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A. Wasserman: “Preserving a united Ukraine is the best option for Russia”

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A. Wasserman: “Preserving a united Ukraine is the best option for Russia”Joining only Donetsk and Lugansk will do little for both parties.When the Russian prime minister, in an interview with foreign media, voices the Kremlin’s position on global issues, it’s just a sight to see. He is serious, sure, logically consistent. No puzzling projectors and lyrical digressions.


But this is a collective position, developed, of course, not by him. In his competence in general, for the most part internal matters. The foreign policy of Russia, as every conscientious schoolboy knows, is determined by the President of the Russian Federation.

So, the Bloomberg TV journalist could talk about with the same success, for example, with Dmitry Peskov, yes, in fact, with any ideologically truly savvy character - even though the singer Valeria. Since Dmitry Anatolievich didn’t say anything new in his theses on Ukraine. Everything is exactly the same as his senior colleague said, including on the eve of his visit to China.

This clarification is important because rather weird responses from quite at first glance serious and sane people have already appeared on the network, which, they say, Medvedev has “reborn”, “does not look like himself” in the same way.

But, let's say, his answer to the question asked “head on”, is Russia going to guarantee the territorial integrity of Ukraine, does it not repeat (albeit in other words) Vladimir Vladimirovich’s thesis? Which was relatively much more “merciless” about Ukraine’s “territorial integrity” six years ago at a closed session of the Russia-NATO Council.

Then, if you believe the sources of Kommersant, Putin said that if he joined the North Atlantic Alliance, Ukraine would cease to exist as a state. And he immediately put the accents: it will be the choice of Ukraine, Russia is not a priori.

Russia, in fact, was generally satisfied with the “status quo” that existed in Ukraine, with the exception of certain rather painful moments, which, however, were resolved through diplomacy. But ... it came out as in that joke: "We knew, the Padluks, that we will do it anyway."

The “Ukrainian theses” of the Russian prime minister, voiced by him in an interview with an American television channel in an interview with a columnist KM.RU, were commented by well-known journalist and political scientist Anatoly Wasserman:

- The Russian Federation adheres to the principle that the direct will of the people should be the supreme law for any politician. And, accordingly, within the framework of this position it is impossible to give guarantees that any region that has expressed such a desire will not be accepted by Russia.

But this is the formal side of things. As for the substantive side, it would be advisable for the Russian Federation to preserve the united Ukraine, but in the form of a federation, where the regions themselves determine which powers they would give to the Center, and which ones would be left behind. The current government of Ukraine, of course, will protest against this with all its might, but for the Russian Federation this option would be the most profitable.

If this does not work out, then the next most profitable option is to include the whole of Ukraine in the Russian Federation, with the exception of Galicia, in the form of several subjects, and the next, least profitable option is to include the whole strip from Kharkov to Tiraspol , even if it bypasses the Kiev and Poltava regions from the south.

Inclusion of only the Donetsk and Lugansk regions (or republics) into the Russian Federation will do very little for the Russian Federation as a whole and for the acceding ones, who simply will not feel any substantial benefit from this. And as for the position voiced by Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev, I think that it should be understood precisely as the readiness of the Russian Federation to reintegrate not only these two areas.

Dmitry Medvedev, in passing, expressed a vague hope that the upcoming elections in Ukraine, which Russia does not seem to recognize, can still help stabilize the internal political situation. This is true?

- Not. First of all, it should be taken into account that, as a result of several decisions taken by the Supreme Council of Ukraine 22 in February of this year, his own activity, from this moment on, became legally void.

In particular, the decision taken to appoint the presidential election on 25 in May is legally void. Whoever proclaimed them as the new head of state, but the real president of Ukraine until February 25 2015 remains Viktor Yanukovych and no one else. Accordingly, whoever will be named the winner of the May 25 performance will be just one of its actors.

And since the forthcoming play entitled “Elections” itself clearly does not aim at uniting Ukraine around some of its own goals, but its final transformation into an instrument for the destruction of the rest of Russia, it is obvious that the elections will not only not complete the conflict, but only only facilitate its further development.

And yet, Russia can let it “through force”, but still recognize the results of elections in Ukraine?

- It is impossible to exclude such an option, but in general it should be clear that any concession from the Russian Federation will be considered by the Washington organizers and the Kiev revolutionists as an excuse for putting forward new and new demands on Moscow and putting pressure on it.

Therefore, in the place of the head of the Russian Federation, I would give them only one thing, namely, I would give the right to independently choose the place I liked in the cemetery.
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  1. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 22 May 2014 14: 48
    +15
    We do not need a properly fragmented Ukraine. This is a hot spot under our southern side. A huge flow of refugees and constant tension in the border areas.
    1. MOISEY
      MOISEY 22 May 2014 14: 54
      +49
      In any case, in Ukraine, Nazism must be destroyed, at least in a united, even in fragmented.
      1. REDBLUE
        REDBLUE 22 May 2014 15: 01
        +16
        I completely agree. Fascism must be destroyed not only in Ukraine but also in Russia. In general, in principle, it should not be in the world. He has no right to exist. Not for this, our grandfathers fought and died.
      2. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 22 May 2014 15: 03
        +22
        he would have conceded to them in only one way, namely, he would have given himself the right to choose his own favorite place in the cemetery.

        Here Wasserman is 100% right .. Well writes infection))
        1. Roman1970
          Roman1970 22 May 2014 15: 18
          +7
          Always respected Wasserman! It's nice to listen to a smart person who thinks before saying ...
          1. Alexey N
            Alexey N 22 May 2014 15: 25
            -19%
            And before thinking about what to say, he looks where the wind is blowing from the "vertical". It is not mind, it is opportunism. However, he has such a surname ...
            1. zennon
              zennon 22 May 2014 15: 43
              +11
              Quote: Alexey N
              However, he has such a surname ...

              Translated into Russian - "Water". Normal German surname.
              1. Alexey N
                Alexey N 22 May 2014 17: 14
                -7
                True Aryan! laughing
            2. Zenturion77
              Zenturion77 22 May 2014 16: 42
              +6
              Well, since A. Wasserman does not solve absolutely anything in the situation in Ukraine, therefore he analyzes the information coming from different, including from the "vertical" sources, and provides analytics.
              So you can agree with him or refute, but there’s no adaptation on his part.
              1. Alexey N
                Alexey N 22 May 2014 17: 11
                0
                You are mistaken. Everyone thinks, but not everyone publishes.
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            4. siberalt
              siberalt 22 May 2014 19: 27
              +1
              And what is the vertical for Wasserman? He is not even a citizen of Russia, but a free Odessa citizen. You can't pin him to the wall, especially if it's about politics. He is my one-year-old and we were brought up like that in the USSR. Therefore, it is easier for me to understand it. The point is that at some stage he stumbled over the unfulfillability of his "forecasts". Become more careful. So what? Every thinking person is made like that.
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        3. matross
          matross 22 May 2014 16: 21
          +9
          Quote: MIKHAN
          .. Well writes infection))

          Always good. But this article is an exception. A week ago, Anatoly accurately predicted the collapse of Ukraine and its annexation to Russia by the end of the year in parts, excluding Galicia. And here, in fact, portends the recognition of the elections. If Russia recognizes the elections in Ukraine, recognizes the president, there will be no collapse ... There will be new gas deliveries at reduced prices, endless negotiations and a quick star of the DPR and LPR. So here I do not understand the respected Wasserman ...
          1. saag
            saag 22 May 2014 16: 27
            0
            Quote: matRoss
            So here I do not understand the respected Wasserman ...

            why it’s incomprehensible, it’s the talking head, consider it the voice of the general course of the party and government
          2. kotvov
            kotvov 22 May 2014 18: 32
            +1
            Therefore, I would have succumbed to them in the place of the leader of the Russian Federation in only one way, namely, would have given me the right to choose my favorite place in the cemetery myself ... do you actually read the article, or do you show your brain?
        4. yushch
          yushch 22 May 2014 16: 53
          +2
          And the ending is what))) just a sight for sore eyes. AI well done !!!
      3. Alexey N
        Alexey N 22 May 2014 15: 23
        +2
        In any case, in Ukraine, Nazism must be destroyed, at least in a united, even in fragmented.

        This is certain and certain!
    2. kit-kat
      kit-kat 22 May 2014 15: 05
      +2
      Well, at least the refugees will be Russian, not half-wild hordes. Russian, I hope, we will accept without hesitation.
    3. armageddon
      armageddon 22 May 2014 15: 10
      +2
      hmm in my opinion ALREADY collapsed !!! There are details left ... WAITING FOR WINTER !!!
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    5. Alexey N
      Alexey N 22 May 2014 15: 21
      +6
      We do not need a properly fragmented Ukraine. This is a hot spot under our southern side. A huge flow of refugees and constant tension in the border areas.

      And do we need a single hostile state at hand? Write nonsense.
    6. 222222
      222222 22 May 2014 15: 21
      +1
      REDBLUE SU Today, 14:48
      "We do not need a properly divided Ukraine .."
      Have you been asked? However...
    7. Akvadra
      Akvadra 22 May 2014 16: 19
      +5
      Any concessions will be perceived by the West as our weakness and will be accompanied by a whole lump of new absurd demands, claims and "formidable" sanctions. It's like making concessions to a bad mother-in-law - it won't get better! A firm, clear position, taking into account all the security interests of Russia, this seems to be the best remedy for their lies and obscurantism. And the cemetery is too honorable place for these sodomites. Burn the ashes to the toilet.
  2. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 22 May 2014 14: 52
    -1
    I, as before, support the idea of ​​a United Federated Ukraine .... Let Russia have a big, strong economic and political ally .... Prezik only needs a normal one .... For starters, Poroshenko will come down, with his eggs in a chain Putin’s hand, but it must be changed quickly ... But just for whom?
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 22 May 2014 15: 20
      +9
      Quote: DanSabaka
      Let there be a large, strong economic and political ally in Russia ....

      And when did this happen over the past 23 years?
      Quote: DanSabaka
      For starters, Poroshenko will come down, with his balls in Putin’s tenacious hand,

      And why did his eggs in the hand of the GDP turn out to be?
      1. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 22 May 2014 16: 38
        0
        And when did this happen over the past 23 years?

        If it didn’t, it doesn’t mean that it cannot or will not be .... Stalin succeeded in this ...
      2. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 22 May 2014 16: 42
        0
        And why did his eggs in the hand of the GDP turn out to be?

        Poroshenko has several enterprises in the Crimea and a factory in Voronezh. Maybe there is something else that we haven’t been informed about ... Plus, Poroshenko has a personal enemy - Tymoshenko, to whom the GDP has control (if necessary, of course)
    2. Kamarada
      Kamarada 22 May 2014 16: 31
      -1
      bystro vospitat 'nuznogo i poleznogo 4eloveka
      1. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 22 May 2014 16: 42
        0
        fast not fast, but you need to cook ....
  3. Arh
    Arh 22 May 2014 14: 53
    +5
    If Ukraine condemns and shoots all the bandits and fascists let it be whole as the people want !!!
  4. Yellow white
    Yellow white 22 May 2014 14: 54
    +11
    And do we need a single fascist state ??
    If you give in, they’ll sit on the neck ...
    1. Renat
      Renat 22 May 2014 17: 52
      +2
      It’s like blackmail, once you gave in, wait for more pressure. I agree with you. Especially when it comes to the Nazis. In Switzerland, if I am not mistaken, today the court allowed the shouts of "Zeke Heil", as amended if it really expresses their political views. The brown plague is reborn. It is necessary to press in the bud.
  5. Giant thought
    Giant thought 22 May 2014 14: 55
    +2
    Quickly, everyone ran to the cemetery to take up places for the dead. (Joke). The best option is a neutral Ukraine, located in the CU, which actively cooperates in all areas with Russia. But dreams, dreams, where is your sweetness?
  6. WIN969
    WIN969 22 May 2014 14: 55
    +11
    Stupid Ukrainians, drove out one oligarch to elect another, and this is called the will of the people.
    1. Alexey N
      Alexey N 22 May 2014 15: 31
      0
      But do Ukrainians exist?
    2. DEfindER
      DEfindER 22 May 2014 15: 54
      +3
      Quote: WIN969
      kicked out one oligarch to elect another

      Well, in the Southeast, by the way, Maidan slogans began to be put into practice - down with the oligarchs, all factories as workers, universal nationalization.
      I want to ask Kiev, and you weakly overthrow your oligarchs?
      1. Hctu
        Hctu 22 May 2014 16: 07
        +3
        I want to ask Kiev, and you weakly overthrow your oligarchs?

        Ask the Russians at the same time. We have too much with the oligarchs here.
    3. Kamarada
      Kamarada 22 May 2014 16: 33
      -1
      tam za nix mnogoe sdelali
  7. Lyubimov
    Lyubimov 22 May 2014 14: 56
    0
    Wasserman is a very competent uncle, always on business, and will chew all the ins and outs to molecules! smile
    1. avt
      avt 22 May 2014 15: 20
      +8
      Quote: Black and White
      And do we need a single fascist state ??
      If you give in, they’ll sit on the neck ...

      Quote: Lyubimov
      Wasserman is a very competent uncle, always on business, and will chew all the ins and outs to molecules!

      There is a desire to swallow someone else's chewing gum ??? I don’t. This wise guy, together with Tsarev, already made the same runs around Crimea about a single indivisible krajin, saying they need to wait for more guys from Odessa and others and not rush to a referendum. On someone else's x..phalos they want to enter paradise. Donbass and Lugansk specifically, with weapons in their hands, are gaining the right to live as they want. Do you want them and the Crimea? Join us, take up arms and fight, especially since in Odessa they have already shown that you won’t achieve anything with signatures and persuasion. Ukraine can’t build a new one anymore, there’s no such chance, that Dnieper water flowed over time. So minus personally Wasserman. You don’t need to sound your glitches, but really look at things taking into account the events in real time. And glitches need to be written on paper and publish books, like fantasy, they will also read, there will be those who want it, science fiction writers, if the pen is alive, popular.
      1. Grenader
        Grenader 22 May 2014 15: 37
        +3
        I agree. Unified Ukraine, the Russian government can and will arrange, but it is unlikely that Russians living in Ukraine.
      2. Hctu
        Hctu 22 May 2014 16: 01
        0
        I agree with you!
        Many ANALYTICS divorced. If there were as many volunteers in Slavyansk ...
  8. aleks700
    aleks700 22 May 2014 14: 57
    +10
    The inclusion of only the Donetsk and Lugansk regions (or republics) into the Russian Federation will do very little either to the Russian Federation as a whole or to those who have joined themselves, who simply will not feel any substantial benefit for themselves from this.
    Not any good. Right They just stop killing them. And so no.
  9. demon184
    demon184 22 May 2014 15: 00
    +3
    It is unlikely that everything will quickly settle down in Ukraine, the flywheel has just begun to unwind. So it will be until Ukraine returns to its historical borders.
  10. St.S.S.
    St.S.S. 22 May 2014 15: 00
    +4
    Much clever and correct, but what I liked the most is this ->
    Therefore, in the place of the leader of the Russian Federation, I would cede to them in only one way, namely, I would give the right to independently choose a place I liked at the cemetery

    Well, I really liked it! hi
  11. arkady149
    arkady149 22 May 2014 15: 01
    +2
    "... the direct expression of the will of the people should be the supreme law for any politician."
    Everything else is from the evil one.
  12. 7776665554
    7776665554 22 May 2014 15: 01
    0
    Oh, these enemies of the Russian people, how they want to seem smart, sensible friends !!
  13. Unknown
    Unknown 22 May 2014 15: 02
    +7
    The best Ukrainian-Russian MALOROSIA!
  14. Provincial_71
    Provincial_71 22 May 2014 15: 02
    +5
    I liked the train of thought of Anatoly Wasserman. Especially - about the assignment of the right to choose a place in the cemetery :)
  15. APS
    APS 22 May 2014 15: 04
    +2
    If this does not work out, then the next most profitable option is to include all of Ukraine in the Russian Federation ...

    Yes, hold elections for joining the Russian Federation. The memory is a quarter of the population of Ukraine, the majority can vote for entry ... As a result, then we will judge the Nazis according to our laws, which are now being actively adopted by the way ...
  16. fly fishing
    fly fishing 22 May 2014 15: 04
    0
    Diman, good to play iPhone :-)
  17. Roshchin
    Roshchin 22 May 2014 15: 07
    +3
    A better breakaway and Russia-friendly buffer than a NATO single
  18. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 22 May 2014 15: 08
    +22
    Here are good poems .. I think the topic and what will happen just like that and nothing else
  19. skullcap
    skullcap 22 May 2014 15: 08
    +6
    A. Wasserman: “Preserving a united Ukraine is the best option for Russia”
    ---------------------------------------
    I agree, if Ukraine is kept at least neutral.
    But KIEV PEOPLE - AMERICAN PUPPETS - will not voluntarily go for it.
    Yes, and I do not believe that people and orcs can get along peacefully in one state.
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 22 May 2014 16: 36
      +1
      skullcap
      I agree, if Ukraine is kept at least neutral.

      Ukraine will never be neutral!
      Yes, and we have no faceless neighbor. To wait every day for a dirty trick?
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  21. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 22 May 2014 15: 09
    +6
    The whole of Ukraine under the control of mattress covers? No thanks. Radish horseradish is not sweeter. All of Ukraine as part of Russia will be more whole. My opinion.
  22. Humpty
    Humpty 22 May 2014 15: 09
    +4
    A state of clicks and Nazis at hand is not at all acceptable.
  23. Dave36
    Dave36 22 May 2014 15: 12
    +1
    The same Wasserman recently shouted about something else ... now he’s talking about the One ... that’s her essence ..
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 22 May 2014 16: 43
      0
      Dave36
      The same Wasserman recently shouted about something else ... now he’s talking about the One ... that’s her essence ..

      Then when Wasserman said something different, there were other events. And in Kharkov there was a fuss. How many conversations were for Odessa: - "Odessa will rise! Odessa will ask!"
      And today, it turned out that Lugansk and Donetsk were left alone! Two areas against the world - NATO + Europe + America + Ukraine.
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  24. Palych9999
    Palych9999 22 May 2014 15: 13
    0
    Medvedev is not a factor in world influence (his path is vice-rector for public relations Skolkovo)
    Tired of both Dill and the news from it
    If there really is someone who is already completely "unbearable" - then Russia is big, you will live with us, if the majority does not care about bendaralism - let them get along there.
    Everything will be formed by the winter itself;
  25. dmb
    dmb 22 May 2014 15: 13
    0
    Today: “But this is the formal side of the matter. As for the substantive side, it would be advisable for the Russian Federation to preserve a united Ukraine, but in the form of a federation, where the regions themselves determine what powers they would give to the Center, and what they would leave behind. The current government of Ukraine, of course, will protest against this with all its might, but for the Russian Federation this option would be the most beneficial. "
    25.04.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX "We can somehow influence the situation only by supporting those forces in Ukraine that, despite all the repressions, will not give up on promoting the idea of ​​Ukraine's reintegration with the rest of Russia to the masses. I do not see any other way in the current situation. . " And all this is Wasserman. And now those who mutter: "Putin will show himself yet," draw your own conclusions. Wasserman always hesitates with the "party line".
    1. vvvvv
      vvvvv 22 May 2014 15: 21
      0
      Well, you also need to understand that there are words, but there is, for example, that http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/26828501/yacenyuk-ukraina-sozyvaet-srochno
      e-zasedanie-sb-oon
  26. Alexey N
    Alexey N 22 May 2014 15: 19
    +4
    "Draining" is gaining momentum. Already the Russian "intelligentsia" has picked up the single karina.
    And no one is ashamed.
  27. alex-cn
    alex-cn 22 May 2014 15: 19
    0
    I would like a united Ukraine ... but it’s just that I don’t believe in this idea after everything that happened there ...
  28. Nikolav
    Nikolav 22 May 2014 15: 19
    +2
    “Therefore, in the place of the head of the Russian Federation, I would yield to them in only one thing, namely, I would give the right to independently choose my favorite place in the cemetery.

    Well said!
  29. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 22 May 2014 15: 20
    +2
    United Ukraine is an ideal option.
    But like any Ideal, it is usually at a fantasy level.
    Unlike the Crimea, where both the people and the authorities took a clear, tough and competent position, not the LPR is not the DPR, unfortunately they do not demonstrate this. And most importantly, they don’t demonstrate anything at all, except for the rare high-profile statements that remain so.
    Unlike Strelkov (so he is a soldier), there is no one else there. Gubarev is not heard, Pushilin and Bolotov are heard, but to no avail. They cannot even unite. Exit in a united front.
    While the Natsiks are not pushing hard ... The junta needs to be stretched and pseudo-elections held ... But then everything will be no longer childish ... When the gallant Western partners recognize Ukrov in chorus.
    True, a new alignment of forces has emerged: Timoshenko-Akhmetov ... And she threatened another Maidan. And then the Ukrainians will jump again, only against each other, and against "vatniks" and against in general and in principle ...
  30. 4elovek
    4elovek 22 May 2014 15: 20
    0
    “Therefore, in the place of the leader of the Russian Federation, I would have ceded to them (the Washington organizers and the Kiev executors of the coup d'etat) in only one way, namely, I would have given the right to choose my own favorite place in the cemetery.”

    +100 Onotole negodue am
  31. Anrie
    Anrie 22 May 2014 15: 24
    -1
    Wasserman is beautiful! One word - deses!
  32. Signaller
    Signaller 22 May 2014 15: 27
    +3
    Really, if you have Ukraine, then you need to get to Kiev. There is the Central Bank and the RCC with machines on which they print the hryvnia. Grandfather Lenin did the right thing, he immediately captured the central banks, the machine on which they also print the central connection. Everything else is secondary. Therefore, we do not need it, for sure. Let's live, even until the fall. And not see it.
  33. coolvoldik
    coolvoldik 22 May 2014 15: 27
    +2
    I support the most profitable option - this is the inclusion in the Russian Federation of the entire former Ukraine, with the exception of Galicia, in the form of several entities, well, let it be called New Russia !!!
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      1. tor11121
        tor11121 22 May 2014 16: 20
        0
        [quote = tor11121] Gigantomania which is not incurable. And what’s the benefit? Trying to cover a neighbor’s freezing body called a budget with a holey blanket, while freezing his own legs ...
  34. marder4
    marder4 22 May 2014 15: 27
    +1
    "Therefore, in the place of the leader of the Russian Federation, I would yield to them only in one thing, namely, I would give the right to independently choose my favorite place in the cemetery." - I especially liked this)))
  35. lis-ik
    lis-ik 22 May 2014 15: 35
    +3
    I remember not so long ago on the site was an article by Wasserman with his very opposite opinion, namely, that Ukraine will split into two, or even three parts. Opinion is changing for the sake of events taking place on the outskirts, but with such a pace of historical transformation you will not have time to adjust. Despite this, the main idea is sound and in my opinion the only true one.
  36. SBC
    SBC 22 May 2014 15: 37
    +3
    I agree. But only ONE NEW RUSSIA!
  37. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 22 May 2014 15: 52
    +3
    The best option is Ukraine, which will not be under the hood of the United States. But this is currently not possible, unfortunately. Therefore, it is necessary to fully support New Russia.
  38. volot-voin
    volot-voin 22 May 2014 16: 07
    0
    Quote: kosopuz
    “Preserving a united Ukraine is the best option for Russia”

    Unfortunately, the "best option" did not take place, it was enough for a maximum of 23 years. This unfortunate fragment of the Russian Empire-USSR will never be left alone by Russia's enemies. The dream of the US and UK State Departments is Ukraine-anti-Russia, a hostile state in eastern Europe similar to the Baltic states. The smithy of zombie youth ready to rip off our heads.
    Therefore, it is necessary to fully support New Russia and, as the best option, the reunion of the once united people of Russia, so that no one could ever use our brothers against us in fratricidal wars.
  39. kyznets
    kyznets 22 May 2014 16: 16
    0
    Now Europe is doing everything for Russia to annex the southeast of Uraina. Better yet, get involved in a war. It is true that for us, even November 2013, Ukraine was more profitable than joining the South East with all political, military, and most important economic problems. It’s not sugar that lives for us anyway. The economy is raw, unstable. The crisis is heading. Therefore, the game is going on around Ukraine - who will sit out for someone. And time is playing on us. If you attach, then let them fall apart first. To without blood, as with the Crimea.
  40. saag
    saag 22 May 2014 16: 20
    -3
    so, Anatole prepares public opinion for a drain, and the people, judging by the comments already "approved", expressed how predictable everything is however :-)
    1. tor11121
      tor11121 22 May 2014 16: 31
      +2
      What kind of plum are we talking about? Or do you prefer to send troops to Ukraine. Let’s fight Russia for Great Ukraine, and they, like rats, will sit in holes, and watch the show happening in the windows. Do you want to fight? You can of your own free will, the flag in your hands, now it's simple, no one is holding.
      1. saag
        saag 22 May 2014 16: 39
        +2
        I did not write anywhere about the introduction of troops, but about the indirect support of the republics. to see this became irrelevant, and it was a question of a united Ukraine, you can imagine it after Odessa, Mariupol and other Slavyansk with Kramatorsk, now they went to Lugansk, I wonder how people are inspired
  41. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 22 May 2014 16: 26
    0
    most likely disintegration is inevitable, BUT IF the people can kill fascism not only in Ukraine, but in themselves ... The state will live. And it’s good for everyone, so BUT it’s unreal!
  42. ks
    ks 22 May 2014 16: 27
    0
    Nonsense and read is not necessary, which means it will not give anything? The army principle (not for stellar ones) if you screwed up or confess right away or die, but don’t confess, Putin didn’t step back immediately, now you won’t turn on the back one.
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  44. kyznets
    kyznets 22 May 2014 16: 29
    +2
    Yes, not oddryams, but I do not want to fight for someone else. Where are the miners' battalions of Donbas? Where are the Luhansk battalions? Where? They work for Kpunk. And we must fight so as not to give them to the Nazis?
  45. Lavrov
    Lavrov 22 May 2014 16: 30
    +3
    Quote: aleks700
    Not any good. Right They just stop killing them. And so no.

    they’re not killing you, but us. Kill will not be for sure.
    1. Djein
      Djein 22 May 2014 17: 45
      -2
      [quote = Lavrov] Lavrov

      Take away the photo ............. You must be more modest ...... If the surname is similar, this does not mean that you need to greet .........
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  46. ks
    ks 22 May 2014 16: 30
    -3
    Here on the site are all the heroes, here’s a question: out of 140 million Russians, besides Putin, are there still smart people? Without wells, I think not.
  47. ks
    ks 22 May 2014 16: 34
    -1
    I specially ran, I’m here one ordinary, all the officers would be, complain sooner, otherwise it’s boring
  48. Motors1991
    Motors1991 22 May 2014 16: 40
    -2
    From Wasserman, the same predictor as from Globa: They know how to explain why their predictions did not come true, or simply quietly forget about them. But in fact Ukraine for the first time in over 20 years began to feel that it was not some kind of education for the Driban, but the state in in the full sense of the word. And judging by all of Russia, this state will have to endure, under its very side, for a very long time and even less it depends on Medvedev and Wasserman, and Putin can’t do anything about it. Ukraine has profiled Ukraine itself without outsiders help.
    1. Black
      Black 22 May 2014 17: 10
      0
      Quote: Motors1991
      Russia profuca Ukraine, itself without outside help.


      It seems that you think that Ukraine for Russia is a light in the window, and Russia for it is equal in importance to Uganda. I think not so.
      Russia (alas) not everything can afford. It would be nice to enter the Donbass - at least one battalion, the rest (before Galicia) would be done by the Ukrainians themselves, and now Ukraine would be both One and Indivisible !!!! Only, - all the dogs would hang on their feet, and God would know how China would behave.

      It seems (I really want to think) - not everything is over. And 25 is not a milestone date.
      1. Motors1991
        Motors1991 22 May 2014 17: 41
        -1
        And light, we are neighbors and we have nowhere to go from it, it’s not in vain that they say you need to choose not a house, but neighbors. And you would enter all the battalions. You create your own enemies, and then wonder why you are not loved.
        1. Djein
          Djein 22 May 2014 18: 42
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          [quote = Motors1991] not for nothing they say you need to choose not a house, but neighbors .......

          Golden words ... We do not have such an opportunity .... just like you have a conscience ...
          Who needs the love of people like you ..... who would need all this scribble, if in Ukraine EVERYTHING, or even the majority, were adequate people, the state and leaders would be friendly and fair, and would not drag them away from the Soviet Union it’s not your own, Crimea and especially SEVASTOPOL ... (this act will be a disgrace to Ukraine at all times) as shameful as the ability, after so many victims of all the peoples of the earth in the fight against fascists in the 21st century, to revive and give free rein to home-grown fascists and Bender a heap ....
          Normal people don’t like moral freaks and bastards in all countries and I deserve these freaks and they don’t have a nationality ... and when they don’t like them it’s normal and fair ... And to those who write that they don’t loves Russians, Ukrainians, French, Germans or anyone else, you need to go to the mirror and look at the chimpanzee that he sees there ... So return to the people's camp and everything will fall into place .... But who doesn’t help you to do this for sure, it’s the USA and Western Europe ... Whoever rules the ball and what is guided by this does not understand just the same chimpanzee .... whatever nationality she is ...
          1. Motors1991
            Motors1991 22 May 2014 20: 19
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            I don’t have to be rude, I’m a boor myself. A hangover passes, the moment the question arises: Did I do this? Did I break the dishes, beat the mugs, did I destroy the Temple? Will you still be ashamed to remember this period, and we really survive sometime.
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    2. VD chauvinist
      VD chauvinist 22 May 2014 18: 10
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      Quote: Motors1991
      Russia profuca Ukraine, itself without outside help.

      Ukraine was so proud of its nazalezhnost, immediately after the collapse of the USSR, proclaiming the thesis "Ukraine is not Russia." Now they have her for shortsightedness and frivolity. You might think that Russia had nothing but worries - but what about Ukraine? When it was hard for us, Ukraine grinned and shit at us quietly. It is you, the inhabitants of the left bank, who have gone through everything! RUSSIA SHOULD NOTHING TO ANYONE. They borrow it from her and don't give it back.
  49. Agent 008
    Agent 008 22 May 2014 16: 41
    0
    If the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics are with Russia (it does not matter, in a union or as a member), I give a guarantee - in 23 years we will go to Donetsk and Lugansk as if to Saratov or Voronezh ... And everywhere there will be friendly Russian people who will wondering to ask: "Ukraine? Where is it?
  50. Kamarada
    Kamarada 22 May 2014 16: 42
    -1
    Wasserman says smart things. Here are just Ukraine in the stage of collapse. . . How it will fall apart you can dream of a united (federal) loyal country, but for now you need to pump up your muscles. I think the masons in Ukraine will not stop