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Tragedy in the Moscow region

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The tragedy occurred on one of the railway spans of the Moscow region (distilled Bekasovo-Naro-Fominsk). Passenger train №341 Moscow-Chisinau collided with a freight train.Interfax with reference to the Moscow Region Ministry of Health, reports that as a result of a train collision, the number of victims reached 50 people. In this case, doctors say that the announced number is not final.
Tragedy in the Moscow region

Five people who were in the most affected car died. Several emergency services wounded by helicopters were taken to the intensive care unit of Moscow hospitals. A few more victims were placed in the hospital of the city of Naro-Fominsk.
News agencies have reported that a train collision occurred during the day on May 20 in approximately 80 km from the capital. The Emergencies Ministry said that the cause of the collision was the derailment of several wagons from the rail track. The brunt took one of the central cars of the 341 train. In total, there were about 400 people in the passenger train.
According to preliminary data, in one of the cargo platforms of a freight train, a malfunction proved itself, which was the beginning of the tragic events. The EMERCOM of Russia claims that the freight train belongs to one of the Ukrainian carriers and, according to Russian Railways, transported spare parts for the Renault plant from Romania. The depreciation of the cargo platforms of the train is confirmed by the employees of the Russian Railways who work at the accident site.
According to another version, the cause of the tragedy could be a deformed rail.
Vladimir Puchkov, Minister of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation, and Anatol Patrascu, Consul of the Republic of Moldova, left for the state of emergency.
In connection with the accident, the schedule of movement of trains on the Kiev direction was revised.
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Anna Skudaeva, RIA Novosti
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  2. Unknown
    Unknown 20 May 2014 16: 12
    +21
    Just be silent !!!
    1. I am
      I am 20 May 2014 17: 20
      +1
      Yes. Better to be silent. I feel sorry for people. When will they begin to service the equipment normally, and not on paper ............
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 20 May 2014 17: 22
        +2
        Quote: I am
        Yes. Better to be silent. I feel sorry for people. When will they begin to service the equipment normally, and not on paper ............


        And again, the Ukrainians ...
        1. Gloria45
          Gloria45 20 May 2014 18: 52
          +1
          The freight train rammed the train came from Lviv. Romanian-made auto parts were transported on platforms and containers.


          Investigators found that the freight train that was responsible for the major catastrophe in the Kiev direction of the railway in the Naro-Fominsk region was formed in the Lviv region of Ukraine. Romanian-made auto parts were transported on platforms and containers.

          The Ukrainian side was fully responsible for the technical condition and operation of the product. However, according to law enforcement officials, due control was not respected.

          According to preliminary data, one wheel pair burst due to extreme wear. A timely check of the technical condition could prevent a catastrophe that led to the death of 5 people and injuries more than 20.

          In turn, the passenger train driver Anton Ivanov tried to avoid a collision. According to him, from afar he saw a cloud of dust rising above one of the train cars.

          “We walked at a speed of 95 km per hour, and when I saw the approaching freight train along the right curve, I saw dust rising from under his car,” the railwayman says.

          When the trains approached, Anton Ivanov noticed that one of the wagon trolleys suddenly began to move to the side in the direction of the passenger train. He tried to apply emergency braking, but the accelerated multi-ton composition could not be stopped so easily. The freight train eventually hooked the seventh and eighth wagons with passengers.

          http://lifenews.ru/news/133529
          1. anfil
            anfil 20 May 2014 21: 55
            0
            According to preliminary data, one wheel pair burst due to extreme wear. A timely check of the technical condition could prevent a catastrophe that led to the death of 5 people and injuries more than 20.


            The main thing for our press is to submit fried news, Ukraine is to blame, but that the car passed from the Ukrainian border almost to Moscow doesn’t mean anything ?!
            If the car was so malfunctioning, why was it on the train ?!

            GENERAL
            3.1.1 The maintenance of the cars is carried out in accordance with the Instructions for the maintenance of cars in operation TsV-TsL-408 and the documents, orders, orders and instructions of JSC "Russian Railways" specified therein on the basis of the technological process of the PTO and the station.
            3.1.2 At freight train forming stations, marshalling yards, stations sharing adjacent warranty areas, at interstate wagon transfer points, maintenance is carried out with a slip. Inspection scheme of equipment with a slope for the 4-axle car is shown in the figure 3.1
    2. Aryan
      Aryan 20 May 2014 18: 51
      +3
      List of injured:

      1. Ganenko K. from Moldova - Naro-Fominsk RB.
      2. Gaidei L., born in 1964, from Moldova - Naro-Fominsk RB.
      3. Lungulyak E., born in 1970, from Moldova - Naro-Fominsk RB.
      4. Gaidei N., born in 1962, from Moldova - Naro-Fominsk RB.
      5. Dykov F., born in 1973, from Moldova - Naro-Fominsk RB.
      6. Nanashev V., born in 1979, from Moldova - Selyatinskaya RB.
      7. Pleshko R., born in 1957, from Bryansk - Selyatinskaya RB.
      8. Pleshko O., born in 1956, from Bryansk - Selyatinskaya RB.
      9. Sazhina D., born in 1996, from the Moscow region - Selyatinsk RB.
      10. Kvasivka L., born in 1960, from Moldova - Selyatinskaya RB.
      11. Natalya R., 10 years from Moscow - Research Institute of Pediatric Surgery and Traumatology.
      12. An unknown woman, taken to the intensive care unit of the Naro-Fominsk hospital.
      13. Unknown man sent to intensive care unit of Naro-Fominsk RB.
      14. Liveruk A., born in 1978 - is at the Sklifosovsky Research Institute.
      15. Pleshkov V., born in 1996, in serious condition - delivered to the Sklifosovsky Research Institute.
      16. Karoyan V., born in 1967, serious condition - delivered to City Hospital No. 36.
      17. Batrynyak N., born in 1966, serious condition - City Clinical Hospital No. 36.
      18. Deikalo I., born in 1976, in critical condition, delivered to City Clinical Hospital No. 7.
      19. Jalbe E., born in 1983, in serious condition was sent to State Clinical Hospital No. 7.

      http://point.md/ru/novosti/proisshestviya/opublikovan-spisok-ranenih-v-rezuljtat
      e-krusheniya-poezdov-v-podmoskovje
      1. blackberry
        blackberry 20 May 2014 18: 59
        +3
        Quote: Aryan
        List of injured:

        It looks like all Moldovans. Poor guys, in a foreign country, with such injuries, there are no relatives close to take care of ....
        1. vo.dum
          vo.dum 21 May 2014 00: 49
          0
          They will come .... it’s not customary to leave their people in trouble .... relatives will borrow money and come ...
          1. blackberry
            blackberry 21 May 2014 07: 21
            0
            Quote: vo.dum
            They will come .... it’s not customary to leave their people in trouble .... relatives will borrow money and come ...

            I’m talking about that - and not from the rich, and so, unfortunately, there is still an appendage, the relatives will have to borrow money. I felt sorry for the people.
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        3. Aryan
          Aryan 21 May 2014 01: 14
          0
          It looks like all Moldovans. Poor guys, in a foreign country, with such injuries, there are no relatives close to take care of ....


          our simple hard-working guest workers often get to Moscow by bus, but recently one also got into an accident on the border of Ukraine and Russia,
          because of Ukraine, now it seems safer by train ...
          It was...
  3. aleks 62
    aleks 62 20 May 2014 16: 13
    +12
    .... Your mother !!!!! .... Again defective wagon axles put .... People feel sorry ....
    1. MOISEY
      MOISEY 20 May 2014 16: 22
      +9
      Here it is - the collapse of Ukrainian heavy engineering. The innocent end up suffering.
      1. lexxxus
        lexxxus 20 May 2014 16: 27
        +12
        Note: most of the component trolleys for freight cars (in particular, the side frame in which the wheelset is mounted) are made in Ukraine. And most accidents are due to their fault. Most often due to a break in the cast.
        1. Vlad Gore
          Vlad Gore 20 May 2014 16: 33
          +3
          The freight train was coming from Ukraine. The malfunction could have been artificially made. Especially considering the current situation.
          1. antiput
            antiput 20 May 2014 17: 03
            +6
            paranoia !!!!!
          2. nikrandel
            nikrandel 20 May 2014 17: 05
            +5
            Maybe, but hardly.
            The state of this composition directly speaks of the state of Ukraine itself ...
            As always, ordinary people suffer from the greed of some officials.
          3. alone
            alone 20 May 2014 19: 16
            0
            Quote: Vlad Gore
            The freight train was coming from Ukraine. The malfunction could have been artificially made. Especially considering the current situation.

            You can only make a malfunction artificially in a railroad with a land mine under a rail. An axis malfunction is not a radio-controlled bomb for you. There could be problems in the rails as well. The human factor cannot be ruled out. In general, they will sort it out and say what's what.
            Close to the deceased are condolences and patience, and the wounded speedy recovery.
            hi
        2. marshes
          marshes 20 May 2014 16: 39
          0
          May I ask?
          And in which region are the trolleys made? We also have wagons off the rail in Kazakhstan. We do not have our own production of trolleys, they all order in the Russian Federation.
          1. blackberry
            blackberry 20 May 2014 18: 13
            +3
            Quote: marshes
            May I ask?
            And in which region are the trolleys made? We also have wagons off the rail in Kazakhstan. We do not have our own production of trolleys, they all order in the Russian Federation.

            Why not. AZTM and ZIKSTO had a contract for the repair of all freight carts. At AZTM, this production was owned in half by Eurasians and KTZ, ZIKSTO was a state-owned package in the management of Kazakhstan engineering, now the Ministry of Defense, probably. And at the ZIKSTO the vest was torn that they themselves could collect these carts. But Orazbakov came and I don’t know anymore, I probably sold it for cheap to the Eurasians. But those cargo fleet is very large, they need to be repaired in any way.
            1. marshes
              marshes 20 May 2014 18: 21
              +1
              Now mostly carts from Altai go.
              And the rest can be put, rudely but so.
          2. vietnam7
            vietnam7 20 May 2014 18: 21
            +2
            Carts are being poured by all and sundry, most likely they are coming to you from the Urals. Recently there was a case of counterfeit casting near Yekaterinburg. The reasons for the descent are many. Rails burst, wheelset bandages, etc.
            1. 77bob1973
              77bob1973 20 May 2014 19: 09
              +1
              The rails burst mainly in winter, and given the weather conditions in the Moscow region, there is just a banal "throwing out the path" and these are questions for the railway workers - there is no one to disperse joints!
          3. Committee
            Committee 20 May 2014 18: 31
            +1
            Quote: marshes
            May I ask?
            Nizhny Tagil
            1. marshes
              marshes 20 May 2014 18: 41
              0
              Quote: Committee
              Nizhny Tagil

              Nizhny Tagil? And not Mariupl? What kind of republic is marked? Krivoruka?
              Do not be surprised that China is more popular with us, not cooperatives ...
              1. blackberry
                blackberry 20 May 2014 19: 15
                +3
                Quote: marshes
                Quote: Committee
                Nizhny Tagil

                Nizhny Tagil? And not Mariupl? What kind of republic is marked? Krivoruka?
                Do not be surprised that China is more popular with us, not cooperatives ...

                I do not really understand you. What is bad Nizhny Tagil in principle? They cooked metal when we were not yet in the world. And the Chinese are still pouring metal into earthen gutters, even in northern factories. Not at all, of course, but who at the state level has the blessing not to abide by the technical regulations for exported goods is brave Chinese.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 20 May 2014 19: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: blackberry
                  these are brave Chinese.

                  These brave Chinese have gone far ... already make high-frequency spindle and stepper motors, which are not here or there ...
                  By the way, you can collect on "knees",
                  These are so games ...
                  1. blackberry
                    blackberry 20 May 2014 19: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: marshes
                    Quote: blackberry
                    these are brave Chinese.

                    These brave Chinese have gone far ... already make high-frequency spindle and stepper motors, which are not here or there ......

                    This has nothing to do with my post. What they can do and what they sell to you does not have to coincide by default, they understand this, they are completely positive, from the youngest janitor to the head of the party. That's exactly what I said. And you did not answer, what is bad about Nizhny Tagil.
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 20 May 2014 20: 21
                      -2
                      Quote: blackberry
                      . And you did not answer, what is bad about Nizhny Tagil.

                      What is Good? What will it give for Kazakhstan?
                      In addition to upgrades to the T-72.
                      1. blackberry
                        blackberry 21 May 2014 07: 17
                        0
                        Quote: marshes
                        Quote: blackberry
                        . And you did not answer, what is bad about Nizhny Tagil.

                        What is Good? What will it give for Kazakhstan?
                        In addition to upgrades to the T-72.

                        so we kind of discussed the production of wagon trolleys. And you wanted something besides this?
        3. 77bob1973
          77bob1973 20 May 2014 19: 04
          +1
          Six years ago, Russian Railways refused to buy bearings of Ukrainian production, all the savings for the sake of further more, these are the "first signs" because the bearings already purchased went into business.
      2. avt
        avt 20 May 2014 17: 18
        +5
        [quote = MOISEY] Here it is - the collapse of the Ukrainian heavy engineering. [/ quote]
        In Moscow, the Metro cars are so old that thanks at least not from the time of Stalin. Somehow I noticed - paired, vertical, red features are drawn over the wheelsets of some cars. I became interested, knowledgeable guys said that the wheelset is not even repairable, that is, the car is already in emergency, not to mention how the old cables just burn ./------ Could and be artificially made. [/ Quote] /
        And in Moscow they reveal and put the marks with red paint - we also write to the right sector ??? Guys, of course, the first thing they check for is a sabotage act, but the deterioration of the rolling stock is huge! I've been in the Moscow Region new, well, except for the express train, and then only in Sheremetyevo, I have not seen new cars, only old ones after repainting are repainted.
        1. Nonik
          Nonik 20 May 2014 18: 08
          -1
          Quote: avt
          I've been in the Moscow Region new, well, except for the express train, and then only in Sheremetyevo, I have not seen new cars, only old ones after repainting are repainted.
          Why is that? I rarely meet old passengers. As for the cargo - I don't know, since I'm not a specialist in terms of appearance to determine old age or youth - they are almost the same since the time of the "king of the pea". I saw an old train only in Lviv.
        2. Slotxnumx
          Slotxnumx 20 May 2014 18: 13
          0
          The Moscow Metro seems to be about to announce a tender for the supply of wagons, the price of the tender is 500 mln rubles, sort of))))
        3. 77bob1973
          77bob1973 20 May 2014 19: 14
          +2
          Red and white marks on the manual gearbox is the designation of the cores on the bandage and the wheel center (approach part) when they are shifted, the weakening of the bandage is determined and then sent immediately for repair.
          1. avt
            avt 20 May 2014 19: 47
            0
            Quote: 77bob1973
            Red and white marks on the CP is the designation of the cores on the bandage and the wheel center (underside)

            Only the red stripes and on board the car at the very bottom, not on the gearbox, there is no white. By the way, this year I met only a couple of times and then on unloaded lines. And the most killed cars were on the Filevskaya and Arbatsko-Pokrovskaya lines, where the trains, as on the ring, were completely changed, but it was painfully shrill brakes and did not see any new projects.
            Quote: NoNick
            I saw an old train only in Lviv.

            A hike with a round "muzzle" and wooden seats? Well, these have already been removed from the Kubinka-Akulovo line, I have not seen it for three years, or maybe more, but they only repainted them from green to gray-red.
            1. northern
              northern 20 May 2014 20: 52
              +2
              In St. Petersburg there are several round-mouthed, in excellent condition
              1. Nonik
                Nonik 21 May 2014 14: 28
                0
                Quote: north
                In St. Petersburg there are several round-mouthed, in excellent condition

                So he looks like new) And inside there did not change anything? Seats
            2. northern
              northern 20 May 2014 21: 00
              +1
              Red features on the carriage this means reinforcing the pivot beam
        4. northern
          northern 20 May 2014 20: 49
          0
          Red features-strengthening of the pivot beam, wheel sets have nothing to do with it
    2. bulvas
      bulvas 20 May 2014 17: 19
      +3
      Quote: aleks 62
      . Again defective wagon axles set ....



      The diversion, the beginning of the guerrilla war declared by Yarosh.

      I am sure they will find traces.
      Send a group to detain and deliver to the court of the Russian Federation Yarosh and all those involved in the sabotage.

      (I am sure that this is exactly what the Americans would have done. We must adopt all the useful things from our enemies)
    3. BTR 80
      BTR 80 20 May 2014 17: 55
      +1
      kink of the side of the trolley.
    4. vietnam7
      vietnam7 20 May 2014 18: 15
      +1
      At the car, the axle goes along with the wheels as a unit, the marriage has often come across in the molding of trolleys produced in Ukraine, though before that on tanks.
  4. Georgic
    Georgic 20 May 2014 16: 16
    +5
    A speedy recovery to the victims!
  5. asar
    asar 20 May 2014 16: 16
    +3
    Rest in peace to the lost! Again the "human factor"! Victims Again! Not in the war! "Deterioration of transport" and that's it! And the money intended for audit, daily inspection, apparently already "settled" in the next "offshore"! Not this way?!
  6. lexxxus
    lexxxus 20 May 2014 16: 16
    +3
    ... It is already gaining regularity. Mostly with freight cars. It's time to change the fleet of cars to modern ones!
    ... I feel sorry for people ...
    1. Slotxnumx
      Slotxnumx 20 May 2014 18: 17
      +2
      A wagon is a constructor, and gathering is always a marriage of a trolley ... and a trolley consists of side frames, a sprung beam and wheelsets (I don’t write small things).
      Now look at the root, that is the reason. It is necessary not only to change the cars, but the system.
    2. vietnam7
      vietnam7 20 May 2014 18: 27
      +3
      The fleet has just become modern, only before the MPS wagons owned control from production to operation, now all the wagons belong to the owners (mainly banks), hence paper repairs and spare parts are cheaper - where you can forget about the security business.
      1. Slotxnumx
        Slotxnumx 20 May 2014 18: 44
        +1
        A bit wrong, not to banks, but to private operators of rolling stock))) Which shareholders have garters in Russian Railways and register companies in Cyprus.
        1. vietnam7
          vietnam7 20 May 2014 19: 11
          +1
          Just the banks stencil on the cars: the owner of VTB or Sberbank, and they are leasing it to private operators. In any case, the ends can not be found.
  7. Yellow white
    Yellow white 20 May 2014 16: 16
    +8
    A speedy recovery to the victims!
    Relatives of the victims, courage and patience.
    The deceased, the earth rest in peace ...
  8. Giant thought
    Giant thought 20 May 2014 16: 16
    +4
    What a misfortune! Sincere condolences to the relatives of the victims! We all walk under God. If this is all the same deformed rail caused the accident, then, of course, an accident. And if the attack, the reptiles will have to be found.
  9. marshes
    marshes 20 May 2014 16: 18
    +4
    I wish the victims a quick recovery!
  10. ksv1973
    ksv1973 20 May 2014 16: 19
    +4
    Once again, because of someone’s negligence and sloppiness, people die and suffer. To the dead - a blessed memory, to the victims - a speedy recovery.
  11. Gagarin
    Gagarin 20 May 2014 16: 19
    +6
    MY CONDOLENCES.
  12. mig31
    mig31 20 May 2014 16: 22
    +1
    Again, everything is connected with Ukraine, wheelsets, they say from there ...
  13. tokin1959
    tokin1959 20 May 2014 16: 22
    +2
    Ukrainian wagons - most likely - sabotage, as with the launch of Proton
  14. Dedjara
    Dedjara 20 May 2014 16: 22
    +2
    As they just reported on TV, the oncoming freight was coming from Ukraine. Naturally the same worn out as all their equipment.
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 20 May 2014 16: 37
      +3

      DedJara SU  Today, 16: 22
      As they just reported on TV, the oncoming freight was coming from Ukraine. Naturally as worn as the whole their technique


      ,,, to be honest, in Russia the situation with the rolling stock fleet is not better, take my word for it, over the past 20 years the railway facilities have been so fragmented and most of the service functions have been transferred to private shops where no one, for no reason not responding.

      ,,, but the "classic switchman" will be to blame for this tragedy, in this case a broken rail (and who did not see it behind it) ,,, request

      ,,, and there are much more tragedies on railway transport (including fatal ones), they only go through the internal messages of Russian Railways, and they don’t get a word in the media ,,, recourse
      1. saigon
        saigon 20 May 2014 17: 13
        +5
        In recent years, Russian Railways tightened rolling stock repairs. There is no conclusion on the accident yet, and already a lot of comments and the most fun from non-specialists. No need to look for what is missing Yes, there were cases of kinks in the sidewalls of the carts and yes they are Ukrainian-made. And the wheelsets are made in Russia .80 km from Moscow there was a train not just one of our stations where they were inspecting it. So I do not believe in sabotage.
        1. vietnam7
          vietnam7 20 May 2014 18: 31
          0
          They inspect the train at departure, most of the stations went by, PANABA (automatic detection of axle box heating) can work there maximum, they have not yet learned how to perform flaw detection on the go.
      2. saigon
        saigon 20 May 2014 17: 13
        +1
        In recent years, Russian Railways tightened rolling stock repairs. There is no conclusion on the accident yet, and already a lot of comments and the most fun from non-specialists. No need to look for what is missing Yes, there were cases of kinks in the sidewalls of the carts and yes they are Ukrainian-made. And the wheelsets are made in Russia .80 km from Moscow there was a train not just one of our stations where they were inspecting it. So I do not believe in sabotage.
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  15. Deadmen
    Deadmen 20 May 2014 16: 23
    +1
    Well, how is it that someone has not inspected.
  16. asar
    asar 20 May 2014 16: 24
    +7
    There is no sabotage, just slobliness, negligence and blasphemy with pofigizmom!
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter 20 May 2014 16: 39
      +2
      For such negligence, sloppiness, racket and irresponsibility, there should be punishment for sabotage and terrorism, only when order begins to appear for accidents, anyway where they will punish specific people. . The people have ceased to be afraid, some think and not without reason that they can always pay off, others hide behind the words how they pay and work. And the worst thing is that the reserve inherited from the USSR has almost run out.
  17. Sterlya
    Sterlya 20 May 2014 16: 29
    +4
    You can not let Ukrainian trains into Russia. it's life threatening
  18. jovanni
    jovanni 20 May 2014 16: 31
    +4
    Well, well, damn it! Sorry for the people ...
  19. Boomer
    Boomer 20 May 2014 16: 31
    +1
    No words, it's just tin !!!
  20. Vlad Gore
    Vlad Gore 20 May 2014 16: 35
    0
    Quote: tokin1959
    Ukrainian wagons - most likely - sabotage, as with the launch of Proton

    I agree. The probability is greater than ever.
  21. Alejandro
    Alejandro 20 May 2014 16: 35
    +1
    Judging by the pictures, it's still in the canvas. The heat has done its job.
  22. CHILD
    CHILD 20 May 2014 16: 39
    +1
    TAKE THE LORD ...
  23. tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 20 May 2014 16: 39
    0
    The commodity was coming from the territory of Ukraine, and in the current situation it is very possible that a deliberately created malfunction is possible, with the expectation that this will happen somewhere on our territory.
  24. anfreezer
    anfreezer 20 May 2014 16: 46
    +1
    The whole world invests a lot of money in the construction and renovation of such parts of infrastructure as auto and railway roads, and with the result ... If we do invest, then almost nothing changes, but mostly some kind of money-boxes like a stub-mab- funds ... Probably it is necessary, I am not an economist, but we will stay with these "funds" in the near future in the middle of the new Jurassic period ... we and the emptiness around ... an apocalyptic picture, but at such a pace we will reach it sad... Condolences to the relatives of the dead.
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    2. 97110
      97110 20 May 2014 17: 57
      +5
      Dear, if there is a minute, get out on the way and look at the cars. There is a manufacturing date. Russian in green (or red) And do not talk about junk, etc. - a lot of new ones. And they keep the main move. Already shouted - wheelsets - that, the words are beautiful. Just a couple of comments on the case, it is clear that people are aware and the fracture of the frame of the trolley and other real reasons. People died - well, shut up.
  25. sazhka4
    sazhka4 20 May 2014 16: 46
    -3
    Station, train station, paths ... Exactly .. Putin is to blame for everything. There is no one else. He went to Slavinsk and at the same time exported gold from the outskirts. Well, on the way, and ran into ... Horror ..!
  26. Arh
    Arh 20 May 2014 16: 47
    +1
    I don’t even know what to say (silence) !!!
    1. sazhka4
      sazhka4 20 May 2014 17: 13
      0
      Quote: Arh
      I don’t even know what to say (silence) !!!

      Probably already crouched .. On the roads, more than a year dies more than We lost in Afghanistan for 10 years .. A shock condition is inappropriate ..
      1. Arh
        Arh 20 May 2014 17: 22
        -1
        Quote: sazhka4

        Probably already crouched ..

        You Eat On The Ears !!!
  27. Agent 008
    Agent 008 20 May 2014 16: 48
    -6
    I think the number of disasters and misfortunes will increase at times! I explain: innocent Slavic-Russian people are being killed nearby in Ukraine, and Russia looks at it indifferently ... But God sees everything! We think we can sit out, let each other be cut, and then we will take everything with our bare hands, all we need ... No guys, God also punishes us for inaction! And I also express my condolences to the victims!
    1. I am
      I am 20 May 2014 17: 23
      +2
      Shut up please. Rescue and help is possible only for those who want to be saved and helped. And in this context, talk about problems in Ukraine is inappropriate !!!!!
    2. northern
      northern 20 May 2014 19: 47
      0
      Following your logic, whom and for what God punishes, so instead of America there should be a strait for a long time. Save your otherworldly conclusions. Here people died.
  28. shelva
    shelva 20 May 2014 16: 51
    +2
    The switchman is to blame.
    1. Slotxnumx
      Slotxnumx 20 May 2014 18: 00
      +1
      What a switchman, what are you talking about! There was a gathering of the platform, at that moment the passenger train was following on the opposite path, judging by the edge of the container, it tore up the passenger car. I’ll post it later.
      They consider 3 reasons, such as a kink in the side frame, a kink in the wheelset, and the condition of the track, although Russian Railways will never write to itself, especially the victims.
  29. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 20 May 2014 17: 11
    0
    There is no question of a worn out rail, this is a strategic direction, they are being systematically changed there, I personally observed. In that place dozens of trains pass daily. The problem is in the lineup, I think so.
  30. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 20 May 2014 17: 15
    +2
    Condolences to the family, land rest in peace ...
    It does not fit in the head. People just rode the train, and ... DIED. Some absurdity ...
  31. fzr1000
    fzr1000 20 May 2014 17: 41
    +1
    5 dead, 6 heavy. Earth rest in peace, survivors, strength and health. I wonder who will be in charge.
    1. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL 20 May 2014 18: 05
      +1
      Quote: fzr1000
      5 dead, 6 heavy. Earth rest in peace, survivors, strength and health. I wonder who will be in charge.

      There are six dead!
      How ridiculous, not in war, they rode the train and the one on you!
      The earth will rest in peace!
      1. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 20 May 2014 18: 27
        0
        The main version is
        The Investigative Committee of Russia named the main version of the collision of trains in the Moscow region. According to the agency, a container detachment in a freight train led to the tragedy.
        The official representative of the Investigative Committee, Vladimir Markin, said that the separation of the container in the freight train is the main version of the railway accident in the suburbs. According to him, the container disconnected from the freight train bound for Moscow, on the Bekasovo-1 - Naro-Fominsk section, and flew off into the passenger train traveling in the opposite direction.
  32. Slotxnumx
    Slotxnumx 20 May 2014 17: 52
    +10
    As a person who worked for 5 years in a company that supplied spare parts for railway cars, and now I work in a car depot, I will say this- Even if these fitting platforms underwent depot repair in Ukraine, in April this year, this is expected, against the backdrop of recent events. .. how the depots function there, who makes repairs is generally not clear. At the transition stations, inspectors should work like damned!
    As for Russia ... every year we have 10-15 train departures, and silence, and only for a fortunate occasion at that moment there were no passenger trains on the opposite track ... In the Kirov region not so long ago 15 gas tanks were burning, Trans-Baikal road gondola wagons ... and so on!
    Russian Railways need to be taken in one place, private depots work for quantity, sometimes losing in quality, and the last 2 years there was a shortage of quality parts (namely casting) and new parts cost 100 rubles, because the operators want to save ... they searched for cheaper , and often with a murky origin, and in many depots they didn’t even know what was happening, what kind of casting they were taking, as a result it later became clear that the part with the same number was on different cars! How could this be? Turn on the fantasy ... Not so long ago on there were about 000 ways, just think about it !!! Details of doubles! And the supply of Chinese castings to our market ... I certainly do not mind high-quality Chinese goods, but if they are high-quality !!!! And every detail can shoot ... These are business ... happiness is that these are platforms, not barrels of dangerous cargo. Otherwise, there would be more victims.
    Condolences to the families of the victims.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 20 May 2014 18: 13
      +4
      At least someone on the topic ... Thank you! In general, this is called the "animal grin of capitalism", and we will cry with him, in other industries the same crap ...
      1. Slotxnumx
        Slotxnumx 20 May 2014 18: 33
        +1
        Not at all. This topic has already become urgent ... how many gliders were conceived from the news about the descent of the wagons. The system does not work correctly, and the reason for the descent is not because the wagon, for example, was built in 1985 ... but because the wagon is not clear what it is going to. And read this comb with the words park old, not updated, etc. for me it’s not clear.
        With respect.
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 20 May 2014 18: 30
      +1
      Lazar Kaganovich created such a structure that they cannot completely break it down even after so many years to the end, although they are trying very hard. My grandfather in the Ministry of Railways worked since the 30s, he was awarded the Order of Lenin and the Red Banner of Labor.
    3. blackberry
      blackberry 20 May 2014 18: 31
      +3
      Quote: Slot46
      private depots work for quantity, sometimes losing in quality, and the last 2 years there was a shortage of quality parts (namely casting) and new parts cost 100 rubles, because the operators want to save ... they looked for cheaper, and often with a murky origin, and in many depots they didn’t even know what was going on, what kind of casting they were taking, as a result it later became clear that a part with the same number was on different cars! How could this be?

      I agree that you need to start with the quality of casting. Which is entirely in the hands of the unfortunate, plowed oligarchs in Ukraine, in Russia, in KZ. And by closing their eyes to defects during acceptance, not only private depots, but also state structures sin. I believe that the vast majority of disasters, including aviation, have just such an origin - poor quality parts, poor quality work, poor preparation, poor working conditions, and blame the pilot, or the dispatcher, or the driver, or the master of the tracks.
      1. Jrvin
        Jrvin 20 May 2014 18: 41
        0
        I don’t understand one thing. What is difficult in casting? for 5 years this problem has been acute and that no one can guess to make a metallography of the broken frames and find out what is there? here it’s clear to a fool that they often burst in winter, which means he needs the necessary cold resistance, plasticity to variable loads ... I myself am a train driver and it becomes generally scary especially in winter.
        1. blackberry
          blackberry 20 May 2014 18: 49
          +2
          Quote: Jrvin
          I don’t understand one thing. What is difficult in casting? for 5 years this problem has been acute and that no one can guess to make a metallography of the broken frames and find out what is there? here it’s clear to a fool that they often burst in winter, which means he needs the necessary cold resistance, plasticity to variable loads ... I myself am a train driver and it becomes generally scary especially in winter.

          Well, you see, since you are a driver, you know that you had a defective laboratory at your enterprise in Soviet times, and now you haven’t, they covered it. They don’t want to spend money on devices, educated laboratory assistants, who, God forbid, will reveal marriage in each item with great effort — and they will let its oligarchy go around the world. Therefore, they began to replace the old Soviet standards and technical conditions with new ones, supposedly more progressive, and in fact, with one progressive addition to the standard, archival parts were removed from it, providing multiple control for the sake of security.
          1. Jrvin
            Jrvin 20 May 2014 19: 00
            0
            I completely agree with your arguments.
      2. Slotxnumx
        Slotxnumx 20 May 2014 18: 41
        0
        If we are talking about the production of new castings, then yes, here the factories are in charge, and what pricing logic cannot be understood!
        And if we are talking about the market for used spare parts, because the service life is 30 years, and if we cut the wagon and pulled out a suitable part, why not put it in? Correct, they will supply it. And if these used parts are not given the opportunity to buy, that's it leaves through Trading houses, and there is demand, and the operators want cheaper? Here it starts until I buy a pre-assembled part, weld a crack, paint and TRY to sell it to the owner of the wagons, and the depot took and rolled up. Here we get kinks, etc. .
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    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 20 May 2014 18: 15
      +2
      Quote: AnaBat
      According to Psaki, a Russian separatist train attacked a peaceful Lviv freight train carrying baby food

      "Russian separatist train" is reportedly a passenger train formed in Moldova!
      And since it is the cheapest, it is mainly used by people traveling on or off earnings, mainly in the Russian direction.
      This same drove people home! People, not politicians, who share us in their ambitions and whims!
      So the demotivator here is inappropriate!
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 20 May 2014 20: 26
        0
        Judging by her statements, this Psaki has two classes and a long corridor! And in general, on it the madhouse no longer cries.
  34. BTR 80
    BTR 80 20 May 2014 18: 01
    +1
    Quote: Vlad Gore
    The freight train was coming from Ukraine. The malfunction could have been artificially made. Especially considering the current situation.

    there you don’t have to do anything; the sides of the trolleys produced in Ukraine are constantly breaking.
  35. marshes
    marshes 20 May 2014 18: 07
    +2
    Okay, about the wagons. To the dead, the kingdom of heaven, the injured to recovery.
    I know that some departments are reading.
    At the expense of passenger cars, those that do In Tver, by themselves, can’t get narrow in the corridor, but on the upper shelves it’s narrow, the old cars are better ...
    1. Slotxnumx
      Slotxnumx 20 May 2014 18: 22
      +2
      The fact of the matter is ... that knowledgeable people are aware of what is happening in this "business", and how many potentially dangerous wagons are on public tracks, and this can lead to even greater casualties! Imagine that oil and gas or gas oil will fall on a busy direction cisterns ... hair stands on end.
  36. sodick
    sodick 20 May 2014 18: 33
    0
    The guys, unfortunately, accidents occur very often, and it is unfortunate that people have now died. Last year, in a couple of kilometers, a train with some kind of chemistry went off the rails (like acid), but not a word on TV. Fortunately, no one was hurt. And the management of the companies operating these cars perfectly knows and understands that most of the cars have outlived their life, but no one wants to spend money on replacement. Money, you see ...
  37. Gorbtk
    Gorbtk 20 May 2014 18: 35
    +2
    Derailment due to the fracture of the side frames is the main problem of the railway at the present time. Several cases occur monthly. It's just a curiosity for uninitiated people. And then there was a resonance - two trains met. The trouble happened - they just waited for it for a long time. Now JSC "Russian Railways" will announce the month "ATTENTION - LATERAL FRAME" and that's it ... Ordinary performers are not straining for beggarly wages. They will reveal a lot of side frames with cracks and that will calm down until the next terrible incident.
    God forbid more such cases.
  38. radar1967
    radar1967 20 May 2014 18: 55
    0
    With such railway workers we won’t have enough rails: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QApfblGKvnw
  39. magadanets
    magadanets 20 May 2014 19: 06
    0
    I worked at the mine transport section in the mine. Of course, it’s not the same thing, but there is some analogy. I have never seen a rail break from a faulty car. The rail breaks from the state of the track. The train passed from Ukraine to Moscow. And that no one noticed or felt anything? The driver is sitting in the electric locomotive, not the ram. At the stations, the cars are checked. Personally, I think either the extension of the track or sabotage
    1. blackberry
      blackberry 20 May 2014 19: 10
      +1
      Quote: magadanets
      I worked at the mine transport section in the mine. Of course, it’s not the same thing, but there is some analogy. I have never seen a rail break from a faulty car. The rail breaks from the state of the track. The train passed from Ukraine to Moscow. And that no one noticed or felt anything? The driver is sitting in the electric locomotive, not the ram. At the stations, the cars are checked. Personally, I think either the extension of the track or sabotage

      And is it possible to feel how a crack has formed in the metal, and is spreading from turns or other multidirectional loads? I just do not know. Please tell us.
    2. vietnam7
      vietnam7 20 May 2014 19: 20
      0
      I don’t know what the permitted speed is on the section, the train will not stop immediately, there is an order of actions for the driver when pushing in the train. While it’s too early to guess, telegrams will soon go by units, and it will be clear there.
      . The rail breaks due to the condition of the track.-THE RAIL can break even from faulty wheelsets
  40. Humpty
    Humpty 20 May 2014 19: 33
    0
    I am sorry for the relatives of the victims who suffered a speedy recovery. They will figure out what caused the disaster, only people can’t be returned. In our impoverished republic, they save on routine maintenance required for railway work. Unfortunately, there is reason to believe that the same can be richer in countries. If the railway is privatized, then I think that the situation will be even worse.
  41. pvv113
    pvv113 20 May 2014 20: 44
    +5
    In one of the freight platforms of the freight train, a malfunction manifested itself, which served as the beginning of the tragic events. EMERCOM of Russia claims that the freight train belongs to one of the Ukrainian carriers
    Advanced Ukrainian technologies - is Russia again to blame?
  42. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 20 May 2014 21: 22
    0
    Soul bleeds. Worse tragedy simply can’t imagine, so many random factors.
    The worst thing is that the blow fell on just one car from the end to the end. Moreover, this car turned out to be located by compartment in the direction of impact, i.e. in each compartment there were up to 4 people, and if it had been deployed, the blow would have fallen on the side places, where the location of people is half that. If the blow fell between the cars, up to half of the crumpled area would take up the intercar space, vestibules, on the toilet on each side, compartments of conductors, in short uninhabited areas that would occupy at least a third of the damaged area. And if a compartment car, not a reserved seat car, but also turned by a corridor to the side of the impact, would fall under the blow, and if it were a SV car, where the number of people is even smaller, it could do without any casualties.
    Lord, there are so many little things, the combination of which changed every second and, as a result, the worst is a reserved seat car.
    I am really sorry, honestly, I like Chisinau trains the most, some of the cars have old, good amendorfs, very worn out, but inside they are being watched with soul, on the windows there are pots of plants.
    By the way, in Ukraine’s passenger cars in this direction, the rolling stock is mainly new CMVs unfilled at the Kryukov plant - among other things, decent cars, both passengers and freight. I don’t know about the old freight ones, maybe they’re worn out, but it’s not worth it to throw everything on a bursting beam, it could also break the rail, and the carriage beam already as a result at peak load caused by the displacement of the center of gravity and the impact load during a crash.
    Insanely sorry for the people.
    And considering that the cars belong to UZ, then everything, against the background of the current political events, is Bendera's natural fault! Have a conscience!: /
    We have a ra ... va no less. Remember Nevsky Express twice! they derailed, how much noise there was about the non-compliance of the wagons with safety requirements, it turned out that at speeds of 160-200 km / h the bolts securing the seats do not withstand and fly off with the passengers. The Chs200-004 car was damaged for the second time, the driver was awarded, the electric locomotive was repaired, once it happened to drive on this locomotive after all of this, I go into the cab and people don’t learn anything, the chair stood still and is not attached to the floor, and here it’s 160-200km / h it’s clear that there is nothing to catch in any story, even at 80 the driver knocks down from a blow about a pedestrian who failed to cross the path.
  43. siberalt
    siberalt 20 May 2014 21: 53
    0
    Sorry for my condolences! Many suffer, but not Yakunin. Railway prices km / h run is higher than in aviation. One thing is that we don’t fly missiles. As before, a third of the monthly salary in both directions was enough for us to travel in a compartment from us to Moscow. Now the minimum wage is only one way. And, on a minimum salary of half Siberia.
  44. anfil
    anfil 20 May 2014 21: 55
    0
    According to preliminary data, one wheel pair burst due to extreme wear. A timely check of the technical condition could prevent a catastrophe that led to the death of 5 people and injuries more than 20.


    The main thing for our press is to submit fried news, Ukraine is to blame, but that the car passed from the Ukrainian border almost to Moscow doesn’t mean anything ?!
    If the car was so malfunctioning, why was it on the train ?!

    GENERAL
    3.1.1 The maintenance of the cars is carried out in accordance with the Instructions for the maintenance of cars in operation TsV-TsL-408 and the documents, orders, orders and instructions of JSC "Russian Railways" specified therein on the basis of the technological process of the PTO and the station.
    3.1.2 At freight train forming stations, marshalling yards, stations sharing adjacent warranty areas, at interstate wagon transfer points, maintenance is carried out with a slip. Inspection scheme of equipment with a slope for the 4-axle car is shown in the figure 3.1
  45. Gorbtk
    Gorbtk 20 May 2014 22: 04
    +1
    The official version is as follows:
    Moscow railway Moscow – Smolensk region.
    20.05.2014/12/32 at 69-7 at 1 km pc XNUMX of the Nara-Bekasovo-XNUMX section
    the descent of cars in the train No. 1484 (weight 1835 tons, 44 cars) with an electric locomotive
    1,5ВЛ11М No. 280/224, PMC ev (PMB Bekasovo) followed by
    collision with the wagons of train No. 341 by the Moscow-Chisinau traffic (13
    cars) with an electric locomotive ChS7 No. 043 TCHM Ivanov (TChE named after Ilyich).
    Damaged the 7th and 8th cars in the train number 341, there are dead.
    Locomotive brigade revealed the descent of 15 cars
    There is no rolling stock in the passenger train.
    To eliminate the consequences, the airspace stations were raised:
    - Bekasovo (12 km) order at 13-00, sent at 13-11
    - Kaluga (112 km) order 13-02, sent 13-14
    - M. Smolenskaya (66 km) order 13-04, sent at 13-16
    Acceptance of 15 cars (from the 1st to the 15th cars, fitting
    platforms, cargo - spare parts for cars):
    1st carriage - in the exit of the 2nd carriage;
    2st carriage - in the exit of the 2nd carriage;
    3st carriage - in the exit of the 2nd carriage;
    4st carriage - in the exit of the 2nd carriage;
    5th car - in a gathering with all wheel sets;
    6st carriage - in the exit of the 2nd carriage;
    7st carriage - in the exit of the 2nd carriage;
    8th car - in a gathering with all wheel sets;
    9th car - in a gathering with all wheel sets, tilted towards the 1st
    track 70o destroyed one truck;
    10th car - in a gathering with all wheel sets;
    11th car - in a gathering with all wheel sets;
    12th car - in a gathering with all wheel sets;
    13th car - in a gathering with all wheel sets;
    Between the 13th and 14th cars there is a gap of up to 150 m;
    14th car - in a gathering with all wheel sets;
    15st carriage - in the exit of the 1nd carriage;
    At 13-57 from the station Bekasovo-1 on the 2nd wrong way sent
    to drive VP Bekasovo crane Sokol 60 forward.
    A commission was sent to the place under the leadership of the Central Control Center A. Krasnoshchek. On the Bekasovo-Nara section, a short DT jumper was damaged
    s.t. 8.
    KTSM-02 on 80km pc 2 without indications, UKPSPS on 71 km pc 9 without
    comments.
    Characteristic of the route 69 km: class 1 / B / 1, reinforced capital
    2004 repair, jointless track, P65 rails, reinforced concrete sleepers, type
    fastenings - ARS, ballast crushed stone, plot of sleepers - 1969 pcs / km, missed
    tonnage as of 01.01.2014/394/46,7 - XNUMX million tons gross / km, cargo intensity - XNUMX
    mln tons gross / km per year, established train speed:
    passenger - 100 km / h, freight - 80 km / h. In plan, the curve is R-740 m.
    Last pass 17.05.2014/23/12 PS-XNUMX (deputy PS Sinitsa) - revealed XNUMX
    malfunctions of the 2nd degree.
    The first wagon in wagon number 1: fitting platform model 94828449-
    9004, property of Ukraine, owner of the UGTSTS "Liski", home station
    Kiev-Liski South-West railway, built on 01.08.1991/179/XNUMX condition. brand XNUMX OJSC
    "Abakanvagonmash", TP2 23.09.2004/391/XNUMX conv. brand XNUMX VChDr Cherepovets (OAO
    “VRK-2”) of the Northern railway station, TP2 03.02.2010/4083/1 conv. brand XNUMX VChDE-XNUMX Rtishchevo
    Southeast Railway for a malfunction "a crack in the hitch",
    mileage 210000 km after construction, cargo - large containers
    (spare parts for cars), weight - 21 tons, station of the beginning of the carriage voyage
    Zernovo Moscow railway, destination station Moscow-Commodity-Paveletskaya
    Moscow railway
    Last maintenance of train No. 1484 was carried out
    at the station Bryansk-Lgovsky, Moscow railway in the replacement of the Owl Samokhin. From
    The last VET train followed 309 km.
    Train formation - Vadul-Siret station of Lviv railway station,
    appointment - Moscow-Commodity-Paveletskaya station of the Moscow railway
    Judging by the gathering, they will attract the railway men, well, or who in turn should answer ...
  46. sanja.grw
    sanja.grw 21 May 2014 10: 01
    0
    Quote: bubalik
    ,,, and there are much more tragedies on railway transport (including fatal ones), they only go through the internal messages of Russian Railways, and they don’t get a word in the media ,,,

    I don’t agree here I’m working on a piece of iron and a telegram arrives for each emergency, because after all, both airplanes fall and automobile accidents on the sea routes. And to the media account, so let's show all accidents on TV on the first channel