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Two realities

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Someone might not understand what I mean. Someone will say that I do not respect our government and President Putin. And I just immensely love and respect honest, courageous and decent people who, I repeat, never, never compromise with the fascists entrenched in Kiev! And now there are two people in me - one sees, and the other feels and compassion. And that's what happens ...


The official reality: Putin, glowing with happiness, signs a century gas contract with China. My reality: the National Guard under the shells fall in the center of Slavyansk, people are hiding in basements and pray to God and Russia for help.

Official reality: Putin solemnly announces the withdrawal of troops from the border with Ukraine, so that the elections will be held in a calm atmosphere. Very touching care. My reality is: Kiev is building up the grouping of punitive punishments of the National Guard under, people continue to die, and there is a bad feeling that after the elections in Ukraine a mass shooting of the DNR and the LC will begin.

Official reality: Putin, pleased with himself and 85% rated, does not leave the television screens, the people worship him. My reality: I feel that Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics will have the worst. Riflemen and Bolotov understand that they will not get help from Russia, but, like true patriots and warriors, they will fight to the end, even at the cost of their own lives.

Official reality: the government calculates the profits and money that will flow into the “pockets of Russia” from gas contracts and concessions to the West. My reality is: villages and villages that have been sitting without gas for decades, and Zenit, which buys football players for hundreds of millions of euros with Gazprom money.

The official reality: words, statements, again words and again statements ... My reality: in the DPR and the LPR there are counting the dead and wounded, and human grief is immense.

And I will say: if two young republics die, then Russia will be to blame. Brewed themselves, and then - to the side! It is not good - it smacks of betrayal.
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  1. Baikal
    Baikal 22 May 2014 08: 29
    +65
    It is unfortunate that everything is so in the DPR ... But the president is obliged to think about his country first of all. Especially for the long term.
    We don’t know much and, perhaps, at the moment it is impossible to directly help.
    In chess, all officers do not throw a pawn for another pawn. The king must be removed. And the "game" is very serious now, you see for yourself ... But I want to believe that our government will somehow find a way to influence the situation.
    1. MOISEY
      MOISEY 22 May 2014 08: 38
      +55
      Official DNR assistance from Russia will lead to unpredictable consequences. But I am sure that even now, through unofficial channels, weapons and humanitarian aid are also coming. And the Donchans and Lugans must still stand up as a whole, as requested by the Strelkov, and not sit back at home and rely on their older brother.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 22 May 2014 09: 07
        +33
        Quote: MOISEY
        But I’m sure even now that weapons and humanitarian aid are going through informal channels.

        YES NICHRA THERE ON ANY CHANNELS DOES NOT GO! You ask the militias! One channel works - popular! And this help doesn’t come by wagons, but by little vans, which men spend there with risk to their life ..
        You just WANT to believe it ... so that, first of all, you do not feel yourself a "hatoskrainik" - and here I understand you well. And reality is it!
        1. Ataman
          Ataman 22 May 2014 09: 50
          +8
          On May 25, elections to the European Parliament will take place, which may turn out to be quite pro-Russian. Until this date, Russia will not make harsh statements regarding Ukraine, will not turn off gas, send troops, etc. With the pro-Russian European Parliament, Russia will be able to win this war by pure politics. And with the type of new president, Porosenko, who has half of the business in Russia, will generally be just talking. Be patient Donbass four days left!
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 22 May 2014 11: 18
            +4
            Quote: Ataman
            European Parliament elections will be held on May 25,
            May 25 and elections in Ukraine.
            Quote: Ataman
            Be patient Donbass four days left!
            And in the meantime, hostilities began in the Lugansk Republic.
            1. mira. 36
              mira. 36 22 May 2014 20: 23
              +2
              It’s time to tear the ass from its gardens. Do not count the shells on the beds ...
              1. velikoros-xnumx
                velikoros-xnumx 23 May 2014 01: 11
                +2
                And I will say: if two young republics die, then Russia will be to blame. Brewed themselves, and then - to the side! It is not good - it smacks of betrayal.

                The phrase is in the traditional Ukrainian spirit. You porridge brew to the desired degree, you allowed your inaction in relation to a number of events taking place in Ukraine over the past 23 years, and especially in the last decade. The overwhelming part continues inertly from the sofa to watch what is happening outside the window, even shells flying into the windows do not help to change the attitude. the vast majoritypopulation of Donbass. To vote in a referendum is one thing, and with arms in your hands to protect your life, freedom, your rights, your loved ones is another. Until the majority reaches the simple truth - that no one will do this for you, this is your task, your duty, your land and your life. But the majority still hopes that someone will come and do dirty bloody work for them. No guys this will not happen.
          2. sv68
            sv68 22 May 2014 12: 46
            +1
            chieftain, don’t you think that on May 25 bombs may begin to pour on people's heads? and Paroshenko will tell you what you want to hear, but will do exactly the opposite
            1. vvp2412
              vvp2412 22 May 2014 13: 33
              +6
              Please tell me why they drove the Grads, but do not use them?
              The answer is simple - for provocation. Georgians hit Tskhinval with Grads, and even killed our peacekeepers.
              If Russia had sent troops, and the Nazis didn’t shoot with hail, this is a trap for Russia that the West is preparing.
              But if they hit with hail, it will be a red line, beyond which dill does not go! So many techniques were also caught up to provoke Russia.
              If there was a desire to wipe Kramatorsk and Slavyansk from the face of the earth, they would have long since been erased.
              But there is no such desire. More precisely, it may be, but the Americans do not give this, because then the game will be lost ...
          3. sv68
            sv68 22 May 2014 12: 46
            0
            chieftain, don’t you think that on May 25 bombs may begin to pour on people's heads? and Paroshenko will tell you what you want to hear, but will do exactly the opposite
          4. VAF
            VAF 22 May 2014 16: 31
            +2
            Quote: Ataman
            On May 25, elections to the European Parliament will take place, which may turn out to be quite pro-Russian


            "Smoke", something, probably, well, very .. wassat

            On March 25, the "official elections" of the Fuhrer in Ukraine will be held and ..... "in order to protect the territorial integrity of the state and its constitutional order ..... etc." .. (I quote this "piece" of the entry from the wording from his personal file from "extreme events"). soldier
            Then I hope everything is clear, what will happen?
            And no one ..... will dare to do something "against" ... only a talking shop soldier
        2. Aleksandr65
          Aleksandr65 22 May 2014 10: 37
          +3
          You are right, to my deep regret ...
        3. Predator
          Predator 22 May 2014 11: 03
          +5
          Well, it’s also not worth dragging Russia into this war yet, in these republics there isn’t anyone who will ask for help and how !? Announced, get up with the whole world! And there will be help!
          1. wulf66
            wulf66 22 May 2014 12: 14
            +11
            I agree with you! It is simply impossible to bring in troops. If Strelkov turns to the locals to gather a militia, then there are more than enough "sofas" there. In addition, too many Ukrainians have lost their brains over the years, they will go to defend their "nezalezhnost" and then a full out will begin ... In addition, remember the 1991 referendum - 90% of the population of the Ukrainian SSR for "nezalezhnost" ... So they hawk it now full spoon. AND SHOULD GET IT TO THE END - BY YOURSELF !!! Well, there is now no option to send our troops to Ukraine! No. AT LEAST SO Pity !!!
            A minus article. And for those and for others, Russia is again to blame ... Is it that at all with nothing?
            1. vvp2412
              vvp2412 22 May 2014 13: 38
              +6
              there is such a bad Ukrainian feature - lovers of freebies! Don’t feed bread, give freebies!
              No wonder the saying - where did the Jew have nothing to do.
              I don’t want to say anything bad about Ukrainians (not Natsiks), but this feature sticks out again.
              They do not even ask, but demand and are offended that we are not introducing troops.
              Although they do not understand that they may not end the mess, but only aggravate the situation and get a full-scale guerrilla war of Ukraine against Russia. How to distinguish Russian-speaking Ukrainians, who is pro-Russian, who is pro-Western !? Who has a roof in place, who has one side ?!
              They do not want and cannot understand this.
          2. Wanderer H7
            Wanderer H7 24 May 2014 11: 15
            0
            Yes, there will be no help, the author is right- Putya threw the southeast. What will we just do when a hostile Ichkeria takes shape over 2000 km of the border? .. Apparently Putin decided that this is not a problem, there will be enough power and money for his life ...
        4. jktu66
          jktu66 22 May 2014 11: 09
          +3
          YES NICHRA THERE ON ANY CHANNELS DOES NOT GO!
          Everyone has the right to help New Russia, there would be a desire. In many cities, humanitarian aid collection points are organized, there are checking accounts, volunteers can go if desired. Information support can be provided. The easiest way, sitting at the monitor, is to blame Putin for everything.
        5. Homo
          Homo 22 May 2014 11: 26
          +15
          Quote: avia1991
          YES NICHRA THERE ON ANY CHANNELS DOES NOT GO!

          But is it assembled in a garage or bought in the nearest market?
          1. ispaniard
            ispaniard 22 May 2014 11: 31
            +8
            THIS is the "Fagot" ATTORNEY shot by the "Strelka" fighters from the captured BMD 2 laughing
            1. vvp2412
              vvp2412 22 May 2014 13: 40
              -3
              Well, let's say, and ammunition for it? Also removed so much to bullet more than once or twice? There are videos on the net!
              In addition - the machine was also removed from the BMD? I'm not special, but I think that there is another mount!

              And MANPADS, which shot down helicopters, also removed from the BMD?
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          3. vvp2412
            vvp2412 22 May 2014 13: 42
            +1
            So I wrote about the same above. And MANPADS, heavy machine guns (cordon, it seems) from what was removed? What about ammunition for them? Ammunition - this issue is even more relevant than the ATGM or MANPADS. What about ammunition for heavy machine guns?
            In the garage, no one would have been left behind!
            1. 341712
              341712 22 May 2014 14: 23
              +2
              Quote: vvp2412
              In the garage, no one would have been left behind!

              Yes, all there heaps! How many military units have exhausted? Ma small, but very bold war war is definitely enough !!!
        6. vvp2412
          vvp2412 22 May 2014 13: 30
          0
          Perhaps you are right in part.
          But then please tell me, if there is no unofficial help, where does the equipment and ammunition come from (even MANPADS)?
          But banal cartridges need oh how many. People’s channel, say? Where then did the people have so many rounds of ammunition? In Russia, military weapons can not be bought in the store, like ammunition. Where did the chamber come from, tell me?
          Shooters collected a collection. But not for the army? Although a little!
          MANPADS just do not sell in a store with sausage !!!
        7. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey 22 May 2014 14: 55
          +6
          Again Russia is to blame? Yes, damn it, and muddied the Maidan, too, Russia? The author wake up when the Crimea decided to join it was the very moment when the South-East could, but they were waiting for something to happen, the moment is missed, people are dying now, and this is the result of indecision and it’s a pity, but blaming Russia is at least stupid thing.
        8. DLANA
          DLANA 22 May 2014 15: 05
          0
          Here are the clear cause and effect relationships of the events http://vk.com/video-41299671_167875457
        9. Xergey
          Xergey 22 May 2014 17: 06
          0
          And to whom there to send weapons when on the street 10 thousand. from 1,5 million, when everyone leaves then it makes sense, and so it goes nowhere and gets lost.
        10. Xergey
          Xergey 22 May 2014 17: 09
          +2
          I’ll say to Dagon when we had a rally of defrauded real estate investors, more people came to protests, but here they don’t want to defend themselves, they hide in their homes and wait for the Cossacks, Chechens, airborne forces, etc. to arrive.
        11. revnagan
          revnagan 22 May 2014 18: 03
          +1
          Quote: avia1991
          And this help doesn’t come by wagons, but by little vans, which men spend there with risk to their life ..

          But how would you support the resistance in Donetsk and Lugansk, for example, the fact that about a dozen planes of the military transport aviation of Russia "lost their course and made an emergency landing at the airport of Donetsk. All the cargo intended for the Russian troops was illegally appropriated by the armed forces of the DPR. Russia demands from the official Kiev to punish those guilty of embezzlement and pay for the stolen cargo. "That would be aerobatics. And so, every day. Well," lost the course and got lost "- what can you do?
      2. andj61
        andj61 22 May 2014 09: 24
        +17
        There is no help there through unofficial channels! People are tearing it away from themselves. It is necessary to help - through the Cossacks, through cultural ties, organizing a camp of "refugees", in the end, so that the Donbass community would provide humanitarian assistance. To allocate a little money - even through our entrepreneurs, so that the militias can not think about getting food for their relatives. Provide banking system services - for organizing the payment of salaries and pensions, etc. Armament of the light - and not so much - 60-70-ies to fig - why not help. All this must be done!
        1. Irkutsk
          Irkutsk 22 May 2014 10: 27
          +6
          You will recall Strelkov’s first interview, where he talked about how the backbone of the militia came from the Crimea, and only then began to grow with local muscles. Here is our main help, power, I’m sure that it is being fed today. Without them, a referendum would not have happened; local people on sofas nat.tv would suck in safely. Now they shoot at them, not everyone likes it, but they started to move. And the troops to enter, it is legally a declaration of war (not without blood) and occupation.
          1. krpmlws
            krpmlws 22 May 2014 14: 10
            +3
            Something got stuck on the entry of troops. It is likely to explain doing nothing. Help is the supply of weapons, ammunition, humanitarian aid, money, which is what Yu.V. needs through informal channels, nothing of this. Article plus. Weapons and ammunition available on part of the armament was brought from the Crimea from the Crimea, part of it was seized from law enforcement officers, or bought on the black market. The allegations that the Russian Federation allegedly provides assistance are unfounded and have no evidence or indirect evidence. The Russian Federation does not provide any assistance to the SE.
      3. nvv
        nvv 22 May 2014 09: 58
        +8
        To understand what is happening, you need to understand who benefits from it. Who benefits from this? USA. Why? State debt. How to pay off? New markets. Where? In Europe. But is Europe tied to Russia? To deliver. How? WAR. But after all, from the production of shale gas ecology kirdyk? Us army. And if there is enough gas? They have already divorced us.
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      5. yushch
        yushch 22 May 2014 11: 15
        +3
        After all, there is a weapon, the shooter himself said, there are few volunteers. What can we talk about ?? We will help, but the percentage of local should be an order of magnitude greater, as was the case in Serbia.
      6. baltika-18
        baltika-18 22 May 2014 11: 28
        .
        Quote: Baikal
        In chess, do not throw a pawn with all officers for another pawn
        Speaking of chess, Putin is now in a position which in chess is called "zugzwang" (any move leads to a worsening of the position). It's just that he is not leading this game, hence the situation. There was a Crimean "gambit" (an intentional sacrifice with a goal sharpen the game), now Donetsk-Luhansk "zugzwang". And there is also (already without the chess terminology) Chinese "zapopalovo", the results of which we will see in a year or two. More than once Mr. Putin will soon become a thing of the past (2015), but we will we that his team heaped up.
        1. tundra
          tundra 22 May 2014 11: 56
          +5
          On which liberal site did I read it and which main (supposedly Russian) liberalist moved this idea? Here is the damned sclerosis. The same words stink the same way, I’m directly de some vu. recourse
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 22 May 2014 12: 17
            +3
            Quote: tundra
            On which liberal site am I
            There are no truths, Sasha, either on liberal sites or on patriotic ones. In order to understand something in this crazy world, gather information and think, compare, analyze. True, it sometimes skips in the most unpredictable places, and even the one who wanted to lie sometimes it involuntarily hits the target. Why? Because human thought is born in the subconscious mind, which is often not controlled by the consciousness, but is always controlled by the world where we come to the sinful earth from and where we go after death. hi
        2. sv68
          sv68 22 May 2014 12: 50
          -2
          Baltika 18-and you paneker. Or just a troll
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 22 May 2014 16: 59
            +4
            Quote: sv68
            Baltika 18-and you paneker. Or just a troll
            Neither one nor the other. Just because of the circumstances, I know a little too much, which I honestly did not want to know. hi
          2. VAF
            VAF 22 May 2014 17: 11
            +1
            Quote: sv68
            Baltika 18-and you paneker. Or just a troll


            Here "love" labels to hang ..... how then are you different from the egg and turchik ???? so .. "piss in the eyes .. god's dew" and you just the same .... 2 who is not with you. That is against you "?
            And for yours, there is something for you .. besides .. urya-slogans ??? wassat
      7. ispaniard
        ispaniard 22 May 2014 11: 28
        +33
        Article minus! REPOST - Guys registered on the "VOENNOY OBZRENIYA" would like to contact you ... Maybe it's enough to write the next opus ala- "Ahh, I knew, Putin withdrew the troops from the border! All FUCKED UKRAINE !! 111". -1) This does not do you credit (About Crimea, everyone was happy to gossip about how we correctly and politely added it). 2) Nobody has spit anything out of anything yet ... (From the beginning of the ATO, it was generally expected that poor Luhansk people in the SBU and Donetsk people in the Regional Administration would be rolled away within 24 hours) But no ... There are already LPR and DPR on the map ... ( Know how to appreciate what you have) 3) Appeal Strelka is an appeal to the residents of the DPR and LPR reminding them of their sacred duty to PROTECT YOUR HOMELAND and not a cry help, everything is gone! (Who watched his appeal understands what I mean). 4) The junta very quickly drains its cadres and motivation (whoever is familiar with the tactics of guerrilla warfare understands what they mean). 5) V.V.P. now in China with Xi Jinping they are discussing EVERYTHING that is happening. The situation with the troops can change in the blink of an eye right up to the parade on Khreshchatyk of the Kantemirovsk division (I exaggerate, but ... who knows) 6) And probably the BASIC one do not forget that besides you, the resources are also used as US officers for electronic communication struggle on open spaces IN NETA (I am a Crimean, believe us, not everything is so simple ...), and just latent Russophobes. So, watch, believe, fight!
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 22 May 2014 12: 23
          +18
          Quote: ispaniard
          Appeal ARROW is an appeal to the inhabitants of the DPR and LPR reminiscent of their sacred duty to PROTECT YOUR HOMELAND


          That's right, laid out on the shelves in general. And if we talk about the sacred duty. In fact. Watch the news. and there they show a young man injured by fragments from a shell in his garden with his mother and aunt ... I just want to ask him what the hell are you sitting next to the skirt when they SHOOT AT YOUR OWN HOUSE. What are you waiting for? When will they come and kill? I don’t understand this ... And there are a lot of people like him, that’s why Strelka doesn’t have enough people. It would be embarrassing for me to look at myself in the mirror after that, if some kind of trickster would come and start telling me that Vlasov and the ROA are the heroes who defend the Homeland from Stalin and Hitler, the holiday of Porba should be replaced with a day of sorrow and repent of sins ... I would, bl .., so repented that these ghouls had the earth burning under their feet, even if I was already six dozen, thank God there is combat experience and there is still health and knowledge with skills ... And here a healthy young child hides behind her mother a skirt, my wife was even indignant at such a disgrace ...
          1. VAF
            VAF 22 May 2014 16: 48
            +2
            Quote: Ascetic
            That's right, laid out on the shelves in general.


            Hi Stanislav! But I don’t agree with your conclusion ... neither in general, nor in particular.
            Because all this could simply NOT be allowed, with one "movement" ..... and not "play" in ... "let's wait a bit and not introduce our own measures" "they already have a difficult situation" ... and this "let's" in a week will reach 5.1 lard of greenery ..... wassat
            Well, you at least understand. that we were "divorced" with this gas contract as suckers ... Do you remember the PSA? so from him and then .. there was at least some income. and here???? And we are also pouring into the construction of our 55 lard (and the Chinese are only 22 lard and then .. 100 pounds, that this contribution is "included2 by the Chinese in the price of 400 lard).
            that's why .. "commercial secret" of gas for this contract. With all the "transparency" of all gas contracts in the world.
            Yesterday I tried to explain to the people. Yes where there .. everything went crazy ... hurry and that's it!
            I especially "liked" "hot Finnish guy Attic" .. you say you don't like Russia wassat and reminds .. "we say Party, we mean Lenin, we say Lenin, we mean Party" wassat
            so ... by Cherdakovsky ... "the end of Russia" is not far off fool
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 22 May 2014 17: 48
              +3
              Hello, Sergey! Under the gas contract, I’m not ready to speak seriously yet, we will wait until the waves of cheer-patriotism and permanent all-industry style in the Nemtsov style, which managed to fart two hours before signing the contract, that it will never be signed, settle down. Now on the one hand they will say that the greatest success. on the other hand, a complete cubicle disappeared ... So far, I personally see more politics here, but the message to switch to mutual settlements in rubles and yuan, plus Iran’s willingness to join this (which went unnoticed by almost all media) is much louder news than a gas contract or the fact that Obama fell from a palm tree and caught his tail on a coconut smile And this is just connected with the term of the contract in essence "eternal". The Chinese will pay based on the cost of oil. Hardly in dollars - since myself the contract aims to reduce it to zero. That means - in the cost of precisely that currency, which historical scrapes will not reduce to zero. RMB, ruble, rupee, pound, Deutschmarks ... and one more thing. The main thing here was to SELL even with momentary concessions, but in the future, as they say in the bourgeois The National Interest, an even more profitable contract looms in Asia
              Relations with China are critical to another part of Putin’s strategy - his plan to penetrate India’s energy market. Russia and India are discussing the construction of a $ 30 billion pipeline (the most expensive ever) to supply Russia through the Russian Altai Mountains and northwestern China in Xinjiang province to northern India. Unlike pipelines to Korea and China, the pipeline will supply oil to India. Few people know that Russia is much more an exporter of oil than gas. It exports 70% of its oil production, and only 30% of its gas production. From a financial point of view, the profit from the sale of oil is seven times more than gas. There is no better market for Russian oil than India, which, pushing Japan out, has become the third largest economy in the world in terms of purchasing power parity. The above three pipelines for China, India and Korea, which are planned to be built, will make one third of humanity dependent on Russia's energy resources and provide Russia with such extraordinary power on the world stage that its freaks in Europe will be remembered with nostalgia. However, the United States was not able to formulate an alternative vision of energy security in Asia.
              1. VAF
                VAF 22 May 2014 18: 07
                0
                Quote: Ascetic
                Under the gas contract, I’m not ready to speak seriously yet, we will wait until the waves of cheers and patriotism and permanent all-industry style in the Nemtsov style, which managed to fart two hours before signing the contract, that it will never be signed, settle down


                Well, about Nemtsov .... it's a "song" .. it's better not to talk about him ... there is still a video in front of my eyes. When the three of them .. He is only red and Khakamanda in masaletiki .. fly away. wassat
                I agree and wrote about it myself. That this is a clean policy even at a loss, but ... this is a necessary measure, because .... you yourself understand why).
                Then someone wrote that the union with China is a good opportunity to immerse amers in .... I can’t do it .... I don’t know .. just didn’t specify .. that we only have WISHES, but with China. OPPORTUNITIES, but .... East is a delicate matter .. Rooster (so it is sung in a song)?
                And by reference .... since such people have come from oil and gas, then what are we like ..... well, I won’t .. I don’t suggest to the patriots that we can see for ourselves where in various aspects of our life our country is located.
                Or is it like in that bearded anecdote - Brezhnev’s speech at the next congress ... we are so much% in milk.% So much meat. In short ahead of the rest. Esmu from the hall note-L.I. you speak so well, but for some reason there is no meat in the stores ... We are moving so quickly to communism that our cattle are not keeping up with us ... wassat
                Yesterday I asked the attic .. about gasoline prices in oil-producing countries .. I posted a sign. Where we have gas 24 rubles ... here's a Finnish clown. wassat
                Here's how to ... talk wassat
        2. krpmlws
          krpmlws 22 May 2014 14: 24
          +1
          Quote: ispaniard
          Article minus! REPOST - Guys registered on the "VOENNOY OBZRENIYA" would like to contact you ... Maybe it's enough to write the next opus ala- "Ahh, I knew, Putin withdrew the troops from the border! All FUCKED UKRAINE !! 111". -1) This does not do you credit (About Crimea, everyone was happy to gossip about how we correctly and politely added it). 2) Nobody has spit anything out of anything yet ... (From the beginning of the ATO, it was generally expected that poor Luhansk people in the SBU and Donetsk people in the Regional Administration would be rolled away within 24 hours) But no ... There are already LPR and DPR on the map ... ( Know how to appreciate what you have) 3) Appeal Strelka is an appeal to the residents of the DPR and LPR reminding them of their sacred duty to PROTECT YOUR HOMELAND and not a cry help, everything is gone! (Who watched his appeal understands what I mean). 4) The junta very quickly drains its cadres and motivation (whoever is familiar with the tactics of guerrilla warfare understands what they mean). 5) V.V.P. now in China with Xi Jinping they are discussing EVERYTHING that is happening. The situation with the troops can change in the blink of an eye right up to the parade on Khreshchatyk of the Kantemirovsk division (I exaggerate, but ... who knows) 6) And probably the BASIC one do not forget that besides you, the resources are also used as US officers for electronic communication struggle on open spaces IN NETA (I am a Crimean, believe us, not everything is so simple ...), and just latent Russophobes. So, watch, believe, fight!
          1,2. "Everyone pissed off." base. 3. Get acquainted with the history of appeals from the SE to the Russian Federation, all of them are a call for help. What are you all about comrade? 4. No need to fantasize and wishful thinking. Where does this infa come from? And that you don't need to help SE? 5. There is no need to say what you do not know, no need to fantasize. 6.Thanks for the BASIC reminder, it will come in handy for all of us laughingI hope you are not one of them.
      8. Blondy
        Blondy 22 May 2014 11: 49
        +7
        The president is probably still guided by his brains and "eggs", and not by emotions on the couch like some hackers.

        Let the author of the publication answer at least this question - how will our troops meet and what will be the attitude of the majority to Russia that are now sitting at home? After all, even if they are met with flowers, the options are "from sit on the neck" and "will shit on the sly and not so much."
      9. Aleksandr65
        Aleksandr65 22 May 2014 12: 28
        +4
        But the Donetsk and Lugansk must still stand up as a whole world ...
        Probably the same as the Russians in Chechnya of the 90s. 30 thousand Russians were slaughtered, 25 thousand-fled. Probably the wrong Russians. So, correctly cut out, in your opinion. The army should fight (publicly, secretly), and not civilians!
      10. vvp2412
        vvp2412 22 May 2014 13: 27
        0
        Absolutely right.
        One of the reasons why official assistance can not yet be is the heterogeneity of the Southeast.
        Until the South-East rises on one front, like the Crimea, there will be no official possibility to help
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 22 May 2014 08: 39
      +3
      Well, here are the brightest representatives of your "love", so what? (+ 18), from 0.26:
      1. Rinat 1
        Rinat 1 22 May 2014 12: 25
        +1
        What are not humans, and degenerates! What to take from such moral freaks!
    3. makst83
      makst83 22 May 2014 08: 49
      +7
      I agree. The author cannot get into someone else's soul and see what is happening there - someone else's soul is dark, no matter how! I am sure that there is no holiday from the "contract of the century", but the gloom and heavy thought about what is happening in the DPR and LPR! I suggest the author not to engage in verbiage!
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 22 May 2014 09: 13
        -5
        Quote: makst83
        I suggest the author not to engage in verbiage

        That is, you know exactly what is in the soul of the President? Apparently, in order to solitude with gloomy thoughts, he is in no hurry to return to the center of Russia?
        1. makst83
          makst83 22 May 2014 09: 33
          -4
          Of course, why should he return, he will not return to Russia at all, he is also a comprador and a protege of the West. 100 okhulyardov $ was taken from him and when he signed the gas contract with China, he received a rollback in 399 billion. Anyway, he’s a liquid reptiloid and he doesn’t care about Russians and Russia! wassat
          1. Irkutsk
            Irkutsk 22 May 2014 09: 49
            .
            Once again, Putin inflamed? Aggravation? Well yeah, spring!
            1. Irkutsk
              Irkutsk 22 May 2014 11: 57
              +6
              Well, there is talk about inflammation and exacerbation of chronic Putin in makst83. However, to the minuses I FSUs, plus, minus, stars from the sky on shoulder straps - this is pampering. I would like to have a generalisimus, would have slogans here in the spirit: I love you Russia so much that I will soon rape it. I silently love Motherland, in my heart.
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 22 May 2014 10: 14
            -3
            Quote: makst83
            he will not return to Russia at all

            I did not say "to Russia" - I said "to the center of Russia". The President arrived in Russia yesterday, in the Amur Region. And this, too, is a kind of demonstration: why hurry somewhere, there are more important things to do here. How much money he has, I don’t know, and I don’t want to: I’m used to keeping an eye on my pocket, I don’t care about strangers. There are probably a lot of them, and it would be strange if it turned out differently. This is not the point. The fact is that Russia's political position has changed three times over the past three months! So not quite everything is "consistent".
            1. tundra
              tundra 22 May 2014 11: 48
              +1
              I put a plus. Because in order to judge something, you need to know the whole story, and who will tell it ... Therefore, I am not for koment and not for minusoviks. Let's wait.
          3. tundra
            tundra 22 May 2014 11: 49
            0
            Koment complete nonsense !!!!!!!
    4. Iskander Khan
      Iskander Khan 22 May 2014 09: 00
      +7
      Thanks for that. If only it were not late. The fall of the DPR and LPR will erase Putin’s recent successes. The money will remain, only he will be moved away from them and transferred to the State Department.
    5. Naum
      Naum 22 May 2014 09: 22
      +13
      Yes, we must find a way! But personally, I do not want to see an alternative to the Third World War. And it was not Russia that made this bloody "mess", but the bastards "behind a puddle" along with their gayropean sixes. They would have to disentangle it to the bottom! T.N. "The world community" point-blank "does not see anything terrible" in the punitive operation of the Kiev fascists against the peaceful people - and is Russia to blame? This will not continue indefinitely. Something is about to happen, a critical mass is accumulating.
    6. Irkutsk
      Irkutsk 22 May 2014 09: 38
      +7
      Yes, wait a bit, let's see what happens after the election. After the signing of the contract with China did not make the condition that the dollar should be rejected during settlements, the Americans should cross themselves with relief (although I am sure that this possibility is not excluded in the contract). It seems that this event is not in vain fitted to the elections and there is some kind of agreement with the other side. The return of troops to permanent apartments from the same opera. I think that after the election we will be very surprised at what is happening in Ukraine. Let's wait a bit.
      And now it’s not possible to bring in troops, except for the militias there is no one to defend so far. The rest of the people do not want to go to Russia, but not all of Ukraine also. They are tired of both Kiev and the rebels. Not ripe yet. And for whom to die?
      1. Aleksandr65
        Aleksandr65 22 May 2014 10: 50
        -8
        The rest of the people in Russia do not want
        Doesn't want to ?! Yes, you try in Moscow to bring 75-80% of the people to a referendum, yes for separating it from Russia, and with the disclosure of their names to the authorities, and if the authorities shoot these people and carry out ATO! Who will come out (even if they wanted to)? No one! Scary because. And the people of Donetsk and Lugansk came out, dared and did everything, as in the Crimea, only much more courageously and with sacrifices. Only Crimea is on board, and Donbass is overboard. Rights author-Russia brewed this mess ...
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 22 May 2014 11: 22
          0
          Quote: Aleksandr65
          Rights author-Russia brewed this mess ...

          I do not understand how to brew. Justify please.
          1. Aleksandr65
            Aleksandr65 22 May 2014 12: 13
            -5
            CRIMEA joined.
        2. Irkutsk
          Irkutsk 22 May 2014 11: 49
          +1
          And in the referendum in the east, the issue of joining the Russian Federation was not raised. And if it were, then it is not known what percentage would be.
    7. asar
      asar 22 May 2014 09: 53
      +5
      Someone from the members of the forum have a direct line with the GDP? Let the Forum then "interpret" everything, put everything "on the shelves"! There are "momentary" benefits, after which the years of "blockage"! And there are strategic benefits that for decades or more - a normal life! And as for the fact that you do not have gas! And what, the GDP will walk across Russia and ask in every yard - is everything good with you! How do you imagine it yourself ?! I can't imagine anything like that! I agree! While Russia and China agreed on gas supplies to the Celestial Empire, a huge part of Russia lives without gas, drowns with wood (shameful, shameful and shameful!)! Or maybe, besides Putin, the local authorities are also guilty ?! Maybe ask them where the money is ?! Aren't they the main "steering" in their region ?! And about “Zenith” I agree! Zabarzeli (both about the set and the cost of the stadium!)!
      1. Artyom
        Artyom 22 May 2014 10: 04
        +8
        Do you want a direct link to GDP, perhaps on the website of the presidential administration and leave your opinion, I guarantee you will be answered! I wrote it myself!
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 22 May 2014 10: 17
          +3
          Quote: Artyom
          I guarantee you will be answered! I wrote it myself!

          I confirm! Though.. lol the answer is not necessarily like it!
    8. dmb
      dmb 22 May 2014 09: 59
      +5
      Dear Baikal. I agree that the President is first of all obliged to think about his country, and chess is good. But people are not pawns, and they will really kill them. I am far from idealism, but do not you think that meanness, even in politics, is permissible only within certain limits, otherwise you should not stigmatize the very same Anglo-Saxons. This is to say that we did not promise support to Yanukovych at the initial moment (when the question of where Ukraine will go was decided), not the South-East, not the Crimea would stand. And if they had already promised, then it should have been more real, and not empty talk. Remember how many representatives of the Western states roamed the Maidan, and name at least one representative of our state who would have made a tough statement together with Yanukovych in Kiev. (Of course, the promise of assistance and the terms of its provision should be fixed by the contract). Yes, then we can’t see Crimea as our ears, but NATO troops near the borders of the Belgorod region are even more real today. The loyalty of the population of the South-East can also be forgotten. Betrayals do not forgive. So I can’t share your hope in our government, because this is a government of illiterate laymans. The only thing that they can do well is stealing a budget, which does not require a lot of mind. Adopt laws that allow you to do this painlessly and steal yourself fearlessly. Serdyukov is a prime example. Lonely Lavrov does not save the state of affairs.
      1. Grbear
        Grbear 22 May 2014 11: 29
        +5
        dmb
        Sir, you provoke more subtle than many. But I dare say that
        I mean, if we did not promise support to Yanukovych at the initial moment (when the question of where Ukraine would go was being decided), it would not be South-East or Crimea.
        - This is not support, but a chance to jump out of the trap that was successfully viewed .. watched by the Kiev authorities.

        Next.
        The loyalty of the population of the South-East can also be forgotten. Betrayals do not forgive.
        What kind of loyalty are you talking about. The proposal to postpone the referendum was "nobly" rejected. They cannot agree among themselves. One nationalizes "iron" when everything is in Kiev, the other keeps mum. Strelkov, with a pain in his heart, talks about the number of volunteers, while miners and metallurgists go to work. Crimea and South-East are two big differences.

        I won’t talk about our government. Not that reason.
        1. dmb
          dmb 22 May 2014 12: 12
          -1
          And without hanging a label about the provocation could not do? By the way, who am I actually provoking, and for what? I simply did not understand your subsequent comments. Whose chance and what was it? Who, to whom and what trap did he build? The second part is even less distinct. Do you believe that after the alleged massacre, the East will love us? As for the referendum, isn’t it too late a proposal to move it? Again, I want to remind you that the idea of ​​federalization did not arise in Donetsk or Lugansk at all, it was first voiced by us, i.e. The Kremlin.
          1. I want to serve
            I want to serve 22 May 2014 14: 25
            0
            Listen, is it really not yet tired of "hanging on someone else's fur coat"? At this stage of exacerbation in Ukraine, Russia has not yet fired a single shot !!! Stop this idle talk about the fact that we are to blame for everything ... Or blame the whole WORLD, because no one is in a hurry to save the "vegetables" lying on the couch with beer .... Only those who want to be saved are saved.
      2. Alexei
        Alexei 22 May 2014 11: 51
        +2
        Quote: dmb
        This is to say that we did not promise support to Yanukovych at the initial moment (when the question of where Ukraine will go was decided), not the South-East, not the Crimea would stand.
        Crimea rose all at once. And with the South-East, not everything is clear. What did you want? Strelkov urges citizens of the South-East not to sit at home why? That's right, because most of the houses are sitting, arguing in front of a TV set and a computer - "Well, when will Putin dare to send troops?"
        Quote: dmb
        . Betrayals do not forgive.
        Everyone knows, but there are few protestors and militias to have foreign interference in the conflict. Where are the millions who disagree with the junta?
        1. dmb
          dmb 22 May 2014 12: 27
          +3
          Honorable BBQ. Crimea arose when anti-Russian slogans sounded on the Maidan. Before Maidan, no one was going to actively "get up" anywhere. And the troops in the Crimea were still used. By the way, I'm not saying that this is bad, otherwise it was simply impossible at that moment. I also never said that they should be introduced to the South-East, because I am not firmly convinced that this is correct, proceeding from the validity of your phrase about those sitting in front of the "telecom". But there are people who believed that our SovFed, by allowing our Guarantor to send troops, was not earning himself cheap popularity, but really intended to help his own. These people risked their lives and the lives of their loved ones, incl. and in the name of you and me, for the West will never say: "That's enough." And we sold them. Like in 91.
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 22 May 2014 13: 02
            0
            Quote: dmb
            . And we sold them. Like in 91.

            Not yet sold, dear Dmitry. To send troops to the Southeast, this is not a quiet night for you in a relatively small Crimea. And in general there is another way, more bloodless. Which, you ask? And I will answer you - less bloody.
            1. dmb
              dmb 22 May 2014 14: 24
              +1
              Sorry, but again we are talking about different things. I talked about the beginning of the crisis and you are talking about today. How it will end, no, I don’t know. To bring in troops, it’s worthless, not to introduce, in my opinion, even worse. But in the first case, we will at least save the honor. Although for our rulers this word is an empty phrase.
          2. g1v2
            g1v2 22 May 2014 15: 37
            +2
            Crimea was one, but there is no unity in the Donbass. When there will be at least some kind of power and army in the Donbass, then you can help. In the meantime, how and whom to help? Strelkov has weapons, there are 6 million people in the Donbass, of whom at least 500 thousand of military age have served in the army. In the clashes to the southeast, several hundred people were killed, and thousands upon death of troops. For urapatriots, I explain the battle in Ukraine for months and is conducted on many fronts, and Slavyansk is an important, but far from the main front. In any war, the main rear and material support, and this is precisely what the GDP is doing. That is why he and his team are wound around the world - China, South and Latin America, Qatar. The most important battles of the Ukrainian war take place not in the Donbass, but in China, Qatar, Iran, and even in Berlin. We have already won 3 battles-annexation of Crimea, all permissions have been collected and the blockade against the South Stream has been broken, negotiations with China. The next battles are negotiations with Qatar, elections to the European Parliament and negotiations with Iran. These are battles that change the face of the world and allow us to conduct any action without losing our economy after that. There is such a thing as a Pyrrhic victory, this is when the king of Epirus, Pyrrhus defeated the Roman army, but practically lost his own, and so the stupid entry of troops into Ukraine and its capture is just a Pyrrhic victory. It is beneficial for us that the civil war sluggishly flow until the fall, after a couple of months, food shortages will begin, the hryvnia is already depreciating, and those who are yelling now that it is necessary to fight against the Russians will begin to come to their senses, and the junta will be distorted even more. And even then we will be able to carry out any actions without destroying our economy, without collapsing the ruble, without becoming a rogue country and without having received thousands of ukrov who will shoot us in the back. The very thing that infuriates me is that if we bring in troops and bring down our economy, those who called for the introduction of troops will again begin to defile the GDP and scream why he brought in troops. In general, my friend, politics and questions of the existence of countries are pragmatic things, and if your emotions are so high, my advice is to drink a sedative, or else grab a heart attack.
    9. Cherdak
      Cherdak 22 May 2014 10: 06
      +9
      Quote: Baikal
      Sami brewed, and then - to the side!

      Typical Ukrainian logic.
      Or another provocateur.

      Maybe show him a movie?
      1. ks
        ks 22 May 2014 11: 54
        -2
        There is a lot of honor to Putin next to Stalin, the pussy has not grown.
        1. sv68
          sv68 22 May 2014 13: 02
          -7
          ws, did you measure Putin’s pussy yourself or do you have a photo for comparison?
        2. smart75
          smart75 22 May 2014 13: 41
          -2
          Possible.
          However, it is not up to you to judge Putin, for exactly the same reasons.
    10. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 May 2014 10: 06
      +10
      Agent 008 apparently, like the states, dreams of a big war near at hand, and even with our participation ... request how people cannot understand that THERE is a foreign country! Yes, with a Russian-speaking population, but is the state sovereign, or are you climbing into your neighbors during a showdown?
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    12. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 22 May 2014 10: 11
      +3
      If Syria wasn’t given an insult, then they won’t give their people again !!!
    13. bulvas
      bulvas 22 May 2014 10: 41
      +8
      Quote: Baikal
      It is unfortunate that everything is so in the DPR ... But the president is obliged to think about his country first of all. Especially for the long term.


      You need to understand that the global challenge is at stake.

      If Russia now allows itself to be drawn into an adventure, the global super-project — the economic and political unification of Eurasia and the destruction of US forces — will be in jeopardy.

      It turns out that the patriots of the South-East of Ukraine are now at the forefront of the fight against world Evil (as if pathetic it did not sound / read)

      Therefore - hold on, brothers, your struggle will not be in vain.

    14. romirin
      romirin 22 May 2014 11: 13
      +9
      what pawns ??
      The people are sitting at home, battle-worthy men in Moscow earning money ... and what should Putin clean up their house for residents? as soon as they go home from Moscow to fight, and everyone crawls out of their minks and cellars, they will begin to help - and not only Putin and Kadyrov, but also more.
      He didn’t want to offend anyone, but he himself was outraged by the blood and was indignant at such external cowardice!
      1. ks
        ks 22 May 2014 11: 52
        0
        Let them fight, let’s fight, but we should help with adequate weapons.
    15. mirag2
      mirag2 22 May 2014 12: 56
      0
      Sorry to get into our top media (VGTRK, NTV, etc.) - they ask a question - how can UkroSMI so shamelessly lie?
      I saw the program "shust.liv" with Tigipko:
      "... who is in the South-East calls himself separatists... "(S. Shuster) - although" those who are in the South-East "- on the contrary, take offense at the" separatists ".
      Tigipko cited Britain and Ireland as an example:
      "... why not do what Britain and Ireland did, grant territorial claims, empower, etc ...."
      -to which Schuster answered:
      "... and then there was a different situation-Clinton understood how to move towards a peaceful solution, because otherwise it is a problem for Europe, he talked with Blair ... and Putin takes completely different position ... "- like Clinton reconciled everyone, and Putin only creates tension ...
      Next-Schuster:
      "... I do not want to talk about hostages in the East, about their number, it hurts me, these are living people, they suffer ..."
      “But there are NO hostages there!”- Is that Irma Krat.
      ps These are the Shusters, Venediktovs, Novodvorskys, Hesse and other rubbish, raised by the "voice of America" ​​and "freedom", and they plow for the State Department, waging an info war against the population of Ukraine, foul their brain!
    16. mirag2
      mirag2 22 May 2014 13: 00
      0
      No need to repeat the words of Shuster, and juggle, take a look at my post below, I have quoted quotes from the program "Shusterliv" on this topic.
      We still did not have enough "heroes" to create from such feces (+ 18, from 0.26):
    17. vvp2412
      vvp2412 22 May 2014 13: 26
      +1
      Absolutely agree. The task of the ovs was to draw Russia into the civil war in Ukraine to its very ears. It is precisely for this that the massacre is taking place in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk.
      Putin's task is not to succumb to provocations and replay.
      How he outplayed in the spring with the Crimea. He was silent for a very long time, everyone had already decided that he had surrendered Ukraine and did not know what to do. But in the end? beautiful care of Crimea ...
      I think and hope that now there is a similar plan.
  2. maks-101
    maks-101 22 May 2014 08: 31
    +15
    I didn’t understand him, Slavyansk keeps in Lugansk they don’t shoot at all, the Ukrainian army pretends that they are fighting, when a real mess starts then they will have to be worn out.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 22 May 2014 08: 54
      +9
      Eh dear, when everything really starts, it will be "too late to drink Borjomi, the kidneys have already fallen off." You cannot indulge the fascist junta: "... give the wolf a finger, chop off the whole hand ..." actions of GDP, but disturbing the memory of the "Munich Agreement", which resulted in the SECOND WORLD War! The head is "spinning" from these "undercover games", but the blood is pouring real ...
      1. Artist
        Artist 22 May 2014 09: 50
        -6
        After the election, Roshen will destroy all resistance in the southeast in a massive invasion within XNUMX hours. Everything is ready for this and he will not flinch like Yanuk.
      2. zao74
        zao74 22 May 2014 09: 58
        +5
        And why do air darts spend near the border ... you are eccentric people, or instigators.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 22 May 2014 10: 21
          0
          When we were planning Aviadarts, Ukraine did not smell of turmoil yet! It's not just that: we decided to fly and shoot - and we flew! Orders, software, landfills, airspace to release, supplies of fuel, ammunition, the passage of payments for all this on a heap of banks - etc., etc.
          1. engineer74
            engineer74 22 May 2014 11: 43
            +3
            Quote: avia1991
            When we were planning Aviadarts, Ukraine did not smell of turmoil yet!

            Excuse me, do you have access to the sources of information of the President and the General Staff? The Troubles in Kiev were also developed and calculated for a long time by our "partners" - it is 100% not a spontaneous process, which means that information leaks are possible at any stage of planning.
            "Aviadarts" is a very convenient thing to concentrate in the right place and at the right time a large aviation group, without arousing any suspicions. And on which side of the border the "targets" will be decided according to the current situation. Moreover, now, as far as I know, any campaign begins with an air offensive operation, and sometimes ends with it. hi
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 22 May 2014 15: 55
              +2
              Quote: engineer74
              , any campaign begins with an air offensive operation, it happens that it ends.


              First create providing a level of air defense breakthrough, at the same time a deep special operation of the MTR is carried out on the enemy's territory ("pop-up war"). Then the first strike echelon delivers the most powerful air strike against previously reconnoitered targets and groups of targets. the second and third strike flight echelons (together with the Airborne Forces) - to increase efforts, strike at some of the objects affected by the first echelon, and defeat an additional number of objects and targets with airborne assault groups. And only if the enemy is not yet demoralized and has not asked for mercy can a ground operation be carried out by combined-arms brigades.
              1. engineer74
                engineer74 22 May 2014 16: 21
                0
                As far as I understand, it is the aviation component of these actions that is present in the training program and, it seems, on May 6 and 7, 2 radars near Lugansk were destroyed ...
                1. VAF
                  VAF 22 May 2014 18: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: engineer74
                  It seems May 6 and 7, destroyed 2 radars near Lugansk ..


                  What do you mean? In Lugansk, a "one-piece air defense missile system of reinforced composition" is deployed (there were 200 earlier, then re-armed with 300). The divisions are in Aleksandrovka, on Happiness, near Krasnodon, near Kommunarsk, under Anthracite and aside on Debaltseve (I forgot the name of the village) ...
            2. VAF
              VAF 22 May 2014 17: 53
              +2
              Quote: engineer74
              any campaign begins with an air offensive operation


              Fundamentally wrong ..... any (and further on your text) begins with PLANNING (at this time, measures are taken to open and clarify, find and possible relocation, etc.). Then the PREPARATION stage begins (necessary calculations are made according to required along with forces and means, calculations for the use of TSA, etc.), then the STATEMENT OF THE TASK stage.
              Databases are maintained in certain breakout corridors for each type of aviation. Which is also provided. the corridor of passage to the target (to the targets) is cleared and the strike itself is carried out (by strike groups), while the support groups (suppress anti-aircraft defense of covering targets), suppression (destruction of enemy radio-electronic equipment and radio-electronic equipment).
              Therefore, "Aviadarts" in the form in which it passes ... if you think you can take it, and just send it forward ... for most it is a one-way ticket! soldier
              And even more so with those TSA with whom they "compete". recourse
    2. kronverg
      kronverg 22 May 2014 09: 07
      +7
      Slavyansk is regularly fired from howitzers, Strelkov does not have such weapons to get these howitzers. Here is what he writes about yesterday http://rusvesna.su/news/1400711780
  3. ksv500
    ksv500 22 May 2014 08: 32
    +6
    Yes, the trend is not good! Many "analysts" have already begun to sing about the fact that Russia has slowly begun to merge the young republics. I really don't want to believe it. It is not in Russia's interests to get a fascist, anti-Russian state on the border. I would very much like to hope that after all these are elements of the game that will help to cleanse Ukraine of fascism!
  4. ReifA
    ReifA 22 May 2014 08: 32
    +23
    The president also thinks about the consequences of his actions. Therefore, he and the President, and not another citizen who wants to clean up with a saber, to restore order in another country.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 22 May 2014 08: 41
      +7
      The president also thinks about the consequences of his actions.



      But if, as a result of such actions in Ukraine, the power of the Nazis is established.
      What do you think will be right?

      What can I agree with PUTIN ... but if the Nazis win in Ukraine I will criticize PUTIN

      despite his authority.
      1. MEDVED
        MEDVED 22 May 2014 09: 07
        +5
        Be a man and take a machine gun in your hands - be a real anti-fascist, like Strelkov, Babai and other real peasants Russians .... Why will you criticize Putin? For what the president thinks before taking the next step (and not a strategic mistake after which there is no return). Or are you sitting in the trenches of Slavyansk to criticize Putin? Strelkov has every right to do so, he deserves ... And then he has a narrow view of things - purely military .... There are many questions that have no answers. You are a provocateur, not an anti-fascist ...
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 22 May 2014 09: 27
          +9
          Be a man and take a machine gun in your hands - be a real anti-fascist, like Strelkov, Babai and other real men

          MEDVED .. you do not rush in words ..... otherwise I have to answer you in the same way.

          First of all, taking my machine gun and participating in hostilities is not my health and age.
          Secondly, to make the infallible LORD OF GOD from PUTIN is also wrong, he is the same person as you ... I ... and any other forum member can also make mistakes (only the mistake of a state person is very dear to all people)
          Thirdly, here I can say what I think and you will not shut up my mouth with your cries of provocateurs.
          I may be mistaken because of the low awareness, but this does not mean that I, as a sheep, will believe everything that they say and impose on me ..... and if you prove that I’m wrong, I will admit it.
          That's all I want to tell you MEDVED hi
          1. MEDVED
            MEDVED 22 May 2014 09: 45
            .
            And you don’t be shy, answer in the same way .... I don’t shut your mouth ... You do not like criticism - this is a fact !!! And the last you are not a sheep - you are a provocateur, you probably consider yourself Svidomo, i.e. . very smart. If your age does not allow you to pick up a checker, sit and think what you are writing - turn on the brain. You to Putin, with all its shortcomings .... Diavan warrior !!!
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 22 May 2014 10: 24
              +2
              You do not like criticism - it is a fact!


              smile Cheap Focus MEDVED.

              I don’t like being rude and rude to me.

              And I get the impression that you are the daughter hehe heh of the CRIMEAN OFFICER ... how is your US State Department.
              1. MEDVED
                MEDVED 22 May 2014 11: 58
                +1
                Specify what my rudeness ??? The fact that I called you a couch warrior - it is already so clear. Sitting at the computer is most comfortable fighting. In war, dirt, blood and death. Not everyone is able to give in the name of freedom to the Russian man the most precious thing - life. There in Slovyansk are strong-minded Russian men, no match for you and me. We are just balalaika - balabolki. What is my rudeness and rudeness ???? I am simply contorted by senseless talk like you Svidomo. And the last: I am from Siberia, but served in the Navy.
        2. avia1991
          avia1991 22 May 2014 09: 35
          +8
          Quote: MEDVED
          You are a provocateur, not an anti-fascist ...

          The provocateur is you, sir. For actively provoke the person who expressed his thoughts that turned out to be different from yours to swara.
          A strategic mistake has already been made: at the time of euphoria (universal) from the annexation of Crimea words were spoken to the whole world that gave hope to the southeast for help and support: RUSSIA DOES NOT DROP OWN! Well, if they did not consider the Russians in the southeast as "ours" - so it was necessary to clarify! Or not to allow such statements at all.
          1. MEDVED
            MEDVED 22 May 2014 09: 52
            -3
            I also advise you to sign up to enroll in a collective tourist trip to the South-East of Ukraine. I strongly provoke you - sign up !!!! The link can be found in classmates. With Regards, Russian MEDVED
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 22 May 2014 10: 17
              -5
              MEDVED you would shut up your smelly mouth, you can’t say anything worthwhile and run up to rudeness and remember that I can always answer you.

              smile and you are as Russian as I am the Chinese emperor.
              1. MEDVED
                MEDVED 22 May 2014 11: 44
                +3
                You see, you have discovered your meager essence. I didn’t be rude to you, I just made an offer. Once again, the Chinese emperor sign up as a volunteer, show that not only is a strong word strong, but also action.
                1. Same lech
                  Same lech 22 May 2014 12: 20
                  -1
                  You see, you have discovered your meager essence.


                  MEDVED why on earth will I prove something to you, I can see very well that you provoke me to inappropriate words.

                  I perfectly understand your rotten essence; I do not want to mess with you meaninglessly and answer your courageous words and your pathos words about heroes and death in the name of freedom.
                  As you can see, you like to talk about heroic death and I, too, are saddened by people like you who are cheap truth-seekers who know everything and everything. Your CHEAP PROVOCATIONS will not deceive me.
                  I, too, have lived my whole life in SIBERIA and will die here in my homeland.
                  1. MEDVED
                    MEDVED 22 May 2014 12: 37
                    0
                    Of course not fooled. Long life to you in Siberia ...
              2. Svetlana
                Svetlana 22 May 2014 12: 26
                +3
                Guys, stop cursing. This only plays into the hands of those with whom you are ready to fight and against those for whom you are worried. Scary for them, yes. Very scary. What will happen to them? But I still want to believe that everything will end happily. Since this "mess" was brewed, it means that everything was planned and calculated in advance. I think so. Of course, you can't predict everything, you can't foresee everything, but I really want to hope that everything is going according to plan. If only not at the cost of a lot of blood. Unfortunately, Russia cannot afford to start open hostilities - they are not afraid of us as they feared the powerful and powerful USSR. And sometimes the USSR had to reckon with the opinion of the West. But, nevertheless, I want to believe in the best. Believe that fascism in Ukraine will not work. All adequate people understand that otherwise we are next. Even the oligarchs, who do not care about the common people, who consider us cattle, are well aware that their interests will also be infringed if the Americans are in control of Ukraine.
                1. Same lech
                  Same lech 22 May 2014 14: 17
                  +1
                  Sorry SVETLANA could not restrain myself .... I’m sorry that you had to read our non-business comments.

                  I will try not to get involved in unnecessary battles.
            2. avia1991
              avia1991 22 May 2014 10: 28
              0
              Very pathetic, sir! But not at the address: classmates can't stand the spirit, and I'm not a member of this respectable organization. If you suggest going there - express yourself more clearly.
              1. MEDVED
                MEDVED 22 May 2014 11: 45
                0
                completely in the hole .... laughing
          2. I want to serve
            I want to serve 22 May 2014 14: 39
            +1
            Russia doesn’t abandon its own, only where its and where strangers need to understand first! Shouting for help from Russia and that they were thrown, those who are far from military operations. The guys who are on the line say ... but look at Strelkov’s appeal !!! He was just at the turn and for some reason did not accuse Russia of treason, not a single word or word, he clearly does not look like a sneak!
    2. vladim.gorbunow
      vladim.gorbunow 22 May 2014 08: 57
      +4
      The epithet "ANOTHER" country causes rejection. Write from the perspective of the League of Nations about aggression. What kind of country is there, especially the state is the tenth thing. There is our land and our people.
    3. Sanglier
      Sanglier 22 May 2014 11: 37
      +1
      Everything is correct. They have already tried "beyond the river", and in Africa too ... And where are the grateful saved?
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 22 May 2014 08: 33
    +5
    And I will say: if two young republics die, then Russia will be to blame. Brewed themselves, and then - to the side! It is not good - it smacks of betrayal.


    And I will say .... if the SOUTH-EAST OF UKRAINE will be suppressed by the Fascists, all the authority of PUTIN will be completely crossed out by the Nazis.
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 22 May 2014 08: 44
      +3
      As for Gazprom - well, so they are all members of the board of directors .... they have their own cus ..... public property, * la!
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 22 May 2014 10: 32
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      all the authority of Putin will be completely crossed out by the Nazis.

      do not worry - "according to VTsIOM" it will be quickly corrected to the required level.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 22 May 2014 16: 25
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      ..if the SOUTH-EAST OF UKRAINE is suppressed by the Fascists, all the authority of PUTIN will be completely crossed out by the Nazis.


      They do not need to suppress the Southeast, because there is not enough strength or money to do this, but drag Russia there. Rather, in Kiev there will be Maidan 3.0, judging by the latest news from there, than the pravoseki suppress the southeast. Even Ahmetka began to fuss, hitherto playing the role of an arbitrator, when the threat of the loss of his enterprises loomed over him, Why? If before that everything had been kosher discussed with the liquid oligarchy?
      It will be an enchanting sight. The level of dolpoepism traditional for such events will be many times exceeded. Once again, people will die. The new president will be discredited, the government will be led by completely unique personalities, a paramilitary administration will be introduced in the capital. Nobody will care about the Donetsk and Lugansk republics, although the ATO will continue at an unprecedented virtual pace. The number of autonomies on the territory of Ukraine will grow by leaps and bounds. Once again, the combat readiness of the army will be increased and introduced into the capital. Add to this the cessation of Russian gas supplies and the economic collapse. Now you understand what everything is going to and why the process of fragmentation of the country is objective and inevitable? Federalism is no longer even a question. This is some kind of massive geopolitical budding. Again, I emphasize: I can not clearly determine the details of the future process, but its start will take place on the Maidan. And Yulia Vladimirovna Tymoshenko will lead the final collapse of the country. This is her last mission. The foundations of statehood will be completely destroyed.

      Alexander Zubchenko.Maidan 3.0: the last mission of Yulia Tymoshenko

      Therefore, their main goal, or rather not theirs but American puppeteers, is that it is NECESSARY TO DROP THE RUSSIAN TROOPS IN UKRAINE in order to unite the people against the "common enemy" and act as victims in the eyes of the "world community" with the appropriate pryangiks and cookies from the "customer" ... Therefore, this sluggish ATO is conceived, for the Ossetian scenario with the use of "Grad" will no longer work.
  6. Agat
    Agat 22 May 2014 08: 35
    +2
    Quote: Baikal
    But the president is obliged to think about his country first of all.

    I would like the "official reality" and our "reality" to come closer.
    But we do not know everything due to our ignorance. Maybe "official reality" is needed for the approximation ?!
  7. AleksPol
    AleksPol 22 May 2014 08: 36
    +25
    Yes ? And where are the rallies of thousands, where the miners are ready to break everyone? There is a small group of brave and courageous guys defending their freedom and ideals. Resist several settlements. And in others, they put the police on their knees. The rest are sitting in the huts and waiting for how it will end.
    1. reg 71
      reg 71 22 May 2014 09: 07
      +3
      I absolutely agree with you that people should go out and decide for themselves how to live.
    2. kronverg
      kronverg 22 May 2014 09: 19
      +9
      At the beginning of March, thousands of rallies were held in Kharkov, they seized the regional administrations, many kilometers flags of Russia along the main street ... Petitions to the consulate ... There were no reactions from Russia .. So they were blown away (I'm talking about Kharkov)
  8. MolGro
    MolGro 22 May 2014 08: 36
    +9
    Putin never makes obvious moves, so it’s hard to beat him!
  9. Mihail29
    Mihail29 22 May 2014 08: 39
    +14
    I do not agree with the author, it’s not us who brewed it, but I think the answer to Russia is not long to wait.
  10. mig31
    mig31 22 May 2014 08: 41
    +6
    About tactics, about military secrets, have you heard anything? .. Who will open cards, patience and patience again in advance ...
  11. SPS33
    SPS33 22 May 2014 08: 41
    +3
    Complete nonsense, minus the affect!
    1. ovgorskiy
      ovgorskiy 22 May 2014 12: 10
      +1
      It’s good that the president is not Agent 00x and not some kind of Lech. Long ago, they would have turned the country into a pile of debris. I would like to remind you that our president said that he would protect the Russian world by any AVAILABLE method. If these individuals are understood by the military as this word, then they are deeply mistaken. In addition to military means, there are many others. I think if it were not for the support of Russia, the Donetsk republic would no longer exist in any form at the moment.
      1. DLANA
        DLANA 23 May 2014 00: 55
        0
        Putin is taking real steps to resolve the stalled problem. It’s just that not everyone sees the causal relationship of his actions. About them it is very well said here http://vk.com/video-41299671_167875457
  12. lexxxus
    lexxxus 22 May 2014 08: 42
    +6
    Я believethat Putin has a heart and his reality also does not coincide with the official one, but this is politics!
    Here you can not give in to emotions, otherwise you will lose everything.

    Diplomacy is a subtle thing!

    And, probably, it’s too early to put an end to and blame someone for cowardice. In the fall, they consider chickens - in the fall, we’ll see ...
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 22 May 2014 08: 49
      +10
      Quote: lexxxus
      They consider chickens in the fall - in the fall, we'll see.

      As if in the fall not to count pteris, victims of the genocide in the southeast of Ukraine and NATO bases near the borders.
      1. lexxxus
        lexxxus 22 May 2014 09: 02
        +3
        victims of genocide in the southeast of Ukraine

        How sad it is to say it, but it is inevitable ...

        Let's hope that these sacrifices are not in vain ...
    2. kronverg
      kronverg 22 May 2014 09: 20
      +2
      I think in the fall there will be no one to consider.
      1. Anper
        Anper 22 May 2014 12: 37
        0
        I will not go to rallies anymore, and somehow I will survive the occupation
        This is from a previous comment kronverg
        This is not an expression of opinion different from others - it is Gundezh. Man in spirit is a troll.
  13. skayl
    skayl 22 May 2014 08: 42
    +2
    HER, you are Agent -0,0000001, and 008 may retire negative
  14. chinararem
    chinararem 22 May 2014 08: 42
    +9
    Strelkov and Bolotov understand that they will not wait for help from Russia, but, like true patriots and warriors, they will fight to the end, even at the cost of their lives.
    Help from Russia comes mainly with weapons and information. How does the author now see Russia's open participation in the conflict? To achieve in the shortest possible time the arrival of NATO troops in Ukraine, the stigma of the country "aggressor, occupier, outcast"? You need to help according to the Shoigu principle. Remember that "it is difficult to look for a black cat in a dark room, especially if it is not there. And it is all the more stupid if this cat is smart, courageous and polite."
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 22 May 2014 09: 43
      +3
      Quote: chinararem
      Help from Russia comes mainly with weapons and information

      Do you have sources in the militia? It is known from my sources that no rusty nail came through these "special channels" that you are hinting at. That is, NOTHING! Although there are proclaimed republics that actually asked for help - we just preferred not to talk about it. And at least "non-lethal" military assistance could already be provided.
  15. minimiz
    minimiz 22 May 2014 08: 43
    +11
    There are a lot of such patriots in Russia. And in the Donbass itself, there is something in no hurry to join the militia of Slavyansk. I do not like the policy of the state - go to Slavyansk as a private individual.
    1. tolian
      tolian 22 May 2014 09: 23
      +9
      The author is indeed an agent. But .... 7000. He writes nonsense. Russia is acting as reality dictates. Soon the militia will buy long-range guns from the "Ukrainian army". The border was opened and the posts were guarded. They are preparing to send the Latvians to Ukraine, but then the "Belarusians" will catch up there. The Americans sleep and see: it has begun, Russia has gone into a trap !. It won't be that way. It will be different. A trap for the United States was made in China yesterday. And the author of the article turned it into an "official reality". Doesn't understand, perhaps, that yesterday Russia knocked out the means of pressure on her from the hands of her worst enemies. The author is a provocateur. Atu him.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 22 May 2014 10: 40
        +2
        Quote: tolian
        Doesn’t he realize that yesterday Russia knocked out a means of pressure on her from the hands of her worst enemies.

        Russia has pierced this channel for 8 (!) Years, mind you. And right now, he appeared not because it was planned like that, but because he had to come to an agreement, making huge concessions, compared to the originally proposed option! Why the contract skidded for so many years. The price of 350 bucks is essentially the cheapest in Europe today. But it was necessary to conclude now - so as not to lose the final European position! So to consider this event as a big victory for Russian politics, I would not. Rather, it is a friendly gesture from the Chinese.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 22 May 2014 11: 55
      +1
      Ukraine banned the entry of Russian male citizens from young to old ...
  16. VV15
    VV15 22 May 2014 08: 44
    +4
    The article smacks of provocation.
    1. Sergei 57
      Sergei 57 22 May 2014 09: 00
      +4
      I agree. Why should the author not turn with his realities to the heroes of the triumph of the United States and Europe.
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. Artist
      Artist 22 May 2014 09: 43
      +8
      Yes, there is no provocation here, it’s just that a person is worried about the southeast and he wants to believe that good will win, but in Russia the government has deceived the people so many times ... Therefore, the author expresses his fear and some degree of distrust of the country's leadership.
  17. buzer
    buzer 22 May 2014 08: 45
    +1
    The author expressed his opinion. Although for me it too simplifies one and the other reality, and he himself gives the impression of a man divorced from reality.
  18. sledge
    sledge 22 May 2014 08: 46
    +11
    Well, how much can you repeat the same thing? In 1941, they defended the Motherland from young to old. Why? Why in the newly-made republics, which have chosen independence, everything, young and old, do not stand up for their independence? Why does everyone nod to Russia?
  19. slovak007
    slovak007 22 May 2014 08: 46
    0
    No need to panic, well, he took away the excess troops. The troops remained in their native garrisons near the borders, even a third of these troops will be enough to disperse the "National Guard".
  20. volot-voin
    volot-voin 22 May 2014 08: 47
    +6
    Something I do not understand why the DNI and LC are worse than Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Our people live there, our people who simply need our help at a critical moment. Waited for Gazprom to agree with China? Agreed. It's time to conduct an operation to force Ukraine into peace. And then, I agree with the author, smacks of betrayal.
    1. tolian
      tolian 22 May 2014 09: 29
      +3
      Do you have an idea of ​​international law? Indeed, in South Ossetia a completely different situation was. There, Georgia invaded an independent republic. Violating an existing international agreement. And I got on the hill.
    2. Grbear
      Grbear 22 May 2014 11: 01
      +3
      volot-voin-y
      You, my friend, are a demagogue, moreover, without the rudiments of education.

      How will Russia be different from the United States by "turning on" coercion? And who to force? A pack of Natsiks without a name and a tribe, who spend a month walking around Slavyansk and cannot take it. Yes, tomorrow they will be declared civilians. So what? We need an army for protection. Strong - in order to understand that the defense will be tough.

      I understand Strelkova more, with his 80th new militias, and I will sincerely regret if anything happens to him. But this man like Danko, tears YOUR heartrather than crying out for help from the couch. And to draw Russia into a war with the whole world? There are good arguments for this (the ratio of 5 thousand militias and 140 million people is a reason for reflection?).

      Old song:
      "No one will give us deliverance
      Neither god, nor king, nor hero.
      We will achieve liberation
      With my own hand "

      Otherwise - and the constitution of the wrong system, and the government is "somehow wrong" and pensions do not grow. And in general, "you shouldn't be here."
      1. vsoltan
        vsoltan 22 May 2014 12: 20
        -2
        Of course, we must do it ourselves. just about " draw Russia into war with the whole world"- it seems to me that you exaggerate somewhat
  21. polly
    polly 22 May 2014 08: 49
    +7
    Putin doesn’t play strategy online, he has a huge country on his shoulders, you need to have a cold head and not chop off your shoulder. And Russia is to blame for life and by default, so that is not new.
    1. tolian
      tolian 22 May 2014 09: 31
      +9
      Russia is even to blame for the fact that Hitler broke the ridge. But Bandera Stalin did not have time to finish.
  22. thinking
    thinking 22 May 2014 08: 50
    +4
    What are you really gymnasium students, the lack of big words still doesn’t mean anything, I’m sure that the latent work is carried out gigantic, Putin will not let the fascists live near Russia
  23. Roman1970
    Roman1970 22 May 2014 08: 50
    +10
    The official reality: Putin, glowing with happiness, signs a century gas contract with China. My reality: the National Guard under the shells fall in the center of Slavyansk, people are hiding in basements and pray to God and Russia for help.

    And in your opinion, should Putin sit with people in the basements? Putin is the President and is obliged to pursue a competent and balanced policy aimed at the good of Russia. If it is NECESSARY to shine with happiness in China, he is obliged to do so. I didn’t like the article, it’s muddy ...
  24. asv96
    asv96 22 May 2014 08: 52
    +5
    Again, Russia should be responsible for all.
    Russia withdrew the troops as it did before, but for some reason it quickly let them down later, this is a pulsating tactic. And now the battle, as you noticed, is not being fought for material values, but for the minds, unlike the EU and the United States, we have not even used weapons, as they say, not a single shot was fired.
    The management does everything not to go according to the scenario. And what about the new republics, they finally must realize that for their own good you have to fight. Russia will help, but we should not do everything for them. This is a completely normal evolution of the DNI and LNR thinking. They take their steps and a skeleton is formed. And what do you want, how do sleek Muscovites come to Crimea, they will do everything for them and will profit from it, but Crimea is partly a military city, but it might not like it so you need to grow your leaders and managers. No matter how cynical it sounds, but in all wars, and especially in civil wars, it is necessary to raise a people, it just won’t go out to defend itself only under the threat of life and the destruction of the family, even for money a person will not go to death. So the part must suffer.
  25. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 22 May 2014 08: 54
    +4
    It’s interesting, if we take it hypothetically and imagine the same situation, for example, in Bulgaria. Almost a civil war, several thousand people are defending themselves in self-determined territories, even from the fascist power of the state, and the rest of the population of these territories does not help defend against this power, but only appeals to Russia. What should Russia do? At one time, I had a discussion on the topic of responsibility for decisions made, the higher the position, the higher the responsibility. Or like the classic: "Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the outside."
  26. GRune
    GRune 22 May 2014 08: 54
    +7
    And I will say: if two young republics die, then Russia will be to blame. Sami brewed, and then - to the side!

    Author, libertut fucking, blow on the Echo. As the language then turned to declare Russia brewed? Damn fucking. Maybe you and the GRU special forces are operating there and the Chechen riot police and magazines from MANPADs are naughty? Judas!
    1. annodomene
      annodomene 22 May 2014 09: 09
      +5
      From the heart, rude, but to the point
    2. Siberian 19
      Siberian 19 22 May 2014 10: 11
      +4
      That's right. And an article with a sweetheart.
  27. Ka3ak
    Ka3ak 22 May 2014 08: 56
    +4
    The author, thank God we have President Vladimir Vladimirovich, not you.
    Georgian war, Syria, Crimea, New Russia. In sequence, geopolitical moves unexpected for our opponents take place.
    And of course in the village gas is good, comfortable. BUT for this very sold gas it will be possible to build several PAKFA (and not only). If they are not built, then there will be not only gas in the villages.
  28. mamont5
    mamont5 22 May 2014 08: 59
    +8
    "And I will say: if two young republics perish, then Russia will be to blame. They brewed it themselves, and then - aside! It's not good - it smells of betrayal."

    And who told you that Russia has brewed all this? Where have you seen this? It smacks of provocation.
    Now in Novorossia a minimal number of people are really fighting. Most checked the referendum and believe that their role has been fulfilled. And you suggest throwing our army into this storm? Yes, we will win, but at what cost and at what cost ...
  29. annodomene
    annodomene 22 May 2014 09: 00
    +8
    And what are we, i.e. Russia brewed? Who allowed the Nazis to power? Why should Russia send troops to regions where adult men do not want to assert their right (freedom from Nazism, the right to a normal life, etc.). Shooters with their people will stand to death, it is his duty and honor. But something is not visible to the HUGE MASS of his like-minded people and supporters. The President of the Russian Federation, I believe, is doing the right thing — he primarily cares about his country. That's really - with a sore head, but a healthy one ... IMHO. I fully support the opinion of polly.
  30. turishev
    turishev 22 May 2014 09: 00
    +3
    I contacted the residents of Slavyansk, one of them is a militia, they are discouraged and do not believe that Russia will come to the aid. They are grateful for humanitarian aid. The situation is not critical, but close to what the militia says. Some people are at war. and hopes that Putin will help
  31. Prometey
    Prometey 22 May 2014 09: 00
    +7
    I agree with the author. As zealously in early March, Putin began to put pressure on the Maidan leadership, loud and correct phrases rained down - Russia would never leave the Russians. And then we believed, believed in the strength and independence of the position of our country, which was demonstrated in Crimea. Two Ukrainian regions rose up against the Kiev junta, although not all, but some residents showed their willingness to defend their rights with arms in their hands. But, what I see now - see how even the rhetoric of news channels has changed dramatically - just mean, dry information. Moscow almost did not react to the massacre in Odessa, escaping with on-duty phrases. Putin is silent about what is happening in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. There are no attempts at political pressure on Kiev.
    No one calls for troops to be sent to Donetsk and Lugansk, but you can play on the nerves of the junta and provide moral support to the militias. There is none of this - there is only the indifferent position of the Kremlin, which is only concerned about the return of debt for gas. I would not be surprised if, after the election, Dill again provide discounts and deferrals of payments, but in principle this is what goes on.
    But why were all these big words needed, that Russia would defend the rights of Russians? And probably not everything is clean with Crimea either - the Kremlin, as a guarantor of the rights of oligarchic capital, defended someone's financial interests there. There are no geopolitical interests, there are only financial interests of large oligarchs in power, in Russia, in Ukropia. But they always agree among themselves, the people do not count.
    And do not care about the minuses, continue to believe in the "brilliant strategy" of Putin.
    1. annodomene
      annodomene 22 May 2014 09: 06
      +5
      The time will come - we'll see. And moral help is being provided anyway, it is not a problem to quickly transfer the troops "to the backside" where they were. The activity of the entire population of the DPR is simply not visible. The situation is strange - my uncle will come and help us. You can help the one who DOES something.
    2. evcipik
      evcipik 22 May 2014 09: 07
      +1
      but I do not agree. let them raise their couch troops themselves. everyone is sitting in the huts. with a population of 10 million, they have less than 1000 militias, why should our Russians die. help is needed, but help is needed for those who do something themselves, but they want to leave on someone else's ass as always. Yes, and we don’t all know the big game in politics
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 22 May 2014 09: 22
        +6
        Quote: evcipik
        they have less than 1000 militias, why should our Russians die

        Yes, what have the Russians to do with it? Once again I say that we are not talking about the introduction of troops. we are talking about political and moral support for the Russian-speaking population of Lugansk and Donetsk. Why are they worse than Crimeans, who, by the way, also gained a couple of thousand militias from their strength, but all of Russia really stood behind them? This is a policy of double standards, and I, as a citizen of Russia, regret that such a policy is being pursued by my country.
        In 2008, Russia carried out an operation to force Georgia to peace for the sake of the god-forgotten South Ossetia. Here in the southeast are the rights of millions of citizens who do not want to live under the yoke of Bandera and they do not even have political support. What is it and what to call?
        1. onizhe
          onizhe 22 May 2014 11: 17
          +1
          Quote: Prometey
          Why are they worse than Crimeans, who, by the way, also gained a couple of thousand militias from their strength, but all of Russia really stood behind them?

          They are no worse. It’s just that the situation in Crimea was different. There, the population almost 100% supported Russia, here everything is far from so simple. What is the political and moral support of the Russian-speaking population, I do not understand. Firstly, they are all Russian-speaking there, on the one hand, and on the other. Secondly, political and moral support is already being provided, only its fruits are so far invisible. Here there will be at least some president who can be influenced, then we'll see. There can be only one support against the military operation of the Ukrainian Army - counter-operation. And this is war. And for most Ukrainians we will look like invaders, not liberators. The introduction of troops is a possible but extreme measure.
        2. zavesa01
          zavesa01 22 May 2014 17: 36
          +2
          Quote: Prometey
          I, as a citizen of Russia, regret that such a policy is being pursued by my country.

          Citizen How old are you? You are ready to send your son to the war for a FOREIGN country that may accuse you of occupation. Perhaps your son will not return protecting his peer, who will sit at home with beer because it is scary to fight. You are ready to take the life of the father of your grandson. Husband of his daughter. If not, then stick your opinion deeply. Citizen. I am ready to go on my own and send my son to death to defend my HOMELAND, the Fatherland, my home and my family. But I will never send my son to protect 50 healthy men who DO NOT want to protect themselves, because it is scary and can be carried. I am ready to render all possible assistance to those who are now in Slavyansk with weapons in their hands. I'm not sorry for the rest. (I do not take into account women, old people and children.) Something like that, albeit chaotically but boiling. Sitting on the couch and talking easily ready to load a load of 000 MOTHERS MOTHER? No, well, there’s nothing to bark. The soldiers are room.
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 22 May 2014 20: 40
            0
            Quote: zavesa01
            Citizen How old are you? Are you ready to send your son to war for a FOREIGN country

            Before embarking on a polemic, read or listen carefully to your opponent so that you don’t sit in a puddle and do not bother like a woman. Once again, this is not about the introduction of troops into Ukraine, but about political pressure on Kiev and the support declared by Putin himself for the Russian-speaking population. None of this is being done, the Kremlin is silently indifferent.
    3. aleks700
      aleks700 22 May 2014 09: 39
      +5
      Exactly. All would have forgiven the president, and economic sanctions and lower salaries, but FALSE and betrayal can not be forgiven.
    4. yulka2980
      yulka2980 22 May 2014 09: 48
      -1
      Or can we all enter the fifth column? Let’s go hand in hand with Novodvorskaya? Why don’t you go there yourself? And if the products are 10 times more expensive, gasoline, etc., then everyone will howl again, Putin is to blame, you had to sit like mice
    5. Artist
      Artist 22 May 2014 10: 01
      0
      As one smart man said, "we will wait."
  32. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 22 May 2014 09: 04
    +3
    he himself would have crushed such alarmists! of course! in Donnetsk, they sat too tightly pressed their asses to complete decay in power and Russia is to blame! wait 3 days! On the 25th, everything will become obvious who and what ... and if, as some people put it in Southeast, Nazism will win, then, by all logic, the elections have passed, then the people have voted ... and if according to the election results it turns out that only Kiev itself went to the polls, yes Lviv ... it will be obvious who is for the Nazis and who is for world peace
  33. jura61
    jura61 22 May 2014 09: 05
    +2
    For me it’s impossible to support so publicly because they will attack right away from all sides, you have to get used to playing by the rules, why study with the USA!
    The fact that Ukrainians, together with ami, are trying in every possible way to find a Russian trace that even journalists are already being arrested, falsify the accusations, says only one thing the leadership is doing is right. Whatever the case, the DPR army is small.
  34. yana532912
    yana532912 22 May 2014 09: 06
    +3
    The position is to sit out, wait until the GDP does everything for you, it is a loss in advance. Putin is the president of another country in Russia. To take any measures, he must see that the resistance is NATIONAL ... http://cs618725.vk.me/v618725267/7ad9/o5d_1uOkNzE.jpg
  35. Lyokha79
    Lyokha79 22 May 2014 09: 07
    +3
    This article is a splash of emotions, nothing more. I agree with the author only in one thing - the soul hurts for what is happening in the South-East of Ukraine. But isn't it the duty of the Ukrainians themselves, who do not want to live under the fascists, to destroy these fascists? It has been written and rewritten here, so I will not repeat myself. None of us has access to the president's office, no one can, with one eye, look into folders marked "Sov. Secret." And even more so, no one knows Putin's plans. None of us know what negotiations are underway that are not covered in the media. What comes to us is a thousandth part of the information.
    So there’s nothing to smack a fever.
  36. kuzia-roker
    kuzia-roker 22 May 2014 09: 10
    +2
    Quote: ReifA
    The president also thinks about the consequences of his actions. Therefore, he and the President, and not another citizen who wants to clean up with a saber, to restore order in another country.

    So then it’s just after finishing pin (D) with Ukraine, the autumn will take up Belarus then other former Soviet republics.
  37. Rinat 1
    Rinat 1 22 May 2014 09: 10
    0
    Firstly, it was not Russia that brewed this mess, but mattresses with gays from the gay union, and secondly, residents
    Southeast Ukraine themselves must win.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 22 May 2014 09: 26
      +2
      Quote: Rinat 1
      and secondly residents
      Southeast Ukraine themselves must win.

      Well, why shouldn't Crimea itself have won a victory in this case?
      1. Siberian 19
        Siberian 19 22 May 2014 10: 20
        +3
        Well, as far as I remember, in the Crimea there was a mass demonstration of the people plus organization on the part of their own authorities. And here I don’t even see the coordination between the DPR and LPR leaders. It seems like every republic is on its own.
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 22 May 2014 10: 49
          0
          Quote: Sibiryak 19
          Well, as far as I remember in the Crimea there was a mass demonstration of the people

          No more massive than in Kharkov or Donetsk.
      2. Rinat 1
        Rinat 1 22 May 2014 11: 40
        +1
        Well, why shouldn't Crimea itself have won a victory in this case?
        Crimea just got his victory himself! Firstly, organization, secondly, ready to go to a victorious end. This is not observed in the South-West, there is no mass organization, we went to a referendum and that’s all, you can sit back at home. But uncles from Russia fight and die, they won’t win, so Russia will be to blame.
    2. andj61
      andj61 22 May 2014 09: 43
      +2
      But help is needed. Otherwise, we will not respect ourselves.
  38. Siberian 1975
    Siberian 1975 22 May 2014 09: 14
    +2
    About villages without gas, I agree. But I did not understand what Russia brewed in Ukraine and from which it was sidestepping. Eastern Ukrainians brewed themselves, and if they did not brew, they contributed to their silence when they sat and stared at the Nazis on the Maidan on TV, but did not go and did not disperse. Wanted an independent state? Receive and sign, but solve your internal problems yourself. Russia cannot just enter its troops into the territory of an INDEPENDENT state.
  39. Giant thought
    Giant thought 22 May 2014 09: 15
    +4
    The Russian leadership does not have a real desire to help South-East. It would be possible to organize any private security company, recruit people to arm, give equipment and forward, if there are any problems, the state has nothing to do with it, the company is private. In general, there would be a desire.
  40. Signaller
    Signaller 22 May 2014 09: 16
    0
    There is a good Russian saying "Chickens are counted in autumn". Let's live. Already on our pages so much has been written about this, almost every day, articles appear, opinions. So, apparently, and now we will share in half.
  41. Samurai3X
    Samurai3X 22 May 2014 09: 17
    +4
    For Putin to do something, it is necessary for the WHOLE people of the Southeast to rise and say his word.
    While the majority sits on the pope exactly at the monitor or telly and thinks:
    "How scary! This is some kind of n% zde! Putin come! Putin save me!"
    The only centers of a single will are Slavyansk and some other cities.
    What is Odessa there? You have KILLED over 100 people! Your power OFFICIALLY throaty, what a fellow Odessa, getting rid of filthy terrariugs and renegades. What? That's right, we sit on the priest exactly ...
    Honestly, this Ukraine is already sick of it. They got what they deserved for the destruction of their own culture with their own hands.
    For at least another year, we will hear "Putin come!" "Save Putin!" ...
  42. COBA
    COBA 22 May 2014 09: 17
    +3
    People have always been a bargaining chip in big political games and multi-way combinations.
    To recall at least the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, units of the RF Armed Forces stood under the Roki tunnel for more than a day and waited for an order which was not received, at that time our peacekeepers and South Ossetians died. They were bait.
    There is nothing to say about "KURSK".
    Putin considers dividends from gas contracts and does not consider those killed in the DPR and LPR.
    1. shvm1808
      shvm1808 23 May 2014 06: 44
      0
      Koba, I cannot agree with you. Show respect to our president. What dividends? If we worked like him, Russia would firmly stand on its feet.
  43. RUSmen
    RUSmen 22 May 2014 09: 20
    +4
    Personally, I am not eager to sacrifice myself for Ukraine and even for the DPR and LPR, but I will tear my head off for Russia. The reason: since 1991, Ukraine has become an independent state, they chose their own presidents. Here post their "analyzes" rake themselves. They did not help us to fight in Chechnya, but they did help Georgia. In general, it is not necessary to ruin our guys, I see no point. As in the proverb: "from good, good is not sought", I'm not sure that we will be thanked. Sorry if it's rude.
  44. A40263S
    A40263S 22 May 2014 09: 20
    +3
    About gas, ordinary people and Zenith are precisely noticed. Maybe it’s time to pay attention to your population and not think about what kind of maradna to buy yet, Russian Railways are the same, there is something to think about. But there are also correct holdings - for example, UMMC, they really do a lot of good things for their employees and residents of city-forming cities. I looked at the article, although in essence the author’s thoughts were correct. We don’t know what they say, the president should think about his inhabitants, etc. will not work if now the ATO really destroys the pro-Russian republics - the drain will be worse and more offensive to Serbia than sad. It would be nice if there was a more global plan, time will tell
  45. awg75
    awg75 22 May 2014 09: 21
    +9
    several million people sit home, work for the junta and pay taxes to the junta, while several hundred patriots of the motherland are fighting the Nazis. while blaming Russia for inaction. First of all, lift your ass off the couch and fight for your future yourself. Russia will help, but you must first of all win the right to live with dignity.
  46. doktorlar
    doktorlar 22 May 2014 09: 22
    +2
    Somehow, the comrade does not see far and greatly simplifies the understanding of the moment. All of Russia, and Putin more than anyone else, is not fascist for Ukraine. To help Russia should be strong. This step has been taken. It is necessary to gain a margin of safety, it will be easier help and right. Again, the question is, why did so few people take up arms in the southeast? Can you help someone who does not want this? And that Russia has brewed porridge is completely wrong. Think a little ...
  47. Closs
    Closs 22 May 2014 09: 25
    +6
    Honestly, I am outraged by the very attitude of the local population of Donbass to everything that happens. Adult men wave their hands in front of the cameras and cry how hard and scary they are. Yes, even if half of the adult male population of these republics rose, they would simply trample the National Guard as ants without weapons. It turns out that our children must die for their freedom, and they watch all this on TV and enjoy with a beer ...
    1. ehomenkov
      ehomenkov 22 May 2014 13: 36
      +1
      So, there’s no time for them to engage in such nonsense - to play war games - they need to earn money - or else, God forbid, Ahmedka will be uprooted and cover up the moshna ... and mother and zinka will not be allowed ... and in general - the grandmother in two said - how it will end - so we'll wait ...
  48. Anaconda
    Anaconda 22 May 2014 09: 26
    +2
    Russia is fighting for the brotherly people of all Ukraine, and not just the Russian-speaking part of it. The entry of Russian troops into Eastern Ukraine will only strengthen the position of the opponents of Russia. As ordinary Ukrainians, we will be invaders. Ukrainian society is consolidating around the Kiev junta, and their propaganda is tripled will take up the treatment of the population (especially youth)
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 22 May 2014 10: 50
      +4
      Quote: Anaconda
      Russia is fighting for the fraternal people of all Ukraine

      there is no such people and never was
  49. maxvik
    maxvik 22 May 2014 09: 27
    +3
    This article is in an entry-level textbook on manipulating consciousness.
    Everything that happens is one reality, and each of us is aware of it to the extent of our knowledge, abilities and personal qualities. But if one reality is so rigidly split into two, then perhaps this is somehow connected with schizophrenia.
  50. Flinky
    Flinky 22 May 2014 09: 28
    -1
    Sami brewed, and then - to the side!

    Bold minus the article. I don’t even want to comment.