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Ukrainian Chess - 2

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Brzezinski’s “Great Chessboard” is, of course, an exaggeration, but there is a rational grain in it. With this approach to world politics in the “Ukrainian party” of the USA - Russia, “white” is played by Washington: he made the first move when he launched in Europe, through the hands of his Polish satellite, the Eastern Partnership program, whose main goal was the “Euro-Association” of Ukraine, that is, its complete separation from Russia and its inclusion in the sphere of its domination.


Yanukovych was then the President of Ukraine, and he was blessed by the Obama presidency; he was the first to send him a congratulatory letter, which denied Tymoshenko a new “third round” of elections. Probably, this blessing was arranged with certain conditions, in any case, Yanukovych pursued a policy of “euro-association” of Ukraine until the last days before the Vilnius summit, and the US State Department, and the American embassy in Kiev, had no significant claims to it.

The Western press wrote then about Putin’s strange calm: he cannot fail to understand the global consequences of such a “Euro-Association of Ukraine” for Russia!

The response of Moscow was unexpected and also made indirectly through Yanukovych: at the last moment - a few days before the summit in Vilnius! - he suddenly began to doubt the nuances of the “Euro-Association”, an already agreed document, and flatly refused to sign it in Vilnius, despite the most convincing requests from all of Europe. Insightful Western observers immediately realized that this was Moscow’s counterstrike, and accused of derailing the “Euro-Association” of Ukraine Putin.

Some Russian observers pointed out that Yanukovych’s “sudden insight” is not convincing that this is more likely a way to live to Vilnius, “otherwise there would have been some kind of tragic accident”. We will go further, and finish this thought: if President Yushchenko was called a CIA agent, or his wife, a CIA agent, then Yanukovych may well be a secret Kremlin agent, or "agent of influence." Otherwise, it is very difficult to explain his behavior in Vilnius, he will have to resort to fantasies that he was a sincere, convinced and last supporter of a truly “united and normal Ukraine” in Ukraine. True, he became the last president of "united Ukraine".

The fact that the failure of Vilnius in Europe was a reciprocal "course of Moscow", says Yanukovych’s prompt conclusion of the Moscow Agreement, on very favorable economic conditions for Ukraine, and strategically advantageous for Moscow.

Second round

Washington’s response to Vilnius was immediate. The European Commissioners (Fule) immediately transparently hinted that they would have to sign the “Euro-Association” of Ukraine with its other President. NGOs and NGOs in Kiev, under the leadership of the American embassy, ​​are launching a “student Euromaidan”. He quickly became radicalized and proceeded from the requirements of the “Euro-Association” to the demand for the resignation of President Yanukovych “for all his mortal sins,” which are suddenly revealed in an incredible amount.

Yanukovych demonstrates intransigence, and then the US Embassy connects armed Bandera neo-Nazi formations Yarosh to the coup d'etat prepared by CIA agent Nalyvaychenko in advance (Euromaidan changes flags to Bandera red-black). Western media shamelessly lying about the "peaceful demonstrations" taking place in Kiev, the US State Department is harassing Yanukovych’s actions with its Ukrainian network of agents, and the "peaceful protest" of armed militants overthrows February of the lawfully elected President of Ukraine.

It is known that Putin refused to give Yanukovych a request for the provision of troops, it was unrealistic, but he saves Yanukovych from inevitable reprisals, and, perhaps, his agent from disclosing important information, and provides him with asylum in Rostov.

Removing Yanukovych, Washington more than “returned the position”, having received all of Ukraine at its disposal: the remnants of the puppet neo-Nazi Verkhovna Rada under its complete control. By the way, after this, the very need for a “euro-association” of Ukraine disappears, therefore, today it turns into a profanation, and they talk about it for the sake of “saving face”.

In order to disavow a coup and get "free hand" on the territory of Ukraine, Washington is talking about a "revolution" in Ukraine. However, the revolution, as well as the coup, is a gap in the legitimacy of state power. Moscow took advantage of this circumstance for the retaliatory move, not recognizing the Bandera regime in Ukraine as legitimate.

Moscow responds with “Crimea” to Washington’s capture of Kiev. The “Russian Spring” in Crimea, with the “polite” support of Russia, is turning into an alternative “revolution”, the Supreme Council of Crimea is holding a referendum, which takes historical decision to return to Russia. From a legal point of view, it is much stronger than the "Kiev revolution", because it was carried out in response to it. And historically and in fairness ... Crimea was donated by Khrushchev, not Russia, to Ukraine in honor of the 300th anniversary of reunification, therefore, if Bandera Ukraine decided to "disconnect" from Russia, then the gifts must be returned.

Washington, apparently, dreamed of making Crimea his unsinkable strategic aircraft carrier in the Black Sea, but now he can only bite his elbows, and he accuses Russia of “annexing Crimea”. It’s just after the own “revolutionary” annexation of the whole of Ukraine that looks somewhat ridiculous, and Washington has to replicate a propaganda cliché about the “annexation of the Crimea”, bringing the situation to an absurdity.

third round

“Russian Spring” predictably spread to other Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine. The three-month beating and burning of the employees of the “Berkut” by neo-Nazis in Kiev changed the public consciousness in Ukraine, since they clearly told thinking people what should really be expected from the new ultranationalist government in Kiev. In the Southeast, anti-Maidans began, protests, the new government began to “click out” their activists, in the words of the fascist leader of the Right Sector, Yarosh. But the protests are supported by the "Berkut", they are only growing. Moscow leads the troops on the border into increased combat readiness, announces the possible deployment of troops into the Russian-speaking regions.

Washington is responding to this “Crimea” with a visit to Kiev from CIA director Brennan. Immediately after his visit, the. p. Turchinov announces the start of the "anti-terrorist operation" in the Donbass. In general, there is nothing unusual in this: the fascists and during the Great Patriotic War, moreover, in the same territories, declared the people's partisans "terrorists". But the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not want to fight with the people, the Dnipropetrovsk Airborne Division partially raises Russian flags and goes over to the side of the militias in Slavyansk. This was understood in Kiev: the National Guard is created from Bandera militants and youths duped by propaganda. It easily guesses "death squads" from pro-American patriots of Latin America; this Latin American experience was brought to Ukraine, perhaps, by the CIA employees, who occupy floors in the Ukrainian Security Service of Ukraine today.

On the punitive expedition of the “National Guard” in the Donbass, Moscow responds with a demonstration of “battalion exercises” of troops on the border with Ukraine, which cools several hotheads in Kiev, and binds the Ukrainian armed forces on the border. Washington is awaiting the entry of Russian troops into the Donbass, but it did not follow. It turns out that Putin was bluffing, talking about the introduction of troops to protect the Russian-speaking population? Not a fact, the Lugansk and Donetsk republics themselves are successfully opposing the neo-Nazi militants, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces as a whole takes a neutral position.

Obviously, Putin responded to Washington’s “ATO” with a demonstration of military power, but the resolution to use the Russian Armed Forces on the territory of Ukraine was not canceled by the Federation Council, and the Bandera power was not recognized by Russia.

In general, the coup d'état in Kiev, or the “Bandera revolution”, launched uncontrollable processes in Ukraine. In February, 1917 of the year, British intelligence initiated a coup in Russia, a “managed” Provisional Government was created, and did anyone in the world think about how this would end in October in the summer of 1917? Now in the footsteps of the British in Russia are the Americans in Ukraine, exactly one hundred years later ...

In Russia, they know what “controlled chaos” is not from theory, but from experience, and Putin very prudently took a pause so as not to take the risk of this “chaos”. He seems to be giving this opportunity to its initiators ...

Fourth round

It will begin on 25 in May in a “natural”, arising from the position, a move on the part of Washington: the presidential election in Ukraine to legitimize Bandera's power. Since they are held for Western public opinion, and to justify American policy in Ukraine, the Verkhovna Rada has removed all democratic conditions for their holding: nothing hinders them, even the ATO, one Turchinov’s vote will be enough to recognize them as valid.

Whether these elections will take place, or end with the new “third round”: the revolution with a shootout in Kiev, as Tymoshenko again insists, they will not change the situation in Ukraine. Elections in a divided society, chaos in the heads and in the territories will only exacerbate the general chaos in Ukraine, and it can lose all “control” from Washington, as in 1917 from London.

The retaliatory move of Moscow in this situation is quite predictable, especially given the non-recognition by Washington of the referendums in the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk republics, the disregard of the brutal massacres by the Kiev regime of people in Odessa and Mariupol. The presidential elections in Ukraine will be qualified by Russia as a farce, along with the results. How Washington will respond to this - we will not guess ...
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  1. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 22 May 2014 08: 18
    +37
    I wouldn’t speak so confidently about the calculability of the steps of Russia and its leadership ...
    Putin retained the possibility of any action ... absolutely any ...
    What I am absolutely sure of ... is that ... with such "activity" of the majority of the population ... our army simply has nothing to do there ...
    The mildest scenario ... the divorce of troops in Ukraine and the deployment of peacekeepers along the border before the formation of the Federation.
    1. Afinogen
      Afinogen 22 May 2014 08: 21
      +14
      Quote: silberwolf88
      The mildest scenario ... the divorce of troops in Ukraine and the deployment of peacekeepers along the border before the formation of the Federation.


      They won’t do this, the Americans need all of Ukraine, and the withdrawal of troops is a recognition of the DPR.
      1. MOISEY
        MOISEY 22 May 2014 08: 33
        +12
        Under time pressure, the United States is no longer happy with all this leapfrog in Ukraine. Controlled chaos somehow suddenly became uncontrollable. I think now of course they will add fuel to the Ukrainian fire, but the priority of the objectives has shifted to destabilize the situation in the border regions of China, so to speak, revenge for contracts with Russia.
        1. andj61
          andj61 22 May 2014 08: 42
          +10
          Quote: MOISEY
          Controlled chaos somehow suddenly became uncontrollable.

          They are afraid that this chaos has become just controlled, but from the side of Russia.
        2. ks
          ks 22 May 2014 10: 45
          +4
          Americans are very happy about everything; for them, any alignment is not acceptable for their territory.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 22 May 2014 17: 56
            -2
            Quote: vvs
            Americans are very happy about everything; for them, any alignment is not acceptable for their territory.


            Ltd belay ! What a strong excuse you have for US diplomatic losses fellow !
        3. Onotollah
          Onotollah 22 May 2014 11: 39
          +2
          Quote: MOISEY
          destabilization of the situation in the border areas of China

          Correctly think a colleague: terrorist attack in Urumqi, 30 dead, 90 wounded.
      2. andj61
        andj61 22 May 2014 08: 39
        +12
        Quote: Athenogen
        Quote: silberwolf88
        The mildest scenario ... the divorce of troops in Ukraine and the deployment of peacekeepers along the border before the formation of the Federation.


        They won’t do this, the Americans need all of Ukraine, and the withdrawal of troops is a recognition of the DPR.


        The fact is that we are also better off having a united and neutral Ukraine. Federalization is just a way to create such a country. For the Americans, it’s more advantageous to divide the country in order to get a sluggish conflict that is constantly weakening Russia, justifying sanctions, and pulling on itself the sector of the European market that Russia now occupies. The question is that now the people of Donbass, not even being ready to fight, no longer want to live in the same state with Bandera, and the people of Russia are completely ready to support it. People are pushing leaders toward more radical steps.
        1. OTTO
          OTTO 22 May 2014 14: 14
          0
          Quote: andj61
          ... the people of Russia are completely ready to support him (Donbass). People are pushing leaders toward more radical steps.

          This is bad. When 100 years ago Russia stood up for Serbia, the support of the people was enormous, what ended everyone remembers.
      3. Rus2012
        Rus2012 22 May 2014 12: 40
        +2
        Quote: Athenogen
        They won’t do this, the Americans need all of Ukraine, and the withdrawal of troops is a recognition of the DPR.

        3,14ndos need chaos on the ruin. And the thicker it is, with the involvement of the EU and Russia, the better for them. Especially if the nuclear power plant explodes and all the Great-Ukrainian and Russian are killed ...
        Ukrkak territory they need
        1. O_RUS
          O_RUS 22 May 2014 19: 38
          +1
          Quote: Rus2012
          3,14ndos need chaos on the ruin. And the thicker it is, with the involvement of the EU and Russia, the better for them. Especially if the nuclear power plant explodes and all the Great-Ukrainian and Russian are killed ...
          Ukrkak territory they need


          +

          The fact that money from the accounts of "PrivatBank" massively go to Europe and America, bloggers reported back in mid-April. Since since then, stability and order have not increased in Ukraine, there is no doubt that the process of asset withdrawal continues at an accelerated pace. The fact that earlier Kolomoisky had already been caught by the hand in such cases convinces of this. Back in 2012, he managed to sell a 25% stake in PrivatBank to the Cyprus offshore Triantal Investments Ltd., and only the general meeting of shareholders could return at least part of this package back to Ukrainian jurisdiction.

          Probably, in addition to the funds of the governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region, this channel also goes to foreign accounts and the money of the self-proclaimed Kiev government, which the EU has not been stingy with recently. This circumstance explains both the strange love that the owner of Privatbank enjoys with the current Ukrainian authorities and the amount of funds pumped into the bank. And this shameless robbery of ordinary Ukrainians is being covered up, which should have been helped by tranches of EU financial assistance, by spectacular public relations of Maestro Kolomoisky.
          http://www.vslux.ru
    2. sscha
      sscha 22 May 2014 08: 56
      +2
      Playing chess implies a balanced approach to defense and attack and your ability to "calculate" your opponent ....
      I am afraid that in its games with Russia, the West, as has happened more than once, will not be able to "calculate" Putin. He always has a "knight's move" in stock! laughing hi
      Z.Y. I’m not good at chess, but I can give a proper assessment to the moves of chess players. wink hi
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 22 May 2014 11: 09
        +2
        Quote: sscha
        Z.Y. I’m not good at chess, but I can give a proper assessment to the moves of chess players.
        Horse go!
        laughing hi
        1. olegglin
          olegglin 22 May 2014 12: 12
          +15
          Anecdote on the topic of the day: A man walks into a souvenir shop. He sees a small bronze figurine of a cat. The price tag says: "The cat is 1000 hryvnia, its history is 10 000 hryvnia."
          - Can I buy a cat without a story? he asks the seller.
          “Of course,” the seller answers, “but you will come back for the story anyway.” A man buys a small bronze cat and walks around the city. Suddenly, he notices that one cat follows him, then another, then another. After some time, thousands of cats are already following him. The man begins to run away in horror. Cats are not far behind. Then he swings and throws a small bronze cat figure into the river. All the cats who had run before this man, immediately jump into the water after the statuette and drown. A man goes back to the same gift shop.
          “I warned you that you would return for the story,” the seller tells him.
          - To hell with the story! - the man answers. Do you have a small bronze Bandera?
        2. OTTO
          OTTO 22 May 2014 14: 20
          +2
          Quote: ATATA
          Quote: sscha
          Z.Y. I’m not good at chess, but I can give a proper assessment to the moves of chess players.
          Horse go!

          "... If he finishes me with a mate, I will - through the thigh with a grip, Or - a knight's move - on the head!" V. Vysotsky
          1. Buran
            Buran 22 May 2014 14: 27
            +4
            They need less smoking:

            Once I was walking in the forest, I see a well. I went up to him, got into the elevator, got on the bike, started the motorcycle, then bang, the conductor came up to me and said: `` Uncle, make way. '' And I say that I do not smoke. So this child will start crying! But I was not at a loss, and as I gave him in the face, and he grabs his knee and shouts: `` My back! My back!''. I get out of this train, I see that the minibus is standing. Well I go up and say: `` Winston blue and vodka 0. '' Well, she gives me Bond and beer. I take this and take moonshine and run away from this garbage! So these firemen caught up with me in the ambulance! They caught up and said: `` You forgot your change! ''. Well, I take a kilogram of apples, and go to the market to trade. I bring it, I didn't have time to lay out these bananas, and my grandmother immediately runs up and buys all the peaches from me, and says to put everything in a little bag! And I think that she is completely sick, how can I put 5 watermelons in her bag ?! I took the money and went home! I didn't go to the forest anymore ... and didn't touch the mushrooms ...
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    4. ksv500
      ksv500 22 May 2014 09: 10
      +5
      Quote: silberwolf88
      The mildest scenario ... the divorce of troops in Ukraine and the deployment of peacekeepers along the border before the formation of the Federation.
      First of all, Russia will not do this, which also needs Ukraine ideally up to its central part inclusive! Entering peacekeepers is a fixation of the situation, but you still need to free Odessa!
    5. xenod55
      xenod55 22 May 2014 09: 53
      +8
      Finally, the fact that there is no Russian army in Ukraine has spoken and EU intelligence:
      The European Union’s foreign service was not up to date and is checking the statements of the head of the EU’s military intelligence, Admiral George Alafuzoff, that the Russian military is not related to the situation in eastern Ukraine. This was reported by the correspondent. ITAR-TASS press secretary of the EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton - Maya Kosyanchich.
      “We are now checking what has been said. I can’t give any comments on this yet, ”she said, answering the question whether the head of military intelligence voiced the EU’s position or expressed a personal opinion.
      Well, as always, blindly deaf Americans do not believe in it (or rather DO NOT WANT to believe). Or pretend to be idiots again. What head of intelligence may have a PERSONAL opinion ???? Such people are used to relying ONLY on facts !!!
      1. Evgtan
        Evgtan 22 May 2014 12: 39
        +1
        NEWS FEED. Information has leaked to the CIA that the Kenyan plan to nominate his fellow tribesman for the presidency of the United States to give Ukraine the status of a colony of Kenya is successfully operating.
    6. Victor Kamenev
      22 May 2014 10: 16
      0
      It's not over yet evening ... People tend to believe in the best, that's what's the matter, but there are no miracles on this earth.
    7. ks
      ks 22 May 2014 10: 43
      -19%
      Putin does not calculate anything, he does not know what to do and is waiting for a convenient moment when an oversized mattress will make mistakes, but this should not be expected, in which case the Americans have nothing to do with the junta, but they will slam the door very loudly and restore the `` brothers '' again to Mother Rashka.
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      2. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 22 May 2014 11: 01
        +6
        Put a minus for "Rashka".
      3. rolik
        rolik 22 May 2014 11: 09
        +4
        Quote: vvs
        and to restore the `` brothers '' again to Mother Rashka

        And the old man obviously doesn’t live in Russia. And if he lives, then most likely he goes to bed with a white ribbon.
      4. washi
        washi 22 May 2014 12: 13
        +2
        Quote: vvs
        Putin does not calculate anything, he does not know what to do and

        Donetsk governor came under VTB sanctions
        / Cypriot court arrests Sergey Taruta property

        http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2476391
        And what does Putin have to do with it?
    8. Predator
      Predator 22 May 2014 10: 44
      0
      There won’t be any peacekeepers! Because we won’t do without ours. Everyone understands that then the SE will quietly and calmly leave the non-dependent GDP under the supervision!
      1. rolik
        rolik 22 May 2014 11: 11
        +2
        Quote: Predator
        then SE will quietly and calmly leave the square under the supervision of GDP!

        Quietly and calmly, alas, it is not yet possible. Because half of the population is sitting with the saying "I'll hide my house", and "I'll see what they can do, and then I'll join."
      2. DefakeR
        DefakeR 22 May 2014 16: 28
        0
        Well, of course, where is our GRU against the mattresses of the CIA)))) You are, however, a destabilizing element ... not patriotic, sir))) But the Americans are already so embroiled in situevina that it’s unlikely to just leave ... at least slam the doors clap ... at stake is controlling the flow of the main energy of the foreseeable and distant future - gas))) and this is a clap of a hammer bit into the coffin of petrodollar pizzia)) 0 imha) soldier
    9. Russophile
      Russophile 22 May 2014 20: 26
      0
      Yes, troops should not be entered. But to decide in an adult way with gas is worth it. Moreover, Europe considers it permissible to transfer gas purchase points to the Russian-border border. This, of course, solves to some extent the issue of reverse, but it is clearly not enough. In addition, filling the UGS for an uninterrupted winter supply to Europe will be a headache for Europe itself. And the restriction of gas supply to the outskirts will create additional social tension for the current government. Maybe this will make the garnet boys look differently at what they did to their country. Cruel? Yes. But he doesn’t play spools, the question is about our safety. And if you decide to slip the hedgehog into the bed by his eternal habit, let them be ready for an answer
  2. gandalf
    gandalf 22 May 2014 08: 24
    +9
    Putin plays chess, and the West has long begun to play "Chapaev" ...
    1. frejaodina
      frejaodina 22 May 2014 09: 28
      +8
      Well, now Russia has every moral right to take a chessboard and hit it on the head of the West
  3. maks-101
    maks-101 22 May 2014 08: 26
    +1
    a complete set of Western democratic society in Ukraine, here is American democracy as they live in the United States, those who are not pleased disappear or die for unknown reasons, 2-3 thousand killed American citizens in 2001. for them trifles, 3-5 million killed in hot spots created by them themselves are trifles who want to live in the most democratic country in the world can go there. century that America.
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 22 May 2014 09: 11
      +4
      That for the United States the victims incurred over time, if there are reasonable grounds for suspicion that the attack with two twin towers, is an operation by US intelligence.
  4. skayl
    skayl 22 May 2014 08: 29
    +1
    Elections will not lead to anything good, except for additional big problems. One must think that the GDP is ready for the next post-election move, in this not an easy party.
  5. mamont5
    mamont5 22 May 2014 08: 46
    +5
    "The presidential elections in Ukraine will be qualified by Russia as a farce, along with the results. How Washington will respond to this, we will not guess ..."

    And what is incomprehensible - the United States will declare the incredible democracy of these elections and wish success to the democratic president P. Poroshenko.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      22 May 2014 10: 21
      0
      What they say is obvious. But the answer will be their actions on Russia's non-recognition of the presidential election.
  6. andj61
    andj61 22 May 2014 08: 54
    +7
    Quote: skayl
    Elections will not lead to anything good, except for additional big problems. One must think that the GDP is ready for the next post-election move, in this not an easy party.

    And what can the election lead to? Considering that it is impossible to restore order in Ukraine without Russia, and for Russia the best option is to have a united and neutral Ukraine, then the winner (Poroshenko!) Has almost one way out: to judge all those who are now in power - and condemn, disown them, investigate ALL deaths of people in connection with the events, agree with the leaders of the armed opposition, conduct federalization and constitutional reform. Federalization is a guarantee of neutral status.
    However, Kiev is not capable of this even after the elections, the Donbass is unlikely to speak with the killers, and the Russian leaders are pushed by the ever-increasing pressure of popular opinion, which DEMANDS to render ANY help to our people in Ukraine, right down to the military. And spit on the opinion of the whole world!
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 22 May 2014 09: 53
      +3
      I don’t know, it seems to me that the point at which it was still possible to create a Federation has already been passed, especially after the Odessa events, referenda in Lugansk and Donetsk.
  7. mig31
    mig31 22 May 2014 09: 02
    +1
    There are so many sacrificial pawns that it looks a little like chess, but like controlled chaos - yes, it looks like it, but the question is: who benefits? ...
  8. Balamyt
    Balamyt 22 May 2014 09: 09
    +2
    Quote: silberwolf88
    The mildest scenario ... the divorce of troops in Ukraine and the deployment of peacekeepers along the border before the formation of the Federation.

    I think that this is not only the mildest, but also the most optimal scenario. The only question is what will be the composition of these same peacekeepers. The outcome of the entire current confrontation will depend on this.
  9. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 22 May 2014 09: 11
    +1
    May 25 is just around the corner, let's see what happens in Ukraine after this date.
  10. bistrov.
    bistrov. 22 May 2014 09: 39
    +12
    It is clear that Akhmetov’s speech the day before yesterday is another move of the Americans. It is interesting that he was promised that he agreed to speak. In all likelihood, this grand thief felt that his throne was shaking under him, so he urgently went over to the side of the junta. These are the oligarchs. Ready. Sell ​​their "mother's mother" for money! Thus, they want to discredit the DPR and LPR, to prove that the people are against them, but do not take into account the referendum on secession from Ukraine. After Akhmetov's speech, the final phase of the ATO was immediately announced , and it is clear why: to try as much as possible to control the districts in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, or at least to announce it. But this is nonsense: presidential elections are taking place, and in the two largest and most important regions with 7 million inhabitants they are not happen! The question immediately arises either about the legitimacy of these elections, or about the actual recognition of the two breakaway republics. The Americans poked the puppet government of Ukraine into this discrepancy. After all, this government without Americans is afraid to cough. I think that no one will allow the troops and armed formations of the illegal government to take under the control of the territory of these republics. Not for that now corridors are being organized on the border with Russia, at least not for the withdrawal of "separatists" as the mouthpiece of the illegal government Timchuk said.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      22 May 2014 10: 25
      0
      But printing the border is serious, Timchyk is bluffing here, this is obvious.
    2. Fin
      Fin 22 May 2014 12: 18
      +1
      Quote: bistrov.
      These are the oligarchs. They are ready to sell their "mother" for money!

      Oligarchs have a "mother's mother" where their money is. And they scared Akhmetka most likely by expropriation of capital.
      Quote: bistrov.
      The question immediately arises of the legitimacy of these elections, or of the actual recognition of the two breakaway republics. The Americans poked the puppet government of Ukraine with their nose into this discrepancy.

      They do not care about this, they admit immediately after the closure of the polling stations without waiting for the count. They need Donbass for the extraction of shale gas, which is immediately pumped into the pipeline and into Europe. Ukrainians offered the Russian Federation payment for gas on the Eastern border, not on the Western one. For us, it seems that they will pay well after the fact, theft is not our problem, but the sale of the Amer. the company, a decrease in the volume of our gas supplies and revenues. In addition, South Stream will be hacked to death. Therefore, they will fight for him "to the last Ukrainian soldier."
  11. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 22 May 2014 09: 52
    +2
    Quote: Athenogen
    Quote: silberwolf88
    The mildest scenario ... the divorce of troops in Ukraine and the deployment of peacekeepers along the border before the formation of the Federation.


    They won’t do this, the Americans need all of Ukraine, and the withdrawal of troops is a recognition of the DPR.

    Although the troops are in the DPR, they are still afraid of the Russian army, they would have fallen for a long time, and Washington wouldn’t allow it, because Putin had withdrawn the troops from the border, motivating him to finish the exercises, doesn’t mean anything, we landed this year at the North Pole, a group, superior in strength to all the security forces of Ukraine, what should we cost to land in Kiev! And yet, Putin is now pursuing a tough gas policy, thanks to which the geyropa is gradually starting to surrender Ukraine!
    1. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 22 May 2014 10: 56
      0
      I agree completely! Now the RUSSIAN Air Force, until May 26th, will be launching rocket launches, bombing, and the best pilots sobrona to participate, so that they can bomb on the junta if that! laughing
  12. Dejavu
    Dejavu 22 May 2014 10: 16
    +4
    The United States is playing rough, aggressive, just like hockey. Putin plays "Politely" - he uses the force of inertia, as in Judo, so that the enemy defeats himself. You just need to "help" him a little.

    Therefore, Vladimir Vladimirovich, God help you in "helping" our enemies to hit their heads on the Ukrainian tatami.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      22 May 2014 10: 27
      0
      And I have the same opinion!
  13. Nikich
    Nikich 22 May 2014 10: 34
    +1
    Quote: Balamyt
    Quote: silberwolf88
    The mildest scenario ... the divorce of troops in Ukraine and the deployment of peacekeepers along the border before the formation of the Federation.

    I think that this is not only the mildest, but also the most optimal scenario. The only question is what will be the composition of these same peacekeepers. The outcome of the entire current confrontation will depend on this.

    They are also different peacekeepers ... Let us recall the peacekeeping contingent in the former Yugoslavia!
  14. ks
    ks 22 May 2014 10: 53
    0
    In order to bring in the troops of the Russian Federation, you need at least one captive mercenary, but it’s better not to see a company yet.
  15. Tektor
    Tektor 22 May 2014 11: 15
    0
    Isn't there a D'Artagnan who can stand up for the honor of the outraged dill? Preferring to walk on May 25 with a bottle of Molotov under the windows of the Central Executive Committee?
  16. wax
    wax 22 May 2014 11: 19
    +3
    Yanukovych has never been an agent of the Kremlin. Rather, he was Washington's agent from the start. It’s just that in the previous elections a situation was created for Yushchenko’s victory, and it was implemented with a normal safety net in the form of Yanukovych in the event of Yushchenko’s re-election, which the Americans did. But the personal factor of Yanukovych worked - he could not lay Ukraine after Putin's arguments, or maybe he deviated from the scenario on his own, wishing to receive money for Ukraine and from Russia simply by postponing the signing of the association and at the same time demanding additional funding from the West. The Americans considered such "independence", rightly by the way, a betrayal, because the Americans, unlike Yanukovych, understood that in case of delay, Putin would outplay the Amers. And Americans don't bother with traitors. They have mastered banditry in interstate relations to perfection. However, the States miscalculated with Crimea, and the whole game turned into an endgame again in a different scenario. Now the task is to annoy Russia as much as possible, to snatch as much as possible in Ukraine, on the understanding that Ukraine will not remain within its old borders.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 22 May 2014 14: 28
      +2
      Yanuk was no one's agent, but was an ordinary prostitute who gave to everyone. We supported him because he was clearly a step east after Yushchenko. Unfortunately, he was the only one who was influential enough to vote for him and the South-East and part of the center. There was no other choice. Moreover, he was supported by Akhmetov, and in elections, money controlled by the media and the ability to bring people from factories and mines of Ahmetka to rallies is a very powerful resource. In general, either Yanuk or the president would be pale with a scythe. Although Tim is also a crush, she’s still the main electorate — the west of Ukraine and relations with the Ukrainians.
  17. komrad.klim
    komrad.klim 22 May 2014 11: 23
    0
    Author: Victor Kamenev ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ =
  18. 3vs
    3vs 22 May 2014 11: 39
    0
    I would not want to recall a song in the 21 century:
    "June XNUMX, exactly four o'clock
    Kiev was bombed, they announced to us that the war had begun ... "
  19. sv68
    sv68 22 May 2014 11: 59
    +1
    ukroina no longer wants to play chess, they get a mate from Russia through a move, and hear a mate through a word wassat
  20. pavel_SPB
    pavel_SPB 22 May 2014 12: 04
    0
    actually jumped.
  21. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 22 May 2014 12: 06
    +5
    Recently, an American political scientist said the following. On the one hand, the United States has made up their minds in Ukraine, and they themselves understand this, on the other hand, they simply cannot afford another geopolitical loss and will be bullied to the end. Another geopolitical loss may turn out to be the last straw that will break the horse ridge and all US leadership will crumble like a house of cards. On the one hand, we ourselves sought this situation in some perspective. On the other hand, what do we need it right now, today? Are we ready for this? Apparently not, and apparently a backstage conspiracy has already taken place.
    Presidential elections in Ukraine cannot be legitimate in any respect; Kiev simply cannot hold them cleanly. But the USA can no longer refuse to hold elections, there is no time, and they themselves announced the elections. What are we observing? Putin has changed the rhetoric, and it seems he is no longer against the elections, he also holds a pause in the issue of assistance to New Russia. What are we expecting? Obama, after summing up the vote, declares them dirty and suggests repeating in December. This means that the United States retains leadership in resolving the Ukrainian issue, selects a new presidential candidate, and carries out constitutional reform. And in the end, we get a federated Ukraine with a significant limitation of Galicia’s ability to influence the internal situation in the country.
    Notice, I just described what happened when the Syrian crisis was resolved. One to one.
  22. Manul49
    Manul49 22 May 2014 12: 35
    +3
    Quote: JIaIIoTb
    Put a minus for "Rashka".

    Join.
  23. value
    value 22 May 2014 14: 37
    0
    Moscow’s return move was unexpected and also made indirectly, through Yanukovych: at the last moment - a few days before the summit in Vilnius! - he suddenly doubted the nuances of "Euro-association",
    And here is the reason why Yanukovych backtracked (the EU owes Ukraine 160 billion euros for renouncing nuclear weapons) The signing of the association will write off all debts.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BfstfORr94&feature=youtu.be
  24. igordok
    igordok 22 May 2014 14: 45
    +1
    The State Department began to play chess as White, and Russia (Putin) is turning the game of chess into checkers, now into giveaways, or even into "soldiers", at its discretion.
  25. Rezpect
    Rezpect 22 May 2014 15: 12
    -9
    Quote: sv68
    ukroina no longer wants to play chess, they get a mate from Russia through a move, and hear a mate through a word wassat

    Rassia is simply enraged that Ukraine wants to at least try to take the right path, which she herself cannot do, because the next president will be Medvedev-then Putin - then Medvedev - then Putin ........ illusion of choice
    1. 311ove
      311ove 22 May 2014 16: 37
      +3
      And decipher what you mean by the phrase "the right way" ... please. Somehow your phrase "smacks of approval" of fascism. Minus is mine.
  26. siberalt
    siberalt 22 May 2014 15: 15
    +1
    When the opponent is strong, I prefer to play black. Learn his tactics faster. It just so happened that the Russians always attacked from defense. Everything will be OK. We survive, do not get used to it.
  27. Arzamas
    Arzamas 22 May 2014 16: 15
    0
    I am waiting for one, when it will be like in the song - "And he once and a knight's move and let's wet the leader with a key!" laughing
  28. uzer 13
    uzer 13 22 May 2014 17: 46
    +2
    We will wait another 2-3 days, after the elections in Ukraine, you can play this little game.
  29. homosum20
    homosum20 22 May 2014 19: 19
    +1
    Here I read the phrase: "It is known that Putin refused to Yanukovych's request for the provision of troops, it was unrealistic ..".
    No, maybe the author knows what I don’t know (doubtful), but what is unreal about that? The lawful President (and commander in chief) asks for help from a neighboring state. What's so unreal? It seems to me that the author himself understands this, therefore he so briefly and categorically covers this aspect of the problem. After all, it’s now clear that it was then that the GDP merged Ukraine (I don’t now point out the questions whether it is good or bad, right or wrong) for Crimea. Everything else is inevitable. It really is like in chess. The grandmaster, making the tenth move, knows what the twenty-second will be. And this move speaks of a conflict scenario that was written in advance.
    1. homosum20
      homosum20 22 May 2014 22: 02
      0
      I would like to ask the minus - what do you disagree with? Because, if you yourself cannot answer this, then the question is for the site administration: and a shot from around the corner in the back is your method of working with dissenting people?
      In general, a person who puts a minus, according to the logic of things, should explain to others - and what is the problem. Otherwise, it is an analogue of majority terror to the minority.
    2. SAG
      SAG 23 May 2014 01: 49
      +1
      As Aunt Sarrra used to say: "Yos thinks smartly!"
      I do not agree only with the wording, leaked Ukraine for the Crimea. Ukraine is at stake in this game, and Crimea is only one of the advantages ... the discharge of Yanukovych !!!!!!!!!! I can list the rest (they are fucked up): the whole world sees Fashington’s deceitful policy, the revival of Russian identity in Ukraine, the financial exhaustion of pindoztan, an increase in one’s own rating (consequence), rallying own citizens, raising energy prices and strengthening the ruble, cooling the hot heads of Russian patriots - radicals (who has a brain to think about where the wind blows), opening the CIA intelligence network and financing channels, clarifying the international situation (who is sitting tight on the US hook, who can jerk, and who don’t catch up with what’s happening), speeding up work on the South flow (there some partners crumpled and were in no hurry to give a move to the construction), etc., etc.
  30. shitovmg
    shitovmg 22 May 2014 20: 59
    +1
    Quote: Athenogen
    They won’t do this, the Americans need all of Ukraine, and the withdrawal of troops is a recognition of the DPR.


    I also think that we need ALL Ukraine !!! Let the Americans smoke aside ...
    1. homosum20
      homosum20 22 May 2014 22: 06
      0
      And I need a summer house. Let everyone else smoke.
      Do you think a summer cottage will appear?
      Ukraine too.
  31. jktu66
    jktu66 22 May 2014 23: 06
    0
    ...in Ukraine.
    As it is correctly indicated - in Ukraine, all my life I have been saying this myself, otherwise they invented b.a.n. derlog - "in Ukraine"
  32. Carlos
    Carlos 23 May 2014 00: 07
    0
    There is no need to guess how Washington will answer: it recognizes and kisses each other. And the current junta is just suicide bombers, they know too much. How they die, no matter, Berezovsky’s example did not teach anything.
  33. Ignatius
    Ignatius 23 May 2014 00: 08
    0
    Quote: Jurkovs
    Presidential elections in Ukraine cannot be legitimate in any respect; Kiev simply cannot hold them cleanly. But the USA can no longer refuse to hold elections, there is no time, and they themselves announced the elections. What are we observing? Putin has changed the rhetoric, and it seems he is no longer against the elections, he also holds a pause in the issue of assistance to New Russia. What are we expecting? Obama, after summing up the vote, declares them dirty and suggests repeating in December. This means that the United States retains leadership in resolving the Ukrainian issue, selects a new presidential candidate, and carries out constitutional reform. And in the end, we get a federated Ukraine with a significant limitation of Galicia’s ability to influence the internal situation in the country.


    Not for nothing that Obamko and his satellite Angela have sincerely been cracking up on the telephone so sincerely and for a long time on the phone lately. Much is at stake - the bidding is serious.
  34. jovanni
    jovanni 23 May 2014 07: 26
    0
    It's unrealistic to play chess with amers. When they see that they are flying by, they immediately pretend to be playing poker. Or in general, in "Chapaya" ...
  35. Lancelot
    Lancelot 23 May 2014 07: 47
    0
    May 22, 2014, at about 13-30 local time, military clashes occurred between units of the Southeast Army and units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the vicinity of the railway station of the city of Rubezhnoye. As a result of an intense battle, there are losses on both sides.
    On the part of the Southeast Army, 3 people died (surnames and names are being specified). The guys arrived for reinforcements from Stakhanov. Also, 8 people were injured of varying severity.
    On the part of the enemy, about 400 units of manpower took part in the clashes (people who are “stoned” by freaks who openly kill civilians, I have no moral right), armored vehicles and helicopters.
    The loss of the enemy, the troops of the great and mighty Ukrainians (as they consider themselves in their media) amounts to several dozen killed and more than fifty wounded. (it was not possible to calculate the exact number, as they have not yet provided the exact data received by the hospitals in the cities of Rubezhnoye and Kremennaya).
    Also, the forces of the South-East Army captured 5 armored personnel carriers, in full gear, shot down 2 Mi-24 helicopters from the PZRP captured by the captured Urals with military equipment and a fuel truck.

    Great damage done to civilians. The fighters of the so-called Ukrainian armed forces did not shy from hiding behind civilians, as well as firing mortar and artillery fire on civil buildings and administrative buildings, as a result of which the building of the railway station of the city of Rubezhnoye was seriously destroyed and damaged. There are killed and wounded among the civilian population ....
    ETERNAL MEMORY OF THE DIED DEFENDERS OF DONBASS .......

    Press Service of the Army Southeast Severodonetsk