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About the main problem of Donbass and why time works against it

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Today I had a chance to talk with a man who tried to get into Slavyansk to join the ranks of Self-Defense. At the entrance to the city, he was detained by the Ukrainian military, arrested, interrogated and sent to Kiev, where he fell into the hands of the SBU. To help Slavyansk did not work, but I managed to communicate with the party opposing him. All the impressions of such communication and important conclusions from them are below.


About how got caught

Getting into Slavyansk is not difficult in principle. If you have nothing forbidden or suspicious, it’s not difficult to get into the city, having passed all the posts. Me and my comrades were let down by their own negligence - the military found camouflage in the car, and after conducting a more thorough inspection - a camera and business cards with the image of St. George ribbons. On this we are stung. However, they could have entered the city in secret ways, bypassing roadblocks, but hoped that we could do it legally. For which he paid.

Then we were called separatists and handcuffed in our own car until orders were received from the authorities. Appealed without any sentiment. At night, a fighter came from some other detachment and tried to open the trunk, to my call to stop was threatened with reprisals. Our guards pondered him, referring to the fact that in this case everyone will get from the authorities.

They fed us the same as they ate themselves - American dry rations. I have not tried more rubbish in my life, my stomach twisted right away.

In general, we stayed in this position for a day and a half, and from the conversations we heard, we realized that an unenviable future awaited us and would soon be questioned with addiction. They decided to flee at night, believing that it was better to be killed while escaping than to fall into the hands of professional executioners. But we were lucky, the people we went to stood up for us in Slavyansk. They offered to exchange us for prisoners, but the Ukrainian side, as I understood, rejected the offer. On the one hand, it saved us from reprisals, as they realized that they were following our fate, but on the other, they suspected us that we had a special value for self-defense of Slavyansk. Therefore, soon we were taken by helicopter to Kiev and handed over to the staff of the SBU.

On the ideological pumping and mood of the Ukrainian military

We communicated with captivating us very much. Usually this kind of communication began with an attempt to intimidate us, and after its failure, we began to be ashamed of our position. And then the whole degree of zombie of these people was revealed. For them, we are separatists working in the interests of the FSB of Russia. All the evil that is happening in the Ukrainian land is from us. That we shot people in Mariupol, putting all the blame on the national guard. We forced the residents of the Crimea and Donbass to vote in referendums at gunpoint. This Russian snipers shot "Golden Eagle" on the Maidan. This we do not allow the conflict to be peacefully resolved, since Putin, who guides us, is a pathological sadist and for the sake of his amusement makes fraternal peoples. And so on.

When asked how they could confirm their position, we were told that there were reliable facts and evidence. When asked to share them, they said that they were secret and could not be disclosed so far.

At the same time they are holy, fanatically confident in their rightness and it is impossible to convince them. According to them, they are protecting their land from Russian aggression and are not going to surrender.

True, his superiors, too, curse what the world is worth. At the checkpoints, the military are in abominable conditions - practically without water, with poor rations, in uncertainty. They say that they do not want to attack themselves, but if they are attacked, they will stand to the last.

One commando from Lviv "Berkut" I asked if he was not ashamed of the fact that his colleagues on the Maidan were put on their knees. He replied that the Maidan had betrayed them, and as soon as they were finished with the Russians, they would go to Kiev and arrange a new revolution there. And, in general, they would have dealt with this new government long ago if they had not been distracted in the Donbas.

This position holds the majority. All of them say that they are tolerating the Kiev authorities only because in the period of confrontation with Russia there can be no anarchy, and you need at least someone who gives orders. And everyone hopes for the upcoming presidential elections, in which they will elect a worthy candidate. They do not answer the question who this candidate is. Whether this, too, is still a secret, or whether it is Darth Vader.

In the SBU, everything happened again - at first they tried to press us, threatened to drive “Alfovtsev” in our camouflage with St. George ribbons through the system, but after threats they tried to put pressure on our conscience again. The fact that for us all this time stood up at a high enough level, saved us from humiliation and from reprisals. The degree of ideological torsion of the shoes is not inferior to that of the military from roadblocks.

On the role of the media in this situation

When it became clear that we would soon have to be let go, as nothing could be discovered, the interrogations were replaced by conversations. We tried to convince them of their own wrongness, and they us in ours. Naturally, to no avail. During such disputes, we were often turned on by the television as evidence, not paying attention to the fact that only Ukrainian channels were broadcast there. At the same time, all materials of the Russian media were deliberately defined as false propaganda.

One important point should be noted here. The materials of the Russian media sometimes contain information that does not correspond to reality. Sometimes, for example, a message is illustrated by a non-related video series, as was the case with the recent scandal with “young montage nymphs” at the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company, who shot CTO in the North Caucasus as an illustration of the battles in Slavyansk. If we can give up on such mistakes, then for the Ukrainian side they are invaluable and irrefutable proof of the inaccuracy of information from the Russian media in general. We are at such non-joining pointed constantly. At the same time, the military makes fun of the quality of propaganda of their own Ukrainian media, but they continue to believe in it sacredly.

Another important aspect of the information struggle is, it seems to me, the excessive fixation of the Russian media on the role of law enforcement officers and Bandera in the current situation. It is clear that it cannot be hushed up, but it is exaggerated. This is probably one of the main factors in the reluctance of many Ukrainians to perceive information from our media. According to them, the "Right Sector" now has almost no influence, and they do not pay any attention to clown politicians like I. Farion. They are insulted that they are ranked among the fascists, since they do not consider themselves as such. Thus, mutual hatred grows. On the Russian side - in relation to those who support the Kiev junta, on their part - to those who support the self-determination of the regions of Ukraine. And no one sees a way out of this mutual fomentation. That side believes that war with Russia cannot be avoided - at the approaches to Kiev we saw roadblocks of their own self-defense, awaiting the invasion of Russian tanks.

In my opinion, it’s time to move a little away from the image of Bandera and switch to an explanation of the role of the United States in the Ukrainian conflict. Among those with whom we spoke, the attitude towards the United States is mostly negative, but they absolutely do not understand their role in what is happening. Perhaps a change in information policy can save us from war.

On urgent tasks of the DPR and the LPR

The main trouble is the new republics of Donbass in the acute shortage of organizational personnel and legal order. What Strelkov said in his famous address is not an empty phrase. In fact, the new government is now concerned only with the carving of places and the redistribution of property. Often this happens in conjunction or in opposition to overt criminal elements. Everyone is so absorbed in sharing that they care nothing else. Every day such power increasingly repels ordinary citizens from themselves - and in this sense, time works against the republics.

The only island of a more or less stable order is Slavyansk. But since his leadership is forced to divert all forces to the defense, then the process of the formation of a new statehood will not begin here. Nevertheless, it seems that it will arise either here and spread to other regions, or never appear at all. I must say that the residents of Donbass, who are not participating in the criminal squabbles and redistribution, are waiting for the order, are ready to support him and will be happy with an example that Slavyansk could demonstrate. Only need to act urgently.

In Lugansk and Donetsk, power is the only one who has weapon. Expropriation is in full swing. According to our observations, there is no adequate force, which is concerned with the construction of state bodies.

All groups at checkpoints in the cities of Donbass are subject to different commanders, there is no connection, not even a banal telephone line, between them. Therefore, in the event of a serious assault, they will not be able to coordinate among themselves, to keep competent defense.

Brigades are supposedly formed under Slavyansky for the defense of the city, but in reality they form teams for defending their commercial interests. In relation to Strelkov many who have power in the Donbas have, to put it mildly, wariness. Apparently — because they see in him a strong leader who can put an end to this lawlessness. Disreputable rumors about him are already being launched - from the legend of the GRU agent to the stories about his frostbittenness and cruelty.

About how freed

After it became clear that we couldn’t get anything out of us, we were deported. All property was returned, including the car. We took only cash, but it was still at the roadblock where we were detained. In general, we are fortunate that patrons stood up for us. If this did not happen, then now we would be in prison on some fictional accusation.

From the author

I can not reveal the identity of the person who told all of the above, but people who I unconditionally trust vouch for me, and the interlocutor himself seemed adequate and trustworthy. From the above follows the main conclusion - time plays against self-defense. And the point here is not even in the ratio of armed force, but in the processes of post-revolutionary decay, which hit the state fabric and are rapidly spreading. They are not openly spoken about them yet, but testimonials such as this and many others indicate the seriousness of the problem. It is necessary to comprehend and seek a solution.

And whenever possible urgent.
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  1. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 23 May 2014 17: 37
    +6
    The population's approach is "My hut is on the edge ...". A limited number of militias are fighting, it can be seen not with an armed eye - there is NO one-man command. In this situation, this is the only salvation. The militias can be interrupted, and the rest will shrug their shoulders or say: "We have nothing to do with it." Insanely insulting.
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 24 May 2014 00: 53
      -2
      Quote: Bob0859
      Insanely insulting.

      This nonsense little article! Not 100%, but 70% accurate. I can tell you the ins and outs, I just need to write the same article for which there is neither time nor special desire. Whoever ponders will understand. hi
    2. figter
      figter 24 May 2014 06: 29
      +1
      And this has long been understood. If in Crimea they acted clearly and harmoniously, then in Little Russia they decided to enter paradise on the wrong shoulders. So not only that, we also had to introduce the Russian Army so that they would heat their backsides on the stoves, and we would put our boys for their interests and send the zinc to our homes. If they are sitting on stoves, then all of this suits them. Let them sit further. They again have 90, redistribution of property under the guise of Maidan. Putin has long understood this. Why would he in such a political situation take such territories for himself with confusion and reeling, where after joining Russia it will take a long time to fight banditry and crime. And anarchy is contagious and incurable.
  2. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 23 May 2014 17: 48
    +11
    time plays against self-defense. And the point here is not even in the ratio of armed force, but in the processes of post-revolutionary decay, which hit state tissue and are rapidly spreading. Author Eugene

    Guess three times whom I quote:
    "Defense is the death of any armed uprising; in defense, it perishes, before it has even measured its strength with the enemy. It is necessary to take the enemy by surprise, while his troops are still scattered; it is necessary to achieve new, albeit small, successes daily; it is necessary to maintain a moral advantage, which gave you the first successful movement of the rebels; you need to attract those wavering elements that always follow the stronger and always take a more reliable side; you must force the enemy to retreat before he could gather his troops against you;
    1. SHAKESPEARE
      SHAKESPEARE 23 May 2014 17: 57
      +5
      All right, you say, I'm for. We need to change tactics, move from defense to attack. After all, it is visible and so that in the Ukrainian army, lawlessness and disorganization, riots and desertion, insanity, venality arise, with the help of bribery great things can be done.
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 23 May 2014 18: 44
      +6
      Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
    3. lelyk72
      lelyk72 23 May 2014 18: 49
      +4
      Not Vladimir Ilyich, by chance?
      I really don’t know, I didn’t google for fun. I'm right?
      1. afecn
        afecn 23 May 2014 20: 50
        +3
        Read "Marxism and Rebellion" and "Outsider Tips" (VIL)
    4. Fitter
      Fitter 23 May 2014 20: 23
      +4
      Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 23 May 2014 20: 40
        +1
        Quote: Fitter
        fzr1000 Today, 18:44 ↑
        Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
        lelyk72 Today, 18:49 ↑
        Not Vladimir Ilyich, by chance?
        Fitter Today, 20:23 ↑
        Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

        user's: / fzr1000 // lelyk72 // Fitter / = guessed right the first time, got an honestly earned plus.
    5. andj61
      andj61 23 May 2014 21: 16
      +3
      The classics are the classics, and the classics of Marxism all the more.
  3. Manul49
    Manul49 23 May 2014 17: 54
    +2
    "My hut is on the edge ..."
    This is the standard approach ukrov, but there are full of Russian. All hope for them.
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 23 May 2014 18: 23
      +6
      Quote: Manul49
      "My hut is on the edge ..." This is the standard ukrov approach, but there are also plenty of Russians there. All hope is on them.

      And have you seen a lot of Russians in Ukraine who think not in Ukrainian especially where I hide the hut?
      To live 23 years in Ukraine and leave the Russian mentality will not work. And among us there are many Russians such as Strelkov typed?
      The majority of those who voted for secession from Ukraine have little self-awareness and activity and therefore expect further, but sit on the couch, and activists and leaders move, but somehow inconsistently and started to pull the blanket in their direction.
      It turns out that while dividing the skins of a still-dead beast that can also grease in the face.
    2. allexx83
      allexx83 23 May 2014 23: 50
      +2
      There are few Russians here. And the article is a huge plus. Everything is true from beginning to end
      1. allexx83
        allexx83 23 May 2014 23: 55
        0
        By truth, I mean the position of the zombie population and attitude towards Russia.
  4. mamont5
    mamont5 23 May 2014 17: 58
    +3
    If so, in the new republics, then the matter is not important. Need a strong leader. Either the one whom everyone trusts, or the dictator.
    Combining in one and elections can help the cause.
  5. sovety
    sovety 23 May 2014 18: 01
    +1
    I don’t know how anyone, but my opinion is simply formulated about the article - this is disa
    !
    By the way, poorly done, but I can understand the lack of money for a normal scenario.
    1. lelyk72
      lelyk72 23 May 2014 18: 53
      +3
      Regarding the sales of fighters of the National Guard on the organs, wow, there was a disinformation. And here is where the disinformation?
      The fact that the southeast does not unite — this we see about their attitude to what is happening — I have a sister in Dnepropetrovsk, she says the same way as the interlocutors of this prisoner, and she tells the same about her relatives / friends.
      1. andj61
        andj61 23 May 2014 21: 21
        +1
        Here, a conversation is simply conveyed with another person, and a little conversation. Someone here and there sometimes ... Moreover, a person receives information only from interrogations of himself, conversations with investigators and operatives, and from rare TV views. How can we conclude on the state of affairs in Donetsk and Lugansk, as well as Slavyansk, currently in custody in Kiev? Yes, any of us has much more information! Or is it worth considering the analysis of the state of affairs in the DPR and LPR as a result of studying the information after the conclusion?
        Something about the quality of articles on the site began to fall noticeably!
    2. doc62
      doc62 23 May 2014 22: 55
      0
      I also think clean water crap
    3. allexx83
      allexx83 23 May 2014 23: 51
      +2
      True, alas.
      1. allexx83
        allexx83 23 May 2014 23: 55
        +1
        By truth, I mean the position of the zombie population and attitude towards Russia.
  6. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 23 May 2014 18: 04
    +1
    At any time, not without freaks, you just have to be very good-natured, since war means in connection with wartime, without trial and investigation for squabble and unlawful acts that take off on the morale of citizens as well as wars, one sentence was SURROUNDED !!! As history has shown. ACTING. If you can now lose what you’ve achieved, I think smart people will understand well, but I don’t care about it, we disentangle them because of them, HUMPY one of them!
  7. creak
    creak 23 May 2014 18: 08
    +5
    Plus article for trying a balanced analysis of the situation in the Southeast, without hysterical sobs and slogans ...
  8. mig31
    mig31 23 May 2014 18: 11
    +2
    In the elderberry garden, and in Kiev it’s unclear, familiar yes ... only the leader can stop the troubles and restore peace, and that leader is Russia ...
  9. UVB
    UVB 23 May 2014 18: 14
    +2
    And I have a feeling that this article is a provocation.
    1. sovety
      sovety 23 May 2014 18: 43
      -1
      And "made about nothing"!
      Americans if that "" and dry rations are the same, Our identity with "news" kosyachat "BUT you Russians are all guilty of what is happening!
    2. UVB
      UVB 23 May 2014 19: 41
      +7
      Quote: UVB
      And I have a feeling that this article is a provocation.

      Let me explain why I came to this conclusion. Only two points. firstly, what sane person will go through the ukrov checkpoint with camouflage and St. George ribbons? Why should these ribbons be brought to Slavyansk? We will omit the description of his stay in captivity and in the Security Service of Ukraine, peaceful conversations with special forces, his supporters, and also how he was freed. From the article it is clear that he did not fall into the ranks of the militia, but immediately became well aware of the situation inside the leadership of both (!) Republics. I am not saying that everything is in order there and there are no problems. But the article is sewn with white thread and clearly provocative, subversive in order to create a decadent mood and so on.
  10. INFOLegioner
    INFOLegioner 23 May 2014 18: 15
    +2
    It is also embarrassing that the unification of the DPR and LPR does not happen. But the project of New Russia was conceived as a unifying and victorious force for military, economic, informational and other mutual assistance in the former Ukraine. Chaos and disagreements have never brought anyone to good. We need common goals, a common decision-making center and a single army.
  11. cosmonavt
    cosmonavt 23 May 2014 18: 25
    +4
    No wonder we are not introducing troops. Not so simple. We need a balanced position. So as not to break firewood.
  12. Irokez
    Irokez 23 May 2014 18: 28
    +1
    In general, let's see what happens after the May 25 elections. There, the look will be different, and something will become clear. Yes, and Putin, something is keeping quiet, and this, as you know, is a good signal. Hockey will end in Belarus there and Batko will speak in some direction and the elections in the European Parliament.
    Let's see you on Monday.
    1. afecn
      afecn 23 May 2014 20: 53
      0
      Rather, it expects gas results (June) and autumn - results for Kaput-Ukraine
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 24 May 2014 00: 24
      +2
      Quote: Irokez
      Yes, and Putin, something is keeping quiet

      You need to follow the media! Putin today absolutely unequivocally said the attitude of who will be elected on the 25th: "We will respect the choice of the people of Ukraine, and we will work with the President whom the people choose." You can try to minus - and you will be fundamentally wrong, because I did not insert the picture into the TV myself.
      1. vadgen
        vadgen 24 May 2014 16: 03
        0
        If my memory serves me, Putin was twice asked whether Russia would recognize the results of the elections, but in the president's reply the word “recognize” was never uttered. As for "we will work", we are "working" now, for example, negotiations in Geneva or negotiations on gas.
  13. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 23 May 2014 19: 12
    +4
    An article disguised as a supporter of the self-defenders of Donbass is most likely disinformation, in which the alleged supporter of self-determination is actually adding his "fly in the ointment" to the campaign to discredit the DPR and LPR!
  14. Akulina
    Akulina 23 May 2014 19: 12
    +2
    And what is there to be surprised that Putin does not send troops - he is doing the right thing. It is not yet clear who to stand up for there. Women and children can be taken to Russia - if they themselves want to, and so ... Time is actually working now against everyone who has a mess in their heads. After three or four months of real hunger and chaos, many will begin to think not with "TV", but with their brains. Then the leaders will appear and the people will catch up, who are sitting on sofas. And it will become clear - this is a friend, this is an enemy. In the meantime, most are like "daisies" in the hole. And not only in Donbas. Here is Odessa - how they threatened to avenge their killed, but they quieted down, they sit and wait for something incomprehensible ... That would be a number - to unleash a war (Tymoshenko is described with happiness - "I told Russia the aggressor"), put Russian soldiers -that he was able to come to power and get his hands on what was taken from the fled oligarchs.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 24 May 2014 13: 20
      0
      Quote: Akulina
      Time is actually working now against everyone who has a mess in their heads. After three or four months of real hunger and chaos, many will begin to think not with "TV", but with their brains. Then the leaders will appear

      That's right!
      Then V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin) was remembered.
      He then bluntly said that all sorts of revolutions are possible only when the people can no longer live, before that it’s shitty.
      And the master should be weak, rotten.
      A revolutionary situation is needed, however ... yes





  15. zol1
    zol1 23 May 2014 19: 13
    +1
    Twenty-odd years of sleep with horror pictures about the devouring Monster of Russia, zombied people to the extent of white, it's black, and black, it's white! But the people awaken, eyes open and in the end there is insight! Well, about the insult of the right-wingers that they are not fascists ... Yes, they are right! So even the Nazis didn’t act like these frostbitten bastards mess around !!!
  16. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 23 May 2014 19: 14
    +1
    Actually, the narrative of the mysterious narrator, especially in the chapter regarding the DPR and LPR, enlightens us on one of the points because of which our intervention will not take place there. At least in the near future.
  17. Styx
    Styx 23 May 2014 19: 31
    +1
    approximately as the author described, it seemed to me at the level of the sixth sense, and about PSs too, too much, although they are there. But the role of America became clear to me when they announced the list of shale explorations on the ukrostan, after that I was able to put together a puzzle called Latino Banana Republic of Ukrostan! And for 23 years of lawlessness in the country, people no longer understand how to live, and not fight for survival, and in any way! And this is a problem ...
  18. Demon0n
    Demon0n 23 May 2014 19: 42
    +6
    The article is provocative. I will explain ...
    Not touching on the influence of law-enforcement agencies and the media. Any action in support of the crime is direct participation / aiding in the crime. So there are Nazis supporting the Nazis. It is not particularly important who is in power, the presence of the Nazis in power structures does not matter, only the undeniable fact of support (and you can balabol anything and anytime, the facts determine it - only actions). Even those stupid conscripts who block access to cities are direct participants / accomplices. And the point is not to preserve the unity of the state or patriotism: the fact is that part of the citizens wants the extermination of another part of the citizens (which is classified as a crime). And mythical patriotism can go through the forest, because no one can ever prove the fact of its presence.
  19. Bobfia
    Bobfia 23 May 2014 19: 56
    0
    It also seemed to me that the article was balanced, the author was trying to understand the situation ... And the thought "Defense is the death of an uprising .." has been ringing in my head for a very long time ...
    It seems to me that the truth is the best weapon, and Russia needs to concentrate all efforts on the most truthful explanation of the situation - primarily for the Ukrainians themselves ... and not on propaganda, which (to be honest) takes place in our media ... People need to somehow fix the brains - after all, the majority there are adequate decent people ... They sincerely believe that they are fighting terrorists and Russian aggression - they need to be heard somehow! They have been breaking their brains for 23 years! Especially youth ...
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 23 May 2014 20: 14
    +4
    The militias of Slavyansk faced the same problem as Kiev. Taking power in their hands does not mean holding it. Next comes the next stage, which used to be called the Red Terror. Only in the country after the revolution it was possible to maintain control and order.
    As a rule, good warriors are almost always bad managers.
    Here by the way, a place for the application of forces from Russia. All of this goats .... jo ... they will soon push, but it will be difficult to build a new state ourselves
  21. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 23 May 2014 20: 49
    +1
    The state cannot be formed from scratch - the common people have no management skills.

    I need volunteers, I think, from Russia.
    Moreover, given the specifics of the Donbass, there would send a landing of specialists from among the Communists.
    That is, those who are willing to work without privatizing for themselves, without appointing themselves super salaries, without stealing or extorting.
  22. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 23 May 2014 20: 51
    -3
    Good article. Bold +. Demon fuss, calm, all on the shelves.
  23. Grbear
    Grbear 23 May 2014 21: 17
    +2
    The author and his "counterpart" are the children of "Mario" and "Word of Tanks". First, they go with ribbons, talk to the guards "for life", take a helicopter to Kiev and drive home. Clowns. And the ramifications are taken from the Internet - slogans and pieces.

    Donetsk and Lugansk are losing days and vitality in internal agreements. Any "new" prezik after the 25th will grind them into dust, and then offer the rest to negotiate. As a result, everything will return to Kiev.

    Strelkova and his guys are really sorry. They will be handed over as a result if they do not have time to leave.
  24. dkflbvbh
    dkflbvbh 23 May 2014 21: 25
    -3
    Fully supporting the author. He wrote about this repeatedly. Thinking more on the tree I will not.
  25. Signaller
    Signaller 23 May 2014 21: 57
    +1
    A Cossack is mishandled ?????? You can bring the facts.
  26. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 23 May 2014 22: 06
    0
    Quote: GrBear
    ... Any "new" prezik after the 25th will grind them into dust, and then offer the rest to negotiate. As a result, everything will return to Kiev.

    Strelkova and his guys are really sorry. They will be handed over as a result if they do not have time to leave.

    I don’t think it will end so simply.

    1. Do not grind everyone into dust. very, very many people showed up at the referendum - the majority. And at least for the sake of their own security, the majority of the people will be at least modest as the lawbreakers approach. but support New Russia.
    2. New Russia has leaders. There is no unity between them, but unity in the face of the enemy is present. And this is the key to continuing resistance.
    3. The truth is on the side of the Orthodox, Communists, Russians, Don Cossacks, miners, mothers ... The DPR and LPR have never offended these people - carriers of moral principles in modern times. And for the homeland, the people, the just cause is much easier to go into a mortal battle than for grandmas or Ukrainization.
    4. Finally, I still hope for the President and the Pskov Heroes.
  27. f.lourens
    f.lourens 23 May 2014 22: 25
    +2
    Good day, dear forum users. From Dmitry I received a report on the House of Trade Unions (Odessa) I will publish the result of a study of the samples from the scene of the tragedy tomorrow. For some reason your forum will not open on my computer. You will have to manually rewrite the guys. Nastya.
  28. avia1991
    avia1991 24 May 2014 00: 11
    +2
    Today I had a chance to talk with a man who was trying to get into Slavyansk to join the ranks of Self-Defense

    That is, a man sought to join the ranks of the militia. Desire is laudable. The following is an explanation of why they were captured .. It happens. And then - a detailed analysis of the deep-seated processes taking place in society on both sides, moreover, with an indication of the reasons, one of which is immersion in representatives of the newly formed governing bodies of the republics in corruption-criminal disassemblies! No more, no less, the guy is a political scientist and psychoanalyst in one person! .. Further - even more interesting:
    In Lugansk and Donetsk, power belongs only to those who have weapons. The expropriation is in full swing. Adequate power, which is concerned about the construction of government bodies, according to our observations, there are not.

    But! The children got along a crooked path to the place of performance of the "soul of a wonderful impulse", in both capitals they noted, although clearly "not along the way." We analyzed the situation for a long time and carefully. In general, I put a "minus" to the article, because it does not cause any confidence! PROVOCATION.
  29. Chaika
    Chaika 24 May 2014 12: 24
    0
    The article is at least strange and really looks like an illiterate misinformation
  30. Santor
    24 May 2014 14: 20
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    Quote: sovety
    I don’t know how anyone, but my opinion is simply formulated about the article - this is disa
    !
    By the way, poorly done, but I can understand the lack of money for a normal scenario.


    I published this article ... Questions for me ... I just spared the pride of many forum visitors, and by and large - on the websites of the city of Kramatorsk and Slavyansk militias are called separators and terrorists, go in and see for yourself, and the groan goes - when will they finish off or when they get out. They say everything was so cool, why did we need it, they lived quietly and would continue to live like this. Need to learn Ukrainian? so we instantly .... Change the name Ivanov to Ivanchenko? Yes, right now, running just lace up the laces .. Should I jump and shout "yaku to gilyak"? yes this moment, if only we were not touched ... we need to go to work ... Look at the posts on these forums .. People are wondering if it is possible to get to work ... Oh damn, because of the separators, the switchboard burned out, again the workshop does not work will be, when they are all killed ...


    They went to a referendum en masse, voted home-to-house - to wait for Putin to come, put the soldiers who would protect them, give pensions, salaries, rubles ... And then bummer - it turns out you have to fight for your freedom .... And let's yell. . They threw us ... Over in the Crimea ...

    And no one remembers or maybe just doesn’t know how in the same Crimea 25 mouth was armed and formed during the day .. People came up, recorded and stood up ... By the evening the militia had already exceeded 3000 ... The next day companies began to pull themselves up to the isthmuses where on one 22, on the other 17 the Berkut soldiers were holding the defense .. And after 4 of the day Aksyonov declared that already 15 000 of former officers and military were under arms ...

    And here I think so from yesterday's mobilization probably climbed on caches to hide ...

    Evil wrote? But there are simply no words .. For good, Arrow must go and take people away while they are alive.
    What is the criminal Bezler doing at the head of the militia in Gorlovka ??? His people attacked the checkpoint ??? HE is a former SBU lieutenant colonel, and then he cheated as the director of the cemetery .... I do not understand a lot - why they admit that in the city chat they write where and how many "terrorists" ran, where NONA went ... Left unattended or what?