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Putin explained the reason for the withdrawal of Russian troops from the borders of Ukraine

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Vladimir Putin, who is in China on a state visit, explained the reason for giving the order (as Supreme Commander) to withdraw the Russian troops who participated in the exercises in the areas bordering with Ukraine to places of permanent deployment. The president said that the withdrawal of troops is aimed at creating favorable conditions for holding the 25 elections in May in Ukraine. Reports about it RIA News".


Putin explained the reason for the withdrawal of Russian troops from the borders of Ukraine


Vladimir Putin:

Our troops were not already on the border, they were really close enough to the border, and you probably heard about it, some time ago I instructed the Ministry of Defense to withdraw them ...

Once again I want to emphasize that this was done not because we are embarrassed to keep our troops there, we are a sovereign state and keep our troops where we want, but to create additional benevolent conditions for the upcoming elections in Ukraine (May 25 presidential election) so that there is no speculation around this, this decision was made.

If someone does not see what is happening there, let them better see.


Anatoly Antonov, Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia, noted earlier that Russia would withdraw the troops, but did not understand exactly how far such a withdrawal from the borders with Ukraine should be in order to calm the West.

A few hours before Vladimir Putin’s speech, the West again accused Russia of building up its military presence near the borders with Ukraine. Representatives of the Ministry of Defense called this point of view of Western partners a political order.

Will the West and Kiev appreciate Vladimir Putin’s step?
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  1. awg75
    awg75 21 May 2014 17: 53
    +16
    UNCLE VOVA MUZHIK !!!!
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 21 May 2014 17: 56
      +9
      Maybe the truth, or maybe not?

      Turchinov signed an agreement with the IMF on the provision of financial assistance to Ukraine, thanks to which the entire gas transportation system of Ukraine from the moment of signing the final main agreement on financial assistance

      GETTING FREE
      transferred to the ownership of the American company Chevron, owners
      Mariupol, Zaporizhzhya, Dnepropetrovsk Metallurgical Combines are OBLIGED to transfer 60% of the shares of companies to the ownership of the GERMAN Ruhr company, the coal production of Donbass is transferred to the FINNISH daughter of Ruhrl.

      Territories near Kharkov are being transferred to the NATO bloc to host the American missile defense systems, the American aviation link to cover missile defense facilities !!
      (Source - First Deputy Ambassador of the Czech Republic to Poland).
      1. kaluganew
        kaluganew 21 May 2014 18: 00
        +6
        The first deputy ambassador of the Czech Republic told you this himself, or is there a link?
      2. Rock2
        Rock2 21 May 2014 18: 21
        +4
        And where is sovereignty, where is the independence that so many shout about? And for this, glory to Ukraine? Glory to the heroes?
        1. sergej591910
          sergej591910 21 May 2014 18: 59
          +22
          Anecdote in the topic:
          A Ukrainian family is sitting at home. There’s nothing to eat ... Well, the garny lad went hunting. I set a snare, caught a hare. Brought home alive, gives it to his wife: "Well, they say, cook it, zhinka!"
          The wife replied: "How to cook?"
          Boy: "Fire, or what!"
          Wife: "On what?"
          Lad: "In oil."
          The wife is gone ... Comes:
          "Listen, we don't have oil ..."
          Boy: "Then on lard!"
          The wife climbed into the cellar, comes:
          "Listen, there is no bacon either ..."
          Boy: "Then just fire!"
          The wife is gone, comes again:
          "Honey, we don't even have gas ..."
          The lad out of grief takes the hare by the ears and out the window: "Damn you!"
          And the hare runs into the forest and shouts: "GLORY to Ukraine! GLORY to the heroes !!!"
        2. 76rtbr
          76rtbr 22 May 2014 04: 16
          0
          yes not glory, but fat to heroes, heroes of fat
      3. bulvas
        bulvas 21 May 2014 18: 33
        +5
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Maybe the truth, or maybe not?



        Lipa, while there is no legitimate authority, no one will go to such transactions
        1. matross
          matross 21 May 2014 19: 19
          +7
          Quote: bulvas
          Lipa, while there is no legitimate authority, no one will go to such transactions

          Well, there will never be legitimate authority in Ukraine. And soon Ukraine itself may not become. So the West may have to forge iron on the spot. Moreover, with the exception of missile defense, this is all assignment to private companies; they are only indirectly related to state power. With missile defense it is more difficult, but it is impossible to exclude a leak to evaluate the reaction and to provoke Russia again.
        2. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 21 May 2014 19: 46
          +1
          Quote: bulvas
          Lipa, while there is no legitimate authority, no one will go to such transactions

          They have just given the IMF 3,2 billion under which guarantees do not apply.
          1. Heinrich ruppert
            Heinrich ruppert 21 May 2014 20: 10
            -1
            Quote: Sith Lord
            They have just given the IMF 3,2 billion under which guarantees do not apply.


            And they gave this money without guarantees. So if they (the Navy) did not do it. There is very little vulgarity for the elections to the European Parliament. They would have completely lost their "trust" without this tranche. And this money is "collected" from all countries of the European Union.
        3. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 21 May 2014 22: 48
          +2
          Quote: bulvas
          Lipa, while there is no legitimate authority, no one will go to such transactions

          Here I am about the same.
      4. winkiller
        winkiller 21 May 2014 18: 39
        +1
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Territories near Kharkov are being transferred to the NATO bloc to host the American missile defense systems, the American aviation link to cover missile defense facilities !!

        If so, then Kharkov will certainly be helped to separate and no pro will save.
      5. Heinrich ruppert
        Heinrich ruppert 21 May 2014 18: 39
        +2
        Quote: Sith Lord
        GETTING FREE
        transferred to the ownership of the American company Chevron, owners
        Mariupol, Zaporizhzhya, Dnepropetrovsk Metallurgical Combines are OBLIGED to transfer 60% of the shares of companies to the ownership of the GERMAN Ruhr company, the coal production of Donbass is transferred to the FINNISH daughter of Ruhrl.


        It seems to me that this is not true.
        If Ruhr "gets it", Then they "cross the road" E-ON and RWE. And this is already a big intra-European or, more precisely, an intra-German war. This will mark the final split among energy suppliers in Germany. And no one knows what consequences this will have.
      6. awg75
        awg75 21 May 2014 18: 57
        +1
        this is nonsense Mr. Sith !!! do not read scary tales at night
      7. daemon
        daemon 21 May 2014 18: 59
        +7
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Coal production of Donbass is transferred to the Finnish daughter of Ruhrl.


        yeah, now they’re waiting for them there, they won’t wait already, there soon full nationalization will begin and no one will talk to them, because Turchinov is not recognized as president;)
      8. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 21 May 2014 22: 47
        0
        This will not happen ... Rather, there will be a bare steppe ...
      9. lukke
        lukke 21 May 2014 23: 27
        +1
        I think such goals would not have been missed by the GDP otherwise our SVR and GRU would break through "fat from the fly"
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    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 May 2014 17: 57
      +10
      Anatoly Antonov, Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia, noted earlier that Russia would withdraw the troops, but did not understand exactly how far such a withdrawal from the borders with Ukraine should be in order to calm the West.
      We won’t even take them away from the Urals. I’m tired of the west, there’s nothing to take away, I’ll put them there all the time and let them sit. We still have to put the field.
      1. grandfather_Kostya
        grandfather_Kostya 21 May 2014 19: 36
        +7
        If you do not notice the withdrawal of troops east of the Ukrainian border, you must withdraw to the west! The center of Europe will be just right.
    3. jjj
      jjj 21 May 2014 18: 00
      +12
      The whole point is that Western intelligence services again "slept through" the redeployment of Russian military units. It was not carried out yesterday. Well, the Commander-in-Chief noticed: they say, when the clouds scatter, everyone will see. Invisible movement of troops is aerobatics of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff
      1. MBA78
        MBA78 21 May 2014 18: 07
        +5
        = strong army = even if it will be in Africa - it will still interfere with the palate
      2. IOwTZ
        IOwTZ 21 May 2014 18: 17
        +24
        In my opinion, the Kiev Reich will begin the denouement in the second or third week of June, after negotiations on gas. There will be a serious buildup of ukrovoysk in the South-East at times, heavy artillery will be brought up. It turns out that the assault will begin at the end of May at the beginning of June, Akhmetov's punitive forces will operate inside, Putin has no choice, since the Reich will not compromise under any circumstances, which, in principle, the junta does not hide. After the "elections", the destruction of the DPR is a matter of time, if Russia does not provide assistance to the South-East, the consequences for Russia itself will be catastrophic, the GDP rating will fall to the administrative resource, and in a short time, Russian militias may appear on the territory of Russia itself, which Western puppeteers will certainly take advantage of ...
        Someone, something said about the protection of compatriots, the Federation Council gave the go-ahead to the president to send troops to protect them and at the same time puffed out like roosters at dawn from their own determination. How did it end? We are already ready to assist the junta in holding elections, refused to support the protesters against the junta in southeastern Ukraine. Our "stop babysitting!" with gas slipped to the next verbiage.
        And that's all after Odessa and Mariupol.
        In the short term, if the gdp follows this path, it will undoubtedly strangle the sprouts of the Russian revolution, but not for long, because based on this situation, the Russians will perceive everything that happens as follows: Odessa Khatyn where the Russians were burned, there was no punishment when the Russians were indignant, the same Khatyn happened, only now in Russia itself and in the Donbass.
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        2. Aryan
          Aryan 21 May 2014 18: 36
          +1
          don't lose heart, IOwTZ
          not so dark
          you just need to disperse on your territory, so that without stopping by inertia to Brussels! good
        3. avia1991
          avia1991 21 May 2014 18: 40
          +7
          Quote: IOwTZ
          We are already ready to assist the junta in holding elections, refused to support the protesters against the junta in southeastern Ukraine. Our "stop babysitting!" with gas rolled down to the next verbiage.
          And that's all after Odessa and Mariupol.

          Tough and fair! ..
          The problem is that "there is no shouting to Olympus", the authorities all over the world hear the "voice of the people" only when it is convenient for them.
          I don’t know what the President’s plans are, I still want to hope that decisiveness will be shown .. But in front of the South-East, even in spite of their "Laziness, unwillingness to fight," I, as a Russian, am ashamed.
          1. anfil
            anfil 21 May 2014 19: 07
            +3
            Once again I want to emphasize that this was not done because we are embarrassed to keep our troops there, we are a sovereign state and keep our troops wherever we want, but to create additional favorable conditions for the upcoming elections in Ukraine (presidential election of 25 on May) , so that there is no speculation around this, this decision has been made.


            It's just that VVP is a gentleman, worried about the health of some western old women, otherwise some of them are already tearing their "roof", asking to recognize the elections in Ukraine, which have not yet taken place.

            German Chancellor Angela Merkel called on Russian President Vladimir Putin to accept the results of the presidential election in Ukraine, scheduled for May 25 2014, and to respect the decision of Ukrainian voters, Deutsche Welle reports.


            Well, figs to you, not elections wassat
            1. igordok
              igordok 21 May 2014 19: 42
              +4
              Quote: anfil
              Well, figs to you, not elections

              1. anfil
                anfil 21 May 2014 20: 13
                +2
                I’m saying that there will not be any 25 elections in May.

                If earlier on the air of the Public Radio, the deputy chairman of the CEC, Andrei Mager, said that voting at individual polling stations is unlikely to take place as such. And from the point of view of the law on presidential elections in Ukraine, election results are set regardless of the number of polling stations or the number of constituencies in which elections did not take place. "
                Magera stressed that these elections are extremely important, as their result will remove any claims to the legitimacy of the Ukrainian government.

                And now 112 already refers to CIS-EMO, to the legal case that not all of Ukraine (the situation in Crimea) can vote.

                CIS-EMO was created and registered in Russia in September 2003 as an international non-governmental organization.


                igordok, does this surprise you?
                1. igordok
                  igordok 21 May 2014 21: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: anfil
                  igordok, does this surprise you?

                  In Ukraine ..... nothing can surprise me.
                2. Ilja 22
                  Ilja 22 22 May 2014 06: 30
                  0
                  But what kind of elections can there be, what legitimacy, what is it all about, when this happens in the country, but the elections will be held, in any situation the West with the jackals-barkers will recognize them and will sing out loud about their legitimacy, and Russia will be accused of not all the troops were withdrawn anyway !!
                  Vladimir Vladimirovich, God bless you, I think he teases all this trash by stating that he has withdrawn the troops, waiting for the reaction of these bumps, then scoffs at them, the more they bark and condemn, the worse they do to themselves
        4. PATHuK
          PATHuK 21 May 2014 19: 52
          +6
          Quote: IOwTZ
          We are ready to assist the junta in conducting elections


          Somehow you are not farsighted reasoning. By removing troops from the border, Putin deprived the West of the next option of justifying the failure of elections in Ukraine. Now it’s impossible to say that the elections failed because of the creation of an unfavorable situation and the escalation of tension in the country by Russia, which is increasing its armed forces at the border.
          He said so: "so that there is no speculation around this", i.e. in other words: "you yourself fucked up - we have nothing to do with it"))

          And to return the troops - just spit. You can always start new teachings.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 21 May 2014 22: 06
            +2
            Quote: PATHuK
            Now it’s impossible to say that the elections failed because of the creation of an unfavorable situation and the escalation of tension in the country by Russia, which is increasing its armed forces at the border.

            Who told you that it won't work ?! They don't hesitate to lie about the journalists, but Russia "indignantly objects"! WHAT? WHO do you think they hear in the West?
            ..By the way, by not allowing the Ukrainian warriors to fly over our territory, we will give them a reason to scream "about hiding the truth" - and this will be immediately picked up by all Western media. BUT ONCE AGAIN TO BEND UNDER THEM !! am IS NOT MUCH HONOR? !!
      3. 77bob1973
        77bob1973 21 May 2014 20: 39
        0
        I don’t understand one thing, but where are the troops deployed in the immediate vicinity of the border with Ukraine? Maybe you just need to stand your ground and explain that there is nowhere to divert, except for the Urals!
    4. foreman SA
      foreman SA 21 May 2014 18: 57
      +15
      Already proven!
      1. jjj
        jjj 22 May 2014 00: 16
        +1
        And here without laughter. The blacks have such a foot structure that they cannot skate for long and hard. I saw it myself. Our relative was adopted by such a baby. Now he is already an adult. So, skis and skates were always a torment for him. And he runs, he jumps superbly, even in cold weather. Well, if Black’s skeleton structure was different, then hockey, skiing and biathlon would be completely different
    5. Akvadra
      Akvadra 21 May 2014 22: 40
      0
      It is necessary to move the border farther to the west, then there is no need to disturb the troops.
    6. yushch
      yushch 22 May 2014 10: 10
      -1
      And now the "progressive", there is nothing to cover. Russia did not interfere with the elections, but on the contrary helped.))
  2. Sterlya
    Sterlya 21 May 2014 17: 53
    +8
    Will the West and Kiev appreciate the wide step of Vladimir Putin?

    Of course not appreciate.
    1. raf
      raf 21 May 2014 19: 00
      +6
      These scum never appreciated and will not appreciate the good! They understand only power, and Russia, unfortunately, does not want to show it. Then at least cut off the gas, to hell, so let the rats run hohlyatsky and geyropeyskie.
  3. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 21 May 2014 17: 55
    +11
    Yes, he shouldn’t explain to anyone, or explain anything .... He added gas. Got allies. All. Now you can wait for the election of ukro-prezik (followed by the 3rd Maidan and the complete collapse of ukro-economy) and the elections to the European Parliament ....
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 21 May 2014 19: 42
      0
      Quote: DanSabaka
      Gas attached. Got allies. All. Now you can wait for the election of ukro-prezika

      The real president of Russia must do three things: add gas, have an ally, and grow a tree receiver. lol
  4. tol100v
    tol100v 21 May 2014 17: 55
    +5
    This is not an obstacle for the Airborne Forces, and for attack aircraft too.
  5. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 21 May 2014 17: 55
    +14
    You can take it away. Show goodwill. But if necessary, what will hinder us from troops from Siberia to drop even on the western border of Ukraine during the day?
    1. anfil
      anfil 21 May 2014 19: 19
      +1
      ... what’s stopping us from dropping troops from Siberia even on the western border of Ukraine during the day?


      Moreover, in July last year, the training was already there!

      According to the Ministry of Defense, up to 160 of thousands of military, 1000 units of tanks and armored vehicles, 130 planes, helicopters and long-range bombers, 70 ships were involved in the exercises. The exercises were led by the chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov.
      Military personnel have to make marches on standard equipment with a length of up to 500 kilometers to the combat training mission area

      Well, we 500 verst, two elbows on the map laughing
  6. morpogr
    morpogr 21 May 2014 17: 57
    0
    So now the border is controlled by the militia of the DPR. Here the troops have been withdrawn. The elections will be held for the illegitimate staging of the United States and the troops will return. Already on the border of the new union republic.
    1. fleks
      fleks 21 May 2014 18: 06
      +1
      in fact?
  7. melnik
    melnik 21 May 2014 17: 57
    +1
    We will take the troops to the Urals, put on skirts and we will DOWNLOAD. If after This they don’t choose ... I don’t know.
  8. urii
    urii 21 May 2014 18: 01
    +1
    than we didn’t amuse the child. if you don’t cry! how long would they be deployed troops or even enter. if necessary.
  9. siberalt
    siberalt 21 May 2014 18: 01
    +2
    The first thought that arises is what is the connection? Well, between the deployment of our military units and the Poroshenko elections in Washington for Kiev, which have already taken place in fact.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 21 May 2014 18: 25
      +14
      To bring down a wave in the west. They are shouting that if the elections fail, Russia is to blame, and we will defiantly withdraw the troops. So it will be even more difficult to explain any disruption of the election by our actions to the Yankees. Little Bear also said not in vain that we were not hired to ensure the integrity of Ukraine. In which case, of course, we will be blamed anyway, but to an even larger number of European politicians these accusations will be ridiculous. The geyropa is not a whole and the GDP is working diligently on recruiting allies. As if the Yankees did not drive a tantrum, but the degree still falls. If 2 months ago all of Europe was waiting for our tanks, now this is no longer there and a tantrum turns against them. They are shocking with sanctions, and we are repairing the primus and are not doing anything evil. They sponsor an army of ukrov and executions of civilians, and we call for peace and negotiations. Every day they look dumber, especially since they have no result in Ukraine. And even if then we intervene, then clearly we will not succeed in exposing us to villains and there will be no isolation.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 21 May 2014 18: 44
        +2
        Quote: g1v2
        and we defiantly withdraw troops.

        And who said that we take away? All Western media say the opposite, so no matter where ours are. With the same success, they might not have taken it away ..
        1. max702
          max702 21 May 2014 19: 08
          +3
          And I’m not saying that what and how we do it, but how it is served there. Now, if they had smeared a gas and oil tap simultaneously from the heart, then they would have listened to what the Minister of Defense said, and zero .. The weak do not hear and do not listen, but only point and order .. All our peace initiatives are empty sound no more ..
  10. Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin 21 May 2014 18: 01
    +3
    On the day of pseudo-elections, Russia begins to conduct exercises in the immediate vicinity of the border with the former Ukraine, so that’s all the norm. We are always there)
  11. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 21 May 2014 18: 01
    +6
    Will the West and Kiev appreciate Vladimir Putin’s step?

    ... if only all the armed forces of Russia are "redeployed" to the Far East, but then, again, Japan will howl ...
    So, where you don't "take" Putin the Army and the Navy, you won't please everyone.
    1. PiP
      PiP 21 May 2014 19: 25
      +2
      Quote: ia-ai00
      "relocated" to the Far East

      I took it off my tongue laughing - wanted to offer Sakhalin laughing Then the crisis will begin already in the Far East and everything will go in a circle, Japan will demand to withdraw, we will transfer to the north, some Greenland will start to cry, etc.
  12. Gloria45
    Gloria45 21 May 2014 18: 04
    +2
    21 May 2014, 16: 29 (Moscow time) | Politics | RIA News
    Some Ukrainian radicals have already been detained in Russia, Putin said
    SHANGHAI, May 21 - RIA News. Representatives of some Ukrainian radical groups have already been detained in Russia, said Russian President Vladimir Putin.


    “We are most attentively watching all the movements of some radical groups in Ukraine, there are already detainees in Russia,” Putin told reporters.

    “The FSB’s bodies are quite closely monitoring their movements in Ukraine and their movements across the Russian-Ukrainian border,” he said.
  13. Russ69
    Russ69 21 May 2014 18: 04
    +3
    And, for the umpteenth time already withdrawing troops? Moreover, they stated that they were not there.
    Somehow, everything is muddy ... smile
  14. northern
    northern 21 May 2014 18: 07
    +1
    Well, the troops moved, you think. For the troops, this is just another routine of deployment-deployment. It will be necessary - moved where necessary and very quickly.
  15. bronik
    bronik 21 May 2014 18: 08
    +1
    Decisions are made by the president - you have to wait.
  16. Sergey Eagle
    Sergey Eagle 21 May 2014 18: 08
    0
    Statements are being made that ordinary citizens may perceive as a refusal of support from Russia for new state entities in the territory of New Russia. Maybe it would be better to say that the troops are being withdrawn in order to exclude provocations and accusations of pressure on Ukraine from Russia during the election period?
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 21 May 2014 18: 27
      +7
      Quote: Sergey Eagle
      Maybe it would be better to say that the troops are being withdrawn in order to exclude provocations and accusations of pressure on Ukraine from Russia during the election period?

      he already said so
  17. alexdol
    alexdol 21 May 2014 18: 08
    +3
    But I do not quite understand the meaning of this withdrawal of troops .. On the one hand, Moscow has repeatedly stated that it considers the current government in "Ukraine" not legitimate and even called it JUNTA, but now it wants to facilitate the normal conduct of "ELECTIONS"? Is it possible that these "elections" will be followed by the recognition of their results ...
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 21 May 2014 18: 28
      +5
      Quote: alexdol
      but now he wants to contribute to the normal conduct of "ELECTIONS"?

      sure. not with the junta because he talk
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 21 May 2014 18: 48
        -1
        Quote: Lukich
        not with the junta because he talk

        Really..
      2. max702
        max702 21 May 2014 19: 12
        +3
        And that as a result of the elections, someone from the junta will come to OFFICIAL power? Do you really doubt it?
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 21 May 2014 22: 30
          +1
          Quote: max702
          Do you really doubt it?

          Learn to guess sarcasm, sir! I just have no doubt. Is your minus? Thanks for the spontaneous reaction ..
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 21 May 2014 18: 47
      +1
      Quote: alexdol
      Is it possible that these "elections" will be followed by the recognition of their results ...

      Naryshkin hinted at a probable recognition a week ago.
  18. Geos-y
    Geos-y 21 May 2014 18: 08
    +10
    So do we support fascist elections in Ukraine? Well, let's create comfortable conditions for them, recognize them as legitimate and help destroy the pro-Russian separatists! Too tricky game or ... ???????????? Sadly, I don’t want to be disappointed. what I remember the information slipped through, after the arrival of the CIA director, when the go-ahead was given to the ATO and victims were made up to 10 thousand, then the ukram was told that Russia would not intervene. Everything has already been decided ???????? I'd like to make a mistake. stop
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 21 May 2014 19: 29
      +2
      Everything is simpler - we do not support, but we do not interfere pointedly. It is already clear that the Ukram elections will only bring even more headaches. On the road there is a rule 3D- give the way to the fool. They have already done more for the collapse of Ukraine than we ourselves could have done if we wanted to, and with each action they are more and more tied up in the swamp.
  19. thinker
    thinker 21 May 2014 18: 09
    +2
    Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said the US missile cruiser Vella Gulf will enter the Black Sea by the end of this week.
    20 May 2014, 23: 30

    Is this also for favorable conditions for the May 25 elections in Ukraine?
    1. the villain
      the villain 21 May 2014 18: 24
      0
      Interestingly, this sulph, too, as well as the cookie will be bent, or what will they surprise others with?
      1. northern
        northern 21 May 2014 18: 33
        +3
        No, these will be bickering over the radio with a lighthouse, as in Zadornov’s humor.
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 21 May 2014 18: 50
        0
        Yes, shhas! They will take the ships to the beaches, and they will wave flags! It is said: we will not provoke the West! Externally, we respect their opinion ..
    2. Escander_84
      Escander_84 21 May 2014 19: 16
      0
      I don’t know how for the elections, but the gunners from "Fiolent" will definitely practice!)))
  20. urii
    urii 21 May 2014 18: 13
    0
    Quote: alexdol
    But I do not quite understand the meaning of this withdrawal of troops .. On the one hand, Moscow has repeatedly stated that it considers the current government in "Ukraine" not legitimate and even called it JUNTA, but now it wants to facilitate the normal conduct of "ELECTIONS"? Is it possible that these "elections" will be followed by the recognition of their results ...

    Medvedev said yesterday Russia does not recognize the election
  21. gmasterbit
    gmasterbit 21 May 2014 18: 14
    +7
    troops should be withdrawn as far as possible ... approximately to washington
  22. Everest2014
    Everest2014 21 May 2014 18: 15
    0
    Quote: Sith Lord
    Maybe the truth, or maybe not?

    None of the major publications wrote anything like this. Neither interfax nor lenta.ru. Artifice.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 21 May 2014 18: 53
      0
      Quote: everest2014
      Neither interfax nor lenta.ru. Artifice.

      And our media will not advertise such things! Think for yourself what will happen if such infa turns out to be true in something ..
  23. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 21 May 2014 18: 20
    +19
    1. signing a gas contract with China - done.
    2. collection of documents on the South Stream - done.
    3. oil contract with Iran - in the summer.
    4. Qatar is here something repainted and is fooling with the Russian Federation and Iran about the strengthening of the role of GECE with the control of the gas market ...

    Imagine if ALREADY entered the SE and would impose sanctions on the 3 category against Russia? Yes, China and Iran would dictate their prices on these contracts ...

    And we are not waiting for SE in the NOW widespread support, alas, this is not the Crimea. I hope this is understandable to many now, especially the rattles who saw the Army only in the movies.
    Donbass has not risen yet, just DO NOT RISE.
    The Natsiks are sleeping and seeing that the Russian Federation gets involved NOW in the SE - for them this is the EXIT from the impasse.
    - That's when the plants get up (the wide ones do not want to supply products to the Russian Federation),
    - That's when there will be nothing to eat (sowing is half-torn),
    - Freezing pensions, salaries with hyperinflation,
    Only then will the people rise ...
    It’s just fucking bad that the militias have to endure while the Mayakhataskrai rises and the miners come out of the faces ...
    Help the militia must and in every possible way support ANY WAYS all this time.

    Here are the answers why the Russian Federation does not go to SE ...
    It’s possible to calculate for yourself when IT can happen ...

    ...................................

    ps And the Eurasian Union will work in full force only by the 1 of January ...

    pss By the way, the "withdrawal of troops" by 5-20 km is a laugh. Here if BTGr begin to disband and send units to the PDA according to staffing - only then is it possible to say that Uncle Vova "took the troops" seriously ... I hope the military does not need to explain this, and so everyone understood it.
    wink
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 21 May 2014 18: 37
      +5
      Quote: Aleks tv
      units in the full-time management plan according to the staffing table

      Hi Lesh. We used to decipher the PPD: Have a Smoke Fly laughing
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 21 May 2014 18: 49
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        Our PDPs were decoded as follows: Smoked Fly

        laughing

        Hi Sanya!
        At us, the land explorers, nevertheless, are a little different ...
        It happens with us in LDPE.

        By the way, tomorrow I will call Andryukha - he has "today".
        I did not bother.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 21 May 2014 18: 57
          +1
          I remember Lesh. I will also ring.
  24. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 21 May 2014 18: 20
    +7
    Quote: GEOS-Y
    So do we support fascist elections in Ukraine? Well, let's create comfortable conditions for them, recognize them as legitimate and help destroy the pro-Russian separatists! Too tricky game or ... ???????????? Sadly, I don’t want to be disappointed. what I remember the information slipped through, after the arrival of the CIA director, when the go-ahead was given to the ATO and victims were made up to 10 thousand, then the ukram was told that Russia would not intervene. Everything has already been decided ???????? I'd like to make a mistake. stop

    No, we just show that we don’t bother them.
    And in general, apparently our policy is to calmly wait for a complete complete collapse. Or a lot of blood, alas! Unfortunately, we can’t officially go there now. Until the Ukrainians sit on their own in a dunghill and ask for help themselves. Five hundred years later they will tell the children that there was a great prosperous power, the birthplace of elephants and wheels, but dirty, stupid barbarians from the east came and ruined it.
    1. jktu66
      jktu66 21 May 2014 18: 57
      +1
      And in general, apparently our policy is to calmly wait for a complete complete collapse.
      A very correct assumption, while supporting New Russia, of course
    2. Geos-y
      Geos-y 21 May 2014 20: 37
      0
      So everything is clear that the troops have nothing to do there.
    3. IgorM
      IgorM 21 May 2014 21: 15
      0
      Yes, that's right. It is wild to read that in the Donbass, some are on the barricades, while others hold rallies for the oligarch. Well, what do we do there? The pendulum needs help in acceleration, and not on the return trip.
  25. Giant thought
    Giant thought 21 May 2014 18: 20
    +2
    The West will not only not see this, it will also blame for non-existent sins, almost according to Krylov: you are to blame only for what I want to eat.
  26. Rock2
    Rock2 21 May 2014 18: 24
    -2
    I don’t understand what the catch is?
  27. alex-cn
    alex-cn 21 May 2014 18: 25
    +3
    Alternatively, the troops were withdrawn and the weapons were "forgotten." But seriously, the presence or absence of our troops on the border in this case does not change anything. We will not introduce them - this is only expected of us, but Westerners have fewer reasons to stink.
  28. Luga
    Luga 21 May 2014 18: 27
    +8
    The fact that militarily the location of our troops does not really matter is, of course, understandable. Their mobility, organization, and professionalism have been repeatedly proven (how pleasant it is to say such words about your own army! good ).
    And what does this (in the sense of withdrawal of troops) give us in the political sense?
    Personally, I see that our president in every possible way demonstrates Russia's disinterest in any outcome of the political crisis in the rest of Ukraine. Like, "but we don't care." However, these demonstrations are so straightforward and simplistic that it begs the idea that they are intended exclusively for use abroad. The washed, pristine brains of the European man in the street are capable of perceiving only the most primitive premises.
    With their statements, which many have called slippery at the VO, etc., the lack of open recognition of the DPR and demonstrative peace-loving actions, our leadership puts the Western leaders in an ambiguous position, talking with their electorate in a language that is understandable to those. At the same time, it manages to utter its remarks so that Russia is not suspected of weakness or indecision, which is very important.
    As a result, the visible part of the iceberg looks quite presentable and peaceful. And the invisible one consists of a set of quiet, inaudible measures aimed at ensuring the security of the DPR leaders, providing the self-defense forces with everything they need: medicines, ammunition, food, satellite, intelligence and military intelligence, etc. Moreover, this is done according to the principle "necessary and sufficient", that is, strictly dosed.
    Who of the members of the forum seriously thinks that the DPR would hold out against the junta for so long, and not just hold out, but practically, in the same positions as at the beginning of the confrontation, if there had not been this very support? And the fact that we do not know anything about her, only says that it is being carried out in the most professional way.
    And for whom in this situation time plays only time will show wink
    1. saag
      saag 21 May 2014 19: 16
      +1
      Quote: Luga
      satellite

      Yeah, somehow the info from Strelkova slipped that the Iridiums that he brought with him (is it not the terminals that he bought for an hour?) Do not work, excellent help in this case, and everything else then in the same vein
    2. max702
      max702 21 May 2014 19: 27
      -1
      Everything you wrote is beautiful! BUT the information on the actions of Russia will reach the electorate exclusively in the right form .. it is in this way that world capital is needed, all the media are under their control, and those drops of truth that leak out are gradually filtered with ever increasing efficiency .. They are hoping for the local electorate this is the same mistake as 41g hoped for by the German proletariat that the worker would not kill the worker! Let it be, and then, and even more so now, when the methods of zombie the population have grown by orders of magnitude compared to the 30-40 years of the last century. It will just be like trying to grab Libya with the wrong hands and quietly, but I couldn’t, then they spat on polites and They spread the country with aviation and special forces from all over the world. They achieved their goals. It will be the same here, but it will have to be fought seriously and this must be understood, everything has already been decided, the GDP is taking time as Stalin is 39 trying to prepare the country for war .. at least I hope so .. (what’s preparing the country, really then sluggish)
      1. saag
        saag 21 May 2014 20: 02
        +1
        And where did Stalin pull in the 39th time? The Munich agreement on the division of Europe was earlier, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in the 41st, what are you talking about?
      2. Luga
        Luga 22 May 2014 00: 09
        -1
        Quote: max702
        information on Russia's actions will reach the electorate exclusively in the right form ..

        I recall the statement of Hitler (?) That one cannot deceive everyone and all the time. Water wears away the stone. Information leaks out, most, of course, do not care, but "nothing on earth passes without a trace" smile
        Quote: max702
        GDP pulls time like Stalin in 39 trying to prepare the country for war ..

        I don’t believe in that. They will not dare to bomb (mattresses and especially geyroptsy) bomb their planes in the immediate vicinity of our borders. Syria was not touched, the DPR will also be afraid. Everyone has something to lose.
      3. Luga
        Luga 22 May 2014 00: 09
        -1
        Quote: max702
        information on Russia's actions will reach the electorate exclusively in the right form ..

        I recall the statement of Hitler (?) That one cannot deceive everyone and all the time. Water wears away the stone. Information leaks out, most, of course, do not care, but "nothing on earth passes without a trace" smile
        Quote: max702
        GDP pulls time like Stalin in 39 trying to prepare the country for war ..

        I don’t believe in that. They will not dare to bomb (mattresses and especially geyroptsy) bomb their planes in the immediate vicinity of our borders. Syria was not touched, the DPR will also be afraid. Everyone has something to lose.
  29. Bormental
    Bormental 21 May 2014 18: 28
    +2
    The ground forces have nothing to do there now. And everything else is delivered in 15 minutes. Warhead is faster.
  30. Lukich
    Lukich 21 May 2014 18: 31
    +6
    Yes, even let him take them to Moscow. The Air Force is in place, the Airborne Forces too. but no more
  31. rereture
    rereture 21 May 2014 18: 33
    -6
    Uncle Vova threw everyone.
  32. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 21 May 2014 18: 33
    -3
    The President said that the withdrawal of troops is aimed at creating favorable conditions for the May 25 elections in Ukraine.
    M-yes-yes. And? Now, what-wait for help-the junta from Russia? Lithuania, for fascism, was given concessions on gas.
    May 21, 2014 Russia introduces criminal liability for organizing unauthorized actions and pickets. Now, for an uncoordinated rally, you can go to jail for up to five years. The reason for the tightening of measures is the desire to protect the country from the Ukrainian scenario, reports “Lenta.ru”. The State Duma adopted the bill in the first reading. In the event of the final adoption of amendments to the Criminal Code, article 212.1 appears, establishing liability for “repeated violation of the procedure for organizing or holding a meeting, rally, demonstration, procession or picket”. Sanctions are foreseen in the amount of 600 thousand to 1 million rubles, compulsory work is planned up to 480 hours, correctional labor for one to two years, forced labor or imprisonment up to five years. Criminal liability will fall on the “repeat offenders" who were involved more than two times in six months for the same violation at rallies
    Source: http://www.sobaka.ru/city/city/23448 sobaka.ru All rights reserved. ©
    He took the first commentary on this law. Cleaning up the dissent?
    Add also that governors in turn stood for early elections.
    Something I thought. What are they pushing for Ukrainian events?
    1. rereture
      rereture 21 May 2014 18: 45
      -3
      Push the country to the abyss with its tightening screws. This can be compared with a steam boiler, if the pressure rises above the calculated one, then the cover, no matter how you screw it on, will still rip off.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 21 May 2014 19: 48
        +3
        Quote: rereture
        Pushing ...

        While the attention of the society is occupied by the Ukrainian crisis, today is May 21 this year. The State Duma quietly adopted in the second reading an amendment to the Constitution, which once again limits the principle of separation of powers in Russia, strengthening the status of the President.
        We are talking about the draft law of the Russian Federation on an amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation "On the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation." According to the amendment to the Constitution, the President of Russia will have the right to independently appoint 10% of the members of the Federation Council and dismiss them from office. The rest of the senators will be empowered according to the previous rules - two representatives from each region. Moreover, the "presidential" members of the Federation Council, in contrast to the "regional" ones, will have increased guarantees of irremovability - even the new president will not be able to remove them from office during his first term. Worse, the term of office of the “presidential” senators is essentially life-long - it is not specified in the bill at all.

        It seems that today we have a day of "support" for democracy not so much in Ukraine as in Russia.
        1. rereture
          rereture 21 May 2014 20: 36
          +1
          Yes, in general, horseradish understand what is going on, now calm down while painting. I think you need to wait for what this will give.
  33. Lukich
    Lukich 21 May 2014 18: 36
    +11
    but generally good news
    And about. Chairman of the Lugansk Regional State Administration Irina Verigina said last night that "in the Antratsitovsky district, near Sverdlovsk, the Dolzhansky point is the border is open with Russia."

    Verigina emphasized that people from Russia are constantly, unhindered from this border checkpoint to Ukraine.

    It was at the Dolzhansky border checkpoint on May 17 that the people's governor of the Lugansk People’s Republic Valery Bolotov was detained by the border guards, but as a result of a fierce battle, the militia recaptured him from the border guards.

    Earlier, on May 18, in Donetsk, on Lenin Square, a rally was held for opening borders with Russia. Activists of the rally said that Ukrainian border guards do not miss humanitarian aid from Russia. “We know that in Russia a lot of people want to help the DPR, but due to the fact that the borders are closed, customs does not allow humanitarian supplies. For the Donetsk People’s Republic, the opening of borders is a priority task, the task of survival. ”

    If the militia of Donbass so far have a dialogue with border guards, then in the Luhansk region this issue has already been decided.
  34. pvv113
    pvv113 21 May 2014 18: 37
    +5
    West blames Russia again
    The West is like a ram - it will beat its forehead until it knocks out the remnants of the brain
    1. raf
      raf 21 May 2014 19: 07
      0
      laughing So the fact of the matter is that the Gayropeans do not have brains, otherwise they would not arrange "Polovtsian dances" according to the tune of mattresses, they would not produce fagots and pedophiles.
    2. Victor-M
      Victor-M 21 May 2014 21: 47
      0
      Quote: pvv113
      The West is like a ram - it will beat its forehead until it knocks out the remnants of the brain

      Maybe on the contrary, he wants to beat him there (in the head). Alas. It doesn’t reach through the head, it will reach through the butt *, especially in the West it is more convenient. laughing
  35. Lukich
    Lukich 21 May 2014 18: 42
    +5
    Quote: pvv113
    will beat his forehead until he knocks out the remains of the brain

    there is already no residue left. two convolutions, Russia is to blame and sanctions
  36. Artyom
    Artyom 21 May 2014 18: 44
    0
    in consolation, I can say that only in Crimea, according to the latest data, there were about 25 thousand infantry troops!
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 21 May 2014 18: 46
      +16
      A little off topic. Congratulations!
      1. Roman 57 rus
        Roman 57 rus 21 May 2014 21: 56
        +3
        I join in the congratulations! Years!
  37. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 21 May 2014 18: 47
    +2
    Stop guessing, speculating. I tried it myself, spat. I will say this, on behalf of those friends who are in uniform - the mood is "business trip", although they themselves do not really know anything, "the chuyka plows". The game and solutions are all at high levels, there are practically no "leaks" as we observe ... We will wait and see.
  38. mamont5
    mamont5 21 May 2014 18: 48
    +1
    "Russia will withdraw its troops, but it just does not understand exactly how far such a withdrawal from the borders with Ukraine must be carried out in order to calm the West."

    I suggest, to the east, there across the Pacific Ocean and to America itself. Let's stop in Washington. Such a challenge, I think, will be to everyone's liking. Well, or almost everyone.
  39. sv68
    sv68 21 May 2014 18: 51
    +1
    now, in connection with the displacement of the border beyond the borders of the Donetsk republic, troops will also be moved there
  40. jktu66
    jktu66 21 May 2014 18: 52
    +1
    Russia will withdraw its troops, but it just doesn’t understand how exactly such a withdrawal from the borders with Ukraine needs to be carried out,
    It is necessary to withdraw to the Kaliningrad region, presidential elections in Lithuania have already passed smile
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  42. combat66
    combat66 21 May 2014 18: 54
    -2
    Yes, the situation is changing with the speed of a bullet. Who suggested in January that the Russian Crimea would already be without water in May? wink So the army, as in "Ivan Vasilyevich" mechezza .... but if necessary "Kazan" will take.
    Time is like that, all on hard nerves. The bruises after the fight will hurt, but for now, we’ll gouge, we'll see whose one it takes!
  43. rereture
    rereture 21 May 2014 18: 54
    -3
    You can call me a provocateur, but still the authorities do not give a damn about all the inhabitants, not only in Russia, but also in the newly joined republic of Crimea.

    Labor migrants will be attracted to work in the created special economic zone in Crimea. This was announced on Wednesday by the head of the Federal Migration Service (FMS) of Russia Konstantin Romodanovsky in the State Duma.

    So far, the work of the FMS on the peninsula, according to him, is limited to issuing passports. But in parallel, work was also organized with foreign citizens - the issuance of migration cards, the issuance of patents, registration of foreign passports, etc.


    http://www.rg.ru/2014/05/21/migranti-site-anons.html
    1. rereture
      rereture 21 May 2014 19: 31
      -6
      That's right, idolize the power and the king. Which poured about the "protection of the Russians", the "protection of the Russian-speaking" population. But in fact it oppresses, brings in migrants (at his own initiative), tightens the screws with idiotic laws. Open your eyes, instead of removing destabilizing factors (for example, migrants), our government, on the contrary, does everything contrary to the will of the people.
      1. Saburov
        Saburov 21 May 2014 21: 03
        +5
        If you were a little more insightful, you would not have asked questions about migration policy for a long time. Firstly, we no longer live in a socialist state of the USSR, but in a market economy in the Russian Federation, but in a market economy, the law is one-raising incomes and lowering costs, so migration policy is a tool to reduce state spending and we did not come up with it, USA with 60x migrants to grab because of low pay, modest requirements and high efficiency. You imagine what you need to build, repair, kindergartens, schools, roads, sidewalks, houses, do hard work and so on, how much money you ask for it ? So here is a double-edged sword, even if you take all my friends, then 95% of them were built by migrants. Another conversation, of course, is about the qualification of migrants and their use in private companies, which are thus welded up to deceit, but there is no good without bad, as according to Lomonosov — if it has disappeared somewhere, then it has arrived somewhere. And if you look at state-owned enterprises, even they attract migrants to work, mainly for heavy and physical work, no more, but migrant specialists, they already go on other lists — these are turners, milling machines, electricians, engineers, etc. they already work, on completely different conditions. So again, migration policy is a way to reduce government spending. And do not shout, supposedly migrants are taking your bread, I doubt very much that you will mix concrete for 5 thousand rubles a month from 8 in the morning until 6 in the evening, carry reinforcement and do heavy work.
        PS By the way, the repair in my kitchen was done by a former police colonel from Tajikistan, quite dignified and neatly, so you judge, if you were a former police colonel, would you work for a penny after that?
      2. Comintern
        Comintern 21 May 2014 23: 35
        0
        There is not one politician of the tsar who would have settled everyone and will not be, but your point of view is not clear to me. Do you want justice, God help you, go where you think it is not
  44. raf
    raf 21 May 2014 18: 55
    +1
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions !!! No matter how Russia indulges the West, it will still be to blame for all the "sins". All the same, the ungrateful, cynical West, together with the Kiev junta, will bend their line, even if they withdraw the troops, even if they do not withdraw, the rat squeak has stood and will remain.
  45. igorra
    igorra 21 May 2014 18: 55
    +1
    "Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Anatoly Antonov previously noted that Russia will withdraw its troops, but does not understand exactly how far such a withdrawal from the borders with Ukraine must be carried out in order to calm the West."

    - You can be on the lawn of the White House, even the main Negro of the planet, and even the Nobel laureate, is protected from Bandera.
  46. Rus62
    Rus62 21 May 2014 18: 57
    0
    No, neither the West nor Kiev will appreciate Putin’s step, since it seems that the game went one way. Russia will still be to blame.
  47. marder4
    marder4 21 May 2014 19: 04
    +1
    today they took them away, and by Monday they (the troops) will again be at the borders, well, like they didn’t complete the training program, so they returned to finish what they started)))
  48. navara399
    navara399 21 May 2014 19: 06
    +1
    I would not want to substitute the militias. I hope that they understand what is really going on and what role they are assigned. I do not think that GDP will throw the DNI. The country will not forgive him for this, whatever the sanctions from the Entente.
  49. Lukich
    Lukich 21 May 2014 19: 07
    +6
    Quote: marder4
    here we are back to finish what we started)))

    and we always bring it to the end))))
  50. 3vs
    3vs 21 May 2014 19: 16
    +2
    Yes, there will be a flood in Ukraine soon, so our troops took them away so that
    boots do not soak. smile