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Western newspapers write that Russia, which the US and the EU “isolate,” is counting on cooperation with China, which includes not only possible gas supplies, but also a strategic alliance of the two powers, aimed at weakening the US global position. As for the joint statements of Russia and China, they deal with “comprehensive partnership”, “trusting dialogue”, “good-neighborliness” and “friendship”.




On the the site of the President of Russia The Shanghai Joint Statement of the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China on the New Stage of Comprehensive Partnership and Strategic Interaction Relationship of 20 was published in May.

In this document, the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China announced a new phase of "comprehensive partnership and strategic interaction." Russia and China intend to “maintain and deepen the top-level and high-level strategic trusting dialogue, increase the effectiveness of existing and, if necessary, create new mechanisms for bilateral intergovernmental, inter-parliamentary, inter-agency, interregional cooperation, and ensure increasing returns from practical development in all areas humanitarian and social line, to strengthen the close coordination of actions in the foreign policy sphere ”.

One of the stated goals of the two states is to strengthen positions and influence in the international arena "in the interests of becoming a more just and rational world order."

At the same time, the parties “support the central role of the UN in protecting world peace, in promoting universal development and international cooperation, and unanimously believe that strengthening the key role of the UN in international affairs and its Security Council as the body responsible for maintaining international peace and security , corresponds to the common interests of the world community. ”

The Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China intend to speak out “against any attempts and methods of interference in internal affairs, for firm observance of the fundamental provisions of international law enshrined in the UN Charter, unconditional respect for the partner's right to independently choose the path of development, preserve and defend their own culturalhistorical, moral and moral values ​​”.

Among the economic steps, the parties outlined the very measures that are feared in Washington, namely, “close cooperation in the financial sphere”, including “an increase in the volume of direct payments in national currencies”.

The planned increase in bilateral trade (up to 100 billion dollars by 2015 and to 200 billion dollars by 2020) should also excite America.

The parties also agreed to “strengthen the comprehensive Russian-Chinese energy partnership, promote further deepening of comprehensive cooperation in the oil field, the earliest commencement of deliveries of Russian natural gas to China, expansion of cooperation in the coal sector, including through the development of fields in Russia and the development of transport infrastructure, actively to work out projects for the construction of new power generation facilities in Russia to increase electricity exports to China. ”

Beijing and Moscow, as follows from the document, want to "deepen ties in the field of science and technology, primarily through joint promising developments involving an equal financial and scientific and technical contribution, a full innovation cycle, reliable protection of intellectual property rights."

The “Joint Statement” expresses serious concern “in connection with the ongoing domestic political crisis in Ukraine.” Quote:

“Russia and China are calling for the de-escalation of the conflict in this country, for the exercise of restraint, for the search for peaceful, political solutions to the existing problems. The parties call on all regions and socio-political groups of Ukraine to enter into a broad national dialogue, jointly develop a concept for the further constitutional development of the state, providing for full compliance with the universally recognized rights and freedoms of citizens. ”


China and Russia view the G-20 (“G-20”) as the main forum for international economic cooperation. Russia and the PRC intend to "make active efforts to strengthen this association and increase the effectiveness of its activities, consistently implement the decisions of the St. Petersburg Summit."

The parties also believe that "the key task at the present stage is the deployment of multilateral cooperation of the BRICS member states and ensuring their important role in the mechanisms of global economic governance."

Moscow and Beijing agreed that “the planned establishment of the Eurasian Economic Union from 1 in January 2015 will contribute to the strengthening of stability in the region and the further deepening of mutually beneficial bilateral cooperation”.

There is also information about the military exercises of Russia and China, scheduled for 2015 year. Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin decided to organize next year military exercises dedicated to the 70 anniversary of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War.

Director of the World Trade Analysis Center weapons Igor Korotchenko, whose words leads RIA News"He believes that these military exercises are designed to make the United States "play by the rules of the civilized countries of the world."

“Given the current geopolitical situation in the world, Russia and China are becoming strategic partners, and their interaction will affect not only the economic, but also the military sphere. In this regard, conducting joint military exercises is an extremely important factor, which shows our closeness on key military and political problems, ”said Comrade Korotchenko.

According to him, the participation of the People's Republic of China in the exercises shows that Russia and China have common goals, and the two countries from a common standpoint assess a lot of what is happening in the world.

Russian-Chinese military exercises will limit the influence of the United States, Korotchenko noted, and "forcing America to play by the same rules as all other civilized countries in the world." The expert added: "Of course, there is a need to counter the course of the United States, who are unilaterally trying to decide the fate of the world."

What does America think about this?

And she is still silent. And more than that - refuses to talk. Usually the talkative D. Psaki did not comment on either the economic agreements of Moscow and Beijing, or the strategic statements of the two states.

As transmits RIA News", State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki declined to comment on the Russian-Chinese agreement in the economic sphere and the joint exercises of the two countries during a briefing in Washington.

“We think that Russia should seek good relations with all its neighbors,” said Psaki. And she added that she would not make assumptions about joint exercises of the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China.

As for the issue of gas supply to the Middle Kingdom that concerns many analysts, it has not yet been resolved. Meanwhile, gas is the main goal of V. Putin’s trip to China.

The media quoted the presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov as saying that Moscow and Beijing had made "substantial progress" on the issue of exporting gas to China, but had not yet agreed on a price. “Substantial progress has been made, there is still a flaw in price,” - these are Peskov's words.

The estimated gas price for China ranges from 350 to 400 dollars per thousand cubic meters. The fact that she was not agreed upon at the start of negotiations is a bad sign, says Alexey Grivach, deputy head of the Energy Security Fund. “The probability that the contract will not be signed is quite high. The head of Gazprom, Alexey Miller, has been there for two days. And before that, a negotiator from China came to Moscow. These contacts last days go almost around the clock ", - quotes him "BBC".

At the same time, many experts still believe that against the background of strained Russian relations with the United States and Europe, the Kremlin may make concessions on the issue of energy prices. In this case, the contract can be signed today.

It can also be assumed that the parties will come to a gas agreement by the beginning of the economic forum in St. Petersburg.

One thing is clear here. We already wrote that against the background of tensions between Western countries and Russia because of the Ukrainian crisis, China will seek to bargain for itself the maximum discount on gas. And yesterday's deadlock in the negotiations is a manifestation of the most ordinary Chinese intractability in the matter of price.

Apparently, such intractability is intended to facilitate, as stated in the “Joint Statement”, “the earliest possible start of Russian natural gas supplies”. For the price that will suit the Middle Kingdom. And, perhaps, will anger Europe ...

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  1. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 21 May 2014 11: 43
    +19
    Our gas. Who we want at what price we want and supply. The outrage of the Euro ... we do not care.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 21 May 2014 12: 02
      0
      Our gas. Who we want at what price we want and supply.
      The contract on the supply of Russian gas to China during the current visit to the country of Russian President Vladimir Putin will not be signed, the newspaper The Financial Times reports citing representatives of PetroChina.
      "We will not sign. At the moment, the price of imported gas and the price of gas on the domestic market are opposite. We are already losing money on gas imports and we cannot lose even more," the press secretary of the company, Mao Zefeng, told the publication.
      During negotiations with Xi Jinping, Putin proposed to nullify the mineral extraction tax (MET) for the fields from which gas will be supplied to China, while the Chinese side announced its readiness to abolish import duties on gas supplied from Russia.
      Read more: http://top.rbc.ru/economics/21/05/2014/925165.shtml
      1. Ross
        Ross 21 May 2014 12: 51
        +12
        China has long and consistently pursued a policy of containment against Russia, refusing to implement any joint projects that can significantly accelerate the growth of the Russian economy.

        Despite the consent of the Russian leadership to make almost any concessions, including an unprecedented proposal for a tax-free gas supply to China, China has not agreed to implement joint gas projects, some of which have been around for decades, during the meeting between Putin and Jianping while ordering a tanker (methane) fleet for deliveries to China of much more expensive LNG from Australia and Africa.

        Another indicative fact of the unfriendliness of China’s economic policy towards the Russian Federation is the almost complete cessation of the transit of Chinese goods through Russia to Europe.

        These are our allies ...
        1. Marine One
          Marine One 21 May 2014 13: 06
          +9
          Quote: Ross
          These are our allies ...


          I still can’t understand with what hangover the domestic patriots came up with modern China as an ally? Compare at least the volumes and structure of trade turnover between China - Russia and China - EU / USA.
          1. Alekseev
            Alekseev 21 May 2014 20: 14
            +4
            Quote: Marine One
            I still can’t understand with what hangover the domestic patriots came up with modern China as an ally?
            You hurried it up! yes
            No one (except for the absolutely unreasonable "vyunosh") thought to enroll China as an allies.
            Allies, as you know, in general, only two ... wink
            But the interests of China and Russia to contain the ambitions of the American hegemon coincide.
            The desire to develop their economic potential also coincides.
            Without certain frictions - everyone wants to buy cheaper, sell more expensive, you can’t do it. But so everywhere ...
            The presence of friendly China, even if not at all a military ally, makes it impossible for the US-inspired attempts by the West to organize an economic blockade, which, in this situation, will be more expensive.
            And this is the main point.
          2. Lyuba1965_01
            Lyuba1965_01 21 May 2014 22: 15
            +5
            Russia has no allies. It is on its own. "Friendly relations" between countries is a conditional and temporary concept, until the first intersection of their interests at one point.
        2. Eugeniy_369k
          Eugeniy_369k 21 May 2014 13: 47
          +2
          Quote: Ross
          These are our allies ...

          Today already one article was
          To the East? To the East… The author Skomorokhov Roman (Banshee)

          Previously, when the friendship of the USSR and China began in 1946, China was a "little brother." Now at least a full ally. Language does not turn to be a partner. Well, since Russian and Chinese are again brothers forever - so be it.

          Good "brother" ....
          Not from the realization of this Vladimirovich is not so cheerful?
          1. Cherdak
            Cherdak 21 May 2014 14: 41
            +11
            Quote: Eugeniy_369k
            Not from the realization of this Vladimirovich is not so cheerful?

            Gazprom and the Chinese CNPC in Shanghai signed a contract for the supply of Russian gas to China via the eastern route. The cost of a 30-year contract for the supply of Russian gas to China is $ 400 billion.

            Drew the Darkest to the whole of Geyropa, coupled with Yukosia winked
            1. Marine One
              Marine One 21 May 2014 14: 44
              +1
              Quote: Cherdak
              Drew the Darkest to the whole of Geyropa, coupled with Yukosia

              Explain clearly, and what exactly is the "snatch"?
            2. Eugeniy_369k
              Eugeniy_369k 21 May 2014 15: 30
              +1
              Quote: Cherdak
              Drew the Darkest to the whole of Geyropa, coupled with Yukosia

              But about the price is silent
              GAZPROM HEAD ALEXEY MILLER NAME THE COMMERCIAL SECRET GAS PRICE FOR CHINA

              And there are a number of questions. No one will show you the additional terms of the contract, but maybe there will be a transfer of some technology, the same su35 and much more, for example, that the costs of constructing a gas pipeline will be subtracted from the total amount (we do not have our money to build it)
              I think prematurely throwing such slogans.
              1. Lyuba1965_01
                Lyuba1965_01 21 May 2014 22: 18
                +2
                The price can be calculated without a calculator. The amount of the contract, the volume of supply and the duration of the contract are known. So Miller did not say anything, saying all this. On average, the price is about 35-370.
            3. VAF
              VAF 21 May 2014 15: 37
              -10%
              Quote: Cherdak
              Drew the Darkest to the whole of Geyropa, coupled with Yukosia


              Now put a pencil in your hands and count ... according to Pupkin's arithmetic, how much it will be in .. "grams" wassat (in the sense in denyushki) and "how many gas cubes"
              What do we have in the end ????
              So who snatched whom ... maybe the Darkest one all the same, but most likely you and me. as far as I am aware of "gas .. national treasure" crying
              1. Cherdak
                Cherdak 21 May 2014 16: 22
                +10
                Quote: vaf
                Pupkin's arithmetic

                Sergey,
                to begin with, have at least elementary respect for the President of your country. It only shows your flaw.
                All European and American "experts" asserted that China would "push" Russia by $ 250-300 and refuse to finance the construction of the century.
                Take a look at the cheerful morning selection on the topic "the contract has not been signed" and what they will start to write, starting today ...
                And about the price - I'm afraid many will have a curious surprise - it is expected that it will gradually switch to a dual-currency basis. Wait, see winked
                1. VAF
                  VAF 21 May 2014 17: 17
                  -5
                  Quote: Cherdak
                  Sergey,
                  to begin with, have at least elementary respect for the President of your country. It only shows your flaw.


                  Is this your quote or .... I didn’t understand something belay quote: "Uryl the Darkest ..."
                  And by the way, I had in mind the term Darkest completely different aspect, but what did you think? lol On our Dear PRESIDENT so belay yes how could you .. well, etc. wassat (I'm talking about your elementary and inferiority ...) wassat
                  You would be more careful in expressions ... otherwise ... you will always be sitting in a puddle ... wassat
                  Somewhere like that .. "blurt out a broomstick." and you will have such a .. "they will bring out the goose" that you will have to lol
                  solely as advice ... "watch the bazaar"! hi

                  Quote: Cherdak
                  All European and American "experts" asserted that China would "push" Russia by $ 250-300 and refuse to finance the construction of the century.


                  I'm on the drum .. I have my own head on my shoulders. Once again I say .. a pencil in hand and forward .. (for reference, Pupkin's Arithmetic is 2 + 2.. wassat ).
                  And so I chew, the delivery dates are fixed tightly .. the total price of the contract is tight ... at the initial stage 38 lard cubes. With subsequent increase to 60 or more (60 very soon).
                  Still need to explain or is it already clear?
                  take an interest in why we sell Kilowatts of electricity to the Chinese. and how much .. to our citizens wassat

                  Quote: Cherdak
                  . Wait, see

                  We already have the 92nd gasoline at 31 rubles per liter and prices every day for everything .. rod, and you .....?
                  1. Don
                    Don 21 May 2014 17: 31
                    +4
                    Quote: vaf
                    We already have the 92nd gasoline at 31 rubles per liter and prices every day for everything .. rod, and you .....?

                    laughing do you call expensive gasoline?
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 21 May 2014 17: 47
                      +1
                      Quote: Don
                      this you call expensive gasoline


                      At my expense (in a "circle") somewhere around 25 liters per hundred miles ... for me it is already .. a little expensive .... however.
                      The city is definitely cheaper by 2 times by taxi wink
                      1. Andrey Gladkikh
                        Andrey Gladkikh 21 May 2014 22: 56
                        +5
                        It is somehow surprising to hear a "complaint" that 31 rubles per liter is too expensive, from a person who is able to buy and maintain a car that "eats" 25 liters per hundred.
                      2. VAF
                        VAF 22 May 2014 14: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey Gladkikh
                        It's kind of surprising to hear a "complaint"


                        Firstly, it’s so ... modestly 25. and if you drive in a normal and comfortable way, then all 30 goes.
                        Secondly, where did you see the "complaint"? .. An elementary statement of the fact ... when the tank of gasoline "runs out" in 3 days (and the tank is 160 liters, including the emergency and non-generated remainder of course) by arithmetic calculations. All according to the same .. "Pupkin's arithmetic" can deduce the average price of fuel costs.
                        Thirdly. the main thing is not the condition that allows you to buy it, but the opportunity to earn ... to buy what you want wink (and it is to earn, not .. "master" wassat )
                        Best regards hi
                    2. Don
                      Don 22 May 2014 10: 47
                      +1
                      Quote: vaf
                      At my expense (in a "circle") somewhere around 25 liters per hundred miles ... for me it is already .. a little expensive .... however.
                      The city is definitely cheaper by 2 times by taxi

                      Well, I have less consumption and I’m not refueling 92, but in our country the 92nd costs almost 15 UAH. it is almost 45 rubles. Moreover, because I do not know in what area you live, you have different prices in different areas in the Russian Federation.
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                3. Cherdak
                  Cherdak 21 May 2014 20: 38
                  +2
                  Quote: vaf
                  We already have the 92nd gasoline at 31 rubles per liter and prices every day for everything .. rod, and you .....?

                  And we have 67 scars and do not creak crying
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 21 May 2014 20: 43
                    0
                    Quote: Cherdak
                    And we have 67 scars and do not creak


                    And what are you .. oil and gas began to produce? wink
                    And what salaries do you have ... is it interesting to know? lol
                    1. Cherdak
                      Cherdak 21 May 2014 20: 48
                      +2
                      Quote: vaf
                      And what salaries do you have ... is it interesting to know?

                      What we earn, all of ours hi Although taxes could be reduced to reasonable limits.
                      Russian oil, like gas.
                    2. VAF
                      VAF 21 May 2014 20: 54
                      +4
                      Quote: Cherdak
                      Russian oil, like gas.


                      So this is understandable ... but here we have .. "GAZPROM is which." National heritage "is constantly in the leading positions in the world and in sales and .... well, you know, that we ourselves extract and process ourselves. eventually wassat
                      No need to tell how much fuel costs in oil-producing countries ???? wink
                      And what are the preferences .. "People" ????
                      Visit Dubai .. useful for "spreading" horizons ... and in fact the same ... oil is produced wink
                    3. Apollo
                      Apollo 21 May 2014 20: 57
                      0
                      Quote: vaf
                      So this is understandable .. and here we have .. "GAZPROM is which."

                      We have the same mess, Sergey hi
                    4. Cherdak
                      Cherdak 21 May 2014 21: 56
                      0
                      The cost of gasoline in Europe 2014
                      http://tripsmile.ru/ru/price/8-stoimost-benzina-v-evrope
                  2. Don
                    Don 22 May 2014 10: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Cherdak
                    Although taxes could be reduced to reasonable limits.

                    I always want taxes to be reduced, but you have a 14% income tax in the Russian Federation and almost 20% in Ukraine.
              2. Cherdak
                Cherdak 21 May 2014 21: 58
                0
                Sorry, at the old rate took. Bursting with recourse

                Country Currency AI-95 AI-98 Diesel
                Finland rubles 76.47 79.04 71.01
          2. Cherdak
            Cherdak 21 May 2014 18: 37
            +1
            Here is a Polish example of yesterday's gloating:

            Gazprom did not receive the expected gas export contract that had been negotiated for so long.

            The signing of the contract would serve as evidence that Russia continues to advance, and can, as Polish diplomats sometimes say with admiration for Russian colleagues, play several pianos at the same time: in this case, balance the cooling of the West with new initiatives in the east.

            Read more: http://inosmi.ru/russia/20140521/220480140.html#ixzz32MRLZ7pQ
          3. _my opinion
            _my opinion 21 May 2014 18: 42
            +2
            Contract signed и China failed "bend" Russia:
            "Gas price for China exceeds $ 350 for 1 thousand cubic meters

            The price of Russian gas for China within the framework of the contract signed today between Gazprom and CNPC exceeds $ 350 per 1 cubic meters, RIA Novosti reports citing a source familiar with the terms of the contract.

            21 May 2014, 16: 45

            Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/32933#ixzz32MRszsj5 "
          4. Cherdak
            Cherdak 22 May 2014 10: 30
            +2
            Quote: Cherdak
            Check out this morning peppy selection on "contract not signed"


            I advise you to see the gloating of Ukrainian friends:

            Damn it, again I’ve ruined everything!
            http://krom1.livejournal.com/877.html
        3. fzr1000
          fzr1000 21 May 2014 16: 24
          +4
          Few introductory, can not count. One thing is clear that if the price was used high, then they boasted, but it is unlikely that they will sell at a loss.
          Earlier today, Gazprom and the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) signed a contract to supply gas to China. The term of the agreement is designed for 30 years, the price of the contract is $ 400 billion. Based on the total amount of the contract ($ 400 billion over 30 years), if the annual deliveries amount to 38 billion cubic meters. m, the price of the Chinese contract is about $ 350 per 1 cubic meters. m, the analyst of VTB Capital Ekaterina Rodina calculated.

          1. Viacheslav
            Viacheslav 21 May 2014 16: 47
            -32%
            Putin, like a naughty puppy with a tight tail, goes to China to beg for mercy from a powerful owner.
            A zombie TV will tryndet a week about the next landmark victories of the leader and the azure prospects of the domestic economy, which showed a huge fig to the West.
            It’s just the time X comes, and fraternal China will squeeze the whole East from us
            across the Urals, defending the multimillion-dollar Chinese-speaking
            population population.
            1. Cherdak
              Cherdak 21 May 2014 17: 02
              +13
              Quote: Viacheslav
              Putin, like a naughty puppy with a tight tail, goes to China to beg for mercy from a powerful owner.


              A strange tirade from a chela who has "two degrees in one of the best universities in Moscow, a high GPA and a good job." Very much like trolling a repetitive year
              1. ussr1960
                ussr1960 21 May 2014 17: 36
                +10
                The presence of a diploma of higher education has never been a confirmation of the education of its owner.
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          3. Cherdak
            Cherdak 21 May 2014 16: 52
            0
            Quote: fzr1000
            Few introductory, can't count

            And you just do not have to become like the victims of the exam and divide the soft into the long.

            "Miller previously reported that Gazprom is organizing gas supplies, which could begin in 2018, in the amount of 38 billion cubic meters per year, with a possible increase to 60 billion."

            From liberals such liberals, the roof demolishes polymers.

            This is a framework contract and the amount indicated in it is a conditional guideline, nothing more.
            1. VAF
              VAF 21 May 2014 18: 03
              +4
              Quote: Cherdak
              From liberals such liberals, the roof demolishes polymers.


              Well, of course ... from the "puddle ... it's bad to get out."

              Quote: Cherdak
              This is a framework contract and the amount indicated in it is a conditional guideline, nothing more.


              Only the AGREEMENT can be the framework, and the CONTRACT .. there is a CONTRACT !!!
              1. Cherdak
                Cherdak 21 May 2014 18: 58
                +3
                1. Framework agreement - contract*, in which some part of the terms of supply is determined, the principles of cooperation are established, but certain essential conditions (specific volumes of purchases, prices, terms, etc.) may not be determined.

                2. The base price under the contract between Gazprom and CNPC for the supply of Russian gas to China is presumably in the range of 380-390 dollars per 1 cubic meters. ITAR-TASS was informed about this by the deputy head of the National Energy Security Fund / FNEB / Alexey Grivach.

                As the expert explained, when assessing the base price of the contract, he proceeded from the supply volumes of 1,025-1,04 trillion cubic meters over 30 years. At the same time, he added that he took into account that Gazprom will reach the shelf of deliveries of 38 billion cubic meters per year in 5 years from the moment of the start of supplies.

                As previously reported, the gas price formula for China takes into account the adjustment for a basket of Japanese petroleum products / JCC index, Japanese Crude Cocktail /.

                http://www.ng.ru/news/467083.html

                --------------------
                The agreement is a Russian word. It denotes a condition, agreement, mutual obligation between two or more parties, which may be agreed orally or concluded in writing.

                The word “contract” comes from Latin “contractus” and is translated as “deal”. They designate only a written contract that the parties conclude, clearly describing mutual obligations.
              2. Cherdak
                Cherdak 21 May 2014 19: 16
                +2
                Quote: vaf
                Only the AGREEMENT can be the framework, and the CONTRACT .. there is a CONTRACT !!!


                So will it be more correct?

                An intergovernmental agreement to secure the contract signed on Wednesday by Russia's Gazprom and China's CNPC could be concluded by the end of the year, Gazprom head Alexei Miller told reporters.
                "We will have a detailed intergovernmental agreement signed, and we must sign it by the end of the year," Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak added in turn.
                Gazprom and CNPC earlier on Wednesday signed a long-term contract providing for the supply of Russian gas to China over 30 years in the amount of 38 billion cubic meters annually, for a total of $ 400 billion.
                RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/economy/20140521/1008716669.html#ixzz32Mb1dLvQ

                One essence - a framework contract, which will be provided with a state guarantee. Specific events and prices will be added to it by supplements or applications as agreed upon.
          4. coolboy
            coolboy 21 May 2014 20: 11
            +1
            this is if 38 mldr, judging by the description there and 60 mldr can be delivered, then the price will be $ 200. So there are doubts that China will buy more than Europe,
            because it has its own gas and production is growing + Turkmen say buys. so where does this price come from? strange however
        4. Don
          Don 21 May 2014 17: 15
          +1
          Quote: vaf
          And now in the hands of a pencil and count ... by arithmetic

          I get, if rounded down, $ 13 billion a year. At the current net profit of Gazprom $ 19 billion. In my opinion a very profitable contract.
          1. VAF
            VAF 21 May 2014 17: 43
            -3
            Quote: Don
            I get, if rounded down, $ 13 billion a year.


            That's right .. for the first year 13 lard and 3 in the period +! drinks
            Now we divide the lards of greenery into the lards of gas cubes and we obtain wink ... correctly 350 Baku per ton of cubes.
            As I wrote earlier, the volumes will increase (now I looked .. 60 lards by 2020.)
            Hope not hard to split NEW Volumes gas supplies to OLD (fixed by contract) prices for gas wassat
            What do we get? wink That's it ... recourse request
            Only + in this "story" what will be built for a Chinese loan (but we do not know the interest rate on this loan bully ), but it is still very profitable. all risks are insured (except for the loss of interest on the loan) in the event of a "jumping off" of the customer-buyer wink
            1. Don
              Don 22 May 2014 11: 01
              0
              Quote: vaf
              As I wrote earlier, the volumes will increase (now I looked .. 60 lards by 2020.)

              That's right, but volumes will increase, but the essence does not change. If the main consumers of gas in the EU, Germany, France and Italy, will not increase volumes, then the surplus will have to be put somewhere.
              Quote: vaf
              The only + in this "story" is that they will build for a Chinese loan (but we do not know the interest rate on this loan

              I do not know the percentage, I think that no more than 7% per annum. But in general, I did not hear about the loan, I read that the Russian Federation and China will jointly build and invest in equal shares.
          2. coolboy
            coolboy 21 May 2014 20: 40
            +3
            do not confuse profit and revenue, if you take away expenses, then from 13 billion at best several billion will remain
            1. Don
              Don 22 May 2014 11: 05
              0
              Quote: coolboy
              do not confuse profit and revenue, if you take away expenses, then from 13 billion at best several billion will remain

              And I don’t confuse the net income and income. Only with this 13 billion income, direct and indirect taxes, where will they go? Right RF. And what to do with net profit is decided by the shareholders. And who is the main shareholder? That's right, RF.
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        5. Don
          Don 21 May 2014 17: 15
          +1
          Quote: vaf
          And now in the hands of a pencil and count ... by arithmetic

          I get, if rounded down, $ 13 billion a year. At the current net profit of Gazprom $ 19 billion. In my opinion a very profitable contract.
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 21 May 2014 14: 58
      +8
      Friendship is friendship and tobaccos apart. China understands that it can bargain for itself and takes advantage. He is our ally not because of a friend, but because it is profitable with us. But China also has a lot of pain points, and even if we give in now, the GDP will also remember this. Now we are negotiating with Qatar and Iran, and if we agree on common positions in the gas market, then together we can already twist our hands ourselves to our customers. In the domestic market this is called cartel conspiracy and is condemned, but in the external it is simply an element of politics.
    3. radar1967
      radar1967 22 May 2014 03: 26
      0
      He hung the oars-head, it doesn’t matter. It is important that Russia received another instrument of international politics, allowing it to play on the economic contradictions of the East and West. Russia did not become an object, but a subject of international energy. COMPETITION APPEARS!
      Another question: can our politicians play adult games or not. If not, then sooner or later, LEARNING EVERYTHING IS EQUAL TO COME. Let them learn.
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  3. gfnhbjnrf
    gfnhbjnrf 21 May 2014 15: 00
    +2
    Everything is clear about the Chinese long ago. These are still those bugs!
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 21 May 2014 13: 03
    +13
    Yes wait you, RBC and FT horn liberoids.
  • avt
    avt 21 May 2014 13: 49
    +9
    Quote: Serg 122
    The contract on the supply of Russian gas to China during the current visit to the country of Russian President Vladimir Putin will not be signed, the newspaper The Financial Times reports citing representatives of PetroChina.
    "We will not sign. At the moment, the price of imported gas and the price of gas on the domestic market are opposite. We are already losing money on gas imports and we cannot lose even more," the press secretary of the company, Mao Zefeng, told the publication.

    But they signed it, 24 have just been informed by news. The truth is not disclosed the price of the issue, so this is a very specific political treaty. Well, GDP justified the trip, from a political point of view, firmly clicked on the nose of the Europeans.
    Quote: Ross
    These are our allies ...

    what And we have China, now the army or navy, or maybe both? I somehow do not know any other allies in Russia. request
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 21 May 2014 14: 09
      +3
      Just passed. did not sign and will not sign this year for sure. Amazingly after 10 minutes already signed up. Das ist fiction!
  • smart75
    smart75 21 May 2014 14: 42
    +15
    Contract signed. Dedicated to all crawlers.

    Gazprom and CNPC signed a contract for gas supplies to China. The agreement is valid for 30 years.

    The contract price will be 400 billion dollars, quotes Gazprom chairman Alexei Miller ITAR-TASS. Based on the total contract amount (400 billion dollars for 30 years), if the annual deliveries amount to 38 billion cubic meters. m, it turns out the price of the Chinese contract is about 350 dollars for 1 thousand cubic meters. m

    Read in full: http://top.rbc.ru/economics/21/05/2014/925229.shtml#xtor=AL-[internal_traffic.BIZ--
    [rbc.ru] - [main_body] - [main_item] - [lead]
    1. atalef
      atalef 21 May 2014 14: 55
      -4
      Quote: smart75
      Based on the total amount of the contract ($ 400 billion over 30 years), if the annual supply is 38 billion cubic meters. m, it turns out the price of the Chinese contract is about $ 350 per 1 thousand cubic meters. m

      This is about the check, checkmate (previous article) and arm twisting
      Gazprom expected to receive $ 400 per 1 cubic meters as a base price for China. The Chinese side would like 350-360 dollars

      China still unscrewed them in full. Below 350 bucks, gas turns into just not profitable for sale. That is, everything is on the brink. Of course there are pluses - the development of the region (at least not at a loss), infrastructure - but you just don’t have to count on income, and in the event of a dollar fall - everything turns into a specific zilch (note the price in bucks, not in rubles)
      The price of gas is specifically lower than the European one and fixed for 30 years.
      China once again proved to be the strongest negotiator and the proverb hurry up slowly - this is their credo.
      They chose the most beautiful moment.
      They beautifully supported the issue on the Crimea, gave Europe and the States the opportunity to impose sanctions, waited for the problem situation of Russia (both with money and with future deliveries), and as a result, having weaned (how they know how to do it 0 received the desired 350 bucks - instead of 380-400.
      Well gentlemen, no one will take you better than a friend like - not even spending money on petroleum jelly, but for that with a smile.
      1. Don
        Don 21 May 2014 17: 29
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        China still unscrewed them in full. Below 350 bucks, gas turns into simply unprofitable

        I don’t know where you read about $ 350 is not profitable, I read that below $ 300.
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 May 2014 17: 59
          -5
          Quote: Don
          I don’t know where you read about $ 350 is not profitable, I read that below $ 300.

          Namesake .. read my comment above, where I "revealed" my vision of this .. "Panama" with gas lol
          Do you speak below 300? wink
          okay ... we continue "Pupkin's arithmetic" - and assume that in the period up to 2015 we believe that we will continue to supply 38 lard cubes each (although you yourself understand that it is impossible once ... and in 2020 60 at once. .. naturally there will be an increase in supply volumes).
          Well ... taking into account the delivered from 15 to 20 years, there will be 25.a money 335 lard (prices and terms are strictly stipulated by the contract) .. again simple ARITHMETIC "procedures" and as a result we get ... with the supply of 60 lard gas price .... 223 Baku cubes apiece wassat
          If we supply even more (whose China is interested), there is a simple progression.
          well, as of now .. about .... profitability crying
          1. Cherdak
            Cherdak 21 May 2014 20: 04
            +5
            gas price .... 223 Baku apiece cubes

            Sergey,

            Enough for you to engage in this nonsense and strain your brains too much. This is not your calling ...


            Quote: A
            The base price under the contract between Gazprom and CNPC for the supply of Russian gas to China is presumably in the range of USD 380-390 per 1 cubic meters. ITAR-TASS was informed about this by the deputy head of the National Energy Security Fund / FNEB / Alexey Grivach.

            As the expert explained, when assessing the base price of the contract, he proceeded from the supply volumes of 1,025-1,04 trillion cubic meters over 30 years. At the same time, he added that he took into account that Gazprom will reach the shelf of deliveries of 38 billion cubic meters per year in 5 years from the moment of the start of supplies.

            As previously reported, the gas price formula for China takes into account the adjustment for a basket of Japanese petroleum products / JCC index, Japanese Crude Cocktail /.
            1. VAF
              VAF 21 May 2014 20: 25
              -1
              Quote: Cherdak
              Enough for you to engage in this nonsense and strain your brains too much. This is not your calling ..


              What .. it's hard to be a "leavened patriot" wassat it’s not on the platform of the bucket and it’s not riding on people’s ears. which shakes everything .... it’s a damn economy and MATH. and tsifirki .. they are EXACT !!!

              Bazavoy price .. presumably ... is it really all Dumb ???? (according to M. Zadornov).
              There is no such thing as a base price .. there is a Base Rate from which all price parameters are calculated !!!
              Presumably ... I can’t laugh. These figures probably signed a contract from 2009 on deliveries and transit. That now they can not get out of the hole into which they drove themselves with their own goods ... this must be managed ...
              Having your own goods and having problems with some kind of "th" transit wassat
              So after a while I will definitely ask a question. but what about the next increase in gas prices for the "people" ????
              What will you come up with again ???
              1. Cherdak
                Cherdak 21 May 2014 20: 35
                +1
                Quote: vaf
                What .. it's hard to be a "leavened patriot"

                Eh, Sergunchik, do you be sad?
                All polymers have been around for a long time ...
                Or didn’t they give you again?
                Or did you enter ... a ram?


                tongue
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 21 May 2014 20: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Cherdak
                  Eh ....... Do you be sad?
                  All polymers have been around for a long time ...

                  You are probably just starting in this field,
                2. VAF
                  VAF 21 May 2014 20: 49
                  -4
                  Quote: Cherdak
                  Eh, Sergunchik, do you be sad?
                  All polymers have been around for a long time ...
                  Or didn’t they give you again?
                  Or did you enter ... a ram?


                  I understand that there are no arguments. Well, there can be no a priori, but .. articles with "excerpts" - .. "everything is fine, beautiful marquise ..." have already ended? laughing
                  1. Cherdak
                    Cherdak 21 May 2014 22: 07
                    0
                    Strange you frame, Serezhenka Vafeev

                    You all laid out, but you all butts pulls.
                    Well, you do not love Russia, and God is your judge.
                    She will survive without your opinion.

                    And what arguments do you crave?
                    A copy of the contract or a "hard" price in 2018? So it's naive.
                  2. Cherdak
                    Cherdak 21 May 2014 22: 43
                    +2
                    Maybe at least it will cheer you up?


        2. coolboy
          coolboy 21 May 2014 20: 17
          0
          there is still such a point that due to problems and sanctions, Europe will look for other options with gas, it turns out that losing a client is expensive and bought a lot in hundreds of billion cubic meters, for a client that buys at $ 200-350 only 38-60 billion cubic meters - conclusion disappointing
          1. VAF
            VAF 21 May 2014 20: 32
            -1
            Quote: coolboy
            there is still such a moment


            +! But .. "leavened patriots" .. this cannot be explained; they have a "justification" for everything, both for the snow in winter and for children .. in the summer wassat
          2. svd-xnumx
            svd-xnumx 21 May 2014 20: 59
            +3
            and where will Europe find a new supplier of cheap gas? it is doubtful that gas from tankers will be cheaper from mattress mats.
        3. atalef
          atalef 21 May 2014 20: 34
          -1
          Quote: vaf
          If we supply even more (whose China is interested), there is a simple progression.
          well, as of now .. about .... profitability

          Hey . Sergei
          According to Gazprom's forecasts, LNG prices in Asia will drop approximately to the level of European long-term contracts, adds Mikhail Korchemkin, director of East European Gas Analysis: Gazprom can sell gas for $ 350 at zero rates of customs duties and mineral extraction tax. There is no need to expect profits from gas exports to China. "According to the expert, in the first years supplies will be unprofitable, and only as the pipeline is filled up there is a chance of reaching a minimum profit, nevertheless," reaching the European level of profitability is absolutely excluded.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 22 May 2014 08: 43
            +3
            Oh, read the opinions of other experts

            According to Bank of America Merrill Lynch estimates, it could be $ 380-400. "At this price, the net NPV is $ 3,2 billion (excluding benefits that can be provided) for the entire term of the contract," analysts from the investment company Karen wrote. Kostanyan and Anton Fedotov.

            This is Russia's first major deal since the imposition of Western sanctions against Moscow. "The political requests of the parties are so great that they outweigh the concerns about the price. This is a political action of both parties," USA Today quotes an expert on international relations at the People's University of China Shi Yinhong.

            "Putin will return to Moscow with concrete evidence of progress in fulfilling his pledge to strengthen Russia's relationship with emerging Asian markets," writes The Wall Street Journal. In a situation where Europe and the United States are "holding back the development of relations," business is expanding cooperation with Eastern partners, which will occupy the niches of "our reserved Western partners," a source close to the government explained to RBC.

            "Europe can no longer threaten Russia with gas sanctions. There are no sellers who can replace Russia. Norway has no spare capacity, Algeria's export opportunities are limited, Qatar is getting a good premium for supplies to Asia. As for American LNG, it will be in the next 2 years. 4 years will not reach Europe ", - said RBC Ulsen. The European Commission, RBC declined to comment on the Russian-Chinese agreement.

            We must not forget that the deal opens the door for Russia to the huge Asian market. This is a situation where both Russia and China win, Chatham House economist Ken Wu Paik told RBC: "Russia made a small compromise, but a large new market will pay off all the concessions." In his opinion, if someday it will be possible to agree on a project to build another gas pipe laid under the cloth - through Altai to Western China, it will be "a nightmare for Europe and a dream for Russia."

        4. Sling
          Sling 21 May 2014 20: 35
          +6
          Of course, I bow to you vaf for your profession, but be so kind as to call your president at least without distortion, otherwise I also read the feeling that there is no censor. Yours faithfully
          1. VAF
            VAF 21 May 2014 20: 40
            -4
            Quote: Sling
            but be so kind as to call your president at least without distortion, otherwise I read the feeling that there is no censor. Yours faithfully


            Dear, you certainly excuse me, but show me the PLACE where I wrote at least something about OUR President, with some mythical distortions ??? belay
            Or are you all school on EH .. finished ???
            Sorry for being rude. But .. got it already soldier
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    3. _my opinion
      _my opinion 21 May 2014 18: 51
      +4
      Quote: atalef

      China still unscrewed them in full. Below 350 bucks, gas turns into
      The price of gas is specifically lower than the European one and fixed for 30 years.

      Your not true- in fact:
      "The gas price formula for China is tied to the price of oil and oil products

      The price formula in the contract signed today by Gazprom and the Chinese CNPC is tied to the market price for oil and petroleum products, said Russian President Vladimir Putin in Shanghai.

      Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/32911#ixzz32MTaUXtr "
      1. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx 21 May 2014 19: 26
        +1
        Quote: _my opinion
        "The gas price formula for China is tied to the price of oil and oil products


        And if oil prices fall?
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 22 May 2014 03: 29
          +1
          And if the meteorite falls?
  • Turkir
    Turkir 21 May 2014 21: 20
    0
    The Financial Times - not allowing to sign a contract? Read completely?
  • xenod55
    xenod55 21 May 2014 12: 04
    +12
    China needs MNOOOOGOOO !!! Russian gas, some (for example, Ukraine and especially showing off Europeans) may simply not be enough. And gas contracts indicate the maximum and minimum volumes of supplies. That will be the minimum.
    1. coolboy
      coolboy 21 May 2014 20: 35
      0
      do not console yourself with illusions, now the problem is to whom to sell, when sanctions are on the horizon, Europe is looking for alternatives to grow. gas, Ukraine will buy less due to stagnation of the economy - so who will suffer the most, because it is tens of billions of dollars!
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 21 May 2014 14: 00
    +5
    The contract price will be $ 400 billion, quoted Gazprom Chairman Alexei Miller ITAR-TASS. Gazprom shares on the Moscow Exchange after signing the contract grew by 2% (as of 13.50). In addition, in addition to the contract, the parties signed a memorandum of understanding in the field of gas supplies along the eastern route. The document was signed by Minister of Energy Alexander Novak and Head of the State Energy Administration of the People's Republic of China, Wu Xinsyun. .
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  • Docklishin
    Docklishin 21 May 2014 14: 20
    +6
    I want to write a little about something else. Of course, it’s good when there are temporary joint interests. And it is always more convenient to defend your opinion together with a strong partner. BUT what x ... There was the Russian Empire, then the USSR, then .... What prevents the revival of what was. There is ALL for this. Common language, mutual respect and understanding of common values. No assimilation is needed. And China .... good of course. But as a tool to achieve our goals. That's just them (goals) as it is not yet clearly emerging. Z.Y. looked around at home - almost everything except Madein's furniture. Although the people even if they stupidly google their brains, they have some ideas (at least for the domestic market). And here we are only GAZ ...
  • strannik595
    strannik595 21 May 2014 14: 37
    +1
    As for the question of gas supplies to the Celestial Empire, which is of concern to many analysts, it has not yet been resolved. Meanwhile, gas is the main purpose of V.V. Putin’s trip to China
    all ......... signed a contract ...... at 4 a.m. Chinese time ..... $ 350 per cubic meter, 400 billion Baku for 30 years .... good what will the army contain and pay pensions
    Gazprom shares reacted with a leap up to reports of the signing of a contract for the supply of Russian gas to China, according to data from the Moscow Exchange.
    By 13.37 Moscow time, securities of the holding went up by 0,9%, while in relation to the levels before the news, growth was 2,4%.
    RIA News
    .... Miller blooms like a may rose:
    "This is the largest contract for Gazprom. There is no such contract with any company," he stressed.
  • nycsson
    nycsson 21 May 2014 22: 15
    +1
    Quote: Riperbahn
    Our gas. Who we want at what price we want and supply. The outrage of the Euro ... we do not care.

    Just watched the news on the first. In general, the situation is this: Russia has signed a contract for the supply of gas to China. For its transportation, it will be necessary to build a gas pipeline, well, invest 55 billion dollars from our side and 22 billion dollars from China in this construction. Deliveries will begin in about 6 years. 6 years !!! wassat In the light of developing events - it is an eternity! wassat And all this against the background of the World Cup 18 on football and some other super expensive sporting events! Sanctions of the West and the possible rejection of our gas in Europe! In short, in my opinion - this is the last nail in the coffin of our economy! wassat
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 22 May 2014 04: 01
      +2
      Here are you strange people, all-enforcers. What, GDP was supposed to bring you a contract for the supply to China of the volume of gas that we supply to Europe at prices 2 times higher and from tomorrow? But what about the fact that we do not have the same volume of gas to supply it to Europe and China at the same time? What about the penalties that will have to be paid upon termination of contracts with Europe for deliveries to China? And with the fact that we do not have the capacity for delivery?
      Is he a magician to you, or what? Or keep the Chinese for fools? We got used, damn it, for the 90s to throw "business partners" to the right and to the left, here is an honest contract and it seems like "twisting hands".
      The contract is signed for the future. Which suggests that the partnership between the Russian Federation and China will be long-term. What does China invest in creating infrastructure and net investment and loans. Those. it will be very, very difficult for China to break the contract. After all, the invested money will burn. Those. For 30 years, China has been tied to Russia as financially as possible. We have a way of influencing them. There is also an agreement under which China can take away from us those volumes of gas that will be freed up when we break with Europe. Those. we have a trump card in negotiations with the Europeans. Thanks to which he will be able to unscrew the handles of the same Merkel. Either you throw your overseas owner, or we begin to build a second pipe in China, and you suck on amers gas. The volumes of which, by the way, also do not exist yet. And for their receipt, the Americans will squeeze out money from the same Europe, and not like we from China, on credit cards and partial investments, but in full and with a rate of return. Therefore, the Europeans will have to decide now, either after 4-5 years they buy gas from us, or from Amers and urgently need to find somewhere a couple of dozen lard for the development of shale oil production in the USA and the construction of LNG terminals at home and at the Amers. At the same time, they ALREADY invested in the creation of the North and South flows (like us, of course) and financial bigwigs will tear these grandmothers from Merkel from the throat together with the throat. And from here comes the foreign policy conjuncture.
      Now for the price. After all, it is clearly said that the price is tied to a gas basket. Yes, for sure, also to the currency basket. Because such a long-term contract cannot depend on fluctuations in commodity prices and the value of currencies. What if tomorrow world gas prices fall to 200 bakares? Well, China pay 350? This is not Ukraine, there people know how to count and are going to be in power not for a day or two. So the floating price is beneficial to both parties. Why do we need a base cost of 400 billion? In order to determine the amount of investment in the project. And to calculate how much they are profitable and how much they will pay off.
      In total, what do we have with a goose, okromyu cracklings? GDP has fulfilled its task of securing a long-term alliance with China. A union based on economic interests, and what else can be between two capitalist countries?
  • Cormorants
    Cormorants 21 May 2014 11: 44
    +11
    That's right, together we will destroy the American unipolar world.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 21 May 2014 12: 55
      +27
      That's right, together we will destroy the American unipolar world.
      That's right!
      1. ioann1
        ioann1 21 May 2014 22: 33
        0
        For the first time I see such a photo, very vital and extremely relevant!
  • gandalf
    gandalf 21 May 2014 11: 45
    +22
    The first part of Obama's nightmare ...
    The second part is Putin in Germany ...
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 21 May 2014 11: 49
      +6
      Yes, let them continue to impose sanctions on themselves
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  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 21 May 2014 11: 47
    +4
    A very important meeting for the whole world, it’s good that the presidents spoke of supporting non-interference in the affairs of other countries and peoples, this is for many in the world a signal about choosing an honest path for Russia and China
  • saruman
    saruman 21 May 2014 11: 47
    +7
    An article in the style of blah blah blah. No breakthrough happened, gas contract not signed! The Chinese will continue to twist our hands. What kind of equal cooperation is there.
    1. IOwTZ
      IOwTZ 21 May 2014 12: 36
      +11
      Quote: saruman
      An article in the style of blah blah blah. No breakthrough happened, gas contract not signed! The Chinese will continue to twist our hands. What kind of equal cooperation is there.


      The visit is not over yet. Wait and see.
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 21 May 2014 13: 00
        +4
        The visit is not over yet. Wait and see.
        49 signed contracts are not enough? And there will be a decision on gas - sooner or later
        1. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx 21 May 2014 13: 14
          +9
          Quote: Serg 122
          49 signed contracts are not enough? And there will be a decision on gas - sooner or later


          It is important not only the number of contracts concluded, but also how beneficial they are to Russia. Including the contract (if signed) for gas.
          1. Goodmen
            Goodmen 21 May 2014 16: 06
            +2
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            It is important not only the number of contracts concluded, but also how beneficial they are to Russia. Including the contract (if signed) for gas.


            I support! As if they did not sign "for a heap" of non-profitable or unprofitable ... only for political reasons, to show off in front of the EU and the USA ...
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 21 May 2014 13: 20
      +5
      On oil signed.
      1. Eugeniy_369k
        Eugeniy_369k 21 May 2014 13: 51
        -2
        Well, yes, Rosneft (ie the state) has already signed one, and as a result, it does not receive 2,5 lard in ovsk currency. Http://www.gazeta.ru/column/milov/5115473.shtml
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 21 May 2014 13: 57
          +3
          The newspaper is lying, and even Milov is the author? I would not trust ...
          1. Eugeniy_369k
            Eugeniy_369k 21 May 2014 17: 12
            0
            Quote: fzr1000
            The newspaper is lying, and even Milov is the author? I would not trust ...

            And what is the shopping mall "Russia" to believe that the militant killed in the Caucasus for the one killed in Ukraine by the National Guard issued? Or NTV, which sometimes referred the same man to the "pravosek" as a civilian?
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 21 May 2014 17: 19
              0
              And in the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev - Yatsenyuk. Milov is not an expert, but a failed politician, to say a fool.
              1. Eugeniy_369k
                Eugeniy_369k 22 May 2014 10: 39
                -1
                Quote: fzr1000
                And in the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev - Yatsenyuk.

                And do not dig a nap.
                Quote: fzr1000
                Milov is not an expert, but a failed politician, to say a fool.

                This is a user that is a scribbler from the Military Review website wrote, well, yes, an "expert" on everything))))
                The calculation was made on the basis of the official data of Rosneft, well, after all, does it matter not for people like you?
    3. Arsenal
      Arsenal 21 May 2014 14: 46
      +5
      No breakthrough happened, gas contract not signed

      Russia and China signed a contract for the supply of Russian gas to China via the eastern route. The document was signed by representatives of Gazprom and CNPC in the presence of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping, ITAR-TASS reports. According to Gazprom CEO Alexei Miller, the total cost of the 30-year contract is $ 400 billion. But the price of fuel will not be disclosed, "this is a commercial secret."
      So what has already been signed and this is a fact ...
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 21 May 2014 21: 24
        +1
        Contract signed. And the fifth column can jump and speak blah blah blah.
        And to you, on joys, pluses.
  • Papania
    Papania 21 May 2014 11: 50
    +4
    Do not go too far with the Chinese, they may be worse than Westerners
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 21 May 2014 16: 19
      +1
      The Chinese are easier than the west. You must be able to bargain.
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      2. Lyuba1965_01
        Lyuba1965_01 21 May 2014 22: 29
        +2
        No, it’s much more complicated with the Chinese people. It’s very difficult to understand Chinese politics. They can wait their victims for years. Not surprisingly, they have this expression: before you die, sit on the riverbank and wait for the corpses of your enemies to swim through it. China is cunning and smart. Europe and the States are simpler. They are hypocritical, but predictable. The unpredictable east.
  • jovanni
    jovanni 21 May 2014 11: 51
    +9
    Ehhh ... The Chinese comrade is tricky however ... Mala Mala knows how to trade! But he will buy anyway, not now, then later!
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    2. atalef
      atalef 21 May 2014 12: 23
      +15
      Quote: Jovanni
      Ehhh ... The Chinese comrade is tricky however ... Mala Mala knows how to trade! But he will buy anyway, not now, then later!

      Until he can twist his hands to the very elbows --- the question is whether he will buy it. They negotiated with Venezuela for the same long time (giving loans along the way) and as a result, when it was time to return the loans (and as you know, socialism is friends with everyone except money) As a result, Venezuela now pays debts with oil (at constant prices and China has a share in the production of Venezuelan oil)
      Russia's position in negotiations with China is frankly weak (and China understands this) China has a choice. Turkmen gas - which it already receives 330 bucks, and Russian gas at a price below 350 bucks - is simply becoming unprofitable. Gas is also supplied to China from other places. Qatar is ready to deliver the same even tomorrow.
      Russia, besides China, simply has no consumers in the east (do not forget that only 30 to 50 billion, or maybe all 80, will have to be invested in the construction of infrastructure and gas pipelines)
      China understands this and having alternatives, it will continue to twist the hands of Russia (which without China simply loses its sense in developing these deposits), and taking into account sanctions, etc.- Do not rush to make China friends. China is a friend exclusively to himself, he prefers to see other friends from the back and in a bent position.
      1. Gorinich
        Gorinich 21 May 2014 12: 35
        +10
        I’m wondering why Israel is so hostile to any expansion of China’s interests? Clash of interests or fulfillment of a US order?
        1. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx 21 May 2014 12: 47
          +4
          Quote: Gorinich
          I’m wondering why Israel is so hostile to any expansion of China’s interests? Clash of interests or fulfillment of a US order?


          atalef wrote a reasonable comment, and it doesn’t matter from which country (under whose flag), why immediately hang labels ...
          1. Gorinich
            Gorinich 21 May 2014 13: 35
            +8
            This is not a label, it is a statement of fact. Check out all the comments about China users with the Star of David and make your own opinion ...
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        3. atalef
          atalef 21 May 2014 13: 36
          +4
          Quote: Gorinich
          I’m wondering why Israel is so hostile to any expansion of China’s interests? Clash of interests or fulfillment of a US order?

          What stupidity, we have excellent relations with China, he is our largest trading partner
          In accordance with the program approved at yesterday's meeting of the commission, within five years, Israeli exports to China will be doubled and amount to five billion shekels a year.

          Large-scale Israeli-Chinese business projects in the field of high technology, agriculture, energy, healthcare and many others will receive government recognition, a specialized coordination center and a new economic representation will open in China, the process of providing entry visas for Chinese businessmen, scientists and tourists will be simplified.

          A working group to coordinate economic relations with China was created after Prime Minister Netanyahu’s visit to China in May 2013.

          Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met with Chinese Deputy Prime Minister Liu Yandong at his office in Jerusalem.

          Netanyahu said, "China is Israel's largest trading partner in Asia and will soon be Israel's largest trading partner. Period. We are moving into the future. We see China's tremendous success. We love China and we think Israel has a lot to anchor. our friendship. "

          Yanddong said, "The friendship between our two peoples is rooted in tradition. The Chinese and the Jews are people of great wisdom. We created Asia. Our two outstanding cultures have existed for several thousand years. They have made a great contribution to the development of civilization."

          I am just a realist and I have no illusions about the friendship of China. China only cares about its interests - it does not see others
          1. Gorinich
            Gorinich 21 May 2014 13: 55
            +6
            I am aware of the fact that Israel is expanding cooperation with China. Therefore, I was interested in the presence of negative comments. These are not only your statements, but also others. Are you all such realists or are there any other underlying reasons? What do you think?
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            2. atalef
              atalef 21 May 2014 13: 58
              -1
              Quote: Gorinich
              Therefore, I was interested in the presence of negative comments

              But what, due to the fact that cooperation is expanding, I should automatically love China? The goals of China are clear and there is nothing to do with trade. More precisely, trading with him, we so slowly and surely grow and feed the monster.
              China has no sentiment (as it never was). You generally fell into the crowd of Chinese. when you are alone ?
              In general, they don’t consider anyone but themselves as people and it’s in their blood. It’s not even education (which can be changed) - it’s in the genes.
              1. Buran
                Buran 21 May 2014 16: 58
                +5
                And we are poor goy seduce, here are the loshars ...
            3. rkkasa xnumx
              rkkasa xnumx 21 May 2014 14: 51
              0
              Quote: Gorinich
              I’m wondering why Israel is so hostile to any expansion of China’s interests? Clash of interests or fulfillment of a US order?

              Quote: Gorinich
              This is not a label, it is a statement of fact. Check out all the comments about China users with the Star of David and make your own opinion ...

              Quote: Gorinich
              I am aware of the fact that Israel is expanding cooperation with China. Therefore, I was interested in the presence of negative comments. These are not only your statements, but also others. Are you all such realists or are there any other underlying reasons? What do you think?


              Yes this Israel was given to you laughing

              If you think that China will not twist our hands, explain why.
        4. Eugeniy_369k
          Eugeniy_369k 21 May 2014 14: 00
          -1
          Quote: Gorinich
          I’m wondering why Israel is so hostile to any expansion of China’s interests? Clash of interests or fulfillment of a US order?

          Atalef wrote everything off yes .
          And the fact that Israel ... well
          : "... and there is a quarter of our former people" ..
          drinks
      2. fzr1000
        fzr1000 21 May 2014 12: 56
        +8
        We do not need friendship with China. We need him to pay us regularly for the products. Long-term contracts were also concluded with Europe, and then lawsuits against Gazprom and demands for a price reduction began. I don’t even talk about Ukraine. Therefore, it’s better to trade at a lower price, but to receive money than at a more expensive one, but wait for payment for years and take the losses from theft. There are no ideal trading partners. Also, according to forecasts of gas consumption by China, I want to say that the year is not far off when China will consume as much gas per year as it is consumed by almost the whole world.
      3. teron
        teron 21 May 2014 13: 08
        0
        "China is a friend exclusively to himself, he prefers to see other friends from the back and in a bent position."

        I totally agree. Already received information that the gas contract will not be signed:
        http://top.rbc.ru/economics/21/05/2014/925165.shtml
      4. mira. 36
        mira. 36 21 May 2014 13: 20
        +1
        I agree 100% with you. Take at least a rag trade. What shit is brought from China? Self-respecting people have not bought this for a long time. And how do they behave in markets in big cities? As hosts of life. It’s very unpleasant to go to such establishments. And it’s very I want to say goodbye to them forever. Something broke with us in the 90s. And they use us to the fullest. And even though our self-awareness has grown, we continue to live according to the laws of the 90s.
        1. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx 21 May 2014 13: 33
          +7
          Quote: mira.36
          Take at least the rag trade. What shit is being brought from China? Self-respecting people have not bought this for a long time


          Chinese rags are different. Both in price and in quality.
          Yes, and now they are bringing not only rags from China.
        2. tasha
          tasha 21 May 2014 14: 29
          +5
          Your phrase about self-respecting people, rags and Chinese Mr. .. very amused. You poorly imagine that they are being taken from China.
      5. jovanni
        jovanni 21 May 2014 14: 03
        +4
        They twisted it along the way ... Or maybe they caught up with helicopters.
      6. Buran
        Buran 21 May 2014 16: 55
        +2
        There are minor problems with Turkmen gas - Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan ... For some overseas country that likes to play with matches and do dirty tricks, it's just a sin not to frolic. And then the pipe crosses the common border under joint supervision. In addition, everyone was obsessed with gas and oil, forgetting that they signed contracts for energy supply, and the construction of electricity networks. In addition to all this, today it is necessary to do a reserve and go to India, specifically through China. As a transit country, the Chinese comrades think that they will be more adequate than hiding horses.
      7. Cherdak
        Cherdak 21 May 2014 23: 07
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Russia, besides China, simply has no consumers in the east


        Are you sure about that?
  • fvandaku
    fvandaku 21 May 2014 11: 52
    +2
    Yes, the Chinese HAVE ALWAYS. As much as possible are ready to bend their trading partners.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 21 May 2014 11: 52
    +6
    Europe is generally confused now, if it wants to follow us with China, then its own NATO will poke around for such thoughts laughing
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 21 May 2014 16: 23
      0
      NATO is a North Atlantic alliance. Whom do they poke around? France is not a member of NATO, Germany itself will gladly poke all the participating countries for debts. Who will be kotsi?
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 21 May 2014 16: 32
        0
        Quote: Andrey77
        NATO is a North Atlantic alliance. Whom do they poke around? France is not a member of NATO, Germany itself will gladly poke all the participating countries for debts. Who will be kotsi?

        France is the French suction of the Americans, and in Germany there are 74 thousand US troops. Read on laughing
        1. Andrey77
          Andrey77 21 May 2014 16: 48
          0
          So what? 74 thousand. Where does the figure come from?
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  • Arzamas
    Arzamas 21 May 2014 11: 57
    +1
    The main thing is that cooperation would be sincere, if only China did not disappoint ...
  • teron
    teron 21 May 2014 11: 58
    +8
    We are waiting for feedback from Khramchikhin. I don’t feel any euphoria about rapprochement with China, but I don’t miss Europe either. All around are enemies.
  • mashine
    mashine 21 May 2014 11: 59
    +7
    It seems to me that it is necessary to build more terminals for transporting liquefied gas in the Far East. If you build a pipe to China, then they will then continue to push at a price. And from the terminal you can send to another place - there will be an opportunity to vary between consumers. And the pipe will make you play by the rules that China will establish.
    1. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 21 May 2014 12: 13
      +4
      Quote: mashine
      It seems to me that it is necessary to build more terminals for transporting liquefied gas in the Far East. If you build a pipe to China, then they will then continue to push at a price. And from the terminal you can send to another place - there will be an opportunity to vary between consumers. And the pipe will make you play by the rules that China will establish.


      I completely agree. Here is what M. Vinokurov wrote in "Arguments of the Week" 3 years ago:


      If you sell gas in its pure form, as it is now, then you need to move away from expensive pipeline systems. The construction of one LNG plant (liquefied natural gas) costs about 3-4 billion dollars. As much is the corresponding tanker fleet. Total 6-7 billion dollars. A pipe to Europe to transport a similar volume of gas will cost $ 15–20 billion. In addition, the pipe binds the supplier to a specific consumer, makes it dependent on him. A tanker (gas fleet with LNG) is free from such a link that allows you to sell gas in all markets (USA, Japan, Europe). And finally, most importantly, LNG plants are already a step towards high technology. This is a complex production, construction of factories, etc.
      1. atalef
        atalef 21 May 2014 13: 44
        +5
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        I completely agree. Here is what M. Vinokurov wrote in "Arguments of the Week" 3 years ago:

        This is suitable for countries like Qatar - which has deposits on the seashore. And there is no way to build pipelines.
        There are no alternatives to cheap pipelines
        It is expensive to liquefy gas; to transport, if not ships, is not realistic at all.
        Therefore, pipelines from Siberian deposits will have to be built in any case, and if you later liquefy it, then this whole crap will never pay off.
        Your scientist gave very crafty figures, without indicating the cost of the gas liquefaction process (which adds about 100 bucks to the price per 1000 cubic meters) by constructing the pipeline - its content is just a penny, etc.
        Russia has no alternative to gas pipelines, both because of the remoteness of the fields and because of the high cost of its production.
        1. rkkasa xnumx
          rkkasa xnumx 21 May 2014 14: 36
          0
          Quote: atalef

          This is suitable for countries like Qatar - which has deposits on the seashore. And there is no way to build pipelines.
          There are no alternatives to cheap pipelines
          It is expensive to liquefy gas; to transport, if not ships, is not realistic at all.


          Maybe so. To be honest, I had a suspicion that if the production and transportation of LNG were profitable with us, then most likely we would already be doing this.

          But even so, the pipe has one serious drawback - it ties the supplier to one consumer. In the case of LNG, this is not the case.

          In general, the best option for Russia is not to search for buyers for our PIs, and not to look for the best way to deliver them. It is advisable to do any of these PIs yourself. The same gas is not only fuel, but also raw material for the chemical industry.
          1. atalef
            atalef 21 May 2014 14: 40
            0
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            But even so, the pipe has one serious drawback - it ties the supplier to one consumer. In the case of LNG, this is not the case.

            Are you going to deliver gas to apartments?
            Consumers were and will remain at the state level; the conversation can go exclusively about the price per 1000 cubic meters. In the case of Russia, LNG is not profitable because all the pipelines will have to be built along the coast, + plants + fleet

            Quote: rkkasa 81
            . It is advisable to do any of these PIs yourself. The same gas is not only fuel, but also raw material for the chemical industry.

            There is nothing wrong with selling raw materials (gas is still not a round timber), but when the country's economy depends solely on the price of oil and gas --- this is not specifically ice.
          2. atalef
            atalef 21 May 2014 14: 40
            0
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            But even so, the pipe has one serious drawback - it ties the supplier to one consumer. In the case of LNG, this is not the case.

            Are you going to deliver gas to apartments?
            Consumers were and will remain at the state level; the conversation can go exclusively about the price per 1000 cubic meters. In the case of Russia, LNG is not profitable because all the pipelines will have to be built along the coast, + plants + fleet

            Quote: rkkasa 81
            . It is advisable to do any of these PIs yourself. The same gas is not only fuel, but also raw material for the chemical industry.

            There is nothing wrong with selling raw materials (gas is still not a round timber), but when the country's economy depends solely on the price of oil and gas --- this is not specifically ice.
            1. rkkasa xnumx
              rkkasa xnumx 21 May 2014 15: 40
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Are you going to deliver gas to apartments?


              I AM ? No, I have another job laughing

              Use of liquefied natural gas
              Gasification of communal and industrial facilities remote from trunk or distribution pipelines
              Creating a fuel reserve at the consumer to cover loads during the peak period (the so-called peak shaving, from the English LNG Peak Shaving)
              The use of LNG in various modes of transport as a motor fuel
              Production of heat and electricity, as well as industrial cold
              LNG as a raw material for use in the chemical industry
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    2. max702
      max702 21 May 2014 12: 14
      +3
      This is a difficult question, this technology is very expensive and highly specialized, the "pipe" (that is, the transportation of gas through it) is several times cheaper, and even with a lower gas price it is still more profitable, there is a lot to count, and each yuan or ruble is strong affects profitability, which is why negotiations drag on until the very end.
    3. IOwTZ
      IOwTZ 21 May 2014 14: 31
      +2
      Quote: mashine
      It seems to me that it is necessary to build more terminals for transporting liquefied gas in the Far East. If you build a pipe to China, then they will then continue to push at a price.


      They will not push. In the future, the hose will go through Korea, then Japan (as a counterweight). They won’t bet on the Chinese.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 21 May 2014 12: 02
    +7
    If there is an opportunity to destroy the hegemony of the United States together with China, then let it be together with China. I personally do not see that China is striving to take the place of the United States, we will simply point the Americans to their place and that's it, Russia itself obviously does not pull the US as a counterweight, China does not want to occupy the American place, for "the crown is heavy." While we and the Chinese walk along the way together, in the end this does not mean that we have to walk with each other by the hand.
  • Andrey77
    Andrey77 21 May 2014 12: 05
    +4
    As for the joint statements of Russia and China, then they are talking about "comprehensive partnership", "trusting dialogue", "good neighborliness" and "friendship."
    -
    A polite partnership of polite people.
  • KOH
    KOH 21 May 2014 12: 06
    +1
    Quote: fvandaku
    Yes, the Chinese HAVE ALWAYS. As much as possible are ready to bend their trading partners.


    I don’t look at partners and bend over ... No.the contract is not signed ...
    In general, it seems to me that the contract will be signed after June 1, because we will begin to squeeze the hoses on the outskirts, and more or less everything will become clear ...
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 21 May 2014 12: 13
      +4
      The supply contract has already been signed. Now traded for the price.
      1. KOH
        KOH 21 May 2014 12: 16
        +4
        Well, while there is no price, this is a project, so to speak ...
      2. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx 21 May 2014 12: 40
        +2
        Quote: Andrey77
        The supply contract has already been signed. Now traded for the price.


        How can I sign a supply contract without bargaining for a price?
        Yes, and this confuses:

        Russian President Vladimir Putin has proposed zeroing the mineral extraction tax for gas fields that will supply gas under a future contract to China

        After all, they correctly write that:

        in the case of zero mineral extraction tax, the main beneficiary will not be state. funds and state. budget, and suppliers.

        Something is wrong with these Chinese contracts ... Who, as the topic says, enlighten.
      3. falcon
        falcon 21 May 2014 13: 22
        0
        Quote: Andrey77
        The supply contract has already been signed. Now traded for the price.

        Price is an essential condition of any contract. No price contract signed to be
        can not.
        1. Andrey77
          Andrey77 21 May 2014 16: 00
          -2
          Easy. It all depends on the contracting parties. The price decision will be passed on to the ministers of the economy ...
          1. falcon
            falcon 21 May 2014 16: 35
            +2
            Quote: Andrey77
            Easy. It all depends on the contracting parties. The price decision will be passed on to the ministers of the economy ...

            Do not be silly. There is such a thing - the imperativeness of the rule of law.
            And nothing depends on the contracting parties here.
            Quote: Andrey77
            The price decision will be passed on to the ministers of the economy ...

            This contract is concluded by two legal entities - Gazprom and a Chinese company.
            And here are the ministers of the economy?
            Any such agreement has essential conditions - subject, terms, price,
            volumes etc. If these conditions are not reflected, the contract is void.
            Sincerely.
            1. Andrey77
              Andrey77 21 May 2014 16: 52
              -2
              This contract is concluded by two legal entities - Gazprom and a Chinese company.
              -
              Where does the data come from? You named Gazprom (although you took the first gas company by ear), name the Chinese company.
              1. falcon
                falcon 21 May 2014 17: 06
                +2
                Quote: Andrey77

                Where does the data come from? You named Gazprom (although you took the first gas company by ear), name the Chinese company.

                Sorry, it's called CNPC. In general, it would be nice to start with
                studying materiel. :))
                Then let me take my leave!
  • Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 21 May 2014 12: 14
    +1
    The deadline contract is not at all short, and it is very difficult to negotiate with the Chinese. Negotiations have been going on for 10 years and it is not clear how long they will go.
  • Not angry
    Not angry 21 May 2014 12: 21
    +2
    Without knowing how to agree, you can assume anything. As for gas, it seems to Russia that it’s not critical, and they don’t agree. And then we'll see. Do not trade for dollars is more important. The volume of gas that voiced the trifle is that for Russia it is for China.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 21 May 2014 16: 28
      0
      Just look at the railway station bordering with China. Towards China is a forest, not barrels of oil.
  • Not angry
    Not angry 21 May 2014 12: 35
    +1
    I dare to assume that the main subject of the contract is not the price, but the volumes of gas sold. One little noticeable moment before the trip to the PRC was announced the delivery volume of 30, but after the trip they did not agree on 68.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 21 May 2014 12: 48
      +1
      Everything is clear here. The pipe to China is one, unlike the North and South streams. Its throughput is known. We physically cannot pump.
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 21 May 2014 12: 58
      +2
      New deposits are now being commissioned in Eastern Siberia. They are closer to China, and from there they will pull the pipe.
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 21 May 2014 13: 00
        0
        Now there is no such pipe. We will be realistic.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 21 May 2014 13: 02
          +2
          So the deposits do not work as usual yet.
  • Prometey
    Prometey 21 May 2014 12: 43
    -1
    Not a pessimist, but the reality is harsh. Putin's visit to China is an attempt by a drowning man to grab a straw. And all the recent statements about the withdrawal of our army from the border (excuse me, where to withdraw, how far to withdraw?) Are a signal to the West that it is ready to make concessions on the Ukrainian issue. Unfortunately, the West has won - its diplomatic, political and economic power is still too great. Putin understood this, which is why Russia behaves so sluggishly after Crimea. There will be no assistance to the DPR - neither military nor economic. After the elections in Ukraine, the Kremlin - whether it wants it or not - will make political contact with the "new" government. Nobody wants to lose gas contracts for 450 bucks with Europe, and I think Moscow will not feed the Chinese economy for a gift of Russian gas.
    In the near future, Putin will begin to take steps to normalize relations with the EU and the states. Crimea, sooner or later, will be "forgiven" us, but the southeast will not. Money is still a powerful argument in the Great Political Game. Of course, Russia will not lose billions in turnover with the EU for the sake of two Ukrainian regions.
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 21 May 2014 12: 49
      +5
      The version has the right to life, BUT I would say easier: wait and see. Analytics and forecasts are slippery and not appreciative.
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 21 May 2014 12: 52
      +1
      Ukraine to me and the overwhelming majority of the inhabitants of the Russian Federation - to a damn, sorry for the jargon. We have a geopolitical war with the USA. The European Union will fall apart, because Germany and Great Britain stupidly for money will not pull out Europe.
    3. kombat58
      kombat58 21 May 2014 13: 09
      +1
      They have repeatedly told the world that besides money and billions, there are other TRADITIONAL VALUES. And they are now put at the forefront.
      THE IDEA OF THE RUSSIAN WORLD is not in making and enriching.
      For light in the soul and good mood in the morning, it is required that the SUN rise in the clear sky on time. And so that the children are full and laugh.
      And for this a lot of money is NOT NECESSARY!
      1. aleks700
        aleks700 21 May 2014 14: 25
        +3
        No shit! No one is going to give up their billions. And we - the traditional they do not care.
      2. Andrey77
        Andrey77 21 May 2014 16: 11
        +1
        For light in the soul, border guards (fleet, army) are needed to protect your peace from enemies. The sun is good, but I would give you AKM and 8 horns. And in the sun, throw march. In full gear. 15 kilometers (I'm not a beast, I could have been 25). Then the SUN of Tajikistan will joyfully wink at you.
    4. VPO
      VPO 21 May 2014 13: 12
      +3
      Russia did not spoil relations with Europe and the United States. And was not going to and is not going to lose sales markets.
      Russia is forced to leave the European market. A trip to China is a trip to the future, Sechin said everything clearly before the start of negotiations. If they signed today it would be ideal, this is a blow below the Merkel belt, but apparently it will not work. And if you read everything that is signed, then it’s nominally obtained. And for LPG and coal.
      1. Goodmen
        Goodmen 21 May 2014 16: 22
        +1
        Quote: malware
        And if you read everything that is signed, then it’s nominally obtained. And for LPG and coal.


        And what did they sign?
        Are you selling resources again? ... normality is in question, but for us this is the norm ... (((
        Forest, gas, coal - I already read about it, and what else?
  • falcon
    falcon 21 May 2014 12: 48
    +3
    Obviously, the main goal of the President’s visit to China was one - to push through the gas contract.
    It did not work out - the Chinese are tough negotiators, plus they have the opportunity to wait. In Russia,
    in light of the upcoming "dancing with tambourines" in June around the Ukrainian transit to Europe,
    a big trump card appeared. Everything else - military, military-technical spheres, joint
    position, etc. - tinsel for the "electorate". The main goal of the negotiations, unfortunately, has not been achieved
    There is nothing special to blackmail Europeans now, because they perfectly understand that the supplier is exactly
    it depends on the consumer as much as the consumer on the supplier.
    Article "+"
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 21 May 2014 12: 55
      +4
      Sorry, you are up to date on the main goal of the negotiations. Those. You have information from the Russian Foreign Ministry, and not from the yellow newspaper in the subway. So?
      1. aleks700
        aleks700 21 May 2014 14: 27
        +1
        Andrey, and who here has the information passing under the stamp completely secret?
      2. falcon
        falcon 21 May 2014 14: 48
        +1
        Quote: Andrey77
        Sorry, you are up to date on the main goal of the negotiations. Those. You have information from the Russian Foreign Ministry, and not from the yellow newspaper in the subway. So?

        Have you tried to read the article before writing a comment? Information on
        I got the question that interests you from the article under discussion entitled:
        "Putin in China".
        "Meanwhile, gas is the main purpose of Vladimir Putin's trip to China" (quote).
        1. Andrey77
          Andrey77 21 May 2014 16: 31
          0
          For me, the article is the same yellow newspaper in the subway. Didn’t you think?
  • Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 21 May 2014 12: 56
    +1
    The contract on the supply of Russian gas to China during the current visit to the country of Russian President Vladimir Putin will not be signed, the newspaper The Financial Times reports citing representatives of PetroChina.
    "We will not sign. At the moment, the price of imported gas and the price of gas on the domestic market are opposite. We are already losing money on gas imports and we cannot lose even more," the press secretary of the company, Mao Zefeng, told the publication.

    Read in full: http://top.rbc.ru/economics/21/05/2014/925165.shtml#xtor=AL-[internal_traffic.BIZ--
    [rbc.ru] - [main_body] - [item_1]
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 21 May 2014 12: 59
      +5
      We did not bend. This is a plus for our diplomats.
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 21 May 2014 13: 01
      +1
      FT is not an oracle, so let's wait for the results.
    3. _my opinion
      _my opinion 21 May 2014 19: 04
      0
      Well at the moment it has become very clear that The Financial Times (with reference to representatives of PetroChina) simply liedand this is a lie duplicated RBC... which, however, does not surprise me.
  • Aleksey11
    Aleksey11 21 May 2014 13: 12
    +3
    That's right, the Chinese decided to bend us in connection with the events in Ukraine and get the lowest possible price in exchange for their support.
    We need to wait for the Chinese to come to us in a conflict with Vietnam, Japan, the USA, the Philippines, etc.

    Our Chinese comrades forgot HOW RUSSIANS can bargain, let them honor the History of the annexation of the Far East. wink
  • Orel
    Orel 21 May 2014 13: 24
    -2
    Damn, all these howls about the revival of industry and the country ended with our power crawling to the belly in China. Oh, buy our gazka. Please note: it’s not the Chinese who came — it crawled to them. What kind of equal cooperation can we talk about? And how to build a policy so that the whole of Europe turns its back on us. Where are our allies, where are all these rotten show-offs who said that Europe is our everything? Salvage is our everything, but it began to be confiscated in Europe. That is the whole strategy. And China, as they say here correctly, is pumping to the fullest. So, instead of real military assistance to the Southeast, we are trying to beg a pretty penny from China. (Our probable opponent)
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 21 May 2014 13: 30
      +2
      Well, you and the alarmist ...
      1. aleks700
        aleks700 21 May 2014 14: 31
        +1
        No panic, a statement of fact.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 21 May 2014 14: 34
          +2
          There are other facts. I'm an optimist.
      2. Orel
        Orel 21 May 2014 18: 05
        -1
        Quote: fzr1000
        Well, you and the alarmist ...

        Try saying this to the parents of the murdered children in the Southeast. Better yet, put yourself in their place. Now the stream pours Slavic blood. And the Judaic merchants are afraid to cheapen for gas. UNDER SUCH SYSTEM CORRUPTION IN RUSSIA, THE PRICE DOESN’T HAVE A SPECIAL VALUE - EVERYTHING WILL BE SURPRISE ANYTHING. And IF YOU DO NOT STOP NOW KILLING THE SLAVES, THEN IT WILL BE LATE. I looked at the photos - Slavyansk fights off with anti-tank rifles of 1941. And where are the deliveries of modern weapons, advisers, etc. etc.? And in Karaganda. And you rub me in about the panic.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 21 May 2014 21: 24
          0
          So you are not only an alarmist. It seems like a provocateur.
          1. Orel
            Orel 21 May 2014 23: 13
            +1
            Quote: fzr1000
            So you are not only an alarmist. It seems like a provocateur.

            My friend, before throwing such words, I recommend turning on your brains, or best of all, a conscience that you do not seem to have observed. If God forbid, they begin to slaughter you and your family, and someone stands up for you, you will also call him a provocateur? RUSSIA ALWAYS KEEP THAT ARE PUT FROM A FRIEND.
            PS Although, maybe you are not Russian.
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 22 May 2014 08: 47
              0
              Blah blah blah ... Specifically, are you now calling for a declaration of war on Ukraine? If so, then I am against.

              PS Russian, I'm Russian, just, just with brains.
              1. Orel
                Orel 22 May 2014 11: 08
                0
                Quote: fzr1000
                Specifically, are you now calling for a declaration of war on Ukraine?

                YES NO, I CALL FOR WAR AGAINST BANDERS AND Fascists.
                PS As for you, my "friend with brains", it looks like you really work for Bandera. Is it paid in dollars or in hryvnia? Or an ideological fighter?
    2. Aleksey11
      Aleksey11 21 May 2014 13: 35
      +2
      Everything goes according to the Plan, you don’t idealize China like that, there are also a lot of problems. And strengthening the economy before action is very buzzing.
      And yet the Allies, we only have our Army and Navy, no matter how trite it sounds. We will be Strong, so we will push the "Allies" with our foot.
    3. Prometey
      Prometey 21 May 2014 14: 43
      +1
      Quote: Oryol
      Damn, all these howls about the revival of industry and the country ended with our power crawling to the belly in China.

      Quote: Oryol
      Where are our allies, where are all these rotten show-offs who said that Europe is our everything?

      Bitter, but true. They clamped us on all sides and there’s nothing to answer.
  • Nikich
    Nikich 21 May 2014 13: 25
    +1
    Quote: Aleksey11
    That's right, the Chinese decided to bend us in connection with the events in Ukraine and get the lowest possible price in exchange for their support.
    We need to wait for the Chinese to come to us in a conflict with Vietnam, Japan, the USA, the Philippines, etc.

    Our Chinese comrades forgot HOW RUSSIANS can bargain, let them honor the History of the annexation of the Far East. wink

    Yes, they did not forget. Look at any Chinese market. That's where the bargaining goes. wink
  • Aleksey11
    Aleksey11 21 May 2014 13: 31
    +3
    By the way, I’m talking about Ukraine again))) I think the GDP will return home soon, and after the elections of the 25th, if the New President stops the Really Punitive Operation, then ACTIVE actions will begin.
    The whole logic of events says that it's too early for China, but after the elections, when there is already someone to "put pressure on," am
    The main thing is then to put all the Clowns from Kiev for a long time, for the Genocide.
  • 3vs
    3vs 21 May 2014 13: 31
    +7
    As they say - "nothing personal", business is business.
    The Chinese take care of themselves.
    Our persistence would also not hurt!
    LNG plants need to be built before it’s too late in the Far East and the West
    direction.
    In addition to China, there are Japan and South Korea.
    You’ll not extend the pipe everywhere.
    And the tanker fleet should be developed for this business.
    It’s time to transfer money from American bonds to
    something tangible for the country.
  • Majorloms
    Majorloms 21 May 2014 13: 32
    +4
    Signed! Money, any after all.
    1. Goha
      Goha 21 May 2014 13: 44
      +2
      At a loss and in spite of the Americans? We are not stolen, which loot does not need-dump water for so in the sea.
    2. yulka2980
      yulka2980 21 May 2014 14: 26
      +3
      And at what price, do not tell me?
  • Dvm70
    Dvm70 21 May 2014 13: 39
    +5
    Gazprom and CNPC signed a contract to supply gas to China. In any case, this is a diversification of supplies for us. And this is good. It will have to work a lot and hard. It is imperative to develop this area and already now think about new customers. (countries of Southeast Asia).
  • Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 21 May 2014 13: 42
    +2
    Maybe someone knows at what price?
  • Goha
    Goha 21 May 2014 13: 42
    +2
    Why not signed? I report: Kitaezy want to attract themselves (together with Russia) to the development of new deposits, ours do not. Why?
    1. atalef
      atalef 21 May 2014 13: 48
      +1
      Quote: Goha
      Why not signed? I report: Kitaezy want to attract themselves (together with Russia) to the development of new deposits, ours do not. Why?

      Quote: Goha
      Why not signed? I report: Kitaezy want to attract themselves (together with Russia) to the development of new deposits, ours do not. Why?


      Because it is understandable why. Tomorrow, gaining experience in developing fields (which they do not have) and gaining a foothold for many years (maybe they require a share in the development) - mining companies will quietly tear out, and these are all friends of GDP. BOLIVAR cannot stand such a double blow.
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  • ovokasi08
    ovokasi08 21 May 2014 13: 47
    +4
    Gazprom agreed
    Get the guys))))) !!!!!
    http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/21/gazprom/
  • Aleksey11
    Aleksey11 21 May 2014 13: 48
    +1
    Signed is very good. The conditions are not announced - this is bad.
    But the worst thing is if they had not signed at all.
    Waiting for more details!
    1. VeteranS
      VeteranS 21 May 2014 13: 57
      +2
      But why voice it ... let the European Union and Ukraine become very nervous and stop their gas blackmail of Russia, in any case, we have found reliable gas sales in the Far East for 30 years, and gas consumption in China, according to experts, will increase by 2- 2,5 times.
      As for the development of its industry on the basis of the latest technologies, I agree and the Russian military-industrial complex will be the locomotive for this.
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 21 May 2014 14: 01
      +3
      The contract price will be $ 400 billion, quoted Gazprom Chairman Alexei Miller ITAR-TASS. Gazprom shares on the Moscow Exchange after signing the contract grew by 2% (as of 13.50). In addition, in addition to the contract, the parties signed a memorandum of understanding in the field of gas supplies along the eastern route. The document was signed by Minister of Energy Alexander Novak and Head of the State Energy Administration of the People's Republic of China, Wu Xinsyun. .
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      2. atalef
        atalef 21 May 2014 14: 16
        0
        Quote: fzr1000
        The contract price will be $ 400 billion, quotes Gazprom chairman Alexei Miller ITAR-TASS

        Forgive me of course, but the price of the contract is nothing. We can talk only about profit (expected), gas price and export conditions.
        The total price is not even the average temperature in the hospital
        - a figure indicating nothing.
        I think because the price for 1000 cubic meters was not announced - it means there is nothing to brag about
        Please note - at a price of less than 350 bucks per 100 cubic meters, gas simply ceases to be profitable.
        Of the 30 billion received over 400 years, it will be necessary to subtract as development costs, infrastructure, etc. etc.
        The Chinese will pay 400 billion (for 30 years) - the question is how much will remain in net profit, and this is money in the budget, etc.
        We will wait when they say the price for 1000 cubic meters.
        Then the champagne can be opened.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 21 May 2014 14: 31
          +1
          I’m sorry, because only Miller and the GDP so far on our part know about the price of gas. Information taken from RIA Novosti. I will not open Champusik anyway, because so far this deal has more political overtones than economic ones. Everything else needs to be watched specifically, as you wrote, but Gazprom doesn’t even have a s.a.a.
        2. fzr1000
          fzr1000 21 May 2014 16: 33
          0
          Earlier today, Gazprom and the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) signed a contract to supply gas to China. The term of the agreement is designed for 30 years, the price of the contract is $ 400 billion. Based on the total amount of the contract ($ 400 billion over 30 years), if the annual deliveries amount to 38 billion cubic meters. m, the price of the Chinese contract is about $ 350 per 1 cubic meters. m, the analyst of VTB Capital Ekaterina Rodina calculated.
  • anip
    anip 21 May 2014 13: 48
    +3
    Gas, gas, gas. The search for those who will buy it ... But is not all this fuss a banal confirmation of the failure of the entire economic policy of the country after the collapse of the USSR? Including the reign of Samy-Know-Whose Year 2000? Where, b ... is the whole industry? Why should a country's life depend on the sale of resources? Why does a country have to sell resources, and not use them to the maximum at home, releasing finished products and exporting, and what remains of the resources can be sold? Why is the majority rejoicing that, they say, we’ll start selling gas to China and Europe will be left with nothing? Yes, damn it, do not rejoice, but you need to cry, because apart from resources, the country can not offer anything sensible for sale. As it became raw as a result of the activity of liberoids, it remains to her. And who said that in such circumstances, China will not require that the gas price that China wants be set? And who said that China, even if it signs any agreements, will not unilaterally terminate the agreement and will not try to set its price for gas, especially when pipes are laid there, having killed billions? Why rejoice? Commodity country ??
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 21 May 2014 13: 54
      +1
      10 years destroyed everything that was, and now in 10 years you want to get the result, as in China, which has been going towards this since the 70s, and even for a bowl of rice? It will not work, so be patient with patience.
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 21 May 2014 14: 24
        +3
        Quote: fzr1000
        10 years destroyed everything that was, and now in 10 years you want to get the result, as in China, which has been going towards this since the 70s, and even for a bowl of rice? It will not work, so be patient with patience.

        Putin has been in power since 2000 - 14 years. Read that in the USSR from 1930-1940. It was built from scratch. The Russian Federation, unlike the USSR of the 30s, had a production base + a flow of petrodollars. During this time, it was possible not only to build a powerful industrial economy, but also to colonize Mars.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 21 May 2014 14: 32
          +1
          Yes, it took only about 5 years to stop the fall that Boris left. Everyone is so smart and knowledgeable around. 30s forget. This will not happen, otherwise all the jackals will howl in and around the country.
        2. aleks700
          aleks700 21 May 2014 14: 36
          0
          And you, my friend, then they would have shot! Yes, and me, since I completely agree with you.
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      3. atalef
        atalef 21 May 2014 14: 35
        +2
        Quote: fzr1000
        10 years destroyed everything that was, and now in 10 years you want to get the result in China,?

        Can you imagine what can be done in 14 years, and even with such resources?

        Quote: fzr1000
        want to get a result like in China, which has been going towards this since the 70s,

        Since the 70s?
        Not true, much later - this time.
        Transformations in China began in the late 70s, and in the hungry 80s the entire USSR was already inundated with a Chinese carcass.
        Shuttles began to ride in China in the early 90's and still ride.
        And this is provided that in China there is neither oil nor gas. and 1.5 billion hungry mouths (at the beginning of the journey 0 and industry at the level of 19th century.
        For 14 years, much more could have been done in Russia - we won’t be tempting.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 21 May 2014 14: 53
          -1
          Well, tell me, sir, how sir? Methods of collectivization and industrialization? To refuse again from your external debts? Again dispossession and cancellation of the results of privatization, i.e. to throw not only ogloed-millionaires, but also simpler people?
          And the obligations given to the people who brought you to power? Ah ... Yes, it’s full of everything ...

          China has been going since 1972 to what happened to it in 1980. The country's GDP grew in my opinion by 30%. Therefore, I wrote-since the 70s. The cost of labor in China and Russia in the 90s is not comparable. And do not forget about the role of the United States in the breakthrough of China. Nobody has offered us such a thing. China had an ideology, Russia does not have it even now. And it is very difficult in a country that has just got rid of a powerful ideology that was more than 70 years old to introduce a new ideology that will still have a positive effect, and not like in Germany.
          GDP is not ideal, but .... what we have is what we have.
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          2. atalef
            atalef 21 May 2014 15: 03
            0
            Quote: fzr1000
            Well, tell me, sir, how sir? Methods of collectivization and industrialization? To refuse again from your external debts?


            China has succeeded. By the way, what kind of external debts are you talking about. If about the fact that the USSR / Russia should have - so they were written off
            Quote: fzr1000
            China has been going since 1972 to what happened to it in 1980; the country's GDP grew in my opinion by 30%

            For a country of the 3rd world, this is not much, in fact, its GDP has been growing for many years by 10% per year (including 2000)
            Quote: fzr1000
            And do not forget about the role of the United States in the breakthrough of China. Nobody has offered us this.

            So I don’t understand, is the USA bad or good?
            Quote: fzr1000
            .China had an ideology, Russia does not have it and now

            This ideology is quite ephemeral, since with the type of communist China the number of billionaires in it is not at all frail
            Quote: fzr1000
            And it’s very difficult in a country that has just got rid of a powerful ideology that has been over 70 years old to introduce a new ideology that will still have a positive effect,

            Come on . won Ukraine a propaganda in 3 months by a fascist country.
            In general, what ideology - for example, in Luxembourg or Monaco or Switzerland - does this prevent them from being a successful country
            Quote: fzr1000
            GDP is not ideal, but .... what we have is what we have.

            The people deserve the government - which they choose - why blame it - the option is not the worst. But apparently a little current.
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 21 May 2014 16: 22
              0
              I will only answer that prosperous countries do not need ideology. And we are not one of them. But in China there is no ideology? To argue further laziness, something to me from this argument? hi
            2. Papakiko
              Papakiko 21 May 2014 21: 45
              0
              Quote: atalef
              won Ukraine a propaganda in 3 months by a fascist country.

              What is the Prop Propaganda?
              If from small to large "Westerners" with torches and jumping about "yak on gilyak".
              Or do you want the Russians to attribute these staged acts?
              Quote: atalef
              In general, what ideology - for example, in Luxembourg or Monaco or Switzerland - does this prevent them from being a successful country

              Forgot Cyprus, Bahamas and of course VATICAN!
              All without any ideology is true, is it true?
    2. ovokasi08
      ovokasi08 21 May 2014 13: 55
      +1
      Europe once blocked the gas, but China we can’t (yes, even if it was from Ukraine, but you weren’t afraid, in spite of any losses) ?????? Do you think we won’t be able to close the pipe if gas costs $ 1 per 1 cubic meter. ????? No one will sell gas to them at a loss
      1. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx 21 May 2014 15: 04
        0
        Quote: ovokasi08
        Europe once blocked the gas, but China we can’t (yes, even if it was from Ukraine, but you weren’t afraid, in spite of any losses) ??????


        This is when Europe blocked the gas?
    3. saag
      saag 21 May 2014 14: 02
      +2
      You just remember what was the system under which a lot was produced by ourselves, and what system exists in that country which today supplies a lot of things to all countries of the world, the answer is that in order to restore the status quo in production, this system is needed.
    4. wizarden
      wizarden 21 May 2014 14: 32
      0
      Well, not quite raw.

      In total, in 2013, goods were exported for 523 billion dollars and services for 70 billion dollars.
      In total, Russia received from all exports 593 billion dollars in 2013 year
      Of these, crude oil was sold at 174 billion, oil products at 109 billion, natural gas at 67 billion, liquefied gas at 5 billion.
      That is, hydrocarbons and its derivatives were exported at $ 355 billion in 2013
      It turns out that Russia received 238 billion dollars in 2013 from the export of goods and services, in addition to oil and gas.
      238 billion non-fuel exports - is it a lot or a little?
      For comparison, the total total export of goods and services of Russia in 2004 was about 204 billion.
      Does anyone remember the 2004 economic apocalypse? No? This is because he was not there.

      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/49758/
      1. rkkasa xnumx
        rkkasa xnumx 21 May 2014 15: 18
        +1
        Quote: wizarden
        Well, not quite raw.

        Quote: wizarden
        In total, Russia received from all exports 593 billion dollars in 2013 year
        Of these, crude oil was sold at 174 billion, oil products at 109 billion, natural gas at 67 billion, liquefied gas at 5 billion.
        That is, hydrocarbons and its derivatives were exported at $ 355 billion in 2013
        It turns out that Russia received 238 billion dollars in 2013 from the export of goods and services, in addition to oil and gas.


        Didn’t they write anything about coal, metal, wood?
    5. g1v2
      g1v2 21 May 2014 15: 28
      +1
      They realized something late, 23 years ago they emptied a country with a powerful economy, then they finished off the remnants for 10 years, and now we wonder where everything is? Guys if it were not for GDP, we would have the same situation as ukrov. Over 15 years, GDP has done MUCH BUT BEFORE THE ECONOMY OF THE USSR, we are like cancer before China. From the ashes to revive the economy of hellish work and this is not to wave a saber. And by the way, the USSR also sat on a hydrocarbon needle, and changes in the economy were already ripe then. Everyone says a lot that you need to get off this needle but no one knows how. In the best case, they say that it is necessary to develop high-tech industries, but without specifics. What kind of industries, who will buy their products, what is their profitability, etc., no one can say. So I can say a lot, but I have never heard concrete proposals. Our only competitive high-tech enterprises are the military industrial complex and it is precisely them that are now loading orders. And then in the 90s, many excellent specialists left it, and there is almost no equal replacement for them. I myself have been a designer and designer from VPK by education everywhere — from a confectionery factory to a car workshop and trade, and these were competent specialists from the Soviet school.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 21 May 2014 13: 58
    +2
    Everything will be fine ... Time will tell who is right and who is not! China is a serious country ...
  • Russ69
    Russ69 21 May 2014 13: 59
    +4
    TOTAL COST OF A 30-YEAR CONTRACT FOR THE DELIVERY OF RUSSIAN GAS TO CHINA IS $ 400 BILLION - MILLER

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/economy/20140521/1008694440.html#ixzz32LJJNV00

    The cost of gas itself, Miller refused to name now, citing trade secrets ...
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought 21 May 2014 14: 09
    +1
    You cannot sell gas to China cheaply, as an option, you can lay a pipeline along the bottom of the sea to South Korea, here they will be happy, and at a price you can find the best option. Well, and China, if it does not want to take gas at our price, well, it’s not necessary, we won’t kneel before it.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 21 May 2014 16: 46
      0
      They have no other options now. I will reveal the secret. But they will bargain to the end.
  • chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 21 May 2014 14: 14
    +4
    China is good! And business friendship with Chinese friends is just wonderful. But! In the East, only the STRONG is respected. China today has learned a lot from the Stalinist USSR. Unlike us, they have not lost this science but developed it. As a result, the most powerful STATE, the army is such that there is no one to compare (even with syshya). They don't express much. To the East, they are unperturbed. But they will not miss theirs. And they will remain friends as long as the Russian Federation is strong. If anyone is aware of the Chinese RDGs (tigers), they can share my personal opinion that they are the best in the world. In many ways. I mean that you have to be friends with a friend. But keep the powder dry. God forbid sharing blood. We have enough Chinese citizens in Siberia. And not only from the "flea market". Behind the backs of most of those who “do not consider the yuan in a tavern with Chinese cuisine” are the ears of the Chinese special services (the impression is subjective). When Crimea became part of the Russian Federation. Chinese Friends joyfully and openly expressed their approval: - Hurray! Crimea is ours! (they are me-Russian). Of course he shook hands with them, but somehow he was wary ... bully
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 21 May 2014 17: 00
      0
      While we had a redistribution of the 90s, they were building up their power. Many will argue that RDG Tigers are the best. Yes, they are up to par. But you must have an objective "power meter". And not the fact that they are the best.
  • Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 21 May 2014 14: 19
    +1
    Well, the gas contract for 30 years and signed.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 21 May 2014 14: 23
      +3
      Quote: Bob0859
      Well, the gas contract for 30 years and signed.

      Who would doubt that. Just bargained to the last. Europe may enter into contracts for the supply of firewood lol . From Russia fellow
  • pensioner
    pensioner 21 May 2014 14: 26
    +3
    Well ... Whoever and what would not say, but the contract for the supply of gas has been signed. 400 milliards is a staggering amount. I will listen with pleasure tomorrow to the blathering of all sorts of "common people" about this. And from Europe and from America ...
  • shah_I_mat
    shah_I_mat 21 May 2014 14: 28
    +1
    Gazprom and CNPC, China's national oil and gas corporation, have signed an agreement to supply natural gas via the eastern route. It is reported by RIA Novosti. The contract is concluded for 30 years, volumes will amount to 38 billion cubic meters per year. Gas will go to China via the eastern route through the Power of Siberia gas pipeline.

    A memorandum between the companies was concluded in 2013, but since then the parties have not been able to resolve the issue of price.

    Gazprom shares rose sharply amid reports of a contract. Quotes of the gas monopoly rose 1,9 percent, while major indices traded in the red.

    At the same time, it became known that Russia and China signed an interstate memorandum of understanding in the field of gas supplies along the eastern route. The document was signed by the Minister of Energy of Russia Alexander Novak and the head of the State Energy Administration of China, Wu Xinsun.
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 21 May 2014 14: 30
    +2
    Quote: lewerlin53rus
    Quote: Bob0859
    Well, the gas contract for 30 years and signed.

    Who would doubt that. Just bargained to the last. Europe may enter into contracts for the supply of firewood lol . From Russia fellow

    The volume of gas supplies to China is not yet comparable in terms of deliveries to Europe, so it’s too early to put an end to Europe, the more likely the price is by no means European. This contract is most geopolitical.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 21 May 2014 14: 42
      +4
      Quote: lis-ik
      This contract is most geopolitical.

      Well, at a loss, then Gazprom will definitely not trade. Maybe there won't be super profits, but the walrus will be decent. Well, I see this as another important point. The signing of such a contract is a powerful incentive for the development of those regions of Eastern Siberia that will be involved in its implementation. Life in those areas will soon boil.
    2. bulvas
      bulvas 21 May 2014 14: 55
      +3
      Quote: lis-ik
      Europe is too early to cross



      Thank God, smart people come to leadership, no one will put crosses.

      Let the money go to Russia, fill the budget
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 21 May 2014 15: 15
      0
      Quote: lis-ik
      This contract is most geopolitical.

      Both geopolytic and economic. Life News, referring to its sources, reported that the price of gas is European. In the region of 350-360 dollars, given the lower transportation costs, it is quite normal
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 21 May 2014 19: 20
        -1
        Quote: Russ69
        area 350-360 dollars, Given the lower cost of transportation, it is quite normal

        They say ... that the cost of production, including gas transportation (Domestic) does not exceed 200 green per 1000 cubic meters. So: $ 350 - it's up to a fig. Hello to all national skeptics = national traitors.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 21 May 2014 20: 58
          0
          I feel that the Man from the Big Gazprom set a minus ... Well, Duc, explain about the cost price ...
        2. pensioner
          pensioner 21 May 2014 20: 58
          0
          I feel that the Man from the Big Gazprom set a minus ... Well, Duc, explain about the cost price ...
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    4. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 21 May 2014 16: 03
      0
      Quote: lis-ik
      Gas deliveries to China are not yet comparable for deliveries to Europe

      dashing trouble - the beginning. Another year will work. They will build infrastructure and will not stop there for sure. I need a lot of gas from China. Although this contract is the largest ever in the industry
  • aleks700
    aleks700 21 May 2014 14: 39
    0
    Friendship with China is good! China would have thought so.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 21 May 2014 16: 38
      0
      Everyone has their own interests. But the main point of contact is the US response. Details agree. Of course, Europe will be the first to feel the direction of flow in the other direction.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 21 May 2014 14: 46
    +1
    China for a long time vykobenivatsya think because it did not want to sit on the "gas needle" (watching the EU) You quickly get used to good things ..))) laughing and I don’t understand the hysteria of some .. as if Russia would pump gas from China))) (Russia ranks first in the world in gas reserves)
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 21 May 2014 16: 42
      0
      China has its own policy. You don’t have to fraternize with them, but to trade is very much so.
  • Serg7281
    Serg7281 21 May 2014 14: 49
    +1
    Perhaps it’s time to nominate this Psaki for the Nobel Peace Prize .... but what if the boss got it and did nothing to strengthen the world, but, on the contrary, tries to set it on fire, then what is it worse ??? although it will probably be better not for a peace prize, but for literature, because its tongue-tiedness is on everyone’s lips, and it is also absolutely not competent in those issues for which it is responsible by type of service.
  • nvv
    nvv 21 May 2014 17: 09
    +1
    Quote: Eugeniy_369k
    Quote: Gorinich
    I’m wondering why Israel is so hostile to any expansion of China’s interests? Clash of interests or fulfillment of a US order?

    Atalef wrote everything off yes .
    And the fact that Israel ... well
    : "... and there is a quarter of our former people" ..
    drinks
    And drinking with the enemy is a shame.
  • Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 21 May 2014 17: 25
    +1
    ... What does America think about this? ...

    -And what do women say about this?
    -Women? Shouting ... laughing
  • IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 21 May 2014 17: 41
    +4
    Putin in China, Putin on the moon, Putin under water, Putin in the clouds, Putin sold gas, Gazprom is a national treasure, etc., in short, Superman.
    But in the USSR it was easier to breathe ... What good was in the USSR? Yes, a lot of things! Almost everything. Free medicine and education were. And not just free, but the best in the world. Any person could cure for free any illness that happened to him, and then, with a sigh of full breasts, he could go to study for whom only his heart desires! Do you want an engineer, but you want - a captain for a long voyage! Very easy! Well, or to the astronaut there.
    And from vocational schools - it was completely prohibited to exclude. So even the most lazy and stupid citizens got access to a source of knowledge and mastered the most necessary professions. At the same time receiving scholarships, meals and work clothes. Well, right? Very well.
    The apartments were handed out absolutely free! In Moscow, in Leningrad, in Vladivostok. Yes, all over the country! Just like that, because you are a citizen of the Soviet Union. Fiction! But, however - it was.
    Construction sites, cyclopean construction projects that were actually being built, and not plundered by insatiable officials. One BAM is only worth it! Because there was order, and for theft it was possible to go to Kolyma, or even to get the highest measure.
    Crimea was also the rest of Latvia - in the public domain. I got a ticket to the trade union committee - and to Yalta. Or in Sochi. And then a tour of Yugoslavia! Tanned, funny, Philips tape recorder snatched successfully from the flying Finns for three Russian dolls and a balalaika - romance!
    I took a vacation - to the factory! Neither to you racket, nor to you tax. No cop roofs, nor any heroin. He worked out the shift, went with the men - he tapped dominoes on the table, crushed a white bubble, varnished with fruit and berry. Home, watch the program "Time", read the "novel newspaper", raise children. Simple and understandable life, without dyes and flavors. Everything is natural. Beauty is the same!
    And there was a power. This one, on behalf of which the enemy began to shake finely and covered with icy sweat. Power because he felt the calm breath of a self-confident giant. Good, but merciless.
    That’s what citizens of this fashion say. And they, by the way, are absolutely right. And so it was. Despite the fact that they themselves do not live according to the state, and have various bourgeois benefits for personal use, they are still right. They go in jeans and sheepskin coats without selling their souls to the Devil, without getting them through acquaintances of trade workers - and all are right. Everything was free, and trips to Yugoslavia, and fruit, though sour, but inexpensive and everywhere. And you don’t need to argue with them. And all this was without Putin and breathed easier.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 21 May 2014 18: 49
      +2
      And BECAUSE YOU ALL THOSE THOSE and allowed to destroy, and now when someone is trying to raise the country from the ruins you are whining that you live not as you would like. Late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys fell off. Putin is the only politician who works to build my country and people, so I am for him. At the same time, I immediately say that I do not agree with all his actions, but I see the fact that he is trying to return the glory and greatness to my country.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 21 May 2014 21: 17
        +1
        Quote: g1v2
        BECAUSE YOU ALL HAD THIS

        I accept, by the way, at my own expense too ... Question: and in what specific way specifically I specifically ALL prosral?
        Answer. Prosrali top. And there was WHAT. In this regard, the question is: WHAT did you do, g1v2, specifically for the country, to be as talented as we (in your words, it’s EVERYBODY EVERYBODY ...) that you have done? Report it. I could appreciate the full depth and conceptuality of your achievements - yes .
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 21 May 2014 22: 23
          +2
          I was still in school at that time, but even then I understood what they were leading to. Humpbacked and ebn did what they did because they were all supported. I perfectly remember the crowds in St. Petersburg and Moscow on the streets that shouted publicity, perestroika, down with the KGB, down with the Communist Party, down with the army, the United States, our best friend, we must share the USSR, cheers Yeltsin and so on. I even remember many people who shouted it, and now they say that it was not. When I said that privatization is, to put it mildly, a hoax, they told me that I didn’t understand anything and that everyone would get the Volga. When there were Bialowieza agreements, everyone around was happy and said that there would be a new union treaty and that it was just necessary to end the old treaty. I remember the crowds in St. Petersburg and Moscow in 1991, who were glad that the GKChP was covered, I remember how any Yankees fell at their feet. These were all the guys and no one except perhaps the riot police in Vilnius did not oppose the collapse of the country. There were no rallies for the preservation of the USSR or riots. Everyone thought that here comes paradise, and everything has become worse at times. I can row everyone under one comb, but tell me a pensioner did you go out to rallies for the USSR or did you protest somehow? The authorities do only what we ourselves allow them and the fact that everyone was simply deceived does not cancel this in any way. As I said, I was shkololo then, but I remember everything perfectly. By the way, the Communists also voted for the Bialowieza agreements and it’s very funny for me to listen when they deny it.
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 21 May 2014 21: 17
        0
        Quote: g1v2
        BECAUSE YOU ALL HAD THIS

        I accept, by the way, at my own expense too ... Question: and in what specific way specifically I specifically ALL prosral?
        Answer. Caved the top. And there was WHAT. In this regard, the question is: WHAT did you do, g1v2 for the country, so that as talented as we (in your words, it’s EVERYBODY EVERYBODY ...) that you have done that? Report it. I could appreciate the full depth and conceptuality of your achievements - yes .
    2. _my opinion
      _my opinion 21 May 2014 19: 33
      +2
      I agree that in the USSR there were pluses and there were a lot of them, but where is Putin?
      And yet - you just painted paradise, that's just that the USSR had its drawbacks - for example, drop dead shortages, queues for everything and everything ...
      I’m not saying that what you described was absent, but it was all and it was very wonderful, but you present only one side of the coin, pluses and completely ignore the minuses ...
      And they stole, by the way, and it was not sick in the USSR, remember the results of Gdlyan’s work — how many then, full-blown millions of rubles were confiscated from the bureaucrats of that time?
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 21 May 2014 22: 24
      +1
      Quote: IOwTZ
      And all this was without Putin and breathed easier.

      Well written! good hi
      I recently received a second degree. He graduated from the magistracy. Only in the box office of the academy he rolled away 137 of thousands, not counting the fees for the hostel, for travel, food, etc. And this is for two and a half years! Not everyone in our country has such an opportunity. In a normal country, education should be absolutely free, at least the second, even the tenth.
  • X Y Z
    X Y Z 21 May 2014 19: 08
    +3
    You tell these tales to children! I don’t argue in the USSR, a lot was great, but not all how you draw. A ticket to the trade union committee anywhere is fantastic! There were no vouchers chronically and you could really expect a good voucher for years, like a car and a good refrigerator. You could freely buy a ticket exclusively to the private sector. Education - yes, but about the apartment you somehow incredibly described. It was possible to wait for an apartment until gray hair, depending on merit, cronyism and penetration. It is not necessary to present the whole past in raspberry syrup - much was wonderful, but much was not very. Especially felt in times of late stagnation was some kind of hopelessness, lack of prospects, the impossibility of self-realization.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 21 May 2014 19: 51
      +2
      ... One could wait for the apartment until gray hair, depending on merit, cronyism and penetrative ability ...

      In different ways, 10-15-20 years, BUT! The apartment was provided !!! And without blat ... Not all, of course, as IOwTZ described in pink (5) RU Today, 17:41, but it would not hurt to transfer the SOCIAL CODE ...
  • _my opinion
    _my opinion 21 May 2014 19: 15
    0
    Well how usually it happens in such cases, the shouts of "Putin all went through" intensified, which has been observed many times. how usually it happens, the screams subsided when the situation cleared up ...
  • starik80
    starik80 21 May 2014 19: 17
    0
    The issue has been resolved. Close topic wink