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To the East? To the East…

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The show has begun. Receptions, negotiations, meetings, signing a bunch of agreements and projects. Russia and China are starting a rapprochement again. I hope historical.

Say thanks to Obama. If it were not for his voyage to Malaysia, the Philippines, South Korea and Japan, it would hardly have happened so quickly and joyfully. But - better this way.

So what do we have in perspective? With Europe quarreled is not final, but the relationship strained. Sanctions, sanctions, attempts to undermine Russia's economic and political interests. The atmosphere is not heated, but heated up pretty.

And here is such an unexpected one. It turns out that Europe is not the center of the universe. And they want to be friends with Russia not only in the West, but also in the East. Even if the East is a delicate matter. Both gas and oil will be taken at European prices without being cut off. No favor. And the contract will be signed not on 10 years, but with a truly oriental scale. At thirty. Let and bargain from the heart. But, so, apparently, accepted.

And planes to build and helicopters. And in general, peace, friendship, chewing gum.

The only thing that makes you wonder is technology. There is no doubt that the Chinese industry is the most powerful Xerox. And the fact that the Chinese are keen on any progressive technologies has been tested over the years. Just give.

And the second moment. I do not want to say that China has become friends with us because of the American stick. But - the stick is present, whatever one may say. May, of course, the opinion is exaggerated. But it all hurt quickly. And quickly, as you know, only what things are done?

China has never missed its benefits. On that, as they say, is the Celestial. Because, apparently, with all legs and hurried to take a place completely surreptitious Europeans. Well, the United States in the ATP is also not bad. That in alliance with today's Russia is also quite possible.

It may seem to me that this moment is unpleasant. This is not true. As an ally, China is more significant and profitable. What is economic, what is political. About the culture just keep quiet. Bearded female members there are not exactly exposed as an achievement of culture.

The official newspaper China Daily estimates that there are 30 million gays in China. Non-traditional relations in the PRC have been banned for a long time. Only in 1997, homosexuality is no longer considered a crime. Until 2001, homosexuality was considered a mental disorder. 30 million compared to one and a half billion - it's not even a drop in the ocean. And they sit quietly, without parades.

Third moment Earlier, when the friendship of the USSR and China began in 1946, China was the “younger brother”. Now at least a full ally. Partner language does not turn to call.

In general, the turn from west to east as a response to Euro-American sanctions took place. We will see what comes of it.

I am frankly surprised that the US administration has so clearly pushed the two powers into a friendly embrace. Moreover, I am confident that these actions indicate that American (and European) diplomacy is ordering us to live long. Such diplomacy can not be lifted from the plinth, even a Viagra car.

Well, ordered - we will. The energy and technological potentials of Russia plus the economic potential of China ... no, in the States it was once again foolishly foolish. And obviously in black.

Well, since the Russian with the Chinese are again brothers forever - so be it.

In an interesting time, we still live, the Russians.
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  1. Samaritan
    Samaritan 21 May 2014 08: 27
    +11
    God grant a long, peaceful and respectable relationship!
    1. Alexander Petrovich
      Alexander Petrovich 21 May 2014 08: 32
      +8
      Friendship is certainly good, but does China consider it friendship? You look at the most crucial moment, they stab a knife in the back.
      1. MOISEY
        MOISEY 21 May 2014 08: 42
        +20
        And to prevent this from happening, you have to be a Force. How to be proud "Good should be with fists," and Asia appreciates this, respects and accordingly builds friendly relations. Therefore, the main goals of Russia are: a strong army, a strong economy, a wise president.
        1. Alexander Petrovich
          Alexander Petrovich 21 May 2014 09: 21
          +8
          Absolutely, we will be strong, China will not sell, but we will be weak, it will be more profitable for the Chinese to occupy us than to be friends with us.
          1. Soldier
            Soldier 21 May 2014 12: 49
            +3
            And yet, even the patriots were brainwashed. I have addressed this topic more than once, but nevertheless I will repeat it. Since the days of Trotskyist-Khrushchev, not without the participation of the USA, they IMPUSED us; China is the Enemy !!! The enemy is because 1) the Chinese are poor. 2) the Chinese are cunning and mean 3) there are many Chinese and they have nothing to eat. Therefore, they sleep and see how to conquer us. For 50 years, propaganda has penetrated the minds very much. But this is not so in any case (he worked closely in China himself). And one should not cite Primorye as an example (they say they seized everything). In any border territory, if there isn’t an iron curtain, citizens of neighboring states live. China needs China no more than we need Denmark. Although there are imperials in any country, China has many of its geopolitical problems, if, in short, until China has the red flag of China (and mattresses are not allowed) until territorial disputes with India are resolved, There can be no question of any expansion to the north. Yes, and we don’t need them. According to their mentality, resources are easier to buy. Yes, and it’s cold in Siberia for them.
            1. alleksSalut4507
              alleksSalut4507 21 May 2014 20: 28
              +3
              they live in Siberia and the woods are driven and walk in the cold without hats if they don’t ride jeeps and they have plantations and they grow all the vegetables using nitrates and they tell the locals we’ll be here and you’ll pay them and the state pays them in addition to the salary earned from us and from them in the epic of ancient legends, it is said that in the north there is a magical Land of dreams.
              1. radar1967
                radar1967 22 May 2014 03: 03
                +1
                Homework.
                Task number 5.
                DANO:
                1. The UN Security Council did not support the proposal of Russia to appeal to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon with a request to prepare an impartial investigation of the events in Odessa.
                2.Criminal inaction is a person’s passive behavior, which consists in the fact that the person does not perform or improperly fulfills the responsibility entrusted to him
                obligation, as a result of which harm to the objects of protection of criminal law is caused or a threat of causing such harm is created.
                ATTENTION, QUESTION:
                Does Russia need membership in a criminal organization?
        2. mihai_md2003
          mihai_md2003 22 May 2014 04: 59
          -1
          The army and the economy must certainly be tightened, but the Russian president was really lucky. Whatever the swamps would say.
      2. avt
        avt 21 May 2014 09: 35
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Petrovich
        Friendship is certainly good, but does China consider it friendship? You look at the most crucial moment, they stab a knife in the back.

        So, in spite of all the maneuvers with the Pacific Fleet, they threw GDP at the gas contract, and this was actually a key deal at the given time, it was precisely the political component of signing the gas treaty at that particular time, and the presence of GDP. So, the Chinese lads are distinguished by their enviable and imitative constancy - they defend only their interests and any compromise, and even more so joint actions, are considered only when obtaining the advantage of negotiations for themselves. It’s difficult, almost impossible to squeeze them in negotiations, only by force, which the pale-faced brothers have repeatedly proved in the course of history, by the way, and the Russian Empire joined them once, just before the war with Japan, and received Dalniy and Port Atyur as a reward.
        1. Aleksandr65
          Aleksandr65 21 May 2014 14: 31
          +1
          The contract is SIGNED, short-sighted you are our ...
        2. alleksSalut4507
          alleksSalut4507 21 May 2014 20: 40
          +1
          they just feel their power. the goods are almost everything from them. sneakers in the ASP and those of them. They DEVELOP. technology is vibrating and growing up and down. they are proud of their country because their country supports it if they give something to it.
    2. older
      older 21 May 2014 08: 40
      +8
      The relations are purely business. We have resources, they have money and people ... Such an alliance is really unbeatable ... Another thing is that somewhere we will win and somewhere we will lose. But the EU and the USA perfectly showed who they consider us ... I agree with the author ... Do not want equality, your business. But then (now) do not peep ...
      1. i80186
        i80186 21 May 2014 08: 52
        -21%
        We would not be in the way too much, a couple of tens of millions of Chinese to settle in, say, North-Eastern Siberia, otherwise there are a lot of resources and there are really no people. smile
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 21 May 2014 09: 18
          +6
          Quote: i80186
          there are many resources and people just do not really

          But they’ll get used to it, settle down, and then declare these territories their own property rights to the means of production. And we will get another Kosovo (Albanians also asked to wait out hard times). Friendship is friendship, and territory apart. We have already cut off their robustness as friendly gestures when demarcating borders, God forbid, more than 3000 square kilometers.
          1. alleksSalut4507
            alleksSalut4507 21 May 2014 20: 49
            -1
            they will crawl further.
        2. okunevich_rv
          okunevich_rv 21 May 2014 09: 24
          +13
          And you yourself respected to breed and reproduce completely forgotten how?
          Free territories are our reserve for future generations.
          1. i80186
            i80186 21 May 2014 09: 31
            0
            Quote: okunevich_rv
            But they’ll get used to it, settle down, and then declare these territories their own property rights to the means of production.

            Quote: okunevich_rv
            And you yourself respected to breed and reproduce completely forgotten how?
            Free territories are our reserve for future generations.

            Something is not visible a huge stream of people willing to live in the Magadan region voluntarily. laughing
            1. alleksSalut4507
              alleksSalut4507 21 May 2014 20: 50
              0
              they’ll put Abramovich, we’ll all leave ...
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        4. alleksSalut4507
          alleksSalut4507 21 May 2014 20: 47
          0
          when kiitta will be there. The aborigines will be needed only to work as a batman or a fireman on pipes. So that it would be warmer for all people. They already know where to put the rest of the skin and fat.
    3. Sterlya
      Sterlya 21 May 2014 09: 27
      +3
      Quote: Samaritan
      God grant a long, peaceful and respectable relationship!

      I wish the same, and that the dream come true to remove this moldy dollar from the world stage with the country that generated it Parasite
      1. alleksSalut4507
        alleksSalut4507 21 May 2014 20: 54
        0
        it will be hard, there are a lot of greens beyond the hill. very much. there is enough nasty stuff. it’s necessary to exist independently of them.
    4. Very smart
      Very smart 21 May 2014 14: 47
      +2
      Samaritan
      And you, it turns out, are a "good Samaritan"! Was this not written about you in a famous book? smile
      The article is correct and timely, the author - respect.
      But the moment is not reflected at all that the Obama tour of the Pacific Ocean, in addition to the rapprochement of the Russian Federation and China, led to an aggravation of relations between almost ALL countries where he visited and simply passed by. Vietnam, Japan, Korea, Philippines - everyone jumped! Showdowns and mutual reproaches began. This is phenomenal. That is the whole point of Americosia. It's like a virus! He must be treated! Remantadine him. And an enema of seven. It doesn’t hurt, it just doesn’t happen worse.
      Well, the fact that China is not sugar is already known. We must not click the beak and everything will be fine. GDP will not miss, he knows what he is doing. Worse, when implementing plans and decisions, the ball is thrown to the side of the government. And there is Premier Dimoti with an iPhone, as Vanya Urgant aptly called him. And here can be anything. Any crap.
      1. alleksSalut4507
        alleksSalut4507 21 May 2014 20: 55
        0
        in fact, viruses do not treat .a.
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          22 May 2014 00: 23
          0
          Quote: Very smart
          the moment is not reflected at all that the Obama tour of the Pacific countries, in addition to the rapprochement of the Russian Federation and China, led to an aggravation of relations between almost ALL countries where he visited


          I agree, shortage. hi

          By the number of minuses, the article received unspeakable pleasure. How dissatisfied with such a development of events, eh? Still would have to figure out the identity ...
  2. Duke
    Duke 21 May 2014 08: 27
    +6
    I am frankly surprised that the US administration has so clearly pushed the two powers into a friendly embrace. Moreover, I am confident that these actions indicate that American (and European) diplomacy is ordering us to live long. Such diplomacy can not be lifted from the plinth, even a Viagra car.

    A rare case when the US can say thanks
    1. older
      older 21 May 2014 08: 42
      +3
      Quote: Duke
      A rare case when the US can say thanks

      I am not sure that the USA is to blame ... Rather, the wariness and perseverance of the PRC ... Remember the visit of the President of the PRC to the Olympics ... It was not just a challenge to the West, it was a direct appeal to Putin ..
    2. a52333
      a52333 21 May 2014 10: 13
      0
      China look forward. Syshya began to withdraw assets from their territory. Accordingly, in the foreseeable future it will cease to be dependent on China. As a result, deterioration.
    3. Eugene
      Eugene 21 May 2014 13: 05
      0
      We, Crimeans, now constantly say thanks am.
  3. Altona
    Altona 21 May 2014 08: 28
    +1
    China is interested in just such Russia as it is today, namely, as a stronghold of truly independent states. The arrival of the first person with an extensive economic and political program is of course a huge event for both China and the world.
    1. Eugeniy_369k
      Eugeniy_369k 21 May 2014 09: 23
      0
      Quote: Altona
      China is interested in just such Russia as it is today

      He died, China is interested in how to eat a piece before the Urals and will not choke.
      1. Altona
        Altona 21 May 2014 10: 37
        0
        Quote: Eugeniy_369k
        He died, China is interested in how to eat a piece before the Urals and will not choke.

        -------------------------
        Okay, I'll eat it ... What next? How does he justify such an annexation? How will the "world community" meet him? China, represented by its leadership, in general, is not a completely stupid person, and understands that one force of arms will not be enough ... I wanted to say ... And also due to this circumstance, China will not be able to act as a center of power, even if it conquers all the disputed territories ... And in China they understand this perfectly ...
        1. Eugeniy_369k
          Eugeniy_369k 21 May 2014 10: 54
          +1
          Quote: Altona
          How will he justify such an annexation?

          He will justify the "self-determination of the nation"; there are already more of them in the Far East than military, police and other security officials combined.
          Quote: Altona
          And to the Chinese Foreign Ministry to the Russian one in terms of qualifications and authority in the world, as we are to the Chinese border ..

          You are talking nonsense, diplomacy without power is dust, if not for our Strategic Missile Forces chkhali on our "authoritative" Foreign Ministry.
          But China has not only nuclear weapons, but also the economy is not a couple of our raw materials.
          Quote: Altona
          How does he justify such an annexation? How will the "world community" meet him?

          As well as our accession of Crimea hi .
          1. max702
            max702 21 May 2014 13: 01
            +3
            If it were not for nuclear weapons and the Strategic Missile Forces, we would not have existed for 50 years, and I will remind you that even the USSR did not plan to fight China without the use of nuclear weapons, so nothing has changed. The only thing that is alarming is the ability of the current leadership of the country to use nuclear weapons if necessary .. Now the stakes in the world are high as never before, the world capital, led by the USA, understands perfectly well that the monopoly is ending, and is trying to prolong it by any methods at an hour, which are very risky, Ukraine is a vivid example of this. The world behind the scenes is painfully brazen, clearly not believing in the possibility of getting a response once and for all .. Under the USSR they were afraid and behaved more sanely, but now they are not .. So it’s time to test nuclear weapons at the test site, and so that it becomes finally clear that we will apply it in the hour "x", it is possible to organize combat use, there are plenty of targets that have lost the coast .. Because of some Qatar, the bourgeoisie of the third world will not start because they will lose everything! But we have come close to this, we have practically nothing to lose, let's admit the slack and in the next 10-30 years we will perish.
          2. Altona
            Altona 21 May 2014 13: 55
            0
            Quote: Eugeniy_369k
            But China has not only nuclear weapons, but also the economy is not a couple of our raw materials.

            -------------------------
            China has a lot of things - the economy, the population and all that ... I wrote earlier and will repeat now, the question of the Urals for China lies in your imagination for now, and China has more pressing territorial issues with its neighbors-Japan, Vietnam, the Philippines in terms of water areas and archipelagos, the same Taiwan should not be forgotten. But you probably talk about some kind of chess game. Politics is the art of the possible, not the desired ...
            1. alleksSalut4507
              alleksSalut4507 21 May 2014 21: 21
              0
              what is - "islands" if there is rich. well, and something ascending, for example, Sikhote-Alin.
          3. alleksSalut4507
            alleksSalut4507 21 May 2014 21: 14
            0
            yes keep silent, however.
        2. Checks
          Checks 21 May 2014 12: 41
          +1
          Honestly, China has a monopenisal view of the world community on the strategic directions of its development. Students crushed on the square in the late 1980s, sitting in India and afraid of the essence, were carried to China by the Dalai Lama, built-up Uighurs ... You still scare China with the UN opinion!)
        3. alleksSalut4507
          alleksSalut4507 21 May 2014 21: 08
          0
          China has the largest trained army. The USA will not go to defend our democracy. 300 million teahouses will instantly settle down and engage in agriculture for the prosperity of their beloved ones. They tell in stories about a fairy-tale country in the north, just around the corner. tirelessly.?
      2. alleksSalut4507
        alleksSalut4507 21 May 2014 21: 02
        0
        China is interested in just such Russia as it is at the moment .... "after Tat-Mongol..ga-2" ...
  4. saag
    saag 21 May 2014 08: 30
    +4
    So far, no gas fanfare can be heard, in general, such articles should be issued after a fait accompli, and not in advance
    1. i80186
      i80186 21 May 2014 08: 56
      +3
      Quote: saag
      Yamal LNG has signed a contract with CNPC to supply 3 million tons of LNG annually, the Yamal LNG report said. The contract was signed on DES for 20 years, the price of LNG will be determined by the formula with reference to the JCC (Japanese Crude Cocktail) oil index. According to the leadership of Novatek  Leonid Michelson, which are cited in the message, this deal "will serve as a reliable basis for mutually beneficial cooperation."

      The Yamal LNG project (Novatek - 60%, French Total and Chinese CNPC - 20% each) provides for the construction of an LNG plant with a capacity of 16,5 million tons and the development of the South Tambeyskoye field. Vedomosti sources said earlier that Gazprom  is offering Chinese companies a stake in the Vladivostok LNG project and contracts for the purchase of liquefied natural gas. Gas consumption will increase in China, so the country is looking for ways to pre-contract volumes, says Snykov.

      Read on: http://www.vedomosti.ru/companies/news/26751571/putin-otkryl-okno-v-kitaj#ixzz32
      K5HzHoU
      1. saag
        saag 21 May 2014 09: 01
        +1
        Well, you see for yourself that this is Novatek, not Gazprom, the interest participation is especially interesting :-)
        1. i80186
          i80186 21 May 2014 09: 08
          0
          Quote: saag
          Well, you see for yourself that this is Novatek, not Gazprom, the interest participation is especially interesting :-)

          Well, so the pipe has not yet been built before China.
          At the beginning of 2010, Novatek’s reserves, according to the Russian classification, amounted to 2,5 trillion cubic meters. m
          In general, what to sell them too.
      2. Eugeniy_369k
        Eugeniy_369k 21 May 2014 09: 29
        0
        This is the opinion of one side (our "effective managers", and they are not will save they will say), but what did the Chinese say? Or are you with them for the chairman of the Communist Party?
        1. alleksSalut4507
          alleksSalut4507 21 May 2014 21: 23
          0
          they said "give us everything .... and right away"
      3. Nayhas
        Nayhas 21 May 2014 10: 20
        +1
        Quote: i80186
        Yamal LNG signed a contract with CNPC for the supply of 3 million tons of LNG annually

        This is only 4 billion m3 of gas per year.
        1. Eugeniy_369k
          Eugeniy_369k 21 May 2014 13: 23
          0
          Quote: Nayhas
          This is only 4 billion m3 of gas per year.

          Aha yes , when consumed in 2008 (for this year, too lazy to look for crying ) 80 billion m3 per year.
  5. Alll1
    Alll1 21 May 2014 08: 31
    +1
    On the gas, something is quiet so far, - to see they are strangling with "brotherly" embraces, or maybe they are holding a pause, you understand hell, it's a delicate matter.
  6. super-vitek
    super-vitek 21 May 2014 08: 33
    +13
    The article minus! Too clearly traced such a puppy's delight about this, although if you look at anything global, Russia did not win. It redirected the sale of resources and that's it! No new enterprises with jobs, no purchase of technology ANYTHING !!! On the contrary, they sold MI- 26 Chinese, with all this, we are not developing a new heavy helicopter ourselves. It can be assumed that in a year or so three of our helicopters will squeeze cheaper Chinese copies from the market. Let's just say that it’s not too early or even worth talking about "friendship forever"!
    1. Checks
      Checks 21 May 2014 08: 57
      +4
      Big minus article! What stupid eastern people are that they do not have to calculate the benefits for themselves from the situation around Russia! In China, of course, they have been waiting for us all these years, when we, such orphaned and humiliated, will come and feed us and give us drink, give us a ton of money, start joyfully buying our goods and raw materials at world prices ... Do not feed the ghostly illusions! And the rest of the regina states have long been firmly under the heel of the United States. We need to develop a strategic partnership with our partners, proven over the years and history, and, above all, with India.
      1. Checks
        Checks 21 May 2014 10: 09
        +14
        I repeat, stop singing praises to our would-be managers who frighten themselves with the possibility of turning the pipe to the East! This is pure bluff, and in America it is well understood. When the United States cut off the supply of goods to foreign markets, Beijing, taking advantage of the current situation, reoriented to the domestic market. It is also high time for us to lower the cost of fuel and energy resources for domestic consumers to the lowest possible! Stop feeding the shareholders of Gazprom and Rosneft. Reducing the cost of fuel will significantly affect the development of our own production, lower the cost of domestic products, make them more competitive in the domestic market, and reduce transport costs, which, given the great length of our state, will stimulate trade between the entities of Russia.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 21 May 2014 10: 22
          0
          Quote: Check
          Stop feeding the shareholders of Gazprom and Rosneft. Lower fuel costs will have a significant impact on

          Ktozh argues. Just do not happen to this.
        2. valerei
          valerei 21 May 2014 11: 53
          +2
          Quote: Check
          It is also high time for us to reduce the cost of fuel and energy resources for domestic consumers to the lowest possible! Stop feeding the shareholders of Gazprom and Rosneft. Reducing the cost of fuel will significantly affect the development of our own production, lower the cost of domestic products, make them more competitive in the domestic market, and reduce transport costs, which, given the great length of our state, will stimulate trade between the entities of Russia.

          Recently I was traveling by bus from Sergiev Posad to Moscow and on the way, on one of the houses of a roadside village there was a poster: "We cannot achieve gasification for four years, shame!" And this is in the Moscow region! The Russian authorities do not want to redirect gas and oil flows to improve the life of the Russian population. It would seem: we all have the right to preferential use of our own wealth of our own territory in our own interests according to the right of the population of this territory. However, a lot of settlements do not have main gas, the pipeline is surrounded by a mass of "permits" and "bans", often far-fetched, in order to extort bribes. The sums and prices of gas and oil workers, which are absolutely unaffordable for the majority of our half-impoverished population, are direct sabotage and undermine the foundations of Russia as a state, since the end result is a decline in the quantity and quality of the Russian population. Yes, what to say! Who is listening to us? Nobody but ourselves.
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 21 May 2014 13: 52
            +1
            Quote: valerei
            Recently I was traveling by bus from Sergiev Posad to Moscow and on the way, on one of the houses of a roadside village there was a poster: "We cannot achieve gasification for four years, shame!" And this is in the Moscow region!

            It’s even inconvenient for me to laugh .... There are many cities in Siberia in which they don’t even dream of gas. Take East Siberia, this is where the famous Kovykta deposit, Ulan-Ude, Abakan, Minusinsk are fueled with coal and firewood ... WOOD! This is in the 21st century in a country with rich gas reserves! There is nothing to breathe in winter, everything is in smoke ...
        3. RF citizen
          RF citizen 21 May 2014 14: 04
          +3
          Quote: Check
          It’s also time for us to lower the cost of fuel and energy resources for domestic consumers to the minimum possible!

          And here is a shish on the collar of the people. Do you know why this will not happen? It's simple. We plow for rubles, and with them we pay for services. Oil and gas are sold over the hillock for euros and dollars. Owners of the "national property" do not need rubles. They live over the hill, where their wives, children, mistresses, yachts, football clubs and so on.
          Alas, now it’s not socialism, but wild capitalism. The poor get poorer, the rich get richer. That's when the CAM will say something like this: I decided to revive the Soviet model of governance: all the natural wealth, everything created by the people belongs to this people! Then prices will go down, then there will be less oligarchs, then life will be better and more fun.
          But, alas ...
          1. Checks
            Checks 21 May 2014 14: 29
            +1
            This is the trouble ... And until we restore the Soviet principle "who does not work, he does not eat" there can be no talk of a full-fledged revival of Russia. So we will pray for all sorts of stock markets and the will and wishes of foreign "partners" ...
        4. Roman Skomorokhov
          22 May 2014 00: 30
          0
          Quote: super-vitek
          Redirected the sale of resources and all !!! Neither new enterprises with jobs, nor the purchase of technology ANYTHING !!!


          Stoll news, look ... You are being informed too badly, if that. Especially about new businesses. CIA weakens, weakens.

          Quote: Check
          stop singing diframbs to our grief managers, frightening themselves with the possibility of turning the pipe to the East!


          The word "diffIramba" in Russian is written like this.

          And do not shout. Do not scare.

          Quote: Check
          It’s also time for us to lower the cost of fuel and energy resources for domestic consumers to the minimum possible!


          So lower, for what question? If it’s time for you, and you lower it, maybe it’s for the best.
          1. Checks
            Checks 22 May 2014 07: 44
            +1
            I will take into account the "praises" when I write a review for your next article. Maybe the FSB informed you about the gas price for the Chinese partners? Will it not work out like with electricity: in Khabarovsk I pay 2,5 rubles for kW, and a Chinese across the river for 1,5 rubles supplied from Russia. Or maybe it will soon be more profitable for me to buy gas from the Chinese. And another question for you, as an analyst, why in the Far East the cost of diesel fuel is comparable to the cost of 95 gasoline, or even more expensive? And why should we compensate for the fall in oil prices on the world market out of our own pockets? I think you don’t need to explain the importance of the cost of diesel fuel for the development of the region
          2. super-vitek
            super-vitek 22 May 2014 23: 42
            0
            Come on facts, but don’t make yourself a great philologist! What enterprises tell me?!?
  7. Gagarin
    Gagarin 21 May 2014 08: 42
    +1
    Yesterday, on Ukrainian TV channels, the signing of the treaty with China was presented as a serious loss to Putin’s policy, I would like to see yesterday’s meeting, and here ITS COMPLETE JOYFUL DEFERAMBAS ..
  8. Gorbtk
    Gorbtk 21 May 2014 08: 48
    +3
    Russia has only two allies - this is the army and navy ...
  9. saag
    saag 21 May 2014 08: 49
    -3
    Such are the allies with partners, China is evil
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 21 May 2014 09: 48
      +2
      You are wrong dear! China is a good ally and friend. But you need to be friends with him according to Eastern rules!
  10. Eugeniy_369k
    Eugeniy_369k 21 May 2014 09: 13
    +11
    The author is burning laughing
    Well, since the Russian with the Chinese are again brothers forever - so be it.

    Probably forgot that China is not our friend and has never behaved like a friend. During our difficulties in the 80s and 90s, China never helped us, and at the beginning of the 330s, it quickly fussed in advance and squeezed our territory, an island on the Amur with an area of ​​2,5 square kilometers. Under the current oil contracts, Rosneft (ie the state) loses about XNUMX lards of greenery.
    http://www.gazeta.ru/column/milov/5115473.shtml
    China is a very difficult partner and always bargains for the most profitable for itself (and disadvantageous for the buyer, that is, in this case, Russia) price; ...
    Alas, the gas contract does not appear in the list of documents prepared for signing documents. http://www.vedomosti.ru/companies/news/26695861/gazprom-ne-dogovorilsya-s-kitaem

    One Chinese expert said the question is political.
    According to Changan, the price of Russian gas is not a problem for China, the true reasons for the delay in signing the contract are political.
    “China can afford to pay for Russian gas and the“ European ”gas price, however, based on the negotiation process, we can conclude that the lack of an agreement on price is not all,” the expert is sure. “Most likely other projects are being discussed on the sidelines, the negotiation process on which is slow or stalled, therefore, until there is a shift on them, the Chinese side will not meet the Russian side in the gas issue.”

    It seems that without military technology (hi su35 and an air defense system), China will not take gas from us.
    It is also alarming that a decision was made to lift the informal threshold for restrictions on Chinese investments in strategic facilities in Russia, including large deposits of natural resources, Chinese companies are involved in major infrastructure projects - from the participation of Chinese companies in the transport corridor in Crimea to the construction of the metro in Moscow .
    Smart and pragmatic Chinese authorities are well aware that after a quarrel with the West, Russia, or rather, our president, had no choice but to go to Beijing asking for help (which he now does during his visit to China), and will take advantage of this to the full program, having squeezed everything that is possible from Russia, as in the previous decade they squeezed the territories and oil at a huge discount in price.
    Here we have such a brother now ....
    PS Since 2000, about 10 thousand officials were shot for corruption in China, another 120 thousand received 10-20 years in prison.
    For our officials it’s like a balm for the soul laughing
    1. Argyn-suindyk
      Argyn-suindyk 21 May 2014 10: 15
      +4
      100% support! Where used to be this China? I know the Chinese very well, it’s very difficult to bargain with them, because of the complexity and multi-stage negotiations, as a result, their not obvious benefit becomes obvious! Purchase of gas and oil will be only in exchange for technology! And the brotherhood of nations is for housewives.
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 21 May 2014 10: 25
      +3
      Quote: Eugeniy_369k
      Probably forgot that China is not our friend and never behaved like a friend. During our difficulties in the 80s and 90s, China never helped us.

      You are right, but not completely. Moreover, he did not help, he destroyed our industry. Rather, oooooochen did a lot for this.
      1. Eugeniy_369k
        Eugeniy_369k 21 May 2014 11: 07
        0
        Quote: Nayhas
        You are right, but not completely. Moreover, he did not help, he destroyed our industry. Rather, oooooochen did a lot for this.

        Thanks for the addition. wink .
        PS It's good that there are still people who adequately perceive the situation (without uryal-slogans and "leavened patriotism) and think with their own heads, and not" hawking from a zombie box "
        The author of the article then writes his nickname in English-Banshee, and it is already necessary to learn irgoglyphs laughing
        Great Wall
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          22 May 2014 00: 34
          0
          And your nickname in spanish, huh?

          Or am I confusing something?

          And the hieroglyphs have already been learned ...

          So who among us has a curve with his face?
  11. frejaodina
    frejaodina 21 May 2014 09: 16
    +7
    China understands very well if they are next in line to dump Russia. Therefore, China stood back to back with Russia to defend its country. If you listen to the statements of China in relation to Japan, South Korea, you can hear the same words as we say in relation to Europe, ie: "Let's be friends!" Now we have one enemy with China - the United States, with its attempts to maintain the status of world hegemony. I hope Russia and China will succeed in displacing the United States from the pedestal.
  12. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 21 May 2014 09: 20
    0
    I think the Chinese will now squeeze with the price of gas, they will not miss their own. It is unlikely that they will agree on a price now, wait until more sanctions against us in the West are accepted, and there they will offer the lowest possible price.
  13. Not angry
    Not angry 21 May 2014 09: 21
    0
    At this time, the cooperation between Russia and China is beneficial to two parties. This is not a union and not friendship, namely cooperation. What will happen next will show time. If these relations help the development of Russian industry this is only a plus.
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    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      22 May 2014 00: 36
      0
      Sometimes it's better to just chew than talk. Nothing to write - go knit.
  15. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 21 May 2014 09: 30
    +5
    We have already gone to this direction more than once ... there is a certain experience ... different experience ... you just need to draw the right conclusions and remember ... China may be a temporary companion in the zone of its interests ... BUT he will never be an ally .
  16. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 21 May 2014 09: 30
    +5
    Well, I don’t know about the economy, but militarily and politically this is a big plus .. If it weren’t for China’s support, both in the Syrian crisis and in Ukrainian Russia, it would be hard (if not worse, we would simply be crushed) Double standards of the West and EU's simple-minded policies are already fed up .. China doesn’t need to be afraid (by the way, it’s liberals and all kinds of anti-Russian mongrels that scare us from China and think about why ..) But we will have time to agree on the gas agreement (price) at the implementation stage and will pass years before everything is built and gas supplies begin everything can change .. Here's something I think.
    1. volcano
      volcano 21 May 2014 09: 59
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Well, I don’t know about the economy, but militarily and politically this is a big plus .. If it weren’t for China’s support, both in the Syrian crisis and in Ukrainian Russia, it would be hard (if not worse, we would simply be crushed) Double standards of the West and EU's simple-minded policies are already fed up .. China doesn’t need to be afraid (by the way, it’s liberals and all kinds of anti-Russian mongrels that scare us from China and think about why ..) But we will have time to agree on the gas agreement (price) at the implementation stage and will pass years before everything is built and gas supplies begin everything can change .. Here's something I think.


      so tell us more about this support. Ato, I don’t know anything other than the silence and neutrality of China in Ukraine. Moreover, China did not like the Crimean question at all. So the fact that our media are shouting about the support of China is just an attempt to pass off wishful thinking.
      China has its own interest. He is not with the West, but also not with Russia in the sense we would like. China now clearly follows the adage "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." We (Russia) are enemies of China's enemies. just.
      And it was correctly noticed. We will pay for gas for China with technology. Including the military. And oh, how bad.
      so if you do not pay attention to the enthusiasm of the media and members of the forum "Oh, how good everything is" and how we "bent the West" The situation is, in fact, pretty bad. Russia found itself between a rock and a hard place. And we must try hard to get out of this situation at least like a rooster in the Bremen Town Musicians. Plucked but not defeated.
    2. rasputin17
      rasputin17 21 May 2014 10: 00
      -1
      I support your opinion! Let us now lose something economically with China, but win politically and militarily. Russia really needs this union of dragon and bear. The world cannot be unipolar with a mattress flag at its top. The world will begin to change only if a new pole appears, the exact opposite of the existing one!
  17. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 21 May 2014 09: 40
    +3
    Again, floundering from side to side, in 1991 Russia supporting her pants ran after the West, now that they realized that no one was waiting for us there, they rushed to the East, of course there were much more prospects, there were more friends, if any, in politics. Europe, in fact, everything was already firmly laid down under the United States, and apart from Belarus, where the old man put things in order, there were no friends at all. And instead of taking advantage of the geographical position between the West and the East, Russia went back and forth, and as a result, nothing. look for friends, they don’t have anywhere, even the Americans don’t have friends, they even have especially. Yes, and in general it’s time to think about what else Russia can offer the world itself besides hydrocarbons.
  18. mamont5
    mamont5 21 May 2014 09: 59
    +2
    All is correct. Russia is a Euro-Asian country and where Europe can compete with the East. Turned east and forth, there the United States has much less garters. Japan and South Korea, which have an oriental mind on their own, they will quickly reorient themselves when they realize that the time has come. Europe itself creeps to us. and the United States in the burnout.
  19. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 21 May 2014 10: 07
    +1
    I don’t remember that under Putin something was decided with such fanfare and tinsel, they won’t sign a gas agreement, until they squeezed the Chinese with tankers in the Malak Strait, they would take time, then they would decide everything in an emergency, now they would be able to squeeze out a little more edit the numbers it would seem almost consistent, taking into account how much time and money should be spent to master and deliver Russia will not move much, in general there will be anything but a gas deal. The Chinese are wokatka and all the time they want to squeeze a little bit, in the end, as a rule, they get the most bullshit from what is on the market.
    The eastward turn for Russia is also unnecessary, we have to work everywhere for profit, the price of an alliance with China is not higher and not lower than the price of an alliance with the USA and the reliability is the same, so a visit to China is a media project there is nothing breakthrough there and not planned
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    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      22 May 2014 00: 37
      0
      It creates the feeling that you need to buy a little culture.
  21. kaa1977
    kaa1977 21 May 2014 10: 16
    +2
    Well I do not know. You need to be friends with China at a distance. and you should not let them in. Too unpredictable "ally". Further trade relations should not climb.
  22. Orel
    Orel 21 May 2014 10: 27
    +1
    Damn, they found an ally.
  23. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 21 May 2014 10: 28
    +3
    I read the comments and it turns out that everyone is right to some extent. In my opinion, China is a dangerous partner, there are too many of them, if you relax, they will eat and not notice. On the other hand, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." we have one - the USA, therefore, while we are on the way.

    But at the same time, for the sake of politics, it is impossible to spit on the economy and act on the principle "to spite my mother's ears, I will frostbite."
    The expert considers the non-signing of the gas agreement a positive factor: this means that, despite the deterioration of Russia's negotiating position due to Western sanctions, Moscow still takes a tough stance and does not make concessions. In the West, this will be interpreted as a failure, Lukyanov believes, but it would have been much worse for Russia if it had made an economically unprofitable deal because of the political situation.

    Read on: http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/26750931/antiamerikanskij-sammit#ixzz32KRo

    7dmc

    In any case, all kinds of small hounds bark, and the caravan goes on and that's good.
  24. kirgudu
    kirgudu 21 May 2014 10: 33
    -1
    The main thing is that they do not copy everything. Then they will not care about Russia and its technologies.
  25. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 21 May 2014 10: 34
    +2
    Again about friendship, how many bumps you can ride. We are not friends with China, but partners. In the circumstances and by mutual agreement. As soon as circumstances change, and partnership ceases to bring the desired benefits, it will immediately cease. It's like a marriage of convenience, the calculation is over, the marriage is over, strangers. Therefore, illusions must be avoided, and it is safe to use the provided framework without worrying about friendship for centuries.
  26. waisson
    waisson 21 May 2014 10: 36
    0
    AND OTHERWISE WE DO NOT CRUSH THE AMERICAN HYDRA
  27. waisson
    waisson 21 May 2014 10: 38
    0
    ------------------ hi
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 21 May 2014 11: 06
      +3
      waisson (2) Buddy! Why do you have Russia painted on the flag color on the map only in the Asian part?))) The European part of the country is not ours along the way?)))
      1. Eugeniy_369k
        Eugeniy_369k 21 May 2014 11: 39
        +2
        Quote: Nagaibak
        Is the European part of the country not ours?

        Scha draw laughing , for one and let Mongolia add hi
  28. marder4
    marder4 21 May 2014 10: 43
    0
    although they say that bad friendship is better than a good war, but with the Chinese, you still need to keep your ears open ...
  29. anfreezer
    anfreezer 21 May 2014 10: 47
    +1
    So, besides the economy .."The official China Daily estimates that there are 30 million gay people in China."Dear mother, 30 lyamov p .... in, 1/4 of Russia. Yes, they don’t even need a sun belay.. so so .. laughing т
    1. Eugeniy_369k
      Eugeniy_369k 21 May 2014 15: 33
      +1
      Quote: anfreezer
      "Mom dear, 30 lamas p .... in, 1/4 of Russia.

      Well, how will they come to the parade? laughing laughing laughing
  30. sergerz
    sergerz 21 May 2014 10: 55
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Petrovich
    Friendship is certainly good, but does China consider it friendship? You look at the most crucial moment, they stab a knife in the back.

    Hardly. They do not make sudden movements themselves. Even Damansky was strained for several years. True, sometimes there were events when China was very weak, and the actions were dictated to him by the Anglo-Saxons and Europe. I'm talking about the conflict on the CER. But here one must always demonstrate one's strength. What we have successfully done. And when we are strong, China is friends with us. Moreover, it is pressed by the same Anglo-Saxons. The current situation with Vietnam is incomprehensible, but it seems to me that the same ones are invading Vietnam.
  31. dld35057
    dld35057 21 May 2014 11: 09
    +1
    A gas contract must be signed. In China, they are ready to give them to us for real resources in bags. they have nowhere to go and give European prices. in the meantime, the buck has not collapsed, we will invest - yes, anywhere. very pakozatelbnaya special operation. all satisfied, except amers.
  32. muginov2015
    muginov2015 21 May 2014 11: 11
    0
    You can be friends with China, but only by tightly squeezing the rolls and picking up other loin parts for yourself.
  33. tokin1959
    tokin1959 21 May 2014 11: 18
    +3
    China has never been and never will be Russia either friend or ally.
    and not even a partner.
    China is currently taking advantage of the situation.
  34. aud13
    aud13 21 May 2014 11: 38
    +1
    It seems that the Chinese decided to seize the moment and, against the backdrop of the crisis with gas supplies through Ukraine, achieve its lowering for themselves.
    Well, in this case, Putin thinks it’s right that he does not rush to immediately sign this agreement. China’s demand for gas is obvious, and most likely its plans have already been set for what purposes this gas will go. Therefore, it is better to wait a bit until the Chinese understand that they can’t get gas at a cheap price.
    Ultimately, China should be stronger than us in ensuring the energy security of its country for many years.
  35. Hort
    Hort 21 May 2014 12: 00
    0
    Now at least a full ally. Language does not turn to be a partner.
    exactly the opposite.
  36. Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin 21 May 2014 12: 04
    +1
    It is foolish to see China as an enemy; it needs Russia as an ally and partner, and not as an object for expansion. The enemy we have with China is now common - the global Parasite of the Anglo-Saxons, so we are forced to defend ourselves. And personally, I am glad that Volodya went to the Celestial Empire, it's high time! Europe fell under the mattress covers - all the worse for her. And given their current values ​​- even more so. As for Russia, an alliance with China is only to our advantage. Set aside panic and defeatist sentiment!
  37. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 21 May 2014 13: 04
    +5
    Nevertheless, China is a good ally (albeit dangerous) for us in the current situation.
    Russia and China are the only ones who are opposed in the open arrogance of the Saxons and whom they are afraid of .. I will repeat again on most anti-Russian sites Russia is constantly scared by China (and for a long time) And there is such a sign if we are scared and scolded, then we are doing everything right! Nothing of special importance has been signed yet .. But joint military exercises are a serious proclamation (usually military exercises are not conducted with potential enemies) I hope Putin will be careful and cunning in these relations between our countries! So calm down, China is not going to attack us and steal technology .. Russia is any stronger than China (in which case) ..
  38. melnik
    melnik 21 May 2014 13: 21
    +1
    It is only at the sight of an illiterate person that the Chinese live in China. There are hundreds of ethnic groups, and not all profess Buddhism. China is very vulnerable, dependent on markets, it needs friends, for good. Well, the modern leadership of Russia is extremely pragmatic. Putin mentally straight German. Everything will be fine
  39. naGua
    naGua 21 May 2014 13: 22
    +5
    China, by virtue of its uh-uh, national-mental-historical-psychological characteristics, has never been and cannot be to anyone else. Temporary ally, yes, but only temporary. China can only be a friend to itself. At the moment, he is only strong because of the CCP's holding power together. As soon as the leaders of the Celestial Empire give up the slack, the Age of the Warring Kingdoms will begin in the country. True, the leadership of the CCP at the moment reminds me more of a kind of New Imperial dynasty, and 中华人民共和国 主席 is Zhonghua Renmin Gonghego Zhuxi, the head of state is the emperor. And the Xiao principle is still strong enough now. China is self-sufficient enough. A tautology, however precise. Simply put, when negotiating with the Chinese, be vigilant, be aware of the root of the conversation, because in a conversation with the Chinese there are a lot of pitfalls and second layers, and do not believe a penny in his sweet smiles. Then he will be a great ally.
  40. vasyliy1
    vasyliy1 21 May 2014 13: 48
    0
    It’s true that in a hurry Russia did not conclude a gas contract with China on conditions that were not favorable to us. The main thing here is to calculate everything well and make a well-considered move. In modern conditions, the allies are always temporary - putting Russia's interests at the forefront.
  41. Altona
    Altona 21 May 2014 13: 48
    0
    Quote: Eugeniy_369k
    You are talking nonsense, diplomacy without power is dust, if not for our Strategic Missile Forces chkhali on our "authoritative" Foreign Ministry.
    But China has not only nuclear weapons, but also the economy is not a couple of our raw materials.

    ----------------------------------
    And what is the difference between the Chinese Foreign Ministry? what problem did he solve? You will first learn to talk without using the expressions "rubbish" ... rubbish until only you ...
  42. Rezpect
    Rezpect 21 May 2014 13: 53
    0
    Yes, yes ... friendly hugs. What do you think China will expand in which direction? And why is this the last Chinese exercises held in the north where they climbed in the snow and dive into icy water - nothing to prepare for a conflict with Africa ......
    1. alleksSalut4507
      alleksSalut4507 21 May 2014 21: 52
      0
      yes. they cool off so as not to boil ..
  43. ychiglincev
    ychiglincev 21 May 2014 14: 39
    0
    It's time to look for partners in the east, to strengthen economic and political ties. And the Americans once again screwed up.
  44. Dbnfkmtdbx
    Dbnfkmtdbx 21 May 2014 14: 48
    0
    Yes, thanks to Obama, it seems to me that our president shook the old days and recruited Obama, because how else to consider everything that Obama does not do against Russia all in color all in color good
  45. GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 21 May 2014 14: 58
    0
    "Fear the Danes who bring gifts"
  46. melnik
    melnik 21 May 2014 14: 59
    0
    The degradation of the CCP is inevitable, in China they understand this. Here's how to carry out reforms without destroying the country.? A riddle for the Nobel laureate. We didn’t succeed. They will start with the Uyghurs, the co-religionists are near. China will still rush to the legs of Russia, mark my word. How we managed to save the country .. the capitals are still scratching the back of the head in the Capitol ..
  47. Free wind
    Free wind 21 May 2014 16: 24
    0
    The main problem of the Chinas is their population that breeds like rats. It is dangerous to breathe air in major cities of China on some days. The water of almost all rivers and lakes in China is poisonous. And next to the neighbors are clean rivers, wonderful healing air, BAIKAL. drew attention to the sky in Beijing when Putin met. the sky is gray from smog, through the smog the silhouette of the sun is hardly visible, and this despite the fact that the day of arrival and weather conditions are chosen very carefully. quick-eyed is very breeding that the water of our rivers can be drunk, you simply scoop and drink with your palm. They have this suicide. The phrase touched, they do not have a pid ... aces, so .... 30 million!?! ??? Well, not at all.
    1. alleksSalut4507
      alleksSalut4507 21 May 2014 21: 56
      0
      these guys should be sent to euro. they will win everybody. there.
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    1. Free wind
      Free wind 21 May 2014 18: 59
      +1
      I beg your pardon, but here on the site, this author is constantly frightened by Europe and these, led by Conchita, and are encouraged to be friends with China, because Putin wants to. and because these are not there. 30 million no. By analogy, there is no army in China. 10 million, it does not exist, not 0, but you can say "army minus 3". In my opinion, friendship with China is Russian roulette, WITH ONE UNLOADED CARTRIDGE, AND TEN BATTLE!
  49. Watson J.
    Watson J. 21 May 2014 18: 33
    +2
    Now I am summarizing in the style of conspiracy theories :) It seems that those who accumulate gold reserves in China (find the owners of the Bank of China) are achieving their goal with the help of dollar printers themselves. :) China, according to the Taiwanese Defense Ministry, will start a war by 2020, it seems that by the same time events will be timed for the final dismantling of the printing industry and lowering the United States to its rightful place. Do not go to a fortuneteller, China, and those who hold their little gold there, in such circumstances, Russia needs an ally, not a liberalist litter, either Geyropa, or the USA with an unclear military-political orientation. Always advocated (following the rules) rapprochement with China. We are mutually beneficial, we are mutually beneficial. Russia can only benefit from such an alliance (subject to the observance of the rules). Well done analysts who decided to put on the Russian Federation as an ally of the future world hegemon. We will count, their share of the pie will also be, of course. I am satisfied. It’s bad, of course, that ordinary people in Ukraine suffer from the US policy of the United States. But here conflicting feelings constantly struggle. After all, everything is on hand, all the pancake is smart, they know everything, and they don’t do nichrome, but they write so that it becomes nauseous. Where did the brain go? By and large, they suffer - from the lack of just normal everyday thinking and everyday logic. Who's guilty? Putin! What to do? To the knives! And the same Putin should send the Russian guys to die because of someone's laziness, stinginess and stupidity? (I ask you personally not to be offended, I read logical things from the inhabitants of Ukraine, but their number is drowning in a sea of ​​idiocy). No, my son will risk his life only for the interests of the Empire, no matter how it is called now.
  50. Watson J.
    Watson J. 21 May 2014 18: 54
    0
    And it may very well turn out that we have already been squeezed out of the Geyropei gas market. In this vein, a contract at a very decent price for Asia is a very good move. Grandmas are needed. But to complain about who is being traded and how? So it’s as usual. Explore and bargain the same way. But in general, by and large, it is our fault for each of us both for the collapse of the USSR and for much of what needs to be disentangled and sometimes forced to do. Not Putin collapsed the USSR, but we tacitly agreed. So it’s necessary not to be clever and scold the authorities, but to seek a way out, criticize, and propose solutions. Well, act whenever possible.