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The detention of the crew of the TV channel “LifeNews” is and will be continued, which will hit very hard both in the EU and in the SBU. This concerns MANPADS.

“Half-Specialists” of the Ukrainian Security Service of Ukraine showed too close up a product number, it’s easy to identify history products and place of manufacture. And here the most interesting begins.

As reported by Polish journalists, MANPADS manufactured in Poland according to "stolen" technology from Russia. Then a bit modernized complex.

Question one: who gave Poland the right to make such MANPADS? Then this MANPADS was sold to Georgia, among others, which were used during the military aggression of Tbilisi against South Ossetia.

Question two: on what basis and by whose permission was a counterfeit sold to another state? This is not a pirated DVD. Such sales are controlled at the UN level.

Question three: how and on what basis did these illegal MANPADS come to Ukraine? It turns out that in Georgia there is absolutely no control over the accounting and storage of weapons, and in Ukraine there is absolutely no border service, which is obliged to stop smuggling weaponsincluding the importation of these weapons.

I think that soon all the above questions will be voiced at different levels of international organizations, although I doubt that they will be answered.
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  1. mig31
    mig31 24 May 2014 06: 57
    +30
    , so you need it, for your brainlessness, and for sale by the nails ...
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 24 May 2014 07: 19
      +58
      You may not even know to what extent the Poles are an unscrupulous people. They are trying to consider themselves cunning, but in reality stupid and arrogant.
      In the sphere in which I earn my daily bread against the Poles for a long time unspoken "sanctions", after 2005, very tough, when their embassy insolently threw the cantor, there is nothing to do with them without 100% prepayment.
      1. Kuvabatake
        Kuvabatake 24 May 2014 07: 51
        +18
        And also cowards ...
        1. Eragon
          Eragon 24 May 2014 08: 36
          0
          Quote: Kuvabatake
          And also cowards ...

          But this is in vain. World War II showed - they are anyone, but not cowards.
          1. avg
            avg 24 May 2014 11: 37
            +11
            The detention of the crew of the TV channel “LifeNews” is and will be continued, which will hit very hard both in the EU and in the SBU. This concerns MANPADS.

            Unfortunately, there will be no sequel. The entire former "Warsaw Pact" sells Soviet equipment, and our rare demarches are like water off a duck's back. As for the SBU, they have perked up so many moronic provocations that they themselves are already confused. Plus, performers and leaders change like gloves. Now the president will be a new "spotless" request
            1. from punk
              from punk 24 May 2014 12: 40
              +6
              Quote: avg
              Unfortunately, there will be no continuation

              it definitely won’t be. If the UN already denies that Ukraine used UN helicopters, then they will keep silent about MANPADS
            2. jktu66
              jktu66 24 May 2014 13: 06
              +4
              Unfortunately, there will be no sequel. The entire former "Warsaw Pact" trades in Soviet technology
              Bulgarians rivet Kalashnikovs without any licenses and remorse. Che do not clone mattress weapons, except for China
            3. Duke
              Duke 24 May 2014 13: 55
              +5
              The half-successes of the Ukrainian Security Service of Ukraine showed the product number too close-up, it is easy to determine the history of the product and the place of manufacture from it.

              It seems that the current SBU officers were trained in the same way as the national guard, a week or two.
              1. fif21
                fif21 26 May 2014 15: 50
                0
                Quote: Duke
                the current SBU officers were trained in the same way as the national guard, a week or two.
                I agree with you. And what is this third character in the photo? Hands are not tied, sitting on the master's, and a striped T-shirt. Is this the third detainee? The driver of the car in the trunk of which was MANPADS? Perhaps this is an agent provocateur of the SBU.
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            4. necha265
              necha265 26 May 2014 14: 30
              0
              All chocolaty and fluffy! fellow
            5. aleks 62
              aleks 62 26 May 2014 14: 52
              +1
              Now the president will be a new "spotless"
              ..... Not for long ...
              1. PAM
                PAM 27 May 2014 21: 15
                0
                quite a while already tarnished and not a day has passed!
            6. PAM
              PAM 26 May 2014 18: 26
              +2
              until we begin to punish with the ruble, nothing will change. Unfortunately, our state badly defends the interests of our design bureaus, enterprises in terms of intellectual property, copyright and control of "clones" produced abroad. And so to sue and squeeze the property, or at least arrest the accounts. Look, the states as defend the interests of their industry and on ... er there they will always find a loophole.
            7. GRANATE-19
              GRANATE-19 26 May 2014 22: 09
              0
              Quote: avg
              Now the president will be a new "spotless"

              UNTIL "SPOTLESS" WHILE! ...
              And TIME RUNS - FAST ...
              Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
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          2. Blondy
            Blondy 24 May 2014 12: 15
            +8
            But, in general, in vain the minuses were put in a fit of enthusiasm. Remember the story - about Smolensk, False Dmitry, Moscow. From recent history - the campaign of Tukhachevsky and Stalin to Warsaw. Westerplatte, or like poles with sabers naked on German pearl tanks during World War II.
            Although bastardism in the behavior of the Poles is enough, it is desirable, nevertheless, to maintain objectivity. You can recall, for example, half a million Poles who fought in the ranks of the Wehrmacht against the USSR. Or, having betrayed the memory of 80 thousand Poles carved by Bandera in Volyn during the war, enthusiastically prepared modern Bandera fighters on their territory with American money.
            1. GRANATE-19
              GRANATE-19 26 May 2014 22: 14
              +2
              Quote: Blondy
              Although bastardism in the behavior of the Poles is enough, it is desirable, nevertheless, to maintain objectivity.

              If the apple is wormy, then it is wormy!
              I mean, if possible, the government of such a country will do dirty tricks and one by one for now
              a seasoned blow will not stop this impudence, stupidity, greed, cowardly dirty tricks and so on ...
              This does not apply to the Polish people, but only to a primitively dirty government.
              Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
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          3. vitvit123
            vitvit123 24 May 2014 15: 12
            +5
            But this is in vain. The Second World War showed - they are anyone, but not cowards. [/ Quote]
            I apologize, but in addition to the film about the dog and the tank crews, which I absorbed from childhood, I did not hear something that the Poles are great warriors !!!!!!!
            I've watched the movie "The Flood" and there are also some filmed based on G. Senkevich - great films, well, judging by the way they fought before, they are cowardly !!!!!
            although filmed like the Poles! I was even surprised !!
            1. Tiamat2702
              Tiamat2702 26 May 2014 13: 33
              0
              I generally can’t stand the Poles, but I need to be objective: according to the results of the 20th century, they cannot be blamed for cowardice, and they fought very well.
              1. yur
                yur 26 May 2014 19: 51
                +2
                Quote: Tiamat2702
                but one must be objective: according to the results of the 20th century, they cannot be blamed for cowardice, and they fought very well.
                If a country is constantly trying to "lie down" under someone (they tried to be friends with the Germans, then under the USSR, now under the USA), then this means that there are not enough heroes there.
                1. GRANATE-19
                  GRANATE-19 26 May 2014 22: 25
                  0
                  Quote: yur
                  it means that there are still not enough heroes there.

                  They are, but the question is - are there heroes ?!
                  Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
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          4. Gomel
            Gomel 26 May 2014 14: 24
            0
            traitors, fascists, punishers, policemen ... anyone but cowards, yeah ...
            in fairness: remember the Anders army, which, however, refused to fight on the fronts in the USSR and quietly escaped to Iran and then to Palestine, from where they all went to fight (Italy Monte Cassino monastery) paving the way for the British with their Pshek corpses, which epics so far (I don’t understand everything: national identity, there is propaganda, a prostitute .. oh, this is not from this opera ... but still in June 42 was VERY necessary, they still remembered Lubyanka Siberia, etc. )

            On the other hand, Doher Pshekov was in the ranks of the KA and they still took Berlin with us, huh ...
            1. Turkir
              Turkir 26 May 2014 14: 36
              +3
              AK - this is the army of Craiova, shot in the back of our soldiers. Obeyed the emigrant government in London. They were not in Berlin.
              AL is the army of Ludov, formed on our territory from Polish patriots.
              1. Edward
                Edward 26 May 2014 17: 55
                0
                I remember in Soviet childhood I read a book about AL. I remember that I liked it. now you’ll hardly find her
          5. zarip.sim
            zarip.sim 26 May 2014 14: 49
            +3
            they are not cowards, they are like a prostitute cheap, not yours, not ours. They fought the second with banderlogs, and now they only help us to spoil them. And who are they after that
          6. fyvaprold
            fyvaprold 26 May 2014 15: 00
            +4
            Quote: Eragon
            But this is in vain. World War II showed - they are anyone, but not cowards.

            Not cowards, but big lovers of someone else's "help" and riding to Paradise on someone else's hump. Poland is the most disgusting country in the world. IMHO. With respect.
          7. Bormental
            Bormental 26 May 2014 22: 02
            +1
            Just the 2nd World War showed all the cowardice and meanness of the Polish elite, who scrambled ahead of their own screeching. I recommend reading "Anti-Russian meanness" by Yuri Mukhin.
        2. CALL.
          CALL. 24 May 2014 14: 01
          +4
          Quote: Kuvabatake
          And also cowards ...

          And they are also trying to tear money from Russia, for the Polish cowardly officers who were shot by the Germans in September 1941.

        3. kostik1301
          kostik1301 24 May 2014 19: 13
          0
          were and will be political prostitutes .....
          1. fyvaprold
            fyvaprold 26 May 2014 17: 38
            0
            Quote: kostik1301
            were and will be political prostitutes ..

            I think excessive politicization is inappropriate here - just prostitutes. With respect.
      2. Saratovets
        Saratovets 24 May 2014 08: 23
        +22
        Moreover, even Poles born and raised in Russia.
        I have a good friend, he thinks he is a Pole))
        This is something! When it comes to the discussion of the Poles, the main argument in the dispute is that he is free as the wind, he is in the field and with a saber, and you are Russian slaves inside you have the Tsar and we have an ancient democracy (does not resemble anything ??).
        Moreover, he is a very good person if you do not conduct joint affairs)))
        Thanks to him, I perceive Polish chauvinism as the eccentricity that is imposed on them by their understanding of the history of Poland - a complex of sacrifice.
        When you remind him of the film 4 tankers and the dog he immediately blown away and admits that it is better this is the friendship of the Poles with the Russians)))
        1. andj61
          andj61 24 May 2014 09: 58
          +17
          So all these show-offs in Ukraine are from Poland. The word "mosk a l" is not of Ukrainian origin, but of Polish. On the territory of present-day Ukraine, if they wanted to emphasize that a person from the Grand Duchy of Moscow, they used to say "Muscovite", Poles - "m o s k al." There is no negativity here - just a citizen of the Moscow principality. And themselves and all those who speak the same language were called Russians living in Ukraine, or rather, Russian. But the Poles considered themselves better than all Russians, all the more better than those living in the Moscow principality, and then the kingdom.
          Galicia, being a long time under Poland and Austria-Hungary, took precisely this Polish neglect of the Russians.
          As for democracy, Poland in the Middle Ages was a noble democracy elevated to an absolute. One of the members of the Seimas said: we will not allow! "- and no decision can be made. This is what put an end to the existence of Poland and led to its partition. A parallel can also be drawn in relation to Ukraine in the 21st century.
          Now the Poles are very upset that Moscow, and not Krakow or Warsaw, became the center of the creation of the great Slavic state. Indeed, at the beginning of the 16 century, the Commonwealth was much richer and stronger than the Grand Duchy of Moscow, and in one of the parts of the Speech, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, there were twice as many Russians as in Moscow.
          These are the lessons of history.
          1. jktu66
            jktu66 24 May 2014 13: 33
            0
            So all these show-offs in Ukraine are from Poland.
            Oh don't tell !! There du.ri always had enough
        2. jktu66
          jktu66 24 May 2014 13: 10
          +2
          Moreover, even Poles born and raised in Russia.
          A distant relative of his wife complained that he was a Pole. He has been living in polyands for more than 20 years, and everyone considers him to be Russian.
          1. Edward
            Edward 26 May 2014 17: 58
            0
            people know better from the outside - blood does not always make itself felt.
        3. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
          +4
          I am also a Pole by nationality. So what?
          I am a citizen of Russia, I gave 12 to our army for years and I don’t have anything against the Russians, but I’m very much against the Poles from Poland when they slander my homeland.

          And now there is a feeling (after comments) that I am a coward, pshek, an inferior citizen and in Russia is not needed.
          1. tolancop
            tolancop 26 May 2014 15: 53
            +1
            The explanation is simple: formally - Pole, in fact - Russian ...
          2. Cynic
            Cynic 26 May 2014 17: 31
            +1
            Quote: Salavat EMERCOM
            And now there is a feeling (after comments) that I am a coward, pshek, an inferior citizen and in Russia is not needed.

            Bad, so you have a Pole, some part of Pshek is!
            Seriously, then _
            You cannot insult someone who is not.

            You
            Quote: Salavat EMERCOM
            coward, pshek, defective citizen and in Russia is not needed

            I don’t think so, what kind of ... pay attention to idle breaches, and also write
            Quote: Salavat EMERCOM
            gave our army 12 years

          3. Edward
            Edward 26 May 2014 18: 00
            +1
            in Ukraine, 86% of the population consider Russian my native.
            not all comments are adequate. never mind :)
          4. yur
            yur 26 May 2014 20: 01
            +1
            Quote: Salavat EMERCOM
            And now there is a feeling (after
            You are a RUSSIAN Pole and Russia needs you. hi
        4. Turkir
          Turkir 26 May 2014 14: 38
          0
          He does not have Polish psychology, but gentry.
          For them, their own people are slaves.
        5. Edward
          Edward 26 May 2014 17: 56
          0
          copy current Ukrainians
        6. GRANATE-19
          GRANATE-19 26 May 2014 22: 32
          0
          Quote: Saratovets
          Moreover, even Poles born and raised in Russia.
          I have a good friend, he thinks he is a Pole))
          This is something! When it comes to the discussion of the Poles, the main argument in the dispute is that he is free as the wind, he is in the field and with a saber, and you are Russian slaves inside you have the Tsar and we have an ancient democracy (does not resemble anything ??).
          Moreover, he is a very good person if you do not conduct joint affairs)))
          Thanks to him, I perceive Polish chauvinism as the eccentricity that is imposed on them by their understanding of the history of Poland - a complex of sacrifice.
          When you remind him of the film 4 tankers and the dog he immediately blown away and admits that it is better this is the friendship of the Poles with the Russians)))

          How well your example describes the character of the Poles!
          All the same, life is life and its example cannot be faked
          and you won’t change it!
          You drew a line with your story.
          Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
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      3. DMB87
        DMB87 24 May 2014 08: 28
        +17
        Therefore, they pay Gazprom for gas the most, if I am not mistaken, 525,5 $. Ponte pay.
        1. Predator
          Predator 24 May 2014 09: 35
          +9
          And they will pay for the show-offs and 1000, for the evil of Russia! laughing
      4. jktu66
        jktu66 24 May 2014 13: 02
        0
        You may not even know to what extent the Poles are an unscrupulous people. They are trying to consider themselves cunning, but in reality stupid and arrogant.
        most corrupt. Somehow, one tried to sell me some kind of h.r.e., surprised by his lamentations that he could not stand the Germans, making excuses for the German numbers in his car.
      5. APASUS
        APASUS 24 May 2014 13: 12
        +2
        Quote: Humpty
        They try to consider themselves cunning, but in reality stupid and arrogant.

        And they practically prepared this operation in a hurry, which was something tossed ............ brains were not enough to lose the consequences.
      6. VNP1958PVN
        VNP1958PVN 24 May 2014 13: 20
        +1
        How is it that we do not know, but western Ukraine, whose relatives? Have seen enough and heard a damn ...
      7. demon184
        demon184 26 May 2014 12: 51
        +2
        The Poles betrayed Slavs when they adopted Catholicism and they developed an inferiority complex, and it seems like they renounced the Slavs and fell under Europe and all are not rushing
        1. GRANATE-19
          GRANATE-19 26 May 2014 22: 37
          0
          Quote: demon184
          The Poles betrayed Slavs when they adopted Catholicism and they developed an inferiority complex, and it seems like they renounced the Slavs and fell under Europe and all are not rushing

          Judas also has "no pearl" ...
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      8. Consul-t
        Consul-t 26 May 2014 17: 03
        +3
        One trucker told me.
        We stood in the parking lot in Poland. Nearby stood a Pole. Well, they invited me into the cabin to the table, fed, watered ...
        We drank well, got up in the morning, a hangover is understandable, but we must go. Wound up and started off. And the Pole who drank with them called the police and handed them over that the Russian carriers were coming from a hangover. The police slowed down everyone (there were several cars). The Pole poked a finger at them. The police then did not let them go for 15 minutes, giving the Pole away to go along the highway.
        Ours were then ready to break it. Not caught up.
        These are psheki
        1. GRANATE-19
          GRANATE-19 26 May 2014 22: 39
          0
          Quote: Consul-t
          Ours were then ready to break it. They didn’t catch up.

          I say - Judah ...
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    2. Siberian German
      Siberian German 24 May 2014 07: 27
      +9
      and this is how everything is scorching
    3. VAF
      VAF 24 May 2014 15: 00
      +1
      Quote: mig31
      for brainlessness


      The fact that this is a "poorly directed and ugly set and executed hat" .. this is understandable even for a child, but the problem is that all "our partners" wassat represented by the UN, PACE, OSCE ... they didn’t even get out of infancy ..... the only thing is that the car is 10 and they carried a 2-meter MANPADS in the trunk .. it's like belay

      I was frankly immediately embarrassed by another thing. As soon as they started showing these footage ... there were three detainees ... our ... with a wing into the ground ... our arms were twisted back with our knees, and on the edge this check ... in a striped one (I almost said. . in a bathing suit, as in Lanovoy in the Striped flight "so neatly stand on your knees. And just keeps your handles in front of your head.
      In the photo, he’s generally our farts behind his back in bracelets. And this one .... on a bench, lounging, arms to one side .. there isn’t enough beer and seeds ... to complete the picture.
      people who will explain, "sho STE for people"? maybe the decoy who lured our reporters? recourse
    4. Sterlya
      Sterlya 25 May 2014 02: 01
      0
      Yes, the Poles are a complete tryndets, even W. Churchill (who threw them) compared them with a hyena
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 26 May 2014 14: 40
        0
        As far back as 1938, the Polish government suggested Hitler to attack the USSR.
    5. GRANATE-19
      GRANATE-19 26 May 2014 22: 04
      0
      Quote: mig31
      , so you need it, for your brainlessness, and for sale by the nails ...

      Andriy looked around: before him Taras! He shook his whole body and suddenly became pale ...
      In an instant, Andrii’s anger disappeared, no matter how it happened at all. And he saw before him only a terrible father.
      “Well, what are we going to do now?” - said Taras, looking directly at him
      eyes.
      But Andriy did not know anything to say, and stood with his eyes downcast in the ground.
      - What, son, did your Poles help you?
      Andriy was unrequited.
      - So sell it? sell faith? sell your? Wait, get off the horse!
      Submissively, like a child, he got down from his horse and stopped neither dead nor alive.
      in front of Taras. "


      More details: http://karelinform.ru/article/politics/41118/pomogli_lyahi#ixzz32qWKrQCQ
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  2. zavesa01
    zavesa01 24 May 2014 07: 00
    +10
    As always they say the facts are rigged. I'm not me and not my hut.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 24 May 2014 07: 04
      +9
      They will steal, supposedly, stolen many years ago from burnt out warehouses.
      The perpetrators are punished. And nobody was selling anything. "They will understand."
      Old songs about the main thing - X!
      1. Predator
        Predator 24 May 2014 09: 41
        +6
        So we need to land an Il 76 with MANPADS and RPGs in Lugansk in an emergency! Accident, what can we do, and the "separatists", the dogs, took them away! request
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 24 May 2014 07: 58
      +4
      they say otherwise, the GRU captured MANPADS as a trophy in 08 and has now provoked
    3. Orik
      Orik 24 May 2014 10: 38
      0
      Quote: zavesa01
      As always they say the facts are rigged. I'm not me and not my hut.

      They can always say that this complex was seized by the RA in 2008 and to blame everything on us.
  3. ALEX74
    ALEX74 24 May 2014 07: 03
    +7
    They will fall off again, and the Americans will cover them again.
    1. GRANATE-19
      GRANATE-19 26 May 2014 22: 49
      +1
      Quote: ALEX74
      They will fall off again, and the Americans will cover them again.

      Yes, they will not care
      do not care what they will cover-STAND ON YOUR RESEARCH RESULTS AND ALL THERE! And to trump the truth in all newspapers, on all channels and in all forums, to connect world famous people to this and to spread and spread the TRUTH WORLDWIDE! IT CANNOT BE THAT DOESN'T GET TO SOBER MINDS IF SUCH REMAINING IN THE WORLD!
      Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
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  4. Revolver
    Revolver 24 May 2014 07: 11
    +8
    Pans burned
  5. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 24 May 2014 07: 16
    +4
    Answers to questions will be found if GDP is more insistently asking! Just palm off simple switchmen as the guilty! In any case, flogging is more tough to act against the West !!! good
  6. mamont5
    mamont5 24 May 2014 07: 20
    +4
    Yes, everything is clear. Feel under the wing of the United States, that's impudent in full. But no matter how much the rope does not twist, the end will still be.
  7. ochakow703
    ochakow703 24 May 2014 07: 23
    +7
    And I think that everything needs to be done not SO! In the end, we, a self-sufficient country, and if they steal from us, then thieves must be punished. We figure it out ourselves and punish ourselves. Well, for example, raise the price of gas per hundred square meters, or something else, you never know leverage. And what, our gas, we ourselves want to burn, we want to trade. But you don’t need to coo about the fact that simple and not innocent people will suffer from these cases. They are simply not there.
  8. philip
    philip 24 May 2014 07: 34
    +7
    [Quote]
    I think that soon all the above questions will be voiced at different levels of international organizations, although I doubt that they will be answered.
    [Quote
    And I have no doubt. There will be no answers. In today's world there is one right - the right of the strong. And the mission of RUSSIA is the right to cancel.
  9. Egoza
    Egoza 24 May 2014 07: 35
    +14
    How lovely! Now you need to use this material to 100%. And not only about the stolen technology and the sale of weapons, but also about the fact that these weapons are presented as Russian!
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 24 May 2014 07: 40
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      How lovely! Now you need to use this material to 100%. And not only about the stolen technology and the sale of weapons, but also about the fact that these weapons are presented as Russian!


      Such a thing cannot be left unpunished. These are not fake perfumes and cognac.
      Invite Polish representatives to Smolensk for an explanation.
      1. alexng
        alexng 24 May 2014 10: 03
        +1
        Quote: Humpty
        Invite Polish representatives to Smolensk for an explanation.


        Together with the Ukrainian fascist shobla.
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 24 May 2014 12: 59
          +2
          Quote: alexneg
          Quote: Humpty
          Invite Polish representatives to Smolensk for an explanation.


          Together with the Ukrainian fascist shobla.

          On a fig to us in Smolensk their fascist shobla? No, it's better. We are to them and not with counterfeit ...
          1. Humpty
            Humpty 24 May 2014 14: 16
            +6
            PENZYAC SU Today, 12:59 PM ↑

            In the Smolensk region, as you know, the descendants of Susanin live.
            1. yur
              yur 26 May 2014 20: 14
              +2
              Quote: Humpty
              In the Smolensk region, as you know, the descendants of Susanin live.
              A plus. But, actually, the descendants of Susanin should live in the Kostroma region. laughing
        2. jktu66
          jktu66 24 May 2014 14: 00
          +1
          Together with the Ukrainian fascist shobla.
          But these do not need to be called to our territory, if they come to the Russian Federation, then only under guard and in court
          1. GRANATE-19
            GRANATE-19 26 May 2014 22: 57
            0
            Quote: jktu66
            But these do not need to be called to our territory, if they come to the Russian Federation, then only under guard and in court

            In the North Caucasian District Military Court in Rostov-on-Don.
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      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac 24 May 2014 12: 53
        +1
        Quote: Humpty
        Quote: Egoza
        How lovely! Now you need to use this material to 100%. And not only about the stolen technology and the sale of weapons, but also about the fact that these weapons are presented as Russian!


        Such a thing cannot be left unpunished. These are not fake perfumes and cognac.
        Invite Polish representatives to Smolensk for an explanation.

        It’s better not to Smolensk, but to Smolenskaya ...
    2. Lunic
      Lunic 24 May 2014 07: 40
      +3
      We must not forget that during the events of 08.08, the Russian Armed Forces captured a huge amount of weapons of the escaping Georgian army. How not to get a boomerang effect with similar charges
      1. Coffeine61
        Coffeine61 24 May 2014 08: 11
        +1
        Quote: Lunic
        We must not forget that during the events of 08.08, the Russian Armed Forces captured a huge amount of weapons of the escaping Georgian army. How not to get a boomerang effect with similar charges

        I agree with this, and with the fact that the "psheki" people are still something ...
      2. Suhov
        Suhov 24 May 2014 08: 32
        +8
        Quote: Lunic
        We must not forget that during the events of 08.08, the Russian Armed Forces captured a huge amount of weapons of the escaping Georgian army. How not to get a boomerang effect with similar charges

        I won’t be surprised if:

        As "experts"laughing
        will invite Polish "semi-specialists" good(definition liked)
        who will establish that belay
        number on MANPADS engraved in Putin's handwriting! wassat
        1. tokens2
          tokens2 24 May 2014 08: 47
          +2
          As "expert" laughing

          Xpert - Specialist in X (X) scientist
          Expert-Specialist in Exam (Expropriation)
          lol The difference in scientific approaches is obvious.
          And all over the place ... expert community.
  10. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 24 May 2014 07: 49
    +2
    If you take it well, you can promote not a bad deal, three countries belonging to us are rude in the batch.
  11. Velesovich
    Velesovich 24 May 2014 08: 09
    0
    Dummies hastened to curry favor and at least show someone on the video) And then every day they caught the FSB generals, but they were so secret that they couldn’t even be photographed)) Curious ... I wonder when old Obama will endure the tricks of his creation in the barracks?
  12. pOpolzen
    pOpolzen 24 May 2014 08: 16
    +2
    Caught, burnt, stuck, flew well, where are the brains then, aaaaaaa !!!!
  13. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 24 May 2014 08: 27
    0
    Quote: Humpty
    Quote: Egoza
    How lovely! Now you need to use this material to 100%. And not only about the stolen technology and the sale of weapons, but also about the fact that these weapons are presented as Russian!


    Such a thing cannot be left unpunished. These are not fake perfumes and cognac.
    Invite Polish representatives to Smolensk for an explanation.

    Yeah, right to the place where the plane crashed! yes
    1. yur
      yur 26 May 2014 20: 35
      0
      Quote: kot28.ru
      Yeah, right to the place where the plane crashed!
      Not "to that place", but to THAT place. laughing
  14. Vova
    Vova 24 May 2014 09: 01
    -8
    Who cares what kind of MANPADS it is, Polish, Georgian, French, maybe even Soviet. What is the difference counterfeit, real, self-made, riveted in the garage on the knee. Do not deviate from the topic. How did he end up in the same car with reporters?
    1. Orik
      Orik 24 May 2014 10: 36
      +5
      Quote: Vova
      Who cares what kind of MANPADS it is, Polish, Georgian, French, maybe even Soviet. What is the difference counterfeit, real, self-made, riveted in the garage on the knee. Do not deviate from the topic. How did he end up in the same car with reporters?

      How-to, tossed!
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 24 May 2014 10: 54
      +3
      Quote: Vova
      How did he end up in the same car with reporters?

      And who said that he was there?
      Those who delayed?
      Yeah.
      Are there any prints ?!
      It would be very strange if they were not there! Or statements that they are there!

      Well, you are just like a child.
      Everything is at the level of _ I believe, I do not believe. And reasoning about where and why ...
      You know how they said in due time _ Do not know we will teach, do not want to force!
      wink
    3. Balamyt
      Balamyt 25 May 2014 18: 14
      +1
      End justifies the means! With such an irrepressible desire for dill, in the trunk they could find the rifle from which Kennedy was shot!
    4. Curious
      Curious 26 May 2014 19: 40
      0
      And how do drugs end up in a car or in a citizen’s pocket if he didn’t put them there?
  15. Turk
    Turk 24 May 2014 09: 03
    +3
    Quote: Nagan
    Pans burned

    Even as they burned! It is a sin to steal.
  16. made13
    made13 24 May 2014 09: 22
    +1
    Let’s see how our Midovites unleash the situation around the PZRK — we must cling to each episode in mind and promote Europe to sanction against the Psheks and Georgians.
  17. marder4
    marder4 24 May 2014 09: 52
    +1
    yes - SBUshniki, too, specialists
  18. Agent 008
    Agent 008 24 May 2014 09: 57
    0
    Yes, the Poles rivet any murder weapon, if only it would shoot towards Russia ...
    1. persei
      persei 26 May 2014 16: 31
      0
      this is true!
  19. Cynic
    Cynic 24 May 2014 10: 10
    +1
    Quote: Serg 7281
    in Georgia there is absolutely no control over the accounting and storage of weapons, and in Ukraine there is absolutely no border service

    On the contrary, I’m more than sure that the opposite is true!
    PolandA> Georgia> Ukraine and everything at the interstate level. Informal but interstate!
  20. sokrat7
    sokrat7 24 May 2014 10: 19
    0
    All this blatant lie pouring from the lips of Turchinov and others like that, only thanks to the support of the USA. They have lost a human face. There is nothing to talk about with them. And our President is doing the right thing, having nothing to do with them. And with regards to MANPADS - everything will be launched on the brakes. Case is hushed up.
  21. jovanni
    jovanni 24 May 2014 10: 25
    +1
    Yes, these MANPADS should poke "our Western partners" in the face at all possible events. Until full awareness, and enlightenment in the brain.
    AND! and helicopters with UN coloring ...
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 24 May 2014 10: 41
      0
      Quote: Jovanni
      Yes, these MANPADS should poke "our Western partners" in the face at all possible events.

      Why in the face? Muzzle in SHIT, their favorite ...
  22. northern
    northern 24 May 2014 10: 32
    +1
    For a long time they did not fly to Smolensk ...
  23. vtur
    vtur 24 May 2014 10: 53
    +1
    Quote: Saratovets

    When you remind him of the film 4 tankers and the dog he immediately blown away and admits that it is better this is the friendship of the Poles with the Russians)))

    How can you draw any conclusions on the basis of a children's series (by the way, quite good for its time)? The Poles fought not only on the eastern front (where the Polish Army was pretty diluted by the officers of the Red Army with Ukrainian-Polish surnames - this is shown in the series), but also took part in the Battle of England (the future American ass "Gabby" Gabreski was actually trained by the Poles) and in Italy (in the area of ​​Monte Cassino there were bloody battles) ... I deliberately omitted the theme of 1939 so as not to provoke the public ...
    1. Shaki's memory
      Shaki's memory 25 May 2014 20: 29
      0
      That's just about Monte Cassino can’t get drunk .. Read carefully how it was .. The Poles entered the position of the Fritz after they left after the bloody bath arranged by him NOT by the Poles !!!!
  24. Anrie
    Anrie 24 May 2014 10: 57
    +2
    The last 25 years, after the victory of the ideology of world democracy, have been too "calm". Everything seemed to be honest and noble, well, except for the minor costs with the Balkans, Iraq ... but an abscess will always break through. Now more and more facts are being revealed that are no longer possible not only to hide, but even simply to bring a reasonable justification for them. The stage of the collapse of the "democratic-capitalist" American-West European world order and Western civilization began in history.
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  26. Goblin 28
    Goblin 28 24 May 2014 11: 17
    +1
    Quote: andj61
    So all these show-offs in Ukraine are from Poland. The word "mosk a l" is not of Ukrainian origin, but of Polish. On the territory of present-day Ukraine, if they wanted to emphasize that a person from the Grand Duchy of Moscow, they used to say "Muscovite", Poles - "m o s k al." There is no negativity here - just a citizen of the Moscow principality. And themselves and all those who speak the same language were called Russians living in Ukraine, or rather, Russian. But the Poles considered themselves better than all Russians, all the more better than those living in the Moscow principality, and then the kingdom.
    Galicia, being a long time under Poland and Austria-Hungary, took precisely this Polish neglect of the Russians.
    As for democracy, Poland in the Middle Ages was a noble democracy elevated to an absolute. One of the members of the Seimas said: we will not allow! "- and no decision can be made. This is what put an end to the existence of Poland and led to its partition. A parallel can also be drawn in relation to Ukraine in the 21st century.
    Now the Poles are very upset that Moscow, and not Krakow or Warsaw, became the center of the creation of the great Slavic state. Indeed, at the beginning of the 16 century, the Commonwealth was much richer and stronger than the Grand Duchy of Moscow, and in one of the parts of the Speech, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, there were twice as many Russians as in Moscow.
    These are the lessons of history.

    The word mosk and l is just Ukrainian, as the soldiers in Little Russia were called under the tsar-father. It comes from the Ukrainian mosque - to shave. All the soldiers, especially the recruits, were shaved. Therefore, they were called so - mosk and l and. We had a very good Ukrainian teacher at one time, and she explained this back in the 70s. This is also in the works of Shevchenko, especially in prose. There are even lines of poetry of him - ... and his brother was taken to moscow and to the army. In Soviet and post-Soviet times it came from the Bandera, where the Red Army - m about with k and l and on "their language" - pressed this trash.
  27. Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 May 2014 11: 25
    0
    Yes, it seems to me that they won’t even hear the question. Or they pretend not to hear. So here it’s just for history to register who participated in the first Ukrainian war.
  28. Victor-M
    Victor-M 24 May 2014 11: 40
    +2
    I think that soon all the above issues will be voiced at different levels of international organizations

    Nothing will be voiced, because they have already voiced during the detention of journalists, and even more so to understand this. This legal chaos on the part of the West will continue until Russia and its allies create alternative organizations similar to the International Tribunal and a force bloc such as NATO.
  29. Barakuda
    Barakuda 24 May 2014 11: 44
    +3
    Russia was in a hurry to set up production of "Igla" in Poland .. nobody stole anything there, everything was at the official level. Graduated in 2004. "Thunder" in my memory .. It does not justify not clean businessmen.
  30. Midshipman
    Midshipman 24 May 2014 12: 54
    +1
    On the internet there are footage of our TV channel from 'yatiya manned anti-aircraft missile systems of the Georgian troops during the war 08.08.08 with the same numbers
  31. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 24 May 2014 12: 55
    0
    I don’t perceive Ukraine as a rightful state at this given country, just finished idiots may not see the obvious west in a hurry to create full house and lawlessness there, and they prepare the ground for this, then they’ll remove all these weapons it will take years, and all the neglect to catch decades. We see how they are trying to immerse Russia in my homeland, and Ukraine is the most optimum place for dying, the chronicle is transparent and so far!
  32. Santor
    Santor 24 May 2014 13: 22
    +9
    Yes, the Poles have already investigated ... The numbers brought the weapons that our troops seized in Georgia, I don’t want to go to their site now ...... They have something else there - THUNDER is really issued illegally, and now there will be problems, they so angry with Ukrainians ...

    I have another question - how did two 170 centimeter pipes with a diameter of 20 cm each, even wrapped in a blanket, be crammed into the trunk .... The second question is why ... Did the driver participate in this provocation? Or maybe the young guys got the blood of adventurism, they asked me to let you in, they would not inspect you?

    We can only guess now - judging by the stubbornness of the SBU, they have something specific, but the State Department and the OSCE also refused.

    I would advise the militias to capture an American journalist and show in close-up how three Stingers, two M-60 machine guns, 10 M-16 rifles, a space communications station, and a 130 mm howitzer are unhooked from the towbar ... And all this with honest and innocent eyes, a lot of witnesses .. Yes, among the documents, a CIA certificate and photographs in American uniform against the background of burning Baghdad .....
    1. andj61
      andj61 24 May 2014 15: 45
      +2
      Quote: Santor
      I would advise the militias to capture an American journalist and show in close-up how three Stingers, two M-60 machine guns, 10 M-16 rifles, a space communications station, and a 130 mm howitzer are unhooked from the towbar ... And all this with honest and innocent eyes, a lot of witnesses .. Yes, among the documents, a CIA certificate and photographs in American uniform against the background of burning Baghdad .....


      Right! Moreover, to show that all this comes from the trunk of one car. At the same time, to the question, how could it all fit? - honestly answer: Fuck knows, but it was all there!
  33. Anti-ukra
    Anti-ukra 24 May 2014 13: 24
    +1
    If anyone wants to provide real assistance to the Army of the Southeast, here is the link there you will see everything + a receipt for the transfer. Http://anna-news.info/node/16288, http://veche-info.ru/images/stories/kvitanciya_samooborona. pdf ---------- this is a receipt. It is necessary to soak the boys manenko.
  34. polite people
    polite people 24 May 2014 13: 57
    0
    On the thief and the hat burns.
  35. VD chauvinist
    VD chauvinist 24 May 2014 14: 29
    +1
    Psheks are still stupid people. They don’t even learn from their mistakes. Already flatter with pleasure when the West approvingly pats them on the shoulder after another Russophobic muck.
    But the West, giving them "indestructible guarantees", has never (!!!) helped them. These guarantees always ended in failure for the Polish non-state.
    Examples? There are many of them. The audience is literate, it makes no sense to repeat.
    So, clairvoyant, in orderly rows, poetically, and with a song, into the historical abyss - march march !!!
  36. voveim
    voveim 24 May 2014 14: 37
    0
    Well, the Poles can’t resist, so that they won’t bite Russia once again, even if it’s disgusting, vile, stealth ... And what’s most surprising: they would not see Danzig, Silesia, or the western border along the Oder and Neise as their ears, if not for Stalin and the Red Army. I'm not talking about the fact that Hitler would surely have sucked all their heads into the stoves, right after the Jews ...
    But what about the West, so dearly beloved by all of Poland? Even if you don’t remember how London and Paris in the autumn of the 39th, they threw Warsaw calmly under German tanks? Two examples of everything from the 44th year: Arnhem and Monte Cassino. In both cases, the Allies of the Poles used cannon fodder, in fact they brought them under execution. This, as they say, is a medical fact. Nevertheless, they are white and fluffy, and Russia is the enemy.
  37. Barakuda
    Barakuda 24 May 2014 16: 30
    +1
    Quote: voveim
    in cold blood threw the German tanks?

    Before this, the Wehrmacht and the Polish Army entered Czechoslovakia .. And then there was Molotov with his pact.
  38. pvv113
    pvv113 25 May 2014 00: 01
    +5
    Quote: Eragon
    Quote: Kuvabatake
    And also cowards ...

    But this is in vain. World War II showed - they are anyone, but not cowards.
    During WWII, the Poles had a very popular song about the heroism of the Poles: "The Polish army took Berlin, the Russian army helped." In general, the Germans defeated these heroes in a month
  39. Captain45
    Captain45 25 May 2014 09: 41
    +1
    To close the topic of the heroism of the Poles in World War II, I strongly recommend that you find and read the book "The Vile of the Vile" by Jerzy Klimkowski, adjutant of General Anders. The beginning of the war and the subsequent actions of the Polish army and its commander Gen. Anders are very informative.
  40. Xlistx
    Xlistx 26 May 2014 12: 48
    0
    The Ukrainian SBU shows something very strange "professionalism".
    1. Svyatopolk
      Svyatopolk 26 May 2014 15: 35
      -1
      Well, these are Ukrainians! What do you want from them? The country was plundered and pissed off, the gas pipe is periodically robbed, the world beggars, they have an army - laughing chickens! Independent Ukrainians lay down with amers under a geishop, legs spread wide with pleasure. They can only jump like stupid and yell "htoy not jump - that m.skal." You can't think of anything dumber and more idiotic! And, however, jumping is better than working. And you expect some kind of professionalism from them.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 26 May 2014 17: 35
      0
      Quote: XLISTX
      The Ukrainian SBU shows something very strange "professionalism".

      Among pros there are no people with suicidal tendencies, rare exceptions only confirm the rule.
  41. petr80
    petr80 26 May 2014 14: 10
    0
    Quote: jktu66
    Unfortunately, there will be no sequel. The entire former "Warsaw Pact" trades in Soviet technology
    Bulgarians rivet Kalashnikovs without any licenses and remorse. Che do not clone mattress weapons, except for China

    Quote: jktu66
    Unfortunately, there will be no sequel. The entire former "Warsaw Pact" trades in Soviet technology
    Bulgarians rivet Kalashnikovs without any licenses and remorse. Che do not clone mattress weapons, except for China

    Yusovskie rifles are difficult to manufacture unlike AK
  42. necha265
    necha265 26 May 2014 14: 45
    0
    I'm just sure that JUDA was a Pole and no one on this planet will convince me !!! A greedy, greedy people with all the additional components to the above! I personally met in Wroclaw !! fellow
  43. sychovseroga
    sychovseroga 26 May 2014 15: 50
    0
    and when these fascists override each other ... recourse
  44. raven75
    raven75 26 May 2014 17: 24
    0
    Actually, I know only one atypical Pole.
    Marshal K.K. Rokossovsky. Probably our best commander during the Second World War (one of the best, for sure). And it seems that the only one of the highest military men who, after Stalin's death, refused to pour dirt on him at the direction of Khrushchev, for which he was removed from the post of Deputy Minister of Defense of the USSR. He, like all exceptions, only confirms the rule about the rest of the Poles, the vile people.
  45. tolancop
    tolancop 26 May 2014 17: 37
    0
    My classmate served in Poland. During the Soviet era. He treated the Poles badly. When asked why? answered briefly: "Because. The Pole is not a nation, but a profession ..". Probably not without reason.
    The reasons for the Polish arrogance and hatred of Russia can be argued and guessed for a long time. But the version that suits me the most (I don’t remember the author) is that, over the course of history, Poland had several chances to become a great power, but it never realized its chance. But Russia did not miss its chances. Therefore, the Psheks are angry. The inferiority complex and nothing more.
    Quote: raven75
    Actually, I know only one atypical Pole.
    Marshal K.K. Rokossovsky. Probably our best commander during the Second World War (one of the best, for sure). And it seems that the only one of the highest military men who, after Stalin's death, refused to pour dirt on him at the direction of Khrushchev, for which he was removed from the post of Deputy Minister of Defense of the USSR. He, like all exceptions, only confirms the rule about the rest of the Poles, the vile people.

    If my memory serves me, then in one of the works Bushkov described a certain circumstance ... If there is a decent Pole, then dig a little deeper and it turns out that this is ... Rusyns !!! And I always liked Rokossovsky more than Zhukov.
  46. Yurban
    Yurban 26 May 2014 17: 38
    0
    It seems to me that it is useless to wait for a reaction about these MANPADS, if in Odessa people themselves burned themselves, as they say in all democratic instances, then MANPADS are nothing for these freaks.
  47. Grandfather Victor
    Grandfather Victor 26 May 2014 18: 49
    0
    If we, like the last dolbo..by, we will not, under any circumstances, sell modern weapons to anyone without falling, then they will not be used against us!
  48. jaan
    jaan 27 May 2014 01: 41
    0
    What a beautiful challenge.
    Izvestia described the way, after which the Thunder rocket - a copy of the Russian Needles, in turn modeled on the American Stingerach - hit the Mesko military factories in Skarżysku Stone, allegedly across Ukraine and Georgia to Chechnya.

    Now, these missiles hit the Ukraine.

    100 sets of thunder rockets Poland legally sold in Georgia. You can read it on the UN arms control pages. Transactions approved by the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Economics. Each sovereign state is not subject to sanctions can buy weapons in such a way that it wants.

    The Russians won the Polish missiles in Georgia, transported them to Chechnya and located the media in the manger of the stage to show how Poland is against Russia.

    This is a repeat of the Chechens. Missiles were in Ukraine.

    Let the editor check the press releases between 2008 and 20010 and not write nonsense.

    Thinking has a great future.