The program PAKFA successfully launched tests of weapons

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Most recently lit up the T-50-4 with 4 pylons, a fact for some reason went unnoticed. Today, just two sides - T-50-3 and T-50-4 - have begun the next stage of the test weapons. Interestingly, according to the available information, the T-50-3 was not supposed to participate in weapon tests.






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  1. +36
    21 May 2014
    But what about the internal suspension and stealth? Explain who is in the subject ...
    Photos are valid!
    1. +7
      21 May 2014
      Quote: klimpopov
      But what about the internal suspension and stealth?


      I wanted to ask the same question
      1. +6
        21 May 2014
        For in my deeply amateurish opinion, the external suspension negates all measures to reduce visibility. I thought the internal suspension is one of the pillars of the so-called "fifth generation" ... I can be wrong naturally ...
        1. +23
          21 May 2014
          Quote: klimpopov
          For in my deeply amateurish opinion, the external suspension negates all measures to reduce visibility. I thought the internal suspension is one of the pillars of the so-called "fifth generation" ...
          That is true, but this statement only works when aviation needs stealth to break through and suppress the enemy’s air defense.
          With weakened anti-aircraft defense, which does not pose a particular threat, the extra suspension of weapons on the planes is only +.
          And apparently the tests are being conducted,IN COMPLEX...
          1. +3
            21 May 2014
            Thank! I get it. By the way, yes, here is the size of those on the suspension ... Apparently this is only for working out the sight ?.
            1. Sergh
              +18
              21 May 2014
              Quote: klimpopov
              Apparently this is only for working out the sight

              Guys, after all, they are testing all the on-board indoor and outdoor equipment !!! What kind of internal suspension are we talking about? Only the first time a rocket was hung up (most likely a model with devices), and you are already sending them to Berlin, well, you give a damn !?
              1. +1
                21 May 2014
                This is not the first time. And the suspended missiles do not look like mock-ups. The coloring is quite combat.
                1. +1
                  21 May 2014
                  No, the coloring is not just combat - these are mass dimensions (they are striped). They are hung for leveling APU, AKU and checking aerodynamics with suspensions.
        2. +4
          21 May 2014
          I want to add a correction to the external suspension does not nullify, but weakens the effect. It’s just that the area of ​​EPR is growing, but the initial shape of the case still gives certain advantages.
          Another thing is that when compared with the F-22, the Pak fa initially has a slightly larger EPR area and will already lose significantly, having lost parity. From this narrow angle, your wording is fair.
          1. 0
            21 May 2014
            Thanks for the reply.
      2. +3
        21 May 2014
        In general, it was originally said that like 10 missiles inside, 8 - outside. But those that are outside are purely a backup option, they say for those weapons that do not fit into the fuselage.
        1. +4
          21 May 2014
          10 missiles ???? inside ??? 8 outside ?????
          Hmm ... Mig - 31 has 4 missiles under its belly and covers 600 km along the front ... while having speed in 3000 on afterburner, individual pilots dispersed to 3x flies ...
          Well, that's me ...
          1. +5
            21 May 2014
            Mig - 31 has 4 missiles under the belly and covers 600 km along the front

            So you look at the size of those missiles. On the T-50, God forbid a couple of these to attach. By the way, there is a (?) MIG-31 variant with 6 missiles.
            1. 0
              21 May 2014
              In my opinion, there are two near radius. I could be wrong ...
              1. Alex 241
                0
                21 May 2014
                Quote: klimpopov
                In my opinion, there are two near radius. I could be wrong ...

                In the photo, the R-40 rocket
            2. +25
              21 May 2014
              Even 8 happens. By the way, the photo is only a month old.
              1. +1
                21 May 2014
                Those that are small (P-60 or P-73) This is a short range, only for self-defense. But the big ones (R-33) ... yesterday I just watched a movie about these MIGs. And there was shown a modification with the 6th R-33. But, something is not visible of this modification in the troops.
          2. +5
            21 May 2014
            Mig-31 heavy ultra-long missiles
            therefore there are 4 of them.
            I even suspect that he is able to drag a missile from a Tu-22M3 (it seems Ha-51)
            Pak Fa simply doesn’t have such large missiles. The nomenclature of weapons is completely different.
      3. +11
        21 May 2014
        Quote: bulvas
        Quote: klimpopov
        But what about the internal suspension and stealth?


        I wanted to ask the same question

        Quote: klimpopov
        But what about the internal suspension and stealth? Explain who is in the subject ...
        Photos are valid!

        On the external sling, the target is transmitted to the missile seeker by the aircraft systems and the missile captures the target (at short distances) without leaving the guides (online), the process is more complicated when placed internally, the target and its dynamic coordinates must be stored in the seeker, and capture occurs after launch . (this requires more complex and precise system settings)

        Therefore, first the systems are refined, the aiming equipment and weapons are corrected, it is easier to do this from external suspensions, and when the systems are adjusted, it will be possible to complicate it (starting from internal compartments).


        The Raptor was the same

    2. 0
      21 May 2014
      Inside another 10 rockets laughing!
      1. 0
        21 May 2014
        This is good, but the question is not the amount of kakbe ....
        1. +2
          21 May 2014
          Quote: klimpopov
          This is good, but the question is not the amount of kakbe ....

          Again - in my humble IMHO - it is more likely a matter of testing on-board weapon control systems, guidance, etc., perhaps the internal suspension system is not yet fully ready, but it’s already necessary to shoot, and it’s time.
          For one, this is the answer to those who thought they were just demo cars that could only fly.
          Again, the thoughts of a non-pilot - if you use, at a great distance, heavy rockets from an external sling, then the pylon will have to be dropped to restore stealth?
    3. +2
      21 May 2014
      As far as I see in the photo, the rockets are round. So the old ones, apparently for testing on-board sighting equipment. They said that on the internal suspension there will be rockets of rectangular cross section, for greater capacity.
      1. +1
        21 May 2014
        I think they are moving from simple to complex. Now they will teach the plane to just shoot, then open the hatches, and so on ...
    4. 0
      21 May 2014
      Quote: klimpopov
      But what about the internal suspension and stealth?


      - It also seemed to me that the PAK FA had an internal suspension and concealed weapons ...

      I ask the same
      Quote: klimpopov
      Explain who is in the subject
      1. -27
        21 May 2014
        There is no place inside the campaign at all. And it was cod: 5th generation-5th generation ...
        1. +4
          21 May 2014
          Places there dofiga! Plus, new missiles in trials. I would not be surprised if they put the Kyrgyz Republic there. Two 5-meter compartments, not khukh-mukhra.
        2. +3
          21 May 2014
          Quote: muginov2015
          There is no place inside the campaign at all. And it was cod: 5th generation-5th generation ...

          Missiles with TGSN (R-73, in the photo they are extreme with stripes) cannot be used with the internal suspension because to capture the target the TGSN itself must capture the target which it cannot do inside the compartment ...
          1. +1
            21 May 2014
            Therefore, they make new RVV-DB. I heard something somewhere, they can capture the target after leaving the compartment at the direction of the radar.
            1. +5
              21 May 2014
              Quote: Wedmak
              Therefore, they make new RVV-DB. I heard something somewhere, they can capture the target after leaving the compartment at the direction of the radar.

              On RVV-DB, the ARLGSN is installed, receiving guidance from the radar until the target is captured by its own radar and therefore does not care where it hangs. Missiles with TGSN captures the target itself, its GOS and therefore must be outside.
              1. 0
                21 May 2014
                And missiles with two GOS? Does the X-38 family also work? They are also modular.
                1. +2
                  21 May 2014
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  And missiles with two GOS? Does the X-38 family also work? They are also modular.

                  This is a missile in-w, the target is stationary and its coordinates are known in advance, therefore the beginning of the path the missile flies along the ANN / GLONASS, and only before the target is turned on the TGSN which searches for the target.
                  In airplanes (with us), the pilot with a helmet-mounted system guides the R-73 GOS missiles at the target, the GOS cooling is turned on, which captures the target by IR and reflected UV radiation, after which a capture signal is sent and launch is carried out. If the R-73 is located in the internal compartment, then its seeker will not be able to capture the target ...
                2. 0
                  21 May 2014
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  And missiles with two GOS? Does the X-38 family also work? They are also modular.

                  Most likely the same. If not to talk about the future, now only AiM-9X of the last blocks and python -5 (seemingly) have a lock on after launch function.
                  1. 0
                    21 May 2014
                    Quote: iwind
                    If not to talk about the future, now only AiM-9X of the last blocks and python -5 (seemingly) have a lock on after launch function

                    AIM-9X Block II - the option with lock on after launch failed the tests last year in April, so the prospects are rather vague. As far as I understand there, the flight of the rocket at the initial stage was carried out according to the ANN which calculated the flight path of the target according to data from the board at launch.
                  2. 0
                    21 May 2014
                    Quote: iwind
                    ... and python -5 (sort of) ...

                    Yes, it does, it was this technology that made it possible to realize the idea of ​​an all-perspective rocket (launched in any direction at 360 degrees).
                    Since the only possibility of guidance for an arrow shooting at an enemy who, for example, is sitting on your tail is to capture after launch by launching along a directing signal from the aircraft. (The rocket must first turn towards the enemy and only then capture)
            2. PLO
              +2
              21 May 2014
              don't believe him)
              extreme modifications of the R-73M (or RVV-MD) may well be used from the internal compartments.

              the T-50 as well as the F-22 have 2 fast internal compartments for short-range missiles with infrared seeker
              on the photo you brought, they are clearly visible
              1. 0
                21 May 2014
                Quote: olp
                extreme modifications of the R-73M (or RVV-MD) may well be used from the internal compartments.

                Are there any starts? I haven’t even heard of this. She doesn’t even have the possibility of radio command control.
                And you are aware that this is just a layout that has almost nothing to do with reality. And where are the fast compartments on a real plane? The influx under the wings is not even a hint on the sash.
                Although everything will be clear in the trailer soon
                1. PLO
                  0
                  21 May 2014
                  They say that the influx along the air intakes and there are quick compartments.
                  as for the sash xs, in any case it’s T-50-2, so here it is advisable to consider the photo T-50-5
                  whether there were launches I won’t tell you because I don’t know, but who knows for sure will not tell)
                  and where does the radio command guidance, it is absolutely optional.

                  the flight path can be laid before launching the rocket, where the rocket itself will search for the target.
                  1. +2
                    21 May 2014
                    Quote: olp
                    and where does the radio command guidance, it is absolutely optional.

                    What would the GOS confidently capture the target takes time (about 5-10 seconds). That is, GOS missiles need to know exactly where the plane is. And all this does not happen statically, the planes move all the more so at a close distance. The rocket simply does not find the target, and this is why there are stuck target designations, it just shows the GOS where the plane is. Inside the GOS compartment, there is nothing to be seen, therefore, it must be conducted from the aircraft until its guidance.
                    And it’s impossible to predict exactly where the enemy’s plane will fly, plus it will scatter the LST.
                2. +3
                  21 May 2014
                  The influx under the wings is not even a hint on the sash.

                  This is because it is not visible that the sash opens along the edge of the influx. This is better seen.
                  1. +1
                    21 May 2014
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    This is because it is not visible that the sash opens along the edge of the influx. This is better seen.

                    It seems really that there is
                    Thank you!
                    1. 0
                      21 May 2014
                      By the way, interesting material on Paralai on the T-50
                      http://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2326&sid=40c7e257c04718e821043b7c3
                      75fe5af so to speak FAQ on PAK FA.
                  2. Alex 241
                    +2
                    21 May 2014
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    This is because it is not visible that the sash opens along the edge of the influx. This is better seen.
        3. -1
          21 May 2014
          Well, why minus? Has anyone seen this "inner space"? I, for example, shoveled a hint of the Internet. But I came up with a very interesting material about how SUKHARI, even during the commies, turned a scam with a similar project - they ruined a lot of money by squeezing Migars, with zero result.
      2. 0
        21 May 2014
        Quote: LaGlobal
        But what about the internal suspension and stealth?

        Why are you so attached to stealth. This is just one of the parameters of the 5th generation and this parameter is dangerous for African countries with the old air defense system. In the conflict between the Bears or Eagles, all invisibility will disappear, although it will be a little in demand.
        The main thing is to fly out with full ammunition for the task and the developed tactics of departure, and not so much that on a hunt to fly through enemy territory, although when air defense is suppressed, it is possible, but where such a question will be debatable.
    5. +3
      21 May 2014
      This is just in case. The aircraft is multifunctional, and on the external sling it is possible to carry larger rockets (up to anti-ship missiles) and hang all sorts of other useful things. They will not be superfluous, especially as the pylons, as I understand it, are removable.
    6. +8
      21 May 2014
      Quote: klimpopov
      But what about the internal suspension and stealth? Explain who is in the subject ...

      This is the first stage! It is wise to first see how everything works from the pylon, and only then go on to test from the internal compartments. Great news! Still would work on their EPR - in general it would be super.
      1. 0
        21 May 2014
        It is wise to first see how everything works from the pylon, and only then go on to test from the internal compartments.

        What's the point? The hitch of rockets from the pylon has already been developed and tested in all possible variants. It's not a problem. But from the internal compartments, we only use strategic weapons. And here the plane is many times less.
        1. +1
          21 May 2014
          Quote: Wedmak
          What's the point? The hitch of rockets from the pylon has already been developed and tested in all possible variants.

          The test plan usually indicates the ammunition discharge check from all points of the suspension and at different speeds. It does not matter that the pylon is standard and has already proven its reliability. It is important how the ammunition behaves after uncoupling.
          1. 0
            21 May 2014
            It does not matter that the pylon is standard and has already proven its reliability. It is important how the ammunition behaves after uncoupling.

            Well, what you need to experience is understandable. The aerodynamics of the wing is different, so you need to check. But if the ammunition is old, then there should be no problems with the behavior of the ammunition. But if it’s new ... but the new ones are still kind of in trials.
            1. 0
              21 May 2014
              Quote: Wedmak
              But if the ammunition is old, then there should be no problems with the behavior of the ammunition.

              What's the difference. Must check all the ammunition integrated on board, regardless of whether they are old or not.
            2. +1
              21 May 2014
              Quote: Wedmak
              Well, what you need to experience is understandable. The aerodynamics of the wing is different, so you need to check. But if the ammunition is old, then there should be no problems with the behavior of the ammunition. But if it’s new ... but the new ones are still kind of in trials.

              It doesn’t matter a new, an old asp until 500-1000 times all types of ammunition at different heights and winds, etc., will be dropped.
              More than once there was a case when an already familiar TSA after uncoupling encountered new aircraft. And one thing is to reset in a straight horizontal flight and quite another with 4g + overloads
        2. +2
          21 May 2014
          Quote: Wedmak
          What's the point? The hitch of rockets from the pylon has already been developed and tested in all possible variants.

          The point is that with the T-50 this has not yet been done. hi
          There is a test plan, it is important here not how the rocket comes off the pylon, but how the aircraft reacts to it, how the equipment of the aircraft works, all its systems. There, so far, there is no question of knocking down educational goals, etc. This is a test of an airplane, not a rocket and a pylon.
          And the launch from internal pylons is first worked out at stands and air laboratories and only then by plane.
      2. +1
        21 May 2014
        Quote: TAMERLAN 7
        This is the first stage!

        But the video is old, 2012 of the year, that is, computer graphics ...
        1. 0
          21 May 2014
          Quote: Corsair
          But the video is old, 2012 of the year, that is, computer graphics ...

          There is a launch from the internal compartment smile I would like to see this soon too.
          Many are looking for a new video with external launch, I have not found it yet, but I am looking for ... (I will find it - I will post it). hi
    7. +1
      21 May 2014
      Quote: klimpopov
      But what about the internal suspension and stealth?

      Klim hello! These are additional suspension points, there was a conversation about them at the very beginning.
      1. +1
        21 May 2014
        Hello! Well interpreted like. Of course it will not be superfluous. For 18 missiles are 9 goals ... And yet I wonder what kind of internal suspension it is))) will we furnish the Americans? They had a lot of problems with her and have ...
        1. +14
          21 May 2014
          Here is an early model with a suspension. Perhaps now they have finalized or reworked, but the presentation gives.
          1. 0
            21 May 2014
            Oh thanks! From me you cross + hi
          2. 0
            21 May 2014
            Quote: Wedmak
            Here is an early model with a suspension

            In fact, this, if I’m not mistaken, is the Polish office for the production of mock-ups and to the SU - has nothing to do with it at all, all the weapons here are stuck from the bulldozer.
            1. 0
              21 May 2014
              This is really a layout. But armament is not quite from the bulldozer - one of the options. I am not saying that it is now exactly as shown in the model. But you can understand how the weapons are located and where the quick compartments are.
    8. +2
      21 May 2014
      This is a test flight, checking aerodynamics and other characteristics (such as the load on the wing in flight). The internal suspension is not a bottomless barrel, the four points of the external suspension were originally incorporated into the design. Some types of ammunition will simply not fit into the internal compartment. In terms of ideology, PAKFA is not a "pure" stealth, but an aircraft with a low ESR, in other words, combat capabilities and performance characteristics are not sacrificed for radar signature like on the F-22. In addition, there is one more reason: testing missile launch from the internal compartment is not an easy task and takes time, while radar, sighting systems, etc. need to be adjusted. systems, and this is the time, so they will start like this, then continue in stealth mode, but again, the external suspension was originally announced. For the same PB, for example, or anti-ship missiles.
    9. +2
      21 May 2014
      Quote: klimpopov
      Photos are valid!

      Only in the fourth photo did I not like the seagull next to the plane.
      Quote: klimpopov
      But what about the internal suspension and stealth

      IMHA
      For the internal suspension, more rockets (maybe) are not ready
      And the fact that on the outside it is an additional option is the ability to carry and use as many missiles as possible and it is not always required to overcome powerful air defense, so to speak. If my memory serves me, then the Bomber is made subsonic precisely because he could use a wider range of weapons.
      PS
      And in general, it seems to me that soon the rockets themselves will begin to do using stealth technology.
      1. +1
        21 May 2014
        missile sizes - already made from stealth
    10. 0
      21 May 2014
      the external suspension is easily removable, installed to perform tasks where the stealth factor is not so important (what I read)
    11. +3
      21 May 2014
      Quote: klimpopov
      But what about the internal suspension and stealth? Explain who is in the subject ...
      Photos are valid!

      The internal suspension is probably also tested (I hope), but this does not mean that the external suspension of weapons is excluded.
      The F-35s have recently been tested for maximum load, also with external suspension ...
      1. +2
        21 May 2014
        Quote: Nayhas
        The F-35s have recently been tested for maximum load, also with external suspension ...

        It’s not a news anymore. I’m working on the use of weapons at attack angles.
        = 50-70 degrees and with overload up to 7.7 with a speed of up to 1.6M
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    13. 0
      21 May 2014
      Quote: klimpopov
      But what about the internal suspension and stealth?

      What difference does it make with what kind of suspension to launch a rocket? The main thing is to work out the modes, methods, electronics and so on. And stealth is like for example saving money in a thick wallet in a breast pocket or stuffing it into pants without a wallet, your solvency will not suffer from this.
      1. +1
        21 May 2014
        What difference does it make with what kind of suspension to launch a rocket?

        The difference is substantial and the fasteners are different. If the rocket simply goes off the external slider along the guides or just detaches, then this will not work out of the internal compartment. The rocket needs to be pushed out of the compartment, and the higher the speed of the carrier, the more difficult it is to do it.
        1. Alex 241
          +2
          21 May 2014
          Quote: Wedmak
          The rocket needs to be pushed out of the compartment, and the higher the speed of the carrier, the more difficult it is to do it.

          To do this, use AKU (aviation kakapultny devices)
    14. Alex 241
      +1
      21 May 2014
      Arms compartments are highlighted in red, blue - the places of attachment of pylons of external suspension
      How many PAK FA missiles will there be?
      The first time after the publication of the pictures of the PAK FA, passions were seething about the capacity of the aircraft compartments. There were reports of 8, 12 and even 16 missiles in the internal compartments. There were suggestions that the side compartments on the prototypes were not installed, and even the "Brahmos" and KAB-1500 were shoved into the main ones. The reality turned out to be more restrained.
      Insiders about the internal placement of weapons on the T-50 wrote verbatim the following:
      "there are four compartments, none of them can accommodate more than two missiles" (c) and "you will still be surprised how we placed the missiles"
      Two unified intra-fuselage ejection devices (four in total) can be installed in the main armament compartments (at least on the first stage vehicles) - these can be light (for hanging missiles and bombs up to 300 kg) or universal (for heavy ammunition) ejection launchers .
      Details of the suspension of weapons in fast compartments are still unknown.

      It can’t be that the PAK FA had fewer missiles than the F-22!
      According to the information available now, this is exactly the case. But it is necessary to clarify that when designing the F-22 it was laid in the same way as the PAK FA, for 6 missiles - 4 AIM-120A in the abdominal compartments and 2 AIM-9 in the fast ones. When upgrading the missiles to the AIM-120C, the span of their rudders and wings was reduced (the tips were cut off), which made it possible to accommodate more missiles in the same volume. Another American, the F-35, can currently carry only 4 air-to-air missiles in its internal compartments. Only approximately from 2020 is modernization expected to allow it to take 6 missiles. The "covered" F-15SE had space in the compartments only for 4 missiles, etc.
      1. 0
        21 May 2014
        maximum load is interesting mainly in the bomb version.
        no one will carry clouds of rockets. I would start from the numbers of 4-6 rockets.
        not because it no longer fits, but because it is rarely needed anymore.
  2. +1
    21 May 2014
    More recently, the T-50-4 with 4 pylons lit up, the fact for some reason went unnoticed ...

    That's right - good things must be done quietly.
  3. 0
    21 May 2014
    Well, I just would like to know in more detail: what specific missiles are created for the PAK FA and their approximate performance characteristics.
  4. +2
    21 May 2014
    The beauty!!! I am delighted!!! It’s a pity that my time has passed ...
    1. 0
      21 May 2014
      In-in. Same stuff.
    2. 0
      21 May 2014
      Quote: mig31
      The beauty!!! I am delighted!!! It’s a pity that my time has passed ...


      The main thing is that it would not be required again!
      And so - yes, something always appears after you.
  5. 0
    21 May 2014
    Great news ... the next stage of flight tests of the new complex ... I hope more detailed information will appear over time.
  6. 0
    21 May 2014
    What good news! Good luck in the tests, so that the missiles hit the targets like a bullseye, and did not leave any chances for future opponents.
  7. 0
    21 May 2014
    Well, how long have they been pulling?
    1. +1
      21 May 2014
      Quote: kit-kat
      Well, how long have they been pulling?

      And then as in that joke -
      - We will go down slowly, and then, we will * eat the whole herd ....
    2. 0
      21 May 2014
      Quote: kit-kat
      Well, how long have they been pulling?

      They bring it to mind, and it will be like with F 22 and 35 it stinks in the cockpit, then it cracks all over the plane.
      1. -1
        21 May 2014
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They bring it to mind, otherwise it will be like with 22 and 35 it stinks in the cockpit

        Shit from fear, just sitting in a chair ...
  8. Epmac
    +1
    21 May 2014
    Quote: klimpopov
    But what about the internal suspension and stealth? Explain who is in the subject ...

    The T-50 has both internal and external pylons.
  9. +1
    21 May 2014
    More recently, the T-50-4 with 4 pylons lit up, the fact for some reason remained undetected
    all the same stealth present !!!! smile
  10. -1
    21 May 2014
    There is something to be proud of. They know how to create beautiful aircraft. Of course I would like more information.

    By the way, 1 and 2 photos - from the category "find 10 differences".
    1. HAM
      +2
      21 May 2014
      Well, there are differences, and so what?
  11. HAM
    0
    21 May 2014
    Personally, I assume that at first they train "on cats", ie. on spent weapons.
  12. -1
    21 May 2014
    "The first thing, the first thing - the planes!" well, "Poplar", and then "Poplar" ...
  13. 0
    21 May 2014
    Yes, like weapons tests have been going on for a long time. Maybe they already pounced on the internal ones, now they switched to the external ones? On pylons it is possible to hang larger rockets.
  14. +1
    21 May 2014
    But a beautiful car turned out, one can’t take his eyes off.
  15. +3
    21 May 2014
    American "combat snipe" goes to ram. laughing
  16. +3
    21 May 2014
    T - 50 !!! forward! We are waiting in the series !!!
    http://suavia.info/page/115/ - немного о вооружении для Т - 50.
  17. Palych9999
    0
    21 May 2014
    Over the past year, the PLA air force received 15 H-6K Xian bombers, which are a modernized version of the Soviet strategic bomber Tu-16. This model has been manufactured in China since the late 1950s, however, it has been substantially modernized. In particular, composite materials were used in the design of the airframe, which made it possible to reduce its mass and increase its safety factor. In addition, the H-6K was converted for the installation of CJ-10A cruise missiles on it. In total, the advanced bomber carries six weapons points, and instead of the bomb compartment it has an additional fuel tank.
    At the same time, the range of a cruise missile is about 2 thousand kilometers, which makes it possible for Chinese bombers to hit targets in Malaysia, Vietnam and the Philippines without leaving their country's airspace. KR CJ-10A can be equipped with both nuclear and conventional warheads.
    1. 0
      21 May 2014
      The Tu-16 Chinese have already licked (in a good way) to the ideal. Only here is something further to develop?
      1. 0
        21 May 2014
        Quote: Wedmak
        The Tu-16 Chinese have already licked (in a good way) to the ideal. Only here is something further to develop?

        Radio-electronic equipment, the integration of new ammunition, additional volumes for fuel, means of refueling in the air ...
        1. 0
          21 May 2014
          How much will all this increase efficiency? They will not change the engines, the glider too. And the equipment ... Well .. he will hit the coin with a rocket from 50-60 km. So the carrier can be seen very far away, they will be easily removed from the sky.
          1. +3
            21 May 2014
            Quote: Wedmak
            How much will all this increase efficiency?

            Factor of.
            Quote: Wedmak
            They will not change engines

            Already changed, put D-30 instead of AM-3, increased range.
            Quote: Wedmak
            glider too

            They changed, increased the internal fuel supply, and the new engines are different in size ... They installed the radar in the nose, installed electronic warfare equipment in the bomb bay and add. tank.
            Quote: Wedmak
            Well .. he will hit the rocket with a coin from 50-60 km. So the carrier can be seen very far away, they will be easily removed from the sky.

            H-6K is the carrier of six tactical missiles CJ-10A with a range of 3000 km., So to remove it you need to oooooooochen try ...




            1. +2
              21 May 2014
              Ah, there it is. I was not in the know. But then this is not Tu-16 at all. What is left of him is even interesting.
              1. +1
                21 May 2014
                Quote: Wedmak
                Ah, there it is. I was not in the know. But then this is not Tu-16 at all. What is left of him is even interesting.

                Well, then it is more similar to the original than the Tu-22 on the Tu-22M3 wink
                I believe that this is an effective solution at minimal cost. The development of a new bomber was many times more expensive, while the increase in efficiency would not be large.
  18. Dbnfkmtdbx
    +1
    21 May 2014
    It’s been a long time since I was so happy for our obaronka to keep it super !!!!!
  19. joker55
    +1
    21 May 2014
    Beauty and strength !!
  20. +1
    21 May 2014
    With such news, how not to recall the "experts" who said that he would not fly, everything will be bad and our country is generally over. It is very, very good that the program is successfully developing and moving forward. The plane is magnificent, a truly outstanding machine, a new word in technology ...
  21. 0
    21 May 2014
    Who is in the subject, please explain. In the late 90s, speaking of the 5th generation aircraft, it was assumed that they would be stratospheric aircraft, i.e. the target is exited from near space. By the way, they do not need fuselage contours for invisibility, and so the locators will not detect them before reaching the target. And here, it turns out, it is just a struggle for the usual stealth technology, which the Americans have been using for 20 years. What are we fighting for?
    1. +1
      21 May 2014
      stealth technology is just a countermeasure to increasing the efficiency of location equipment and they help capture the initiative.

      stratosphere is another thing. Now they are so expensive that neither the USA nor the Russian Federation can afford them within the budget of the Air Force, although the necessary technologies are already there. And in general, now they are moving towards making universal machines in order to save maintenance costs.
      1. 0
        21 May 2014
        Clear. Thank. In other words, aviation of the 5 generation has been stolen for now, and the whole world is engaged in stamping 4 +, 4 ++, 4 +++ and so on. I will not say that this is very pleasing (in relation to Russia).
        1. +1
          21 May 2014
          the army should take into account the cost / effectiveness ratio. Based on this criterion, the stratosphere rests because they have lost a number of past advantages:
          1. they are now seen very far away and have time to react
          2. There is weapons to destroy such targets
          3. The same tasks can be performed by other means with higher efficiency and probability of success.
          4. narrow tasks that are far from always in demand.

          in my opinion, even the relevance of the project weaving is gone. The same thing with aircraft carriers can be done without a cool titanium superplane.
    2. 0
      21 May 2014
      stratospheres, i.e. on target come from outer space. By the way, they do not need fuselage contours for invisibility, they will not be detected by the locators until they reach the target.

      Uh-huh ... the Voronezh radar (and others too), sees an object the size of a tennis ball in orbit, and then there is some kind of plane ...
      1. +1
        21 May 2014
        Yeah ... But meteorites (hello Chelyabinsk) do not notice from the principle. Yes, and radar warning of a missile attack and air defense radar are slightly different things.
        1. +1
          21 May 2014
          But meteorites (hello Chelyabinsk) do not notice from the principle.

          Yeah. Compared, the speed of meteorites and orbiting satellites. They may have noticed, but they didn’t have time to react.
          Yes, and radar warning of a missile attack and air defense radar are slightly different things.

          When it comes to high altitudes, right up to the satellite’s orbits, it’s the same thing.
          1. 0
            21 May 2014
            yehat (1), Wedmak thank. A little smarter smile
  22. 0
    21 May 2014
    as far as I remember, the PAK FA promised to make a full-fledged launch of supersonic rockets. The F-22 is also declared, but as far as I understand, there are some problems in reality and it cannot.
    I believe this is one of the most interesting questions in weapons testing.
    It is also very interesting how guidance systems work and whether Pak Fa can attack ground targets quite effectively?
    1. 0
      21 May 2014
      It is also very interesting how guidance systems work and whether Pak Fa can attack ground targets quite effectively?

      It can, there a whole set of missiles is being prepared for it. I would say the family, from ordinary KABs, to anti-radar and anti-ship.
  23. Palych9999
    +2
    21 May 2014
    The T-50 does not yet have its own engine.
    We are talking about the power plants "product 117" and "product 30" for the fifth generation fighter T-50 (PAK FA).
    This year the first experimental units will be made in metal, and by the beginning of 2015 it is planned to assemble a demonstrator engine. ”
  24. 0
    21 May 2014
    6th generation aircraft, more or less clear. And what will be the 7th generation?
    1. +2
      21 May 2014
      Somehow so likely.
    2. 0
      21 May 2014
      I think that there will be an active movement towards remote control and the complexity of control mechanisms. During WWII, the achievement was to strengthen wing mechanization, for example, the addition of slats, then wings of variable geometry appeared, now they make a variable thrust vector of the engine, then they go on to the total mechanization of the entire airplane body, the control interface will change dramatically in the direction of scaling and integrating information output, radical change control devices.
  25. 0
    21 May 2014
    It’s great that it’s time to start testing weapons, the internal compartments would finally show.
    And most importantly, when they already begin to test the fully composite hull and RPM if they want to adopt the aircraft in 2016, there is almost no time already ...
  26. 0
    21 May 2014
    http://www.only-paper.ru/_fr/149/3391838.jpg
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  28. lord
    0
    21 May 2014
    the car is needed but you don’t need to forget about -31 a good car you want to write off 150 pieces leave 30 is not enough
    1. +1
      21 May 2014
      MiG-31 will be gradually written off to develop a resource. They refused to restore their production. Alas, there is no direct replacement for him.
      1. 0
        21 May 2014
        there is. Pak Fa with a new engine can become a replacement
        new missiles, new tracking and guidance systems, new engines.
        with a little refinement, it will completely replace, although it is redundant for this ...
        1. 0
          21 May 2014
          PAK FA single. It will replace and complement the close interceptor, which is now the Su-27/35, but not the MIG. Unless they make a two-seat modification, but it is still written with a pitchfork on water.
  29. +2
    21 May 2014
    After modernization, the MiG 31 will last for more than a dozen years !!!! The groundwork for modernization is huge !! And today, This is one of the best air defense aircraft !!!
    1. 0
      21 May 2014
      the moment has very bulky electronics by modern standards and a heavy case.
      The plane is solid, but now it’s already possible to do a better job.
      The nomenclature of missiles has also changed. They have become more compact and long-range.
  30. 0
    21 May 2014
    When the fire tests begin. Those that were promised by the beginning of 2013, then "wait for the fifth board with a full" board "" by the summer of 2013, then postponed until the fall of 2013 and only then "in the spring of 2014". Spring is already drawing to a close, and apparently so far the third and fourth cars are just as dashing to carry models as they did two years ago. Which is news.
  31. 0
    21 May 2014
    Happy news good ! But I want to start testing with internal compartments. I am surprised that when the site shows an F-35 with external weapons, then everyone immediately "grabs the hats" (they say the stealth completely deteriorates, the end). In fact, the presence of weapons on external suspension (for PAK FA, F-22, F-35) increases the RCS only slightly. Low-visibility, of course, deteriorates slightly, but not to a large extent.
  32. 0
    21 May 2014
    when will the new engines be?
  33. 0
    21 May 2014
    Everything is clear with invisibility and other bells and whistles, but why build a multibillion-dollar barn, if its functions can be taken over by the outdated MiG-31, with the Khibiny electronic warfare station? Why build a garden under the wings if they increase an already more than noticeable profile? The answer is probably "whatever!"
    1. 0
      21 May 2014
      about the profile you are in vain. the T50 EPR is not bad for its size.
      It will be spotted almost 3 times closer than the Su-30MKK.
      with pylons about 2 times closer.
    2. 0
      22 May 2014
      Even a maize with the Khibiny can take on its functions. But will it be the same?
  34. +1
    22 May 2014
    The PAK-FA test photo shows how many missiles! 6 items
    Well, if it's a drum, then 8. I do not understand what it costs (

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