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"Motor Sich" - hugged and strangled

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Russian helicopters without Ukrainian engines will not fly far


Zaporizhzhya Public Joint-Stock Company Motor Sich does not need a special presentation. All readers, even those far from the “defense industry”, but from time to time visiting the MAKS air show in Zhukovsky, know that Motor Sich are engines. Engines for Mi and Ka helicopters, Be-200, An-148, An-124 aircraft. All this equipment is actively operated in the Russian Federation. But what will happen tomorrow with the “critical node” made in Ukraine? An indirect answer to this was given by Russian President Vladimir Putin, instructing the country's defense industry to get rid of import dependence. True, import substitution is by no means today's initiative.

Motor Sich is a Ukrainian company with a Russian market. So far, the list of projects speaks of the impossibility for a year, two or three to replace all the products of the Zaporozhye enterprise.

After the collapse of the Union, the enterprise from the state became private. And most of the securities of the former PO “Motorostroitel” are probably concentrated in one or several individuals. According to Ukrainian law, only information on shareholders owning ten percent or more of the share capital is subject to disclosure, therefore the exact composition of Motor Sich shareholders can only be estimated roughly by indirect data. At the same time, analysts of Ukrainian investment companies agree that at least 76 controls percent of the management, led by the former chairman of the board of directors of Motor Sich, Vyacheslav Boguslayev. This is also evidenced by the fact that as of 1 in November 2007, over 71 percent of shares were registered for nominal holders: 46 percent for Garant Invest limited liability company (Zaporozhye) and more 25 percent for open joint-stock company MFS ”(Kiev), and by November 2012, the ownership of 73,29 percent of the shares of Motor Sich PJSC was accounted for by the nominal holder - All-Ukrainian Securities Depository (Kiev). The rights to 14,99 percent of shares owned by an individual were also taken into account. At the same time, according to information for investors from the Motor Sich website, the registration of ownership rights of the company’s shareholders, by whom the company opened securities accounts based on the register of owners of shares received from the registrar in the process of dematerializing the issue of shares, was done by the custodian, a limited liability company Motor-Dealer, the founder of which was Motor Sich PJSC itself.

"Motor Sich" - hugged and strangledAt the beginning of 2013, the size of the authorized capital of Motor Sich JSC was 280 529 650 hryvnia (about 35 million dollars). The authorized capital is divided into 2 077 990 common inscribed shares issued in non-documentary form with a nominal value of HNUMX hryvnia each. At the same time, 135 percent of the securities was owned by 79 legal, and 254 percent by the 21 individual.

Famous individuals - owners of shares include 26 people from the company's management bodies, in particular Sergey Voitenko - Acting Head of the Board of Directors, Pavel Zhemanyuk - Technical Director, Alexander Boguslaev (son of Vyacheslav Boguslaev) - Deputy of the Zaporizhzhya City Council, Deputy Chairman of the Supervisory Board , deputy director of the international technical center of PJSC Motor Sich, Petr Kononenko - head of the Moscow representative office of the enterprise and general director of CJSC Borysfe n-Avia ”, Valentin Pasternak - member of the audit committee, Anatoly Tikhansky - chief accountant, Vladimir Shirkov - deputy general director for marketing and member of the supervisory board of PJSC“ Motor Bank ”.

Ukrainian legal entities - owners of Motor Sich PJSC shares: Garant Invest LLC, Garant Alfa LLC, Elena Trading House Closed Joint-Stock Company, Motor Garant Insurance Company, etc., were also established in due time by the parent company .

In turn, PJSC Motor Sich owns corporate rights (more than ten percent of the share capital) in 37 other enterprises that are its associated business entities.

During the post-Soviet period, Motor Sich has grown by foreign assets. Relatively recent acquisitions of steel 59,5 percent of shares of OJSC Orsha Aircraft Repair Plant (RB), which occurred 14 February 2012, and the establishment of 22 March 2012 th LLC Helicopters Motor Sich. The latter, contrary to the auditors' information about the 55-percentage, is under the absolute control of Motor Sich.

In addition, in 2012, the opening of the second stage of the Technical Center of Motor Sich JSC in the United Arab Emirates took place. In the new building of the center, it is proposed to re-motorize Mi-8 helicopters for the market of the Middle East and Africa.

Indispensable engine

The basis of the current monopoly position of the former Zaporozhye Motorostroitel Production Association named after the 50th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, and now the Motor Sich PAT, is the Soviet groundwork for the organization of serial production of a number of turboprop, turboshaft and turbojet engines, which became the basis of the Soviet aviation and still remain so, even in the realities of global production processes. In the late 50s and early 70s, Motorostroitel Production Association mastered the production of AI-20 and AI-24, TV3-117 and D-136, AI-25, AI-25TL, D-36 and D-18T .

By the end of the 80s, when the software was headed by Vyacheslav Boguslaev, one of the largest aircraft engine building factories in the USSR, which employed more than 35 thousand people, produced annually from four to five thousand 25 engines of modifications for 33 types of aircraft. These are AI-20, AI-24, AI-25, AI-25, AI-9, TV3-117, D-36, D-136, D-18T, TV3-117MHV gas turbine engines, TV1-9-NMN, X-3, AI-36, AI-4, AI-436, AI-1, TV2500-18, D-38, D-12, TV8-10XMA engine. -12 ser. 32A, D-24Т26 / TP, VK-30 for IL-40, IL-39, Be-8, An-42, An-72, An-74, An-124, An-225, An-140, An -74, Yak-300, L-334, K-200J, Yak-27, An-28, An-29, An-31 "Ruslan", An-32 "Mriya", An-50, An-50ТК-2 , Tu-52, Be-8 and Ka-14, Ka-17, Ka-171, Ka-172, Ka-24, Ka-25, Ka-26-28, Ka-35, Mi-XNUMXМТ, Mi- XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX, Mi-XNUMX.

With the collapse of the USSR, production dynamics declined, but Zaporozhye-made engines were still required for installation on helicopters and Russian-made aircraft. Currently, the company produces, conducts tests, accompanies the operation and repairs of 55 types and engine modifications for the 61 type of aircraft and helicopters for various purposes, which are operated in 109 countries of the world. In recent years, the company started mass production of aircraft engines AI-222-25, D-436-148, AI-450MS, TV3-117VMA-SBM1V for Yak-130 aircraft, the An-148, An-158, Mi-24, Mi-25, Mi-17, Mi-171 and preparations are underway for serial production of D-27, AI-222-25F, AI-25ТЛШ, AI-450М, МС-500 for aircraft An-70, L-15, L- 39, Mi-2M helicopters, etc.

Motor Sich helicopter engines are a product with a stable sales market, the bulk of which is in the Russian Federation. Zaporozhye engines are equipped with new Mi-26, military Mi-28Н, Mi-35, Ka-32А11ВС, Ka-31 and military transport Mi-8 (Mi-17). Motor Sich produces engines not only independently, but also ships engines of VK-2500 and TB3-117 types of various modifications to the Russian enterprises, as well as D-136.

In addition to the Russian market, the Chinese market remains important for Motor Sich in the context of the supply of Russian helicopters there. So, in December 2008, a contract was signed with the Chinese side for the supply of 63 TV3-117ВМ engines for Mi-171 helicopters.

The price range of the products supplied was very wide. In 2012, the TB3-117BM 2 series engine cost the Army Aviation of the Armed Forces of the Ministry of Defense of Peru 1,12 million dollars, while it was purchased from Motor Sich for 0,85 million by VIP-Avia Corporation (Saint Kitts and Nevis). A year later, a similar operation was repeated, but prices rose to 1,15 million dollars and 0,87 million dollars, respectively. The price of such engines for Russian helicopter factories was 0,685 million dollars, and for OAO Klimov less than half a million dollars without purchased units.

Not less in demand than helicopter engines are used in Russia and the D-436 aircraft engines, which are also mass-produced at Motor Sich JSC. In 2007, PJSC received the supplement No. 3 to the MAC certificate of the D-436Т1 type (ТП) and began mass production of the D-436-148 engines for the An-148 passenger aircraft. During the period of 2008 – 2012, 46 of such engines was supplied to the Russian Federation. The price for VASO varied from 1,84 million dollars in 2008 to 2,2 million dollars in 2011 – 2012. The delivery was made without paying customs duties on the following conditions: freight (carriage) paid to the place of delivery of the city of Voronezh. In particular, in the 2012 year ten new D-436-148 by 2,2 million dollars for VACO, four new D-436-148 by 2,3 million dollars for GP Antonov through IFC and two new D-436-148 by 3,118 million were exported dollars for Borisfen-Avia (paid in Russian rubles) on delivery terms to Moscow.

Two new D-436TP for the multipurpose amphibious aircraft Be-200 were exported in December 2012 of OAO TANTK named after G. M. Beriev (Taganrog) by 2,47 million dollars. Another similar engine in November 2012 was received by LLC Borisphen-Avia at the price of 2,4 million dollars (equivalent in Russian rubles). For the first time in the former Soviet Union, this engine was approved by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) for compliance with European airworthiness standards as part of the Russian seaplane Be-200ЧС.

The delivery of AI-222-25 engines for all Yak-130 combat training aircraft ordered by the Russian Ministry of Defense and manufactured by Irkut for export are also crucial for Russia. The engines are assembled by FSUE NPT Sakhut gas turbine building, which works in cooperation with Motor Sich. Gas generators are obtained from Zaporozhye, and at the Salute itself they make the “cold” part of the engine and produce its final assembly. According to Boguslaev, 2011, in conjunction with Salyut, produced 40 engines AI-222-25, in 2012-m - 64.

As part of counter deliveries, Salyut ships sets of “cold” AI-222-25 parts assigned to it to Zaporozhye, where they are final assembled for further deliveries under their own export contracts with China. The operation of AI-222K-25 aircraft engines provided by the Ukrainian side is maintained to ensure flight tests of the L-15 training aircraft. Delivery of AI-222K-25, AI-222K-25F aircraft engines and component parts for the L-15 aircraft (the contract was signed in December of 2005). A long-term contract was signed with China for the supply of a new, modern AI-222K-25 engine. In total, 2012 AI-29K-222 engines were tested during 25, and 20 was shipped to the customer, AVIC International Holding Corp., at a price of 1,765 million dollars each. Apparently, their refinement to the AI-222K-25F circuit should already take place in China, since Ukrainian sources announced the export of such engines that provide thrust to 4200 kgf in the afterburner supersonic L-15 training aircraft.

The production of D-27 propulsion engines for the An-70 military transport aircraft is also a “common brainchild” of Salyut and Motor Sich. According to Vladislav Masalov, General Director of UC United Engine Corporation (UEC), the current contract for the manufacture of D-27 for the An-70 is not, and the 13 engines were manufactured for testing.

Regarding the prospects of its mass production, it is considered either to maintain full cooperation with Motor Sich, in which the Russian enterprise will need to invest about 80 million rubles in the additional production of equipment and for several months, or finish assembling and testing the engine at the Salyut base with obtaining components from Motor Sich ”, which will require two billion rubles and two years to implement the project, or full development of the engine production, which is estimated at five billion rubles and four years. The decision on the choice of one of the three options will be taken by the Ministry of Defense of Russia.

Critically important, but the least well-known direction is the production in Zaporizhia of single-shaft engines TRDD R-95-300 (ed. 95, RDK-300, MS-400), which were used on subsonic strategic cruise missiles of type X-55 and X-55CM. They were also used on tactical missiles X-59М, X-35 and ship-type 3М10 and 3М24. Serial production of such engines was started in Zaporizhia back in 1982 year. The engine was produced in large series - in some years, the production reached 1500 units.

Despite claims that the Russian Saturn engines, 109 aircraft turbojet engines with thrust force 2,89 kN Р95ТМ-300 192 thousands of dollars each are purchased in 2012 by the Russian corporation Tactical Missiles for installation on missiles are already installed on the new versions "Air-surface" X-35.

Competitive projects

In addition to cooperation relations, Motor Sich is known for the implementation of projects that are competitive with Russia. Back at the beginning of 2000, the head of the company, Vyacheslav Boguslaev, announced plans to create a production of helicopter equipment in Ukraine. At the first stage of the program of the Ukrainian helicopter industry, the priority was the modernization of the old Mi-8 and Mi-2 by installing new engines.

In November, Vyacheslav Boguslaev was appointed General Designer of Ukraine for the creation and modernization of helicopter technology by the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine Vyacheslav Boguslaev. The same decree approved the list of types of products to be developed and implemented in production and operation, as well as modernization under the guidance of the newly appointed general designer. Within the framework of the received powers, the enterprise should have mastered the work on the overhaul and modernization of helicopters, including through their remoterization. We are talking about helicopters such as the Mi-2012 and Mi-2T (P).

According to the first type, development work was carried out on upgrading the Mi-2 helicopter to the MSB-2 profile with the installation of AI-450М engines (М1) and its certification with new navigation and radio communication equipment, as well as launch of the Mi-2MSB full-scale helicopter. It is believed that the project is in the final stage, although the certificate or addition to the type certificate, as well as the production approval certificate, has not yet been received.

With the support of Motor Sich, starting from 2011, the production activities of the bankrupt state enterprise Vinnitsa Aviation Plant were resumed and the X-NUMX overhaul of Mi-38 helicopters was completed. 2 million hryvnia (about 12 million dollars) was allocated for the repair of the first fifteen, while the total contribution of the Zaporozhye enterprise to the repayment of debts and the modernization of production of VIAZ has already reached 1,5 million dollars. After completion of the rehabilitation procedure, it will become the tenth plant - Motor Sich branch and will be referred to as LLC VIAZ. Today, in addition to the repair work, this enterprise is working on preparing for the modernization of the Mi-15MSB and MSB-2 profiles, including the replacement of GTE-2 engines with AI-350М produced in Zaporizhzhia.

Orsha Aircraft Repair Plant has been determined as another site for serial production of MSB-2 helicopters since 2015. As stated by Vladimir Troitsky, General Director of the enterprise, in 2014-m, according to the contract, the company must release and begin certification tests of two Mi-2MSB. According to his version, their price will be 550 – 600 thousand dollars.

It is noteworthy that Motor Sich with the same AI-450M engine also participates in a similar project to upgrade the Mi-2 to the Mi-2М variant at Rostvertol, part of the Russian Helicopters holding company.

At present, certification and state tests have been carried out within the framework of the design and development work “Jmil” (Bumblebee) in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine of a modernized Mi-8MSB (P) helicopter, a number of records have been set. As a result of October 28 2011, the State Aviation Administration of Ukraine issued an additional type certificate No. ДТВ-0003 for the Mi-8MSB helicopter with the TV3-117ВМА-СБМ1В engine. 4E.

At various times, it was supposed to start production of remotorized Mi-8MSB at a number of different enterprises in Ukraine and abroad. At first, the Konotop aircraft repair plant was called as the lead contractor. In the autumn of 2012, Boguslaev himself, in response to a question about the place of work, said that Aviakon was not quite suitable and that the repair will be done in Zaporozhye, on which 6,5 million dollars had already been spent on preparatory work and obtaining additional certificates. This was probably due to a change in the status of the plant during the creation of the state-owned concern Ukroboronprom. As a result, Helicopters Motor Sich LLC was established in Zaporozhye, which received a certificate of approval for the production of aircraft equipment, which was headed by Alexey Enin, former director of the Aviakon aircraft repair plant. A considerable part of its employees also moved from Konotop.

In addition, according to Boguslaev, the launch of the remotorization of helicopters was being prepared at the Kiev Aircraft Repair Enterprise “Zavod 410 GA”. According to the information for December 2013, the performance of any work there on this subject was discontinued.

In November, 2012-th during a ceremony held in Sharjah (UAE), Boguslaev noted that with the launch of the second stage of the Motor Sich Middle East center, new engines of the fifth generation can be installed on helicopters, which were created specifically for countries with hot climates. The first technical center of PJSC "Motor Sich" in the UAE was opened in December 2007. They carried out maintenance, spare parts and motor engine repair for helicopters operating in 25 countries of Asia and Africa.

The fifth and so far the main contender for the production of remotorization was Orsha Aircraft Repair Plant, actually acquired by Motor Sich at the beginning of 2012. In September, 2013-th plant director Vladimir Troitsky said that the business plan was designed to repair 20 – 60 helicopters a year. At the same time in the current year, one Mi-8MSB was assembled and the work on the second machine ends. Both helicopters will become the property of Orsha Air, registered in August by the owners of the plant.

The question of real production volumes still remains unclear. There is no clarity with orders. In April 2012, Boguslaev announced that the portfolio of orders for the Orsha Aircraft Plant for the current year includes contracts for the modernization of 19 helicopters: 12 aircraft for Mongolia and seven for the Belarusian government, which will provide the Belarusian asset Motor Sich with orders by the end of the year. In the fall of 2012, he also announced that a protocol had been signed with a large helicopter company from Yamal and a protocol of intent for the remotorization of Mi-8 helicopters with the Voluntary Society for Assisting the Army, Aviation and the fleet (DOSAAF) with the new T3-117VMA-SBM1V engines. Re-equipment will be carried out at the Moscow Helicopter Repair Plant. At the end of November 2013, Mexico was declared interested in purchasing 14 Mi-8MSB.

It is difficult to predict the prospects of both the described projects of remotorization. The following is credible. The register of civil aircraft of Ukraine as of 6 December 2013 of the year included only two modernized Mi-8MSB helicopters: reg. UR-MSF number (head 9744312) and reg. UR-MSB number (serial number 9732911). A year earlier, the third modernized helicopter - reg was registered. UR-MSK number (head 3618). As of December 2013, an additional type certificate No. DTV-0003 is recognized as valid in the Republic of Peru and the Republic of Belarus. On the validation of the Ukrainian additional certificate in the Russian Federation and the Aviation Register of the Interstate Aviation Committee, announced by Boguslayev in October 2012, is not yet known. Information on the export of Mi-8MSB helicopters from the territory of Ukraine or Belarus to other countries has not yet been reported.

To cooperate or not?

Get rid of the Ukrainian engine-building is impossible. The prospect of worsening relations at the state level, of course, may affect the level of cooperation in 2014. However, the fact remains: Russian helicopters without Ukrainian engines will not fly yet.

Despite the renewed import substitution, from the point of view of the current situation on the helicopter market, Motor Sich has a good ten years left to carry out, if not equally massive, export of new engines to Russian customers, then at least guaranteed sales of repair services , technical support and supply of spare parts for power plants of the already operating Mi and Ka helicopter fleet.

The main prospects of the company are still connected with the Russian helicopter market, the steady growth of which is the key to the further prosperity of the Ukrainian enterprise. The already concluded contracts allowed and allow the Cossacks from year to year to increase production volumes, in parallel trying to diversify their activities.

This is caused, in particular, by an attempt to develop its own helicopter program, both in terms of remotorizing the existing fleet, and in creating new samples of similar products. As far as these attempts are successful, the near future will show, but it is impossible not to notice that in the process of their implementation Motor Sich will face not only the Russian industrial lobby, which initiated import substitution processes in the part that touched Zaporozhye engines, but also with the grandees of the global helicopter industry, who, possessing colossal resources and political weight, will try not only to oust Russian helicopter construction, which is not enough in 90, but also to prevent the emergence of new competitors in the face of Ukraine developers and manufacturers.
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  1. roman72-452
    roman72-452 22 May 2014 18: 45
    +30
    We are moving in the right direction; we cannot depend on foreign deliveries for our defense industry.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 22 May 2014 18: 51
      +22
      Quote: roman72-452
      You cannot depend on foreign deliveries for our defense industry.

      and under the sanctions sauce, stop titanium components for any Boeing
      1. VAF
        VAF 22 May 2014 21: 35
        +11
        Quote: andrei332809
        and under the sanctions sauce, stop titanium components for any Boeing


        +! drinks I got to the place ..TV3-17VM, ser.2 for army aviation and .. stopped reading further.
        Dear author - TV3-117.Ser.2 and TV3-117MT, and for sailors TV3-117VK hi
        1. not main
          not main 22 May 2014 23: 20
          +3
          Quote: vaf
          Quote: andrei332809
          and under the sanctions sauce, stop titanium components for any Boeing


          +! drinks I got to the place ..TV3-17VM, ser.2 for army aviation and .. stopped reading further.
          Dear author - TV3-117.Ser.2 and TV3-117MT, and for sailors TV3-117VK hi

          With all due respect, but I did not see this blunder. An article in the topic. That's just the resuscitation of Mi-2 raises great doubts. Who needs a (economically) 3.5 ton helicopter if Robins performs his tasks?
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 23 May 2014 16: 27
        +1
        Quote: andrei332809
        and under the sanctions sauce, stop titanium components for any Boeing

        Close chtoli plant? Who will benefit from this? By the way, who are the shareholders of the plant, who owns it?
        1. ty60
          ty60 April 26 2017 00: 56
          0
          Boeing has nothing to do with it, you can only lift the price with reference to sanctions. But this is the market, just bargain SOMETHING from technology.
      3. Rostislav
        Rostislav 31 October 2016 11: 44
        +1
        Stop selling titanium and close high-tech production?
        This is currently unrealistic.
        This can be done either with a critical aggravation of relations, or if the Moscow Region can buy this titanium for its needs.
    2. Interface
      Interface 22 May 2014 20: 11
      +27
      The base of the current monopoly position of the former Zaporizhzhya Motor-Builder Production Association named after the 50 anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution


      This is how you look and wonder how the “ineffective Soviet economy” made it possible to build enterprises without any “foreign investor”. And history textbooks tell about the arbitrariness of the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, dissidents and "stagnation".
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 22 May 2014 22: 15
        +10
        Quote: Interface
        And history textbooks tell about the arbitrariness of the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, dissidents and "stagnation".

        They also say that Beria is an enemy of the people, but under his tough leadership the atomic bomb was supervised and a lot of industry, and its history was written off as a tyrant of the people.
        The Soviet Union’s planned system sat like a bone in the throat of capitalism if it weren’t for the second world .... it’s even hard to imagine what would happen to our economy and industry now.
        And "Motor Sich" should be bought on the vine like "Yuzhnoye" as long as the dollar is in price and the Kharkov tank enterprises will not interfere.
      2. igor_m_p
        igor_m_p 23 May 2014 01: 18
        +5
        Quote: Interface
        And history textbooks tell about the arbitrariness of the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, dissidents and "stagnation".

        You read the wrong textbooks, comrade !!! laughing
    3. Sterlya
      Sterlya 22 May 2014 21: 36
      +3
      Quote: roman72-452
      We are moving in the right direction; we cannot depend on foreign deliveries for our defense industry.

      In this direction it was necessary to start daaavnooo. Until the cock pecks, as the saying goes. In such a strategic issue, depending on the outskirts is almost a crime against the country (for those who decide such issues)
      1. Interface
        Interface 22 May 2014 21: 56
        +3
        I agree! Only the existing socio-economic system does not allow the transition to the isolated production of all types of military equipment. To do this, you need to smoke for years over each industry, and not so much that we develop machine tools separately, and we buy electronics from Intel. The experience of the USSR is proved.
      2. timer
        timer 23 May 2014 00: 32
        +1
        Our comments would be in the ears of our unfortunate leaders (by the way, after all, we chose them). But it's better late than never. Our military-industrial complex is obliged to produce and invent any equipment needed by the army, aviation and navy of the Russian Federation!
        As for MOTOR-SICH, I’m sure that you don’t need to buy it, as some commentators write here. It’s necessary to integrate all the engine building. plants into a single holding, attracting scientific personnel and actively creating new generations of engines, an order of magnitude better than MOTOR SICH is doing now!
        1. igor_m_p
          igor_m_p 23 May 2014 01: 23
          +2
          Quote: timer
          As regards MOTOR-SICH, I am sure that you do not need to buy it, as some commentators write here.

          It also seems to me that it makes no sense to buy it. That hemorrhage will turn out.
          As for the holding, I don’t know, but in principle, on the basis of some existing enterprises, it is necessary to build completely new plants, with the prospect of engines that have not even begun to design.
          1. ty60
            ty60 April 26 2017 00: 49
            0
            To buy production in the country where the civil war is really going on, to the evil grandmother .... should I continue?
    4. avg
      avg 22 May 2014 23: 18
      +1
      For a long time, instead of storing US bonds, it was necessary to build their own engine-building plants. And then they carried nonsense about the alleged acceleration of inflation and other nonsense, but now they realized it when it was already smelling fried.
      1. ty60
        ty60 April 26 2017 00: 27
        0
        There is technology - ditching the demand for the enterprise to buy qualified personnel at the level of technology experts, at the level of developers. Someone just to take out. Someone to interest. Someone will force
        b really
        , on the crime of the caught. It is high time to organize a new direction in the special services area. Strategic developments. And not Skolkova, I’ll give it to my neighbors. Take the necessary things out of the valleys. The Cossacks sent to the necessary enterprises with the corresponding knowledge make the difference — they gave the hot part of the engines to dill. Nobody thought then, the second Gorbachev is all about .. L. It is necessary to work. ALL !!! MUCH !!! Fix EBN jambs
  2. Commandor
    Commandor 22 May 2014 18: 49
    +7
    We need each other. Russia - engines, Ukraine - jobs, cash. Politics is politics, but business is business. The West does not need Ukrainian engines; they simply do not see the need for this. Everything is divided between European concerns there. I hope that helicopters will fly, and people who produce these beautiful engines will be happy to continue exporting them to Russia ...
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 22 May 2014 19: 01
      +18
      Quote: Commandor
      We need each other. Russia - engines, Ukraine - jobs, cash


      Yes, we need it, but if the Ukrainians try to throw us, then although we will have difficulties for the first time, we will sustain and set up our production, but this plant will certainly bend without Russian components. And nobody needs his products except us.
      1. Evgeniy1
        Evgeniy1 22 May 2014 19: 25
        +10
        The situation cannot be called UNEXPECTED, for this it was necessary to SERIOUSLY prepare for 10-12 years ago, when the anti-Russian policy of Ukraine was only being formed with US money. Why we, as in 41, were completely unprepared for "this"!
        "Who is to blame and what to do!?"
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 22 May 2014 20: 23
          +3
          Quote: Eugene1
          "Who is to blame and what to do!?"

          "WHO is to blame .." - punish! "... and WHAT to do" - shoot!
        2. Who
          Who 22 May 2014 22: 32
          +3
          Russia produces its own engines of a certain class. And in 2015 under St. Petersburg "Klimov" will already be producing 600 units. different engines. So everything is in order, we have been preparing for import substitution for a long time.
      2. Evgeniy1
        Evgeniy1 22 May 2014 19: 25
        0
        The situation cannot be called UNEXPECTED, for this it was necessary to SERIOUSLY prepare for 10-12 years ago, when the anti-Russian policy of Ukraine was only being formed with US money. Why we, as in 41, were completely unprepared for "this"!
        "Who is to blame and what to do!?"
        1. anfil
          anfil 22 May 2014 20: 03
          +5
          The situation cannot be called UNEXPECTED, for this it was necessary to SERIOUSLY prepare for 10-12 years ago, when the anti-Russian policy of Ukraine was only being formed with US money. Why we, as in 41, were completely unprepared for "this"!

          Well, I think that they were preparing, a message from 23.07.2011,
          At present, information has been received about the withdrawal of the Zaporozhye enterprise Motor Sich OJSC from the program, which implies the organization in Tatarstan of the assembly production of MC-500B engines for light helicopters of the Russian Federation of the Ansat type on the basis of the Kazan Helicopter Plant. The company's management, represented by the Russian holding Russian Helicopters, refused the offer to equip its helicopters with Ukrainian engines. According to representatives of Motor Sich, the signing of the project with Kazan colleagues was in the final stage, where they managed to work out all kinds of aspects of cooperation, determine the technical and financial aspects of the proposed cooperation.
      3. PATHuK
        PATHuK 22 May 2014 21: 29
        +1
        Quote: mamont5
        ... then we, although there will be difficulties the first time, but we will withstand and establish our production


        If I am not mistaken, an enterprise for the production of engines for helicopters is already working under Peter. It’s just that production volumes have not yet reached full capacity, but this is a matter of time.
        1. VAF
          VAF 22 May 2014 21: 38
          +2
          Quote: PATHuK
          An enterprise for the production of engines for helicopters is already operating under Peter. It’s just that production volumes have not yet reached full capacity, but this is a matter of time.


          It starts to work. But the kits are still Motor-Sichevsky ... but at full power ... with the best layouts ... so through .. in short .. a lot.
          About blades for turbines ... in general ... ambush recourse
          1. ty60
            ty60 April 26 2017 00: 44
            0
            Sorry, but the turbine blades for Su and MiGs in Ukraine do? There are no problems there? There are differences, and significant ones. However, it is necessary to make sharing technologies for the country's security.
      4. ty60
        ty60 April 26 2017 00: 35
        0
        Who needs anyone? Work, no one has canceled industrial espionage. Collect technologies from different industries, from different countries, comprehend. Recycle, not 41 years old. Then you did it!
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 22 May 2014 19: 20
      +10
      Quote: Commandor
      Politics is politics, but business is business. The West does not need Ukrainian engines; they simply do not see the need for this.

      This is why this enterprise is so eager to fill up. Ukraine will once again increase its dependence on the EU and Russia will slow down its projects in the aviation industry.
      Where not to throw, Motor Sich is needed by us and Ukraine itself, but not by the Western proteges managing the remnants of Ukraine
      1. common man
        common man 22 May 2014 21: 41
        0
        If only it were understood in Ukraine.
      2. ty60
        ty60 April 26 2017 00: 37
        0
        Not needed. Even Ukraine itself. Experiencing childhood illness. Read Lenin, he was not right in everything
    3. Glavmec
      Glavmec 22 May 2014 22: 26
      0
      Why, why them! I built airplanes, so the best engine was - Ufa; went to the oil industry - bought for utilization of gas of their PAES, because Efficiency is the lowest, a lot of gas is needed, duck repair for ... tormented!
  3. Arh
    Arh 22 May 2014 18: 49
    +6
    Clear pepper military production should be located entirely in the Russian Federation !!!
  4. saag
    saag 22 May 2014 18: 51
    +1
    The only adequate person in Ukraine, it’s a pity if they ruin his case
  5. Grenz
    Grenz 22 May 2014 18: 51
    +17
    Much has been written.
    Therefore, for those who so stubbornly on the site stood up for the Italian "Lynx" an object lesson.
    "Cooperation with foreign partners in the military-technical sphere?" Hooray! Or the punishment for our short-sightedness.
    Mistralists on the site raged. Without Mistrals we will not overcome the enemy. So what. Roped up again.
    How much can you repeat the same thing.
    There will be no sword forged in a foreign smith, a reliable weapon.
    You have to do your own and try to do well.
    We rake again the problems created by our own hands.
    Here, neither NATO, nor the United States, nor the EU-themselves again plagued.
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 22 May 2014 22: 56
      0
      There will be no sword forged in a foreign smith, a reliable weapon.

      +! (+!)
  6. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 22 May 2014 18: 52
    +7
    Ukraine is flying into the abyss. And she naively believes to drag us there)))
  7. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 22 May 2014 18: 52
    +2
    And Ukraine needs us, and Ukraine we need .... And all this discord is beneficial only to those who do not want to see Russia and the CU as one of the poles of this world .......
  8. Same lech
    Same lech 22 May 2014 18: 53
    +8
    Motor Sich will face not only the Russian industrial lobby, which has initiated import substitution processes in the part affecting Zaporizhzhya engines, but also the giants of the world helicopter industry,

    And who else besides RUSSIA is interested in maintaining such production in UKRAINE.
    Western competitors will gladly drown such an engine manufacturer ... business is nothing personal.
  9. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 22 May 2014 19: 01
    +4
    Yes, we are in trouble with the "brothers" ... All weapons must be made in Russia! no Misrales, etc. shouldn't be!
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 22 May 2014 22: 30
      0
      It seems that the order for Misral was made for the Ukrainian crisis. Frogs were substituted.
  10. homosum20
    homosum20 22 May 2014 19: 04
    +15
    That's right, guys - you have to learn to do it yourself. under socialism they did everything themselves - the United States still cannot repeat something. And it is advisable not to step on the same rake - do it where the bulk of the population will always be against secession. Where? Yes, a lot of such places. Any of you will call. And with multinational political correctness it is necessary to tie it up - let's bend nafig, after all.
    Yes, I forgot - it’s still in absentia to give an article to Gorbachev and Yeltsin for crimes against his country. And then it’s strange - Hodor served 10 years for tax evasion. And thanks to this, we have been paying taxes to the State Department for 23 years - and for this, nothing?
  11. yushch
    yushch 22 May 2014 19: 07
    +6
    All this is sad ... .And teaming with Russian Helicopters, what would be the most powerful production.
    1. ty60
      ty60 April 26 2017 01: 01
      0
      United in whose territory.?
  12. Oml
    Oml 22 May 2014 19: 10
    +1
    Still, Ukraine would not sell engine technology to China or others.
  13. Alekseev
    Alekseev 22 May 2014 19: 13
    +11
    With these helicopter engines there are too many chatter and statues.
    One of the last nepros..h Svidomo Soviet production.
    Yes, in Ukraine in Zaporozhye, a serial plant with well-established production and Russia, it was simply profitable to buy engines there, which with an unprecedented increase in the production of turntables in Russia required a lot, but there is still repair in many countries of the world.
    But ... now buying anything in Ukraine is not at all profitable, but dangerous. yes
    Therefore, for the production of helicopter gas turbine engines (by the way, all of them were developed in Russia by Klimov Design Bureau), a new effective mass production was built. It will provide the state order in full. Motor Sich, if they do not break apart the broad ones, also has the ability to retain a portion of commercial orders.
    Maybe...
    1. Andreitch
      Andreitch 22 May 2014 20: 08
      0
      Details, please?
    2. ty60
      ty60 April 26 2017 01: 07
      0
      Only for engine service. All contracts for the supply of turntables with Motor Sich engines already implemented, edit in terms of component supply. For new deliveries, a separate line for components of Ukraine, with sanctions for non-delivery.
  14. Signaller
    Signaller 22 May 2014 19: 14
    +4
    Motor Sich this year should deliver about 2000 thousand engines TV 3-117 but will it put ?????? Our work, but so far, according to the press, for 500 pieces, no more, enough strength. And the engines for the Ka, Mi helicopters are needed as air. So we think.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 22 May 2014 21: 21
      +1
      Quote: Signaller
      Motor Sich this year should deliver about 2000 thousand engines TV 3-117 but will it put ?????? Our work, but so far, by print, for 500 pieces,

      for MS 2000 this is the norm ... besides it is about 30%, that is, the share of the Russian market in the total order of MS.
      In Zaporozhye, this is a factory that has always been cherished, not allowing "effective managers" to poke their way there.
      So the plant will deliver 2000, the main thing is to ensure peace in its sites and on the sites of its contractors.
      This is money, this is business and no one is interested in disrupting cash flows ...
  15. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 22 May 2014 19: 15
    +10
    There are two options: either Zaporozhye becomes Russian, or there is no faith in producing Khokhlov at home, and besides, they are controlled from across the ocean.
  16. Evgeniy1
    Evgeniy1 22 May 2014 19: 18
    +2
    Quote: saag
    The only adequate person in Ukraine, it’s a pity if they ruin his case

    It’s not a question of a man or his business, here GREAT POLICY and NATO wants to inflict maximum damage on the Russian Air Force
  17. Klim2011
    Klim2011 22 May 2014 19: 18
    +2
    You read about the successes of Motor Sich after the article about Poghosyan and the words of the censored are not muya.
  18. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 22 May 2014 19: 18
    +4
    Quote: Silkway0026
    Ukraine is flying into the abyss. And she naively believes to drag us there)))

    Therefore:
    Spread the abyss into small gravel and concrete it by order of the Commander-in-Chief.
    To tame Ukraine to work of a meaningful and fair life, also by order of the Commander-in-Chief.
    Border Russia-Ukraine to make an exhibit of the Museum of the period of Western obscurantism.
  19. Sibiryak1303
    Sibiryak1303 22 May 2014 19: 19
    +6
    An engine from England with a production license was purchased for the first Soviet jet aircraft, our scientists dismantled the 2 engine for cogs, drew up the drawings, and after 4 months we checked the Soviet engines and put into serial production. I don’t see any problems, ours can do everything good good
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 22 May 2014 20: 28
      +1
      Quote: Sibiryak1303
      I don’t see any problems

      There are a lot of problems with mass production.
    2. jagdpanzer
      jagdpanzer 22 May 2014 20: 51
      0
      I’m not a connoisseur of engine building, but now other technologies, other metals, other temperatures and requirements, so now it will not be possible to repeat. This has been developed over the years and not in 4 months. China is still suffering.
      1. Raven1972
        Raven1972 22 May 2014 21: 43
        +2
        Quote: jagdpanzer
        I’m not a connoisseur of engine building, but now other technologies, other metals, other temperatures and requirements, so now it will not be possible to repeat.

        And we do not need to repeat - all of these engines are developed in the NGO named after V.Ya. Klimov in St. Petersburg, and now they built a plant for the production of engines, there was infa by the way about this at the VO. So not everything is lost drinks hi
        http://klimov.ru/ вот ссылочка если интересно soldier
  20. Nitarius
    Nitarius 22 May 2014 19: 30
    +2
    pick up ALL ALL eastern UKRAINE and WILL BE OUR!
  21. uzer 13
    uzer 13 22 May 2014 19: 37
    +6
    I don’t like the monopoly of a foreign manufacturer, and even in military defense. For 23 years, nothing has been done in Russia to get rid of dependence on Motor Sich, and this can be regarded as a crime against the interests of the state. That is, in the government There are some forces in the Russian Federation that are actively lobbying for the interests of Ukrainian manufacturers. This applies not only to the production of aircraft engines, but also to ferrous metallurgy products, food products, etc. The loyal attitude towards bribe takers and corrupt officials in political circles is a factor hampering the development of Russian industry. including the military-industrial complex.
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 22 May 2014 22: 39
      0
      Because half the government is x..la and the other half is e ... and.
      1. Dadasi
        Dadasi 22 May 2014 22: 51
        0
        I agree to 150% =)
  22. individual
    individual 22 May 2014 19: 38
    +3
    Well, and who smashed Russian science and industry?
    Not everyone survived these shameful days.
    But Chubais, all in chocolate, is still in demand for the Russian government.
    And what did he do?
    - NOTHING!
    Now, again and again, swallowing grievances, we will restore and create what could be preserved and reoriented for the benefit of the Russian state.
  23. Giant thought
    Giant thought 22 May 2014 19: 38
    +2
    If necessary, we will do everything ourselves.
  24. Des10
    Des10 22 May 2014 20: 00
    +1
    The Chinese are copying and perfecting, trying to understand and create new things.
    Who (what) interferes with making the engines of the Russian Federation with its scientific potential and financial capabilities?
    There would be a desire. “Make a responsible decision.” - Ilyushin.
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  26. Strashila
    Strashila 22 May 2014 20: 20
    +1
    It is neither we who depend on them, but they are on us ... without our orders they will be covered with a basin.
    Yes, there will be no amenities ... but for Russia it is temporary ... and for them it is fatal.
    The West in Ukraine destroys its competitors in aviation, rocket, shipbuilding, in the field of military-industrial complex working for export.
    Apart from Russia, by and large, no one needs it.
  27. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 22 May 2014 20: 26
    0
    Engines are traditionally our weak point. We need to develop production in Rybinsk and Perm ... right up to the development of the entire line of necessary engines ... you can use the reliable "Chinese" experience at the first stage ... Copying with improvement ...
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 23 May 2014 20: 02
      +1
      What kind of copying? This is all Soviet hurt, and we should have the whole set of drawings. Otherwise, on what basis did we begin to produce at the new St. Petersburg aircraft engine plant a modernized engine for our modern helicopters.
  28. super-vitek
    super-vitek 22 May 2014 20: 28
    0
    My opinion is that in spite of the prevailing, extremely difficult political situation, one cannot turn away from the "sich", but it is also necessary to speed up the issue of import substitution! It is a pity that there are few patriots and enthusiasts of their business in this area! Plus, of course, comprehensive CORRUPTION, by the way, for this in the same China DEATH !!!
  29. shitovmg
    shitovmg 22 May 2014 20: 32
    +1
    I do not agree with the author! I faced a problem in the early 80s, at the new checkpoint at Belaz a 5 mm hole was not drilled deep into the hull. They suffered for 1,5 months. until we found out the reason! And the "Protons" are ours? Also from such irreplaceable friends, they settle in the basements of insurance companies in the form of green pieces of paper in other people's pockets ... Both Perm Motors and Rybinsk Motors are not loaded, in one shift, they work instead of round the clock ...
  30. sv68
    sv68 22 May 2014 20: 34
    +1
    no need to panic, not small children. yes, of course it will be difficult, but engines for aviation should only be done in the country. The main desire and need will be engaged in engine building in Russia
  31. VladimS
    VladimS 22 May 2014 20: 40
    +3
    It is necessary to invite specialists of this plant in Russia, in name.
    With the arrangement here of them and children.
    As the USA and Europe do now, China
  32. Velesovich
    Velesovich 22 May 2014 20: 52
    +1
    Today, in the territory of the former Ukraine, nobody cares what will happen to Motor Sich itself in the event of a trade break with Russia. Yes, Russia will suffer. Yes, it will have to invest billions in import substitution. Yes, deliveries within the framework of the state defense order will be postponed for several years ... But Russia will be able to create a similar production for itself and create thousands of technological jobs on its own land. And at the same time, a lot of personnel should be dragged from Zaporozhye. And what will happen to one of the last strongholds of Ukrainian high technology?
    1. saag
      saag 22 May 2014 21: 19
      0
      Quote: Velesovic
      create thousands of tech jobs

      are there any personnel?
  33. Mikros
    Mikros 22 May 2014 20: 57
    +2
    I remember the information sounded that the motors are Motor Sich, but most of the components of these motors come from Russia. The engine is going and again to Russia. And, one wonders, from what will they be assembled motors, if they are completely undone?
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 22 May 2014 21: 56
      +1
      Quote: Mikros
      I remember the information sounded that the motors are Motor Sich, but most of the components of these motors come from Russia.

      Already wrote above, I will share with you a link where Sich’s engines come from
      http://klimov.ru/ Теперь при объединении Климова построен и уже работает завод по производству двигателей , пока ещё не на полную мощность но наращивают постепенно hi
  34. Palych9999
    Palych9999 22 May 2014 21: 14
    0
    Option - to outbid brains and hands (along with technical documentation in suitcases) - this is reasonable, I wrote about this for a long time (according to "Satan")
    But the carelessness of the wise men of the 2020 program for the rearmament of the Armed Forces is striking - that, then it was not visible where the Outskirts were "rowing"?
    How can one be tied to the semi-mass production of military aviation without having its own engine production?
    What is the military-industrial complex without its own engine building?
    And in general, except for the 2 factories under construction on the S-400 (500), in fact, for almost 25 (!!!!!!) years, NO ONE industrial company (in general, not just the military industrial complex) has not been built in the country !! !
    But only from gas and oil do we have more than 1 trillion. rubles per year.
    "Where is the money, Zin?"
    So we launch (without commissioning) 1 submarine per 5 years, one "boat" per year (large ships - all Soviet), 10-15 combat aircraft per year (and only Tu-16 had more than 1000, Mig-25 more than 1000, etc.)
    We are “hiding” the Armata for the 5th year (maybe there is nothing to show), the T-50 without an engine will still fly until at least 2017, etc.
    Financing the defense industry with loans, and even at 12-14% per annum, isn't this the "fifth column"?
    We change the Serdyapkins to the Rogozhkins (those are still specialists ...), and THE CASE SHOULD BE DONE, THE CASE!
    Sad ...
  35. Cristall
    Cristall 22 May 2014 21: 29
    0
    Quote: Palych9999
    But the carelessness of the wise men of the 2020 program for the rearmament of the Armed Forces is striking - that, then it was not visible where the Outskirts were "rowing"?

    which is strange, when I saw the "plan to strike against the aggression of the RF" from Ukraine (it described the damage to the RF Defense Program from the Ukrainians) I thought it was all exaggerated, inflate the significance. And how do you know that all Ukrainians (including directors and owners) will take and will not work for the Russian Federation (it’s foolish to think that they will give up money from work, just not to “get ahead”)
    What losses will the Russian Federation suffer (what losses will Ukraine incur sponsors do not care) in US dollars if the States themselves have invested about 5 billion *?
    Is it really that simple to invest such an amount and inflict substantial damage on an opponent that exceeds this amount? Is it that simple?
  36. Velesovich
    Velesovich 22 May 2014 21: 31
    0
    Quote: saag
    Quote: Velesovic
    create thousands of tech jobs

    are there any personnel?

    Well, not so bad with our staff. There are certainly problems. But I would not rush to bury production in Russia. There have been too many such "burialists" in history :)
  37. Aleksandr65
    Aleksandr65 22 May 2014 22: 07
    +2
    Well, what an amazing country is ours, Russia ?! Was it really unclear in 2004 (the Orange Revolution) what exactly would be THAT!? Over the course of these ten years, ten such productions could have been done - instead of Skolkovo, for example. And the sense would be 10 times more. in any case, I would have done just that!
  38. Nikxnumx
    Nikxnumx 22 May 2014 22: 17
    +1
    Quote: Sibiryak1303
    An engine from England with a production license was purchased for the first Soviet jet aircraft, our scientists dismantled the 2 engine for cogs, drew up the drawings, and after 4 months we checked the Soviet engines and put into serial production. I don’t see any problems, ours can do everything good good

    This is in the USSR, now half of the country is a trader, and the second protects them. Who should work?
  39. jovanni
    jovanni 22 May 2014 22: 30
    0
    Do it yourself. There is nothing left.
  40. jekasimf
    jekasimf 22 May 2014 22: 33
    +1
    I hope that by the end of the year, all Motor Sichs, Antonov Design Bureau, Nikolaev shipbuilding and other factories will not be in the territory of Ukraine, but in Russia, or the DPR. This is the best option ... laughing


    That already lifted the site, with its auto-change text!
  41. Sasha75
    Sasha75 22 May 2014 23: 46
    +1
    Quote: Sibiryak1303
    An engine from England with a production license was purchased for the first Soviet jet aircraft, our scientists dismantled the 2 engine for cogs, drew up the drawings, and after 4 months we checked the Soviet engines and put into serial production. I don’t see any problems, ours can do everything good good


    Well, like Mikoyan, they won them in billiards, as it was from his memoirs, but we didn’t sell the material for turbine blades and we invented it ourselves more than one day, so anyway we had to modify it ourselves so that we need to do everything ourselves or steal technology In the USSR, the KGB was specifically engaged in this, and we live on it now, what remains is that they don’t want to sell technology, like the Chinese need to steal and rivet insolently and are not embarrassed.
  42. Zomanus
    Zomanus 23 May 2014 00: 25
    0
    Yes, it’s just dangerous to buy defense equipment in Ukraine right now. Well, either disassemble everything to the screw and, after checking, collect it back. And what do you constantly say about the 23 of the year for which Russia has done nothing? In the best case, it is necessary to count the years since 2005, when Russia neutralized the danger of collapse and began to grow.
  43. nod739
    nod739 23 May 2014 00: 29
    0
    Quote: Commandor
    I hope that helicopters will fly, and people who produce these beautiful engines will be happy to continue exporting them to Russia ...

    or work abroad, in the sense in Russia, at least in demand
  44. Fiero
    Fiero 23 May 2014 01: 21
    0
    And here many still this year considered it "wrong" to buy all the necessary specialists and again create these production on the territory of our country
  45. awg75
    awg75 23 May 2014 07: 16
    +2
    As I understand it, the article was written by the Motor Sich press center. but in general "Motor Sich" is a karachun in the near future: the West needs a competitor like a hare a makhorka, and Russia doesn’t resist such a reliable supplier as Ukraine. study agriculture gentlemen and get ready to grow sunflowers is your topic
    1. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 23 May 2014 09: 06
      0
      "Motor Sich" passes off wishful thinking, but reality is very sad for them. No orders from Russia, death of an enterprise, no options. The new "authorities" do not care.
  46. Cristall
    Cristall 23 May 2014 11: 23
    +1
    Quote: awg75
    . study agriculture gentlemen and get ready to grow sunflowers is your topic

    What to study there, so there were quite record harvests of this culture .. exported it where it is not laziness. Simultaneously with the engines. So one does not interfere with the other.
    The market share of the Russian Federation in the production of MS-30%! And it is steadily decreasing (it was 70, then 50% in 2011, already 30%) MS is diversifying, as the Russian Federation is reducing purchases.
    It is impossible to say that the MS will die without Russian orders. But 30% is a significant part. MS will fight for it. Boguslaev said that nobody simply refuses markets, because it is very difficult to conquer.
    Whether the current Ukrainian authorities want it or not, but economically Ukraine is doomed to cooperate with Russia and other CIS countries. And the termination of such cooperation can be too expensive.
    Some Ukrainian companies, for which the CIS market is a key one, since 2012-2013, when Kiev openly headed for Europe, have begun to create subsidiaries and joint ventures in Russia in order to maintain their presence in the space of the Customs Union. Thus, one of the largest Ukrainian car manufacturers, the Kryukovsky Carriage Works, in February of this year, founded a joint venture with the St. Petersburg Kirov Works, which will produce cars for the metro and electric trains. Motor Sich and the Russian United Engine Corporation set up an engineering center in Moscow in mid-March to jointly develop a range of engines for aircraft and helicopters. Finally, Ukrainian Antonovs are assembled at Russian aircraft factories.
    Motor Sich began to develop the MS-500V for Russia back in 2010 after signing a licensing agreement for its production. The engine was intended for the new light training Russian Ansat helicopters. They were intended to replace the American PW-207 power plants by Pratt & Whitney, which are equipped with Russian helicopters. It was a question of supplying 370 units, which would provide the Ukrainian manufacturer with revenue of over $ 400 million.
    Motor Sich planned to bail out $ 400 million for helicopter engines in Russia
    But in 2011, Russian Helicopters refused Motor Sich products, deciding to equip their Ansat with Canadian PW-207K engines, although already in 2012 Ukrainian engines were supposed to be powered by 20 Russian cars. The Russian press said that Canadian counterparts were 500% cheaper than the MS-40V, which forced the Russians to give them an advantage. Then Motor Sich decided to convince the Russian side to take our engines nevertheless, having offered a 85% stake in the project (against the 15% that had been agreed upon earlier). But this argument did not convince Russian Helicopters. Since then, the share of Russian orders in the overall structure of Motor Sich has decreased from 50% to 30%, and the export of Ukrainian products to Asian countries has begun to grow.
    Project Importance
    According to Aleksey Andreichenko, senior analyst at ART Capital, the MS-500V is of great importance to the Ukrainian enterprise: it was developed by the company's own engineers, unlike other helicopter engines. In particular, the AI-450 was created at the Progress Design Bureau (Zaporozhye), and the main serial helicopter engine TV3–117 appeared at the Klimov Design Bureau (St. Petersburg, Russia). After the failure of Russian Helicopters, Motor Sich tried to find application for these engines in Southeast Asia and Ukraine. For other serial engines - TV3–117, D-436–148, D-436TP, AI-222–25, D-136 - cooperation with Russia continues, the expert added.
  47. Cristall
    Cristall 23 May 2014 11: 24
    0
    What is interesting to Europe
    Of these engines in Europe, small quantities of TV3–117 may be of interest for the remotorization of Mi-8 helicopters, Andreichenko believes. The remaining engines are for aircraft and helicopters that are not used in Europe. Motor Sich has other developments that today are not serial, for example, the MS-14 for light-engine aircraft, which theoretically can be used on European aircraft. The plant can also direct efforts to promote its mobile power plants in Europe, but at the moment this type of product is not the main one for the enterprise. The main demand for such products is observed in the gas producing regions of Russia and Central Asia.
    Hard to call a replacement
    President of Motor Sich Vyacheslav Boguslaev does not intend to refuse to cooperate. “We do not leave any markets and do not change them to other ones, these are all nonsense,” he threw to the journalist of Capital in his hearts. According to him, the company operates in 120 countries and is trying to gain a foothold in them. “We fight for each unit of products sold. New markets must be conquered. We are trying to gain a foothold in those markets where they trust us, they know us well. Both Russia, and China, and Sudan will not cease to be our sales markets, ”Boguslaev noted.
    It’s too early to say that Motor Sich has begun diversifying supplies, says Alexey Andreichenko. “It was just an opportunity to conduct more substantive negotiations with Polish colleagues against the backdrop of a warming of our relations,” the expert explained.
    Interestingly, the Russian Federation is reducing its share, while China is vice versa. It will soon come out so that it will be much more profitable for Zaporizhzhya to work with China and in general with the Asian market than with the Russian Federation.
  48. Victor1
    Victor1 23 May 2014 13: 14
    +2
    Ideally, the Zaporizhzhya region would return to Russia, and there would be no unnecessary problems with the engines, especially since the plant was built by the Russians.
  49. goose
    goose 23 May 2014 17: 46
    0
    Quote: Alekseev
    With these helicopter engines there are too many chatter and statues.
    One of the last nepros..h Svidomo Soviet production.
    Yes, in Ukraine in Zaporozhye, a serial plant with well-established production and Russia, it was simply profitable to buy engines there, which with an unprecedented increase in the production of turntables in Russia required a lot, but there is still repair in many countries of the world.
    But ... now buying anything in Ukraine is not at all profitable, but dangerous. yes
    Therefore, for the production of helicopter gas turbine engines (by the way, all of them were developed in Russia by Klimov Design Bureau), a new effective mass production was built. It will provide the state order in full. Motor Sich, if they do not break apart the broad ones, also has the ability to retain a portion of commercial orders.
    Maybe...

    Based on business principles, unification, of course, is necessary. But first, you need to destroy 37% of American influence in Motor Sich due to security risks.
  50. Cristall
    Cristall 23 May 2014 19: 12
    0
    Quote: goose
    37% of American influence in Motor Sich must be destroyed due to security risks.

    where is the data from?
    Even if it’s true, that these 37% do not want to make money?
    And the third is 30% of the market (which is decreasing) of the Russian Federation and 37% of the influence (not yet confirmed by you) with the ever increasing importance of the Asian market for the MS., And strangely China is not worried about "37% of the American influence on the MS."