki participated in the tender on special conditions, and complained to the FAS.
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  1. Giant thought
    Giant thought 22 May 2014 21: 16
    -20%
    You can shoot accurately from not only our weapons, ours can only be cheaper.
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    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 22 May 2014 21: 29
      +16
      preparations are underway for the transition of Russian biathletes from the use of foreign-made weapons to weapons manufactured in Russia.

      We do not know how to advertise our weapons in "peacetime" .. that's all ..! There is a professor here, what kind of photos exposes the quality of the entourage .. (well, lovely sight and beauty ..) but in real life compared to our kind of unprepossessing ha ... oh! Enough to use Western brands already ... We have Kulibins no worse
      1. Interface
        Interface 22 May 2014 21: 46
        +7
        Mikhail Timofeevich would be happy
        1. igor_m_p
          igor_m_p 23 May 2014 02: 18
          +2
          Quote: Interface
          Mikhail Timofeevich would be happy


          Nevertheless, the Bi-7 is a rather old rifle, this time. For the production of "Biathlon" German barrels are used, these are two.
          It's time to give out something of your own, only engage in such rifles, in my opinion, should enterprises specializing primarily in high-precision weapons of the match class. The same ORSIS, for example. These can and trunks do the rest.
      2. Committee
        Committee 22 May 2014 21: 56
        +5
        Quote: MIKHAN
        We have Kulibiny no worse
        Lobaev for example. It makes good rifles, you can shoot at 3 km. So maybe for biathletes he will be fussed, enough for him to poke around in foreign countries!
        1. igor_m_p
          igor_m_p 23 May 2014 02: 20
          0
          Quote: Committee
          Lobaev for example. It makes good rifles, you can shoot at 3 km.

          That's right, only the Lobaevskaya company in Russia has been around for two years now, if not more, as she died, unfortunately ...
          1. rereture
            rereture 23 May 2014 08: 20
            0
            Since the beginning of the year, Lobaev has opened a new firm "KBIS". This rifle is from the new developments "TSVL-8 (TSVL-8)"


            http://kbis.su/
            1. igor_m_p
              igor_m_p 23 May 2014 08: 57
              0
              Haven't heard yet, thanks for the info. Pleases. Interestingly, a civilian option will be? SVL was called OVL; it was no different from the stigma.
              1. rereture
                rereture 24 May 2014 00: 35
                0
                Yes, it seems to be there. There is everything on the site hi
      3. lelikas
        lelikas 22 May 2014 22: 26
        +2
        Quote: MIKHAN
        We do not know how to advertise our weapons in "peacetime" .. that's all ..!

        Well, for some reason - here is the last presentation of Terminator 2 - a peep is simple.
        As for the new rifles, the main thing is that they would not suffer the fate of the MC 3-1 Record pistol, which was banned for use in competitions.
      4. yushch
        yushch 22 May 2014 23: 17
        0
        Our weapons are the simplest and most reliable, and this is appreciated all over the world. Ergonomics only suffer, convenience is weak, and it is often in the first place for professional professionals. But I think it can be easily fixed when we need to work very well.
        1. igor_m_p
          igor_m_p 23 May 2014 02: 33
          +2
          Quote: yushch
          That's only ergonomics suffer, convenience is rather weak, and it is often in the first place for professional professionals.

          Believe me, our sporting rifles are very good in ergonomics. And I had a chance to shoot from many sporting rifles, and from "Urals", and from MC-sheks, and from imported, and from various "Biathlons" as well, so there were opportunities to evaluate the ergonomics. And for a professional specialist, as well as for a high-class athlete, the rifle is ALWAYS adjusted individually, so that the issue of ergonomics does not arise. For example, I adjusted my rifle for myself for three months.
          For target rifles, the main thing is the quality of the barrel, but there are still certain problems with this in Russia, unfortunately. The only good news is that manufacturers have begun to appear who successfully solve these problems, but they have another problem - production volumes are still small.
    3. Massik
      Massik 22 May 2014 21: 50
      0
      You can shoot accurately from not only our weapons, ours can only be cheaper.
      That's really a really suitable pseudonym for you ...) How we poor from Mosinka have been shooting for 80 years (50 from SVD) and we smear everything "Where, where, but not at the target")))
      1. not main
        not main 22 May 2014 22: 26
        +9
        Quote: Marssik
        How are we poor from Mosinki already shoot 80 years

        Not 80, but 118, and during this time it has not become worse! Did he even see a rifle, a cartridge? Judging by komentom return on a shoulder, too, never felt! So better keep quiet!
        1. Massik
          Massik 22 May 2014 22: 57
          +2
          Well, I’ll be measured and unsubscribe with a pipiska, that I have not seen anything and shot from something. I’ll just remind you that the sniper version of the mosquito, which differed in the special quality of the barrel, began to be produced in 1930-1931.
        2. jjj
          jjj 22 May 2014 23: 03
          0
          In the late seventies of the last century, a comrade told how he shot from a rare "Smith and Wesson". In short, he shot, and the revolver jumped out of his hands. There you really need to hold it with both hands.
          And take our PCA. As heavy as the club of a people's war. And Degtyarev. You run around with such a heavy load for half a day - there is no strength at all. Rare weapons require real strength and skill
          1. Massik
            Massik 22 May 2014 23: 42
            +2
            In short, he fired, and the revolver jumped out of his hands.
            And what did he want from .44 and above)))
            Quote: jjj
            And take our PCA. As heavy as the club of a people's war. And Degtyarev.
            Well, I think after stable marches with a PC, 5 hundred rounds of ammunition and 25 kg of armor, I can somehow control the PPSh or RP.
      2. igor_m_p
        igor_m_p 23 May 2014 04: 33
        +2
        Quote: Marssik
        How are we poor from Mosinki already shoot 80 years


        Uh-uh ... Sorry, of course, but only from "Mosinka" we have been shooting for more than a hundred years, since 1891, which in other matters is only a plus smile
    4. lelikas
      lelikas 22 May 2014 22: 28
      +3
      Quote: Thought Giant
      ours can only be cheaper.

      Rumors about the cheapness of our weapons are greatly exaggerated!
  2. rugor
    rugor 22 May 2014 21: 19
    +3
    It's a shame even somehow that our athletes do not use our weapons. I am proud both for the results of the Olympics and for our small arms. I didn't even think that we were shooting from a "trophy".
    1. Blondy
      Blondy 22 May 2014 22: 09
      +2
      It should be a shame to be that ours made such a weapon, a hundred athletes do not want to use it.
      1. rereture
        rereture 22 May 2014 23: 29
        +3
        But our ergonomics are suffering, the quality of workmanship, the service in the end we have complete garbage, no advertising, plus the difficulty of acquiring sports weapons for civilians, thanks to which sane service and maintenance are developing. Sky-high prices of civilian weapons. You read the owners of weapons of our production on the Hanseatic League, each brought it up, corrected small jambs, and improved ergonomics. It would be better if the arms legislation was weakened (for example, obtaining a license for rifled and permission to the COP), and released to the market at reasonable prices, you look, you would learn how to make a finished high-quality product.
  3. Morgan
    Morgan 22 May 2014 21: 20
    +3
    "Anschutz" were considered the best biathletes. If instead of them there will be "Kalash", it will definitely turn the world upside down! Good luck to Kalashnikov!
    1. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 22 May 2014 22: 19
      +4
      Quote: Morgan
      "Anschutz" were considered the best biathletes. If instead of them there will be "Kalash", it will definitely turn the world upside down! Good luck to Kalashnikov!



      For a long time, rifles of the Biathlon series confidently competed with the Anschutz-Fortner model, but the dashing 90s did not have the best effect on the position of Russian weapons in the world biathlon. Samples of sports weapons of the Biathlon family are now mainly used by biathletes from the countries of the former USSR and novice athletes, mainly because of the price: our rifles are about half the price of German ones.

      In 2010, in Vancouver, the following awards were won with our rifles:

      Anna Bogaliy-Titovets - relay gold
      Other participants in the Olympic Games:
      Katie Wilhelm (Germany) - bronze in the relay;
      Elena Khrustaleva (Kazakhstan) - silver in the individual race.


      Here are also interesting articles:

      expert.ru/2014/02/10/nasha-semerka_-izhevskaya-vintovka-dlya-biatlona-bi-7-4/

      rostec.ru/news/4270
    2. igor_m_p
      igor_m_p 23 May 2014 04: 38
      +1
      Quote: Morgan
      "Anschutz" were considered the best biathletes. If instead of them there will be "Kalash", it will definitely turn the world upside down!


      The saddest thing is that Anshutsevo barrels are now being bought for the Biathlon-7 rifles ...
  4. marder4
    marder4 22 May 2014 21: 22
    0
    our weapons are also an option, probably cheaper will be imported ... plus the development of another market for our industry
  5. Palladium900
    Palladium900 22 May 2014 21: 23
    +1
    Correctly. You need to try to have everything your own.
  6. fly fishing
    fly fishing 22 May 2014 21: 23
    +2
    Quote: Giant thought
    You can shoot accurately from not only our weapons, ours can only be cheaper.

    Ours may be better! Himself shot from BI and SM in his youth. Heavy were, but liked!
  7. Slavich
    Slavich 22 May 2014 21: 27
    +6
    They were able to make one of the best sniper rifles (ORSIS T-5000).
    So why not make a biathlon rifle with outstanding features.
    It is necessary to set ambitious tasks, then there will be a grandiose result.
  8. buzer
    buzer 22 May 2014 21: 27
    +10
    mixed in one article and rifles and brands and kandelaki ... Give full info on rifles, performance characteristics, prices, advantages, disadvantages. Fuck us Kandelaki?
  9. Orenburg
    Orenburg 22 May 2014 21: 29
    0
    The most important thing in this news, in my opinion, is that work on special types of small arms does not stop. Biathlon is great, but from here it comes from cosnstructor and technological developments for special sniper, for example. And most importantly, personnel are in this very necessary industry.
  10. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 22 May 2014 21: 29
    0
    Quote: marder4
    our weapons are also an option, probably cheaper will be imported ... plus the development of another market for our industry

    I am sure that our rifles will be better. but usually in sports they apply what the judges cannot find fault with ...
  11. Arh
    Arh 22 May 2014 21: 30
    -2
    How healthy it is for these biathletes to win !!!
  12. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx 22 May 2014 21: 35
    0
    VICTORIES - here is the best advertisement!
  13. Palych9999
    Palych9999 22 May 2014 21: 39
    0
    And here it smells of "Serdyukhapkin" ...
  14. homosum20
    homosum20 22 May 2014 21: 43
    +1
    I have a saiga (with permission). I have an SVD (Tiger-1 with a resolution and an 8x scope). I don't have a Kalash. Due to lack of permission. Very, at times, I want.
    1. Massik
      Massik 22 May 2014 21: 53
      0
      On bezrybe .... But because of the pins in the trunks and the bored rifling, I still do not envy you)))
      1. Committee
        Committee 22 May 2014 21: 58
        0
        What kind of pins? Where? In Saig or in the Tiger?
        1. Massik
          Massik 22 May 2014 22: 11
          +1
          I mentioned the pins as referring to alterations of SKS and SVT, which are sold under the designation KO, as an example of the most obvious domestic "improvements" for -20% of military weapons.
          1. Obliterator
            Obliterator 23 May 2014 00: 51
            +2
            I can’t understand the logic of those who spoil such weapons. He asked in the boutiques about a rifle with a telescopic sight - sellers advised to quit this business, saying that they certainly wouldn’t beat like a real war, because they had kidnapped over the barrel. So what for do this? In the conditions of overflowing counters with foreign weapons, it is only at a loss to work for yourself.
  15. andrey903
    andrey903 22 May 2014 21: 47
    -2
    the trunks will still be Austrian, ours cannot yet. Ortiz, by the way, is American
    1. Slavich
      Slavich 22 May 2014 22: 23
      +4
      Ortiz, by the way, is American

      The other day there was a whole film about ORSIS on RENTv in "military secret". There they showed how they themselves pull the trunks on their equipment. The only American in the film was Steven Seagal.
      1. Fiero
        Fiero 23 May 2014 01: 00
        0

        Is this all worth a look!
        1. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx 23 May 2014 10: 48
          0
          Quote: Fiero
          Is this all worth a look!


          I agree, the film is interesting. It is only strange that in the beginning they mentioned SVD (they say it does not meet modern requirements), and then they talk about ORSIS T-5000. But ORSIS is not a replacement for SVD.
          ORSIS hits further and more accurately (if conditions allow - smoke, dust, buildings, trees, etc.). But the SVD has a higher rate of fire, and most likely at relatively small distances (400-500 m), it will be preferable.
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 22 May 2014 22: 33
      +1
      Quote: andrey903
      the trunks will still be Austrian, ours cannot yet. Ortiz, by the way, is American

      And then what are they doing at Promtechnologii?
    3. Fiero
      Fiero 23 May 2014 01: 03
      0
      Why did the states buy ORSIS for the army?
      1. alex-cn
        alex-cn 23 May 2014 04: 27
        +1
        Amovskaya there is only a high-quality forging for the trunk, they cut themselves. forging is not worse than ours can do, but they require a very large batch of blanks. With mass production, it would be okay, but industrial technologists are specialists.
  16. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 22 May 2014 21: 58
    +15
    Infa rifles are few.
    Will it be Bi-7-4 or Bi-7-5? Or some new model?
    At what level will our new rifles be compared to the western ones we are currently using?

    What are TTX and TTD?
    How are you doing with weight?

    I understand that this is an information note ... that would be one of the biathletes ARTICLE wrote about the domestic biathlon rifles, it would be interesting ...
    1. starhina01
      starhina01 22 May 2014 22: 53
      +1
      I agree with you. in both cases good
  17. Nicholas
    Nicholas 22 May 2014 22: 58
    0
    He served an urgent 1969-1971, we had the foreman of the battery Kokut Nikolai Fedosovich (!). He shot from ANY AKM ... I have no words. He always said that a bullet was flying straight.
  18. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 22 May 2014 23: 10
    0
    Actually, it’s high time to switch to domestic rifles ... Individual weapons in our country have always been doing fine ... The problem was purely psychological ... not perceiving our products as high-quality ...
    In the subject, we recall the failure of weapons tailored by them at our biathletes at world competitions ...
  19. polite people
    polite people 22 May 2014 23: 12
    0
    And our battalion commander with AK 74 shot like a pistol with one hand.
    There was no better shooter in the army.
  20. edeligor
    edeligor 22 May 2014 23: 31
    +1
    I will be brief. AT LAST, !!!!
  21. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 22 May 2014 23: 40
    +1
    It is strange that so far our biotlon is working on German vents, convinced if our designers really want to, they will surpass all Western onalogs! Let's take a look.
    1. Vyacheslav0206
      Vyacheslav0206 23 May 2014 00: 06
      0
      Well, alas, alas, probably not. They will be able to release an analogue, but everything is very difficult in such weapons. It’s like with our rocket engines. It’s like Americans and nose pulled up, and when we recovered we must retreat or abandon space. And here, not only do our rifles the past years for internal use were mostly lost and the work was lost. Recover to the Olympics Sochi promised to make a rifle alas, it did not pass the test among biathletes. So you probably have to do everything but don’t make noise with drafts that we are great and should only use yours.
      I would like, but alas, so apparently the world is arranged somewhere one is better somewhere else.
  22. starhina01
    starhina01 22 May 2014 23: 51
    +1
    people honestly, I personally only now understood where rifle biathletes came from, don’t be very angry with me, but in fact I’ll answer, this is minus the domestic defense industry if its products are replaced with imported ones, Russian biathletes hi
  23. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 23 May 2014 00: 41
    0
    As I understand it, the Tulaks could not cope. Shame on Tula gunsmiths!
  24. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 23 May 2014 00: 48
    0
    Well, nothing, from the age of five, and Russia will become more self-sufficient. Moreover, it is impossible in this world to produce everything for us in our country, something that will be cheaper to buy than to produce. But as for the security of the country, the space industry, Russia itself must produce all this.
  25. Free Island
    Free Island 23 May 2014 01: 36
    +1
    maybe you need to switch to weapons of the Kalashnikov concern and ORSIS? :))) all the same, they make exact rifles ...
  26. Sinbad
    Sinbad 23 May 2014 03: 00
    -1
    The problem is not with the Kulibins, but with the managers (officials). I walked along Tula in the late 70s, a bike (and maybe a true story); they made a gift gun, for some kind of ruler, either western or eastern, it doesn't matter. Fabric, gilding, carving and chasing with engraving, I saw in my youth - beauty. But that's not the point. Made the trunks - a hunting vertical, began to shoot at the stand - a miracle! They were scared that they could not repeat, they bent. This is how the Tula Lefty "bent".
  27. Vadim12
    Vadim12 23 May 2014 03: 25
    0
    Thanks to the sanctions, otherwise it was already in the order of things to speak with foreign propellers. Or were our rifles worse than foreign ones, or was there a team to support a foreign manufacturer?
    1. Cosmos1987
      Cosmos1987 23 May 2014 05: 53
      0
      Well, let's switch to rifles, if only we could switch to our uniform and let it be at least "Bolshevichka", but its own brand. Advertising is advertising, but it has its own.
  28. San_aa
    San_aa 23 May 2014 06: 38
    0
    Correct solution. Biathletes are required to clearly state what they want to receive from the Kalashnikov concern. And the designers will try.
  29. jovanni
    jovanni 23 May 2014 08: 03
    0
    Yes, we will do it ourselves. We will do everything. Although at first it is necessary to raise the prestige of our technologists and designers so that they generally appear in our country. You look, and the necessary equipment will appear. Timurovsegaydarovtsy Yeltsin did much harm, bastards ...
  30. Barakuda
    Barakuda 23 May 2014 08: 46
    0
    I shot with Orsis a week ago. The question is - how did he end up near Kiev? and where then "will go". I was not told .. they looked like that .. types - are you that idiot?
    1. fktrcfylhn61
      fktrcfylhn61 23 May 2014 09: 25
      0
      But the most important thing in this situation is that with all this: Babai asked Putin for a weapon! But to enemies it is served without demand! Is it time to call THEM by their proper names !!!
  31. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 23 May 2014 09: 20
    0
    How is it possible to produce something good for the country when these parasites have sucked up the whole atmosphere of creativity shitting on the vine !!! Well, straightforward hands fall when ideas are evaluated from a position of market liquidity! One wants to shout - I will bury my brains myself!