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DNR decided to nationalize the assets of the oligarchs

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In the Donetsk People’s Republic, which declared 11 on its sovereign status in May, the authorities are starting to talk about large-scale nationalization. The head of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, said that the process of nationalization begins due to the fact that the local oligarchy does not want to pay taxes to the republican budget. Reports about it Interfax.

DNR decided to nationalize the assets of the oligarchs


In his microblogging Pushilin wrote:

In connection with the reluctance of regional oligarchs to pay taxes to the budget of the DPR, it was decided to begin the process of nationalization.

If the process of nationalization in the DPR really begins, then first of all it can touch the richest man of Ukraine, Rinat Akhmetov, whose condition Bloomberg estimates at about 22,3 billion dollars. Akhmetov's companies are the largest taxpayers in Ukraine, however, the lion’s share of taxes settles in Kiev, although the production facilities themselves are most often located in the Donbas. Akhmetov is also the president of FC Shakhtar, and what will happen to the club if Akhmetov’s assets really pass into the hands of the Pitmen is still unknown.

Reports of nationalization in the DPR appeared after Rinat Akhmetov decided to sponsor rallies against the Donetsk People's Republic. It is reported by TC "Ukraine" with reference to the oligarch. How much Akhmetov promised to those who came out in the cities of the southeast, speaking out against the sovereignty of Donbass, is not specified.

Denis Pushilin said that the process of nationalization in the DPR will affect the assets of only the local oligarchy.

Denis Pushilin - 33-year-old native of Makeevka. A graduate of the Donbass National Academy of Civil Engineering and Architecture. He served in the ranks of the Internal Troops of Ukraine (National Guard) from 1999 to 2000. In the biography of Denis Pushilin journalists Zn.ua found a page corresponding to his active work in the project "MMM-2011". Pushilin himself does not confirm his functionary work in "MMM-2011".
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  1. strannik595
    strannik595 20 May 2014 15: 34
    +74
    now a tantrum will begin, and not only among Ukrainian oligarchs ......... I wonder how our bonzes will react to this message .......... now in Slavyansk there will be real heat, for their loot they will arrange a real terror, these are people with a burned conscience
    1. Baikal
      Baikal 20 May 2014 15: 39
      +58
      Factories for workers, land for peasants, stand on oligarchs ... Somewhere already it was, it seems wink
      1. I do not care
        I do not care 20 May 2014 15: 44
        +66
        Quote: Baikal
        Factories to the workers, peasant land, a stand on the oligarchs ... Somewhere already it was, it seems wink

        And it didn’t work out badly, however ..
        1. Ivan Petrovich
          Ivan Petrovich 20 May 2014 15: 47
          +23
          that's for sure! and something we have a lot of them, that is, the oligarchs ...
          1. Blondy
            Blondy 20 May 2014 15: 52
            +29
            Well, let them try. We will adopt the best practices.
            1. Baikal
              Baikal 20 May 2014 15: 57
              +37
              And it didn’t work out badly, however ..

              However, what is happening once again confirms the truth: no matter how Russian a man tries, the tank still turns out))
              We are on the right path, comrades! laughing
              1. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 20 May 2014 17: 15
                +17
                The Cold War of Russia was declared by the West. Until 1949, we did not have nuclear weapons, and America already had plans for a nuclear attack and destruction of the USSR. And in 1918, it was not Russia that attacked France, England and the United States, but they brought their troops into Russia. And in 1941, Germany attacked the USSR. So don’t jerk, we are forced to snarl.
              2. angolaforever
                angolaforever 20 May 2014 18: 13
                +1
                News (I don’t know if it is true) ukroSMI:
                In the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, there is an internal conflict between supporters of "Defense Minister" Igor Strelkov and the so-called "Gorlovskaya". This is reported by "OstroV" with reference to a source in the ranks of the DPR.
                "Now they have a strelka at the SBU - there arrived the Gorlovskys, who had previously applied for a number of posts in the government of the DPR, and there is Igor Strelkov's right hand Sergei Zdrilyuk (Abwehr). There is a showdown between them," the source said.
                In addition, as reported by Novosti Donbass on Twitter, the "government" of the terrorist DPR has collapsed. "Minister" Granovsky said: "He submitted an application for resignation of the Minister of Fuel and Energy because of the attempt by the DPR on Akhmetov's property."
                As previously reported, on Tuesday a message appeared on social networks that Abwehr was urgently calling journalists to tell them about the critical situation in the DPR.
            2. mazhnikof.Niko
              mazhnikof.Niko 20 May 2014 17: 54
              .
              Quote: Blondy
              We will adopt the best practices.

              Now we understand why GDP has hit the brakes sharply. Why did you lose interest in the South - East referendum? Well, I saw a lot of RED BANKS, and well, like in Russia, despite Putin's decision, "NO RESTORATION OF THE COMMON POWER AND RELEASE OF THE BANDIT OLIGARCHATE" - will spit on the STATE and proclaim the Russian People's Republic instead of Ry Phy. How are the Chinese? So I lost interest in the "Russian World"
              1. tolian
                tolian 20 May 2014 18: 23
                +10
                No, that is not why Putin "slowed down". He is the president and his "slowdown" turned out to be a whip. But what is happening in Ukraine is really an excuse for President Putin and other presidents to think about it. The expression "the source of power is the people" is not just a common expression for deceiving the people. In the end, it always has been. Analyze the story.
              2. Gorko
                Gorko 21 May 2014 18: 43
                -4
                Now we understand why GDP has hit the brakes sharply. Why did you lose interest in the South - East referendum? Well, I saw a lot of RED BANKS, and well, like in Russia, despite Putin's decision, "NO RESTORATION OF THE COMMON POWER AND RELEASE OF THE BANDIT OLIGARCHATE" - will spit on the STATE and proclaim the Russian People's Republic instead of Ry Phy. How are the Chinese? So I lost interest in the "Russian World"


                Putin does not need the DPR and LPR, he just waits for someone to merge the DPR and LPR under the tacit consent of Russia. He does not need these regions not as subjects of Russia, not as independent states, because these are expenses on subsidies and sanctions, there are no non-strategic, not economic interests.
                It turns out that now they are not needed by anyone, except themselves. Lukashenko called them illegal, Russia slows down, people are already fed up with this. Yes, as independent republics, they would not be viable. Tight sanctions on the DPR and LPR, plus these regions would lose subsidies from Kiev.

                You can zaminusat only wanted to hear the arguments.
                1. serge siberian
                  serge siberian 21 May 2014 21: 09
                  0
                  Quote: GORKO
                  Yes, as independent republics, they would not be viable. Tight sanctions on the DPR and LPR, plus these regions would lose subsidies from Kiev.

                  republics have their own ekonomiku.sanktsii certainly will, but perezhivutoni russkme because people. and about subsidies, in these places now even the junta pay pensions refused. think dear yourself, they are "separatsty".
              3. saha471
                saha471 23 May 2014 11: 56
                -1
                Woodpecker you, mazhnikof.Niko. Putin pulled Russia from the abyss by the ears, continues to work for the good of the country. Successfully. We began to be proud that we are Russian and our home is RUSSIA. And you ascribe to him shallow fears and decisions. I wouldn’t be dishonored ...
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          2. tolian
            tolian 20 May 2014 18: 17
            +4
            Ivan Petrovich, and always will be. Marx and Lenin are geniuses that would not bark mongrel.
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 20 May 2014 16: 31
          +5
          Quote: me by
          And it didn’t work out badly, however ..
          So far, alas, it’s too early to boast about anything ...
          The war with "moneybags" is the most protracted and unpredictable.
        3. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 20 May 2014 16: 39
          .
          Quote: me by
          And it didn’t work out badly, however ..

          Well, yes, the civil war was not bad.
          How many victims were there? Do not remind?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 16: 42
            +17
            Quote: zmey_gadukin

            Well, yes, the civil war was not bad.

            Shaw the Serpents were driven into the skulls, well, it’s clear, you see what kind of maidan it turned out. As for the civilian, you have a warrior with fascism, if you don’t turn hi
            1. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 20 May 2014 16: 54
              .
              Well so I told them not to maidan ... did not believe. Crimea is asking ... is it, now my Donbass is also passing ... t.
              Only now there is no war against fascism (you think so), we have a full-fledged civil war. And it is just beginning.
              Yes, and your "partisans" are trying.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 17: 13
                +9
                Quote: zmey_gadukin
                now my Donbass pro ... t.

                Do you think Donbass will be bad without Ukraine?
                Quote: zmey_gadukin
                Yes, and your "partisans" are trying.

                But I didn’t think that besides ours. There are ordinary people in Ukraine, who has come to power across the throat?
              2. shiplover100
                shiplover100 20 May 2014 17: 51
                +16
                I'm sorry ... I’m embarrassed to ask ...)) Do you, Ukrainians, ever ... are you happy ???
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              4. mazhnikof.Niko
                mazhnikof.Niko 20 May 2014 18: 05
                +8
                Quote: zmey_gadukin
                Yes, and your "partisans" are trying.

                Yes, when "our" "partisans" really start to TRY, as in WWII everything will end quickly! Yarosh to the Kolyma, the junta beyond the Urals to fell trees, the rest to restore the national economy of Ukraine, but without the South-East ...
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 18: 11
                  .
                  Good Snake minus, tired! He was already driven into the skull by the wound.
                2. serge siberian
                  serge siberian 21 May 2014 21: 22
                  0
                  don’t let these flabs slurp at home. our felling is not about them!
                  Quote: mazhnikof.Niko
                  Yarosh to Kolyma, the junta beyond the Urals to logging, the rest to restore the national economy of Ukraine, but
              5. Nick
                Nick 20 May 2014 20: 11
                +3
                Quote: zmey_gadukin
                Yes, and your "partisans" are trying.

                They are the same yours as ours ... They should be proud of them, they put their lives for "their friends", and do not kill unarmed civilians like the right-wing people ...
              6. Our hero
                Our hero 20 May 2014 20: 58
                0
                How many people have so many opinions.
              7. serge siberian
                serge siberian 21 May 2014 21: 19
                0
                Quote: zmey_gadukin
                Yes, and your "partisans" are trying.

                So you don’t want to run into the woods! But what about Bnder and Shushkevich? They really broadcast more from abroad.
          2. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 20 May 2014 17: 18
            +3
            And you remember who first started the first hostilities in the civil war. The answer is simple - the White Guard, former slave owners, handicraftsmen and rich. Do not distort the facts.
            1. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 20 May 2014 19: 30
              +5
              What facts do I distort? I just said that civil war will bring a lot of victims
              1. Nick
                Nick 20 May 2014 20: 15
                +2
                Quote: zmey_gadukin
                I just said that civil war will bring a lot of victims

                Nobody knows for sure. It all depends on how long this boggle lasts ...
          3. serge siberian
            serge siberian 21 May 2014 21: 15
            0
            to describe chtol? but about the fact that just today "news" handed over more than 100 victims in Odessa. And before that, how many were? on the Maidan, Slavyansk, Luhansk. and for independence in the Second World War, how many died?
      2. MOISEY
        MOISEY 20 May 2014 15: 47
        +32
        Here is Donskoy's answer to "Chamberlain". The junta wanted to deprive the common people of benefits and pensions, get "dispossession".
        1. Muadipus
          Muadipus 20 May 2014 15: 57
          +13
          Ah people do not appreciate what they have .... Akhmetov went to the bank .. that’s the result. - it's still a diagnosis.
      3. Iskander Khan
        Iskander Khan 20 May 2014 16: 02
        +13
        I think it’s not going to stand on end. Rather, a suitcase-airport-Europe. And the Europeans will make a stand. After Berezovsky, the holy place is empty.
      4. Old Cynic
        Old Cynic 20 May 2014 16: 04
        +2
        Yep, exactly! Until Grandfather Stalin came as Master.
      5. Predator
        Predator 20 May 2014 16: 34
        +6
        Not quite so. But in the last century Panama declared the nationalization of all foreign enterprises ..... and the US invasion followed!
        1. Our hero
          Our hero 20 May 2014 21: 01
          +2
          Where is Panama and where is Ukraine? and in general, Americans will not enter troops into Ukraine. It is fraught with it. stop and here is a shit under the silence, yes they can. (there are all kinds of sanctions and private owners to help protect nuclear power plants from their employees)
      6. DPN
        DPN 20 May 2014 16: 45
        +2
        Soviet people pissed all this out and of course it won’t work in Slavyansk. First of all, the Russian oligarchs will be against it, the people cannot unite, and the oligarchs will immediately organize themselves. Proof Slavyansk is under siege, and Donetsk and Lugansk are silent, that is, millions.
      7. Sterlya
        Sterlya 20 May 2014 16: 47
        +5
        Quote: Baikal
        Factories for workers, land for peasants, stand on oligarchs ... Somewhere already it was, it seems wink

        Only such things go very hard. and the South East is still languidly acting. will have to be tight if the people continue to be so passive
      8. thimble
        thimble 20 May 2014 17: 02
        +5
        For example, Hugo Chavez nationalized the oil industry in Venezuela. That was howling at the whole world.
      9. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 20 May 2014 17: 09
        0
        No one said such a phrase, not even Lenin. The author of this phrase is you, do not be shy.
      10. avg
        avg 20 May 2014 17: 26
        0
        Akhmetov is also the president of FC Shakhtar, and what will happen to the club if Akhmetov’s assets really fall into the hands of the Donetsk team is still unknown.

        Will change "dark-skinned miners" for tanks laughing
      11. Mitek
        Mitek 20 May 2014 18: 22
        +6
        Quote: Baikal
        Factories for workers, land for peasants, stand on oligarchs ... Somewhere already it was, it seems wink

        If this goes on, then this is Russia joining the DPR))))
    2. ronin
      ronin 20 May 2014 15: 47
      +18
      Such a howl has already been raised on Echo of Moscow ....
      1. smile
        smile 20 May 2014 15: 56
        +22
        ronin
        So they swung at the holy things .... it’s not democratically burning people for you, it’s totalitarian returning to the state previously honestly stolen ... all the more, it’s not just some simple anti-fascist rabble that suffers, but respected people, honest supporters of completely legal and recognized lights Western democracy neo-Nazis, how can Echo not fall into hysteria here .... :)))
      2. asar
        asar 20 May 2014 16: 03
        +18
        Forgive me, but it is so important for you that the "talkers" with the "echo ..."? I, and the majority of Russians, absolutely do not care that they "bazaar"! I never listened - and laziness, and it’s a pity for time !! !
        1. tolian
          tolian 20 May 2014 18: 38
          +4
          asar, but you shouldn't listen to "Echo of Matzo". The enemy must be studied. I've just started watching a video with Shustik. And I watched the fight between two Jewish prostitutes (not Jewish). Tymoshenko and Bogoslovskaya. Surprised to the extreme. How such garbage aunts can powder the brains of an entire nation. And if they can, then they deserve it. I put it bluntly. I understand how they powder, with whose help. What technologies are used, who develops these technologies. And it’s very interesting - is it really that now the Ukrainians will again be led and change the awl for soap. To choose the oligarch Piglet instead of the oligarch Lyashko or the same Tymoshenko, on which there is nowhere to put seals.
        2. serge siberian
          serge siberian 21 May 2014 21: 26
          0
          Quote: asar
          I never listened - and laziness, and time is a pity !!!

          but I’m disgusted to listen to such dogs from vrazhin.
      3. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 20 May 2014 16: 25
        +6
        Quote: ronin
        Such a howl has already been raised on Echo of Moscow ....

        You should have seen that slobber Nemtsov clucks.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 20 May 2014 16: 36
          +7
          Quote: subbtin.725
          You should have seen that slobber Nemtsov clucks.

          From Israel... laughing don’t give a damn! He already told himself an article! Soon he will get nuts! laughing
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 16: 43
            +3
            Quote: Sid.74
            From Israel

            But sho, are the Nemtsov already in Israel?
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 20 May 2014 16: 47
              +9
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              But sho, are the Nemtsov already in Israel?

              For a long time already, Ksyushad was so killed and lamented, horror is simple! laughingAlthough you probably also should not believe in everything that she says! what
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 17: 15
                +3
                Quote: Sid.74
                For a long time already, Ksyushad was so killed and lamented, horror is simple!

                Well, Ksyusha is understandable, he didn’t want to have close relations with her. I would also refuse, even drunk laughing
                Quote: Sid.74
                Although believing in everything she says

                And who believes that, even Nemtsov in Israel escaped from her lol
                1. Our hero
                  Our hero 20 May 2014 21: 29
                  0
                  Remember Ksyusha by night. And then I’ll dream laughing
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 20 May 2014 17: 55
          +4
          Quote: subbtin.725
          You should have seen that slobber Nemtsov clucks.

          In Russia there are many loyalists.
          One of them is slobber Nemtsov.
          (Original - Zenit charge was ill about Sergei Shvetsov somewhere in the early 1980s)
      4. anarh
        anarh 20 May 2014 17: 49
        +2
        Quote: ronin
        Such a howl has already been raised on Echo of Moscow ....

        Oh, that means the direction is right.
    3. ronin
      ronin 20 May 2014 15: 47
      +4
      Such a howl has already been raised on Echo of Moscow ....
      1. I do not care
        I do not care 20 May 2014 15: 50
        +11
        Quote: ronin
        On "Echo of Moscow" such a howl

        Wrong write laughing - solemnly renamed to "EAR Matsi"
      2. VeteranS
        VeteranS 20 May 2014 16: 24
        +8
        Echoes of Moscow have long been made anti-Russian ads, and now they have confirmed that they are encouraging crooks and thieves, who are now called oligarchs! And we must establish a boycott of the swamp echo, not listen to them and everywhere voice their swamp oligarchic essence.
      3. The point
        The point 20 May 2014 16: 25
        +4
        The echo is the echo. Is it worth paying attention to it?
        1. anarh
          anarh 20 May 2014 18: 02
          +3
          Quote: Maksud
          The echo is the echo. Is it worth paying attention to it?

          Old joke about ECHO
          The pirate decided to hide the gold in the cave.
          Just in case, before you go swimming, he shouted:
          - Nobody's here ?
          “No, no, no,” Echo answered.
          Swim, look, and gold something - bye-bye.
          Again asks:
          - Nobody's here ?
          “No, no, no,” Echo answered again.
          - And who embossed gold?
          - I do not know...

          When I first heard it, I didn’t think that such a deep meaning was in the joke. wink
    4. asar
      asar 20 May 2014 16: 00
      +8
      Yes, now the real "mess" will go! Oligohrens, "they will tear their ass" for their "economy"! Already hiring a different rabble, and what will happen next ?! Hold on, Southeast! The truth is yours!
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 16: 02
      +25
      Akhmetov-INSULT HELLO fellow from Donbass winked
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 20 May 2014 16: 27
        +15
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Akhmetov-INSULT HELLO from Donbass

        Well, he snapped, just handsome; he just needs a stroke now.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 16: 35
          +6
          Quote: subbtin.725
          Well, he snapped, just handsome;

          I am just pleased when the loot comes back hi
        2. ZU-23
          ZU-23 20 May 2014 16: 37
          +8
          Oh so for them reptiles, nevermind how much he squeezed out the dough from Donbas, consider all the misery of the miners settled in this freak.
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        4. Revolver
          Revolver 20 May 2014 18: 35
          +2
          Quote: subbtin.725
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Akhmetov-INSULT HELLO from Donbass

          Well, he snapped, just handsome; he just needs a stroke now.

          It is advisable not fatal, but a type of paralysis for half the body. So that it was time to think, to realize. Maybe even repent (although somehow I can’t believe it).
      2. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 20 May 2014 16: 36
        +9
        Yes, he (Akhmetov) has already dressed up and ran to Kiev for diapers from American help. Comrades of Donbass are sending the oligarchic scum on the right road, and now it's Benya Kolomoisky's turn and other participants in the "Maidan movement"! SS! I think Alexander, with your light hand, these scum will not only have a stroke-hello, but also a polar beast-scribe !!!
    6. volot-voin
      volot-voin 20 May 2014 16: 57
      +8
      Quote: strannik595
      hysteria will begin now, and not only among Ukrainian oligarchs ......... I wonder how our bonzes will respond to this message ..

      I think our oligarchs will begin to rub their sweaty palms ...... In this case, the essence of the action is correct. It was high time to nationalize the public domain. Success and victory of the DNI and LC.
    7. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 20 May 2014 18: 38
      +1
      Quote: strannik595
      now a tantrum will begin, and not only among Ukrainian oligarchs ......... I wonder how our bonzes will react to this message .......... now in Slavyansk there will be real heat, for their loot they will arrange a real terror, these are people with a burned conscience

      You're right, strannik595 (2) ! The question that you have regarding the Russian oligarchy is absolutely natural. This "restrained" participation of Russia in the events is from the same opera. The events in Ukraine are so grandiose and significant that the idea that many people have about it is similar to the certainty of a blind man who seizes an elephant by the tail and has never heard anything about him - an elephant, that he has absolute knowledge about this animal.
    8. sams
      sams 20 May 2014 18: 58
      +1
      Statement by Denis Pushilin on the nationalization of enterprises in the Donbass

    9. alone
      alone 20 May 2014 19: 18
      -5
      Most likely this will be the beginning of the end of the DNI. They will encroach on the oligarchy - such is not forgiven in our time. It remains to wait for how it all ends.
    10. Siberian German
      Siberian German 20 May 2014 22: 51
      0
      hysterics yes - but here in Russia we would have to do this thing .... mmmmmm the storm was not a tantrum
  2. PRN
    PRN 20 May 2014 15: 34
    +14
    The correct and timely decision.
    Donetsk proved that property and money do not solve anything in a conscious and principled society.
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 20 May 2014 16: 07
      -1
      Something tells me that enterprises, having lost the firm hand of the Boss, will start to crap all kinds of crap instead of products ...

      Donetsk proved ...


      And WHAT did Donetsk prove, don’t enlighten?
      1. sim6
        sim6 20 May 2014 16: 26
        +7
        how can metallurgical plants, concentration plants, coke plants produce all kinds of crap? They either work or not. Another and big question is managing this all. Now everything is set up, there is strategic management, it brings profit and taxes, but Akhmetov’s profit, taxes to Kiev. Without a fight, the rhinatus will not give up its empire, chaos may come into an established system, the closure of individual enterprises and so on. Here you need to do it wisely, only how ... it's not the keys to the car keys to be transmitted - on, go!
        1. Sour
          Sour 20 May 2014 16: 43
          .
          Quote: sim6
          how can metallurgical plants, concentration plants, coke plants produce all kinds of crap?

          If about metallurgical plants, then how else they can.
          I remember what disgusting steel was produced in the USSR.
          Have you ever worked on a Soviet combine harvester? Touching something, its body could not be boiled. Welding instantly burned it (deleted by moderator), which for some reason was considered structural steel, but in fact it was actually a roofing iron. If it was possible to stitch, then it quickly burst.
          I remember how in the 90s the GAZ designer complained. They examined under a microscope the steel used for the Ford Transit body door. But they did not understand why it does not vibrate in the conditions when a similar Gazelle door vibrates. Such are our constructors. And such metallurgists.
          1. Sour
            Sour 20 May 2014 16: 57
            .
            Some little scoop from the heart put a minus.
            Yes, do not give a damn if he argued objectively, with knowledge of the matter. I would listen with interest to him, about the quality of shovel steel. I would take the minus for granted, and not as a compliment. I would discuss it with those who do not live by slogans alone, but are able to competently object.
            But there is nothing to argue. Normally.
            Because Internet scoops from "those" times have no idea. Heard from dad-mom.
            Scoop - such a scoop. Petty little people without brains and conscience.
            1. Old Cynic
              Old Cynic 20 May 2014 17: 09
              +16
              Honestly, the minus is not mine, although I would have lied heartily for illiteracy.
              My house is a kilometer from the DMZ (Donetsk Metallurgical Plant). And you know what kind of "shovel" steel he riveted, Clever Man? did he rent tank armor for what? Oh? Have you guessed? Yes, for USSR tanks !!

              Or do you want to say that the tanks of the USSR and the armor on them was "soviet" ???
              1. Sour
                Sour 20 May 2014 17: 16
                .
                Quote: Old Cynic
                Honestly, the minus is not mine, although I would have lied heartily for illiteracy.
                My house is a kilometer from the DMZ (Donetsk Metallurgical Plant). And you know what kind of "shovel" steel he riveted, Clever Man? did he rent tank armor for what? Oh? Have you guessed? Yes, for USSR tanks !!

                Or do you want to say that the tanks of the USSR and the armor on them was "soviet" ???

                I’m writing to you, wise guy.
                I’m not a tanker, I didn’t serve in tanks. And he worked on combines.
                Don't paint me the quality of that time, smart guy. I know his price. All the quality went to tanks and guns. The rest went to outright rubbish, according to the principle "and so it will do." As a result, they created a country that everyone was afraid of, but no one envied her. Like the street punks, which everyone is also afraid of, but no one envies.
                And for me, any clever man who dreams of returning to this "paradise" is not a patriot, but worse than any enemy. This is the most terrible enemy of Russia.
                1. Old Cynic
                  Old Cynic 20 May 2014 17: 22
                  +10
                  You’ll poke your mother-in-law, combiner!
                  And for me, any clever man who dreams of returning to this "paradise" is not a patriot, but worse than any enemy. This is the most terrible enemy of Russia.


                  And you, stupid, suggest this to your grandfather! Or is he your enemy too?


                  AND! You are a member of United Russia ... As I did not immediately guess ... Sorry, uncle, asshole ...
                  1. Sour
                    Sour 20 May 2014 17: 27
                    -5
                    Quote: Old Cynic
                    And you, stupid, suggest this to your grandfather! Or is he your enemy too?


                    AND! You are a member of United Russia ... As I did not immediately guess ... Sorry, uncle, asshole ...

                    He was not a party member, Mr. stupid. And do not touch my grandfathers, they are not for you. They laid down their heads for Russia, although they saw nothing good from the authorities. They were not even supposed to have passports. But they did not confuse the homeland with the authorities. And they fought for their native Russia, and not for ghouls in their offices.
                    1. kombat58
                      kombat58 20 May 2014 18: 29
                      +5
                      Failure in the party does not reflect the level of education and patriotism. But the fact that the grandfathers for Russia laid their heads is felt, your father was not overcome, otherwise he would have raised you a little differently.
                      By the way, and you did not try to BREW steel on modern combines.
                      Maybe you are gnawing another insult to Soviet power, and harvesters are just an REASON.
                    2. tolian
                      tolian 20 May 2014 19: 13
                      +6
                      Sour, and the ghouls in the offices is also Russia. That is, you are ready to sort it, Russia. And how beautiful you are, even pathos, write ...... Native Russia. So Vlasov and Solzhenitsyn expressed themselves, so you and people like you express themselves in the same way. But not more. Because you have already divided Russia into ghouls and good Russians. How to divide Ukraine into ukrov and her, who do not jump. Sour, you will die with your views on Russia, on the world as a whole. Such as you can not convince. Familiar with the types of people. After all, I told you, well, wife, for example, that you are oak?
                    3. rkkasa xnumx
                      rkkasa xnumx 20 May 2014 19: 37
                      +3
                      Quote: Sour
                      . And my grandfathers do not touch, they are not your couple.


                      Sour, well you and bitch laughing
                      When:

                      Quote: Sour
                      Scoop - such a scoop. Petty little people without brains and conscience.


                      then it’s normal, you don’t touch anyone’s grandfathers and fathers?

                      Quote: Sour
                      They folded their heads for Russia,


                      Can't be serious ?! Lived in "this country" and fought for it ?! Who would have thought ... Of course it would be better if they fought for the Germans ...
                    4. viktormilovanov
                      viktormilovanov 20 May 2014 21: 29
                      0
                      Aren't you a ragal by chance?
                2. saag
                  saag 20 May 2014 17: 52
                  +4
                  Quote: Sour
                  but no one is jealous.

                  Margaret Thatcher, as in 1991 in Houston, even before the collapse of the Union, stated the following verbatim:

                  "I mean the economic threat. Thanks to the planned policy and a peculiar combination of moral and material incentives, the Soviet Union managed to achieve high economic indicators. The percentage of growth in the gross national product was about two times higher than in our countries. taking into account the enormous natural resources of the USSR, then with a rational economy, the Soviet Union had quite real opportunities to oust us from world markets. "
                  So with envy, everything is in order
                3. rkkasa xnumx
                  rkkasa xnumx 20 May 2014 18: 32
                  +10
                  Quote: Sour
                  Don't paint me the quality of that time, smart guy. I know his price. All the quality went to tanks and guns. The rest went to outright rubbish, according to the principle "and so it will do." As a result, they created a country that everyone was afraid of, but no one envied her.


                  You fool, didn’t you think that first you need to ensure the security of the country, and only then everything else? That, first of all, the forces and resources were used to provide at least the minimum benefits - elimination of hunger, education, medicine, housing? Moreover, for everyone, regardless of financial situation.
                  It is easy to blame the "scoops" for the fact that something was missing or was not of the best quality; didn’t come to the idea that a calm and peaceful life of your country requires costs and very large? Has the fate of any Libya there taught you nothing?

                  Quote: Sour
                  . As a result, they created a country that everyone was afraid of, but no one envied her.


                  You are breaching.
                4. tolian
                  tolian 20 May 2014 19: 05
                  +6
                  Curve, or whatever you are .... Sour. Who is this to you about the fact that everyone was afraid of her. I have walked around the globe more than once, it's easier to name the country where I have not been. None of ordinary people were afraid of us, on the contrary, people from Cuba and Chile to the Philippines and Singapore treated us with great interest. Your tongue is like mine without bones, but the head that controls it is enlightened by the Voice of America and the BBC. And they know how to "educate". You can judge by their students from Gorbachev to German and Bulk.
                5. viktormilovanov
                  viktormilovanov 20 May 2014 21: 28
                  +4
                  You are the same combiner as shit bullet. Teach materials science and the basics of welding production.
            2. pensioner
              pensioner 20 May 2014 17: 57
              +10
              Quote: Sour
              Some little scoop from the heart put a minus.
              Yes, do not give a damn if he argued objectively, with knowledge of the matter. I would listen with interest to him, about the quality of shovel steel.

              Well, I, for example, minus. Soviet-made steel I came across very often. Normal steel. And it was not necessary to worry about the compliance of the chemical composition with GOST. In contrast, by the way, from very many steels produced already in Russia, and not the USSR. And, it seems, from reliable manufacturers. So I don’t need to sing about steel quality. Still, I worked in the spectral laboratory of a large plant for 5 years. Those who are connected with production know that what it is about ...
            3. kombat58
              kombat58 20 May 2014 18: 05
              +8
              Arguing!
              Shitting is easy, but understanding and understanding is difficult.
              For example, I remember a good car "Moskvich" 2140, (and my dad did not tell me about it) lived with him in perfect harmony, traveled half the country, and despite the fact that after him there were Mercedes, and Fords, and Volkswagens, and KIA , I can't say anything bad about the Muscovite metal. And boiled and straightened. And by the way, it cost a new one as a supported INOMARKA.
              Therefore, not from the father and mother, from myself personally "minus". No doubt and no regret.
              Deservedly.
            4. tolian
              tolian 20 May 2014 18: 55
              +6
              Sour, is it you with the brain? It is enough for you to pour slop over the great country - the USSR. And what is happening now in Russia, and in Ukraine, too, is all through your efforts, you very "brainy" brought in. Only you will never admit it. Then they hissed, were dissatisfied - there was not enough sausages and now you pour slop on the "scoops". And this is not written to you by the one who heard from the father-mother, but the one who experienced all this on himself. There was a great country, people like you turned it into ...... Americans know what they wanted. Yes, that's kind of failing. So cover your mouth. The column will be cleaned here over time.
            5. Lyokhin63
              Lyokhin63 20 May 2014 20: 17
              +4
              Structural steel can be different. And its weldability mainly depends on the carbon content. If St.3 - 20 is cooked well by any welding, then such chassis as 30HGSA, 40X require preliminary heating to at least 150 degrees C. And spring ones like 65G are not cooked at all. It should not be considered that the quality of structural steel determines weldability. Yes, cemented st.20 also does not cook in any way, because on the surface it has natural cast iron. No need to drive on metallurgists, now with steels the situation is much worse. And if you cooked everything in a row, not knowing the steel grade, you can foolishly break hr too.
          2. matross
            matross 20 May 2014 17: 12
            +9
            Quote: Sour
            We have such a designer. And such metallurgists.

            These are our "patriots". From the 5th column named after Toad Novodvorskaya. It is disgusting to read your libels. Better go break the harvesters further, maybe the harvesters pick up from the heart ...
            1. Sour
              Sour 20 May 2014 17: 20
              .
              Quote: matRoss
              maybe harvesters pick with the heart ...

              Do you, young man, know how bread grows? Or read in books?
              You are worse than any "column", because you know nothing about the country, but you climb into "patriots". First, do something worthwhile for Russia, and then pretend to be a patriot. All your smelly pseudo-patriotism is stupid slogans, not deeds.
              I tell you the facts, but in response to the stink. By sovochki, bydlya.
              1. matross
                matross 20 May 2014 17: 35
                +6
                Quote: Sour
                First, do something worthwhile for Russia, and then portray yourself as a patriot. All your smelly pseudo-patriotism is stupid slogans, not deeds. I tell you the facts, but the answer is stink. By sovochki, bydlya.

                Did and am doing. You do not have facts, but their distortion. To argue with such a hopeless and boring. Go out the window jump, please loved ones.
                1. Sour
                  Sour 20 May 2014 17: 42
                  .
                  I have just the facts. Because I have seen life.
                  And you have not seen anything. And not the fact that you will see.
                  And do not argue with me, scoop. I am pleased to discuss with those who saw something in their lifetime, but not with you.
                  Go to the party meeting and be a good one, please party members.
                  1. Our hero
                    Our hero 20 May 2014 18: 36
                    +10
                    reading your nonsense I understand that you are an EXTENDANT from PIN-DO-SOV !!! Not much more. Just a meager. And you never lived in the USSR and you don’t know that life, well, at least you don’t know Our life. And your libel is like a copy of the pindo ... propaganda of the times of the USSR.
                    1. matross
                      matross 20 May 2014 20: 18
                      +4
                      Quote: Our Knight
                      reading your nonsense I understand that you are an EXTENDANT from PIN-DO-SOV !!!

                      Guys! Well, do not chop off the shoulder! Immediately an enemy agent! A person simply has a negative life experience.
                      Could he drunk the harvester somewhere in the seed? Could.
                      Could he then try to brew it with electric welding instead of gas? Could, hands out of .ope grow!
                      Could the chairman of the collective farm and party organizer then cruelly screw him up? Could and should have been! Maybe they also gave stumps from the heart ...
                      So much for the insult to Soviet power and moral trauma for life!
                      So it’s necessary to regret the poor fellow, and not to record American trolls!
                      1. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 May 2014 20: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: matRoss
                        A person simply has a negative life experience.

                        what Unsuccessfully left the combine?
                  2. tolian
                    tolian 20 May 2014 19: 27
                    +1
                    Sour except for conceit you have nothing behind your soul. Except 5-6 dozens of wrongly lived, in your opinion, years. You are an inflated balloon. Touch you with serious reasoning and you will be banned because you start swearing. And you are still waiting for someone from the "serious" to talk to you. So you are the little scoop.
                  3. viktormilovanov
                    viktormilovanov 20 May 2014 21: 35
                    +3
                    Sour life you did not see on the farm, probably to the combine harvesters ran for the water? With your knowledge, this is the only thing that you are fit
              2. Our hero
                Our hero 20 May 2014 18: 31
                +7
                Well, I know how bread grows, so what? But before you settle .. Soviet designers and metallurgists should at least read books on the topic well, at least a little well, at least one. I really do not suggest going to learn (well, at least vocational schools), it's just too late for YOU. Maybe then you will understand where you are wrong. I really hope that you understand because you can read?
              3. not good
                not good 20 May 2014 19: 13
                +7
                By the way, for the "machine operator" who cooked the harvesters: in Canada, farmers still have Soviet-made harvesters in operation, and that says something. And the capitalists considered the quality of our equipment worthy of investing money, and they like to count money ...
            2. tolian
              tolian 20 May 2014 19: 21
              +6
              He is not a combiner. He is from the unsatisfied. Everything seems to him that he was underestimated, he was not understood. He writes correctly. But the combiner will not write like that. This is such a type of person. Even seeing what is happening in the world in general, and in Russia and Ukraine in particular, he will be muttering about the bad that, supposedly, he saw and knows well. Pay attention to his categoricality in the comments. Which, as they say, is directly proportional to ignorance.
          3. Mishut37rf
            Mishut37rf 20 May 2014 17: 25
            +2
            I only remember steel produced in the late 80s - late 90s. Here it was! When welding, the factory seam diverged from the pipes, they rotted in 2-3 years. But I can not say anything about earlier or later production.
            1. Sour
              Sour 20 May 2014 17: 31
              -9
              Quote: Mishut37rf
              I only remember steel produced in the late 80s - late 90s. Here it was! When welding, the factory seam diverged from the pipes, they rotted in 2-3 years. But I can not say anything about earlier or later production.

              In the 70s, steel was no better.
              Some varieties did not cook at all. Flowed like water, at the slightest touch of the arc. And if you managed to cook, then everything burst. Sometimes even without load. It burst simply when hardening.
              There was a catalog that indicated which steels were suitable for welding and which were not. But even the "fit" behaved that way.
              But you can’t explain it. They have zero concepts about life, only slogans in their heads. And on these slogans is built their whole worldview. And the truth is the hardest thing for them to face.
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 20 May 2014 18: 44
                +9
                Quote: Sour
                Some varieties did not cook at all. Flowed like water, at the slightest touch of the arc. And if you managed to cook, then everything burst.

                You tell it to those who, for example, ships and submarines in the USSR did ...
                Quote: Sour
                Some varieties

                Remember: steel does not have a grade; it is not a shit. There is a brand of steel. Strange, a man who knows so much about life does not know such a simple thing ...
              2. tolian
                tolian 20 May 2014 19: 31
                +5
                And again ..... the concepts are zero .... some slogans ..... golovenki .... all their worldview ..... the truth is the womb ... Well, not a genius? !!!! Or maybe a fool .... ny?
            2. pensioner
              pensioner 20 May 2014 19: 27
              +3
              Quote: Mishut37rf
              I only remember steel produced in the late 80s - late 90s. Here it was! When welding, the factory seam diverged from the pipes, they rotted in 2-3 years. But I can not say anything about earlier or later production.

              Steel made according to TU and GOST are two big differences. Even in the years specified by you, the steels made according to GOST had quite good quality for themselves. True, very often they were at the lower limit of the chemical composition ... And you most likely came across steel according to TU. That still g ...
          4. Our hero
            Our hero 20 May 2014 18: 20
            +6
            YOU at least sometimes think about what you write or do not write at all if you do not know how or simply have nothing to think about! I also have "Michurenets" ... To weld cars (combi) with electric welding ..... This is nonsense, especially in Soviet times, because. welding is carried out only and only gas (argon or autogenous) ... Well, if you decided to use electrode welding, then at least use the correct electrode (0.8-1.8), but there was a shortage of them in the Soviet era ... Well, YOU "Metallurg-dropout" don't be afraid and don't know how to cook and the electrodes were taken the wrong ones (4-5), here's the result. And if we didn't know how to make metals, then our grandfathers are about the war ... and space and so on ... and so on ... And the quality of a car is so simple wink The use of cheap metals to reduce goods "Not in quality so in quantity". That's the whole story. And YOU, dear, set up like a carbon copy PIN-DO-SOV: Scoops are clumsy.
          5. tolian
            tolian 20 May 2014 18: 47
            +6
            And here I am comparing a tool, for example, open-end wrenches from USSR steel and from Taiwan. How can you compare, ours is really a tool, Taiwanese are children's toys.
            1. Our hero
              Our hero 20 May 2014 20: 27
              +1
              No need to compare Taiwan and toys. Especially Soviet toys. maybe they were not kazy but they had quality and passed OTC.
            2. Lyokhin63
              Lyokhin63 20 May 2014 22: 02
              +2
              About five years ago I saw the result of examination of the material of a torn drill pipe made in China. It was written approximately (as a souvenir) as follows: the chemical composition of this sample does not correspond to ANY brand of domestic and foreign steel.
          6. bugaev2005
            bugaev2005 20 May 2014 20: 18
            +5
            If you put structural steel on the Gazelle, it will cost accordingly, and it’s quite consistent with the price-quality ratio. You still know Chinese cars and their other crafts such as drills, fabrics, shoes and absolutely everything else winked A whole country is just processing normal raw materials into garbage!
            And you don’t seem to understand at all how designers and metallurgists work if they all fit together ...
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 16: 36
        +1
        Quote: Old Cynic
        Something tells me that enterprises, having lost the firm hand of the Boss, will start to crap all kinds of crap instead of products ...

        Akhmetov is your relative, chtoli or what?
        1. Old Cynic
          Old Cynic 20 May 2014 16: 50
          +3
          I just think soberly.
          And used to calculate the moves of the parties much forward, not succumbing to cheers-patriotic cries. The economy determines the welfare of the country, not the patriotism of its citizens. So somehow ...
          1. Old Cynic
            Old Cynic 20 May 2014 17: 04
            0
            Sorry, the work was distracting.
            So, we summarize:
            1. DAM said that we will live in peace under the most severe sanctions. Guys, what are we going to eat? Our meat? Our farmers? And how is it, with our rural economy, huh?
            2. And how many factories of production of means of production were built there, eh? Come on, Aniki warriors, answer!
            3. You all bonfire how much light in vain Ukraine. That's right, it’s not a sin to kick a dead lion ... But you compare the degree of gasification of villages in Ukraine and Russia. Have you compared? And in whose favor did the arrow bow?
            1. Old Cynic
              Old Cynic 20 May 2014 17: 12
              -1
              For once I pronounce: otminusovat - explain yourself, argue!
              I am pleased to discuss, quarrel, agree (if you win!) ... And so, disgusting, in a jackal ... Tobacco ...
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 17: 33
                +2
                Quote: Old Cynic
                1. DAM said that we will live in peace under the most severe sanctions. Guys, what are we going to eat? Our meat? Our farmers? And how is it, with our rural economy, huh?

                About 60% as a whole is our local production.
                Quote: Old Cynic
                2. And how many factories of production of means of production were built there, eh? Come on, Aniki warriors, answer!

                Several hundred small, medium and large enterprises over the past half year.
                Quote: Old Cynic
                But you compare the degree of gasification of villages in Ukraine and Russia. Have you compared?

                Definitely not in the Ukrainian and for one territory of Russia and Ukraine compare.
                1. Luzhichanin
                  Luzhichanin 20 May 2014 19: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov

                  About 60% as a whole is our local production.

                  in words it is local, can you link from Rosstat?
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                3. tolian
                  tolian 20 May 2014 19: 37
                  +1
                  All the questions of the Cynic indicate that he is not aware of what is happening in Russia. The answers to his questions are on the network. Such as cynic, zasi .... t sites.
            2. navara399
              navara399 20 May 2014 19: 08
              +6
              Less to you. Strongly disagree. I live in Tatarstan. At one time he worked in the agricultural sector, now we are building a large refinery. Normally everyone respected! And with agriculture and with production, much less with gasification. We work !!!
            3. tolian
              tolian 20 May 2014 19: 34
              0
              A cynic, but compare .... well, the potency of a black man after coconut and tufts after fat. For comparison, it is reasonable to take breeding. Well, who is ahead ?!
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 17: 30
            +2
            Quote: Old Cynic
            And I’m used to calculate the moves of the parties much forward,

            Oh, how, well, actually, what was your thoughtful move turned out to be true?
            Quote: Old Cynic
            The economy determines the welfare of the country, not the patriotism of its citizens. So somehow ...

            Do you live badly?
            1. ole
              ole 20 May 2014 18: 57
              +2
              Agriculture is developing Toko in large agricultural holdings, milk is consumed in Belarus and palm oil, block and trimmings (beef) Europe Australia and New Zealand Toko Kura is still its own. sad
          3. Our hero
            Our hero 20 May 2014 18: 42
            +2
            And what exactly do you mean by saying "all sorts of crap .." "Well, it's like the metallurgical plant will start producing condoms or what ??? wassat I honestly do not understand you. laughing
      3. Old Cynic
        Old Cynic 20 May 2014 17: 19
        0
        And what, apart from otminusovaniya nothing to argue?
      4. Lyokhin63
        Lyokhin63 20 May 2014 19: 30
        +2
        When Khodorkovsky was imprisoned, he was on a business trip to Western Siberia, talked with employees of one of the Yukosovsky Central Scientific and Practical Center. Everyone expected a big change, and for the worse, without a Master. Somewhere a year later I ended up there. Nothing has changed except the sign.
      5. Our hero
        Our hero 20 May 2014 21: 34
        0
        And what kind of "crap" do not enlighten ??? or alternatively "High-tech neo-metal condoms" fool Well, you say, the same Nostradamus found me wassat
    2. Tanechka-clever
      Tanechka-clever 20 May 2014 16: 11
      +13
      Quote: PRN
      property and money do not solve anything in a conscious and principled society

      A very correct phrase in terms of philosophy.
      And the Head of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the DPR Denis Pushilin announced nationalization and this is the right decision from the point of view of the DPR and life today in the Donbass. For those who say that they have already passed, they have passed, but some
      they didn’t realize that all the benefits of society belong to the people - and the people pay for it with their lives - and not to the oligarch, he can only manage this property for the benefit of society. And his - he can only have at home or what he did with his own hands.
      We have already forgotten how today's oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine arose simply by robbing the people - and those who do not know how to steal and kill were deprived of the right to life - and then their rights did not concern the people.
      Any production located in the REPUBLIC or beyond, but which belongs to the citizens of the DPR, should work not for the benefit of the oligarch, but the people of the DPR.
      I personally have not heard that he would help the militia or provide material and legal support. Today in the Donetsk independent republic is the army of cutthroats of the Kiev junta. Akhmetov, instead of starting to support the people who expressed their opinion - opposed the people and actually sided with American puppets - turned to threats. Now tell me, what would happen if during the Great Patriotic War, when the Nazis stood near Leningrad - suddenly the plant director would call for workers to a peaceful rally - he would be immediately put to the wall without trial, and his descendants would be through 30 years would have been looking for those responsible for these atrocities. It is such as Makarevich who can write about duty and honor, and act like the last bastard and coward. Only in war is everything different - either you or you ..
      Anyone who is against the DPR - it is necessary to deprive property - look how the USA or Ukraine does it - they have no doubt even in their most vile deeds. DNR is right - if not today, then Akhmetov tomorrow with the Kiev junta
      1. Old Cynic
        Old Cynic 20 May 2014 17: 16
        +1
        Tatyana, hello!
        What can I say ... You're right, Dear!
        Now tell me, what would happen if during the Great Patriotic War, when the Nazis stood near Leningrad - suddenly the plant director would call for workers to a peaceful rally - he would be immediately put to the wall without trial, and his descendants would be through 30 years would have been looking for those responsible for these atrocities. It is such as Makarevich who can write about duty and honor, and act like the last bastard and coward.


        Was it wrong in the First World War? Our "moneybags" did not behave like that?
        1. not good
          not good 20 May 2014 19: 22
          0
          Tatyana is right for all 100, but the guys from the DPR government hurried a little with nationalization. From the beginning, it is necessary to strengthen, create the Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other power structures, and only then with a kick to inspire the Akhmetovs for new labor achievements. In this situation, the DPR government received the enemy with big money. May God grant the forces of the DPR to complete what has been started.
        2. tolian
          tolian 20 May 2014 19: 41
          0
          Trotsky's uncle made millions in Russia in this war. On the trade of butts, grain and something else. Trotsky was modestly silent about this.
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    4. alone
      alone 20 May 2014 19: 26
      0
      Quote: PRN
      Donetsk proved that property and money do not solve anything in a conscious and principled society.

      belay come on, try to buy bread in a store without money, relying on a conscious and principled society.
      to say one thing, but to manage the economy, create jobs and make sure that people can feed their family is another.

      P.S. Possessing the oligarchy, the leadership of the DPR signs a death sentence. The oligarchs are everywhere interconnected and rarely support each other.
  3. comprochikos
    comprochikos 20 May 2014 15: 35
    +9
    Well, right now it will begin.
  4. Unknown
    Unknown 20 May 2014 15: 37
    +6
    I want to go to Donetsk !!!!!
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 20 May 2014 15: 47
      +9
      I want to go to Donetsk !!!!!
      ..... what is in the way? winked
      1. asar
        asar 20 May 2014 16: 05
        +4
        If it weren't small, not even work, I would have been there! As in Yugoslavia, where military enlistment offices "were not sent"! But there were!
        1. tolian
          tolian 20 May 2014 19: 43
          0
          I witnessed how a hundred young men asked to be sent to Chile during the coup there.
      2. Our hero
        Our hero 20 May 2014 19: 03
        0
        So the border is locked. winked
    2. Iskander Khan
      Iskander Khan 20 May 2014 16: 07
      +9
      If you are from Russia, then let's change winked . But seriously, I do not think that everything will be smooth. The main headquarters of Akhmet is in Mariupol, and our troops are in the north in Slavyansk. Real kneading can work out. I am glad that his hard workers, albeit on a salary, will not be able to defend the factory with guns. They do not protect from their own.
    3. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 20 May 2014 16: 08
      0
      Freedom - the will! There is no work, only the owners of funeral homes flourish. A brother with VO works in the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... Barely settled.
  5. zao74
    zao74 20 May 2014 15: 37
    +18
    Well, finally, it dawned that there would be no friendship with the oligarchy. Now the real war will begin. Good luck guys.
  6. lexxxus
    lexxxus 20 May 2014 15: 39
    +11
    A dangerous statement, though correct! They’re junting right on a sore spot ...
    1. comprochikos
      comprochikos 20 May 2014 15: 52
      +1
      For such grandmothers, these bourgeoisie will not spare anyone. An even greater threat to civilians will become a reality.
    2. Bayard
      Bayard 20 May 2014 16: 05
      +4
      Quote: lexxxus
      A dangerous statement, though correct! Straight to the sore spot

      Now the hard workers will know what they have to fight for.
      1. asar
        asar 20 May 2014 16: 09
        +1
        And the miners will arm themselves, stand on the defenses of the DNI, God forbid! And this is real support! Good luck to ALL of you !!!
  7. Unknown
    Unknown 20 May 2014 15: 40
    .
    Give the bourgeois a pendell !!
    1. huut
      huut 20 May 2014 16: 00
      +7
      Quote: Unknown
      Give the bourgeois a pendell !!

      Did you read the text under your picture? Here, under the "red rags with sickles" half of the site sits. Are they all living dead in your opinion?
      Another pediro ... pered ... ugh, periodist. He sees only a piece of history. But your blindness is not a reason to offend others.
      Change the picture.
      1. rereture
        rereture 20 May 2014 23: 18
        -4
        So these people "under red banners" and pull everything down, living in their dreams about the USSR 2.0, remembering ONLY ONE period of history, that is, the USSR and only one WWII war.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 20 May 2014 16: 01
      +10
      Quote: Unknown
      Give the bourgeois a pendell !!


      After the May 25 elections, if Akhmetov cooperates with Kolomoisky against Donbass, I think the militia will be tight.
    3. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 20 May 2014 16: 11
      +3
      Your father (or grandfather) under this "red rag with sickles" went to die in the Great Patriotic War, bitch!
      He himself understood what he was encroaching on? Or post garbage - the top of your mind?
      Who do you support? CSKA or Spartak?
      1. rereture
        rereture 20 May 2014 23: 28
        0
        And my great-grandfather's family was shot just under the "red rag with sickles", although his father went through the First World War. And in the Second World War, my great-grandfather fought not for the flag, but for the Motherland, for the native land.

        Yes, and you are pseudo-patriots, you only know how to shout slogans, "encroached on sacred", trawl, trololo. Holy pancake. You can only offend. "In the USSR they brought up a creator man" - but as for me, they brought up watchdogs who are still loyal to their dead master.

        And the advice did not encroach on the sacred, huh? What right did they have to shoot my great-grandfather's family? Because they were Don Cossacks? For what they had their own farm? WHAT RIGHT did they have?
    4. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 20 May 2014 16: 37
      +2
      Quote: Unknown
      Give the bourgeois a pendell !!
      And whose flags are you raising?
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 16: 45
      0
      Quote: Unknown
      Give the bourgeois a pendell !!

      Already given yours, change avu.
  8. Yellow white
    Yellow white 20 May 2014 15: 41
    +5
    Oh, someone has a brain explosion wassat , I think for many, for various reasons !!!
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 20 May 2014 15: 54
      +3
      Oh, someone now has a brain explosion, I think many have, for various reasons !!!
      At a recent meeting of Vladimir Putin with journalists, the president called Kolomoisky a "unique crook" for having "cheated" Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich by several billion dollars.
      ....... and the old woman is a bitch or Russian unpredictability ....... hello to Bene, Monet and others hi
      1. Iskander Khan
        Iskander Khan 20 May 2014 16: 09
        +6
        If Akhmet is overwhelmed (figuratively), Benya will definitely stop sleeping am
  9. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 20 May 2014 15: 42
    +12
    and what will happen to the club
    - that and figs with him. It is here (in Russia) that the football players snickered!
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 20 May 2014 15: 48
      +3
      Yes, soon here is the world holiday of loafers (I'm talking about Brazil)
      although there, too, people began to see clearly
    2. Mhpv
      Mhpv 20 May 2014 15: 55
      +10
      The excessive contribution of football players to the strengthening of the country:
      1. Hulk ("Zenith") - 7 million euros
      2. Kevin Kuranyi (Dynamo) - 5,7 million euros
      3. Alexander Kokorin (Dynamo) - 5 million euros
      4. Igor Denisov (Dynamo) - 4 million euros
      5. Lassana Diarra (Lokomotiv) - 4 million euros
      6. Yuri Zhirkov (Dynamo) - 4 million euros
      7. Axel Witzel (“Zenith”) - 4 million euros
      8. Mubarak Bussufa (Lokomotiv) - 3 million euros
      9. Miguel Danni (Zenit) - 3,4 million euros
      10. Yann Mwila (Rubin) - 3,4 million euros
      etc., and the DNI is now not at all entertaining.
      1. asar
        asar 20 May 2014 16: 11
        +3
        "INCREDIBLE CONTRIBUTION" to the strengthening of the country !!! I just ... keep quiet ...!
      2. surovts.valery
        surovts.valery 20 May 2014 16: 42
        +2
        Estimated: 45,4 million euros. How much with this money can you prepare your cool kid football players? Ask child and youth trainers.
        1. Dazdranagon
          Dazdranagon 20 May 2014 16: 53
          +1
          Quote: surovts.valery
          Estimated: 45,4 million euros
          - so it's not even a complete command! And we have 16! Okay, half of them play "for bread" ...
  10. Prutkov
    Prutkov 20 May 2014 15: 42
    +12
    Oh, and it will be hard! This is not to cut with pravoseki. Here we need an EXTRAORDINARY COMMISSION FOR THE FIGHT AGAINST TAMPERING AND BANDITISM.
  11. bubalik
    bubalik 20 May 2014 15: 43
    +19
    ,,, one can immediately see where the revolution was popular - on the Maidan or in Donetsk. On the Maidan, the oligarchs were given the region to the prince’s reign, and in Donetsk, Akhmetov began to stir, as he was afraid of nationalization, the transfer of ownership of the people of his enterprises.
    1. comprochikos
      comprochikos 20 May 2014 15: 56
      +3
      He has one way out, to side with the Donetsk authorities or lose his money to make money.
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 20 May 2014 16: 03
        +2

        comprochikos (1) SU  Today, 15: 56 ↑
        He has one way out, to side with the Donetsk authorities


        ,,, yes he’s probably already tied to the junta so that there’s nowhere to retreat request
        1. Old Cynic
          Old Cynic 20 May 2014 16: 25
          0
          It is tied to investments in the industry of the DNI and LC!
          I think Rinat is now waiting in whose direction the pendulum swings.
          1. tolian
            tolian 20 May 2014 19: 49
            0
            So he shakes it!
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    2. Iskander Khan
      Iskander Khan 20 May 2014 16: 11
      +3
      Right if you are on the site! They ask you. What were you up to? In the DPR, the stolen are returned to the people, and you?
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 20 May 2014 16: 47
        -8
        I’m not right and didn’t stand on the Maidan, but was just against it.
        but...
        Quote: Iskander Khan
        In the DPR returned stolen people

        Where did this come from, dear man? Who returns to whom and what?
        Do not write propaganda nonsense. DNR is a gang of poor people who want to become rich.
        Now they have weapons and power in a small area of ​​Ukraine. They don’t really enjoy support, because there would be thousands of normal men in their ranks, and there’s one murmur for a couple, three of experienced soldiers. They need funds - they will take them. And then what will happen to the war-ravaged piece of Ukraine, they do not care. They will get theirs. And dump in the Russian Federation. There are precedents, don’t you?
        1. comprochikos
          comprochikos 20 May 2014 17: 31
          +1
          Want to justify your login?
        2. Dazdranagon
          Dazdranagon 20 May 2014 17: 58
          0
          zmey_gadukin (3) UA Today, 16:47 ↑
          I’m not right and didn’t stand on the Maidan, but was just against it.
          but...
          About "Right Sector" you can have your opinion! The alternative point of view must also be borne in mind! hi
        3. kombat58
          kombat58 20 May 2014 18: 45
          0
          I really hope that you write comments from Slavyansk, and you see the gopot from the window of your house. Do not be so about people ready to die! We would like to loot on the barricades would not sit. Something like this.
  12. jovanni
    jovanni 20 May 2014 15: 44
    +2
    That's right. Nehren Ahmetke and other sharks of capitalism support the junta. It’s time to shorten this tricky post.
  13. Black
    Black 20 May 2014 15: 45
    +1
    Fair, but .... maybe it’s too early to make a socialist revolution? Ahmetka was still hoping for something, and now she will be cut to the fullest ... And he is not alone.
    1. ty60
      ty60 20 May 2014 16: 09
      +1
      It’s necessary to start with someone. If he started financing the DPR, he would have been awarded a monument during his lifetime. Either his chest in crosses or his head in bushes. Nothing personal, just business.
  14. Arh
    Arh 20 May 2014 15: 46
    +2
    And it is right !!! smile
  15. nikrandel
    nikrandel 20 May 2014 15: 46
    +4
    It's time to share, Rinat laughing
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 20 May 2014 16: 18
      +1
      You tell this to Prokhorov with Abramovich! Resin and Deripaska ... Yes, and even with a fist on the table, tap ... Let's see what riot police will do to you.
  16. jktu66
    jktu66 20 May 2014 15: 46
    +5
    x and it will be hard! This is not to cut with pravoseki. Here we need an EXTRAORDINARY COMMISSION FOR THE FIGHT AGAINST TAMPERING AND BANDITISM.
    The leadership of the DPR and LPR has the most coveted advantage in comparison with their opponents - the support of the overwhelming majority of the population. Cope unequivocally.
  17. gmasterbit
    gmasterbit 20 May 2014 15: 50
    -3
    banal robbery and redistribution of property began, great-Ukrainian in its essence .. help Slavic and Kramatorsk now definitely will not be, there are more important occupations, share money
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 20 May 2014 16: 20
      +2
      Why did gmasterbit get out? All man said correctly.
      The redistribution has begun - has begun.
      Do you have any help for Kramatorsk and Slavyansk? Tokmo "iron".
      So why minus it?
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 20 May 2014 16: 49
        -8
        And they are not robbing houses yet. But looking at the "elders", the "younger" will go and fill their pockets.

        DNR is a nonviable pseudo-formation.
        1. nikrandel
          nikrandel 20 May 2014 17: 23
          +2
          This is your Maidan pseudo-formation nonviable.
          1. angolaforever
            angolaforever 20 May 2014 18: 25
            0
            In reality, the DPR is now unclear what. Even the warrior Strelkov sent his deputy to figure out that they muddied the water there in Donetsk.
  18. tokin1959
    tokin1959 20 May 2014 15: 55
    +3
    The nationalization of large enterprises must be done.
    Akhmetov supports the junta, and such people need to be deprived of property
  19. Giant thought
    Giant thought 20 May 2014 15: 59
    +3
    Well done Donetsk! Stop clanking with the oligarchs, everything that is acquired by overwork must belong to the people.
    1. Old Cynic
      Old Cynic 20 May 2014 16: 22
      -1
      You seem to have an "effective manager" in mind? At Akhmetov's enterprises?
      And then no matter how it happened, what then Stalin restored with blood ...
  20. sovieticoestado
    sovieticoestado 20 May 2014 16: 00
    +6
    Very correct decision. Then, you look, and the New Russian Soviet Socialist Republic will arise. In the Russian Federation, it will not be possible to get rid of the bourgeois in the near future. The guarantor will not allow it.
  21. Prutkov
    Prutkov 20 May 2014 16: 01
    +1
    Quote: jktu66
    x and it will be hard! This is not to cut with pravoseki. Here we need an EXTRAORDINARY COMMISSION FOR THE FIGHT AGAINST TAMPERING AND BANDITISM.
    The leadership of the DPR and LPR has the most coveted advantage in comparison with their opponents - the support of the overwhelming majority of the population. Cope unequivocally.

    There is no such surname "blshinstvo". There are people who work in mines and factories of Akhmetov and others like him. There are people, and there are a lot of them, who look at Akhmetov's very little hole. They will do bad things quietly, and sometimes loudly. All this passed. Of course, there is no need to organize a socialist revolution. But it is quite possible to reconsider the legality of privatization or concession of a number of objects. Here and Crimea, where many assets remain, can help.
    1. ZYRYANIN
      ZYRYANIN 20 May 2014 16: 18
      0
      This has already been done by Tymoshenko with Yanukovych, nationalizing his factories. For which she paid for years in prison - revenge was merciless!
  22. Havoc
    Havoc 20 May 2014 16: 02
    +1
    It's okay, there will be a Belarusian model, by the way, not bad.
  23. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 20 May 2014 16: 02
    +1
    Akhmetov made a mistake ... In vain it blew a hoot ..))))
  24. kvnvolga2008
    kvnvolga2008 20 May 2014 16: 03
    +3
    The decision is essentially correct, but will there be enough strength to fight the oligarchs? We need a strong army and good cadres of managers ...
  25. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 20 May 2014 16: 09
    +1
    Quote: kvnvolga2008
    The decision is essentially correct, but will there be enough strength to fight the oligarchs? We need a strong army and good cadres of managers ...

    It’s true that it’s easy to declare .. But to implement it! Indeed, this Akhmetov will do anything (he has a lot of money.) And most importantly, the miners of the metallurgists are silent ...
  26. St.S.S.
    St.S.S. 20 May 2014 16: 10
    +2
    So a good thought came. Now you need to think about how to do this with less loss! Because it’s not just that the oligarch will take away everything that he has !!!
  27. Iskander Khan
    Iskander Khan 20 May 2014 16: 14
    +1
    Sorry. Ahmet is a very clever smart guy. I chose the wrong side. The people are closer and more weighty than Kiev. This is apparently the biggest puncture of Akhmet in his entire career. From the same high he fall.
    1. Our hero
      Our hero 20 May 2014 19: 20
      0
      Well, what could he create (Akhmetov)? After all, he has most of Nala located in the offshore and in the west, and there they all rule Pindo_sy winked Well, as they say: Who doesn’t dream for Russia ... Well, he decided to go with THEM ... And he came
  28. ZYRYANIN
    ZYRYANIN 20 May 2014 16: 14
    +2
    It is high time! This, of course, will cause a response from Akhmetov in terms of stepping up the financing of the punitive operation, but "seven troubles - one answer!" Yes, and no visible "enthusiasm" of the "soldiers" of the Ukrainian army in suppressing the resistance of the DPR was noticed ..
  29. mig31
    mig31 20 May 2014 16: 15
    +1
    Any state originates from this, I wish you success in the privatization of illegally taken from the people ...
  30. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 20 May 2014 16: 18
    +5
    I suggest on the site "Russian Spring" to read the opinion on this issue
    20.05.2014 - 13: 31
    "The manual DPR suited Akhmetov to the full, but he abruptly changed his mind when Strelkov and Boroday came to the leadership of the republic - an opinion."
    Very informative and competent. I support this opinion.
  31. typhoon7
    typhoon7 20 May 2014 16: 19
    +2
    Akhmetov probably, like all Ukrainian oligarchs, has his own armed formations, but they need to be neutralized, otherwise he can do business out of spite. By the way, he decided to go on strike, under the guise of a strike he collects football ultras, what they will do is not difficult to guess. The answer must be good and tough, the script is very similar to Odessa, the police and ambulances are in place. These tentacles most likely do not even grow from the junta, but because of a large puddle.
  32. Russian German65
    Russian German65 20 May 2014 16: 21
    +1
    It’s just that he won’t give ........ and other oligarchs in bulk will pile up ......... a lot of blood will be shed ... but it’s impossible in another way ... it’s necessary to break this thieves system. .... I'm afraid only Russian oligarchs will fit in for Akhmetov ......... 1917 is far from being forgotten .....
  33. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 20 May 2014 16: 22
    +6
    Oh guys and swung! But first you need to defend your independence. Ahmet, in addition to rallies, organizes national squads from his workers (purely Ukrainian style: each pan-ataman has his own army).
    But I want to believe in these guys who became the leaders of the Donetsk Republic. Let them be idealists and romantics (the main thing is not to be someone’s puppets). All revolutions are made by idealists and romantics. The main thing is that they have a goal, idea, will and organizational talent. They have already shown their organizational skills: they held a referendum. The shooters are also from their cohort. His few army successfully resists, albeit wretched, but all Ukrainian military power.
    And yet, recently many have complained about the passivity of the population of Donbass. But, refer to the story, it always has been. Revolution, civil war. The population has always, for the most part, observed from the side. Everything was decided by active, organized, decisive, ideological people, respectively, with the support of certain masses of people. This we are now observing in the Donbass.
    On the military component: remember the partisan movement of the Second World War. The main combat backbone of most of the partisan detachments, including the leadership, was made up of personnel of the Red Army and the NKVD, and with appropriate training. These detachments were subordinate to a single center of leadership, had contact with him, and supplied weapons and ammunition. This was the main condition for the existence of the partisan movement, otherwise death. Public support is the second factor. Strelkov’s army, in all facts, meets these requirements.
  34. Deadmen
    Deadmen 20 May 2014 16: 27
    0
    Echo of Moscow - roosters
    1. R-118bm3
      R-118bm3 20 May 2014 17: 28
      +1
      And the fifth column. And more rain.
  35. Ross
    Ross 20 May 2014 16: 27
    +1
    Quote: strannik595
    now a tantrum will begin, and not only among Ukrainian oligarchs ......... I wonder how our bonzes will react to this message .......... now in Slavyansk there will be real heat, for their loot they will arrange a real terror, these are people with a burned conscience

    Well now our oligarchs will wake up in the cold sweat in the morning! drinks good
  36. gmasterbit
    gmasterbit 20 May 2014 16: 32
    0
    Quote: Old Cynic
    Why did gmasterbit get out? All man said correctly.
    The redistribution has begun - has begun.
    Do you have any help for Kramatorsk and Slavyansk? Tokmo "iron".
    So why minus it?

    really, what are the minuses? does someone seriously believe that the money squeezed out will go into the cause of independence? will they buy weapons drugs products
  37. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 20 May 2014 16: 33
    0
    It’s too early to make such statements, it is necessary to strengthen their power, otherwise the oligarchs can throw some kind of a joke, for example, to kill.
  38. AID.S
    AID.S 20 May 2014 16: 38
    0
    The oligarch decided "irybkusyest" ...
  39. xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 20 May 2014 16: 42
    +1
    Therefore, Akhmetov and voted! Give him a strike! Don’t give a damn to yourself! God grant that the guys succeed in nationalizing! good
  40. Klim2011
    Klim2011 20 May 2014 16: 47
    +1
    The statement is interesting, but it seems to me that this is an element of pressure on Akhmetov, nothing more.
    for example, they nationalized a mine, produced products (coal), and sell it to whom? Who in Ukraine will buy products from the new Republics without the permission of Kiev?
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 20 May 2014 17: 01
      +2
      Quote: Klim2011
      and sell it to whom?

      Well, Rinatu and sell.
      DTEK whose? ))))
  41. DPN
    DPN 20 May 2014 16: 50
    +2
    Quote: Tanya-umunechka
    . DNR is right - if not today, then Akhmetov tomorrow with the Kiev junta

    Ah yes Tanya rights +++
  42. shelva
    shelva 20 May 2014 16: 58
    +1
    And it is right. I wrote about the need for this step
    three days ago, expropriation and nationalization.
  43. shelva
    shelva 20 May 2014 17: 01
    +1
    Quote: Klim2011
    nationalized the mine, produced products (coal), and sell it to whom? Who in Ukraine will buy products from the new Republics without the permission of Kiev?

    Who needs coal - he will buy, and even without Ahmed mediation margins.
  44. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 20 May 2014 17: 03
    +1
    The nationalization process in the DPR will affect the assets of the local oligarchy exclusively.

    But this is pretty bad. If this is a response to Ametov’s payment of rallies, then it’s understandable. But if this is the party’s program, then it’s half and selective. Again they want both yours and ours. And eat the fish and go to heaven. Do not show a revolutionary nature. Miss your freedom. Showcases, damn it.
  45. saag
    saag 20 May 2014 17: 06
    0
    And with whom are they - the DPR, then they will trade? Nobody will buy
  46. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 20 May 2014 17: 19
    +1
    NOVORISHI, insolent!
    Not only have the PEOPLE'S GOOD TAPPED BY "back-breaking labor", but they are not going to pay a penny from the huge incomes.
    Such "figures" need the people, in all countries of the former USSR, business privatize "BACK" - to nationalize ..
  47. kit-kat
    kit-kat 20 May 2014 17: 20
    0
    Now, in my opinion, the inhabitants of the east have a great opportunity to build an ideal state. Take into account all the advantages of socialism and capitalism, put the right people on key posts. The main thing is that the initiative should not be seized by politicians who are now waiting, whose take.
  48. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 20 May 2014 17: 20
    +1
    The goal of this nationalization is to raise metallurgists from the hibernation of miners .. Then no Akhmetovs and the junta are afraid of how they paint it ...... (it will take some time to tighten the belts ..) And the most important thing is the militia discipline coherence .. They will press hard .!
  49. mamont5
    mamont5 20 May 2014 17: 20
    +5
    Well, Rinatushka, and a white furry animal crept up to you. What are you so wrong with these strikes? At the beginning of the last century, Russian industrialists and manufacturers also organized strikes at their enterprises and did not give revolution money. How did it end, ah-ah?
  50. turaev
    turaev 20 May 2014 17: 28
    +5
    The Slavic people had a unique opportunity to return the factories, mines, etc., that had been stolen by foreign interventionists. to the rightful owner - to citizens of Ukraine.
    But for this you need to "wake up", get up from the sofas and pick up a weapon and fight http://s-narodom.ru/yuogovostok/don/145-igor-strelkov-gde-vy-zaschitniki-dnr.htm
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