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Tank destroyers

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Since the moment tanks on the battlefield during the First World War, field artillery became the main means of fighting them. Special anti-tank artillery systems appeared much later. They entered service with the armies only in the thirties. These were quick-firing guns of caliber 20-47 mm. The low silhouette made it easy to camouflage them on the ground, and having a combat weight in the range of 300-500 kg, they were quite maneuverable in battles. Transportation of guns was carried out using mechanical and horse traction.


At the beginning of the Second World War, tanks with anti-missile booking appeared. Therefore, the former small-caliber guns have become ineffective. Then the calibers of guns began to grow: 75, 76, 88, 100 mm! Increased and the initial velocity of the shells. At the same time, their combat weight increased significantly: 1,5-4 tons, so the gun with great difficulty towed and camouflaged on rough terrain. The logical step was the creation of the installation of anti-tank guns on self-propelled tracked chassis. This was first done in the 1940 year, when an 1-mm cannon was installed on the basis of the outdated German light tank T-47. In 1941, we produced a small amount of 57-mm cannons on the chassis of the Komsomolets tracked tractor. These were light or not fully armored vehicles. In 1942, a large number of 75-76 mm anti-tank installations appeared in various armies of the warring countries on the basis of tanks or obsolete captured vehicles that were being discontinued. SU-76, produced from the end of 1942, turned out to be ours. The Germans had 75- and 76-mm SU on the basis of T-II, 38 (t) and other tanks; the British 76-mm "Archer" on the basis of the tank "Valentine", etc. All of these lightly and partially armored, open top and rear self-propelled guns had a small angle of horizontal aiming of the gun.

However, anti-tank missiles were needed, capable of accompanying the tanks in battle, supporting them with fire and repelling the attacks of enemy tanks. Therefore, it was necessary to create combat vehicles with full anti-missile booking. They were built on the basis of major manufactured tanks, and instead of the turret, the SU had a fixed military cabin, in the frontal sheet of which a powerful 75-100 mm caliber cannon with a limited pickup angle was installed. In terms of booking and maneuverability, they were not inferior to the base tank vehicles and, as a rule, were better than the artillery systems.

In preparation for the summer offensive, Hitler's command relied on new heavy tanks and self-propelled units. The latter included the tank destroyer Elephant, also known as Ferdinand. This machine was created on the basis of an experimental heavy tank designed by F. Porsche that was not adopted by the German army. The fact is that, not awaiting the results of tests of new heavy machines, the Nibelungen company manufactured the Porsche 90 tank chassis. After the military department rejected this tank, it was decided to use the existing chassis for an anti-tank SS capable of fighting our T-34 and HF. To do this, in front of the former tank, which has now become the stern, they built a fully booked wheelhouse, where they installed a new 88-mm gun with a 71 caliber. Her piercing projectile (initial speed IZO m / s) pierced with 1000 m at right angles armor with a thickness of about 200 mm. "Elephant" in accordance with the plan of F. Porsche had electric transmission: on the shafts of two of its engines were electric generators, producing electric current. He fed the electric motors that set in motion the driving wheels of the car. Four crew members served gun. The driver and radio operator were located in front of the car.

"Elephanta" in the two battalions of tank destroyers were thrown into battle on the north face of the Kursk Bulge (July 1943 of the year). They were very dangerous opponents of tanks in battles from long distances, but proved to be extremely vulnerable in close combat. These sedentary machines did not even have a machine gun; only at the end of 1943, it was installed on the remaining machines in the frontal part of their hull.

The response of our designers to the new German tanks was the SU-85, designed under the direction of L. I. Gorlitsky on the basis of the medium tank T-34. She entered service in August 1943. An 85-mm gun was mounted on it in a strongly inclined frontal sheet, which, according to its ballistic characteristics, did not differ from the one that was later used on the T-34-85. The fully armored vehicle, which retained the running and maneuverability characteristics of the T-34, became an important means of fighting the enemy’s tanks and directly supporting their tanks and infantry. At the end of 1944, it was replaced by a new SU-100 (see "TM" No. 12, 1970), which differed from the previous more powerful artillery system (its armor-piercing projectile with 1000 and pierced 160-mm armor) and the commander's turret.

In an effort to create a massive, lightweight and cheap tank destroyer, the German command in 1943 decided to use the base of an outdated 38 (t) tank for this purpose. Production of the self-propelled gun "Hetzer" began in April 1944 year and continued until the end of the war. A total of about 2600 units were produced. The Hetzer had a low hull with large angles of inclination of the front, side and stern armor plates. Engine power has been increased, and the chassis has been enhanced compared to the base machine. Thanks to the successful design solutions embedded in 38 (t), the Hetzer retained good mobility, although it turned out to be too heavy.

The American tank destroyers created in 1942-1944 were somewhat different in design features. They had the main armament installed in a fully rotating turret without roofs. These are, for example, the M10, armed with a 76-mm cannon, and the M36 with a 90-mm cannon. They were created on the basis of the tank M4 "Sherman" with a slightly modified body armor. Their combat weight was respectively 29 and 27 t, the crew - 5 people. Built them were 6700 and 1300 pieces.

More interesting was the MX Witch M18 SU, produced by Buick with 1943 (built by 2500) on a specially developed base. Her body was welded from rolled armor plates. Individual suspension, torsion bar. The air cooling engine and power transmission unit were mounted on a special frame, so that they could be easily removed from the case for replacement or repair. М18 was in service with the American army until the end of the war.


German SU "Elephant". Combat weight - 68 T. Crew - 6 people. Armament - one 88-mm gun. The thickness of the armor: the forehead of the hull and deckhouse is 200 mm, the side is 80 mm. Engines - two "Maybach" HL 120 TRM by 300 hp Max. speed - 20 km / h. Cruising on the highway - 180 km.


Soviet SU-85 self-propelled unit. Combat weight - 30 T. Crew - 4 people. Armament - one 85-mm gun. Armor thickness: forehead and hull bead - 45 mm. Engine - B-2-34, 500 l. with. Max. speed - 55 km / h. Power reserve software highway - 300 km.


German SU "Hetzer". Combat weight - 16 T. Crew - 4 people. Armament - one 75-mm gun. Armor thickness: body forehead - 60 mm, board - 20 mm. Engine - "Prague" AC / 2, 160 hp Max. speed - 42 km / h. Cruising on the highway - 180 km.


Soviet self-propelled gun SU-100 sample 1944g. Crew - 4 man, Combat weight - 31,6 t, Length (with gun) - 9,45 m, Hull length - 6,1 m, Width - 3,00 m, Height - 2.245 m, Armament - one 100-mm gun, Booking - forehead, side and feed - 45 mm, bottom - 20 mm, Engine diesel B-2-34M, powerful. 500 hp Speed ​​on the highway - 50 km / h, Cruising on the highway. . . 240-320 km.

Tank destroyers

American SU M18. Combat weight - 17. Crew - 5 people. Armament - one 76,2-mm cannon, one 12,7-mm anti-aircraft gun. Armor thickness: forehead and hull bead - 13 mm, tower - 51 mm. Engine - Continental R - 975, HP 400 Max. speed - 72 km / h. Cruising on the highway - 360 km.
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  1. denisco
    denisco 7 September 2013 10: 08 New
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    the insertion of a video that starts to play itself ... at the bottom of the page - it seems to me beyond. respect the reader, do not force to block everything on the page
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 7 September 2013 10: 59 New
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      Yes ... sometimes enrages. Today I got up in the morning ... silence in the house .. everyone is sleeping. I made a cup of coffee ... did exercises ... sat down to read articles on the site ... and forgot to turn off the columns ... everyone woke up)))
      1. fantast
        fantast 7 September 2013 11: 38 New
        +1
        Changed the video on youtube
        1. il grand casino
          il grand casino 7 September 2013 11: 43 New
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          Quote: fantast
          Changed the video on youtube

          hi Thank you!
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 7 September 2013 22: 54 New
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        Quote: il grand casino
        Brewed a cup of coffee ... did exercises

        What kind of coffee? laughing
        1. il grand casino
          il grand casino 7 September 2013 23: 58 New
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          Coffee banal Jacobs ... mocha in Turk))
  2. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 7 September 2013 12: 16 New
    +3
    A self-propelled installation based on the MZAZ tank, armed with a German 75-mm anti-tank gun. 1st Yugoslav Tank Brigade, Trieste, 1945.

    47-mm anti-tank self-propelled gun Panzeryagre 1 on the PzKpfw I Ausf chassis. In with a Czech 47 mm anti-tank gun
    1. Kars
      Kars 7 September 2013 12: 30 New
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  3. Bongo
    Bongo 7 September 2013 12: 24 New
    +6
    СУ-76 не являлась истребителем танков-это "артштурм" предназначенный для огневой потдержки пехоты.
    К сожалению в статье не упоминается «Ягдпантера» и "Jagdpanzer IV" с пантеровским орудием L70.
    1. Kars
      Kars 7 September 2013 12: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Bongo
      Unfortunately, the article does not mention Yagdpanther

      But her photo opens the article.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 7 September 2013 13: 19 New
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        It would be worth more about them. interesting cars.
    2. Kars
      Kars 7 September 2013 12: 35 New
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      1. Argon
        Argon 7 September 2013 14: 15 New
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        Сколько уже сказанно и написанно про отсутствие у"Элефанта"пулеметов и какой огромный это был недостаток,а ведь на наших СУшках,ИСУшках их тоже не было и в отличии от "немца"они там так и не появились.
  4. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 11 New
    +3
    On photo:

    British soldiers look at holes in the frontal armor of the German StuG III ausf G. This self-propelled gun (presumably from the 907 assault guns team - Stg.Brig.907) was hit by artillerymen of the 64 anti-tank regiment (64th Anti Tank Regiment) in the area Aquino (Aquino) on the line of Hitler 18 May 1944 year.
  5. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 13 New
    +2
    On photo:

    American M7 Priest self-propelled howitzer (105 mm HMC M7) at a position near Riboville, France. 9 December 1944 year.
  6. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 15 New
    +4
    On photo:

    Soviet soldiers walk past a German improvised self-propelled guns hit in the vicinity of Smolyak village on the basis of the captured T-20 Komsomolets Soviet tractor. The Germans installed a PaK 37 cannon on the 36 tractor. Erzats-self-propelled guns received the designation “3.7cm PaK auf gep Artillerie Schlepper 630 (r)”, information on the number of vehicles built was not preserved.
    1. builder
      builder 8 September 2013 01: 31 New
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      SU-6 (T-26 + 76,2 mm anti-aircraft gun arr. 1931.)
  7. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 17 New
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    On photo:

    Finnish BT-42 self-propelled assault gun in Petrozavodsk. Registration number of the R-705 vehicle from the 1th assault gun battalion (1./Ryp.Tyk.P.).
    Self-propelled guns made on the basis of the captured Soviet tank BT-7. The self-propelled guns used the British 4,5-inch (114-mm) field howitzer of the 1909-1917 model (the English designation is Ordnance QF4.5 inch Howitzer, the Finnish one is 114 H / 18). In total, 18 units of armored vehicles were converted into self-propelled guns.
  8. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 18 New
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    On photo:

    The Belgian light anti-tank self-propelled artillery unit autocanon Т13B3 abandoned on Liège Street.
    The self-propelled gun was created on the basis of the English artillery tractor Light Dragon Mk IIc.
  9. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 21 New
    +3
    On photo:

    Non-commissioned officer Helmut Kohlke of the 561th Wehrmacht tank fighter brigade (Panzerjäger-Abteilung 561) with crew on its Marder II self-propelled guns (Sd.Kfz.131).
  10. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 22 New
    +1
    On photo:

    SPG M36 "Jackson" (90mm GMC M36) 703-th battalion of US tank destroyers in the suburbs of Verbomon, Belgium.
  11. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 23 New
    +1
    On photo:

    Japanese 75-mm self-propelled guns Type 1 "Ho-Ni" captured by units of the 37-th US Infantry Division in Aritao, Philippines. 6 April 1945 year.
  12. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 25 New
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    On photo:

    Soldiers of the Westmister Regiment of the 5th Canadian Tank Brigade (Westminster Regiment, 5th Canadian Armored Brigade) in the combat compartment of the German Nashorn self-propelled guns (Sd.Kfz. 164 "Nashorn"), shot down from the PIAT anti-tank grenade launcher on the street of the Italian village P Pontecorvo).
  13. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 27 New
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    On photo:

    The American M18 Hellcat self-propelled guns (76mm GMC M18 Hellcat) from the 827-th tank destroyer battalion, arrived in the 12-th US tank division in Sarrebourg, France.
  14. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 30 New
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    On photo:

    The German 105-mm Vespe self-propelled gun (Sd.Kfz.124 Wespe) from the 74-th self-propelled artillery regiment of the 2-th Wehrmacht tank division, passes next to the abandoned Soviet 76-mm gun ZIS-3 in the city of Oryol. German offensive operation "Citadel".
  15. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 31 New
    +1
    On the picture?

    Semovente da 90 / 53 Semivente Italian self-propelled guns with 90-mm anti-aircraft gun captured by allies in Sicily.
  16. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 32 New
    +1
    On photo:

    An experimental 248-mm (9,75 inch) self-propelled mortar on the chassis of the American M7 Priest self-propelled gun during a demonstration to units of the 7 American Army in France.
  17. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 34 New
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    On photo:

    Semovente M.40 da 75 / 18 Italian self-propelled artillery mount based on the Fiat M13 / 40 tank near El Alamein. Shells for the Italian 75 mm divisional howitzer gun Obice da 75 / 18, which is equipped with self-propelled guns, are displayed on the left wing for demonstration.
  18. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 37 New
    +4
    On photo:

    US military 9-th army inspect the German self-propelled gun "Sturmtiger», captured in the area of ​​Minden (Minden), Germany.
    In the foreground is the ruined body of the 380-mm high-explosive rocket.
  19. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 41 New
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    On photo:

    88-mm heavy anti-tank self-propelled gun “Hornisse” (Hornet) with its own name “Puma” (Puma). Belongs to the 519 fighter tank division. Belarus, the region of Vitebsk.
    From January 27 to 1944, the Hornissa began to be designated Nashorn (Rhinoceros).
  20. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 42 New
    +2
    On photo:

    German self-propelled guns siG 33 (sf) based on Pz.Kpfw. I Ausf. B ("Bison"), tactical number 704, from the 5-th tank division of the Wehrmacht at a firing position in the suburbs.
  21. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 43 New
    +4
    On photo:

    SPG ZiS-30 (57-mm anti-tank gun ZiS-2 based on the artillery tractor A-20 "Komsomolets") at the firing position. Despite the decisive posture of the calculation, the self-propelled guns will not shoot: openers at the rear of the machine, lowered when firing, are raised. In this position, it is impossible to fire, because when fired, the gun has a strong recoil.
  22. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 44 New
    +2
    On photo:

    Captured by a working 150-mm self-propelled gun siG 33 (sf) based on the tank Pz.I Ausf B (self-propelled guns "Bison"). Western front.
    1. Kars
      Kars 7 September 2013 14: 56 New
      +5
      Well, you already knead all Sushki in a heap. But all the same, PT.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 7 September 2013 16: 39 New
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        Quote: Kars
        Well, you already knead all Sushki in a heap. But all the same, PT.


        Entered into a rage, I decided to post everything interesting. winked
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 8 September 2013 17: 36 New
          +2
          "Как не остановить бегущего бизона, не остановить поющего Кобзона". Шутка.
          Thank you for the photo, very informative.
  23. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 45 New
    +3
    On photo:

    Heavy German 15-cm self-propelled guns Sd.Kfz. 135 / 1 based on the French tractor "Laurent", captured by the Allies in North Africa.
    Over the years of the war, the Germans made 94 of these self-propelled guns.
  24. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 47 New
    +2
    On photo:

    German experimental self-propelled guns Sturer Emil (Selbstfahrlafette V) at the Kummersdorf test site.The machine was based on the Henschel Panzer IV prototype - VK3001 (H). The main armament was the 128-mm PaK 40 L / 61 gun, which was in X developed on the basis of the 1939-mm FlaK 128 anti-aircraft gun. From August 40 to March 1941 of the year, Rheinmetall-Borsig and Henschel produced two prototypes that passed combat tests in the USSR in the middle of the 1942 year. The prototypes showed good results, but the project was closed because Tiger tank production was recognized as a priority. Of the prototypes (from the 1942-th tank division) was destroyed in battle, and the second (which had by that time 2 marks for destroyed targets) was captured by the Red Army in the winter of 22 and was part of trophy weapons put up for public display in 1943 and 1943 Today he can be seen in the exposition of the Museum of Armored Forces in Kubinka.
  25. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 51 New
    +3
    On photo:

    German self-propelled guns Sturmpanzer IV from the 216th assault gun battalion (Sturmpanzerabteilung 216), built on the basis of the medium tank PzKpfw IV, also known as "Brummbär" (grizzly). In the Soviet troops they called her “Bear”. Armed with an 150 mm StuH 43 howitzer.
  26. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 54 New
    +3
    On photo:

    Experimental French SPG SAu 40 based on the Somua S35 tank. The abandoned SAu 40 has either artisanal or unfinished camouflage.
    SAu 40 was developed by SOMUA in 1935 — 1937. The self-propelled guns had a mle.75 cannon and a single turret with an 1929-mm machine gun in the front of the 7,5 case.
    The first SAu 40 prototype on the S40 chassis (S35 modification) was assembled in the 1937 year, but the gun was only ready for the 1939 year. The serial production order for SAu 40 was issued in October 1939, however, the number of self-propelled guns issued is unknown. The prototype and, according to some reports, up to four copies of the SAu 40 were sent to the front in June of the 1940 year and were used in hostilities.
  27. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 56 New
    +3
    On photo:

    Hungarian self-propelled artillery "Zrinyi" (Zrínyi). It was created in the 1942 — 1943 years on the basis of the Turan tank, modeled on the German self-propelled gun StuG III. In 1943 — 1944, 66 machines were produced.
  28. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 57 New
    +2
    On photo:

    SPG Marder II with a captured Soviet gun (full name 7,62 cm PaK (r) auf PzKpfw ll Ausf D Marder II (SdKfz 132).
    On December 20 of 1941, Alkett received an order for the installation of a captured Soviet division gun F-22 mod. 1936 of the year on the chassis of the light German tank PzKpfw ll Ausf D. The F-22 gun was captured in large quantities by the Wehrmacht in the first weeks of the war against the USSR and modernized by the Germans: in particular, a muzzle brake was introduced. For her in Germany, the production of ammunition was established. The 76-mm armor-piercing projectile Pzgr 39 left the barrel of this gun at a speed of 740 m / s and at a distance of 1000 m penetrated 82-mm armor.
    Marder II was also produced with the German 75 mm Pak 40 gun.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 7 September 2013 23: 07 New
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      Quote: Karlsonn
      The F-22 gun was captured in large numbers by the Wehrmacht in the first weeks of the war against the USSR and modernized by the Germans: in particular, a muzzle brake was introduced.

      The aiming arms vertically and horizontally have shifted to one side.
      1. Normal
        Normal 7 September 2013 23: 27 New
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        Quote: stalkerwalker
        The aiming arms vertically and horizontally have shifted to one side.

        In 1941-1942, German troops captured a significant number (up to 1300) of Soviet 76-mm division guns arr. 1936 (F-22) [source not specified 455 days]. The gun had a large margin of safety, but its use as an anti-tank was difficult. At the end of 1941, German engineers developed a project to upgrade the guns with the goal of turning it into an anti-tank gun. The modernization included the following activities:
        Boring chambers for shooting a more powerful charge. The Soviet sleeve had a length of 385,3 mm and the diameter of the flange 90 mm, the new German sleeve had a length of 715 mm with a diameter of the flange 100 mm. The volume of the propellant charge increased 2,4 times.
        Installing a muzzle brake to reduce increased recoil force.
        Moving the handles of the gun guidance drives on one side with a sight.
        Decrease in elevation (from 75 ° to 18 °).
        Modernization of recoil devices, in particular, disabling the variable rollback mechanism.
        Installing a new reduced height shield
        Creating a new ammunition
        The alteration of the guns was very economically advantageous; its cost was only a few percent of the cost of the new gun.

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pak_36(r)
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 7 September 2013 23: 39 New
          +4
          Quote: Normal
          Boring chambers for shooting a more powerful charge. The Soviet sleeve had a length of 385,3 mm and the diameter of the flange 90 mm, the new German sleeve had a length of 715 mm with a diameter of the flange 100 mm. The volume of the propellant charge increased 2,4 times.

          To this day, this information bothers me - a lot of regular ammunition under the F-22 was captured. And you must agree, to squander the chamber from under 385,3 mm under 715 mm....??? Грабин был гений, но не мог оставить чуть ли пол-метра "в запас", или ради прочностных характеристик.
          But how about the captured T-34, also bored?
          1. Normal
            Normal 8 September 2013 00: 14 New
            +4
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            To this day, this newsletter bothers me - a lot of regular ammunition under the F-22 was captured.

            The F-22 is a universal gun, and the Germans made it anti-tank. Shells for a universal 76 mm cannon they did not need. The Germans had 7,5 cm. An infantry gun for working on wood-earth fortifications and infantry, and excellent anti-aircraft guns. Specialization. A universal gun and the same universal ammunition always lose a special one.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            And you must agree, to squander the chamber from under 385,3 mm under 715 mm .... ???

            Nothing wrong. An excessive safety margin was laid in the F-22 (versatile person) Yes, and the fighting life of an anti-tank gun is much shorter than that of a division gun. Therefore, it was possible to sacrifice a resource for the sake of increasing the charge power.
            Quote: stalkerwalker

            But how about the captured T-34, also bored?

            The F-34 tank gun stood on the T-34. The layout and volume of the tank tower dictate its conditions and the tank gun cannot be executed in the same dimensions and with the same margin of safety as the divisional one. In the F-34, there was probably no margin for boring. In addition, the T-34 tower with the F-34 gun was very cramped and double. Working in a limited turret volume with a long Pak-36 (r) projectile (nearly a meter) is not very convenient, if at all possible.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 8 September 2013 00: 20 New
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              Quote: Normal
              Shells for the universal 76 mm universal cannon were useless to them. The Germans had 7,5 see an infantry gun for working on wood-earthen mounts and infantry and excellent anti-aircraft guns.

              А создавать отдельное производство боеприпасов под "чуждый" Вермахту 76,2 мм калибр? Было же видно, что явление временное.
              1. Normal
                Normal 8 September 2013 00: 32 New
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                Quote: stalkerwalker
                А создавать отдельное производство боеприпасов под "чуждый" Вермахту 76,2 мм калибр?

                So, after all, Hitler’s headquarters are laughing Everyone knows that.
                And yet
                Ammunition 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r) consisted of German shots with high-explosive, armor-piercing caliber and cumulative shells. The Germans did not have a caliber
                7,62 cm, and Pak 36 (r) shells did not fit the German 7,5-cm guns, but these shells could be fired from other captured Soviet 76-mm guns.
                Некоторые отечественные 'специалисты' утверждают, что немцы стреляли из Pak 36(r) трофейными советскими снарядами. Делать это физически было невозможно, так как советский патрон бы болтался в каморе Pak 36(r).*

                Converted F-22 with a new ammunition to the top 1942g. became the best German anti-tank gun, and in principle can be considered the best anti-tank gun in the world. Here is just one example: 22 July 1942g. in the battle of El Alamein (Egypt), the calculation of the grenadier G. Halm from the 104 Grenadier Regiment with shots from Pak 36 (r) within a few minutes destroyed nine British tanks.

                The conversion of the not very successful divisional cannon into an excellent anti-tank gun was not the result of the ingenious thinking of German designers, it was just that the Germans followed common sense. The same V.G. Grabin named after him by many of our other designers back in 1935. They suggested installing a muzzle brake on the F-22, increasing the chamber, introducing a new, heavier projectile, decreasing the elevation angle, etc. At the landfills, guns with a muzzle brake and a larger chamber were successfully tested. But the deputy commissar of defense M.N. Tukhachevsky and his henchmen in the GAU (later convicted of wrecking) stood to death for the cartridge case of 1900 and for universality
                F-22. **
                The leadership of GAU even considered the issue of launching the production of Pak 36 (r). But Grabin refused, because he designed already more powerful systems.

                In 1942 the Germans converted 358 F-22 units into 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r), in 1943 - another 169 and in 1944 - 33. The mass production of ammunition was also launched.

                Production of shots to 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r). (thousand pieces)

                High explosive
                1942 ____ 769,4
                1943 ____ 1071,3
                1944 ____ 957,7
                Armor-piercing and cumulative
                1942 ____ 359,4
                1943 ____ 597,3
                1944 ____ 437,3

                Not only the F-22 divisional cannon became a German trophy, but also its major modernization - the 76-mm F-22 USV (arr. 1936) *** the Germans used it in its original form as a field gun called 7,62 cm FR297 r). Small number of guns
                The F-22 SPM was converted into anti-tank guns, dubbed 7,62 cm Pak 39 (r). The gun received a muzzle brake, as a result of which its barrel length increased from 3200 to 34800. The camora was bored and shots could be fired from it from 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r), the weight of the gun increased from 1485 to 1610 kg. 7,62 cm Pak 36 (r).
                By March 1945 the Wehrmacht had only 165 converted trophy anti-tank guns Pak 36 (r) and Pak 39 (r).

                А.Широкорад. 'Бог войны третьего рейха'
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 8 September 2013 00: 40 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Normal
                  Shells Pak 36 (r) did not fit German guns of 7,5 cm caliber, but these shells could be fired from other captured Soviet 76-mm guns.

                  Thank you! hi
                  The father, who commanded the ZiS-3 calculation, said that they tried to shoot German 7,5 cm with shells - the hits were clearly inaccurate.
                2. Yemelya
                  Yemelya 8 September 2013 16: 39 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Normal
                  Shells Pak 36 (r) did not fit German guns of 7,5 cm caliber, but these shells could be fired from other captured Soviet 76-mm guns.


                  I didn’t understand here.

                  For these shells, the F-22 chamber had to be bored, as then they could be fired from guns created under the armament shell. 1902 request

                  Before the creation of PaK-36 (r), the Germans conducted tests, according to the results of which it was found out that only F-22 and F-22USV of release until 1941 fit F-22USV of release after the summer of 1941, F-22USV- BR, ZiS-22 and ZiS-3 for these purposes did not fit - it burst the chamber.
              2. Yemelya
                Yemelya 8 September 2013 16: 41 New
                0
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                А создавать отдельное производство боеприпасов под "чуждый" Вермахту 76,2 мм калибр? Было же видно, что явление временное.


                Quickly worked.
              3. Yemelya
                Yemelya 8 September 2013 16: 49 New
                0
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                А создавать отдельное производство боеприпасов под "чуждый" Вермахту 76,2 мм калибр? Было же видно, что явление временное.


                There is another question, where they were produced. The Germans could get equipment Soviet equipment for the production of ammunition for divisions or anti-aircraft guns, and maybe even workers.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 9 September 2013 00: 30 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Emelya
                  There is another question, where they were produced. The Germans could get equipment Soviet equipment for the production of ammunition for divisions or anti-aircraft guns, and maybe even workers.

                  Hardly.
                  Good friends-Czechs probably helped. As well as the driver mechanics delivered to Panzervaffen for reference.
          2. Yemelya
            Yemelya 8 September 2013 16: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            But how about the captured T-34, also bored?


            There is no such information.

            The question is interesting. F-32 and F-34 were also based on the F-22. But, apparently, during the alteration to the tank, changes were made that prevented the alteration. Although, maybe they just didn’t bother because of the not too large number of T-34s in the Wehrmacht.

            The situation would be shameful for us: in 1942, the German T-34 and KV were not only with commander's turrets, but also with more powerful guns.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 9 September 2013 00: 36 New
              +3
              Quote: Emelya
              The situation would be shameful for us: in 1942, the German T-34 and KV were not only with commander's turrets, but also with more powerful guns.

              Don't be so harsh ...
              The whole Europe worked with the Wehrmacht, with all its powers still unbroken.
              Дм.Малышев, именем которого названы и завод в Харькове, и станция метро, совершил более чем подвиг, эвакуировав завод за Урал, и, буквально "с колёс", в чистом поле, смог не только удвоить (как ПРОСИЛ И.Сталин) количество выпускаемых Т-34, а даже утроить.
            2. svp67
              svp67 9 September 2013 00: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: Emelya
              The question is interesting. Ф-32 and Ф-34 were also based on Ф-22.
              На сколько помниться в воспоминаниях Грабина было написано, что Ф32 создавалась на базе Ф22УСВ,а это орудие не имело возможности к "расточке", так как её каморная часть была рассчитана под "французскую" гильзу, в отличии от Ф22, на которой каморная часть была рассчитана под более большую гильзу,но растачивалась под "французскую"...так исторически сложилось.
  29. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 13: 58 New
    +2
    On photo:

    Soviet soldiers inspect the German heavy self-propelled artillery installation of the tank destroyer class Ferdinand that was hit during the Battle of Kursk. The photo is also interesting with the rare steel helmet SSH-1943 for the 36 year on the soldier on the left.
  30. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 14: 01 New
    +6
    On photo:

    Soviet self-propelled guns ISU-122s on one of the streets of the city of Sobeslav in Czechoslovakia. The inscription on the self-propelled gun - "We are Russian, we won" and "Glory to the Soviet gunners!".
  31. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 15: 03 New
    +1
    On photo:

    Soviet self-propelled artillery SU-152 at a firing position. Western front.
  32. Karlsonn
    Karlsonn 7 September 2013 15: 04 New
    +1
    On photo:

    Soviet self-propelled artillery SU-76M in Vienna, Austria.
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 7 September 2013 15: 44 New
      +4
      Thank you very much dear Alexei, for such detailed photographs, but let me insert my 5 cents:
      румыеская противотанковая СУ "Маресул" ("Маршал") с установкой легкого противотанкового орудия типа немецкого РаК 40. Новый прототип М-04 унаследовал старое шасси, но получил двигатель от легкого танка Hotchkiss H-39, 75-мм противотанковую пушку Resita M1943 и более обтекаемый бронекорпус, наподобие немецкого “Hetzer”.



      TACAM T-60 (rum. Tun Anticar pe Afet Mobil, Self-propelled anti-tank gun T-60) - Romanian anti-tank self-propelled guns from the Second World War, created on the basis of captured Soviet tanks T-60. A total of 34 self-propelled guns were fired during the entire war, of which 16 were transported to the 61st artillery battery (1st Romanian regiment), and 18 went to the 62nd artillery battery (2nd Romanian regiment). Together they took part in the defense of the positions during the offensive of the Soviet troops. The fate of the cars remains unknown after the return of King Mihai, however, they were probably transported to the USSR.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 7 September 2013 16: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        Many thanks dear Alexey, for such detailed photographs


        Always please, I'm glad I liked it (although as I was rightly noticed, I mixed everything in a bunch - I got carried away). hi


        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        румыеская противотанковая СУ "Маресул" ("Маршал")


        but I thought what other interesting self-propelled guns I forgot. laughing drinks
        1. loft79
          loft79 8 September 2013 02: 56 New
          +3
          Once such a booze went with self-propelled guns. drinks Not a branch, but a photo gallery laughing
          I will also add a little.
          1. Африканская "Диана"
        2. loft79
          loft79 8 September 2013 03: 00 New
          +1
          2. "Бункерфлак" Гудериана
        3. loft79
          loft79 8 September 2013 03: 02 New
          0
          3. Various self-propelled guns based on French tanks and tractors.
          Self-propelled guns based on R35 with a 47-mm Czech anti-tank gun (L / 43.4)
  33. gallville
    gallville 7 September 2013 15: 54 New
    -2
    Статью писал школьник переигравший в WOT. Я так понял "смешались в кучу люди кони".
    How can the Su-100 be compared for the same Hetzer. The Germans had vehicles of this class designed to support infantry units - a sort of cheap analogue of medium tanks. In our country, 100k and above were more tank destroyers for good reason the 152nd were called St. John's wort.
    Why such a machine as stugIII is not indicated in the article is not known at all, given that during the war about 9 thousand were produced.
    1. Kars
      Kars 7 September 2013 16: 00 New
      11
      Quote: gallville
      How can you compare the intended purpose of the Su-100 and the same Hetzer. The Germans designed cars of this class

      Well, inappropriately - a hatzer is exactly an anti-tank sau. You can be confused with the Shtugs.
      Quote: gallville
      . In our country, 100s and above were more tank destroyers not for nothing that 152s were called St. John's wort.

      Weaving is a PT, but 152 is an attack self-propelled gun, and St. John's wort was simply because there was nothing in 1943 against the Tigers and Panthers.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 7 September 2013 16: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Kars
        Well, inappropriately - a hatzer is exactly an anti-tank sau. You can be confused with the Shtugs.


        Touche!
    2. Bongo
      Bongo 7 September 2013 16: 00 New
      +5
      In general, I agree with you, but the domestic heavy self-propelled guns of caliber 152-mm were created completely for other tasks. As anti-tank ones, they were ineffective for reasons of low rate of fire (1,5 rate / min), insufficient mobility and inappropriate ballistics for tasks of VET.
      1. Snoop
        Snoop 7 September 2013 17: 44 New
        0
        Why are VET useless? They fired stupidly with HE shells, and one hit was enough for the Tiger and Panther.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 7 September 2013 18: 43 New
          +4
          Quote: Snoop
          Why are VET useless?


          Никто и не говорит, что бесполезны, просто предназначена СУ-152 для другого, задачи для этой машины были огневая поддержка наступающих танков и пехоты, цель - разрушение "ДОТ-ов", а ее успешное применение летом 1943 года в сражении на Курской дуге, где она проявила себя как эффективный истребитель новых тяжёлых немецких танков и САУ это what --- so her fate has developed.

          А вот ИСУ-152 — "Зверобой" уже удачно сочетала в себе три главных боевых роли: тяжёлое штурмовое орудие, истребитель танков и самоходную гаубицу.
          Although it must be admitted that in each of these roles, as a rule, there was a different, more specialized self-propelled gun with better characteristics for its category than the ISU-152.
          1. loft79
            loft79 8 September 2013 03: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: Karlsonn
            the SU-152 was just designed for another, the tasks for this vehicle were fire support for advancing tanks and infantry


            Quote: Karlsonn
            А вот ИСУ-152 — "Зверобой" уже удачно сочетала в себе три главных боевых роли: тяжёлое штурмовое орудие, истребитель танков и самоходную гаубицу

            Немного не понял про "А вот ИСУ-152".
            Различия были в базе и более сильном бронировании ИСУ-152. Орудие то же самое МЛ-20С. И задачи те же что и у СУ-152. А ПТ-роль "побочный эффект" laughing hi
        2. Alex
          Alex 1 February 2014 00: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: Snoop
          Why are VET useless? They fired stupidly with HE shells, and one hit was enough for the Tiger and Panther.
          Существует понятие "предназначен" и "может применяться". СУ-152 ПРЕДНАЗНАЧЕН для решения задач тяжелой артиллерии, а именно - штурм переднего края обороны противника сосвсеми вытекающими "прелестями" (ДОТы, ДЗОТы, прочая фортификация). Но при этом мощности даже ОФ снаряда и дульной энергии орудия вполне хватало (а для некоторых - так и с запасом) для решения задач ПТО. В конце концов, зенитка (и у нас, и у немцев) изначально предназначалась для задач ПВО, но с успехом применялась и для ПТО. Одно другому не мешает. Как-то так.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 1 February 2014 03: 01 New
            +3
            Есть такой критерий стоимость-эффективность, с таким же успехом по танкам можно стрелять из 203-мм гаубиц, они так же "могут применяться".
      2. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 7 September 2013 21: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Bongo
        and unsuitable ballistics for VET tasks.


        Тем не менее, при грамотном использовании эфект был потрясающий - именно за это их и прозвали "Зверобой". Один минус - малый боезапас.

        Karlsonn, thanks for the selection of self-propelled guns.

        PS: A little off topic, BUT does anyone have a good (detailed) selection on combat use of the Yak-7, Yak-9 and P-39 (P-400)? :)
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 7 September 2013 21: 52 New
          0
          http://www.airpages.ru/us/p39_3.shtml там найдете все.
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 7 September 2013 21: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          Karlsonn, thanks for the selection of self-propelled guns


          You're welcome hi drinks

          Quote: Blackgrifon
          PS: A little off topic, BUT does anyone have a good (detailed) selection on combat use of the Yak-7, Yak-9 and P-39 (P-400)? :)


          Google issued yet this:

          http://www.airwar.ru/history/av2ww/soviet/yak7/yak7.html

          http://www.airpages.ru/us/p39_3.shtml

          1. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 8 September 2013 00: 32 New
            +1
            Thank. If anyone understands the request, tell me, did I understand correctly that the British sold us the P-400, and the P-39D went along Lend-Lease?
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 8 September 2013 00: 46 New
              0
              Англичане отказались от эксплуатации Р400. Великобритания должна была получить 675 истребителей. Вначале англичане, со свойственной им независимостью, планировали присвоить машине новое обозначение "Карибу", но, в конце концов, оставили родное "американское" имя. Экспортный Р-400 (или "Модель 14А") соответствовал P-39D, однако отличался двигателем V-1710-E4 и 20-мм пушкой "Испано" М1 (вместо 37 мм).

              К сентябрю 1941-го первые 11 "Аэрокобр" прибыли морем в Англию и вошли в состав 601-й эскадрильи. После обучения в Норфолке, экипажи на истребителях перелетели на свой базовый аэродром в Дуксфорде. Там "Аэрокобру" подвергли тщательным эксплуатационным испытаниям, результатом которых англичане остались недовольны. Прежде всего, скорость полностью боеготового истребителя оказалась на 50 км/ч ниже, чем обещала фирма "Белл". Взлетная дистанция составляла 686 м, и часть аэродромов, с которых спокойно уходили в полет "Харрикейны" и "Спитфайры", становилась непригодной для эксплуатации "Кобры". При стрельбе из пушки и пулеметов пороховые газы в большом количестве попадали в кабину и явно не улучшали самочувствие летчику. К тому же, отдача при стрельбе практически сразу приводила к отказу гирокомпаса, и этот недостаток англичане называли одним из самых серьезных.

              После некоторых доработок четыре "Аэрокобры I" (обозначение Р-400 в Королевских ВВС) 601 -и эскадрильи перелетели на базу Мэнстон для реальной проверки в военных условиях. Отсюда "Кобры" выполнили четыре боевых вылета, атаковав у побережья Франции немецкие корабли. Но из-за отсутствия достаточного количества запасных частей и, в основном, из-за обнаруженных серьезных недостатков к декабрю 1941-го англичане сняли самолет с вооружения, а заказ на поставку аннулировали (всего успели получить 469 машин).
              1. Blackgrifon
                Blackgrifon 8 September 2013 02: 00 New
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                Да, но что они потом с ними сделали? Источники говорят только о Р-39 на Советском фронте, но, в тоже время, называют их "Аэрокобрами I" и указывают их вооружение как АП 20 мм. А "классическая" американская Р-39 "Аэрокобра" несла АП 37 мм. Именно поэтому и возникает у меня вопрос - это все-таки Р-400 поставили нам англичане или нет?
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 8 September 2013 02: 17 New
                  0
                  As far as I remember, no. All planes were handed over to the US Air Force on the Pacific Front.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 8 September 2013 03: 54 New
                    0
                    Bell Aerocobra Mk 1 for the Air Force (P-39 / P400)
                  2. Blackgrifon
                    Blackgrifon 8 September 2013 16: 55 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    As far as I remember, no. All planes were handed over to the US Air Force on the Pacific Front.


                    Т.е. они отдали обратно американцам, хотя у них же и купили? Но почему тогда первые "Аэрокобры", которые поставили в СССР шли с АП 20 мм? М.б. часть на ТО, а часть в СССР?
  34. pinecone
    pinecone 7 September 2013 15: 57 New
    +3
    Немецкая САУ Nashorn ("Носорог") SdKfz 164 (88mm Pak 43/1 L/71)
  35. Dronza
    Dronza 7 September 2013 18: 32 New
    +4
    САУ Pz.Sfl.IVa "Dicker max" - тяжелое противотанковое самоходное орудие.
  36. CARBON
    CARBON 7 September 2013 22: 03 New
    0
    Можете ответить, а немцы при подсчете учитывали "Мардеры", которые входили в состав противотанковых подразделений дивизий и как я понимаю не были обособлены в отдельные подразделения в начальное число бронетехники и потери в ней, или относили их к артиллерии?
  37. builder
    builder 8 September 2013 00: 44 New
    +1
    Самоходная установка "Арчер" производилась с 1943 г. Она была создана на базе легкого пехотного танка «Валентайн».
    На фото подбитая САУ "Archer", сентябрь 1944 года.
  38. builder
    builder 8 September 2013 01: 00 New
    +1
    76 mm self-propelled guns based on the T-26
    Installing a 76-mm gun on the chassis of the T-26 tank. Kirov Plant, Leningrad. Autumn 1941
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 8 September 2013 01: 12 New
      +1
      Легкая потивотанковая САУ ЗИС-30. Базой являлся артиллерийский тягач Т-20 "Комсомолец", в кормовой части корпуса которого была установлена вращающаяся часть 57-мм пушки ЗИС-2 со штатным щитом.
  39. Selevc
    Selevc 8 September 2013 15: 18 New
    +1
    The Finnish self-propelled assault gun BT-42, shot down at the end of June 1944 at the Vyborg railway station.
  40. Selevc
    Selevc 8 September 2013 15: 21 New
    +1
    Italian Wedge-heel CV-3/35, armed with the Soloturn S20-5 105 mm universal anti-tank gun, captured by the British forces in Libya during the first English attack during the North African Company
  41. rokkero
    rokkero 10 November 2013 18: 23 New
    +2
    Reviewing photos in comments is a pleasure! And the article is weak, Wikipedia has more information.