Ukraine is threatened by the "Yugoslav scenario"

Ukraine is threatened by the "Yugoslav scenario"

Ukraine may well repeat the fate of Yugoslavia in the coming years, the country may lose a number of territories - Romania and Hungary have territorial claims, and they express them more and more. Kiev needs to say Moscow thanks that it also does not raise the question of the eastern part of Little Russia and the Crimean peninsula. In addition, there is its own Kosovo - the problem of the Crimean Tatars. The explosion can provoke, in principle, at any time, it is enough for the special services of Turkey and the USA to “work” on the issue. After this, a scenario of interference by international forces under the auspices of the UN or NATO is already likely.


The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Hungary demanded an explanation from Kiev regarding the “survey” of residents of Transcarpathia, citizens of Ukraine, who applied for Hungarian citizenship. Budapest demands “to respect the legal and civil rights of ethnic Hungarians living in Transcarpathia”. According to the Hungarian Foreign Ministry, the Ukrainian Security Service has a psychological and even physical impact on the Hungarians, the citizens of Ukraine. A closed meeting of the Committee on Foreign Affairs and National Unity of the Hungarian Parliament was held in Budapest on this issue. State Secretary of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Hungary Zsolt Nemeth also stated: “Budapest will not tolerate such treatment with Hungarians! ..”

All the fuss broke out due to the fact that 1 January 2011, Hungary adopted a new law on citizenship, according to it, all Hungarians living outside the country can now obtain citizenship under a simplified scheme. As a result, only from January to the end of April 2011, applications for a Hungarian passport were submitted by about 70 thousand Hungarians (almost half of the Hungarians of the Ukrainian Transcarpathia). Although they violate the law of Ukraine - there is a ban on dual citizenship. The SBU is essentially occupied by the internal affairs of Ukraine, the Hungarians actually renounce Ukraine’s citizenship, and a Hungarian enclave is formed in the south-west of the state. It may well be used to begin the process of dismembering Little Russia, it may not be a simultaneous catastrophe, like the collapse of the USSR in 1991, and stretched out for many years - “chicken by grain”.

Interestingly, in Ukraine they only celebrated the “Day of Europe”, Yanukovych, continuing the words of the former Ukrainian leaders, reiterated that Kiev continues the course towards European integration. And on May 19, the Verkhovna Rada by a majority voted for the Free Trade Zone with the EU, failing Moscow’s plans to include Ukraine into the Customs Union. Maybe then anyway, who will have to give a bit of land ?! Anyway, there will be a united Europe. True, this united Europe is currently in a great crisis, in fact all the countries of Southern Europe are bankrupted - Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal. Only recently, at the congress of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) ruling in Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel came out with very strong criticism of the "quitters" of the South of Europe. She expressed the opinion of the Germans that the Southerners work a little, retire early, have long vacations, and concluded by saying: "We cannot endlessly show solidarity and agree that these countries (Greece, Portugal and Spain) continue to act as before. Germany will help, but Germany will help only when they themselves begin to make some effort. And not only in words, but also in deeds. " Berlin is bored of dragging the economy of Europe on itself; without other countries, it would be easier for the Germans. And taking Ukraine, with its heap of colossal problems, during the world crisis, which is only gaining momentum, is completely silly.

Moreover, a significant part of Western Ukrainians are not against inclusion in the EU, for example, in the city of Beregovo a referendum was held on renaming the city, on returning the name to it, which was before the Second World War - Beregsas. Half of the population of the city are Hungarians, but the second is Ukrainians, but the referendum on renaming was successful - so to say, “the first step”, the next will definitely be a referendum on the autonomy of Transcarpathia and Bukovina, and there it is not far to “self-determination”. In Romania and Hungary, they will be supported; in Romania, the issue of “lost territories” in the press and among politicians is regularly raised.

In Romania, since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the question of Bukovina and Bessarabia has been raised; now it is the Chernivtsi region and the western districts of the Odessa region. By the way, in these areas, citizens of Ukraine also massively receive passports, only Romania. In Romania, this operation was extremely simplified - no knowledge of Romanian is required, you only need to have a birth certificate of one of the ancestors in the territories of pre-war Romania. As a result, only in Bukovina “new Romanians” there are already more than 50 thousand people.

Another problem in Kiev is the Rusyns, their movement refuses to consider themselves Western Ukrainians, against the introduction of the Ukrainian Newspeak. They may well be supported in the West, in the same Hungary.

Results

- In Little Russia, there are processes similar to the "scenario" with the Yugoslav ones - a collapse along ethnic lines. The main fault lines: East and Crimea to Russia; Crimean Tatars are the “Albanians” of Ukraine, the scenario “Kosovo”, “Chechnya”; Border regions with Romania and Hungary are gradually moving away under their “wing”, Kiev is losing more and more levers of influence every year. There are also Galicians, the East and the Center of Ukraine are alien to them, they are for full integration with Europe.

- The Armed Forces of Ukraine are optimized by endless reductions, reforms, and, due to constant underfunding, they almost do not conduct combat training. The Navy can be said to exist only on paper, the army is going to cut even more. Therefore, soon the Ukrainian Armed Forces will not be able to defend even the border areas during the invasion of the armies of Romania and Hungary.

- The country's infrastructure is terribly worn out, huge investments are needed for its modernization, major overhaul, replacement. There is no finance in the country, or Europe can help, but it has its own problems, why solve Ukrainian problems is not clear, or Russia, but why it doesn’t understand it, it’s also not clear, we are not just one country now.

- Kiev pursues the policy of “sly chick two queens sucks,” focusing simultaneously on the EU and Russia, and even on the United States. The result of sitting "on three chairs" will definitely be disastrous.

- The population is dying out at a faster pace than in the Russian Federation, which clearly indicates the quality of management of Kiev. Small Russia has the lowest population growth in the world: at present, the population of 45 million people, according to UN forecasts, only 2030 million people will remain Ukrainians by 39 year. For comparison, in 1992, the population of Ukraine was more than 53 million people. Ukraine over the years of the “reforms” has lost only direct losses - 8 million.

- For the EU, it is foolish to attach Ukraine to you, you will need to swell fantastic amounts, with a vague prospect of return. The big question is whether the EU will survive the current global crisis. It is easier to go on the dismemberment scenarios and in parts to include the lands of small Russia in Hungary, Romania, Poland, to create several new “independent” states.

The only way to preserve integrity, to solve their problems, to secure frontiers is to go for decisive integration with Great Russia. If this is not done, Russia will be forced to return to unity, integrating the East into itself, perhaps the regions of the Center, the Crimea, otherwise they will be lost. History repeats ...
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  1. Vega
    Vega 24 May 2011 09: 28 New
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    Gleb Bobrov. "The Age of Stillbirths" The script described in the book seems to be being implemented.
  2. Vega
    Vega 24 May 2011 09: 30 New
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    Gleb Bobrov. "The Age of Stillbirths" The script described in the book seems to be being implemented.
  3. Igor
    Igor 24 May 2011 09: 56 New
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    "The only way to maintain integrity, solve their problems, secure the frontiers is to go for decisive integration with Great Russia."
    And lose independence forever!
    Brad!
    Or maybe the only way to maintain integrity, to solve their problems, to secure the frontiers is to remove the post-Soviet bygone, mentally gravitating towards Russia, to remove the fuck from power. Cattle imposing post-Soviet feudal orders. To carry out reforms following the example of the Czech Republic and Georgia. And after 10 years no one will have a thought about joining Russia.
    It was the implementation of reforms and the break with feudalism that was the main goal of the Orange Revolution in 2004. But, alas, they made a mistake with the leader. Nothing can be trusted to people with a post-Soviet mentality, even if they are verbal reflections.
    1. ald
      ald 24 May 2011 11: 51 New
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      Only a large and strong state can be truly independent. The smaller and weaker the country, the more dependent it is on others. A single state, Russia + Ukraine + Belarus, would be much more independent than one independent Ukraine.
    2. youyuyuyu
      youyuyuyu 25 May 2011 16: 45 New
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      But I’ve been taught such independence on the drum, from oil, from gas, and so on. 20 years of independence, haven’t taught anything? They ripped off everything that was inherited from the USSR, but didn’t build anything new .... Wrong with the leader? It was immediately evident that the Cossack mishandled ...
    3. Esso
      Esso 25 May 2011 20: 08 New
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      The Orange Revolution was made by the United States. The goal was to destroy the Ukrainian state, create on it a base of NATO and from there to Russia. This thief and traitor Yushchenko came out, pro-American. Here is the result. Ukraine is falling apart. I don’t understand why such a remote Soviet leadership hasn’t been there for a long time. Let’s bring everything to the USSR. They gave independence, they let pendos and Europeans come to them, they put their own, they fought with Russia, they robbed people, they don’t have money , the country is falling apart. The Russians don’t give a damn about the Belarusians to Ukraine. Either you put the leadership in a normal way, or the country falls apart, the east towards Russia and the west will be divided by the rest. Here's a look that the Ukrainians are singing for.
    4. Sergey Gromov 3 January 2020 15: 20 New
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      Igor, how are you doing there? drove off the post-Soviet mentality? now drive away the Khazar mentality
  4. fukushima
    fukushima 24 May 2011 10: 42 New
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    "remove the post-Soviet bygone from the fuck"
    ... to become a European cattle, no, rather American, following the example of Georgia.
  5. Al3XxBK
    Al3XxBK 24 May 2011 11: 02 New
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    Another nonsense:
    point number 1 to create some kind of enclave of the number of foreign population is not enough, an ethnic conflict with rapid suppression is possible.
    point number 2 Crimean Tatars hate Russia more than Ukraine
    point 3 Ukraine is much more homogeneous and indivisible than Russia
    point number 4 Even in the case of the development of such a possible but I emphasize an unlikely scenario, salvation is certainly not in the sharp "fraternal" arms of Russia
  6. yuvit
    yuvit 24 May 2011 11: 27 New
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    Well ... such fabrications can be stated in relation to any country in the world ... But the fact that present-day Ukraine, in the current full Sotava, neither Europe, nor Russia is needed - that's for sure! It is impossible to hope that a political party capable of leading Ukraine out of the crisis will come to power; Europe, America and Russia will simply not allow it to take power. Nobody needs a strong Ukraine ... Conclusions ...
  7. Ald
    Ald 24 May 2011 11: 36 New
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    Unfortunately, it seems to me that Russia has even more chances to fall apart than Ukraine. If you look at recent history, you can clearly see that the national-federal states are falling apart: the USSR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia. Moreover, having broken up, the countries of the former Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and the republics of the former Soviet Union ceased to be federations, and in Russia there remained a federal device, a mine of a delayed effect, which will work as soon as the central authorities begin to show for one reason or another (economic, political, ideological) weakness.
  8. rumpeljschtizhe
    rumpeljschtizhe 24 May 2011 12: 10 New
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    These are the problems of Ukraine and they themselves decide.
    And certainly they do not want to unite with Russia.
    I will express my opinion - every year more and more people in Russia also do not want this.
    What has passed is no longer necessary to live by realities and not projections
  9. gans
    gans 24 May 2011 12: 33 New
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    Take away Sevastopol and Crimea immediately.
  10. datur 24 May 2011 12: 41 New
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    Yes, RUSSIA is not the first to break through. but Ukrainians are unlikely.
    1. dmitri077
      dmitri077 27 January 2012 01: 17 New
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      Ukrainians simply in the Caucasus are not willing to break through ... but we will take pleasure in treatment and rehabilitation)
      1. Banderros
        Banderros 27 January 2012 01: 31 New
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        Quote: dmitri077

        Ukrainians simply in the Caucasus are not willing to break through ...

        find out who the Circassians are and what they are called, for one who are the Cuban Cossacks ... - Salabon
        1. slan
          slan 27 January 2012 01: 54 New
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          Well, finally)) The inferior learned about some of the reasons for his hereditary inferiority. You progress, tank.
  11. Vladimir
    Vladimir 24 May 2011 12: 45 New
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    I agree with rumpeljschtizhe! It is unfortunate that Gorbach was admitted to power in the USSR, and thieves came to power on his submission both in Russia and in other CIS countries from the USSR. There is simply no way out of this situation, since we don’t know the true intentions of the top management, who is standing above them, who is dancing to the tune, we are simply misinformed. Ignorance of the truth and ignorance of critical issues is the worst. There is only one way out - to arrange an artificial end of the world, since there is still gunpowder in the flasks (nuclear and atomic arsenals)!
  12. 365apv
    365apv 24 May 2011 13: 19 New
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    The article is complete insanity. In Ukraine - about 80% of the population are ethnic Ukrainians. There will be no collapse. The contradictions between the west and the east are created artificially, we have nothing to share. We will deal with different Magyars and Cygans there, Russia itself is not far from collapse. She has much more chances to shower. The main thing for Ukrainians is to get rid of the soviet syndrome, overcome this “homo sovieticus”, become normal citizens of their country, and not a gray cattle, to understand whose country it is and who is the boss here. 300 years survived, not every nation can withstand such oppression, but we live, wake up slowly. Break through !!! In short, DO NOT WAIT !!! GLORY TO UKRAINE!!!!
    1. gans
      gans 24 May 2011 13: 26 New
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      Break through unequivocally if tights do not interfere
      1. datur 24 May 2011 13: 31 New
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        gans ------ Drool and swap.
        1. gans
          gans 24 May 2011 14: 26 New
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          datur, I'm talking about hohland and what are you talking about
          1. serhio
            serhio 24 May 2011 21: 56 New
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            Two katsap chauvinists gans & datur did not understand each other :)))) They would be sitting in their faces, but they would solve their problems. We’ll decide for ourselves
            1. gans
              gans 25 May 2011 14: 24 New
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              serhio, what else did it decide to teach me what to do. We will pick up Sevastopol and Crimea and only then will you solve your problems there and think who to go to the servants to
              1. egn67
                egn67 27 May 2011 09: 03 New
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                You suck with us, and for one, and solve your problems.
            2. dmitri077
              dmitri077 27 January 2012 01: 18 New
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              they can’t understand each other, but they’re climbing on to teach someone .. clowns)
    2. Gudov Sergey
      Gudov Sergey 24 May 2011 19: 57 New
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      Well, you and I have nothing to share a clear stump — you are a driver, I’m a locksmith, third peasants, etc. Nobody will allow us to share and divide. We are divided by these fuckers who do not crawl out of the Verkhovna Rada, but from various TOK SHOWs. And the situation is really difficult. It is no longer a secret that in Western Ukraine more than 30% of the population has a second passport (Romanian, Pole, Hungarian). The same picture is in the south of Ukraine. Many people have a Russian passport. So the picture is not pleasant. And you don’t have to hover in the clouds, such as Break through, You won’t wait. Russia, it was just not enough for the Rumanians, Poles, Hungarians to tear Ukraine apart and each nibbled off their pie, like Romanians nibbled off the expanses of the Black Sea.
    3. Sergey Gromov 3 January 2020 15: 26 New
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      Well, Bandera, broke through?))) broke into the Khazaria))))
  13. datur 24 May 2011 13: 29 New
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    300 years survived, such oppression is not every nation will stand ------- who is tyrannizing you so ???? -------------- Russia itself is not far from collapse. Does she have much more chances to fall in? ------------- RUSSIA WILL BROWSE AND THERE ARE NO YOU !!!!!! PS - gans- sorry did not understand !!!
  14. Stavr
    Stavr 24 May 2011 13: 40 New
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    Vladimir Today, 12:45: “I agree with rumpeljschtizhe! It’s a pity that Gorbach was allowed to power in the USSR, thieves came to power from the USSR from Russia on his submission. There’s simply no way out of this situation , since we don’t know the true intentions of the top management, who stands above them, what tune anyone is dancing to, we are simply misinformed. Ignorance of the truth and ignorance of critical issues is the worst thing. There is only one way out - to arrange an artificial end of the world, since there’s still gunpowder in the flasks (nuclear and atomic arsenals)! "
    Yes, you are a panicist, Vladimir! Russia, Belarus and Ukraine need to unite. This is the only option to survive. There is simply no alternative! Europeans do not need Ukrainians, no matter how they try to get there. There is no army in Ukraine, say thank you to the previous presidents, especially Yushchenko. But normal people in Russia understand: we will lose Ukraine - we will lose Russia, we will lose the Caucasus - we will lose Russia. So far, only Belarus is really holding on. That is why both the West and the USA are so zealously attacking Lukashenko. Too aggressively he is against the pro-American position of "divide and conquer." And the army in Belarus, although small in number, is the most efficient and most disciplined. Slavs need to unite! And the sooner - the better, more likely to survive.
  15. Gur
    Gur 24 May 2011 14: 53 New
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    Mlyn survived .. the question of how the Slavs become leaders of the nations is no longer worth it ... just "survive" pipets .. our ancestral fathers howl in the other world with good obscenities .... well, and we. ???. or all of us just have to leave on an Internet and lament .. alas, we are not pulling .... SURVIVE!
  16. mitrich
    mitrich 24 May 2011 15: 43 New
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    Igor, AI3XxBK, 365apv,
    (barely nicked your nicknames).
    To you, residents of "independent" Ukraine, why did the USSR and Russia not please? After all, Ukraine, like Georgia, was not considered stepsons in those days, on the contrary. All the best to you, freedom lovers. Almost the entire post-war history of the Union is one solid Ukraine. Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Podgorny, Scherbitsky (you can continue as much as you like). Ukraine had its representation at the UN, along with the RSFSR and the Byelorussian SSR. In the army, in which sergeant or officer do not stick - be sure to hoh ... (Ukrainian) you will run into. It's just that Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko, Yanukovych have been dusting your brains - with the OUN and the “Holodomor”. The same Yushchenko has a wife who is an employee of the US State Department (read, the CIA). And you are being led into this. Literate people like, but like children.
    This article, in fact, speaks of only one thing. That Ukraine has not yet become independent, has not gained state sovereignty and has not become a "melting" boiler for the peoples living on its territory, such as Russia or the United States. Is that not so?
    In short, it is time to stop "dodging" on the Internet and dreaming together about the prospects of a single pan-Slavic state, which will include Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Serbia. Then we will be strong and we will turn any head together. We will go to visit each other - you are to us in Magadan, we are to you in the Crimea (if we do not take the peninsula to this, army - then you still think that it is not).
    This is my position.
  17. figwam 24 May 2011 15: 49 New
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    If NATO builds a base on the territory of Ukraine (on its fragments) we will be shitty.
  18. Max
    Max 24 May 2011 16: 49 New
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    Already this year, Ukrainians will travel to Europe without visas. The issue of a free trade zone with the EU and Ukraine has almost been resolved already. After EURO 2012, the integration process will go in 7-mile steps, and I think that by the 14th or 15th year Ukraine will be part of the EU, but not part of NATO.
    And about the referenda in the villages of western Ukraine, yes, people prefer to live in modern Europe, rather than the godforsaken villages there. The same will happen if you hold a referendum in Kaliningrad and ask a question: Do you want to live in Russia or Europe? :) The answer is clear.
    1. Sergey Gromov 3 January 2020 15: 34 New
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      Well, villager, how do you live? villages turned into cities? or maybe prices are lower than steel, and salaries and pensions are on a par with Europeans? tell me very interesting
  19. mitrich
    mitrich 24 May 2011 17: 02 New
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    max
    didn’t you understand that the EU is stillborn, like the euro? Germany and France, whose aggregate GDP exceeds the GDP of all other EU countries, are already fed up with feeding Greece and Portugal (read that Ukraine and Georgia are the USSR). By the time the "integration process starts in 7-mile steps", it may happen that the EU ceases to exist, brands, francs, guilders, etc. will go into business again. And today's Ukraine in relation to Russia reminds me of a wife who rejects the courtship of a loving husband.
    1. Al3XxBK
      Al3XxBK 25 May 2011 12: 03 New
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      By the way, say uv. Patriot The economy of the Ukrainian SSR was the second after the economy of the RSFSR in the USSR, and per capita indicators exceeded the economy of the RSFSR in many areas. But the EU will not fall apart, because in the event of a collapse, an economic collapse will occur in France and Germany (supporting other EU members, they support their sales markets.
    2. dmitri077
      dmitri077 27 January 2012 01: 20 New
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      find a wife for yourself in the Baltics
  20. Vladimir
    Vladimir 24 May 2011 17: 10 New
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    (Wrong Vladimir)
    Lord. Before advocating for unification, it is necessary to ask the people. What do you think, what percentage of Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians are ready to unite, i.e. join the structure of Russia?
    Ukraine has one unpleasant moment. Industrial production, infrastructure and everything else requires very large investments and cash injections, many of which will be repulsed after many decades. These are exorbitant amounts - several hundred billion dollars. Such a pimped Ukraine does not need Europe. There, oddly enough, they like money and count very well. But to push Ukraine away from Russia, force the latter to invest in the modernization and renewal of Ukraine, yes, they are ready for it, because they know that Ukrainians will 500% spit on Russia again and turn to Europe, but they have already been modernized, completely renovated, with a new pipe and new enterprises. Then they will be ready to consider the option of at least associative membership of Ukraine in the EU. Believe me, no less intelligent people are sitting upstairs than some comrades here on the forum. I would say much smarter, they know better. And they are no less patriots than some of you. And while everything is going right. They will not get away from us anywhere. Where did Lukashenko go? Look at what is happening to him and what will happen. So the Ukrainians. Tot sat out on two chairs, now these are trying. Their history does not teach anything.
    My opinion is only a single economic space with Russia, nothing more. Direct economic dependence on raw materials with all the ensuing gesheft for Russia.
    And as for joining, no need to fool around, gentlemen. If you still continue, then the question is: how to connect it with Belarus? Without a western? Or without a western, but with the Crimea? Or how, who will tell the mechanism? The referendum, the introduction of troops, its collapse into pieces, and only then the accession?
    And first ask the Russians if they want this? 15-20 percent - they want. Ethnic Ukrainians and old-Soviet party workers dreaming of world communism. But ask smart 20-year-olds, you will immediately hear the addressee, where you will be immediately sent.
    Or does history also teach us nothing?
  21. mitrich
    mitrich 24 May 2011 17: 13 New
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    VLADIMIR,
    Sorry for the question, but your middle name is not Vladimirovich?
    1. Vladimir
      Vladimir 24 May 2011 17: 16 New
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      No, but we think with him in the same direction, as you see. And in practice it turns out the same as in words.
  22. datur 24 May 2011 17: 17 New
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    Already this year, Ukrainians will travel to Europe without visas. The issue of a free trade zone with the EU and Ukraine has almost been resolved already. After EURO 2012, the integration process will go in 7-mile steps, and I think that by the 14th or 15th year Ukraine will be part of the EU, but not part of NATO. ------------------------------------- yes pipets crept unnoticed. or weedy grass.
  23. Vladimir
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    Max
    Ukraine denied membership and the creation of a free economic zone. A comrade from Ukraine simply does not know. The abolition of visas, as Merkel said for Ukraine will happen no earlier than the Second Coming of Christ, he doesn’t know either. Rather, he knows, he really wants to go to Russia, but he pays the price - there are always disappointments in the history of Ukraine: all attempts to fill their price and sell more expensive ended up taking her for free and for nothing.
  24. Max
    Max 24 May 2011 17: 23 New
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    Dear patriot, such countries and the largest world economies as Germany and France were one of the initiators of the creation of United Europe. This is not the first crisis that Europe is experiencing, and nothing is intact and invisible. On the contrary, it grows by leaps and bounds. Even Russia understands this and strive to the full in the WTO and the European markets. Because he knows where the real level and quality are. In truth, I would like to quickly complete the integration processes, then the domestic producer will be forced to raise the production guards in order to compete and survive on a single European market. And believe me, your Asian single market in Russia and Kazakhstan is in desperate need of this. It is better to eat quality meat and drink normal whiskey according to Western standards and live an average of 85 years than drink ethyl alcohol and eat anyway than live 65 years. Statistics are stubborn stuff ..
    * And today's Ukraine in relation to Russia reminds me of a wife who rejects the courtship of a loving husband * Such courtship rarely turned out in favor of the Ukrainian brother unfortunately. From time immemorial, the Russian authorities have had a policy of putting down the entire environment of Moscow, in favor of the Center. This also applies to ordinary Russian cities. The European sovereign is distinguished by culture and respect, and also, most importantly, equality in big business. This is a mentality, my friend. fellow
  25. mitrich
    mitrich 24 May 2011 17: 23 New
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    By the way, I really count on Putin as the future "collector" of land. I’m not talking to that Vladimir.
    1. Vladimir
      Vladimir 24 May 2011 17: 33 New
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      The form of “gathering” can be very diverse and different. If you want such an accession under the Soviet Union - as Putin himself said - "... he has no brains."
      Look, max is hanging out here from Ukraine. Try to prove to him first the need for him to join. It will be interesting to see your discussion with him. First try here. With one Ukrainian, and then transpose your desire into tens of millions.
      Can you talk Max?
  26. datur 24 May 2011 17: 32 New
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    Max,
    From time immemorial, the Russian authorities have had a policy of putting down the whole environment of Moscow, in favor of the Center. This also applies to ordinary Russian cities. The European sovereign is distinguished by culture and respect, and also, most importantly, equality in big business. This is a mentality, my friend. ------------ This is the diagnosis.
  27. mitrich
    mitrich 24 May 2011 17: 42 New
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    I’m not from Taganrog, so I’ll tell you: my wife’s "talk" problem, and you say max to reunite. Themselves dabble over time.
    1. Vladimir
      Vladimir 24 May 2011 17: 51 New
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      My advice to you is to leave this idea to persuade Ukrainians to us. They won’t come, and thank God. Let us begin to equip and ennoble ourselves, maybe for the first time in 300 years we’ll take up non-Pan-Slavism, don’t rush about like fools around Europe and save “little brothers”, but look at ourselves and try to make our life digestible from birth to death . And let Ukrainians, Bulgarians, Czechs, Belarusians worry for themselves. Maybe try once every 300 years? And as for women, Pushkin has a formula for quantitatively-qualitative relations in relations with women. It is necessary to make them all understand that they have been independent for 20 years now, and left by themselves, no one has expelled them. Let them trust in themselves. A whole generation has grown up that perceives them as alien, alien and not very fraternal. This generation requires attention to itself, and not the attitude of their Russian popes to their Ukrainian one-year-olds.
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        Relax, but what's the difference. One dick rush herself will enter the EU with all the Asian kodla. the current name will be different and we will all live by the same rules. The truth is better that they were more European))
        Read the storyteller, the conquerors of EPT and separate from the Napoleonic plans))) http://www.yaplakal.com/forum6/topic329529.html
  28. datur 24 May 2011 18: 07 New
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    Maxbroke through the youth? do not bother, otherwise the tower will be demolished from the strain !!!!!
  29. figwam 24 May 2011 20: 44 New
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    Yugoslavia was crushed so that they would no longer become our ally in future wars, Stalin, due to the uprising in Yugoslavia, delayed the start of the war by more than a month, and the United States has now built the largest military base there in Europe. Ukraine will collapse so that we never become stronger Our strength is when we are together.
  30. Victor 24 May 2011 21: 10 New
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    365apv, By the way, the question is how from Old Russian, on which Kievan Rus spoke (I emphasize Russia) the word kraina is translated. In my opinion, the border. And who lives near the border, who is he? Right-Ukrainian or border guard. And since when did border guards stand out as a separate nation?
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    I completely agree! Well done Patriot!
  32. Andrei
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    Oh guys, everything is fine, but scary for Belarus. They will tear it apart as soon as the Old Man is "merged". Let "he is a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch" (c). Terry authoritarianism, but there were at least some signs of national pride and self-awareness. But in the case, in Ukraine, he was ... he went to his native village in the Kherson region, so there is no light on the richest collective farm under the “scoop” (the cable was turned over to metal), the school was closed, there is no water - the speakers were also handed over, no work none at all. It’s really scary how people live there. Himself from BAM, so there in the north of the Russian Federation the same situation - devastation and gloom. But for that we listen to medveputes, a yanuk and an old man with a puppeteer barracks.
  33. Terminator
    Terminator 25 May 2011 16: 33 New
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    Cheap custom article, with so much illiteracy and delusional that it is visible to any sane person. Guys, open your eyes, look at your rashka (yes, yes, it’s rashka, then it’s become difficult to call the Russian Federation). You have more than 130 peoples and ethnic nationalities, which only costs the number in the pug of Ketais, Chechens, Dagestanis, Jews, Armenians, Georgians, Azeris, and other non-people. You yourself are well aware that after some 30-50 years, the Slavic-Aryans will be completely assimilated and the territory will move to ethnic autonomies. Corruption thrives on directors det. gardens and housing managers up to the Kremlin and ministries. The way in Moscow time, the redneck behaves with the numbers of AMR and Khachi, simply goes beyond the understanding of people in Kiev and Minsk. The able-bodied population is completely dependent on alcohol. Teenagers are morally degraded by tv and internet, physically-soft and nicotine. People who are still able to think understand that Raska as a territory has remained only on the map, and the Russian people are in history textbooks. People in Ukraine have nothing to share, we are one people from Donetsk to Lviv, capable of protecting the borders of our legal state. Ukrainians, Belarusians, Baltic peoples and the Caucasus did not give a damn about you. Do you really think that we need friendship with degraded alcohol-dependent carriers of AIDS and other plague? Friends, we only need your natural resources and children as slaves. Thank you for your attention, respectfully Dimka. love
    1. Vladimir
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      Timka, right. You don’t have to unite with us. I support myself again in no way dragging you to free food. Here are your own people, "from Donetsk to Lviv" and snuffle yourself independently. And the resources. Yes, you need them, and your unpretentious and seedy life depends on them. But the question is what price you will pay for it. My forecast is this - will be our controlled colony. A year or 3-4 is left. May God give you health, so that you don’t run away to the “rushka” fat-free migrant worker, we will meet here in 16 and tell us about our resources, okay, Timka?
      1. Terminator
        Terminator 25 May 2011 17: 44 New
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        The colony? Do not make me laugh, Raska has long been a raw material for us. Volodenka, look out the window, there is a line at the gas station, and the lack of fuel as such is a third of gas stations. And everything is cool here, I just refueled the 95th premium without any problems, like my friends in Europe. Volodya, we’re already scolding you for a moment, you just don’t realize this yet. And in 3-4 years, the generation of "yaga", emo, drug addicts, downs and degenerates will just grow. Which, except for organs no longer where, are not quoted.
    2. fukushima
      fukushima 25 May 2011 17: 44 New
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      oh you are an evil malice, we have nothing to do with the Lviv policemen and we have a different language - Nicht Fershtein.
      1. Terminator
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        fukushima,
        brother calm down, if you are talking about a bunch from VO "Freedom" on May 9, so this is pure provocation for 150 UAH \ snout. Look at the video as our guys shoot Svoboda from injuries. I assure you, not some “Bender and policemen” have been there since the late 90s.
        1. East 25 May 2011 20: 07 New
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          I completely agree with you my friend Terminator! Gasoline 95 premium of whose oil are you talking about? And at what price? There’s no need to divide your country at all, because, as I once correctly noted, the president of the Russian Federation, and now our prime minister, is “George, my friend, to the American president, whether we don’t share the territory from Donetsk to Lviv, and there’s no gimor NATO!" Nobody will talk to Raska, that's for sure, everyone is talking to the Russian Federation, a great power that has already revived, threw a handout to its southern neighbor and she happily signs an agreement to extend the Black Sea Fleet base. And Germany is pushing Nord Stream for us, frankly spitting on the Baltic states, really wants to be friends with us, France does not know how to talk to us to buy its Mistrals, and if necessary, they will be based on the Black Sea and your independent his ambition to himself somewhere, and will give the go-ahead for it. And it’s Ukrainian citizens who go to work in the Russian Federation, and not to Rasko, because if some freak calls my country at home, I’ll break his mouth and they don’t go to shitty Europe, they pay you less for the same labor than in the Russian Federation.
          And so, eat fat lard, and prepare the Crimea for my arrival, I will think whether it is worth spending your rubles in your poor country. And so, by the way - you are ready to accept my rubles everywhere, but your currency, sorry I forgot its name, nobody needs in my country.
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      Terminator
      did you say something?
  34. PSih2097 25 May 2011 19: 00 New
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    That Mach:
    start with the fact that western Ukraine was taken from Poland in 39g. according to the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact, it is not originally Ukrainian, when entering the EU from Ukraine it will be demanded back, the same will happen with other territories (see map).

    By year 12, you (Ukrainians) will not join either the EU (if it doesn’t fall apart by this time, especially since the big three of the EU will be against them yet no more parasites are needed), nor NATO. nobody needs you there either, except to dump your old stuff for which your grandchildren will pay.
    That Timka:
    Ukraine has already given its oil to the Romanians.
    And about tearing up the country, this can be done with any state in a unipolar world, which has been proved in the last decade.
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      No, such a card:


  35. Vladimir
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    I propose not to arrange a hohlosrach because of a virtually perfectly living one provocateur. In order to find out the standard of living in Ukraine, the degree of its decline and degradation, all of us, or at least the overwhelming majority, should simply take a phone and call there. Russia will soon monopolize all main production in Ukraine, it will take control of the financial system and that’s all. There is nothing more to do. The absolute dependence of Ukraine on Russian resources and the market, the deficit of the balance of payments, the huge public debt and the lack of investment attractiveness coupled with the inevitable increase in oil and gas prices will lead to a catastrophe in the upcoming heating season, against which the problems of Belarus will seem like just a children's party .. There is, however, one way out - a list of assets that Russia requires transferred to Azarov back in 2009 at Vnukovo-2 Airport and which they did not fulfill. Russia is now ready to change the gas pricing formula from Italian to $ 400 by the cost + transportation + formula 70% of the export duty = happiness. But the entire list of requirements, and it is on three sheets of A-4 format, they will be required to fulfill. To this list is added the prospect of closing the border for their goods from January 1, 2012. The issue of introducing barrage visas for the free movement of migrant workers is being considered. Non-members of the CU and CES will no longer have the opportunity to calmly come to work in Russia.
    With the commissioning of the second branch of the Nord Stream, and in 2015, the South, respectively, will lead to a partial and complete cessation of gas transit through the territory of Ukraine. And this is neither more nor less about 3-4 billion dollars of free profit. Huge money, the hole from which it will be almost impossible to close. This is not only 3-4 billion. This is a drop in demand and consumption, which will lead to many other problems, exacerbating the already very bad situation in this country. This is understood by both Yanukovych and Azarov. But Russia is not making concessions.
    She will not become a colony, I got excited. Russia never had colonies and never will have. It will be just a vassal. Moreover, targeted work will be carried out to undermine the political situation. The ultimate goal of which is to divide Ukraine into at least 2-3 independent states. If Romania and NATO member intervene, then all 4, and Romanian Bukovina will return with Chernivtsi at the head.
    I understand this terminator. Resentment, anger, hopelessness, the prospect of becoming on a par with the impoverished Baltic countries and Kosovo. It’s one happiness to refuel with premium, write about it with chalk on the wing of your Zaporozhets-Tavria, pound seeds from an open window and become the first guy in the village from this.
  36. mitrich
    mitrich 26 May 2011 09: 01 New
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    VLADIMIR,
    maybe you still express your opinion about the extortion of money in the Lipetsk center. And then last night I opened a notebook, looking forward to your next interesting comment (seriously, I read all your comments with genuine interest, often with pleasure), and you are all "sick" for Ukraine. We drove this topic, everyone. You still cannot convince our smaller brothers from Ukraine. One day they will ripen themselves, as DAGESTAN 333 understood the truth, who sees almost daily shootings of Russian special forces with bandits (if, of course, he lives in Makhachkala).
    1. Vladimir
      Vladimir 26 May 2011 09: 17 New
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      Honestly, not in the subject. I also heard something from the media, but I don’t know anything specifically, but I don’t have the right to reason without knowing the nuances. I know that the military prosecutor’s office, investigators and investigators are working. If everything is as it is written, then we must unequivocally prosecute everyone - from the chief Kharchevsky to the direct extortionists. And do not look at the ranks, flights with the President and other merits. This most obscene and egregious case crossed out everything from the authority of Kharchevsky to the prestige of the country. For such things it is necessary to punish mercilessly.
  37. mitrich
    mitrich 26 May 2011 09: 23 New
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    VLADIMIR,
    look at my comments for the last 2-3 days (there is such a function). You will find the article immediately.
  38. Terminator
    Terminator 26 May 2011 15: 25 New
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    Guys, I don’t want to argue about anything here anymore, I saw with my own eyes how people live in Raska, Ukraine and Belarus. According to the standard of living of an average family, I draw a conclusion about the state as a whole. You operate with some kind of quotes, numbers, facts from the media. And you open your eyes, just go outside and see what you see?
  39. datur 26 May 2011 16: 00 New
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    Terminator, you got a Bandera monkey.
  40. mitrich
    mitrich 26 May 2011 17: 47 New
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    TERMINATOR,
    I am also tired of arguing on this subject and consider it a waste of time. But nevertheless, your last comment touched a little for lively things.
    So here. He went out, opened his eyes, looked. My city (Yekaterinburg), which in Russia is usually called "Russian Chicago" (unlike Moscow, St. Petersburg and Kazan - which are the 1st, 2nd and somehow the 3rd capital of Russia) because of the large number prom enterprises and famous Ural bandits of the 1990s, over the past 10 years, has significantly changed and prettier. This is recognized even by Muscovites, who consider the most beautiful city in the world to be their own. A huge number of new modern buildings, even skyscrapers (real ones) in the city center began to appear. In general, I like what and how they began to build.
    And your “Chicago” - Dnepropetrovsk with Donetsk - can boast of their urban development success? Judging by the box, no. As in real life - I do not know.
    So come visit us - the opinion will change.
  41. 45tyr
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    Oh, Russia, Russia! "Country of masters, country of slaves!" While the gentlemen are filling their pockets, the slaves sitting at the computer with foam from their mouth, they scream about the great country until they get ready! You can’t do anything except yell! It was not you who kept them for free, but you! In your "great and mighty" of yours there is nothing but shit! Oh, that’s enough for you! Weren't the Yankees and the Angles buying oil, gas? Do not they have money deposited in the banks of the people. Is it because of the hill that orders to Medveput are coming?
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      45tyr
      How are you doing in the Khazars?
  42. fukushima
    fukushima 27 May 2011 15: 00 New
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    eh, how long should we listen to notorious clinical freaks?
  43. Vladimir
    Vladimir 27 May 2011 17: 04 New
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    Patriotand YOU say they need to be attached. These terminators and 45tyrs express the opinion of the majority of Ukrainians, by the way. Here's the attach. What to do with such newborns? To shoot? Or to plant? Here I am about how often, in no case, for no reason, no way.
    I have a close friend. Military attache of Ukraine in one of the Western European countries. Soviet officer in the past. Nothing outstanding, just dad stayed in Ukraine and got into the stream as they say. He himself is from Stryi. He’s an extremely Russophobic-Western-Bandera lair. He came to Moscow once, while still under Yushchenka, met, hugged. He said frankly that no people of Ukraine wanted to join anywhere and didn’t want to join. shaw west. Strength is war. But economic enslavement, then - yes, Ukraine will not be able to deliver anything. We, they say, are poor, we don’t need much. To each of the rulers to talk about 50 million euros, they will surrender our nenka with giblets, they’ll even ruin them, they will give Crimea to you. And look what’s happening now. And arguing with these proud but poor and decisive representatives of neighboring territories is a waste of time.
  44. mitrich
    mitrich 27 May 2011 17: 19 New
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    VLADIMIR,
    comments from Ukrainian users of the site, their pathological hatred towards us, dull faith in their "Europe" make me agree with you. Personally, I’m not connected with them by family or whatever, so I won’t wipe my tears with a handkerchief. Wow, nevertheless, how the Ukrainians manage to “banish” the whole Pan-Slavic idea and turn people away from them who still had a good relationship with them, I am already surprised.
    PS I'm not a patriot now, I'm now Mitrich (in English). There are enough patriots on the site without me.
    1. Terminator
      Terminator 27 May 2011 18: 57 New
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      Vladimir, mitrich
      Friends to you, I have no hatred and any hostility, this is just a survival game. I made fun of the moment about 50 million euros, then your grandmother will surrender everything faster. Look at what happened in Moscow time in recent weeks, from Merca Shoigu (A014MP97) "they promised to shoot a man’s head", and from Behi min. defense (А604М97) "were punished not by the submissive-substitute traffic accident." Volodenka, do you know what the truth is? For the millions they write from above, they will be such mortals, they will crush the wheels, for a hundred they will suck me away, and for they will stop they will lobby for a law that will allow you to be allowed into the organs. But you certainly didn’t see or hear that. You are against all this, trying to compare the discussion in the state of alcohol poisoning with some kind of scoop. And about enslavement, this is generally a circus; first, provide your soldiers with bayonet-knives with which at least canned food can be opened. It is also very annoying when some individuals try to tell something about natural resources. Friends, you don’t have anything gas, oil, ore, woods belong to a maximum of a hundred people, the hundred that travel with AMR numbers. Yes, yes, comrades are precisely those about whom I wrote ten lines above. And to the end of this post, I want to add -I don’t hate the Khachis, Russians, Jews, Benders. I just hate degenerates who cannot think, and this symptom has no racial or ethnic attributes. Have a nice weekend everyone, with you was Dimulka.
  45. deoman
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    uv Terminator
    Emo, goths, drug addicts? Guy, I'm Moskvich. There is no such thing here, only individual and very rare personalities. Have you watched a video from YouTube?
    No gas, no oil? And where did you see that the gas belonged to everyone? Where did you see this paradise? Is this utopia? Yes, a hundred rules over millions. It always has been, it will be so for many many years to come. And this is not an argument, so EVERYWHERE! Drive to the North Pole and live there freely! Yes, you have some kind of muzzle, for several years I was bullied, and now a new bandit has come :)
    And I forgot how you cried and squealed when you turned off the gas? Or maybe you’ll live like that for 5-10 years? To run out of strategic reserves, your hundred showmen will leave for the hill, and you will gobble up yourself. I do not want it. We are fraternal peoples. But I will not tolerate when my homeland is called a rashka.
    You say no bayonet-knives? There is evidence, there is a living person who was in Iraq and saw with his own eyes when your guys died of thirst and heat, while your generals sold water and ammunition for dollars. Moreover, all the equipment NAKHALYAU, the US Military Forces were written off to you! FOR FREE! You may not believe me, I don't care. I personally saw how the wonderful ARTEK camp collapses.
    Do you speak badly with us? Yes, we have problems, there are many of them and they are still quite large. We will solve them. Are you talking about extinct cities and towns? Well, not far from you, on our border there is the wonderful city of Belgorod.
    I am sad that I have to write all this. After your words, with all your help you want to spit and rub your face, sorry for such rudeness. And to be honest, it's already been a year, I prefer Ukraine, Turkey and Egypt. Although very fond of and respected your resorts. And as correctly noted from above, you eat to work with us, and not vice versa. And for rubles, and not for, by the way, how is your currency called?))
  46. jamert
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    If the Russian "fifth column" will not climb - we will not fall apart.
  47. Banderros
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    The best in the world of air defense - Ukraine.
  48. Danloff
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    What is the difference to you before our affairs, do not put your nose where you do not need! The article is provocative. Indeed, probably many do not even know that the agreement is between Ukraine, the USA and the Russian Federation. Nuclear weapons in return for security guarantees, so the author of the NUP was disgraced.
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      what did you say there?