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Aviation industry comes to life

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Participants of the scientific-practical conference held within the framework of the international engine-building forum "MFD-2014" tried to develop measures to restore the competitiveness of the industry in the world market after the turmoil of the 90s. In general, the situation is improving, new prospects are emerging, but manufacturers are worried about the planned reduction of the State Program for Support of the Aviation Industry. The discussion was attended by representatives of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, OJSC United Engine Corporation (UEC), Federal State Unitary Enterprise All-Russian Research Institute aviation materials "(VIAM), JSC" Klimov ".


The revival of such a knowledge-intensive and costly industry as the aviation engine-building, besides being in a state of stagnation for 20 years, is impossible without the support of the state. And she appeared recently. For example, in 2007, the decision was made to collect the remnants of enterprises under the roof of the United Engine Corporation. The task of this integrated structure is to produce engines for military, civil aviation and space programs, installations of various capacities for generating electrical and thermal energy, gas pumping and ship gas turbine units. JDC unites more than 85 percent of the industry’s assets and is a subsidiary of the United Industrial Corporation Oboronprom. According to the Deputy Director of the Aviation Industry Department of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Alexey Lyashenko, within the framework of the state program “Development of the aviation industry for 2013 – 2025 years”, production of aircraft engines is planned to increase from 690 to 3000 units. According to the program, a threefold increase in the revenue of aircraft manufacturing is expected - from 504 billion to 1,776 trillion rubles. From 2011 to 2025, there has been an increase in the number of aircraft supplied - from 102 to 298 units, helicopters - from 262 to 465. In addition, an almost tenfold increase in labor productivity is planned - from 1,5 million to 14,5 million rubles per person. Financing of the state program is 991 billion rubles, although more recently, before the entry of the Crimea into Russia, it was estimated at 1,7 trillion rubles. The conference participants asked how, with a reduction in funding of almost a trillion, to maintain quantitative and nomenclature indicators, given that only 21 billion rubles are needed for the production of MC-360 aircraft.

PD-14 - our common success

UDC General Director Vladislav Masalov said that the corporation had completed the formation period and is now in the process of developing a development strategy for the period up to 2025. “We decided to create a reliable, sane action plan that will allow us to achieve the performance indicators voiced by Alexey Lyashenko. All the executive bodies, primarily the Ministry of Industry and Trade and the Ministry of Finance, participate in the development. I will not hide the fact that the task to achieve a confident financial condition has not yet been solved. The main reason is the debt burden of the enterprises that we received in 2009 during the formation of the corporation. This circumstance hinders the possibility of dynamic development of the UEC, ”complained Masalov.

Aviation industry comes to life

Andrei Sedykh collage


Simultaneously with the development of a strategy, the corporation is increasing its engine production. “On average, production at enterprises from 2009 to 2013 year increased from 950 thousand to two million. The sales volume increased significantly - from 98 billions in 2009 to 168 billions of rubles in 2013. In 2014, it is planned to increase this figure by another 18 percent. An increase in the state defense order affects the improvement of the structure of commodity output. In 2013, the state defense order was 25 percent, and in 2014-m it reached 32 percent. The improvement is on the basic indicators, but, unfortunately, the debts that we received together with the plants make it impossible for us to conduct proper technical re-equipment, ”added the General Director of the UEC.

He believes that corporations are required to match the time. “Given the smaller production volume compared to the 80's period, industry enterprises cannot be effective in the current configuration. It is necessary to create a new industrial model for the development of inter-plant cooperation. It is used in almost all segments of promising programs. First of all, we are talking about the power plants “117 product” and “30 product” for the fifth generation fighter T-50 (PAK FA). This year, the first pilot units will be manufactured in metal, and by the beginning of 2015, the engine-demonstrator will be assembled, ”Masalov stressed.

Another important segment of the program is civilian engine-building. “We are at the stage of manufacturing engine demonstrators for testing. Five PD-14 should be collected this year, after which they will begin their bench and flight tests. The civil engineering program involves co-financing from the state in the amount of 35 billion rubles, as well as the placement of a bond loan for the purpose of technical re-equipment of the enterprise - 12 billion rubles. In principle, the entire program budget amounts to about 75 billion rubles, ”he said.

In the helicopter segment, in accordance with the technical tasks of the holding company "Helicopters of Russia", there is a phased work at the St. Petersburg plant of OAO "Klimov". The company is upgrading the engines VK-2500, which are supposed to be used to create a promising high-speed helicopter. Masalov says: “It is extremely important that UEC cooperates with the United Aircraft Construction Corporation. We finally have a mutual understanding, it is implemented in long contracts, unlike in past times. The previous planning system for a period of one year led to the fact that many difficulties arose for the construction of the production program. Now, at least, a plan has been agreed on for the delivery of engines for military transport aviation for the period up to 2020, which makes it possible to formulate a program for the scientific and technical re-equipment of industry enterprises.

The production of gas turbine units based on aircraft engines saved the industry from complete degradation in the 90s. ODK and now does not refuse the production of these products. “This is an important segment of our program, to which we are neat, we build long-term relationships with the main consumers, Gazprom and oil companies. Now we have begun negotiations on the transfer of repair plants to the competence of the JDC to improve the after-sales service system, ”said Vladislav Masalov.

VIAM General Director Academician Yevgeny Kablov recalled that funding for the creation of the PD-14 program began thanks to the fact that scientists convinced Vladimir Putin of the ability of domestic manufacturers to create a competitive engine for MS-21: “If there had not been a conversation with the President during his visit to the exhibition in VIAM, it would hardly have been possible to get 12,8 a billion rubles of budget funds in order to start the implementation of the PD-2008 program in 14 ”.

The academician called the great merit of Alexander Inozemtsev, Managing Director and General Designer of Aviadvigatel OJSC (part of UEC), the main developer of PD-14, Alexander, who entrusted VIAM with the creation of new materials for this power unit. “Foreigners understood that the West would not give them to us and that we can develop only in our country. For PD-14, VIAM specialists presented 20 new materials, including composites, as well as more 50 semi-finished products from mass-produced materials, Kablov shared. - This engine is an outstanding achievement of our scientists and designers. What has been done today is really our common success, because in the conditions in which we had to work, it was difficult to create such an engine. ”

The UEC created cooperation ties to which the metallurgists were also connected. They set the condition - the order must be at least 100 engines. The UEC accepted it, and all business leaders agreed that they would keep prices down. “The second achievement of Alexander Inozemtsev is that he showed the will and entrusted us with the development of his nacelle from polymer composite materials. The UEC supported the general designer not to buy it for big money, but to make the domestic version, ”Kablov said. As a result, VIAM has developed a number of polymeric and composite materials, built cooperation and started the delivery of units for the engine nacelle.

Speaking about the application of additive technologies, the academician noted that “the mastering of these technologies will make it possible to manufacture complex-shaped parts with selective laser synthesis from domestic powders”. Using these technologies, you can create blades with any complexity of channels and cavities, which is determined not by the capabilities of the casting technology, but by design necessity. In addition, there will be the prospect of applying alloys-coatings directly in the process of "growing" blades and other parts, as well as the possibility of combining the properties of two or more alloys in one part.

Fighting Pratt & Whitney

Alexander Inozemtsev spoke about the implementation of the PD-14 project. According to him, aircraft manufacturers have been living with the idea of ​​creating the MS-21 family for 12 years, but full-scale investments began after a key meeting with Vladimir Putin at VIAM. To maintain Russian competence, it is necessary to create an engine with a thrust of 12,5-14 tons, which is designed for several types of MS-21, which can accommodate up to 212 people. The most popular will be the model with a capacity of 150-175 passengers. It is important that Russian engine builders are tasked with certifying PD-14 not only in Russian, but also in a number of international registers. MS-21 is planned to be sold on the global market, therefore, for the first time in the practice of domestic aircraft construction, two engines are used at once on the same type of aircraft. In international practice, this is a normal phenomenon, due to the fact that airlines are very reluctant to change power plants, rather they are ready to change the aircraft itself, because such replacements entail changes in the entire service system. Therefore, the MS-21 will be offered with two engines - the American PW1400G from Pratt & Whitney and the Russian PD-14.


Andrei Sedykh collage


Inozemtsev explained Russia's adherence to medium-haul narrow-body airliners in the following way: “This is the most dynamic and rapidly developing niche in aircraft construction. Forecasts up to the 50s and 60s of the XNUMXst century indicate a XNUMX% increase in demand for this type. Two participants - the firms Pratt & Whitney and Snecma - usurped the market, but, according to our information, already today this leads to long delays in the supply of engines. Therefore, there is a real opportunity to compete with these companies ”.

When the creators of PD-14 began work, the airlines set a number of conditions: to achieve reliability of the power unit, fuel efficiency, low maintenance costs and environmental safety. According to Alexander Inozemtsev, now it is possible to work out all the required parametric characteristics. For the first time in the domestic practice, aircraft builders set the task to create an integrated power plant, that is, not only the engine, but also the engine nacelle. In the West, these two industries have long been interrelated. Inozemtsev believes: “In recent years, designers have been chasing the maximum“ licking ”of efficiency, including in terms of the interaction of a power plant with a wing. Therefore, the requirements of Irkut Corporation and UAC for the supply of engines for MS-21 together with engine nacelles are in line with the global trend, and we took up this work. ”

The main developers of PD-14 from Aviadvigatel OJSC hope that their offspring will be competitive in the market. The characteristics of the new unit should exceed the parameters of existing world analogues by 12 – 18 percent. First of all, CFM56 and V2500 are meant. “If we do not achieve this, then after 2017, the competitiveness of our engine will be very difficult to ensure among medium-range narrow-body aircraft,” warned foreigners.

The reliability of aircraft on 200 thousands of flying hours should be determined by one shutdown. “Such a shutdown frequency is a pass to the elite engine builder unit. In addition, we need to reduce airline operating costs by at least 15 percent. Airlines do not require that we make huge reserves from current environmental regulations, because they do not receive any bonuses for this. Considering the fact that the requirements are tightening all the time and every time it is insanely expensive to rework the engine to meet prospective standards, we set ourselves the task of creating a product with noise margin of 10 – 15 percent and emissions of harmful substances by 30 – 45 percent of today's ICAO standards “- said the general designer of Aviadvigatel OJSC.

Alexander Inozemtsev did not at one time pull the blanket over himself in order to receive budgetary funds, but managed to unite the engine factories for the PD-14 project. “For Western colleagues, the creation of cooperation in modern super-expensive developments is a common practice, but we did not have this. Each design bureau and its serial plant had their own cooperation for the supply of components. For 20 years Russian engine builders did not build anything, but only devoured what was in the USSR. In Perm we had to descend from heaven to earth and create industrial gas turbines for the energy complex. This allowed us to survive. These are the conditions under which the country's leadership set us the task of building an engine that would be competitive with the products of General Electric and Pratt & Whitney within a tight timeframe (six to seven years). Initially, we understood that if we did not create the most powerful cooperation, then nothing would come of it within the specified time frame. Everyone understood that the industry was so weak that it could not compete with the whole world, ”Inozemtsev said.

According to him, the UEC helped to solve the problem of consolidation. All key enterprises were invited to work on the engine, in accordance with their competence, they determined the scope of work. All had the experience of independent creation of both individual units and power units as a whole. OJSC Saturn and OJSC Aviadvigatel cooperated with Western firms - the first one certified the turbofan SaM-146 in Europe, the second one worked for some time with Pratt & Whitney on the PS-90A project and gained useful experience, especially in the field of billet quality assurance.

Viktor Chuiko, Director General of the Aviation Engine Building Union, spoke at MFD-2014 that the current state of the industry is far from modern requirements. In such a situation, all hopes for competitiveness are placed on scientists. His opinion is confirmed by the work on PD-14. “If it were not for the active participation of scientists from CIAM, VIAM in creating the engine, we would not have been able to make the gas generator and the engine-demonstrator so quickly. The fact that VIAM is a developer is familiar and understandable. But for the first time, CIAM acted not just as a scientific consultant, but as a component designer, for the first time signed a contract, which is responsible for designing the high-pressure compressor fan, ”said Alexander Inozemtsev Chuiko.

Black wing

The merit of the PD-14 developers, primarily from VIAM, was the creation of a wide-stroke fan blade technology. For its production, a whole plant had to be built in Ufa. “Technology patents are very vigilantly defended by Western colleagues. Pratt & Whitney and Rolls-Royce jealously guard their knowledge and are constantly suing, paying each other $ 1,5-3,5 billion in fines. We have created our own technology and protected the patent. Today, the wide-stroke fan blade is produced using serial technology. The products are 30 percent lighter than solid blades, which reduced engine weight by half a ton. This is a giant step forward, considering that the total mass of the engine is 3,8 tons, ”said Alexander Inozemtsev.

The MC-21 developers constantly compare their offspring with their main competitors, the Boeing 737 and the Airbus A320. “We provide superiority over them due to the parameters and maintain an approximate parity with the fact that, according to our information, will be released on the upgraded aircraft of these types. If we manage to withstand the specified characteristics and if Irkut and UAC are implementing their plans to install a black wing (composite, carbon-fiber alloys. - Ed.), Then in general MS-21 will have advantages. Our competitors do not yet have plans to install such a wing on aircraft, ”the general designer predicts.

The economic characteristics of industrial production of the engine give a certain superiority in comparison with what today flies in the world market. “For the first time, we are designing an engine for a given directive production consumption of materials and labor intensity. Having a market price, which we set ourselves as a competitive one, we “rewind” the task of the production cost of parts and components back, distributed everything in the factories and included these requirements on the level of parts that determine the production cost. Based on these requirements, the plants have developed a program of technical re-equipment, ”said Inozemtsev. The Ministry of Economy supported the idea, it is planned to allocate money on the basis of a bonded loan with interest rate subsidies. The issue of financing is key, it is much more important than other problems. AT stories Russian engine-building has not yet had any examples of technical re-equipment in view of the appearance of a new product. As a rule, the product was several times more expensive than the market price, and then over the course of 10 years, the real labor intensity and subsidy for the difference decreased - what is happening now with the Sa-M-146 engine. The creators of PD-14 plan to carry out technical re-equipment of factories by the second or third year of mass production and believe that this will provide an opportunity to enter the market with a competitive product. “PD-14 is a symbiosis of new, already proven and proven technologies and materials for all major nodes. This allows you to create not only a product, but also a powerful foundation for the future for the next generation of engines. Today, we are actively lobbying with the institutions and the Ministry of Industry and Trade to create a program from 22 key technologies of the sixth generation engine. This should be done in order to take into account the mistakes in creating PD-14, when additional risks arose related to the tight deadlines for implementing the program, ”said Alexander Inozemtsev.

Within the framework of the PD-14 program, two full-sized engines and several gas generators and model units were created. On the fourth engine, modernized gas generators are being tested. On the fifth unit, full-scale engineering and certification tests are deployed, the purpose of which is to confirm the planned calculations. Based on the IL-76, it is planned to create a flying laboratory, in which tests of the power plant will begin in February 2015.

“In total, an 22 prototype engine, including four for two aircraft and nine engine nacelles, should be created in order of certification. All these volumes are painted in the production schedules. The main thing now - to withstand them. All motor factories are undergoing tremendous growth in defense orders. Unemployment is over, and the plants are working at full capacity. But I am afraid that this will interfere with the implementation of the PD-14 program, ”the general designer concluded.
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  1. Wiruz
    Wiruz 21 May 2014 08: 57
    +17
    Hurry to see the serial Su-50 with engines of the second stage. It smells like a 360 degree cobra smile .
    1. Very old
      Very old 21 May 2014 09: 02
      +19
      This is no longer a cobra, pure somersault.
      But more seriously, we have long been waiting for this rise.
      But in the space industry, the debris for a long time to disassemble

      The article is good, there is hope in it
      1. schizophrenic
        schizophrenic 21 May 2014 09: 19
        +5
        For a long time they didn’t get down to business with a serious plan, it’s good if it is done in practice.
        1. yehat
          yehat 21 May 2014 13: 39
          +2
          No, not Stalin's. We just return to the planned production, which in the wake of perestroika was so stupidly destroyed.
    2. MOISEY
      MOISEY 21 May 2014 09: 05
      +7
      Also, soon we are waiting for the MIG 35 generation 4 ++ combat samples
    3. Berxen
      Berxen 21 May 2014 12: 24
      +2
      Quote: Wiruz
      Hurry to see the serial Su-50 with engines of the second stage. It smells like a 360 degree cobra smile .


      On the one hand, the t-50 has a larger steering surface area, and on the other, the shape of the fuselage is a compromise between aerodynamics and invisibility. Cobra and other somersaults in this particular case are almost independent of which stage engine is on the plane.
  2. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 21 May 2014 08: 57
    +3
    Good news. Russia (and earlier in the USSR) always had glider-class airplanes and engines that were not very good in terms of reliability and efficiency ... It is necessary to master advanced technologies in order to create reliable, durable and economical equipment.
    1. jovanni
      jovanni 21 May 2014 09: 02
      +5
      And avionics edge as it is necessary to tighten! Difficult, but necessary! Otherwise, they will devour ...
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 21 May 2014 11: 59
      +1
      A glider is not even a low-grade flight. This is a harmonious combination of the properties of a flight device and the movement of air mass flows. Low-potential flights are the use of mechanisms in the form of engines that allow you to counteract the energy transformations of the flight environment. Modern engines, however, should allow us to move from aero-dynamic principles of flight to electric. magnetic with control of interaction potentials on planes and vectors. All that is positioned in the article is low-potential flights, at least because there are a lot of reasons limiting the possibility of increasing traction, energy saturation, etc.
      1. fleks
        fleks 21 May 2014 13: 58
        +1
        well, it may be in the future, but now the main thing is to raise ms21 to pd14 and then return leasing Boeing and watermelon back to the owners
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 21 May 2014 14: 04
          0
          The future has already arrived. It is structurally simpler. Estimated calculations are available. We need a statistical development of information. The engine and its main working parts are manufactured in a very short time. You cannot win in a "trench war" Winning or being independent can only be achieved by having complete superiority. Priority possession of a new technology for at least a year or two will give priority for the entire subsequent period of development.
  3. saag
    saag 21 May 2014 08: 58
    +2
    when they gather everyone under one roof, one begins to pull a blanket over himself to the detriment of the others
    1. 225chay
      225chay 21 May 2014 09: 55
      -2
      Quote: saag
      when they gather everyone under one roof, one begins to pull a blanket over himself to the detriment of the others


      Pagasyan hanging pood weights hangs on the neck of the aircraft industry. never give up a bold piece
      1. fleks
        fleks 21 May 2014 14: 00
        0
        Well, what did you want, of course, the first pancake is lumpy, but in time I hope they will bring it, but for the pilot
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 21 May 2014 14: 09
          0
          Damn should not be lumpy because there is a big difference between when you own a significant supply of energy potential and simulate its distribution, or when you work with a deficit of "energy" and start to subtle, modernize, etc.
  4. jovanni
    jovanni 21 May 2014 09: 00
    0
    Let the men come to life! And then while we slept, pin.dos completely insolent.
  5. siberko
    siberko 21 May 2014 09: 02
    +2
    Quote: Wiruz
    It smells like a 360-degree cobra.

    Su27 has been able to do 360 degrees for a long time. Watch the video on the Internet http://smotri.com/video/view/?id=v1199347dbdb
  6. gandalf
    gandalf 21 May 2014 09: 02
    +1
    And instead of a heart, a fiery motor ...

    Good luck to the heart builders! soldier
  7. papont64
    papont64 21 May 2014 09: 13
    +1
    Soon we will fly on our own !!! ???
  8. Mercenary
    Mercenary 21 May 2014 09: 14
    +2
    It is high time to cast aside interdepartmental and personal conflicts and create masterpieces of engine building, powerful economical, reliable. And most importantly, we can do it. hi
  9. Giant thought
    Giant thought 21 May 2014 09: 14
    +6
    The development of the aviation industry is a clear indicator of the development of the country's industry, science, both classical and industry. After a devastating post-perestroika time, when almost everything was ruined, and by the way no one took responsibility, progress is beginning to begin, and this inspires some optimism, God forbid, that everything continues on a major note and further.
    1. 225chay
      225chay 21 May 2014 09: 58
      +2
      Quote: Thought Giant
      After a devastating post-perestroika time, when almost everything was destroyed, and by the way, nobody took responsibility,


      But it’s necessary that I’ll carry it! Punish destroyers and stranglers with fire, sword and butt (occupational therapy at logging sites) ...
  10. edeligor
    edeligor 21 May 2014 09: 18
    +13
    Aircraft engine is the most complicated device, requiring manufacturers to use the most advanced technologies. A country that has mastered the entire technological line for the production of an aircraft engine, a priori, will be considered a leading power. For example, China (with my deep respect for an ally) still cannot master the production of a modern engine, having a powerful economy and a bunch of technologies around the world. Therefore, we can not lose leadership in this area. Thank you for the article. A definite plus!
    1. 225chay
      225chay 21 May 2014 09: 59
      +3
      Quote: edeligor
      For example, China (with my deep respect for an ally) still cannot master the production of a modern engine, having a powerful economy and a bunch of technologies around the world.


      And well, that can’t!
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 21 May 2014 13: 30
        +3
        Previously, I did not pay close attention to this, but it is obvious that you need to have some potential of folk wisdom or creativity in order to create certain values. Now it’s obvious that Russia should and can be the first owner of a new technology for organizing air flow in an engine with the best possible indicators of this transformation.
        1. edeligor
          edeligor 21 May 2014 21: 41
          0
          Quote: gridasov
          organization of air flow in the engine with the best possible indicators of this conversion.

          It sounds simple, try it. The rotor blade of the engine is a product of engineering. Read what pressure this detail endures.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 21 May 2014 21: 54
            +1
            Have you noticed correctly what pressure the part can withstand? Only not pressure, but it is worth saying - "how is the potential difference formed on the outflow surface, which is represented by the blade". This means that if anyone agrees with this, it is possible to form the potential difference between the pressure air flow and the combustion chamber so that the blade will not come into contact with the fuel combustion section. I think this is very easy to understand if we consider the engine not as a product of engineering thought, but as organized algorithms for sequential physical processes of the outflow of the substance of the flow of air, fuel against the surfaces themselves. And how is this polarization formed? ionization of outflow surfaces.
            1. edeligor
              edeligor 21 May 2014 22: 44
              0
              smile
              I spoke with you as a layman. I apologize. I can be smart at the background with the sayings you have presented. But no way, tomorrow to work. With deep respect for you as a specialist, a theoretician of diabetes.
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 21 May 2014 22: 55
                0
                Yes, everything is fine. Thank you for not being rude, otherwise they usually say that I'm not healthy.
  11. bulvas
    bulvas 21 May 2014 09: 19
    +2
    It's nice to read such articles in the morning.
  12. Dbnfkmtdbx
    Dbnfkmtdbx 21 May 2014 09: 28
    +1
    I am happy for our obaronka, if only the Minister of Defense would not be returned, otherwise everything will be covered with a copper basin again
  13. Signaller
    Signaller 21 May 2014 09: 35
    +4
    Yes, of course you need to revive. Motor Sich will leave us and our ideas on helicopters cried. We ourselves can only make 500 sets of VK-2500 (TVZ-117VMA-SBZ), but we need 2000.-Infa from print. You won’t think so. Success in your endeavors.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 21 May 2014 12: 07
      +1
      Do not be afraid and upset. Ukraine will remain with its problems alone. Progress is driven by the need and desire to be strong and independent. If Russia wants this, then the question will be resolved. Moreover, there are innovative solutions for transferring helicopters to new fundamental movers
  14. wizarden
    wizarden 21 May 2014 09: 35
    +4
    An aircraft engine is the most important thing in an airplane. And it must be 100% ours. The story when we were not allowed to sell our Tu-204 aircraft to Iran, because it has a joint development engine with pratiutni taught it a lot. I hold my fists, I really hope that they will bring it to an end.
  15. upasika1918
    upasika1918 21 May 2014 09: 40
    +3
    These people are our INTELLIGENCE. Designers, engineers, highly qualified workers. Dancers, talkers, scribblers, graphomaniacs, veneers and other masters of verbiage are just servants, they have appropriated the title "conscience, salt, the brain of the people."
    1. 225chay
      225chay 21 May 2014 10: 02
      +1
      Quote: upasika1918
      Dancers, talkers, scribblers, graphomaniacs, veneers and other masters of verbiage are just servants, they have appropriated the title of "conscience, salt, the brain of the people."


      These are clowns and buffoons. their place in the circus, but for some reason they constantly graze at awards in the Kremlin
  16. Bayonet
    Bayonet 21 May 2014 10: 01
    +3
    Good news! Perhaps PD-14 will be good, but there is already a similar NK-93, flown around and with higher characteristics. Can it be brought to perfection and put into production? The situation is somewhat reminiscent of the fate of the excellent strategic bomber "Sotka", instead of which Tu-160 was chosen for opportunistic reasons.
    1. sasha-bort
      sasha-bort 21 May 2014 11: 48
      +3
      The article also says that it is easier to make a new engine for new and future standards. And NK-93 is excess in traction for the MS-21
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 21 May 2014 12: 47
        +1
        For MS - yes, but for the modernization of existing and promising heavy ones - that's it!
        1. sasha-bort
          sasha-bort 21 May 2014 13: 57
          0
          I wrote about it below
  17. Pacifist
    Pacifist 21 May 2014 10: 01
    +3
    Really pleased. I have long been waiting for news from science and technologists. Well done! good
  18. Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov 21 May 2014 10: 07
    0
    Slowly we are crawling out of the crisis. But it’s also important that the engines for civilian aircraft be competitive, because the competition in the civilian aircraft industry is off-scale, it’s very difficult for new players to master and gain a foothold there. Well, on the whole, the dynamics are positive, we can only hope and wish, so that everything continues in the same spirit!
  19. Fin
    Fin 21 May 2014 10: 08
    +3
    started because scientists convinced Vladimir Putin

    Why should the king decide again? And all these Manturovs, Poghosyans continue to move foreigners? Zadolbali various ministers "liquidation of industry".
  20. anfreezer
    anfreezer 21 May 2014 10: 18
    +3
    Bayonet "The news is good! Perhaps the PD-14 will be good, but there is already a similar NK-93 .."Rather, I was already, I became a victim of economic, opportunistic and lobbying troubles ... So this fair wind and a happy fate. ..a NK-93 handsome of course ...
    1. sasha-bort
      sasha-bort 21 May 2014 11: 43
      +3
      NK-93 is more powerful for larger aircraft. For the MS-21, it is redundant and the resource is less and the consumption is greater in comparison with the declared characteristics of the PD-14.
  21. San_aa
    San_aa 21 May 2014 10: 39
    0
    Any high-tech industry, and aircraft and engine building are related to it, will attract many innovations. In the USSR, they spared nothing for military aviation, so the engines were voracious. That was their only flaw. The issue of traction over 1 was resolved in the 70s and it was a breakthrough. Civil aviation was worse. All that could be kept secret and military technology was closed. Let's hope the Russian aircraft engines BE.
  22. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 21 May 2014 11: 07
    0
    According to the program, a three-fold increase in aircraft manufacturing revenues is expected - from 504 billion to 1,776 trillion rubles.

    an almost tenfold increase in labor productivity is planned - from 1,5 million to 14,5 million rubles per person

    As far as I am versed in arithmetic, these numbers mean a threefold reduction in the number of employees. Where do we start?
    VIAM General Director Academician Yevgeny Kablov recalled that funding for the creation of the PD-14 program began thanks to the fact that scientists convinced Vladimir Putin of the ability of domestic manufacturers to create a competitive engine for MS-21: “If there had not been a conversation with the President during his visit to the exhibition in VIAM, it would hardly have been possible to get 12,8 a billion rubles of budget funds in order to start the implementation of the PD-2008 program in 14 ”.

    To understand who the scientists had not convinced, although this is part of his official duties and take organizational measures. But here, it seems, without the president, too, can not do.
    1. Nonik
      Nonik 21 May 2014 14: 51
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      Quote: Mikhail M
      As far as I am versed in arithmetic, these numbers mean a threefold reduction in the number of employees. Where do we start?

      Orders will obviously be inundated. Therefore - no, no abbreviations.
  23. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 21 May 2014 11: 16
    0
    Oh, how this layer between the people and the president is harming the well-being of Russia, in our country that the FSB is gone, or there is mutual responsibility.
    1. Dan Slav
      Dan Slav 21 May 2014 11: 58
      0
      Could the USSR have collapsed if special services had not participated in this business? KGB and GRU.
      It was absolutely not real.
      Well, about the good king, the people heard in 1905. He bowed to him and sought protection.
      And his machine guns and Cossacks with sabers.
      Do you think something has changed?
    2. fleks
      fleks 21 May 2014 14: 07
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      I don’t understand what are you talking about?
  24. gridasov
    gridasov 21 May 2014 11: 50
    -1
    Bullshit, there are no new engines. Because it is based on the wrong physical principle of constructing an algorithm for organizing a dynamic flow.
    1. fleks
      fleks 21 May 2014 14: 11
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      you dear something rave about fiction, and new in this engine is a higher temperature of the hot part of the engine, and for this new materials are created and, accordingly, a new design of the blades and much more
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 21 May 2014 14: 18
        -2
        It’s you, dear, that you don’t even try to understand what’s in the polarization circuit, like email. magnetic field high temperature is local space, as part of the engine, is part of this email. magnetic field. Then I’m afraid to uselessly tell everything all the same - as always. The invention of epithets will begin. In any case, we are openly talking about this, and the perspicacious will take advantage.
  25. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 21 May 2014 11: 51
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    Great news. And then the main news from the zomboyashik type Everything is gone, boss, how will we continue to live am
  26. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 21 May 2014 11: 53
    +5
    It seems that people move their fingers in the sky.
    Figures, pieces, united concerns, tenfold growth.
    Who will achieve all this?
    No workers. Normal and qualified. There are no competent engineers. Old frames are gone. Entire industries and technologies have been lost. Lost many production documents. The last samples of the military-industrial complex of the USSR were sold and destroyed.
    Now I will open the window and you will listen to the silence of the Klimov plant. It is they who produce engines for helicopters. There is a plant nearby.
    You need to start from scratch. From schools and technical schools. From institutes. With KB.
    Youth to attract and invite. Transfer knowledge that still remains.
    Maybe you can’t puff out your cheeks and buy a couple of licenses to produce good engines.
    And so? Stole and saw money. And disappear. And we, with this, can also disappear with this.
    I would like to make a mistake!
    1. fleks
      fleks 21 May 2014 14: 14
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      maybe you're wrong, because the factory in Rybinsk is working and PD14 is going to do perm in general
  27. PRN
    PRN 21 May 2014 12: 05
    +2
    All that is said is good, but that is not said: imported sensors are installed on the AL-31F (on the Su-27, etc.), the “production 117” and “product 30” are probably the same, the production technology is D30-F6 (on MiG-31) - lost, although there are a number of repaired engines in warehouses, on TV3-117 ... it is also VK-2500 (almost all helicopters) of Russian assembly, up to 40% are imported components, the cost of the PS-90 kit (replacement D30KP, IL-76) is comparable to the cost of the entire remaining aircraft.
    Quote: 225chay
    Pagasyan hanging pood weights hangs on the neck of the aircraft industry. never give up a bold piece
    everything is said correctly. You can minus, but the expert knows better. Therefore, all the main work is yet to come.
  28. anfreezer
    anfreezer 21 May 2014 12: 39
    +2
    Dan Slav "Now I will open the window and you will listen to the silence of the Klimov plant." And at my place UMPO is noisy and still noisy .... but when leaving the factory shift it’s better not to get out-knocked down .. So it’s not so bad. The truth about qualified personnel is yes, they are constantly required.
  29. Irokez
    Irokez 21 May 2014 12: 49
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    It’s good when there is work - it’s bad when it is not.
  30. GRune
    GRune 21 May 2014 12: 58
    +4
    wide blade technology
    Wide blade error ...
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 21 May 2014 13: 38
      -1
      there are no fundamentally illogical algorithms for flow vectors. The fact is that the maximum stressed potential of the air or liquid flow is the gradient of the tension of the email. magnetic field. In other words, you cannot simply create the most productive flow outflow without creating the maximum possible, for the substance of this flow, el. a magnetic field. In other words, it is possible to modernize and cool the blades and create new materials for a thousand years, and things will not budge. The solution is simple. An alternating magnetic field creates a variable flux density. This is the way for the so-called nuclear reactions in any substance of the stream to convert this stream into "fuel". By the way, hydrocarbons have far from the best fuel indicators.
  31. crambol
    crambol 21 May 2014 13: 12
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    Reliability of aircraft for 200 thousand hours of flight should be determined by one turning off. "Such a frequency shutdown - This is a pass to the elite engine block.


    It is not clear what is at stake? What kind of shutdowns is this? And why should there be one?
    1. fleks
      fleks 21 May 2014 14: 21
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      I would like to clarify - the author means the MTBF and the engine resource in hours - so here he folded it several times, for example, the AI20 resource was about 8000 hours and then renewed, and then for those 200 000 hours - fantastic
  32. Glavmec
    Glavmec 21 May 2014 15: 28
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    Quote: Wiruz
    Hurry to see the serial Su-50 with engines of the second stage. It smells like a 360 degree cobra smile .

    There will probably not be a Su-50: since the 30s, fighters have odd indices, even bombers have even numbers on the Su-25 and Su-30, but the Su-30 is an export machine. repeat