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Are there barriers to creating a military-ideological control in the Russian Armed Forces?

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The very fact of the full development of the country's security system is a priori associated with high-quality patriotic education. In recent years, there has been talk of the need to improve patriotic education in the ranks of the Russian army, the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and other power segments. However, every time these conversations are not without making a grain of doubt on the part of representatives of the ultraliberal public, they rest on a rather slippery thesis: they say, the improvement of patriotic education is the first step to the formation of a state ideology, and this is a violation of paragraph 2, article XXUMX of the Constitution can not be established as a state or mandatory ").


And in fact this thesis - the thesis of the ban on state ideology - in fact, turned all the post-Soviet years, the domestic army is not a single system that adheres to a single ideological (patriotic) principle, but into a kind of kaleidoscope, the picture in which could change with amazing speed in favor of sentiment military and political elites.

Today, such a principle, which is connected, rather than with democracy, but with permissiveness, makes it clear that further attempts to adhere to it when forming the state security system can lead to a split and destruction of the foundations of statehood. The army, by definition, should be a single mechanism, which is built on a single ideological foundation, where the main link of ideology is patriotism in the very classical understanding of this term.

Are there barriers to creating a military-ideological control in the Russian Armed Forces?


In this regard, quite positively perceived news that in the commission of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation on national security, an initiative was born to revive the administration in the Armed Forces of the country, which will actually be engaged in military ideological work with personnel. The creation of the military-ideological administration (CIU) was initiated by the chairman of the aforementioned committee of the Public Chamber, Alexander Kanshin, whom he quotes. Interfax:

We have nothing to be ashamed of: it is for organizing and carrying out systematic work on explaining the political line of our state in the troops at the present stage it is necessary to create a new main board - the main military ideological department. The need for this is long overdue.

... there is an urgent need to strengthen at all levels the moral and political hardening of soldiers and officers, strengthen the cohesion of army teams to solve a number of critical tasks, including a phased transfer of the army to a new contract basis and re-equipment of military equipment and weapons.

But this initiative also has its pitfalls.

It would seem, why make a fuss and go on the path of the return of the Soviet Chief Political Administration SA and Navy, because even now the Main Directorate of Educational Work of the RF Armed Forces conducts its activities in the Armed Forces. But this is the whole hitch that GU VR is a structure that itself constantly faces the problem: what exactly to take as the basis of the educational process, if any attempt to create a single educational configuration in the Russian army often meets ultra-liberal resistance and disinterested in the full development of the Russian Armed Forces Messrs. "call names" by the construction of a state ideology prohibited by the Constitution. It turns out that the Main Directorate of educational work (work with personnel) itself is in a strange position: it has goals (organizing educational work in the RF Armed Forces in the interests of carrying out state defense and security policy, organizing patriotic education of military personnel, The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to increase the authority and prestige of military service, preserve and enhance patriotic traditions, etc.), but often the fulfillment of these goals is transformed into a formality the consequence of the absence of an objectively common basic ideology. The strangeness of this position is also in the fact that the work of the State Administration of the Republic of Belarus seems to balance at the level of unconstitutionality, since any “particularly human rights” organization has the right to wave and declare that 18-year-old conscripts are “raped” by a mandatory ideology prohibited by the main body of laws .

So what are the pitfalls of the creation of the Main Military-Ideological Directorate?

Will the situation change in practice, if instead of the Main Directorate of Educational Work in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the Main Military Ideological Direction (GUVI) appears today? After all, the same “human rights activists”, who are accustomed to a very one-sided “right-wing protection”, will not be prevented from trying to declare the State Institute of Foreign Affairs to be outlawed. And the most interesting thing is that the current Russian legislation will be on the side of precisely “human rights activists” who care about the inviolability of the Constitution adopted in 1993 year. If so, then you can create any control under absolutely any names, fill them with professional staff, but this very point of the second article of the 13-th Constitution of the Russian Federation will act as a serious barrier to the common patriotic basis of the Armed Forces truly unified and patriotic.

It is worth dwelling on the 13 article of the Constitution of the Russian Federation with the interpretation of the concept of ideology:

Ideology is a system of political, legal, religious, philosophical views on social reality, society, and people's relations among themselves. A characteristic feature of the ideology is that it is directly related to the practical activities of people and is aimed at approving, changing or transforming the existing orders and relations in society.


Ideological diversity is understood as the right of an individual, social groups, political parties and public associations:

1. freely develop theories, views, ideas regarding the economic, political, legal and other structure of the Russian Federation, foreign states and world civilization as a whole;
2. promote their views, ideas through the media: the press, radio, television, as well as through the publication of monographic and popular science works, papers, articles, etc .;
3. to carry out active work on introducing ideology into the practical sphere: to develop program documents of parties, to prepare bills, other documents providing measures to improve the social and political system of the Russian Federation;
4. publicly defend their ideological views, lead an active debate with other ideologies;
5. to demand the elimination of obstacles connected with the realization of the right to ideological Diversity by the court or through other state bodies.


And right there as the sword of Damocles - point 2 of the same article, which needs to be quoted again:

No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.


When you try to link all these positions in a logical chain, it turns out that today the army, if there is such an article of the Constitution, simply does not have legal chances for a single patriotic ideology. More surprisingly, the presented “ideological diversity as a right of an individual” in fact becomes not a right, but almost a duty. That is, if you engage in the cultivation of patriotism among the military, as they say, without exception, then this is a violation of the Constitution, but if you maintain the diversity of their political, philosophical and other views, then this is excellent ...

In such cases it is customary to say: the author of the constitutional article is to the studio!

For more than two decades, it was precisely “diversity” that was maintained. So what? Well, that managed to press the brake, which saved the country's security system from the last step towards the abyss. If they didn’t click ... Ukraine’s variant, in which excessively (without brakes) loved clumsy experiments with the army and political system, as a vivid example of what the “striving for diversity of philosophical views” in the field of government and its security ultimately leads to, imposed from the outside.
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  1. omsbon
    omsbon 23 May 2014 08: 00
    +10
    Without patriotic education, a warrior and a citizen cannot take place !!!
    1. MOISEY
      MOISEY 23 May 2014 08: 20
      +8
      Urgently amend the constitution of Russia and delete the disgraceful clause (invented by the USA) that our state has the right to have its own state ideology.
      1. MOISEY
        MOISEY 23 May 2014 09: 39
        0
        Quote: MOISEY
        our state also has

        sorry typo - "does not have"
      2. Interface
        Interface 23 May 2014 14: 35
        0
        Yeah of course! Do you think the compradoros of 90 times are such fools? To review the constitution, a Constitutional Assembly must be convened. + the constitution contains extremely complex mechanisms for making changes, a lot of level protection, so to speak.
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        2. Signaller
          Signaller 23 May 2014 22: 29
          0
          This is not necessary 75% + 1 deputies per article with amendments and it goes into action. Similarly, 6 years instead of 4 for Putin. Remember, it was recently.
    2. makst83
      makst83 23 May 2014 08: 22
      +3
      I agree, but ... there is no end to work here! It would not be bad to return the system of ideological training introduced in the USSR (before school, school, university education), and it is also necessary to change the Constitution written by the comprador government in 1993, i.e. eliminate or rewrite all those articles that adversely affect the development of the country's security system!
    3. Interface
      Interface 23 May 2014 13: 59
      0
      Patriotism is not a substitute for ideology, but only one of its main components. After all, patriotic education was in the Russian Empire and in the USSR. And the ideologies are different. Under the tsar - "the theory of official nationality": Orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality. "And in the Soviet Union - Marxism-Leninism. Russia today can either:
      1. Rehabilitate the communist ideology. According to surveys, more than half of the population are positive towards it;
      2. Or seek a way out in Eurasianism. In my opinion, this will be a dead end, because there is no practice of building Eurasianism, there are not a lot of followers of the idea, it is not framed as a nat. The idea is generally not known to the majority of the population and can reflectively cause rejection. Although who knows ...
  2. VOLCHOXURAL
    VOLCHOXURAL 23 May 2014 08: 02
    0


    TOP Universal RUSSIAN MOBILIZATION throughout the CIS! (Maximum Repost)
    23 May 2014, Empire
    Guys, everyone who wants and can help their brothers and sisters in Ukraine!

    Everyone understands that this is a war of international bankers and transnational corporations with Russia, Russians, Slavs, with the whole white race. We intentionally pitted to make us even smaller. We are well aware of this, but until we give these dogs a dent in the teeth, and so that all fly out, they will not calm down and will continue and increase this bloody lawlessness.

    Each of us is simply obligated, to ourselves, to our wives and children, to our grandchildren and future generations of the Slavs, to stand up for the protection of our home.

    I am now in Rostov, I can provide a corridor and "EVERYTHING" necessary for this. Many have families and relatives in Ukraine, people simply cannot sit at home when this happens, and they make their way there in small groups of 4,5-10 people, go into the unknown with bare hands !!

    Let's create an IRON FIST and hit them once and for all !! The army will not fight against the people, and those corrupt skins do not know how (this was shown by the attack on the Stanitsa Lugansk checkpoint: out of 60 attacking SS 40 20s and 300 prisoners, with ours there are not even easy XNUMX), so victory will be ours. The question is with the PMCs, but do we have few good "specialists" ??!

    Now all the garbage in the form of mercenaries for the money to kill their brothers has gathered in Ukraine, so let's wipe them off the face of the earth with one IRON FIST !!

    My contacts for coordination:

    Skype: sonnar44, Krasnodon
    E-mail: [email protected]
    Megaphone: + 79381274891
    MTS Ukraine: + 380999011411
    1. INFOLegioner
      INFOLegioner 23 May 2014 11: 03
      0
      this infa may be a provocation of the SBU (CIA) to compromise the movement of volunteers and sabotage. do not be so naive - such things are not done so openly. am
  3. Denis
    Denis 23 May 2014 08: 05
    +5
    The army, by definition, should be a single mechanism that is built on a single ideological foundation, where the main link in ideology is patriotism in the very classical sense of the term
    The main thing here is not to run into formalism, as has already happened. Remember, there is a notebook with political aspects — a good soldier, that runs badly. Or Lenin’s rooms and visual agitation, it reached the point of absurdity. This should be taken as an example for how to do it
    And such a job is indisputably necessary.
    Formalism can ruin everything
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 23 May 2014 14: 16
      +2
      Quote: Denis
      Formalism can ruin everything

      Right! At one time he conducted political studies with soldiers, sergeants, warrant officers. Enough! Zampolitov for a count! Definitely. Stupidity to tell something smart, kind, eternal to a sleepy gang with transparent sleeping eyes and a brain that has not yet woken up, which can be awakened (temporarily!) By either a fresh anecdote or a slap in the face. A complete joke - taking offsets in Marxism-Leninism from the missilemen covering our airfield. All are smart people and make smart faces. Here Todorovsky would like to shoot something better on this topic than "Anchor-anchor!", Even without sexual moments it would be funny.
      1. Msta-s
        Msta-s 23 May 2014 21: 31
        0
        Did you get excited about the political officers? Ideological preparation gives motivation. If in the course on "teeth" a lot can be done. And call them whatever you like - but without political and psycho-emotional preparation, there is nothing to do in the modern environment.
    2. figter
      figter 23 May 2014 18: 22
      +1
      Somehow, in the mid-2000s, an inspecting educator came to the unit and asked the psychologist of the unit, as much as the whole captain, on what principle did he become a psychologist? And he answered him: “They summoned the personnel officer and asked if you want to do nothing, go to psychologists. So I went!” It's good that they were finally cut back. That's really a hot shop! It is better then to return the pure deputy to the battalion commanders, it will be more useful. He is even more responsible for discipline and morale in the battalion than a political officer. And the UCP is a subject of combat training. And a good zamkombat in the course of an accompanying physical training will wrap up such an ideology, not a single educator dreamed of.
  4. NIVH
    NIVH 23 May 2014 08: 13
    +4
    A very relevant topic. It is time to change the patriotic education of youth - the method of the school library system from holiday to holiday (the so-called Calendar of significant dates) is outdated. Boys who graduated from school, who except how to shoot and kill in computer toys can not do anything, must be educated - ideologically. It is not enough to know domestic history; one must be able to be proud of it.
    It is necessary to make the boys proud that they are defending our Fatherland. We were proud that our values ​​are higher and cleaner than Western ones.
  5. mig31
    mig31 23 May 2014 08: 19
    -1
    Apriori, Russia is the standard of spirit, mind, honor and conscience !!!!!!!!!!!
    1. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 23 May 2014 11: 20
      +1
      Quote: mig31
      Apriori, Russia is the standard of spirit, mind, honor and conscience !!!!!!!!!!!


      If it were so, such articles would not have been written.
      There is a problem, so you need to think how to solve it. And amuse yourself with tales of standards
      spirit, mind, honor and conscience !!!!!!!!!!! is an ostrich policy. Priori.
  6. made13
    made13 23 May 2014 08: 42
    +1
    It is high time to revive ideological work. In the same West, active propaganda is being carried out without any hint of ideology. The "screening out" of the necessary information is carried out in the dollar - who needs to be paid for, who does not need to be condemned. All signs of ideological work! And to rewrite the Constitution, written under an alcoholic under the dictation of the Americans!
  7. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 23 May 2014 08: 49
    +2
    There is a lot of talk about canceling this article, but "things are still there" ... The ancient Romans were right - "Look for who benefits from it."
  8. cosmonavt
    cosmonavt 23 May 2014 08: 52
    +1
    Only the Russian Orthodox army can become a reliable shield for Russia. Look at the history of our State. Ideology is a theoretical thought, an idea instilled in everyone. As a rule, artificially. And the strength of spirit is based on faith, on living faith. This faith gives rise to giants of the spirit - Russian soldiers.
    1. sled beach
      sled beach 23 May 2014 11: 26
      +2
      Is this something like Wahhabis in Russian?
  9. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 23 May 2014 08: 57
    +1
    It is very difficult now with a patriotic education. Money is allocated by the center, and in the localities it is "sawed" among its own ... sad
    1. sled beach
      sled beach 23 May 2014 11: 33
      +1
      That is, only money is needed for patriotism! This is a lump of thought, a mountain right. People are crazy and you’re all about ism. Photo corresponds to.
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  10. dmb
    dmb 23 May 2014 09: 09
    +7
    Well I understood everything. Except for two points: What should be the ideology and what the hell is the new management? Well, with the second, everything is clear. The department of educational work cannot cope, but call it ideological, it will cope right away. Considering that the authors of such a concept suggest leaving the educational process as well, it seems to me that they are more concerned with the desire to attach their relatives to a dusty service at public expense. Ideology is more complicated. The definition given by Mr. Volodin is naturally absent in the Constitution, but in essence it is correct. The devil, as always. is in the details. "Ideology ... is aimed at affirming, changing or transforming the existing orders and relations in society." I did not quite understand what these transformations should be in general and in the army in particular, if they do not affect the main - the relationship to property. Patriotic capitalism with a human face is a utopia for all utopias. The patriotism of Vekselberg, Serdyukov and Yakunin will never coincide with the patriotism of a worker, peasant and doctor.
    1. Volodin
      23 May 2014 12: 32
      +2
      Quote: dmb
      Mr. Volodin

      Why then not Mr. V-nym? winked
  11. SLX
    SLX 23 May 2014 09: 19
    +5
    In this regard, the news is quite positive that the initiative of the revival of the government in the Armed Forces of the country, which will actually engage in military-ideological work with the personnel, was born in the commission of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation on national security.


    Another stillborn initiative to simulate violent activity. Of course, military-ideological work in the RF Armed Forces should be conducted, but it cannot be carried out in isolation from the state ideology and from the state system of patriotic education from young nails. Therefore, first you need to revive these systems, and not try to somehow plug only one of the holes on a completely holey bedspread.

    Therefore, the author absolutely correctly began with the Constitution, which is high time to change.
  12. Klim2011
    Klim2011 23 May 2014 09: 47
    0
    Why shouldn’t officers be specialized in the armed forces in the Armed Forces?
  13. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 23 May 2014 09: 52
    0
    Everyone knows that the article in the Constitution dedicated to the prohibition of ideology was prescribed to us by the Americans, because for something to be done we need to consolidate efforts, ideology provides such a consolidation, ideology is banned for us, so it is forbidden to consolidate efforts for something. So why should I obey some overseas uncle? In the coffin, I saw him with his false shit.
  14. Kilo-11
    Kilo-11 23 May 2014 10: 02
    +1
    A GUVIR is being created, and what will happen to the GUVR? Will they exist in parallel? If so, the sun will get a bunch of loafers and not firing military on its neck! propaganda and counter-propaganda in the troops, and not the new institute of commissars-political officers. The most important thing is that this department would really work, and not mess around like the current GUWR!
  15. Andriuha077
    Andriuha077 23 May 2014 10: 13
    +4
    There are no barriers.
    There is only great fear that, instead of ideology, perverts and drunks with obscurantists would not be dragged.
    Trying the sea. All three euro-vices are one thing.
    Who will oppose them?
    * * *

    All necessary ideology has long been in the Charter
    Field Charter of the Red Army (PU-39)
    http://www.rkka.ru/docs/real/pu39/1.htm
    1. The Worker-Peasant Red Army is the armed force of the workers and peasants of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. It is called upon to protect and defend our Motherland, the world's first socialist state of working people.

    The army is stronghold of the world. She is brought up in the spirit of love and devotion to her Motherland, international solidarity with the working people of the whole world. Due to historical conditions, the Red Army exists as an invincible, all-destructive force. So she is, she always will be.

    2. The defense of our country is an active defense.

    The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics will respond to any attack by the enemy with a crushing blow to the full power of its armed forces.

    Our war against attacker the enemy will be the fairest of all wars that the history of mankind knows.
  16. Roshchin
    Roshchin 23 May 2014 10: 51
    +7
    Quote: "To organize and carry out systematic work to clarify the political line of our state in the troops at the present stage, it is necessary to create a new central administration."
    An attempt is being made to create another useless structure of parasites. There is the Main Directorate of Educational Work of the Russian Federation, so let it educate and explain. Who's in the way.
    Suppose they will create an ideological management. Who knows what the political line of the state looks like, which should be explained? It will not work, as in the well-known anecdote - a soldier, looking into the barrel of a machine gun, reports to the foreman: "I see an imaginary line called the axis of the barrel bore."
    When I served, we were told that we are protecting our land, the bowels belonging to the people, rivers, factories and our homes. As new ideologists will explain whose earth is now, whose bowels, forests. And to whom do the factories belong? How many especially young people have homes or at least the foreseeable prospect of having decent housing that they need to protect? Some part of the population lives and uses with might and main and abroad the wealth exported from the country. However, someone must protect all this. I wonder from whom? Is it more from an external threat from an internal one, which can come from the majority of poor and powerless people so far? You do not have to go far for an example. Ukraine. You can’t bring up a lot of verbose verbosity, how many structures do not create.
    Therefore, before creating an unnecessary structure explaining an imaginary political line, it is necessary to work out this very line for the interests of most normal people and strictly adhere to it.
  17. leytenant
    leytenant 23 May 2014 11: 15
    +2
    the author is a plus, but before writing an article about "our" constitution, it was necessary to make inquiries about its authors and how it was received. It was compiled specifically for colonial Russia by specialists of the State Department during the putsch. American advisers and was presented to our deputies as a standard of the main law of a truly democratic country. By the way, all these advisers worked in the Duma and Yeltsin's government quite legally and for quite a long time. The constitution still contains many constraining factors for the country's full sovereignty. I think that in the light of recent events and Putin's max rating, we will soon witness changes in the constitution.
  18. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 23 May 2014 11: 42
    +2
    Patriotic education in the army today. There is a whole block of national training during the classes. There is training on symbols and traditions. And there is much more. Another question is that the platoon and company commander is overloaded with a bunch of other tasks to carry out this work in a quality manner. I am against expanding the staff. In order not to produce extra people, it is necessary to introduce advanced training technologies and carry out the technical equipment of this work. And then we still have soldiers draws war sheets with pencils. Simple, money should be invested in this work. This includes computer hardware, software, etc. Put monitors in the barracks and let the necessary information spin around the clock. And do not get involved in large-scale show events, but more attention to individual work. There are few professionals, however, as in many other areas.
  19. sled beach
    sled beach 23 May 2014 11: 53
    +2
    The only ideology of the state should be the duration of the existence of an independent state and patriotism is born among the masses as a natural reaction to the phenomenon of statehood. It is necessary to destroy organizations that prevent the emergence of love for the motherland and not create new problems. United States organizations in Russia generally need to be eliminated physically, at a reflex level, this viruses, this is dirt in our heads!
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 23 May 2014 11: 55
      +2
      The school program is taken from the Americans. To start with this.
  20. shurup
    shurup 23 May 2014 13: 48
    +2
    I have a barrier, moreover, persistent and erected in the era of developed socialism. And full-time priests also do not need to be in the Army.
    There is a deputy commander for educational work. This is enough, but it is desirable that he simultaneously be a full-time psychologist-psychotherapist with the appropriate education. And this is a very qualified officer.
    But I think that starting from the level of the commander of the service, such specialists are not needed. Therefore, they should not be older than the lieutenant colonel.
    And then we like to spawn generals.
    1. understudy
      understudy 23 May 2014 22: 55
      0
      Educators are, of course, good. But so that it does not happen again with them, as was the case with the political workers, who were the first to "rebuild" in the USSR Armed Forces, and then the first to betray what they fervently hung on the ears of other servicemen. "Faithful Leninists" ... but in fact court jesters and political weathercocks. Therefore, I sincerely, to the depths of my soul, hate them! With rare and tiny exceptions. The "political instructors Klochkovs" degenerated ... But they also had a separate record, separate personnel, a separate training system, separate special ink for party documents ... A real case: After some regular congress of the CPSU, a PMC-NGO of the army arrives, general, summons a subordinate and declares, - Misha (my friend) write there something about MY impressions of the congress, then I will speak in the troops ... GSVG.
      Until the TOP understand that it is impossible to become an educator solely on the basis of the education received, until then they will look at the "commissars" with a grin and ... contempt. I am sure that educators should be recruited only from those who have passed the "command position" ... then specialization, improvement courses ... And that's the only way. Then, the educator will stand on an equal footing next to the commander. When the commander is punished and when he is awarded.
      Well, as for ideology ... If the current constitution directly prohibits state ideology, then this in no way can concern the CORPORATE ETHICS OF THE ARMED FORCES OF RUSSIA. And under it you can "fit" anything you want. The army is a caste and it has "internal" rules of conduct, determined by statutes, orders, instructions and so on. There would be a desire to develop and implement a corporate ... ideology.
  21. Silhouette
    Silhouette 23 May 2014 13: 55
    0
    What kind of rams are running around with crazy ideas ?! Is it really incomprehensible that as long as the Yeltsin Constitution of Russia, written and edited by the US State Department by the hands of the Harvard Boys, exists, there can be no military ideological control in principle? Why fence a garden? It is enough to create a powerful Office under a neutral name - Information Office - and that's it. And to staff it with bright, talented patriots, pay them a good salary and not interfere with work. They themselves will develop and propose a new system of information work, where the most important thing is the presentation of information, because ideology is the presentation, interpretation of information, and the rest is slogans. They are not needed in the army.
  22. ankir13
    ankir13 23 May 2014 17: 55
    0
    Down with n2. St13.RF primarily. Otherwise, an orange bacchanalia!
  23. ankir13
    ankir13 23 May 2014 17: 57
    0
    P2. Article 13. Constitution of the Russian Federation. Down with. Otherwise, control from the outside. First example ruins.
  24. ankir13
    ankir13 23 May 2014 18: 00
    0
    Down with clause 2, article 13 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. Otherwise, orange bacchanalia
    an example
    Ruin.
  25. Metlik
    Metlik 23 May 2014 20: 47
    0
    Ideology is a weapon in the struggle for minds. The Soviet Union was helped by many from abroad, sympathizing with our values.
    But, in my opinion, it is very difficult to find people for such work. A huge role is played by the personality of a person and his beliefs. It is even more difficult to make such a person obey the system. It would be useful to return to the experience of the commissars of the civil war.
    1. Msta-s
      Msta-s 23 May 2014 21: 45
      0
      Maybe it makes sense to revive the institute of military-political schools, with an expanded program, based on modern realities?
  26. Msta-s
    Msta-s 23 May 2014 21: 38
    +2
    Quote: cosmonavt
    Only the Russian Orthodox army can become a reliable shield for Russia. Look at the history of our State. Ideology is a theoretical thought, an idea instilled in everyone. As a rule, artificially. And the strength of spirit is based on faith, on living faith. This faith gives rise to giants of the spirit - Russian soldiers.

    Faith and the ability to fight are slightly different things! Think about where in your message knowledge of the materiel, tactics, mutual assistance, feelings of the elbow! No - the Combat Regulations and Instructions - have nothing to do with the Orthodox army. I apologize, but this is a personal opinion.
  27. Signaller
    Signaller 23 May 2014 22: 49
    +1
    This is what you need. After all, everyone already knows that there are different wars, only the main ones:
    1. War in the field of command and control of troops.
    2. Intelligence and information war.
    3. Electronic warfare.
    4. Psychological warfare.
    5, Hacker war.
    6. Economic information war.
    7. Cyber ​​war.
    so 4-Psychological warfare-1-operations against the national will of the enemy. 2-operations against the military leadership of the enemy.-2-operations against the enemy’s troops. 4-cultural conflict (this is what is now imposed on us in Ukraine) the rest is known.
    Therefore, the forces and means should be directed not only at fostering patriotism, but also at eliminating all these risks. There is a lot of work here. All services must be involved. From service "K" to other services. Including ordinary political informers. Anti-hackers, and the other, everything will be a plus, definitely. (Infa from the book America against all-wars of the future, pp. 100-105 2004)
  28. uzer 13
    uzer 13 23 May 2014 23: 22
    +4
    The system of forced planting of patriotism will lead to exactly the opposite results. Those who served in the Soviet army know this well. A large crowd of parasites will come to the army who can do nothing, but they will smartly teach specialists how to behave. I see this every day at work. Patriotism is based on completely different things, not related to political training classes.
    Here you have to start with this:
  29. Lyuba1965_01
    Lyuba1965_01 25 May 2014 22: 00
    0
    Why argue in vain? While this law is being revised, while we are fighting off the hysterical States, is it not easier to introduce "Zarnitsa" Only, probably, the guys need to somehow push them to this, so that they tear their soft spots from the computer. instead of (or on a par with) physical education lessons? After all, now they show a lot of action movies on TV, and computer games are also kind of like the military. Well, in these games, jerks from the States are bombing Russian troops and armies. Let our kids play a little and practice. It is likely that the boys will want to imitate their TV idols. And teenagers have health benefits, and you can quietly promote them in a patriotic direction. So we will slowly grow up a shift.
  30. Leader
    Leader 26 May 2014 09: 28
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    The deputy politicians in the Soviet army were moral freaks. These corrupt skins, parasites on the army’s body are all hypocrites, sloths and liars.
    They loved their Motherland most of all and were the most loyal communists-"Leninists". Which of them came out to defend the Soviet power and the Soviet Motherland - to which they swore allegiance?
    Return to the army of political leaders - and they will decompose it. Zampolitov - count!
    The best educational tool is only a personal example of commanders! And now they are no example!
    A stupid undertaking, in its background, it has a single goal - to create the next "warm places".
  31. Stasi
    Stasi 26 May 2014 11: 23
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    The main barrier to the creation of so-called ideologues in the army is, firstly, the ban on ideology in the Russian Constitution. And secondly, in the absence of a national idea that could serve as a platform for creating an ideology. In Soviet times, political commissars and political instructors were the first to attack, to raise people into battle. After the war, they began to degenerate, turning into partocrats and opportunists. As a result, the army began to avoid and reject such figures. This was expressed in a well-aimed aphorism by Marshal Zhukov: "In each unit there are three oaks - the political officer, the party organizer, the head of the club." The whole army, quoting this saying, laughed at the party. So it is impossible to create an institution of military political officers in the current army.