Tank destroyers

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Since the moment tanks on the battlefield during the First World War, field artillery became the main means of fighting them. Special anti-tank artillery systems appeared much later. They entered service with the armies only in the thirties. These were quick-firing guns of caliber 20-47 mm. The low silhouette made it easy to camouflage them on the ground, and having a combat weight in the range of 300-500 kg, they were quite maneuverable in battles. Transportation of guns was carried out using mechanical and horse traction.

At the beginning of the Second World War, tanks with anti-missile booking appeared. Therefore, the former small-caliber guns have become ineffective. Then the calibers of guns began to grow: 75, 76, 88, 100 mm! Increased and the initial velocity of the shells. At the same time, their combat weight increased significantly: 1,5-4 tons, so the gun with great difficulty towed and camouflaged on rough terrain. The logical step was the creation of the installation of anti-tank guns on self-propelled tracked chassis. This was first done in the 1940 year, when an 1-mm cannon was installed on the basis of the outdated German light tank T-47. In 1941, we produced a small amount of 57-mm cannons on the chassis of the Komsomolets tracked tractor. These were light or not fully armored vehicles. In 1942, a large number of 75-76 mm anti-tank installations appeared in various armies of the warring countries on the basis of tanks or obsolete captured vehicles that were being discontinued. SU-76, produced from the end of 1942, turned out to be ours. The Germans had 75- and 76-mm SU on the basis of T-II, 38 (t) and other tanks; the British 76-mm "Archer" on the basis of the tank "Valentine", etc. All of these lightly and partially armored, open top and rear self-propelled guns had a small angle of horizontal aiming of the gun.

However, anti-tank missiles were needed, capable of accompanying the tanks in battle, supporting them with fire and repelling the attacks of enemy tanks. Therefore, it was necessary to create combat vehicles with full anti-missile booking. They were built on the basis of major manufactured tanks, and instead of the turret, the SU had a fixed military cabin, in the frontal sheet of which a powerful 75-100 mm caliber cannon with a limited pickup angle was installed. In terms of booking and maneuverability, they were not inferior to the base tank vehicles and, as a rule, were better than the artillery systems.

In preparation for the summer offensive, Hitler's command relied on new heavy tanks and self-propelled units. The latter included the tank destroyer Elephant, also known as Ferdinand. This machine was created on the basis of an experimental heavy tank designed by F. Porsche that was not adopted by the German army. The fact is that, not awaiting the results of tests of new heavy machines, the Nibelungen company manufactured the Porsche 90 tank chassis. After the military department rejected this tank, it was decided to use the existing chassis for an anti-tank SS capable of fighting our T-34 and HF. To do this, in front of the former tank, which has now become the stern, they built a fully booked wheelhouse, where they installed a new 88-mm gun with a 71 caliber. Her piercing projectile (initial speed IZO m / s) pierced with 1000 m at right angles armor with a thickness of about 200 mm. "Elephant" in accordance with the plan of F. Porsche had electric transmission: on the shafts of two of its engines were electric generators, producing electric current. He fed the electric motors that set in motion the driving wheels of the car. Four crew members served gun. The driver and radio operator were located in front of the car.

"Elephanta" in the two battalions of tank destroyers were thrown into battle on the north face of the Kursk Bulge (July 1943 of the year). They were very dangerous opponents of tanks in battles from long distances, but proved to be extremely vulnerable in close combat. These sedentary machines did not even have a machine gun; only at the end of 1943, it was installed on the remaining machines in the frontal part of their hull.

The response of our designers to the new German tanks was the SU-85, designed under the direction of L. I. Gorlitsky on the basis of the medium tank T-34. She entered service in August 1943. An 85-mm gun was mounted on it in a strongly inclined frontal sheet, which, according to its ballistic characteristics, did not differ from the one that was later used on the T-34-85. The fully armored vehicle, which retained the running and maneuverability characteristics of the T-34, became an important means of fighting the enemy’s tanks and directly supporting their tanks and infantry. At the end of 1944, it was replaced by a new SU-100 (see "TM" No. 12, 1970), which differed from the previous more powerful artillery system (its armor-piercing projectile with 1000 and pierced 160-mm armor) and the commander's turret.

In an effort to create a massive, lightweight and cheap tank destroyer, the German command in 1943 decided to use the base of an outdated 38 (t) tank for this purpose. Production of the self-propelled gun "Hetzer" began in April 1944 year and continued until the end of the war. A total of about 2600 units were produced. The Hetzer had a low hull with large angles of inclination of the front, side and stern armor plates. Engine power has been increased, and the chassis has been enhanced compared to the base machine. Thanks to the successful design solutions embedded in 38 (t), the Hetzer retained good mobility, although it turned out to be too heavy.

The American tank destroyers created in 1942-1944 were somewhat different in design features. They had the main armament installed in a fully rotating turret without roofs. These are, for example, the M10, armed with a 76-mm cannon, and the M36 with a 90-mm cannon. They were created on the basis of the tank M4 "Sherman" with a slightly modified body armor. Their combat weight was respectively 29 and 27 t, the crew - 5 people. Built them were 6700 and 1300 pieces.

More interesting was the MX Witch M18 SU, produced by Buick with 1943 (built by 2500) on a specially developed base. Her body was welded from rolled armor plates. Individual suspension, torsion bar. The air cooling engine and power transmission unit were mounted on a special frame, so that they could be easily removed from the case for replacement or repair. М18 was in service with the American army until the end of the war.


German SU "Elephant". Combat weight - 68 T. Crew - 6 people. Armament - one 88-mm gun. The thickness of the armor: the forehead of the hull and deckhouse is 200 mm, the side is 80 mm. Engines - two "Maybach" HL 120 TRM by 300 hp Max. speed - 20 km / h. Cruising on the highway - 180 km.


Soviet SU-85 self-propelled unit. Combat weight - 30 T. Crew - 4 people. Armament - one 85-mm gun. Armor thickness: forehead and hull bead - 45 mm. Engine - B-2-34, 500 l. with. Max. speed - 55 km / h. Power reserve software highway - 300 km.


German SU "Hetzer". Combat weight - 16 T. Crew - 4 people. Armament - one 75-mm gun. Armor thickness: body forehead - 60 mm, board - 20 mm. Engine - "Prague" AC / 2, 160 hp Max. speed - 42 km / h. Cruising on the highway - 180 km.


Soviet self-propelled gun SU-100 sample 1944g. Crew - 4 man, Combat weight - 31,6 t, Length (with gun) - 9,45 m, Hull length - 6,1 m, Width - 3,00 m, Height - 2.245 m, Armament - one 100-mm gun, Booking - forehead, side and feed - 45 mm, bottom - 20 mm, Engine diesel B-2-34M, powerful. 500 hp Speed ​​on the highway - 50 km / h, Cruising on the highway. . . 240-320 km.

Tank destroyers

American SU M18. Combat weight - 17. Crew - 5 people. Armament - one 76,2-mm cannon, one 12,7-mm anti-aircraft gun. Armor thickness: forehead and hull bead - 13 mm, tower - 51 mm. Engine - Continental R - 975, HP 400 Max. speed - 72 km / h. Cruising on the highway - 360 km.
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  1. denisco
    +10
    7 September 2013 10: 08
    the insertion of a video that starts to play itself ... at the bottom of the page - it seems to me beyond. respect the reader, do not force to block everything on the page
    1. +3
      7 September 2013 10: 59
      Yes ... sometimes enrages. Today I got up in the morning ... silence in the house .. everyone is sleeping. I made a cup of coffee ... did exercises ... sat down to read articles on the site ... and forgot to turn off the columns ... everyone woke up)))
      1. +1
        7 September 2013 11: 38
        Changed the video on youtube
        1. 0
          7 September 2013 11: 43
          Quote: fantast
          Changed the video on youtube

          hi Thank you!
      2. +3
        7 September 2013 22: 54
        Quote: il grand casino
        Brewed a cup of coffee ... did exercises

        What kind of coffee? laughing
        1. +1
          7 September 2013 23: 58
          Coffee banal Jacobs ... mocha in Turk))
  2. smiths xnumx
    +3
    7 September 2013 12: 16
    A self-propelled installation based on the MZAZ tank, armed with a German 75-mm anti-tank gun. 1st Yugoslav Tank Brigade, Trieste, 1945.

    47-mm anti-tank self-propelled gun Panzeryagre 1 on the PzKpfw I Ausf chassis. In with a Czech 47 mm anti-tank gun
    1. +7
      7 September 2013 12: 30
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  3. +6
    7 September 2013 12: 24
    The SU-76 was not a tank destroyer; it was an "artillery assault" intended for infantry fire support.
    Unfortunately, the article does not mention the Jagdpanther and Jagdpanzer IV with the L70 panther gun.
    1. +4
      7 September 2013 12: 29
      Quote: Bongo
      Unfortunately, the article does not mention Yagdpanther

      But her photo opens the article.
      1. +4
        7 September 2013 13: 19
        It would be worth more about them. interesting cars.
    2. +5
      7 September 2013 12: 35
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      1. +3
        7 September 2013 14: 15
        How many have already been said and written about the lack of machine guns at the Elephant and what a huge disadvantage it was, but our Sushki, ISUshki did not have them either, and unlike the "German" they never appeared there.
  4. +3
    7 September 2013 13: 11
    On photo:

    British soldiers look at holes in the frontal armor of the German StuG III ausf G. This self-propelled gun (presumably from the 907 assault guns team - Stg.Brig.907) was hit by artillerymen of the 64 anti-tank regiment (64th Anti Tank Regiment) in the area Aquino (Aquino) on the line of Hitler 18 May 1944 year.
  5. +2
    7 September 2013 13: 13
    On photo:

    American M7 Priest self-propelled howitzer (105 mm HMC M7) at a position near Riboville, France. 9 December 1944 year.
  6. +4
    7 September 2013 13: 15
    On photo:

    Soviet soldiers walk past a German improvised self-propelled guns hit in the vicinity of Smolyak village on the basis of the captured T-20 Komsomolets Soviet tractor. The Germans installed a PaK 37 cannon on the 36 tractor. Erzats-self-propelled guns received the designation “3.7cm PaK auf gep Artillerie Schlepper 630 (r)”, information on the number of vehicles built was not preserved.
    1. +3
      8 September 2013 01: 31
      SU-6 (T-26 + 76,2 mm anti-aircraft gun arr. 1931.)
  7. +3
    7 September 2013 13: 17
    On photo:

    Finnish BT-42 self-propelled assault gun in Petrozavodsk. Registration number of the R-705 vehicle from the 1th assault gun battalion (1./Ryp.Tyk.P.).
    Self-propelled guns made on the basis of the captured Soviet tank BT-7. The self-propelled guns used the British 4,5-inch (114-mm) field howitzer of the 1909-1917 model (the English designation is Ordnance QF4.5 inch Howitzer, the Finnish one is 114 H / 18). In total, 18 units of armored vehicles were converted into self-propelled guns.
  8. +2
    7 September 2013 13: 18
    On photo:

    The Belgian light anti-tank self-propelled artillery unit autocanon Т13B3 abandoned on Liège Street.
    The self-propelled gun was created on the basis of the English artillery tractor Light Dragon Mk IIc.
  9. +3
    7 September 2013 13: 21
    On photo:

    Non-commissioned officer Helmut Kohlke of the 561th Wehrmacht tank fighter brigade (Panzerjäger-Abteilung 561) with crew on its Marder II self-propelled guns (Sd.Kfz.131).
  10. +1
    7 September 2013 13: 22
    On photo:

    SPG M36 "Jackson" (90mm GMC M36) 703-th battalion of US tank destroyers in the suburbs of Verbomon, Belgium.
  11. +1
    7 September 2013 13: 23
    On photo:

    Japanese 75-mm self-propelled guns Type 1 "Ho-Ni" captured by units of the 37-th US Infantry Division in Aritao, Philippines. 6 April 1945 year.
  12. +2
    7 September 2013 13: 25
    On photo:

    Soldiers of the Westmister Regiment of the 5th Canadian Tank Brigade (Westminster Regiment, 5th Canadian Armored Brigade) in the combat compartment of the German Nashorn self-propelled guns (Sd.Kfz. 164 "Nashorn"), shot down from the PIAT anti-tank grenade launcher on the street of the Italian village P Pontecorvo).
  13. +2
    7 September 2013 13: 27
    On photo:

    The American M18 Hellcat self-propelled guns (76mm GMC M18 Hellcat) from the 827-th tank destroyer battalion, arrived in the 12-th US tank division in Sarrebourg, France.
  14. +2
    7 September 2013 13: 30
    On photo:

    The German 105-mm Vespe self-propelled gun (Sd.Kfz.124 Wespe) from the 74-th self-propelled artillery regiment of the 2-th Wehrmacht tank division, passes next to the abandoned Soviet 76-mm gun ZIS-3 in the city of Oryol. German offensive operation "Citadel".
  15. +1
    7 September 2013 13: 31
    On the picture?

    Semovente da 90 / 53 Semivente Italian self-propelled guns with 90-mm anti-aircraft gun captured by allies in Sicily.
  16. +1
    7 September 2013 13: 32
    On photo:

    An experimental 248-mm (9,75 inch) self-propelled mortar on the chassis of the American M7 Priest self-propelled gun during a demonstration to units of the 7 American Army in France.
  17. +2
    7 September 2013 13: 34
    On photo:

    Semovente M.40 da 75 / 18 Italian self-propelled artillery mount based on the Fiat M13 / 40 tank near El Alamein. Shells for the Italian 75 mm divisional howitzer gun Obice da 75 / 18, which is equipped with self-propelled guns, are displayed on the left wing for demonstration.
  18. +4
    7 September 2013 13: 37
    On photo:

    US military 9-th army inspect the German self-propelled gun "Sturmtiger», captured in the area of ​​Minden (Minden), Germany.
    In the foreground is the ruined body of the 380-mm high-explosive rocket.
  19. +2
    7 September 2013 13: 41
    On photo:

    88-mm heavy anti-tank self-propelled gun “Hornisse” (Hornet) with its own name “Puma” (Puma). Belongs to the 519 fighter tank division. Belarus, the region of Vitebsk.
    From January 27 to 1944, the Hornissa began to be designated Nashorn (Rhinoceros).
  20. +2
    7 September 2013 13: 42
    On photo:

    German self-propelled guns siG 33 (sf) based on Pz.Kpfw. I Ausf. B ("Bison"), tactical number 704, from the 5-th tank division of the Wehrmacht at a firing position in the suburbs.
  21. +4
    7 September 2013 13: 43
    On photo:

    SPG ZiS-30 (57-mm anti-tank gun ZiS-2 based on the artillery tractor A-20 "Komsomolets") at the firing position. Despite the decisive posture of the calculation, the self-propelled guns will not shoot: openers at the rear of the machine, lowered when firing, are raised. In this position, it is impossible to fire, because when fired, the gun has a strong recoil.
  22. +2
    7 September 2013 13: 44
    On photo:

    Captured by a working 150-mm self-propelled gun siG 33 (sf) based on the tank Pz.I Ausf B (self-propelled guns "Bison"). Western front.
    1. +5
      7 September 2013 14: 56
      Well, you already knead all Sushki in a heap. But all the same, PT.
      1. +2
        7 September 2013 16: 39
        Quote: Kars
        Well, you already knead all Sushki in a heap. But all the same, PT.


        Entered into a rage, I decided to post everything interesting. winked
        1. Mature naturalist
          +2
          8 September 2013 17: 36
          "How not to stop the running buffalo, not to stop the singing Kobzon". Joke.
          Thank you for the photo, very informative.
  23. +3
    7 September 2013 13: 45
    On photo:

    Heavy German 15-cm self-propelled guns Sd.Kfz. 135 / 1 based on the French tractor "Laurent", captured by the Allies in North Africa.
    Over the years of the war, the Germans made 94 of these self-propelled guns.
  24. +2
    7 September 2013 13: 47
    On photo:

    German experimental self-propelled guns Sturer Emil (Selbstfahrlafette V) at the Kummersdorf test site.The machine was based on the Henschel Panzer IV prototype - VK3001 (H). The main armament was the 128-mm PaK 40 L / 61 gun, which was in X developed on the basis of the 1939-mm FlaK 128 anti-aircraft gun. From August 40 to March 1941 of the year, Rheinmetall-Borsig and Henschel produced two prototypes that passed combat tests in the USSR in the middle of the 1942 year. The prototypes showed good results, but the project was closed because Tiger tank production was recognized as a priority. Of the prototypes (from the 1942-th tank division) was destroyed in battle, and the second (which had by that time 2 marks for destroyed targets) was captured by the Red Army in the winter of 22 and was part of trophy weapons put up for public display in 1943 and 1943 Today he can be seen in the exposition of the Museum of Armored Forces in Kubinka.
  25. +3
    7 September 2013 13: 51
    On photo:

    German self-propelled guns Sturmpanzer IV from the 216th assault gun battalion (Sturmpanzerabteilung 216), built on the basis of the medium tank PzKpfw IV, also known as "Brummbär" (grizzly). In the Soviet troops they called her “Bear”. Armed with an 150 mm StuH 43 howitzer.
  26. +3
    7 September 2013 13: 54
    On photo:

    Experimental French SPG SAu 40 based on the Somua S35 tank. The abandoned SAu 40 has either artisanal or unfinished camouflage.
    SAu 40 was developed by SOMUA in 1935 — 1937. The self-propelled guns had a mle.75 cannon and a single turret with an 1929-mm machine gun in the front of the 7,5 case.
    The first SAu 40 prototype on the S40 chassis (S35 modification) was assembled in the 1937 year, but the gun was only ready for the 1939 year. The serial production order for SAu 40 was issued in October 1939, however, the number of self-propelled guns issued is unknown. The prototype and, according to some reports, up to four copies of the SAu 40 were sent to the front in June of the 1940 year and were used in hostilities.
  27. +3
    7 September 2013 13: 56
    On photo:

    Hungarian self-propelled artillery "Zrinyi" (Zrínyi). It was created in the 1942 — 1943 years on the basis of the Turan tank, modeled on the German self-propelled gun StuG III. In 1943 — 1944, 66 machines were produced.
  28. +2
    7 September 2013 13: 57
    On photo:

    SPG Marder II with a captured Soviet gun (full name 7,62 cm PaK (r) auf PzKpfw ll Ausf D Marder II (SdKfz 132).
    On December 20 of 1941, Alkett received an order for the installation of a captured Soviet division gun F-22 mod. 1936 of the year on the chassis of the light German tank PzKpfw ll Ausf D. The F-22 gun was captured in large quantities by the Wehrmacht in the first weeks of the war against the USSR and modernized by the Germans: in particular, a muzzle brake was introduced. For her in Germany, the production of ammunition was established. The 76-mm armor-piercing projectile Pzgr 39 left the barrel of this gun at a speed of 740 m / s and at a distance of 1000 m penetrated 82-mm armor.
    Marder II was also produced with the German 75 mm Pak 40 gun.
    1. +5
      7 September 2013 23: 07
      Quote: Karlsonn
      The F-22 gun was captured in large numbers by the Wehrmacht in the first weeks of the war against the USSR and modernized by the Germans: in particular, a muzzle brake was introduced.

      The aiming arms vertically and horizontally have shifted to one side.
      1. +2
        7 September 2013 23: 27
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        The aiming arms vertically and horizontally have shifted to one side.

        In 1941-1942, German troops captured a significant number (up to 1300) of Soviet 76-mm division guns arr. 1936 (F-22) [source not specified 455 days]. The gun had a large margin of safety, but its use as an anti-tank was difficult. At the end of 1941, German engineers developed a project to upgrade the guns with the goal of turning it into an anti-tank gun. The modernization included the following activities:
        Boring chambers for shooting a more powerful charge. The Soviet sleeve had a length of 385,3 mm and the diameter of the flange 90 mm, the new German sleeve had a length of 715 mm with a diameter of the flange 100 mm. The volume of the propellant charge increased 2,4 times.
        Installing a muzzle brake to reduce increased recoil force.
        Moving the handles of the gun guidance drives on one side with a sight.
        Decrease in elevation (from 75 ° to 18 °).
        Modernization of recoil devices, in particular, disabling the variable rollback mechanism.
        Installing a new reduced height shield
        Creating a new ammunition
        The alteration of the guns was very economically advantageous; its cost was only a few percent of the cost of the new gun.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pak_36(r)
        1. +4
          7 September 2013 23: 39
          Quote: Normal
          Boring chambers for shooting a more powerful charge. The Soviet sleeve had a length of 385,3 mm and the diameter of the flange 90 mm, the new German sleeve had a length of 715 mm with a diameter of the flange 100 mm. The volume of the propellant charge increased 2,4 times.

          To this day, this information bothers me - a lot of regular ammunition under the F-22 was captured. And you must agree, to squander the chamber from under 385,3 mm under 715 mm.... ??? Grabin was a genius, but he could not leave almost half a meter "in reserve", or for the sake of strength characteristics.
          But how about the captured T-34, also bored?
          1. +4
            8 September 2013 00: 14
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            To this day, this newsletter bothers me - a lot of regular ammunition under the F-22 was captured.

            The F-22 is a universal gun, and the Germans made it anti-tank. Shells for a universal 76 mm cannon they did not need. The Germans had 7,5 cm. An infantry gun for working on wood-earth fortifications and infantry, and excellent anti-aircraft guns. Specialization. A universal gun and the same universal ammunition always lose a special one.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            And you must agree, to squander the chamber from under 385,3 mm under 715 mm .... ???

            Nothing wrong. An excessive safety margin was laid in the F-22 (versatile person) Yes, and the fighting life of an anti-tank gun is much shorter than that of a division gun. Therefore, it was possible to sacrifice a resource for the sake of increasing the charge power.
            Quote: stalkerwalker

            But how about the captured T-34, also bored?

            The F-34 tank gun stood on the T-34. The layout and volume of the tank tower dictate its conditions and the tank gun cannot be executed in the same dimensions and with the same margin of safety as the divisional one. In the F-34, there was probably no margin for boring. In addition, the T-34 tower with the F-34 gun was very cramped and double. Working in a limited turret volume with a long Pak-36 (r) projectile (nearly a meter) is not very convenient, if at all possible.
            1. +4
              8 September 2013 00: 20
              Quote: Normal
              Shells for the universal 76 mm universal cannon were useless to them. The Germans had 7,5 see an infantry gun for working on wood-earthen mounts and infantry and excellent anti-aircraft guns.

              And to create a separate production of ammunition for the "alien" Wehrmacht 76,2 mm caliber? It was clear that the phenomenon was temporary.
              1. +3
                8 September 2013 00: 32
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                And to create a separate production of ammunition for the "alien" Wehrmacht 76,2 mm caliber?

                So, after all, Hitler’s headquarters are laughing Everyone knows that.
                And yet
                Ammunition 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r) consisted of German shots with high-explosive, armor-piercing caliber and cumulative shells. The Germans did not have a caliber
                7,62 cm, and Pak 36 (r) shells did not fit the German 7,5-cm guns, but these shells could be fired from other captured Soviet 76-mm guns.
                Some domestic "experts" claim that the Germans fired the Pak 36 (r) with captured Soviet shells. It was physically impossible to do this, since the Soviet cartridge would dangle in the Pak 36 (r) chamber. *

                Converted F-22 with a new ammunition to the top 1942g. became the best German anti-tank gun, and in principle can be considered the best anti-tank gun in the world. Here is just one example: 22 July 1942g. in the battle of El Alamein (Egypt), the calculation of the grenadier G. Halm from the 104 Grenadier Regiment with shots from Pak 36 (r) within a few minutes destroyed nine British tanks.

                The conversion of the not very successful divisional cannon into an excellent anti-tank gun was not the result of the ingenious thinking of German designers, it was just that the Germans followed common sense. The same V.G. Grabin named after him by many of our other designers back in 1935. They suggested installing a muzzle brake on the F-22, increasing the chamber, introducing a new, heavier projectile, decreasing the elevation angle, etc. At the landfills, guns with a muzzle brake and a larger chamber were successfully tested. But the deputy commissar of defense M.N. Tukhachevsky and his henchmen in the GAU (later convicted of wrecking) stood to death for the cartridge case of 1900 and for universality
                F-22. **
                The leadership of GAU even considered the issue of launching the production of Pak 36 (r). But Grabin refused, because he designed already more powerful systems.

                In 1942 the Germans converted 358 F-22 units into 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r), in 1943 - another 169 and in 1944 - 33. The mass production of ammunition was also launched.

                Production of shots to 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r). (thousand pieces)

                High explosive
                1942 ____ 769,4
                1943 ____ 1071,3
                1944 ____ 957,7
                Armor-piercing and cumulative
                1942 ____ 359,4
                1943 ____ 597,3
                1944 ____ 437,3

                Not only the F-22 divisional cannon became a German trophy, but also its major modernization - the 76-mm F-22 USV (arr. 1936) *** the Germans used it in its original form as a field gun called 7,62 cm FR297 r). Small number of guns
                The F-22 SPM was converted into anti-tank guns, dubbed 7,62 cm Pak 39 (r). The gun received a muzzle brake, as a result of which its barrel length increased from 3200 to 34800. The camora was bored and shots could be fired from it from 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r), the weight of the gun increased from 1485 to 1610 kg. 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r).
                By March 1945 the Wehrmacht had only 165 converted trophy anti-tank guns Pak 36 (r) and Pak 39 (r).

                A. Shirokorad. 'God of War of the Third Reich'
                1. +2
                  8 September 2013 00: 40
                  Quote: Normal
                  Shells Pak 36 (r) did not fit German guns of 7,5 cm caliber, but these shells could be fired from other captured Soviet 76-mm guns.

                  Thank you! hi
                  The father, who commanded the ZiS-3 calculation, said that they tried to shoot German 7,5 cm with shells - the hits were clearly inaccurate.
                2. Yemelya
                  +3
                  8 September 2013 16: 39
                  Quote: Normal
                  Shells Pak 36 (r) did not fit German guns of 7,5 cm caliber, but these shells could be fired from other captured Soviet 76-mm guns.


                  I didn’t understand here.

                  For these shells, the F-22 chamber had to be bored, as then they could be fired from guns created under the armament shell. 1902 request

                  Before the creation of PaK-36 (r), the Germans conducted tests, according to the results of which it was found out that only F-22 and F-22USV of release until 1941 fit F-22USV of release after the summer of 1941, F-22USV- BR, ZiS-22 and ZiS-3 for these purposes did not fit - it burst the chamber.
              2. Yemelya
                0
                8 September 2013 16: 41
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                And to create a separate production of ammunition for the "alien" Wehrmacht 76,2 mm caliber? It was clear that the phenomenon was temporary.


                Quickly worked.
              3. Yemelya
                0
                8 September 2013 16: 49
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                And to create a separate production of ammunition for the "alien" Wehrmacht 76,2 mm caliber? It was clear that the phenomenon was temporary.


                There is another question, where they were produced. The Germans could get equipment Soviet equipment for the production of ammunition for divisions or anti-aircraft guns, and maybe even workers.
                1. +3
                  9 September 2013 00: 30
                  Quote: Emelya
                  There is another question, where they were produced. The Germans could get equipment Soviet equipment for the production of ammunition for divisions or anti-aircraft guns, and maybe even workers.

                  Hardly.
                  Good friends-Czechs probably helped. As well as the driver mechanics delivered to Panzervaffen for reference.
          2. Yemelya
            +1
            8 September 2013 16: 55
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            But how about the captured T-34, also bored?


            There is no such information.

            The question is interesting. F-32 and F-34 were also based on the F-22. But, apparently, during the alteration to the tank, changes were made that prevented the alteration. Although, maybe they just didn’t bother because of the not too large number of T-34s in the Wehrmacht.

            The situation would be shameful for us: in 1942, the German T-34 and KV were not only with commander's turrets, but also with more powerful guns.
            1. +3
              9 September 2013 00: 36
              Quote: Emelya
              The situation would be shameful for us: in 1942, the German T-34 and KV were not only with commander's turrets, but also with more powerful guns.

              Don't be so harsh ...
              The whole Europe worked with the Wehrmacht, with all its powers still unbroken.
              Dmitry Malyshev, after whom both the plant in Kharkov and the metro station are named, accomplished more than a feat by evacuating the plant beyond the Urals, and literally "off the wheels", in an open field, was able not only to double (as I. Stalin ASKED) the number of produced by the T-34, and even triple.
            2. +1
              9 September 2013 00: 53
              Quote: Emelya
              The question is interesting. Ф-32 and Ф-34 were also based on Ф-22.
              As far as I can remember in Grabin's memoirs, it was written that the F32 was created on the basis of the F22USV, and this weapon did not have the ability to "bore", since its chamber part was designed for a "French" sleeve, in contrast to the F22, on which the chamber part was designed for a larger sleeve, but was bored under the "French" ... so historically.
  29. +2
    7 September 2013 13: 58
    On photo:

    Soviet soldiers inspect the German heavy self-propelled artillery installation of the tank destroyer class Ferdinand that was hit during the Battle of Kursk. The photo is also interesting with the rare steel helmet SSH-1943 for the 36 year on the soldier on the left.
  30. +6
    7 September 2013 14: 01
    On photo:

    Soviet self-propelled guns ISU-122s on one of the streets of the city of Sobeslav in Czechoslovakia. The inscription on the self-propelled gun - "We are Russian, we won" and "Glory to the Soviet gunners!".
  31. +1
    7 September 2013 15: 03
    On photo:

    Soviet self-propelled artillery SU-152 at a firing position. Western front.
  32. +1
    7 September 2013 15: 04
    On photo:

    Soviet self-propelled artillery SU-76M in Vienna, Austria.
    1. smiths xnumx
      +4
      7 September 2013 15: 44
      Thank you very much dear Alexei, for such detailed photographs, but let me insert my 5 cents:
      Rumyeskaya anti-tank SU "Maresul" ("Marshal") with the installation of a light anti-tank gun of the German RaK 40 type. The new prototype M-04 inherited the old chassis, but received the engine from the Hotchkiss H-39 light tank, the 75-mm anti-tank gun Resita M1943 and more streamlined armored hull, like the German "Hetzer".



      TACAM T-60 (rum. Tun Anticar pe Afet Mobil, Self-propelled anti-tank gun T-60) - Romanian anti-tank self-propelled guns from the Second World War, created on the basis of captured Soviet tanks T-60. A total of 34 self-propelled guns were fired during the entire war, of which 16 were transported to the 61st artillery battery (1st Romanian regiment), and 18 went to the 62nd artillery battery (2nd Romanian regiment). Together they took part in the defense of the positions during the offensive of the Soviet troops. The fate of the cars remains unknown after the return of King Mihai, however, they were probably transported to the USSR.
      1. +3
        7 September 2013 16: 45
        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        Many thanks dear Alexey, for such detailed photographs


        Always please, I'm glad I liked it (although as I was rightly noticed, I mixed everything in a bunch - I got carried away). hi


        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        Rumyeskaya anti-tank SU "Maresul" ("Marshal")


        but I thought what other interesting self-propelled guns I forgot. laughing drinks
        1. +3
          8 September 2013 02: 56
          Once such a booze went with self-propelled guns. drinks Not a branch, but a photo gallery laughing
          I will also add a little.
          1. African "Diana"
        2. +1
          8 September 2013 03: 00
          2. "Bunkerflack" Guderian
        3. 0
          8 September 2013 03: 02
          3. Various self-propelled guns based on French tanks and tractors.
          Self-propelled guns based on R35 with a 47-mm Czech anti-tank gun (L / 43.4)
  33. -2
    7 September 2013 15: 54
    The article was written by a schoolboy who played in WOT. As I understand it, "horse people mixed up in a bunch."
    How can the Su-100 be compared for the same Hetzer. The Germans had vehicles of this class designed to support infantry units - a sort of cheap analogue of medium tanks. In our country, 100k and above were more tank destroyers for good reason the 152nd were called St. John's wort.
    Why such a machine as stugIII is not indicated in the article is not known at all, given that during the war about 9 thousand were produced.
    1. +11
      7 September 2013 16: 00
      Quote: gallville
      How can you compare the intended purpose of the Su-100 and the same Hetzer. The Germans designed cars of this class

      Well, inappropriately - a hatzer is exactly an anti-tank sau. You can be confused with the Shtugs.
      Quote: gallville
      . In our country, 100s and above were more tank destroyers not for nothing that 152s were called St. John's wort.

      Weaving is a PT, but 152 is an attack self-propelled gun, and St. John's wort was simply because there was nothing in 1943 against the Tigers and Panthers.
      1. +1
        7 September 2013 16: 46
        Quote: Kars
        Well, inappropriately - a hatzer is exactly an anti-tank sau. You can be confused with the Shtugs.


        Touche!
    2. +5
      7 September 2013 16: 00
      In general, I agree with you, but the domestic heavy self-propelled guns of caliber 152-mm were created completely for other tasks. As anti-tank ones, they were ineffective for reasons of low rate of fire (1,5 rate / min), insufficient mobility and inappropriate ballistics for tasks of VET.
      1. 0
        7 September 2013 17: 44
        Why are VET useless? They fired stupidly with HE shells, and one hit was enough for the Tiger and Panther.
        1. +4
          7 September 2013 18: 43
          Quote: Snoop
          Why are VET useless?


          Nobody even says that they are useless, the SU-152 is simply intended for another, the tasks for this vehicle were fire support for the advancing tanks and infantry, the goal was to destroy the pillboxes, and its successful use in the summer of 1943 in the battle on the Kursk Bulge, where she proved herself as an effective fighter of new heavy German tanks and self-propelled guns is what --- so her fate has developed.

          But the ISU-152 - "St. John's Wort" has already successfully combined three main combat roles: a heavy assault gun, a tank destroyer and a self-propelled howitzer.
          Although it must be admitted that in each of these roles, as a rule, there was a different, more specialized self-propelled gun with better characteristics for its category than the ISU-152.
          1. +2
            8 September 2013 03: 19
            Quote: Karlsonn
            the SU-152 was just designed for another, the tasks for this vehicle were fire support for advancing tanks and infantry


            Quote: Karlsonn
            But the ISU-152 - "St. John's Wort" has already successfully combined three main combat roles: a heavy assault gun, a tank destroyer and a self-propelled howitzer

            I did not understand a bit about "But the ISU-152".
            The differences were in the base and stronger ISU-152 armor. The gun is the same ML-20S. And the tasks are the same as for the SU-152. And the PT role "side effect" laughing hi
        2. +2
          1 February 2014 00: 02
          Quote: Snoop
          Why are VET useless? They fired stupidly with HE shells, and one hit was enough for the Tiger and Panther.
          There is the concept of "intended" and "applicable". SU-152 is INTENDED for solving problems of heavy artillery, namely - assault on the front edge of enemy defenses with all the ensuing "delights" (pillboxes, bunkers, other fortifications). But at the same time, the power of even the HE shell and the muzzle energy of the gun was quite enough (and for some, even with a margin) to solve anti-tank defense problems. In the end, the anti-aircraft gun (both for us and for the Germans) was originally intended for air defense missions, but it was successfully used for anti-aircraft defense. It does not interfere. Something like this.
          1. +3
            1 February 2014 03: 01
            There is such a cost-effectiveness criterion, with the same success you can shoot at tanks from 203-mm howitzers, they can also "be used".
      2. +1
        7 September 2013 21: 45
        Quote: Bongo
        and unsuitable ballistics for VET tasks.


        Nevertheless, with proper use, the effect was amazing - that's why they were nicknamed "St. John's wort". One drawback is small ammunition.

        Karlsonn, thanks for the selection of self-propelled guns.

        PS: A little off topic, BUT does anyone have a good (detailed) selection on combat use of the Yak-7, Yak-9 and P-39 (P-400)? :)
        1. Alex 241
          0
          7 September 2013 21: 52
          http://www.airpages.ru/us/p39_3.shtml там найдете все.
        2. +1
          7 September 2013 21: 55
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          Karlsonn, thanks for the selection of self-propelled guns


          You're welcome hi drinks

          Quote: Blackgrifon
          PS: A little off topic, BUT does anyone have a good (detailed) selection on combat use of the Yak-7, Yak-9 and P-39 (P-400)? :)


          Google issued yet this:

          http://www.airwar.ru/history/av2ww/soviet/yak7/yak7.html

          http://www.airpages.ru/us/p39_3.shtml

          1. +1
            8 September 2013 00: 32
            Thank. If anyone understands the request, tell me, did I understand correctly that the British sold us the P-400, and the P-39D went along Lend-Lease?
            1. Alex 241
              0
              8 September 2013 00: 46
              The British abandoned the operation of the P400. Great Britain was to receive 675 fighters. At first, the British, with their characteristic independence, planned to assign the car a new designation "Caribou", but, in the end, they left their native "American" name. The export P-400 (or "Model 14A") corresponded to the P-39D, but differed in the V-1710-E4 engine and the 20-mm Hispano M1 cannon (instead of the 37 mm).

              By September 1941, the first 11 Airacobras arrived in England by sea and became part of the 601st Squadron. After training in Norfolk, the crews flew in fighter jets to their base airfield in Duxford. There "Airacobra" was subjected to thorough operational tests, the result of which the British were dissatisfied. First of all, the speed of the fully combat-ready fighter was 50 km / h lower than Bell's promise. The take-off distance was 686 m, and some of the airfields, from which the Hurricanes and Spitfires calmly left for flight, became unsuitable for the operation of the Cobra. When firing from a cannon and machine guns, powder gases in large quantities fell into the cockpit and clearly did not improve the pilot's well-being. In addition, recoil when firing almost immediately led to the failure of the gyrocompass, and the British called this drawback one of the most serious.

              After some modifications, four Aircobras I (RAF designation P-400) 601 squadrons flew to Manston base for a real check in military conditions. From here, "Cobras" performed four sorties, attacking German ships off the coast of France. But due to the lack of a sufficient number of spare parts and, mainly, due to the discovered serious shortcomings, by December 1941, the British removed the aircraft from service, and the order for the supply was canceled (in total, they managed to receive 469 vehicles).
              1. 0
                8 September 2013 02: 00
                Yes, but what did they do with them? Sources speak only of P-39s on the Soviet front, but at the same time call them "Airacobra I" and indicate their armament as AP 20 mm. And the "classic" American R-39 "Airacobra" carried an AP of 37 mm. That is why I have a question - did the British deliver the P-400 to us or not?
                1. Alex 241
                  0
                  8 September 2013 02: 17
                  As far as I remember, no. All planes were handed over to the US Air Force on the Pacific Front.
                  1. Alex 241
                    0
                    8 September 2013 03: 54
                    Bell Aerocobra Mk 1 for the Air Force (P-39 / P400)
                  2. 0
                    8 September 2013 16: 55
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    As far as I remember, no. All planes were handed over to the US Air Force on the Pacific Front.


                    Those. did they give it back to the Americans, although they bought it from them? But why then the first "Airacobras", which were delivered to the USSR, came with a 20 mm AP? M. b. part for TO, and part in the USSR?
  34. pinecone
    +3
    7 September 2013 15: 57
    German self-propelled guns Nashorn ("Rhino") SdKfz 164 (88mm Pak 43/1 L / 71)
  35. +4
    7 September 2013 18: 32
    ACS Pz.Sfl.IVa "Dicker max" - heavy anti-tank self-propelled gun.
  36. CARBON
    0
    7 September 2013 22: 03
    Can you answer, but the Germans, when calculating, took into account the "Marders" that were part of the anti-tank divisions of the divisions and, as I understand it, were not isolated into separate units in the initial number of armored vehicles and losses in it, or did they refer them to artillery?
  37. +1
    8 September 2013 00: 44
    The self-propelled gun "Archer" has been produced since 1943. It was created on the basis of the light infantry tank "Valentine".
    The photo shows the damaged Archer self-propelled gun, September 1944.
  38. +1
    8 September 2013 01: 00
    76 mm self-propelled guns based on the T-26
    Installing a 76-mm gun on the chassis of the T-26 tank. Kirov Plant, Leningrad. Autumn 1941
    1. Alex 241
      +1
      8 September 2013 01: 12
      Light tank destroyer ZIS-30. The base was a T-20 "Komsomolets" artillery tractor, in the aft hull of which a rotating part of a 57-mm ZIS-2 cannon with a standard shield was installed.
  39. +1
    8 September 2013 15: 18
    The Finnish self-propelled assault gun BT-42, shot down at the end of June 1944 at the Vyborg railway station.
  40. +1
    8 September 2013 15: 21
    Italian Wedge-heel CV-3/35, armed with the Soloturn S20-5 105 mm universal anti-tank gun, captured by the British forces in Libya during the first English attack during the North African Company
  41. +2
    10 November 2013 18: 23
    Reviewing photos in comments is a pleasure! And the article is weak, Wikipedia has more information.