Putin explained the reason for the withdrawal of Russian troops from the borders of Ukraine

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Vladimir Putin, who is in China on a state visit, explained the reason for giving the order (as Supreme Commander) to withdraw the Russian troops who participated in the exercises in the areas bordering with Ukraine to places of permanent deployment. The president said that the withdrawal of troops is aimed at creating favorable conditions for holding the 25 elections in May in Ukraine. Reports about it RIA News".

Putin explained the reason for the withdrawal of Russian troops from the borders of Ukraine


Vladimir Putin:

Our troops were not already on the border, they were really close enough to the border, and you probably heard about it, some time ago I instructed the Ministry of Defense to withdraw them ...

Once again I want to emphasize that this was done not because we are embarrassed to keep our troops there, we are a sovereign state and keep our troops where we want, but to create additional benevolent conditions for the upcoming elections in Ukraine (May 25 presidential election) so that there is no speculation around this, this decision was made.

If someone does not see what is happening there, let them better see.


Anatoly Antonov, Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia, noted earlier that Russia would withdraw the troops, but did not understand exactly how far such a withdrawal from the borders with Ukraine should be in order to calm the West.

A few hours before Vladimir Putin’s speech, the West again accused Russia of building up its military presence near the borders with Ukraine. Representatives of the Ministry of Defense called this point of view of Western partners a political order.

Will the West and Kiev appreciate Vladimir Putin’s step?
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    1. +16
      21 May 2014
      UNCLE VOVA MUZHIK !!!!
      1. +9
        21 May 2014
        Maybe the truth, or maybe not?

        Turchinov signed an agreement with the IMF on the provision of financial assistance to Ukraine, thanks to which the entire gas transportation system of Ukraine from the moment of signing the final main agreement on financial assistance

        GETTING FREE
        transferred to the ownership of the American company Chevron, owners
        Mariupol, Zaporizhzhya, Dnepropetrovsk Metallurgical Combines are OBLIGED to transfer 60% of the shares of companies to the ownership of the GERMAN Ruhr company, the coal production of Donbass is transferred to the FINNISH daughter of Ruhrl.

        Territories near Kharkov are being transferred to the NATO bloc to host the American missile defense systems, the American aviation link to cover missile defense facilities !!
        (Source - First Deputy Ambassador of the Czech Republic to Poland).
        1. +6
          21 May 2014
          The first deputy ambassador of the Czech Republic told you this himself, or is there a link?
        2. +4
          21 May 2014
          And where is sovereignty, where is the independence that so many shout about? And for this, glory to Ukraine? Glory to the heroes?
          1. sergej591910
            +22
            21 May 2014
            Anecdote in the topic:
            A Ukrainian family is sitting at home. There’s nothing to eat ... Well, the garny lad went hunting. I set a snare, caught a hare. Brought home alive, gives it to his wife: "Well, they say, cook it, zhinka!"
            The wife replied: "How to cook?"
            Boy: "Fire, or what!"
            Wife: "On what?"
            Lad: "In oil."
            The wife is gone ... Comes:
            "Listen, we don't have oil ..."
            Boy: "Then on lard!"
            The wife climbed into the cellar, comes:
            "Listen, there is no bacon either ..."
            Boy: "Then just fire!"
            The wife is gone, comes again:
            "Honey, we don't even have gas ..."
            The lad out of grief takes the hare by the ears and out the window: "Damn you!"
            And the hare runs into the forest and shouts: "GLORY to Ukraine! GLORY to the heroes !!!"
          2. 0
            22 May 2014
            yes not glory, but fat to heroes, heroes of fat
        3. +5
          21 May 2014
          Quote: Sith Lord
          Maybe the truth, or maybe not?



          Lipa, while there is no legitimate authority, no one will go to such transactions
          1. +7
            21 May 2014
            Quote: bulvas
            Lipa, while there is no legitimate authority, no one will go to such transactions

            Well, there will never be legitimate authority in Ukraine. And soon Ukraine itself may not become. So the West may have to forge iron on the spot. Moreover, with the exception of missile defense, this is all assignment to private companies; they are only indirectly related to state power. With missile defense it is more difficult, but it is impossible to exclude a leak to evaluate the reaction and to provoke Russia again.
          2. +1
            21 May 2014
            Quote: bulvas
            Lipa, while there is no legitimate authority, no one will go to such transactions

            They have just given the IMF 3,2 billion under which guarantees do not apply.
            1. -1
              21 May 2014
              Quote: Sith Lord
              They have just given the IMF 3,2 billion under which guarantees do not apply.


              And they gave this money without guarantees. So if they (the Navy) did not do it. There is very little vulgarity for the elections to the European Parliament. They would have completely lost their "trust" without this tranche. And this money is "collected" from all countries of the European Union.
          3. +2
            21 May 2014
            Quote: bulvas
            Lipa, while there is no legitimate authority, no one will go to such transactions

            Here I am about the same.
        4. +1
          21 May 2014
          Quote: Sith Lord
          Territories near Kharkov are being transferred to the NATO bloc to host the American missile defense systems, the American aviation link to cover missile defense facilities !!

          If so, then Kharkov will certainly be helped to separate and no pro will save.
        5. +2
          21 May 2014
          Quote: Sith Lord
          GETTING FREE
          transferred to the ownership of the American company Chevron, owners
          Mariupol, Zaporizhzhya, Dnepropetrovsk Metallurgical Combines are OBLIGED to transfer 60% of the shares of companies to the ownership of the GERMAN Ruhr company, the coal production of Donbass is transferred to the FINNISH daughter of Ruhrl.


          It seems to me that this is not true.
          If Ruhr "gets it", Then they "cross the road" E-ON and RWE. And this is already a big intra-European or, more precisely, an intra-German war. This will mark the final split among energy suppliers in Germany. And no one knows what consequences this will have.
        6. +1
          21 May 2014
          this is nonsense Mr. Sith !!! do not read scary tales at night
        7. Daemon
          +7
          21 May 2014
          Quote: Sith Lord
          Coal production of Donbass is transferred to the Finnish daughter of Ruhrl.


          yeah, now they’re waiting for them there, they won’t wait already, there soon full nationalization will begin and no one will talk to them, because Turchinov is not recognized as president;)
        8. 0
          21 May 2014
          This will not happen ... Rather, there will be a bare steppe ...
        9. +1
          21 May 2014
          I think such goals would not have been missed by the GDP otherwise our SVR and GRU would break through "fat from the fly"
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      2. +10
        21 May 2014
        Anatoly Antonov, Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia, noted earlier that Russia would withdraw the troops, but did not understand exactly how far such a withdrawal from the borders with Ukraine should be in order to calm the West.
        We won’t even take them away from the Urals. I’m tired of the west, there’s nothing to take away, I’ll put them there all the time and let them sit. We still have to put the field.
        1. +7
          21 May 2014
          If you do not notice the withdrawal of troops east of the Ukrainian border, you must withdraw to the west! The center of Europe will be just right.
      3. jjj
        +12
        21 May 2014
        The whole point is that Western intelligence services again "slept through" the redeployment of Russian military units. It was not carried out yesterday. Well, the Commander-in-Chief noticed: they say, when the clouds scatter, everyone will see. Invisible movement of troops is aerobatics of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff
        1. MBA78
          +5
          21 May 2014
          = strong army = even if it will be in Africa - it will still interfere with the palate
        2. +24
          21 May 2014
          In my opinion, the Kiev Reich will begin the denouement in the second or third week of June, after negotiations on gas. There will be a serious buildup of ukrovoysk in the South-East at times, heavy artillery will be brought up. It turns out that the assault will begin at the end of May at the beginning of June, Akhmetov's punitive forces will operate inside, Putin has no choice, since the Reich will not compromise under any circumstances, which, in principle, the junta does not hide. After the "elections", the destruction of the DPR is a matter of time, if Russia does not provide assistance to the South-East, the consequences for Russia itself will be catastrophic, the GDP rating will fall to the administrative resource, and in a short time, Russian militias may appear on the territory of Russia itself, which Western puppeteers will certainly take advantage of ...
          Someone, something said about the protection of compatriots, the Federation Council gave the go-ahead to the president to send troops to protect them and at the same time puffed out like roosters at dawn from their own determination. How did it end? We are already ready to assist the junta in holding elections, refused to support the protesters against the junta in southeastern Ukraine. Our "stop babysitting!" with gas slipped to the next verbiage.
          And that's all after Odessa and Mariupol.
          In the short term, if the gdp follows this path, it will undoubtedly strangle the sprouts of the Russian revolution, but not for long, because based on this situation, the Russians will perceive everything that happens as follows: Odessa Khatyn where the Russians were burned, there was no punishment when the Russians were indignant, the same Khatyn happened, only now in Russia itself and in the Donbass.
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          2. +1
            21 May 2014
            don't lose heart, IOwTZ
            not so dark
            you just need to disperse on your territory, so that without stopping by inertia to Brussels! good
          3. +7
            21 May 2014
            Quote: IOwTZ
            We are already ready to assist the junta in holding elections, refused to support the protesters against the junta in southeastern Ukraine. Our "stop babysitting!" with gas rolled down to the next verbiage.
            And that's all after Odessa and Mariupol.

            Tough and fair! ..
            The problem is that "there is no shouting to Olympus", the authorities all over the world hear the "voice of the people" only when it is convenient for them.
            I don’t know what the President’s plans are, I still want to hope that decisiveness will be shown .. But in front of the South-East, even in spite of their "Laziness, unwillingness to fight," I, as a Russian, am ashamed.
            1. +3
              21 May 2014
              Once again I want to emphasize that this was not done because we are embarrassed to keep our troops there, we are a sovereign state and keep our troops wherever we want, but to create additional favorable conditions for the upcoming elections in Ukraine (presidential election of 25 on May) , so that there is no speculation around this, this decision has been made.


              It's just that VVP is a gentleman, worried about the health of some western old women, otherwise some of them are already tearing their "roof", asking to recognize the elections in Ukraine, which have not yet taken place.

              German Chancellor Angela Merkel called on Russian President Vladimir Putin to accept the results of the presidential election in Ukraine, scheduled for May 25 2014, and to respect the decision of Ukrainian voters, Deutsche Welle reports.


              Well, figs to you, not elections wassat
              1. +4
                21 May 2014
                Quote: anfil
                Well, figs to you, not elections

                1. +2
                  21 May 2014
                  I’m saying that there will not be any 25 elections in May.

                  If earlier on the air of the Public Radio, the deputy chairman of the CEC, Andrei Mager, said that voting at individual polling stations is unlikely to take place as such. And from the point of view of the law on presidential elections in Ukraine, election results are set regardless of the number of polling stations or the number of constituencies in which elections did not take place. "
                  Magera stressed that these elections are extremely important, as their result will remove any claims to the legitimacy of the Ukrainian government.

                  And now 112 already refers to CIS-EMO, to the legal case that not all of Ukraine (the situation in Crimea) can vote.

                  CIS-EMO was created and registered in Russia in September 2003 as an international non-governmental organization.


                  igordok, does this surprise you?
                  1. +2
                    21 May 2014
                    Quote: anfil
                    igordok, does this surprise you?

                    In Ukraine ..... nothing can surprise me.
                  2. 0
                    22 May 2014
                    But what kind of elections can there be, what legitimacy, what is it all about, when this happens in the country, but the elections will be held, in any situation the West with the jackals-barkers will recognize them and will sing out loud about their legitimacy, and Russia will be accused of not all the troops were withdrawn anyway !!
                    Vladimir Vladimirovich, God bless you, I think he teases all this trash by stating that he has withdrawn the troops, waiting for the reaction of these bumps, then scoffs at them, the more they bark and condemn, the worse they do to themselves
          4. +6
            21 May 2014
            Quote: IOwTZ
            We are ready to assist the junta in conducting elections


            Somehow you are not farsighted reasoning. By removing troops from the border, Putin deprived the West of the next option of justifying the failure of elections in Ukraine. Now it’s impossible to say that the elections failed because of the creation of an unfavorable situation and the escalation of tension in the country by Russia, which is increasing its armed forces at the border.
            He said so: "so that there is no speculation around this", i.e. in other words: "you yourself fucked up - we have nothing to do with it"))

            And to return the troops - just spit. You can always start new teachings.
            1. +2
              21 May 2014
              Quote: PATHuK
              Now it’s impossible to say that the elections failed because of the creation of an unfavorable situation and the escalation of tension in the country by Russia, which is increasing its armed forces at the border.

              Who told you that it won't work ?! They don't hesitate to lie about the journalists, but Russia "indignantly objects"! WHAT? WHO do you think they hear in the West?
              ..By the way, by not allowing the Ukrainian warriors to fly over our territory, we will give them a reason to scream "about hiding the truth" - and this will be immediately picked up by all Western media. BUT ONCE AGAIN TO BEND UNDER THEM !! am IS NOT MUCH HONOR? !!
        3. 77bob1973
          0
          21 May 2014
          I don’t understand one thing, but where are the troops deployed in the immediate vicinity of the border with Ukraine? Maybe you just need to stand your ground and explain that there is nowhere to divert, except for the Urals!
      4. +15
        21 May 2014
        Already proven!
        1. jjj
          +1
          22 May 2014
          And here without laughter. The blacks have such a foot structure that they cannot skate for long and hard. I saw it myself. Our relative was adopted by such a baby. Now he is already an adult. So, skis and skates were always a torment for him. And he runs, he jumps superbly, even in cold weather. Well, if Black’s skeleton structure was different, then hockey, skiing and biathlon would be completely different
      5. 0
        21 May 2014
        It is necessary to move the border farther to the west, then there is no need to disturb the troops.
      6. -1
        22 May 2014
        And now the "progressive", there is nothing to cover. Russia did not interfere with the elections, but on the contrary helped.))
    2. +8
      21 May 2014
      Will the West and Kiev appreciate the wide step of Vladimir Putin?

      Of course not appreciate.
      1. raf
        +6
        21 May 2014
        These scum never appreciated and will not appreciate the good! They understand only power, and Russia, unfortunately, does not want to show it. Then at least cut off the gas, to hell, so let the rats run hohlyatsky and geyropeyskie.
    3. +11
      21 May 2014
      Yes, he shouldn’t explain to anyone, or explain anything .... He added gas. Got allies. All. Now you can wait for the election of ukro-prezik (followed by the 3rd Maidan and the complete collapse of ukro-economy) and the elections to the European Parliament ....
      1. sergey261180
        0
        21 May 2014
        Quote: DanSabaka
        Gas attached. Got allies. All. Now you can wait for the election of ukro-prezika

        The real president of Russia must do three things: add gas, have an ally, and grow a tree receiver. lol
    4. +5
      21 May 2014
      This is not an obstacle for the Airborne Forces, and for attack aircraft too.
    5. +14
      21 May 2014
      You can take it away. Show goodwill. But if necessary, what will hinder us from troops from Siberia to drop even on the western border of Ukraine during the day?
      1. +1
        21 May 2014
        ... what’s stopping us from dropping troops from Siberia even on the western border of Ukraine during the day?


        Moreover, in July last year, the training was already there!

        According to the Ministry of Defense, up to 160 of thousands of military, 1000 units of tanks and armored vehicles, 130 planes, helicopters and long-range bombers, 70 ships were involved in the exercises. The exercises were led by the chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov.
        Military personnel have to make marches on standard equipment with a length of up to 500 kilometers to the combat training mission area

        Well, we 500 verst, two elbows on the map laughing
    6. 0
      21 May 2014
      So now the border is controlled by the militia of the DPR. Here the troops have been withdrawn. The elections will be held for the illegitimate staging of the United States and the troops will return. Already on the border of the new union republic.
      1. +1
        21 May 2014
        in fact?
    7. melnik
      +1
      21 May 2014
      We will take the troops to the Urals, put on skirts and we will DOWNLOAD. If after This they don’t choose ... I don’t know.
    8. +1
      21 May 2014
      than we didn’t amuse the child. if you don’t cry! how long would they be deployed troops or even enter. if necessary.
    9. +2
      21 May 2014
      The first thought that arises is what is the connection? Well, between the deployment of our military units and the Poroshenko elections in Washington for Kiev, which have already taken place in fact.
      1. +14
        21 May 2014
        To bring down a wave in the west. They are shouting that if the elections fail, Russia is to blame, and we will defiantly withdraw the troops. So it will be even more difficult to explain any disruption of the election by our actions to the Yankees. Little Bear also said not in vain that we were not hired to ensure the integrity of Ukraine. In which case, of course, we will be blamed anyway, but to an even larger number of European politicians these accusations will be ridiculous. The geyropa is not a whole and the GDP is working diligently on recruiting allies. As if the Yankees did not drive a tantrum, but the degree still falls. If 2 months ago all of Europe was waiting for our tanks, now this is no longer there and a tantrum turns against them. They are shocking with sanctions, and we are repairing the primus and are not doing anything evil. They sponsor an army of ukrov and executions of civilians, and we call for peace and negotiations. Every day they look dumber, especially since they have no result in Ukraine. And even if then we intervene, then clearly we will not succeed in exposing us to villains and there will be no isolation.
        1. +2
          21 May 2014
          Quote: g1v2
          and we defiantly withdraw troops.

          And who said that we take away? All Western media say the opposite, so no matter where ours are. With the same success, they might not have taken it away ..
          1. +3
            21 May 2014
            And I’m not saying that what and how we do it, but how it is served there. Now, if they had smeared a gas and oil tap simultaneously from the heart, then they would have listened to what the Minister of Defense said, and zero .. The weak do not hear and do not listen, but only point and order .. All our peace initiatives are empty sound no more ..
    10. +3
      21 May 2014
      On the day of pseudo-elections, Russia begins to conduct exercises in the immediate vicinity of the border with the former Ukraine, so that’s all the norm. We are always there)
    11. +6
      21 May 2014
      Will the West and Kiev appreciate Vladimir Putin’s step?

      ... if only all the armed forces of Russia are "redeployed" to the Far East, but then, again, Japan will howl ...
      So, where you don't "take" Putin the Army and the Navy, you won't please everyone.
      1. PiP
        +2
        21 May 2014
        Quote: ia-ai00
        "relocated" to the Far East

        I took it off my tongue laughing - wanted to offer Sakhalin laughing Then the crisis will begin already in the Far East and everything will go in a circle, Japan will demand to withdraw, we will transfer to the north, some Greenland will start to cry, etc.
    12. Gloria45
      +2
      21 May 2014
      21 May 2014, 16: 29 (Moscow time) | Politics | RIA News
      Some Ukrainian radicals have already been detained in Russia, Putin said
      SHANGHAI, May 21 - RIA News. Representatives of some Ukrainian radical groups have already been detained in Russia, said Russian President Vladimir Putin.


      “We are most attentively watching all the movements of some radical groups in Ukraine, there are already detainees in Russia,” Putin told reporters.

      “The FSB’s bodies are quite closely monitoring their movements in Ukraine and their movements across the Russian-Ukrainian border,” he said.
    13. +3
      21 May 2014
      And, for the umpteenth time already withdrawing troops? Moreover, they stated that they were not there.
      Somehow, everything is muddy ... smile
    14. +1
      21 May 2014
      Well, the troops moved, you think. For the troops, this is just another routine of deployment-deployment. It will be necessary - moved where necessary and very quickly.
    15. +1
      21 May 2014
      Decisions are made by the president - you have to wait.
    16. 0
      21 May 2014
      Statements are being made that ordinary citizens may perceive as a refusal of support from Russia for new state entities in the territory of New Russia. Maybe it would be better to say that the troops are being withdrawn in order to exclude provocations and accusations of pressure on Ukraine from Russia during the election period?
      1. +7
        21 May 2014
        Quote: Sergey Eagle
        Maybe it would be better to say that the troops are being withdrawn in order to exclude provocations and accusations of pressure on Ukraine from Russia during the election period?

        he already said so
    17. +3
      21 May 2014
      But I do not quite understand the meaning of this withdrawal of troops .. On the one hand, Moscow has repeatedly stated that it considers the current government in "Ukraine" not legitimate and even called it JUNTA, but now it wants to facilitate the normal conduct of "ELECTIONS"? Is it possible that these "elections" will be followed by the recognition of their results ...
      1. +5
        21 May 2014
        Quote: alexdol
        but now he wants to contribute to the normal conduct of "ELECTIONS"?

        sure. not with the junta because he talk
        1. -1
          21 May 2014
          Quote: Lukich
          not with the junta because he talk

          Really..
        2. +3
          21 May 2014
          And that as a result of the elections, someone from the junta will come to OFFICIAL power? Do you really doubt it?
          1. +1
            21 May 2014
            Quote: max702
            Do you really doubt it?

            Learn to guess sarcasm, sir! I just have no doubt. Is your minus? Thanks for the spontaneous reaction ..
      2. +1
        21 May 2014
        Quote: alexdol
        Is it possible that these "elections" will be followed by the recognition of their results ...

        Naryshkin hinted at a probable recognition a week ago.
    18. +10
      21 May 2014
      So do we support fascist elections in Ukraine? Well, let's create comfortable conditions for them, recognize them as legitimate and help destroy the pro-Russian separatists! Too tricky game or ... ???????????? Sadly, I don’t want to be disappointed. what I remember the information slipped through, after the arrival of the CIA director, when the go-ahead was given to the ATO and victims were made up to 10 thousand, then the ukram was told that Russia would not intervene. Everything has already been decided ???????? I'd like to make a mistake. stop
      1. +2
        21 May 2014
        Everything is simpler - we do not support, but we do not interfere pointedly. It is already clear that the Ukram elections will only bring even more headaches. On the road there is a rule 3D- give the way to the fool. They have already done more for the collapse of Ukraine than we ourselves could have done if we wanted to, and with each action they are more and more tied up in the swamp.
    19. +2
      21 May 2014
      Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said the US missile cruiser Vella Gulf will enter the Black Sea by the end of this week.
      20 May 2014, 23: 30

      Is this also for favorable conditions for the May 25 elections in Ukraine?
      1. 0
        21 May 2014
        Interestingly, this sulph, too, as well as the cookie will be bent, or what will they surprise others with?
        1. +3
          21 May 2014
          No, these will be bickering over the radio with a lighthouse, as in Zadornov’s humor.
        2. 0
          21 May 2014
          Yes, shhas! They will take the ships to the beaches, and they will wave flags! It is said: we will not provoke the West! Externally, we respect their opinion ..
      2. Escander_84
        0
        21 May 2014
        I don’t know how for the elections, but the gunners from "Fiolent" will definitely practice!)))
    20. 0
      21 May 2014
      Quote: alexdol
      But I do not quite understand the meaning of this withdrawal of troops .. On the one hand, Moscow has repeatedly stated that it considers the current government in "Ukraine" not legitimate and even called it JUNTA, but now it wants to facilitate the normal conduct of "ELECTIONS"? Is it possible that these "elections" will be followed by the recognition of their results ...

      Medvedev said yesterday Russia does not recognize the election
    21. +7
      21 May 2014
      troops should be withdrawn as far as possible ... approximately to washington
    22. Everest2014
      0
      21 May 2014
      Quote: Sith Lord
      Maybe the truth, or maybe not?

      None of the major publications wrote anything like this. Neither interfax nor lenta.ru. Artifice.
      1. 0
        21 May 2014
        Quote: everest2014
        Neither interfax nor lenta.ru. Artifice.

        And our media will not advertise such things! Think for yourself what will happen if such infa turns out to be true in something ..
    23. +19
      21 May 2014
      1. signing a gas contract with China - done.
      2. collection of documents on the South Stream - done.
      3. oil contract with Iran - in the summer.
      4. Qatar is here something repainted and is fooling with the Russian Federation and Iran about the strengthening of the role of GECE with the control of the gas market ...

      Imagine if ALREADY entered the SE and would impose sanctions on the 3 category against Russia? Yes, China and Iran would dictate their prices on these contracts ...

      And we are not waiting for SE in the NOW widespread support, alas, this is not the Crimea. I hope this is understandable to many now, especially the rattles who saw the Army only in the movies.
      Donbass has not risen yet, just DO NOT RISE.
      The Natsiks are sleeping and seeing that the Russian Federation gets involved NOW in the SE - for them this is the EXIT from the impasse.
      - That's when the plants get up (the wide ones do not want to supply products to the Russian Federation),
      - That's when there will be nothing to eat (sowing is half-torn),
      - Freezing pensions, salaries with hyperinflation,
      Only then will the people rise ...
      It’s just fucking bad that the militias have to endure while the Mayakhataskrai rises and the miners come out of the faces ...
      Help the militia must and in every possible way support ANY WAYS all this time.

      Here are the answers why the Russian Federation does not go to SE ...
      It’s possible to calculate for yourself when IT can happen ...

      ...................................

      ps And the Eurasian Union will work in full force only by the 1 of January ...

      pss By the way, the "withdrawal of troops" by 5-20 km is a laugh. Here if BTGr begin to disband and send units to the PDA according to staffing - only then is it possible to say that Uncle Vova "took the troops" seriously ... I hope the military does not need to explain this, and so everyone understood it.
      wink
      1. Alex 241
        +5
        21 May 2014
        Quote: Aleks tv
        units in the full-time management plan according to the staffing table

        Hi Lesh. We used to decipher the PPD: Have a Smoke Fly laughing
        1. +1
          21 May 2014
          Quote: Alex 241
          Our PDPs were decoded as follows: Smoked Fly

          laughing

          Hi Sanya!
          At us, the land explorers, nevertheless, are a little different ...
          It happens with us in LDPE.

          By the way, tomorrow I will call Andryukha - he has "today".
          I did not bother.
          1. Alex 241
            +1
            21 May 2014
            I remember Lesh. I will also ring.
    24. +7
      21 May 2014
      Quote: GEOS-Y
      So do we support fascist elections in Ukraine? Well, let's create comfortable conditions for them, recognize them as legitimate and help destroy the pro-Russian separatists! Too tricky game or ... ???????????? Sadly, I don’t want to be disappointed. what I remember the information slipped through, after the arrival of the CIA director, when the go-ahead was given to the ATO and victims were made up to 10 thousand, then the ukram was told that Russia would not intervene. Everything has already been decided ???????? I'd like to make a mistake. stop

      No, we just show that we don’t bother them.
      And in general, apparently our policy is to calmly wait for a complete complete collapse. Or a lot of blood, alas! Unfortunately, we can’t officially go there now. Until the Ukrainians sit on their own in a dunghill and ask for help themselves. Five hundred years later they will tell the children that there was a great prosperous power, the birthplace of elephants and wheels, but dirty, stupid barbarians from the east came and ruined it.
      1. +1
        21 May 2014
        And in general, apparently our policy is to calmly wait for a complete complete collapse.
        A very correct assumption, while supporting New Russia, of course
      2. 0
        21 May 2014
        So everything is clear that the troops have nothing to do there.
      3. 0
        21 May 2014
        Yes, that's right. It is wild to read that in the Donbass, some are on the barricades, while others hold rallies for the oligarch. Well, what do we do there? The pendulum needs help in acceleration, and not on the return trip.
    25. +2
      21 May 2014
      The West will not only not see this, it will also blame for non-existent sins, almost according to Krylov: you are to blame only for what I want to eat.
    26. -2
      21 May 2014
      I don’t understand what the catch is?
    27. +3
      21 May 2014
      Alternatively, the troops were withdrawn and the weapons were "forgotten." But seriously, the presence or absence of our troops on the border in this case does not change anything. We will not introduce them - this is only expected of us, but Westerners have fewer reasons to stink.
    28. +8
      21 May 2014
      The fact that militarily the location of our troops does not really matter is, of course, understandable. Their mobility, organization, and professionalism have been repeatedly proven (how pleasant it is to say such words about your own army! good ).
      And what does this (in the sense of withdrawal of troops) give us in the political sense?
      Personally, I see that our president in every possible way demonstrates Russia's disinterest in any outcome of the political crisis in the rest of Ukraine. Like, "but we don't care." However, these demonstrations are so straightforward and simplistic that it begs the idea that they are intended exclusively for use abroad. The washed, pristine brains of the European man in the street are capable of perceiving only the most primitive premises.
      With their statements, which many have called slippery at the VO, etc., the lack of open recognition of the DPR and demonstrative peace-loving actions, our leadership puts the Western leaders in an ambiguous position, talking with their electorate in a language that is understandable to those. At the same time, it manages to utter its remarks so that Russia is not suspected of weakness or indecision, which is very important.
      As a result, the visible part of the iceberg looks quite presentable and peaceful. And the invisible one consists of a set of quiet, inaudible measures aimed at ensuring the security of the DPR leaders, providing the self-defense forces with everything they need: medicines, ammunition, food, satellite, intelligence and military intelligence, etc. Moreover, this is done according to the principle "necessary and sufficient", that is, strictly dosed.
      Who of the members of the forum seriously thinks that the DPR would hold out against the junta for so long, and not just hold out, but practically, in the same positions as at the beginning of the confrontation, if there had not been this very support? And the fact that we do not know anything about her, only says that it is being carried out in the most professional way.
      And for whom in this situation time plays only time will show wink
      1. +1
        21 May 2014
        Quote: Luga
        satellite

        Yeah, somehow the info from Strelkova slipped that the Iridiums that he brought with him (is it not the terminals that he bought for an hour?) Do not work, excellent help in this case, and everything else then in the same vein
      2. -1
        21 May 2014
        Everything you wrote is beautiful! BUT the information on the actions of Russia will reach the electorate exclusively in the right form .. it is in this way that world capital is needed, all the media are under their control, and those drops of truth that leak out are gradually filtered with ever increasing efficiency .. They are hoping for the local electorate this is the same mistake as 41g hoped for by the German proletariat that the worker would not kill the worker! Let it be, and then, and even more so now, when the methods of zombie the population have grown by orders of magnitude compared to the 30-40 years of the last century. It will just be like trying to grab Libya with the wrong hands and quietly, but I couldn’t, then they spat on polites and They spread the country with aviation and special forces from all over the world. They achieved their goals. It will be the same here, but it will have to be fought seriously and this must be understood, everything has already been decided, the GDP is taking time as Stalin is 39 trying to prepare the country for war .. at least I hope so .. (what’s preparing the country, really then sluggish)
        1. +1
          21 May 2014
          And where did Stalin pull in the 39th time? The Munich agreement on the division of Europe was earlier, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in the 41st, what are you talking about?
        2. -1
          22 May 2014
          Quote: max702
          information on Russia's actions will reach the electorate exclusively in the right form ..

          I recall the statement of Hitler (?) That one cannot deceive everyone and all the time. Water wears away the stone. Information leaks out, most, of course, do not care, but "nothing on earth passes without a trace" smile
          Quote: max702
          GDP pulls time like Stalin in 39 trying to prepare the country for war ..

          I don’t believe in that. They will not dare to bomb (mattresses and especially geyroptsy) bomb their planes in the immediate vicinity of our borders. Syria was not touched, the DPR will also be afraid. Everyone has something to lose.
        3. -1
          22 May 2014
          Quote: max702
          information on Russia's actions will reach the electorate exclusively in the right form ..

          I recall the statement of Hitler (?) That one cannot deceive everyone and all the time. Water wears away the stone. Information leaks out, most, of course, do not care, but "nothing on earth passes without a trace" smile
          Quote: max702
          GDP pulls time like Stalin in 39 trying to prepare the country for war ..

          I don’t believe in that. They will not dare to bomb (mattresses and especially geyroptsy) bomb their planes in the immediate vicinity of our borders. Syria was not touched, the DPR will also be afraid. Everyone has something to lose.
    29. Bormental
      +2
      21 May 2014
      The ground forces have nothing to do there now. And everything else is delivered in 15 minutes. Warhead is faster.
    30. +6
      21 May 2014
      Yes, even let him take them to Moscow. The Air Force is in place, the Airborne Forces too. but no more
    31. rereture
      -6
      21 May 2014
      Uncle Vova threw everyone.
    32. -3
      21 May 2014
      The President said that the withdrawal of troops is aimed at creating favorable conditions for the May 25 elections in Ukraine.
      M-yes-yes. And? Now, what-wait for help-the junta from Russia? Lithuania, for fascism, was given concessions on gas.
      May 21, 2014 Russia introduces criminal liability for organizing unauthorized actions and pickets. Now, for an uncoordinated rally, you can go to jail for up to five years. The reason for the tightening of measures is the desire to protect the country from the Ukrainian scenario, reports “Lenta.ru”. The State Duma adopted the bill in the first reading. In the event of the final adoption of amendments to the Criminal Code, article 212.1 appears, establishing liability for “repeated violation of the procedure for organizing or holding a meeting, rally, demonstration, procession or picket”. Sanctions are foreseen in the amount of 600 thousand to 1 million rubles, compulsory work is planned up to 480 hours, correctional labor for one to two years, forced labor or imprisonment up to five years. Criminal liability will fall on the “repeat offenders" who were involved more than two times in six months for the same violation at rallies
      Source: http://www.sobaka.ru/city/city/23448 sobaka.ru All rights reserved. ©
      He took the first commentary on this law. Cleaning up the dissent?
      Add also that governors in turn stood for early elections.
      Something I thought. What are they pushing for Ukrainian events?
      1. rereture
        -3
        21 May 2014
        Push the country to the abyss with its tightening screws. This can be compared with a steam boiler, if the pressure rises above the calculated one, then the cover, no matter how you screw it on, will still rip off.
        1. +3
          21 May 2014
          Quote: rereture
          Pushing ...

          While the attention of the society is occupied by the Ukrainian crisis, today is May 21 this year. The State Duma quietly adopted in the second reading an amendment to the Constitution, which once again limits the principle of separation of powers in Russia, strengthening the status of the President.
          We are talking about the draft law of the Russian Federation on an amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation "On the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation." According to the amendment to the Constitution, the President of Russia will have the right to independently appoint 10% of the members of the Federation Council and dismiss them from office. The rest of the senators will be empowered according to the previous rules - two representatives from each region. Moreover, the "presidential" members of the Federation Council, in contrast to the "regional" ones, will have increased guarantees of irremovability - even the new president will not be able to remove them from office during his first term. Worse, the term of office of the “presidential” senators is essentially life-long - it is not specified in the bill at all.

          It seems that today we have a day of "support" for democracy not so much in Ukraine as in Russia.
          1. rereture
            +1
            21 May 2014
            Yes, in general, horseradish understand what is going on, now calm down while painting. I think you need to wait for what this will give.
    33. +11
      21 May 2014
      but generally good news
      And about. Chairman of the Lugansk Regional State Administration Irina Verigina said last night that "in the Antratsitovsky district, near Sverdlovsk, the Dolzhansky point is the border is open with Russia."

      Verigina emphasized that people from Russia are constantly, unhindered from this border checkpoint to Ukraine.

      It was at the Dolzhansky border checkpoint on May 17 that the people's governor of the Lugansk People’s Republic Valery Bolotov was detained by the border guards, but as a result of a fierce battle, the militia recaptured him from the border guards.

      Earlier, on May 18, in Donetsk, on Lenin Square, a rally was held for opening borders with Russia. Activists of the rally said that Ukrainian border guards do not miss humanitarian aid from Russia. “We know that in Russia a lot of people want to help the DPR, but due to the fact that the borders are closed, customs does not allow humanitarian supplies. For the Donetsk People’s Republic, the opening of borders is a priority task, the task of survival. ”

      If the militia of Donbass so far have a dialogue with border guards, then in the Luhansk region this issue has already been decided.
    34. +5
      21 May 2014
      West blames Russia again
      The West is like a ram - it will beat its forehead until it knocks out the remnants of the brain
      1. raf
        0
        21 May 2014
        laughing So the fact of the matter is that the Gayropeans do not have brains, otherwise they would not arrange "Polovtsian dances" according to the tune of mattresses, they would not produce fagots and pedophiles.
      2. 0
        21 May 2014
        Quote: pvv113
        The West is like a ram - it will beat its forehead until it knocks out the remnants of the brain

        Maybe on the contrary, he wants to beat him there (in the head). Alas. It doesn’t reach through the head, it will reach through the butt *, especially in the West it is more convenient. laughing
    35. +5
      21 May 2014
      Quote: pvv113
      will beat his forehead until he knocks out the remains of the brain

      there is already no residue left. two convolutions, Russia is to blame and sanctions
    36. 0
      21 May 2014
      in consolation, I can say that only in Crimea, according to the latest data, there were about 25 thousand infantry troops!
      1. Alex 241
        +16
        21 May 2014
        A little off topic. Congratulations!
        1. +3
          21 May 2014
          I join in the congratulations! Years!
    37. +2
      21 May 2014
      Stop guessing, speculating. I tried it myself, spat. I will say this, on behalf of those friends who are in uniform - the mood is "business trip", although they themselves do not really know anything, "the chuyka plows". The game and solutions are all at high levels, there are practically no "leaks" as we observe ... We will wait and see.
    38. +1
      21 May 2014
      "Russia will withdraw its troops, but it just does not understand exactly how far such a withdrawal from the borders with Ukraine must be carried out in order to calm the West."

      I suggest, to the east, there across the Pacific Ocean and to America itself. Let's stop in Washington. Such a challenge, I think, will be to everyone's liking. Well, or almost everyone.
    39. +1
      21 May 2014
      now, in connection with the displacement of the border beyond the borders of the Donetsk republic, troops will also be moved there
    40. +1
      21 May 2014
      Russia will withdraw its troops, but it just doesn’t understand how exactly such a withdrawal from the borders with Ukraine needs to be carried out,
      It is necessary to withdraw to the Kaliningrad region, presidential elections in Lithuania have already passed smile
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    42. -2
      21 May 2014
      Yes, the situation is changing with the speed of a bullet. Who suggested in January that the Russian Crimea would already be without water in May? wink So the army, as in "Ivan Vasilyevich" mechezza .... but if necessary "Kazan" will take.
      Time is like that, all on hard nerves. The bruises after the fight will hurt, but for now, we’ll gouge, we'll see whose one it takes!
    43. rereture
      -3
      21 May 2014
      You can call me a provocateur, but still the authorities do not give a damn about all the inhabitants, not only in Russia, but also in the newly joined republic of Crimea.

      Labor migrants will be attracted to work in the created special economic zone in Crimea. This was announced on Wednesday by the head of the Federal Migration Service (FMS) of Russia Konstantin Romodanovsky in the State Duma.

      So far, the work of the FMS on the peninsula, according to him, is limited to issuing passports. But in parallel, work was also organized with foreign citizens - the issuance of migration cards, the issuance of patents, registration of foreign passports, etc.


      http://www.rg.ru/2014/05/21/migranti-site-anons.html
      1. rereture
        -6
        21 May 2014
        That's right, idolize the power and the king. Which poured about the "protection of the Russians", the "protection of the Russian-speaking" population. But in fact it oppresses, brings in migrants (at his own initiative), tightens the screws with idiotic laws. Open your eyes, instead of removing destabilizing factors (for example, migrants), our government, on the contrary, does everything contrary to the will of the people.
        1. +5
          21 May 2014
          If you were a little more insightful, you would not have asked questions about migration policy for a long time. Firstly, we no longer live in a socialist state of the USSR, but in a market economy in the Russian Federation, but in a market economy, the law is one-raising incomes and lowering costs, so migration policy is a tool to reduce state spending and we did not come up with it, USA with 60x migrants to grab because of low pay, modest requirements and high efficiency. You imagine what you need to build, repair, kindergartens, schools, roads, sidewalks, houses, do hard work and so on, how much money you ask for it ? So here is a double-edged sword, even if you take all my friends, then 95% of them were built by migrants. Another conversation, of course, is about the qualification of migrants and their use in private companies, which are thus welded up to deceit, but there is no good without bad, as according to Lomonosov — if it has disappeared somewhere, then it has arrived somewhere. And if you look at state-owned enterprises, even they attract migrants to work, mainly for heavy and physical work, no more, but migrant specialists, they already go on other lists — these are turners, milling machines, electricians, engineers, etc. they already work, on completely different conditions. So again, migration policy is a way to reduce government spending. And do not shout, supposedly migrants are taking your bread, I doubt very much that you will mix concrete for 5 thousand rubles a month from 8 in the morning until 6 in the evening, carry reinforcement and do heavy work.
          PS By the way, the repair in my kitchen was done by a former police colonel from Tajikistan, quite dignified and neatly, so you judge, if you were a former police colonel, would you work for a penny after that?
        2. 0
          21 May 2014
          There is not one politician of the tsar who would have settled everyone and will not be, but your point of view is not clear to me. Do you want justice, God help you, go where you think it is not
    44. raf
      +1
      21 May 2014
      The road to hell is paved with good intentions !!! No matter how Russia indulges the West, it will still be to blame for all the "sins". All the same, the ungrateful, cynical West, together with the Kiev junta, will bend their line, even if they withdraw the troops, even if they do not withdraw, the rat squeak has stood and will remain.
    45. +1
      21 May 2014
      "Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Anatoly Antonov previously noted that Russia will withdraw its troops, but does not understand exactly how far such a withdrawal from the borders with Ukraine must be carried out in order to calm the West."

      - You can be on the lawn of the White House, even the main Negro of the planet, and even the Nobel laureate, is protected from Bandera.
    46. 0
      21 May 2014
      No, neither the West nor Kiev will appreciate Putin’s step, since it seems that the game went one way. Russia will still be to blame.
    47. +1
      21 May 2014
      today they took them away, and by Monday they (the troops) will again be at the borders, well, like they didn’t complete the training program, so they returned to finish what they started)))
    48. +1
      21 May 2014
      I would not want to substitute the militias. I hope that they understand what is really going on and what role they are assigned. I do not think that GDP will throw the DNI. The country will not forgive him for this, whatever the sanctions from the Entente.
    49. +6
      21 May 2014
      Quote: marder4
      here we are back to finish what we started)))

      and we always bring it to the end))))
    50. 3vs
      +2
      21 May 2014
      Yes, there will be a flood in Ukraine soon, so our troops took them away so that
      boots do not soak. smile
    51. +5
      21 May 2014
      Quote: 3vs
      Yes, there will be a flood in Ukraine soon,

      So this means that pipes were laid in Crimea and water was released?)))
    52. kronverg
      0
      21 May 2014
      Kharkiv. Somehow your GDP has completely deflated. Somewhere in early March, he puffed out his cheeks and talked about protecting Russian-speaking people; the Duma gave the right to send troops. Our people in Kharkov rose up (Donetsk and Lugansk came later), they realized that Russia was behind them. But time passed - no troops, no help - nothing. On the Internet they write, fight yourself, there is no point in lying on the stove. You can't fight too hard with the army. Here, in general, withdraw the troops (they will stomp their feet and you can go for the Urals) so that the Nazis can vote comfortably... I won’t go to rallies anymore, but I’ll somehow survive the occupation
      1. tokin1959
        0
        21 May 2014
        Perhaps this is a cunning policy.
        but the latest facts say - surrender.
        fear of irritating the West with anything.
        and the West becomes bolder and bites harder.
        The egg sniffers have become insolent and are also biting.
        elections will be held and the new Ukrainian “president” will introduce martial law in the country.
        the resistance will be given an ultimatum for 12-24 hours, and after that they will hit with hail and tanks, along with the population.
      2. +6
        21 May 2014
        Quote: kronverg
        But time passed - no troops, no help - nothing.

        and he promised to send troops? and how did you get there? You didn’t get your asses off the sofas. How much is the population of Kharkov and how many came to the rally? 0,001%.
        1. +1
          22 May 2014
          Quote: Lukich
          and he promised to send troops?

          He promised that if the civilian population needed protection, troops would be sent in for peacekeeping purposes. The civilian population has been in need of protection for a long time...
          And the guy is right: if it weren’t for the excitement around Crimea, the wave of patriotism that stirred up the people in Russia, the happiness of finally experiencing a feeling of pride in a STRONG HOMELAND, the performances would not have started in the South-East.. The top people should have understood this! But it seems they themselves succumbed to euphoria...
          Why on April 24, during the first assault on Slavyansk, did our troops immediately begin exercises near the borders of Ukraine? It is no secret that this was precisely what played the main role in the sharp “slowdown” of the junta warriors!
          And why later did we begin to be so sharply “embarrassed” about such demonstrations? Where was the President on May 1-2-3, when serious fighting began in Slavyansk? It is clear that the head of state has a lot to do. But somehow it turned out that during this period the media did not cover any globally important matters. There are actually a lot of questions. And there are also many more coincidences than we would like.
    53. +1
      21 May 2014
      Quote: armored optimist
      You can take it away. Show goodwill. But if necessary, what will hinder us from troops from Siberia to drop even on the western border of Ukraine during the day?

      I support the withdrawal of troops.
      Motive? Anti-Russian ditches on the border are the know-how of Ukrainian oligarchs for the Ukrainian military instead of high-precision weapons.

      Intentions? move back 7 steps, take a low start, take off at the starting signal and... jump over the anti-Russian ukrorov.

      In general, the introduction of troops into Ukraine requires troops and the determination of leaders.
      The events that have taken place have shown that we have both the first and the second.

      I'm waiting for the next round of events.
      This is just the beginning...
    54. Evgtan
      +5
      21 May 2014
      Ukraine is a unique country. The anti-terrorist operation there is led by terrorists, the fight against corruption is a burnt thief, the leader of the fascist party is a Jewish anti-Semite, and to strengthen independence they join the European Union as blacks.
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    56. Chapovsky
      +3
      21 May 2014
      Vova showed how accurate and fast our missiles, fleet, aviation, defense and air defense systems are, as well as ground and heavy equipment. It also showed how quickly troops change their location... Now, draw your conclusions. If we have half of Europe at gunpoint, is it worth keeping troops at the dill border? Vova is just mocking stupid ABAM. since it’s time for the macaque to go to the palm tree :-):-):-)
    57. +1
      21 May 2014
      How now this concern of the GDP about the elections in Ukraine correlated with the pre-war situation, then it was also recommended not to succumb to provocations and not to shoot down German reconnaissance planes, this concern ended badly for the USSR
    58. +1
      21 May 2014
      in order to calm this scum it is necessary to withdraw troops to the Far East. do we need it?
    59. 3vs
      +1
      21 May 2014
      I think they made the same secret social network for GDP. survey both in Crimea and the South-East.
      Probably unlike Crimea, the survey turned out to be very ambiguous.
      Hence the conclusions.
      If the Maidanists use hail, then we will have nothing else left,
      How to destroy all this scum.
      But the Americans drew conclusions from South Ossetia.
      Here they are already working to wear down the militias, to create an atmosphere
      constant fear and despair of the population, so that they are out of hopelessness,
      lack of money and hunger, they themselves asked for peace and surrendered their defenders.

      They say a Turkish boy ended up near Slavyansk.
      God grant that a stray bullet blows his head off!
      1. 0
        21 May 2014
        Quote: 3vs
        Probably unlike Crimea, the survey turned out to be very ambiguous.

        Yeah, the referendum is staged, the militias are dressed up and the blood is from ketchup.
        1. 3vs
          +2
          21 May 2014
          This is not what we are talking about, is Strelkov in vain when he says that there is no one to defend his land?
          Well, there is no such iron will of the majority of the local population to protect
          their land with arms in hand, otherwise everything would have been stopped long ago.
          Here, either the population will get tired of the constant bombings and surrender their people, dry off, and start speaking the language, or they will eventually become brutalized by this and fight for their land.
    60. +3
      21 May 2014
      Quote: awg75
      UNCLE VOVA MUZHIK !!!!

      Actually, you need to think with your own head, reflect, figure out what it means, and not clap your hands every time, jumping up for joy...
    61. -1
      21 May 2014
      Quote: rereture
      That's right, idolize the power and the king. Which poured about the "protection of the Russians", the "protection of the Russian-speaking" population. But in fact it oppresses, brings in migrants (at his own initiative), tightens the screws with idiotic laws. Open your eyes, instead of removing destabilizing factors (for example, migrants), our government, on the contrary, does everything contrary to the will of the people.

      This is no longer a “fifth column”. This is how professionals from the American cyber forces work. He molds him to look like one of his own, instills doubts about Putin’s actions. Supposedly "constructive criticism". Unfortunately, ordinary people fall for such a hook.
    62. +1
      21 May 2014
      Once again I want to emphasize that this was done not because we are embarrassed to keep our troops there, we are a sovereign state and keep our troops where we want, but to create additional benevolent conditions for the upcoming elections in Ukraine (May 25 presidential election) so that there is no speculation around this, this decision was made.

      What a touching concern for the Maidan elections, the triumph of Law and Justice. This is not some kind of amateur Donetsk-Lugansk referendum, which the Kremlin tends not to remember. Give in to the GDP, maybe the “partners” will forgive Crimea. Just remember the fate of Gaddafi.
      1. 3vs
        -3
        21 May 2014
        Yes, you bitch, just a Maidan provocateur.
        1. +2
          21 May 2014
          Filter the market, imbecile.
    63. bda
      bda
      +1
      21 May 2014
      to create additional favorable conditions for the upcoming elections in Ukraine

      President Poroshenko and his roof will appreciate such care
    64. 0
      21 May 2014
      Those who call on Putin to take the trouble are either fools or conscious enemies.
      It's not time yet. The entire Ruin has not yet howled. The majority still hopes that elections will be held and everything will settle down. Unfortunately, most “passionarians” only understand the “face on the table” method of learning. While bills for utilities are just arriving, while there is something to eat in stores and in home refrigerators, while there is electricity to watch propaganda. Soon everything will start to end. Then the hungry eyes of the children will ask: Dad? Will we eat today? And dad will be forced to think, and maybe even do something. For example, punch a Nazi neighbor in the face. And the Nazis themselves will begin to sober up.
      Russia will be waiting. It may be cruel, but there is nothing else you can do.
      And there’s no point in writing that Putin leaked the militias, that he chickened out. Do you want a big war? Where almost everyone we have to save now will call us occupiers?
      Behind Putin is a powerful team of analysts. Every step is calculated and weighed. And lately I have seen the widespread application of the Aikido principle - all the moves of opponents turn in our favor.
      1. +2
        21 May 2014
        Quote: armored optimist
        Then the hungry eyes of the children will ask: Dad? Will we eat today? And dad will be forced to think,

        And his answer will be this: the Muscovites have staged a famine for us again, so son, go to the right sector.
        Russia will be waiting
        So we waited for 23 years. What are you waiting for? Young people in the South-East are already banderizing. Let's wait until there is complete banderization.
        Behind Putin is a powerful team of analysts.

        You speak about this so confidently, maybe you can name names. Isn't it Chubais and Kudrin?
    65. bda
      bda
      +1
      21 May 2014
      Quote: IOwTZ
      After the "elections" the destruction of the DPR is a matter of time

      They will simply be quietly crushed while we have endless reports about the flood, sorry, the floods may already end - about volcanic eruptions, for example, in South America.
      And when it’s all over, there will be a quiet statement about how Russia is outraged by human rights violations and strictly demands that the Kyiv authorities conduct an investigation.
    66. bda
      bda
      +2
      21 May 2014
      Quote: Saburov
      In a market economy, there is only one law - increasing income and reducing expenses, so migration policy is a tool to reduce state expenses and we did not invent it

      We didn’t invent it, but we sold it so successfully that some of us actually believed that there were countries in the world that lived according to the laws of a market economy.
      If anyone has an example of such a country, then before announcing the list, please take the trouble to read the definition of “free market” in the textbook - it is as easy to achieve as communism.
      And to be specific, each country (its real power) establishes the order in this matter that it considers necessary. Example: Japan and South Korea are rich countries with a high level of income (wages) - there are no migrant workers there! Absolutely no! and they (the Japanese and Koreans) didn’t care about all these market troubles.
    67. +5
      21 May 2014
      Well, some people here want to fight. They got used to war games on the computer and forgot that in a real war they would kill. and not Russians in Ukraine. they will sit at home. and our children and brothers. think warriors, is it worth it? They don’t want to protect themselves, then why should we interfere. listen to them yourself, it’s good if half of them support us. and the rest will shoot in the back. but for the whole of Ukraine we will be occupiers. and we will have to fight with all the people and NATO. can we stand it?
      1. 0
        22 May 2014
        And you have to climb - halfway! And let our best friends in the West take the second one.
      2. 0
        22 May 2014
        Quote: Lukich
        It’s good there if half of us support us. and the rest will shoot in the back

        Sergey, they don’t shoot militias in the back... which means they won’t shoot us either. And the inertia of the civilian population is understandable; it has also been discussed here more than once why. Yes, a person does not want to live under a junta! But power issues seem to have to be resolved by trained people... etc. And there is no need to say that he is to blame for this! If something happens here, God forbid, we’ll also have to kick them into the militia! People won’t immediately rush to put their heads in front of the bullets.
        And then, the task is not to shake up and protect the South-East - but to destroy the reviving Nazism. Quietly the plague of the 20th century crept into the 21st...
    68. -1
      21 May 2014
      Fortunately, NATO is not ready for war now. Although, by and large, so do we. That's why everyone is stalling for time. But WW3 is inevitable.
      1. 0
        21 May 2014
        I will add that there is nothing to divide except Russia.
    69. 0
      21 May 2014
      NATO did not notice the withdrawal of Russian troops from the border with Ukraine. What would you like to answer? This is the ability of the modern Russian army to make rapid movements from one location to another. V.V. Putin withdrew his troops yesterday, and today he let them down again. The North Atlantic Alliance has become somehow clumsy, slow and inattentive. Exclude slow-witted Eastern Europeans like Laaaatvia, Estooonia and Lithuania from membership, and reaction speed and attentiveness will improve. laughing
      1. 0
        21 May 2014
        I agree, twenty years ago we only dreamed of such mobility for our Army
    70. +5
      21 May 2014
      Maybe they don’t notice that we are not withdrawing, but failing? The compasses of the cardinal directions were mixed up. they have an anomaly there laughing
    71. 0
      21 May 2014
      Viktor Yanukovych is alive, healthy, and remains the current president of Ukraine, so there is no need to hold elections, said Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev in an interview with Bloomberg TV.

      Yesterday, Dmitry Medvedev spoke unequivocally about the elections in Ukraine.
      In my opinion, Viktor Fedorovich should appear in Lugansk or Donetsk in the coming days. And this will be a strong mine for the election of a legitimate president on May 25th.
    72. +1
      21 May 2014
      Well... it was necessary to simply explain to Western dissatisfied “partners” that Russian troops are on the border with Ukraine in case Iran plans to attack Europe with its ground forces. So we organized... a kind of "missile defense", but on the ground. feel
      Interested in the states responding? laughing
    73. -1
      21 May 2014
      We need to sell the amers a batch of binoculars.
      Or offer to wipe the lenses of their companions. No thanks, of course.
    74. +1
      22 May 2014
      And I’ll just see what happens over time: if Putin merges the DPR and LPR, then as a person he will become a complete zero for me, and if he helps, then all his “retreats” are a cunning maneuver... But something tells me , what will drain...
      1. tokin1959
        +1
        22 May 2014
        The shelling of Slavyansk began
      2. +2
        22 May 2014
        Perhaps the word “nationalization” greatly offends us. Self-activity, you know...
      3. 0
        22 May 2014
        Quote: Agent 008
        as a person he will become a complete zero for me,

        Cunning! It’s not for nothing that the agent... If he leaks, it’s zero. And if it doesn’t work out... and here there’s not a word about evaluation, just a statement of the essence of the actions. So who will he be if he doesn’t leak?!
        In fact, it's not like that. The president is the face of the country, and if something happens wrong, it’s not a blow to the individual, but to everyone! And if we just surrender Donbass, then it turns out that our “fifth column” will be on the right, and we represent NOTHING. “Raw materials appendage” with a place defined by the West.
    75. +5
      22 May 2014
      Quote: tokin1959
      The shelling of Slavyansk began

      t8ari!!! just yesterday they said that they would withdraw the troops...
      1. tokin1959
        0
        22 May 2014
        t8ari!!! --- this also applies to those who said - just try moving to the southeast.
        They gave people hope, but now they are draining it.
        1. +5
          22 May 2014
          Quote: tokin1959
          t8ari!!! --- this also applies to those who said - just try moving to the southeast.
          They gave people hope, but now they are draining it.

          who drains them? who is sitting at home? who doesn't want to protect their home?
    76. +1
      22 May 2014
      Uncle Vova, don't be funny. Bring in your troops already. Let the junta fly away to their America out of fear. And then you can take it out if you want. It won't get any worse anyway.
      1. +5
        22 May 2014
        Quote: Vasily Klopkov
        Bring in your troops already

        and on what basis? not DPR, not LDR did not ask
    77. +1
      22 May 2014
      Why does our president, in his words, need to “create favorable conditions for holding elections on May 25 in Ukraine” - a question? Why do we go “into the gums” to hug the self-implanted? Is this some kind of Asian military trick, despite all their abominations - to smile and prove to these urchins that we are kind and fluffy? So they will generally sit on the neck. Will they begin to plant our brothers in the south-east in Grads, knowing our kindness?
    78. +2
      22 May 2014
      Here many people perceive Putin as God, who does not sleep at night and only thinks about the people... But I’m thinking: will our population benefit from the fact that the contract was signed with the Chinese? Miller and a bunch of millionaire officials, yes! Are our towns and villages getting gasified now? Of course not! And they will buy a couple of players for Zenit for 100 million euros! Here one wrote that his oligarch friends have influence on Putin, so they gave him all the downsides... So what, Putin doesn’t have oligarch friends? Eat! And it seems that apart from Ramzan Kadyrov and V. Zhirinovsky, no one cares about the fate of the DPR and LPR! And lest Russia’s image as a “superpower” turn out to be a big soap bubble...
      1. +5
        22 May 2014
        Quote: Agent 008
        Miller and a bunch of millionaire officials, yes!

        Don't they pay taxes? and he concluded the contract on behalf of the state, and not on behalf of officials
      2. 0
        22 May 2014
        Quote: Agent 008
        And lest Russia’s image as a “superpower” turn out to be a big soap bubble...

        Well, I wouldn’t throw words around to that extent... In the end, people are the most important thing in any country. It is led by politicians, but if popular discontent arises, not a single oligarch will sit still, they will demolish it! What we, in fact, are seeing now in Donbass.
        In general, what I wanted to say is that there is nothing unambiguous in such questions. And we are all, in the end, connected to each other, and influence each other. It is unlikely that our President wants to repeat the story of Yanukovych: he could have become a Hero, the savior of the nation - but will remain in memory as a traitor! I think his example will be a revelation for many... and the correct conclusions will be drawn, that the respect of the people, their unconditional support is much more profitable than a bunch of oligarchs who are still “friends”!
    79. +5
      22 May 2014
      Quote: scorpiosys
      "creating favorable conditions for holding elections on May 25 in Ukraine"

      at least so that there is someone to give 24 hours to withdraw troops, and then enter. he shouldn’t really be talking to the junta
    80. 0
      22 May 2014
      Everything is correct. Let them choose. But there is again a nuance, what to do with the living, real president of the outskirts (You will laugh, but Ukraine with the capital letter “U” was knocked out like a mistake, I used the word closest in meaning - they don’t deserve more)
      Yanukovych is alive and well, steaming in the bathhouses of Rostov-on-Don, after the elections who will be the main president, who the hell knows what to call this territory...

      P.S. Now I’m 39. At a young age I traveled to Uzhgorod, Lvov, Kyiv, and throughout Ukraine. There was nothing like what is happening now.
      We were traveling by fast train and I had an attack of appendicitis. The train was stopped in Korsun Shevchenko (there was no stop there). The station manager drove me and my mother from the station to the hospital (it’s not clear whose car it was, but it wasn’t his for sure since I started it without a key); on the way, we accidentally met the best surgeon in this town (who operated on me). The operation was not simple, but dragged on for 40 minutes. After the operation, a boy was placed in the ward; he spoke Surdzhik, and when he told jokes, I thought that the seam would come apart. (this is how the older generation speaks in our villages, and with made-up words this is the Ukrainian language) There was no trace of any hatred or interethnic enmity. And I want to bow to the ground to these people - they saved me.
      1. +5
        22 May 2014
        Quote: Gorbtk
        . But there is again a nuance, what to do with a living, real president of the outskirts

        Well, it’s probably not for nothing that he hides it) maybe he’ll take it out of his sleeve at the right moment)
    81. 0
      22 May 2014
      Quote: Lukich
      Quote: Gorbtk
      . But there is again a nuance, what to do with a living, real president of the outskirts

      Well, it’s probably not for nothing that he hides it) maybe he’ll take it out of his sleeve at the right moment)

      The people are fighting to the death, and Yanukovych is a traitor and a coward... He is a complete nonentity, no one in the DPR and LPR will even talk to him, they will only spit in his direction...
    82. +1
      22 May 2014
      But in general, in an amicable way, it would be possible not to withdraw. The fact that the troops were withdrawn again demonstrates the reluctance to notice the existence of the DPR and LPR. Otherwise, our troops would automatically be hundreds of kilometers from the Ukrainian border..
      The young republics are actively continuing to be pushed back into the “womb of independence” - although the leaders of these republics have already said more than once that they have nothing to talk about with Kiev!..
    83. yacht
      +2
      22 May 2014
      Here's what Strelkov said: “The population is gradually beginning to come to sad thoughts. Nobody really believes that they were completely abandoned by the GDP. But in order for Russia to intervene, their family homes, gardens and vegetable gardens will have to be turned into ruins and ashes - many already believe in this. I won’t say that people are very happy about this prospect. Quite the contrary."
      1. 0
        22 May 2014
        Strelkov is far from a stupid person and understands everything perfectly.
        After all, in fact, as has already been written and said repeatedly, Yu and V are for the most part “SLEEPING”. And how not regrettably to write this, but this plays into the hands of the fascists. Just as the miners continued to stupidly crawl to work, they continue to crawl, while young boys and girls die instead of them, people who do not want to be in the role of slaves are killed.
        Some miners don’t care and “my house is on the edge.” As I already wrote, Yanyk’s remark about the fact that: .... if Donbass wakes up and the miners rise up, then it won’t seem like much to anyone .... all this now sounds like bullying.
        After all, in essence, Strelkov himself understands all this perfectly well, and he himself apparently cannot understand why the people do not wake up and agree to essentially put up with the role of slaves in the best case. After all, in a bad case, there is enough room on earth.
        And GDP sees all this perfectly well and draws conclusions.
        In other words, all questions are for those sleeping!!!!!!
    84. -1
      22 May 2014
      The border with Russia is open.
      Maybe it's time to bring them Yanukovych.
      Let him say - Ma-hungry! What the hell kind of elections?!
      Last chance. After May 25th it will be too late.

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