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Fighting on the Russian-Ukrainian border

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According to RIA "News", with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, on Monday a group of unidentified armed persons attacked a roadblock near Amvrosiyivka in the territory of the Donetsk region. As a result of the collision, one attacker died, another seven were injured, no injuries among the Ukrainian military.


The press service of the department noted that around Monday at 12: 30 Moscow time, ten cars arrived in a checkpoint near the Uspenka checkpoint on the state border with Russia, in which there were more than fifty unknown armed men. The militants broke up into groups approximately 400 meters from the roadblock and started shooting at the Ukrainian soldiers, who “accepted the battle”, giving “adequate resistance”. The fight lasted about half an hour.

“As a result of the armed confrontation among the Ukrainian soldiers, there are no casualties,” the press service informs. It is noted that one assailant died, another seven were injured. Also, the military destroyed several cars.

It is worth noting that the representative of the press service of the Donetsk People's Republic Vitaly Ivanov did not confirm the data of the media about the death of a militiaman during a clash near the border with Russia. Some media cited evidence of local residents about aimed fire, open to passing cars. According to Ivanov, this is “information from a very unreliable source.”
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  1. siberko
    siberko 20 May 2014 06: 35
    +4
    another provocation ... already quite Ohreneli!
    1. older
      older 20 May 2014 06: 43
      +4
      Yes, what provocation? The military imitate the war ... They fired on the bus and the attack. I’m more interested in this situation. The knee-highs shook at the junta. They understand that they will lose the border anyway soon ... The border guards are not motocotyledonous. They especially resist will not, if that. So from day to day, the Strelkov will make such a decision to capture the checkpoint at the border ...
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 20 May 2014 07: 08
        +8
        Quote: older
        . Border guards are not moto-hoofed parts. They will not particularly resist

        Sorry, I don’t agree, why do you think the border guards are not combat-ready? I certainly don’t know how the Ukrop border guards are, but when compared with ours .... But remember the Second World War, the Germans were fucked up by the resistance of the border guards! The war was already far away, and the outposts were fighting!
        1. halg
          halg 20 May 2014 07: 46
          +3
          In ancient times he served at the border. Soviet border guards performed their duty with honor. Times have changed and the picture, especially in Ukria, has changed a lot. "Terrible Ukrainian prikordonniki" are strong above all in the spirit of profit. Himself many times traveled with a load through Uspenka. Seen enough at the behavior of customs and border guards (I can’t dare to call them that).
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 20 May 2014 07: 10
      +5
      Quote: siberko
      another provocation ... already quite Ohreneli!

      This is an imitation, not a provocation. Although the militia has one very important task, to take border points under its control.
      Once you have declared yourself an independent state, then control your borders. No borders - no state. This is the number one task.
  2. crasever
    crasever 20 May 2014 06: 35
    +2
    The defenders of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are now urgently adopting the experience of their grandfathers, how they burned Hitler's "armor" with the anti-tank rifles of Degtyarev and Simonov. They love, of course, old ones and talk about abstract topics (age !!!), but they have not lost their military knowledge and their grandchildren (and those have already had their eyes shining !!!). from PTRS ("there were hits, and whether they hit it or not - we'll find out later" - I. Strelkov) ...
    1. older
      older 20 May 2014 06: 46
      +1
      The PRT is a weapon that is terrible for vehicles with light armor. The main thing is that modern tricks do not help ... Shot like with a rifle, which means it is not possible to track the moment of aiming ... You just need to explain the most vulnerable places of the vehicles to the soldiers ...
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 20 May 2014 07: 11
        0
        Quote: older
        Just need to explain to the fighters the most vulnerable places of cars ...

        I am sure they know the vulnerabilities of domestic technology.
        1. igor_m_p
          igor_m_p 20 May 2014 07: 31
          0
          Yes, what is there to know something special. For PTR, the most vulnerable part is the engine. In optics, taking into account the accuracy of such weapons, it’s quite difficult to get there, it would be justified to have an airborne compartment if there was a landing in the car, but taking into account the experience of recent wars, landing parties are preferred to be planted on armor ... Detonation of an ammunition unit using anti-tank missiles is also very problematic only if by chance. So only the engine remains.
    2. fennekRUS
      fennekRUS 20 May 2014 07: 00
      +1
      According to the website http://www.pobediteli.ru/, on the occasion of the 60th anniversary of the victory (2005), there were just over 1 million veterans alive. This is a good, accurate site, I think this figure can be trusted.
      The average age of these veterans in 2005 was 82-83 years (my estimate). Here is a table of the probability of death at a certain age: http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4c6.html
      82 years old - men - 7,5%, women - 5,5%
      92 years old - men - 20%, women - 16%
      Averaging and considering that this is data for the USA, where the average life expectancy is longer than ours, it is very rude to say that the average probability of death of a veteran was 15% for each of the 9 years since 2005.
      0,85 ^ 9 = 0.23
      That is, with fairly great certainty we can say that now there are from 200 to 300 thousand veterans. Their average age is 91-92 years, now every year they are becoming less than about 20%.
      I am afraid that I will not transfer the experience to anyone else. Pure improvisation. Estimate yourself age- let’s say in 1944 at the age of 18 years-70 + 18 = how much? Do you know a lot of old people who have survived to this age? units, alas.
      1. EvgenSuslov
        EvgenSuslov 20 May 2014 07: 09
        +1
        In our small Ural village for 13 thousand. Residents are still alive 3 veterans. This year they were honored at the school parade. And these are grandfathers who, after the war, also stood in the mine for 20-25 years. So should still stay, should ...
    3. yushch
      yushch 20 May 2014 07: 03
      0
      BMD duralumin, if it was hit, it will be flashed through, only the tower more or less has a powerful reservation. But if you get into the stern, then kapets to the car, and if just into the hull. There will simply be extra holes for ventilation.
      1. igor_m_p
        igor_m_p 20 May 2014 07: 41
        0
        if it’s just in the case, then fragments are formed - fragments of armor and bullets, which in principle can hit people in the car, provided that they are there, and so - the probability of serious damage is really quite small ...
  3. mig31
    mig31 20 May 2014 06: 39
    +2
    There is no faith in the press service of the MOU, since this is the service of the State Department. We will wait for news from reliable sources. And it’s time to take the border under the control of the DPR.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 20 May 2014 06: 46
      +5
      Quote: mig31
      And it’s time to take the border under the control of the DPR.

      This is the most urgent need of the newly organized republics. I don’t know why they are delaying this. With whom to fight there? With graduates of the Khmelnitsky Prikordonny Academy? These are all the sons of the Khmelnytsky bazaars and shopkeepers who entered there and studied for bribes. They will run away after the first shot!
      1. older
        older 20 May 2014 06: 49
        +2
        Quote: bistrov.
        I don’t know why they are delaying this.

        But what is not clear? You can take control of the border. But then you need to have units there that can wage a serious war. With trenches, with tank attacks and other delights of positional combat. And the militia is not ready for this. There are no serious anti-tank systems, there are no aircraft, there is not enough armored vehicles.
        1. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov 20 May 2014 07: 21
          +2
          Quote: older
          . There are no serious PT systems, no aviation, no armored vehicles in sufficient quantities.

          I agree. It’s not so difficult to take, how to hold on. On the other hand, they will take the border, and equipment will appear and volunteers from our side .... God grant that our officials have the wisdom to at least implicitly supply the DPR army with weapons. our warehouses are full of ATGMs, MANPADS, and RPGs of Soviet construction, which could be quietly transferred.
        2. O_RUS
          O_RUS 20 May 2014 07: 38
          +1
          Quote: older
          You can take control of the border, but then you need to have units there that can wage a serious war


          I would add a legal basis for future border guards. For the border of the DNI, fighters are needed, independent of another material source, the government must at least provide for the first stage
        3. bistrov.
          bistrov. 20 May 2014 07: 56
          0
          Quote: older
          But then you need to have units there that can wage a serious war

          Something I do not understand? With whom are you going to wage a "serious war" there? With Russia?
          1. O_RUS
            O_RUS 20 May 2014 11: 53
            +1
            Quote: bistrov.
            Something I did not understand you?


            oh, familiar ... Ukrainian "turned on ****" (quick for you - I'm Ukrainian myself)

            Quote: bistrov.
            With whom are you going to wage a "serious war" there?


            that is, do you think fascism, Bandera bandits and bandits of the south- and south-east of Ukraine - IS THIS NORMAL for Ukraine? Will they disappear?
            And the citizens of Ukraine to sit at home and wait for their fate?

            Quote: bistrov.
            With Russia?


            Yes, leave Russia alone! Russia wishes Ukraine good.
          2. O_RUS
            O_RUS 20 May 2014 11: 53
            +1
            Quote: bistrov.
            Something I did not understand you?


            oh, familiar ... Ukrainian "turned on ****" (quick for you - I'm Ukrainian myself)

            Quote: bistrov.
            With whom are you going to wage a "serious war" there?


            that is, do you think fascism, Bandera bandits and bandits of the south- and south-east of Ukraine - IS THIS NORMAL for Ukraine? Will they disappear?
            And the citizens of Ukraine to sit at home and wait for their fate?

            Quote: bistrov.
            With Russia?


            Yes, leave Russia alone! Russia wishes Ukraine good.
  4. pensioner
    pensioner 20 May 2014 06: 43
    +4
    The military also destroyed several cars.

    And also 10 tanks Armata. Victory is complete. 19. May will be celebrated in Ukraine as a celebration of victory over Russia. This will be the only public holiday, which is celebrated in honor of the victory of the great-Ukrainians over anyone. All other state. holidays in Ukraine are devoted to defeats ....
  5. ks
    ks 20 May 2014 06: 43
    +1
    I go nuts with this military statistics. 1 killed, 7 injured, and the prisoners silent. Where does infa come from? Maybe how many militiamen have diarrhea and who has a hangover head cracking? Who keeps records and how? If anyone fought and in the subject enlighten me moron.
  6. GRAY
    GRAY 20 May 2014 06: 45
    0
    Previously, Ukraine was given a term for the murder of civilians, but now it seems they give a bonus.
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren 20 May 2014 07: 15
      -5
      Quote: GRAY
      Previously, Ukraine was given a term for the murder of civilians, but now it seems they give a bonus.


      "Civilians who attacked with machine guns" - you need to come up with something like that ... What would psychiatrists say if, let's say, they fire up such a thing when they receive a weapon permit? ..
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 20 May 2014 07: 30
        +1
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        You at least write the address of residence. How diligently you try to denigrate the Russians, that thoughts come that you are sitting on a salary. Is money dripping for every negative about Russia? Well, and at what rate are silver coins now?
        1. ar-ren
          ar-ren 20 May 2014 07: 34
          0
          Quote: Tatarus
          How diligently you try to denigrate the Russians, that thoughts come that you are sitting on a salary.


          It was not I who came up with the "civilians with machine guns", but GRAY. What are the claims to me?
  7. mamont5
    mamont5 20 May 2014 06: 45
    +3
    Yes, it's just that the Great Ukrainian Armed Forces shoot in all directions without looking. they are frightened of every rustle, and then they report that they have again “heroically” won the battle with a strong and cunning enemy.
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 20 May 2014 07: 31
      +2
      Quote: mamont5
      treacherous adversary.


      Particular cunning of the enemy was manifested in the failure to appear at the place of the battle. laughing
  8. Roman1970
    Roman1970 20 May 2014 06: 48
    +2
    This is what a "strategically important" object this checkpoint is! Who the hell needs him? Definitely a duck or a provocation of the pravosek ...
  9. Signaller
    Signaller 20 May 2014 06: 53
    +2
    Miners live there. It would have long been a subway or a mine which thread was built on the Russian side. Arabs in Palestine carry a lot of things through underground passages, we must learn from other people's experience. They have been going on such a war for decades.
  10. morpogr
    morpogr 20 May 2014 06: 54
    +1
    From dill sovribyuro. Yesterday, our valiant and blah, blah, blah.
  11. buzer
    buzer 20 May 2014 07: 04
    +1
    right now in Ukraine all pro-Ukrainian troops will imitate violent military activity !!! For Turchinov promised everyone to give the rank of colonel ...
  12. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 20 May 2014 07: 06
    +1
    The right sector specifically attacked its own roadblock to blame everything on RUSSIA.
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren 20 May 2014 07: 16
      0
      Quote: cerbuk6155
      The right sector specifically attacked its own roadblock to blame everything on RUSSIA.

      ... and he died there !!!
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 20 May 2014 07: 33
        0
        No bodies provided. You can write about losses anything. Paper can stand it. He suffers your nonsense.
      2. SHOCK.
        SHOCK. 20 May 2014 07: 35
        +2
        Quote: ar-ren
        ... and he died there !!!

        There could well be a provocation. As for the victims, they could have said more to increase the effect, go check it out.
        The juntas need a war, and given their meanness and inadequacy, everything falls into place.
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  13. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 20 May 2014 07: 28
    +1
    The usual disarmament from Kalash at 400m aimed fire? Spectacle!
  14. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 20 May 2014 07: 28
    0
    The usual disarmament from Kalash at 400m aimed fire? Spectacle!
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 20 May 2014 08: 28
      0
      Are they all masters of sports in shooting there?
  15. awg75
    awg75 20 May 2014 07: 30
    0
    the border must be opened first
  16. demotivator
    demotivator 20 May 2014 07: 58
    +1
    Fighting on the Russian-Ukrainian border

    But have we not hurried with the withdrawal of our troops from this border? The reinforced force grouping in this region is justified and necessary. At least to prevent the undesirable consequences of a civil war on transboundary territories, I note a length of more than 1 thousand kilometers. For example, a massive accumulation of refugees from neighboring territories at the borders, or penetration of sabotage and terrorist groups across the border, as leaders of right-wing groups in Kiev openly threatened, breakthrough of paramilitary groups across the border in order to capture strategic facilities, for example, the Volgodonsk or Novovoronezh NPPs and so on . There is something to think about.
  17. Dezinto
    Dezinto 20 May 2014 08: 02
    +1
    ....... Brave pravoseki mother nishtyachki look for them ... and the Americans probably smoke them)))
  18. Giant thought
    Giant thought 20 May 2014 08: 05
    +3
    It is necessary to strengthen our borders with Ukraine, moreover, urgently and throughout the entire length, given the anti-Russian policy of the junta.
  19. Agent 008
    Agent 008 20 May 2014 08: 14
    +1
    An urgent message: the Ukrainian border guard went out of need for a toilet on the edge of the field ... Unknown people in the amount of 50 surrounded the toilet and opened heavy fire from grenade launchers and machine guns against the toilet in order to destabilize its operation. By return fire, using the materials at hand by throwing them towards the attackers, the attack was repulsed! The border guard and the toilet were not injured ... The only thing that Avakov writes is that the small need turned from small to large ...
  20. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 20 May 2014 08: 27
    0
    RIA Novosti with reference to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, a cool article, I’m not looking about it now again it’s fashionable to quote ukrsmi, one thing to note, THE BORDER SHOULD BE TAKEN TO CONTROL, in the border service there are practically zapadentsi
  21. Barakuda
    Barakuda 20 May 2014 09: 15
    0
    Have you heard a bullet that flies 5 cm from you? a terrible impression. And imagine a 19-year-old jerk on the border who does not know whom and from whom he closes it to the castle. Times are not the same.
  22. skylare
    skylare 20 May 2014 11: 31
    0
    Another imitation of hostilities, information that the command in Kiev is so eager to hear. Well, blessed are those who believe ...