Kiev may stop supporting "Satan"

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According to the "RT in Russian"With reference to The Daily Beast, one of the American congressmen proposed a symmetrical response to Russia's statement about stopping the supply of rocket engines to the United States. In his opinion, it is necessary to begin negotiations with the Ukrainian authorities on blocking cooperation with the Ukrainian design bureau Yuzhnoye, which helps in serving the Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles RS-20 Satan.

Republican Mike Rogers, who heads the subcommittee of the armed forces in the US House of Representatives, is going to make appropriate amendments to the annual draft budget of the Pentagon.

According to Ukrainian analysts, only 40 missiles from 600, which are in service with the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation, are produced in Russia.

“This is a solid benefit for the Ukrainian enterprise, and it basically exists on the money that Russia pays for providing warranty supervision of the Voyevoda missile system. Economic ties are valuable, whoever comes to power in Ukraine. And I do not foresee that this intergovernmental agreement will be denounced, ”said Victor Yesin, the former chief of the General Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces in February.

However, as Rogers notes, it is necessary to begin negotiations on ending the activities of the Yuzhnoye design office and any other Ukrainian organizations that support the military or military-industrial base of the Russian Federation, while Russia violates its obligations under the Budapest Memorandum by illegally occupying Ukrainian territory and supporting groups that incite violence and incite movement for secession from Ukraine. ”

According to Esin, if cooperation between Russia and Ukraine is discontinued, the operation of the RS-20 missiles will “cause difficulties”, since the technical specifications and detailed plans are in the Ukrainian design bureau.

If the Rogers amendments are approved, then Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel will be given 30 days to report to Congress on "US plans to end Ukrainian cooperation with Russia on intercontinental ballistic missiles", as well as "recommendations on how the United States and its allies can benefit from the capabilities of the design bureau Yuzhnoye, notes The Daily Beast.
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  1. +57
    21 May 2014

    If Rogers' amendments are approved, then Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel will be given 30 days to submit to Congress a report on "US plans to end Ukrainian cooperation with Russia

    I’m figing from this square laughing It is necessary to conduct negotiations on gas and its payment directly with the United States, and not intermediaries from Ukraine.
    1. +18
      21 May 2014
      Remark: negotiations on the purchase of Ukrainian fat should also be decided with mattresses laughing
      1. +22
        21 May 2014
        The state of Ukraine is direct ... they don’t even ask the Kiev junta .. Damn it! angry
        1. +6
          21 May 2014
          It is easy to impose sanctions at the expense of ukrov! And then completely cover the "Yuzhnoye"! For lack of demand for products. Yankee! You better look back at your garden! Your "cabbage" soon caterpillars - and even then they will not eat !!! wink hi
          1. +15
            21 May 2014
            Quote: sscha
            And then completely cover the "Yuzhnoye"! For lack of demand for products


            Shouldn't the Russian government be offered to transport "Yuzhnoye" in full force to Russia ..., to one of the science cities, in order to give this word real content? It is necessary to buy up intelligence all over the world - it always pays off ... to give people stable jobs, housing, guarantees and insurance ... This is differently more useful and more real than the mythical Rusnano and Skolkovo ...
            1. +3
              21 May 2014
              I even know where. To Crimea. There and work there and relax on the beaches.
            2. 0
              21 May 2014
              Quote: vadimN
              Shouldn't the Russian government be offered to transport the entire Yuzhnoye to Russia.

              It seems that everyone who is really needed from the design bureau received such proposals, and the necessary documentation, probably for so many years of operation.
              And the fact that it is beneficial for Americans to steal this enterprise is truth that does not require proof.
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        3. 0
          21 May 2014
          Quote: MIKHAN
          The Kiev junta is not even asked ..

          Well, first of all, why and then, who is there to ask request
      2. +9
        21 May 2014
        If this stupidity passes, the Kharkov region will join Russia very quickly. You just need to spread the news faster
        1. +4
          21 May 2014
          will join.
          no other way.
          missiles need to be serviced.
        2. +5
          21 May 2014
          Quote: Aleksandr

          If this stupidity passes, the Kharkov region will join Russia very quickly. You just need to spread the news faster


          KB "Yuzhnoye" is the Dnepropetrovsk region, Pavlograd, 40 km from Dnepropetrovsk towards Donetsk. (Estate of Beni Kolomoisky). It will be difficult to solve something here without solving the question about Bene.
          So everything is much more complicated ... hi
          1. +3
            21 May 2014
            It will be difficult to solve something here without resolving the issue of Ben.

            But Benny didn’t go too far? Look at his last tricks. But it can end up like a beat. Suicide with three headshots.
            1. 0
              21 May 2014
              and then five times in my heart just in case)
            2. 0
              21 May 2014
              Quote: Wedmak
              Suicide with three headshots.
              not true - suicide with 3 shots at s.r.a.s.k. for Beni’s brain is there: a Jew who financed anti-Semites survived.
          2. +1
            21 May 2014
            Quote: TampaRU
            It will be difficult to solve something here without resolving the issue of Ben.

            Well, with Beni you can always agree on a lot of options from money to sending to other dimensions.
            1. 0
              21 May 2014
              And you are a diplomat. smile
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            3. +1
              21 May 2014
              Quote: Irokez

              Quote: TampaRU
              It will be difficult to solve something here without resolving the issue of Ben.

              Well, with Beni you can always agree on a lot of options from money to sending to other dimensions.


              Benny has a lot of money and he will not take it. Too smart. When a person has a lot of money, he needs a new "adrenaline", so to speak, "a new motivator for his existence." At the moment it is power. Now he has it to the fullest, but he wants even more. Therefore, there is only one conclusion ... "sartier" ..

              PS They say that he is now in Odessa-mom. Flushed away so as not to fill up.
          3. +1
            21 May 2014
            Quote: TampaRU
            KB "Yuzhnoye" is the Dnepropetrovsk region, Pavlograd, 40 km from Dnepropetrovsk towards Donetsk. (Estate of Beni Kolomoisky). It will be difficult to solve something here without solving the question about Bene.


            Second connoisseur. KB "Yuzhnoye" is located in Dnepropetrovsk itself. Through the fence - the Yuzhny Machine-Building Plant, which supposedly produces (produced) the DMZ tractor, but in reality - the technical part of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, which produces prototypes. Get there by tram # 15. Ending station.
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            2. 0
              21 May 2014
              Quote: Eragon


              Second connoisseur. KB "Yuzhnoye" is located in Dnepropetrovsk itself. Through the fence - the Yuzhny Machine-Building Plant, which supposedly produces (produced) the DMZ tractor, but in reality - the technical part of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, which produces prototypes. Get there by tram # 15. Ending station.


              Prototypes ... Serial production and, for sure, all the specialists who service the released "products" are located in Pavlograd.
          4. 0
            21 May 2014
            Quote: TampaRU
            KB "Yuzhnoe" is the Dnepropetrovsk region, Pavlograd, 40 km from Dnepropetrovsk towards Donetsk. (Fiefdom of Beni Kolomoisky). It will be difficult to solve something here without solving the question about Bene. So it's much more complicated ...

            Benny dumped in Odessa, so Dnepropetrovsk is now not quite his estate.
      3. +1
        21 May 2014
        Kiev may stop supporting "Satan"
        -
        Satan is urgently looking for new sponsors ....
      4. 0
        21 May 2014
        There are no fats for export laughing 60% in the Ugric region themselves are buying. were homedoned.
    2. +26
      21 May 2014
      Comments on the Ukrainian site for this news:
      "- Russia will have to send all its" Voevods "left without service under its own power to the US. Is this what the Americans are trying to achieve?
      - I remembered from the instructions to the "Fly": "... it is not provided to return the launch device from the combat position to the stowed position. The rules prescribe simply to fire the cocked, but not used RPG-18 towards the enemy."))) "
      1. +3
        21 May 2014
        Yes, about the "Flies" killed ... If you do the same with the Voivods ... Even if you remove the nuclear filling, they say, hold on, do not choke. Will they be able to knock down the blanks?
        1. +5
          21 May 2014
          Quote: Wedmak
          Yes, about the "Flies" killed ... If you do the same with the Voivods ... Even if you remove the nuclear filling, they say, hold on, do not choke. Will they be able to knock down the blanks?


          If to start up, then not with pigs. The howl will still rise, so at least it will be less.
          1. +3
            21 May 2014
            I have not dug up the bunker yet, and there is no food supply. Somehow I’m not hunting yet to feel the Fallout in real life.
            1. 0
              21 May 2014
              Quote: Wedmak
              I have not dug up the bunker yet, and there is no food supply. Somehow I’m not hunting yet to feel the Fallout in real life.


              "And the living will envy the dead." - Do you need it? wink
              1. +3
                21 May 2014
                I do not know, did not compare. smile But we, in Astrakhan, have nothing to spend on us a whole warhead. So there is a chance to survive. How long ... the fish should not suffer, the Volga peals too.
                No, you probably need to urgently buy a bow or crossbow (so that it is not spent on cartridges) and go learning to hunt with them. wink
                1. +3
                  21 May 2014
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  How long ... the fish should not suffer, the Volga peals too.

                  Here from this fish and it is necessary to hide in bunkers ... laughing
                  after the atomic winter, the atomic spring came.
                  animals arrived.
                  the birds came running.
                  the first hair climbed out of the ground ...
                  http://bash.im/index?text=%EF%F0%E8%EB%E5%F2%E5%EB%E8+%E7%E2%E5%F0%E8
            2. 0
              21 May 2014
              Quote: Wedmak
              I haven’t dug up the bunker yet,

              I have an excellent collector for you, light, hot and cold water, a sunroof, almost like in your car laughing Negotiable price, hurry the offer is limited winked
      2. +2
        21 May 2014
        Quote: SibRUS
        Comments on the Ukrainian site for this news:
        "- Russia will have to send all its" Voevods "left without service under its own power to the US. Is this what the Americans are trying to achieve?
        - I remembered from the instructions to the "Fly": "... it is not provided to return the launch device from the combat position to the stowed position. The rules prescribe simply to fire the cocked, but not used RPG-18 towards the enemy."))) "

        Bravo, zema !!! 100 +++ !!!
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    4. +3
      21 May 2014
      If you want to get blue fuel, then let them build crematoriums and burn their blue ones
    5. AIR
      AIR
      +1
      21 May 2014
      I completely agree with you ... this gasket is not needed for negotiations
    6. +2
      21 May 2014
      If the amendments are approved in the United States, then the troops introduced will be approved by us. And these enterprises will be purely nashensky !!! We got along with Crimea and Sevastopol and here you jump!
  2. +2
    21 May 2014
    Let's hope that the Kharkov region and Kharkov will already be part of the Russian Federation. And the sanctions will again "roll" to nothing.
  3. +24
    21 May 2014
    you just need to drag all the necessary specialists with the documentation to the Yuzhny Design Bureau to Russia and that's it ... if the truth hasn't been dragged
    1. +10
      21 May 2014
      Yeah, along with the factory and the surrounding area.
      1. +3
        21 May 2014
        Quote: jayich
        Yeah, along with the factory and the surrounding area.

        Crimeans did, however ... what
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    3. +1
      21 May 2014
      Yes, everything’s already going to that ... It’s still the new authorities who haven’t thought up the design bureau for themselves, otherwise they can simply stop the work of the design bureau from a small mind. To the detriment of Russia, they believe.
      PS
      I hope they do not read this.
    4. +1
      21 May 2014
      kostyan77708
      you just need to drag all the necessary specialists with the documentation to the Yuzhny Design Bureau to Russia and that's it ... if the truth hasn't been dragged

      And what can not be withdrawn ... "Bukh"! hi
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    6. +1
      21 May 2014
      Yes, I think the documentation is already there, there was an article here on this topic, they said that there would be difficulties, but they would not be able to do it critically. And Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, maybe for the sake of the Americans and will not?
    7. +1
      21 May 2014
      Nobody "dragged" them, they themselves have already "partially" moved and are working in Russia.
    8. Evgeniy1
      0
      21 May 2014
      kostyan77708


      ".. you just have to drag all the necessary specialists with documentation to Russia from the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau and that's it ... if the truth hasn't been dragged ... 2
      CORRECTLY, leave the buildings and structures in them trade and store potatoes.
    9. Evgeniy1
      0
      21 May 2014
      kostyan77708


      ".. you just have to drag all the necessary specialists with documentation to Russia from the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau and that's it ... if the truth hasn't been dragged ... 2
      CORRECTLY, leave the buildings and structures in them trade and store potatoes.
    10. 0
      21 May 2014
      reasonable proposal, let's hope that we have already dragged ...
  4. +12
    21 May 2014
    All engineers involved in "Voevoda" should be urgently equipped in Russia.
    1. chastener
      +1
      21 May 2014
      I think they’ve been here a long time. hi
    2. +2
      21 May 2014
      Quote: Petr Timofeev
      All engineers involved in "Voevoda" should be urgently equipped in Russia.

      I agree. I do not mind. Start arranging people. I hope for a speedy result 21.05.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      1. +3
        21 May 2014
        .... Yes, this is the Yuzhnoye design bureau .... They scared the naked hedgehog ... At one time, the IL-76 was produced at the Tashkent aircraft plant, and now production at Aviastar has been set up .... I think. , then "Satan" will be serviced and produced at the enterprises of the Russian Federation ... Moreover, the lion's share of components for "Satan" are produced in the Russian Federation ...
        1. avt
          +1
          21 May 2014
          Quote: aleks 62
          ..Yes, this is the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau .... They scared the naked hedgehog ... At one time, the IL-76 was produced at the Tashkent aircraft plant, and now production at Aviastar has been set up ....

          That's right. Because of this, Chinese and Jordanian orders were thwarted, and production was transferred, and the plant in Uzbekistan was covered with a copper basin, like Korean cars were going to be assembled there.
          Quote: aleks 62
          ..I think. If necessary, then "Satan" will be served and produced at the enterprises of the Russian Federation ...
          They do not produce any more, they serve with us, "Yuzhmash" seems to be like the designer's supervision and gives a guarantee for the prolongation of operation, well, it helps to carry out commercial launches for those who are removed from duty. Perhaps some of the components they do. Yes, also "Zenith" and ,, Sea launch "for which Korolev took the leadership in the ass, and Khimki on" Lavochkin "is on its way, but that's another story. In the presence of a lightweight version of 7ki and "Angara" from the absence of "Zenith" it is neither hot nor cold. But the Kazakhs are sad - they at Zenit thought to enter the club of space powers. A sad fate awaits Yuzhmash - they will finish off, the given US application is about this. But let Dnepropetrovsk residents have a headache.
  5. +15
    21 May 2014
    I look at the United States already in their own kitchen dispose of Ukrainian enterprises.
    1. +1
      21 May 2014
      Quote: MOISEY
      I look at the United States already in their own kitchen dispose of Ukrainian enterprises.


      So after all, everyone saw that Biden is the Ukrainian president.
      And the fact that they will choose will simply fulfill the duties of the president in the absence of Biden.
  6. +8
    21 May 2014
    Well, there are two options then ... Either urgently separate the South-East together with enterprises and design bureaus, or launch all of these missiles. Away. Until the warranty has expired.
  7. UFO
    +6
    21 May 2014
    So it is necessary to send "Satan" to the "parents" on their own. Yes
    Until it crumbled with us. laughing
  8. +2
    21 May 2014
    So it is necessary to remove the necessary enterprises from the jurisdiction of Ukraine / USA. If not everything is stolen there.
  9. +8
    21 May 2014
    Hmm ... And this country still proudly calls itself "nezalezhnoy". In fact, it says here that the United States will stop cooperation between Ukraine and Russia, and not vice versa. Well, that comrades are Ukrainians, for which they fought, and ran into it. You were so eager for West, get it and sign. As they do not understand that the design bureau will most likely cease to exist without this, at such a rate the remnants of the Ukrainian industry will finally disappear into oblivion.
    1. Aleksandr65
      0
      21 May 2014
      A familiar engineer from the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau, an ardent Ukrainian, was visiting. Travels to Russia to service missiles. According to him, out of 120 workers, 000 remain. Everything is rapidly stopping and further, there are huge cities of workshops, empty and ruined.
      1. 0
        22 May 2014
        Everything is so bad, but now when they finally become American vassals, everything will fall apart at the end.
  10. 0
    21 May 2014
    recommendations on how the United States and its allies can benefit from the capabilities of the South Design Bureau

    But is this senator not afraid that the secret of these missiles will fly to America soon? Under its own power laughing
  11. +1
    21 May 2014
    In his opinion, it is necessary to begin negotiations with the Ukrainian authorities on blocking cooperation with Russia of the Ukrainian design bureau Yuzhnoye, which helps in servicing the Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles RS-20 Satan

    How the United States loves to impose sanctions with the wrong hands ... And how much they love to be positive, they don’t care that rocket science in Ukraine will be bent, because having stopped supporting the Voivode, Ukraine may also receive its sanctions from Russia. And of course, the tidbit is to destroy the Governor.
  12. JoylyRoger
    +2
    21 May 2014
    for sure, seeing an increasingly secure environment, they’ve already come up with something to replace or create their own technology
    1. +4
      21 May 2014
      A new heavy rocket is already under development. But even if they do not worry, the destruction of the Yuzhnoye design bureau will not destroy the missiles themselves. Such things from another state are not controlled. Even with documentation (which I believe has been in the US for a long time).
      1. 0
        21 May 2014
        A new heavy rocket is already under development.

        What a news! Can you be more specific?
        1. +6
          21 May 2014
          Can! I suggest you come with documents and personal belongings to the building at:
          Moscow, Bolshaya Lubyanka St., house 1 / 3.
          You are already waiting. hi
        2. +2
          21 May 2014
          What a news! Can you be more specific?

          So the news is probably half a year. wink
          Actually this is where the news ends. They also announced the development of a new BZHRK. With the same details.
  13. +8
    21 May 2014
    Probably about negotiations, any, you need to forget. All Americans will try to solve through the knee. And we need to quit garbage and start thinking about Russia, i.e. see ALL Western partners. ALL. and Ukrainian in the first place. shut off the gas valve now. demand payment of all debts, ALL !!! And only then can the gas supply be resumed, although ... but we ourselves do not need gas and oil ??? It may be enough parasites to sell it all, our descendants will have nothing left. And developing and Restoring its (OWN !!!) industry, producing its cars, planes, machine tools and everything else. And the most important thing is to return the concept of durable goods, and not as one thing is now conspicuous, throw away the phone in a year, change the car in three, TVs, generally I am silent about the life of the matrix of 6-8 thousand hours like an electric bulb. And to all who are against showing live the test of something heavy at some kind of nuclear test site, let them think. And, yes, I forgot, the terrorists, pid *** sy ... and other scum, return the execution, I think people will support.
    1. +6
      21 May 2014
      In fact, a long-term development program for Russia. I fully support.
  14. fima
    +2
    21 May 2014
    if they do this, then who the Americans will feed the workers too. this is another region that wants independence from the outskirts.
    1. +2
      21 May 2014
      And this is the essence of Eurointegration, which Amer specialists want so much. Take Ukraine to the EU, NATO. To break all its ties with the Russian Federation - millions of unemployed, millions of hungry people, and here, like the light in the window, a loan from the IMF, which, paradoxically, will only aggravate the economic crisis in the country. And then the Yankees have freedom of action, if you want to put tomahawks near Kharkov - please, you want to transfer the 6th US fleet to the Black Sea - no problem. But Iran doesn’t want to attack Poland what
  15. +1
    21 May 2014
    And we have that, in addition to Satan, they have nothing else, or they have the next argument in sanctions, while other sanctions did not give any results. After the imposition of sanctions on Satan, the Yuzhny design bureau must close everything, put its teeth on the shelf and go in transitions ask for alms.
    1. +2
      21 May 2014
      And we have that besides Satan there is nothing more

      Such missiles as "Satan", although more correctly "Voevoda", no longer exist. Poplar and Yars on its background look like SVD against the background of ASVK. And the Yankees have been chasing the secret of this rocket for a long time. It is impossible to allow leakage of the Voevoda's performance characteristics to the West. The time will come - we will send them to Zapal ourselves.
      1. +4
        21 May 2014
        Such missiles as "Satan", although more correctly "Voevoda", no longer exist.

        It will be soon.
        Poplar and Yars against its background look like SVD against the background of ASVK.

        You exaggerated it.
        And the Yankees have long been chasing the secret of this rocket. We must not allow the leakage of performance characteristics of the Voivode to the West.

        Yes, everything has already been sold to us.
        1. +1
          21 May 2014
          Send special forces, take out documentation and people to the territory of Russia.
          1. +1
            21 May 2014
            Quote: Cormorants

            Send special forces, take out documentation and people to the territory of Russia.

            In principle, you can. From Donetsk to Pavlograd about 140 km (the location of the Yuzhnoye design bureau). There are a lot of secondary roads. There are even roads from Slavyansk and Kramatorsk (about 200 km). The question is, how many vehicles do you need to export documents? And the Yuzhmash plant is a whole city, both on the surface and underground .... It's not that simple ...
  16. +2
    21 May 2014
    There is already a threat to Russia's national security. It’s time to transfer the entire design bureau to the territory of Russia. or transfer the territory of Russia to the design bureau.
    And it is striking that all the documentation is still in this unpredictable dill. (or not already?)
  17. +1
    21 May 2014
    Well, the need will force or release troops in key Ukrainian cities or wait a long time until the stupidity and hopes of the Ukrainian people for geyropa are exhausted.
  18. +3
    21 May 2014
    That is, the decision on cooperation between Ukraine and Russia will be made by the US Secretary of Defense? Well, everything is clear in Russia - Mordor, totalitarianism, Putin, Stalin and imperial identity. But in the freest country in the world ?! The light of democracy and freedom in the world decides that can easily control the foreign policy of another state? And absolutely without hiding about it declares. Hey, Ukrainians - this is freedom, this is independence! Where to us, in barbarian Russia ...
  19. +2
    21 May 2014
    But interesting!
    Considering the interests of national security, the secrecy of the available documentation and prototypes, and so on .... Russia, can introduce "Polite people" into the territory of this design bureau?
  20. Andersen68
    +1
    21 May 2014
    Yes, our people have already taken something to this "counteraction". Behind the scenes. Not really fools in the Kremlin.
  21. 0
    21 May 2014
    It was hard to imagine that Ukraine would immediately slide down to the level of a banana republic, hence the problems, the solution, I think, has already been made, military secret ...
  22. 0
    21 May 2014
    We'll have to send "Voevoda" for service on their own to the one who offered it ... Let them serve themselves! laughing
  23. +1
    21 May 2014
    I kind of have two questions ... First, what will the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau itself do without contracts from Russia? The second question is that the RS-20 "Satan" rocket is, in principle, morally outdated, and the question of replacing it has long been raised ... So maybe it's time to start replacing missiles of this type?
    1. +1
      21 May 2014
      So maybe it's time to start replacing missiles of this type?

      Already started designing.
  24. yulka2980
    +1
    21 May 2014
    I hope Putin has foreseen this. It is necessary for their engineers to offer housing, a good salary, and when the right people are already in the territory of the Russian Federation to blow up this factory to hell with their grandmother! am
  25. Alex_sw4
    +1
    21 May 2014
    From now on, when we write about Ukraine, we should call it: USA, state of Ukraine.
  26. ks
    ks
    0
    21 May 2014
    Dill only with Russia is independent, and with a mattress
  27. sergej591910
    0
    21 May 2014
    Yeah ... "The headless horseman is not so terrible, it's scary when he is at the head of the squadron!" (M. Reed, from unpublished)
  28. +2
    21 May 2014
    Help the militia with weapons, equipment, specialists, and after a while, a referendum will be held in Dnepropetrovsk. Then the questions about "Satan" will be removed ...
    It is time already, to begin to provide visible support to the republics. Seeing real support, the people will become more active, and now people have a feeling that they were left alone, alone with the junta.
  29. +5
    21 May 2014
    Colleagues! Himself not a specialist in Strategic Missile Forces. But even on our forum, gurus on this topic wrote that there are no problems without Ukraine with the Voevoda service. Everything you need is in warehouses with a margin of up to 2026+ technical documentation and service professionals too. Just in the service book. laughing there will be no kb South stamp.
  30. buser
    0
    21 May 2014
    Kiev finally became a trained dog of the White House ...
  31. StepanovTDSM
    +1
    21 May 2014
    The budget of Ukraine is already empty, the Yankees will replenish it yes? Let all contracts with Russia be canceled. What will the Ukrainian people feed. The more such attacks, the closer the end of Ukraine as a separate state.
    1. +1
      21 May 2014
      the closer the end of Ukraine as a separate state.

      Ukraine as a state no longer exists. All that remains is dolls and a cardboard house.
  32. +1
    21 May 2014
    They (USA) do not yet indicate how to breathe in Ukraine and how many times? Very strange. puppets themselves can’t do anything
  33. 0
    21 May 2014
    Everything needs to be done at home, then there will be no problems.
  34. +2
    21 May 2014
    It seems to me that a similar scenario has been worked out for a long time during the stay of GDP in power, and I think that everything is not as scary as it is imagined in a large puddle.
  35. 0
    21 May 2014
    Yes, take all the specialists from this design bureau to Russia, let them live and serve here!
  36. +2
    21 May 2014
    So the saloons were played out, the mattresses decide for them. Independent, damn it, that is, nothing depends on them
  37. 0
    21 May 2014
    I am sure that the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau has not had any valuable and secret documents younger than 23 years old for a long time.
    Specialists needed by Russia can easily be invited to Russia for permanent residence, leaving Bandera empty shops.
    1. 0
      21 May 2014
      But they did not remake the rocket for sea launch? The rumble was called in my opinion.
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  38. +1
    21 May 2014
    51 state Ukraine.

    Damn, and that's not good, that's all. Son Biden set. Ukrainian enterprises are not related to gas and coal, etc., the riches of the earth, they do not dig into it. Americans never leave anything besides wells and dead cities!

    They simply devastate the earth, leave a bunch of slaves in the country and pump the bowels! All! That is the whole goal. There is no desire on their part to create anything!
    1. 0
      21 May 2014
      Colonial Anglo-Saxon politics, however.
      http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/679927/post269697932/
      Margaret Thatcher, speaking publicly 10 years ago and specifying US policy towards Russia, dropped a cryptic phrase:

      «according to the international community, it is economically feasible to leave 15 million people living in Russia».
  39. 0
    21 May 2014
    Well, send them to Washington. Let there "serve" wassat
  40. +1
    21 May 2014
    Well, if the Yuzhnoye design bureau stops servicing, then it’s time to send the RS-20 self-propelled gun to test the Satan's performance. wassat
  41. +1
    21 May 2014
    Well, what about "support" is predictable. Ukrainian specialists will not be left without work. They will move to Russia for permanent residence. Putin has already allocated money for this and for new defense enterprises. Enough "sculpting" on old equipment and old technologies.
    1. 0
      21 May 2014
      and detail?
  42. Palych9999
    0
    21 May 2014
    The petty trash of our "responsible persons" is striking: having in service the most effective missile system "Satan", for 20 years they were "picking their nose" instead of stealing, copying, buying documentation and (or) specialists for this missile ...
    Deputy prime ministers have annual "income" of up to 250.000.000 rubles, and there were no 5.000.000 for 20-30 specialists from "Yuzhny" in the treasury.
    1. 0
      21 May 2014
      Yes, I doubt something that we do not have documentation on the Voivode. Somehow they serve her. But still, these missiles are no longer being produced. They are changed to Yars mine as they are launched.
  43. potap48a
    0
    21 May 2014
    everything has long been exported to us. do not worry
  44. +1
    21 May 2014
    You think the Americans are right ... right ... why Ukraine needs high-tech specialties ... why Ukraine needs money at all ... they’re savages ... for what savages are rockets.
    The maximum that they are allowed, savages, Kyle to mine coal and change his gum.
  45. +2
    21 May 2014
    I don’t understand what kind of technical support we are talking about ????? In all MISSILE military units, there are special units capable of independently solving any tasks related to routine maintenance and missile maintenance. Moreover, all documentation in these parts is available. It can be assumed that the likely enemy has this documentation. Already a lot of merchants divorced from the defense industry
    1. 0
      21 May 2014
      Most likely this is a diagnosis and extension of service life.
  46. 0
    21 May 2014
    on "US plans to end Ukrainian cooperation with Russia on intercontinental ballistic missiles"

    That's the whole independence for the last 23 years. As it was a colony, it remains. What is the acute phase of civil war for? Usurpation (illegal seizure of power) and redistribution of property? State raider seizure of property? Or just want to tickle the RF under the abdomen?
  47. 0
    21 May 2014
    The news is not good if those documentation goes to the USA.
    But not such times experienced :)
    1. +3
      21 May 2014
      Knowing ukrov, we can say with more confidence that she is already there ... angry
  48. 0
    21 May 2014
    What for? as far as I know, Satan was sent to scrap with a drunk under the reduction of strategic nuclear forces?
    1. 0
      21 May 2014
      Not all. The voivode is still on duty. But rockets are less and less.
  49. +2
    21 May 2014
    Auuu, the great and independent Ukropovskie Svidomity. Descendants of proud Cossacks and Bander with Shukhevych. What else but parents did not sell? Or are they already the same? am
  50. Aton
    0
    21 May 2014
    Satan still in service ?? I just don't know at all. For the first time I heard about Satan in the program "Cosmos. 9 minutes to heaven". And then it somehow flew out of my head. And then there you are)
  51. 0
    21 May 2014
    Quote: Wiruz
    Such missiles as "Satan", although more correctly "Voevoda", no longer exist. Poplar and Yars on its background look like SVD against the background of ASVK. And the Yankees have been chasing the secret of this rocket for a long time. It is impossible to allow leakage of the Voevoda's performance characteristics to the West. The time will come - we will send them to Zapal ourselves.

    Correct me: now the only more or less relevant technology from Voevoda is the warhead deployment unit. And even then, relatively, it is relevant only for China, Iran, and North Korea.

    Everything else available in the world is already better. What to sell?
  52. 0
    21 May 2014
    Satan is slowly being removed from our arsenal and replaced with more modern missiles.
  53. dmitrij.blyuz
    0
    21 May 2014
    Regarding this, a question for the guys from Aleysk - Sdyuzhim?
  54. tokin1959
    0
    21 May 2014
    You need to take Kharkov.
    national security issue.
    In such a situation, the mattresses would have been thrown there long ago.
  55. -1
    21 May 2014
    Why are you so obsessed with the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau and Yuzhmash? After all, they’ve been saying for a long time that you’re not interested in it. You produce everything yourself; the percentage of cooperation has been reduced to a minimum by the Russian Federation every year.
    In connection with which the question is - why is it in the Russian Federation? Fear of losing documentation? Well there was an article...
    KB itself is more focused on finding partners and cooperates with anyone (Brazil, USA, Russia) to work. But the Russian Federation’s share is declining. The Russian Federation itself stops cooperation (anti-aircraft program, sea launch) - which means that the Russian Federation is not on fire, it is design bureau and Yuzhmash. Therefore, there is no need to grieve.
    In my opinion, the most “needed” plant in Ukraine for the Russian Federation is Zorya Mashproekt.
    Although the Russian border is “approaching” Dnepropetrovsk at some rapid pace... winked
  56. 0
    21 May 2014
    This further confirms that weapons for your army must be produced entirely yourself. Friendship is friendship, but technology and production are separate.
    And the Americans need to turn off the valve to Afghanistan. Let them supply and withdraw their troops in another way.
  57. 0
    21 May 2014
    Quote: vadimN
    Quote: sscha
    And then completely cover the "Yuzhnoye"! For lack of demand for products


    Shouldn't the Russian government be offered to transport "Yuzhnoye" in full force to Russia ..., to one of the science cities, in order to give this word real content? It is necessary to buy up intelligence all over the world - it always pays off ... to give people stable jobs, housing, guarantees and insurance ... This is differently more useful and more real than the mythical Rusnano and Skolkovo ...

    Very very healthy!
  58. 0
    21 May 2014
    By all means, we don’t have anything for such statements. And “Stana” is already becoming outdated. And the amers will have to figure out the documentation for a long time; they don’t know how to work with a file.
  59. 0
    21 May 2014
    After 6 years, the Voivode will be replaced by Sarmat.
  60. Platov
    0
    21 May 2014
    Open a Yuzhnoye design bureau somewhere in Russia and invite whole departments of specialists from the outskirts to work. And we should have stopped being friends with the Outskirts families a long time ago.
    1. 0
      22 May 2014
      Quote: PLATOV
      And families should stop being friends with Ukraine a long time ago.

      mm interesting, how are you going to separate married people, relatives?
      Divorces for political reasons? Something new...I’m divorcing my wife because she’s Russian/my husband because he’s Ukrainian?
      It’s funny... akin to refusing Russian/Ukrainian products, I don’t want to, I won’t feel
      In general, it’s interesting in families that the wife also doesn’t give money for political reasons? Or vice versa?
      Nothing will happen to the Yuzhny Design Bureau, it is still working, working under a contract. Business is business. There is simply an opinion that the “aggressor” (according to the Russian media) needs to “cut off” everything (engines, turbines, generators, etc. that are produced in Ukraine)
      I think this is more of a talking shop...in business, refusals are contract failures...breakdowns are loot...and evil loves loot very much...and Loot defeats evil...
      Officially, the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau is carrying out work - and there is no rush to stop it. There were no decrees from Kyiv on bans either.
      Reminds us of the ban on Red October products - invoices of which are still being unloaded and unloaded to this day...
      In general, the comments about the liquidation of the KB are annoying - there are actually people there, are you going to bomb them? Because they are already trying to build (plans) with Brazil, even work with the devil just to survive...
  61. 0
    21 May 2014
    “technical characteristics and detailed plans are in the Ukrainian design bureau” - well, yes, but our operators, of course, do not have a single diagram and do not know the characteristics.
    bullshit.
  62. Russian soldier
    0
    21 May 2014
    "Wiruz
    A new heavy rocket is already under development.
    What a news! Can you be more specific?"

    Same news to me. Not being developed, but already flying!!!

    Russia tested the Yars ballistic missile
    On April 14 at 10:40 Moscow time from the Plesetsk cosmodrome (located 180 kilometers south of Arkhangelsk), a test launch was carried out from a mobile launcher of the RS-24 Yars intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), equipped with a multiple warhead.
  63. 0
    21 May 2014
    For me this is just great news. Have you ever thought that our strategic missile potential is maintained by people from a country hostile to us? It’s just stupid, they take the families of repairmen hostage and they play a little trick with our missiles. Impossible? And so we are getting rid of Ukraine, and it is not we who have abandoned them, but they who have abandoned us. I think that whoever is needed has been employed with us for a long time, their relatives are safe, everyone has been checked. About the fact that Americans will find out the secrets of Satan, they found out everything back in the 90s.
  64. 0
    21 May 2014
    Some nonsense...

    I am sure that copies of documentation on “Voevoda” have been stored in Moscow for a long time.

    These were the features of R&D and secret developments in the USSR. And in Russia too.

    Another question is specific specialists conducting architectural and technical supervision. Yes, they are in Ukraine.


    Proposal: lure specialists to Russia, give them prospects and salaries.

    The documentation should be liquidated together with the Yuzhnoye SDO. If you have copies of documentation in Moscow.
  65. 0
    22 May 2014
    Well, Benya is no cooler than Berezovsky, and let me remind you that the latter strangled himself with a scarf.
    As the Father of Nations taught, no man, no problem.
    And Russia may label the cancellation of missile maintenance as a threat to national interests and seize these territories by force. Is this the American way? Why is it possible for them, but not for us? The entire democratic public must support.

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