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In the "gas war" Putin puts checkmate to Obama

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Russian President Vladimir Putin today arrived in China. This landmark trip has been known for a long time, as well as about the deals that Moscow and Beijing are planning to conclude. Despite this, official representatives of the United States with indifference did not comment on the meeting, and pretend that Russian-Chinese relations are of secondary importance for them. In fact, the West, like never before, keeps track of the negotiations, because thanks to the new agreements, Gazprom will be able to enter new markets and compensate for the losses inflicted on the capricious Ukraine. At the same time, Russia and China will get rid of the American stranglehold, gain solid ground under their feet, and are likely to prepare for a counterattack.

Russian gas - East

The Ukrainian-Russian gas conflict may reach a qualitatively new level, since the European Union will be involved in it. The likelihood of this scenario is very high: in the EU, under pressure from the United States, they have already declared their readiness to side with Kiev if Russian gas supplies to Ukraine are reduced. Of course, at the same time, Europe itself will lose gas from Russia - but what to do, Washington’s desire for the modern European elites is the law.

In such conditions, Russia has two options: the first is to persuade Europe to abandon the defense of American interests and take a reasonable position; the second is to find gas markets that can become an alternative to the European one. Obviously, the Kremlin will, to the extent possible, deal with the implementation of both scenarios, one of which should eventually become the main one. This is a wise decision - you can not put eggs in one basket.

The main option is increasingly considered the supply of Russian gas to new markets. This is due to the irreconcilable position of the United States towards Russia: Washington, despite the absurdity of the situation, evades negotiations, and continues to speak the language of ultimatums. If the destructive rhetoric of the West will continue to hinder the maintenance of mutually beneficial trade relations, Moscow will be forced to reduce gas supplies to Europe.

Against this background, the visit of Vladimir Putin to China is presented as sensing the soil before Russian energy suppliers enter Asian markets. During the meeting between representatives of the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China it is planned to sign an agreement on the supply of "blue fuel": in the year Moscow will sell Beijing about 38 billion cubic meters of gas. This figure is relatively small: for comparison, in 2013, only Ukraine, Gazprom sold 30 billion cubic meters of gas. However, in the future, China may increase purchases, because Chinese manufacturers need a much larger amount of "blue fuel".

Together with the gas supply contract, the negotiations will discuss the issue of China buying Russian oil. Igor Sechin, head of Rosneft, will arrive in China as part of the Russian delegation. His company has already prepared the necessary documents to be submitted to the Chinese corporations CNPC and Sinopec. In particular, it is planned to begin the implementation of several projects in the field of oil refining. Also, companies from China will have the opportunity to participate in the development of continental and offshore oil fields in Russia.

China is trying to get out of the trap

There is practically no alternative for China: Beijing is doomed to buy oil and gas from Russia. The Middle Kingdom lacks its natural resources, and it is forced to seek sources of growth abroad. The main directions of the "energy expansion" of China are Russia and the Pacific Ocean: recently, considerable mineral resources have been discovered in the seas near the Chinese coast. True, the PRC has unresolved territorial disputes with its neighbors, which makes it impossible to extract resources. Of course, you can use force to keep control of the waters - but this is a risky move that will lead to China’s isolation.

Much more profitable for China will be buying gas from Russia. There is no need to risk, and the volume of natural resources in Siberia seems inexhaustible. Russia, in turn, will also get rid of the risks: gas supplies to Europe are hampered due to the conflict in Ukraine and the intransigent policy of the United States intending to disrupt relations between Moscow and Brussels. In such conditions, Russia has nothing left but to find more reliable partners, independent of the opinion of their overseas "friends".

The energy union of Russia and China - the two mighty powers - is contrary to the plans of the United States and poses a serious threat to Washington. In the United States, they expected to isolate Russia, depriving it of sources of income, and strangle China, blocking the access of resources to the Chinese market. These measures would be a key step towards eliminating America’s competitors on the Eurasian continent.

However, with destructive policies, Washington only pushed its rivals toward rapprochement. In the United States, they hoped that China would oppose Russia on the issue of self-determination of the Crimea, but they miscalculated: it was already clear that America would not be able to turn its enemy into a temporary ally. China showed itself well during the March crisis - well-considered decisions, restraint and caution allowed Beijing to make the right choice, and he took the side of Moscow.

In connection with the upcoming signing of contracts for the supply of Russian gas, the Ukrainian and Western media have launched a massive disinformation campaign designed to discredit Gazprom. Spiteful critics say that China will buy "blue fuel" at a huge discount. The press service of Gazprom denied this information and said that Celestial gas will get at the average European price of 350-380 dollars per thousand cubic meters. Thus, Russia is not being sold into “energy slavery” to China, as it is claimed in Washington, and cooperates on equal terms with its Chinese partners. All honest!

Looking for new markets

However, in the near future, Russia may encounter with the competitors in the Far East, first of all, with Qatar. This little emirate recently broke with Washington itself, disappointed in the Syrian adventure, and is now actively reorienting itself to the east. The leaders of the emirate consider their main goal to enter the Chinese market, which is in dire need of external resources. In the near future, Qatar will try to gain a foothold in Southeast Asia, whose gas market is still free.

The Russian leadership acted wisely by starting negotiations with China and beating Gazprom’s main competitors. Thanks to the signing of mutually beneficial contracts, Russian energy suppliers will be sufficiently protected from encroachment on the part of 30 years ahead.

In the future, Russia could start exploring other Asian markets. For example, South Korea and Japan, which, in comparison with China, possess incredibly limited resources, desperately need fuel supplies. True, this requires an appropriate infrastructure - terminals capable of receiving gas carriers, and a system of pipelines necessary for delivering gas to consumers.

However, the Middle Kingdom is also enough for the test: if Moscow perfectly recommends itself in relations with Beijing (which is beyond doubt), other states of the region can also become its partners. Virtual sanctions are unlikely to prevent this: the West is afraid to destroy the oil and gas sector of the Russian economy, as it will be suicide for Europe.

In general, the United States, despite the ostentatious disdain, is alarmed in earnest. Each action of Vladimir Putin makes Washington politicians seriously think about a radical change in the principles of policy towards the countries of the Asia-Pacific region: so far all the actions taken by Washington have been ineffective, and sometimes they have the opposite effect. Now, when the struggle is being transferred from Eastern Europe to the Far East, America will try new approaches - despite the successes, Russia needs to be wary of traps. However, any American cunning can be overcome by Russian unpredictability, especially since Moscow has also armed itself with Chinese wisdom ...
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  1. ksv500
    ksv500 20 May 2014 07: 45
    +69
    Russia's traps need to be wary of China too! The Chinese will never miss out! And gently, respectfully try to use our difficulties to their advantage!
    1. igor_m_p
      igor_m_p 20 May 2014 08: 16
      +54
      Quote: ksv500
      The Chinese will never miss out! And gently, respectfully try to use our difficulties to their advantage!

      The fact of the matter is that China’s interests now coincide in many respects with ours. China is as buggy for the states as Russia is, and in China they understand this very well. Among other things, the situation around the Spratly Islands is now starting to escalate from the filing of the states, among other things, the Americans are contributing to the incitement of internal ethnic conflicts in China.
      So for China now it seems logical to be friends with Russia against the states.
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru 20 May 2014 11: 39
        +36
        hi
        Chinese. like, however, any other, including and Russia, of course, try not to miss the benefits.
        And, be that as it may, Russia is friendly with China, and with the Pi_ndos, almost always (except for the 2-th world), in the counter.
        Therefore, for example, I am VERY glad that the agreements that are now being signed in Shanghai - WITH ONE RUSSIA, PI_NDOSA MAY BE AND COULD BE FIGHT, AND WITH CHINA AND RUSSIA X ...!
        A war on two fronts - to paraphrase the classics - this is not a trifle for you to poke from your pocket ...
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 21 May 2014 17: 57
        +3
        And yet, even though China is a comrade to us, it is absolutely impossible to flirt with friends with China - we have so lost a bunch of islands on the Amur. In a good way, one should gently, unobtrusively and imperceptibly squeeze the aforementioned islands from China and return them to their rightful owner.
    2. Mihail1982
      Mihail1982 20 May 2014 08: 20
      +27
      The only allies of Russia are the ARMY and the Navy! China supports us in the short term, only as long as it benefits it. China has its own strategy and geopolitical interests, which ultimately run counter to Russia's interests.
      1. igor_m_p
        igor_m_p 20 May 2014 08: 40
        +28
        Quote: Michael1982
        China has its own strategy and geopolitical interests,


        With China, we almost always had graters, but on the whole we were friends with him rather than at war, with the exception of certain periods of tension. But even in these periods somehow it turned out to be a little friends. As long as the states seriously threaten China, China will not quarrel strongly with us, because without our support against America their chances will drop dramatically. Well, since in the foreseeable future the end of the world in a single country (I mean the United States) is not expected, the prospect of a serious butting with China from a geopolitical and economic point of view also looks very unlikely.
        1. Samaritan
          Samaritan 20 May 2014 08: 49
          +25
          China, like Russia, is a peaceful state, if we don’t touch us, if we don’t take down the monuments, if we don’t use double standards, we’re ready to be friends with anyone, we don’t want to harm anyone! May God and Buddha give our friendship and business for many centuries !!!
          1. Mihail1982
            Mihail1982 20 May 2014 09: 05
            +6
            China, like Russia, a peaceful state
            With the human resources of China, it is not necessary to conduct open hostilities; its strategy, which was successfully implemented earlier, is assimilation. Look what is happening in the Far East and Siberia, how many representatives of the Middle Kingdom are there. It is not necessary to turn a blind eye to these problems; denial of problems is not the way to solve them.
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 20 May 2014 09: 34
              +9
              Quote: Michael1982
              Look what is happening in the Far East and Siberia, how many representatives of the Middle Kingdom are there. Do not close your eyes to these problems

              Give specific numbers?
              1. KC4E
                KC4E 20 May 2014 11: 56
                -17%
                And who counted them? The figure from the ceiling can be called ... And I served in the Far East in PV and saw everything myself. LEARN CHINESE LANGUAGE laughing
                1. ATATA
                  ATATA 20 May 2014 13: 35
                  +4
                  Quote: KC 4
                  And who counted them? The figure from the ceiling can be called ... And I served in the Far East in PV and saw everything myself. LEARN CHINESE LANGUAGE

                  Poor fellow, are you from Kiev or what?
                  1. richchernov
                    richchernov 21 May 2014 08: 11
                    +12
                    In vain do you minus a person.
                    I served in Vladivostok and Khabarovsk for 12 years, until Serdyukov's "reform" began. If not for relatives in Voronezh, I would now live in Vladivostok, in Tigrovaya Pad.
                    Our main problem with China is the common border.
                    There, openly sitting in the markets, the Chinese said that they were either military personnel or border guards (I just don’t remember exactly) who arrived to study the Russian language. All our next trends in disturbing suitcases were detected at the speed of the wind. There are so many of them that at any moment they can get weapons from under the shelves and capture large cities of the Far East within a couple of hours.
                    The policy is structured in such a way that it is more profitable to bring from China than to grow it yourself. Yes, and the fields in the Far East are mostly Chinese.
                    In no case do I take responsibility from us for what is happening there. It amazes me how we, the people who crossed the Urals and reached California, can quietly merge their conquests in the Far East.
                    I remember back in 2009, I could be wrong, we concluded an agreement with the Chinese on transferring port areas in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk to them to develop mineral deposits in the Trans-Baikal and Yakutia, and build ports in Vladivostok and Kamchatka. It was just around the celebration of the 60th anniversary of the PRC. Here is one of the links http://www.pkokprf.ru/Info/12226. Somewhere on the Internet there is a map.
                    At the moment, we are able to wage war with any enemy except China. Sometimes he told the soldiers that on the issue of China, we have two options - to die like heroes, or die like cowards - everyone will choose.
                    Given the existing policies of our authorities in the Far East and in the country, we can at any moment find ourselves with a border in the Urals. And most of the male population will not have to learn Chinese - stupidly cut out.
                    And instead of giving praise to China - read more often Renmin Ribao about the vast, uncultivated expanses of Russia, which it is high time for the Chinese peasant to process. And this is the official newspaper com. party of China.
                    Naturally, cooperation with China is necessary. But also take extraordinary measures to strengthen the Eastern borders. Starting with migration policy.
                    1. acute
                      acute 21 May 2014 12: 16
                      +12
                      no need to scare people. He worked in China for more than 3 years. Many friends among the Chinese. China will not fight with Russia. China does not want to fight with anyone at all. They act on the principle of the peaceful conquest of the territory. And here is our problem, to make the Russians want to be Russians. The Chinese are integrating peacefully into Europe, Africa, Asia, America. Nowhere do they shoot and capture the city. Do not scare people. And on a purely human level in China, the attitude towards Russians is one of the best. very badly the Chinese treat the Japanese and the Americans. Something like that
                    2. soyuz-nik
                      soyuz-nik 21 May 2014 20: 07
                      +1
                      Good health, I wish! hi

                      One of the frightening Russian Federation and other countries characteristic of China is the population of China.

                      IMHO, the solution to this issue lies on the surface: (A) An increase in the birth rate in the Russian Federation, (B) An increase in the "quality" (in a broad sense) of the population (drunkenness and nonsense are ballast, educated and hard workers are an asset), i.e. this is about social.

                      In turn, population growth is possible, at least if (A) the family has 3-4 children and (B) the family is stable and not asocial.

                      An increase in the number of offspring in a family directly affects the quality of life of the whole family (it is not so easy for one "spinog" to "please" in the current conditions: starting from diapers, and further down the list, including computers, iPhones and other "pribluda" I am silent about the joys of women - rags, tsatzki, fur coats, etc., as well as about annual family tours to the sea or wherever else).

                      Despite the fact that the Chinese authorities have adhered to the principle of "one family - one child" (for the Han ethnic group) in recent years, Chinese economists have sounded the alarm about the pension provision of the generation living according to this principle, and therefore this principle will be relaxed in the coming years or revised.

                      There are other issues that cannot be stated "shortly" due to the comment volume limit.

                      Conclusions: (A) Russians (and citizens of other countries of the former USSR) need stop biting about any "-isms", national and other points, (B) bridging (minimization) of the social gap in population income, (B) imposition of a childless tax (from the male population - in multiple), (D) ... (D) ... - do not count all.

                      And then the "Chinese" factor will disappear by itself (but other questions will arise!).

                      May the Force be with us!
                    3. BLACK-SHARK-64
                      BLACK-SHARK-64 21 May 2014 23: 27
                      0
                      right ... if you're interested, watch a video on how to train the Chinese army ... what discipline and willpower they have ... and it is not known what they want ... cunning Chinese ...
                    4. El-bog
                      El-bog 22 May 2014 01: 47
                      +2
                      And we live in Magadan. The farther beyond 2000, the fewer Chinese in the city, because living in China became better after the 90s than in Russia. They already have more salaries. We don’t go on holiday to China anymore - it has become a little expensive. If China wanted to chop off the Far East, then it already had a lot of opportunities. Yes, and Vladivostok, I do not see such an influx
                    5. radar1967
                      radar1967 22 May 2014 10: 17
                      0
                      Do not be afraid, China is absolutely not dangerous for Russia. The fact is that the Chinese and the Slovenian have very different composition of the genetic material. And this means that in case of serious danger, the top may give a command to use genetic weapon. I specify, not nuclear, not biological, not chemical, but precisely the most modern GENETIC. Examine this question. Russia has very serious achievements in this area.
                      For example: it won’t work against Bandera ....
                      1. ermolai
                        ermolai 23 May 2014 04: 36
                        0
                        but against ney?
                2. I am
                  I am 20 May 2014 14: 42
                  -14%
                  and he is right. People who returned from the Far East all say that there are already no Russian laws beginning to apply.
                  1. I am
                    I am 20 May 2014 15: 29
                    +2
                    Another ostrich or two. In Saratov, there are people who have moved from the Far East because of the large number of Chinese. And what will we overlook ???? However, everyone thinks how he likes !!!!!
                    1. andrey682006
                      andrey682006 20 May 2014 16: 28
                      +11
                      Quote: I am
                      Another ostrich or two. In Saratov, there are people who have moved from the Far East because of the large number of Chinese. And what will we overlook ???? However, everyone thinks how he likes !!!!!

                      Oh how! I've been thinking that people think not how they like, but how to.
                      And you, it seems, not only think as you like, but also see only what you like. Stop drugs - harm!
                      I've moved from the Chita region to give children a normal education.
                      The Chinese are not there at all, and the Manchurians, although they suffer frosts, are only to trade a little more and go back.
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                      2. Stanislas
                        Stanislas 21 May 2014 19: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: andrey682006
                        I've been thinking that people think not how they like, but how to.
                        good Some people like to refer to any movement of their head as "think".
                  2. The point
                    The point 20 May 2014 16: 10
                    +19
                    Quote: I am
                    and he is right. People who returned from the Far East all say that there are already no Russian laws that are beginning to apply

                    Come on! I live in the Khabarovsk Territory. No one has changed the legislation of the Russian Federation for any other. So congratulations, citizen, lied. fool
                  3. andrey682006
                    andrey682006 20 May 2014 16: 23
                    +9
                    Quote: I am
                    and he is right. People who returned from the Far East all say that there are already no Russian laws beginning to apply.

                    And what are the laws? What nonsense? Did you run away from Ukraine?
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                  6. JACTUS RECTUS
                    JACTUS RECTUS 21 May 2014 11: 37
                    +6
                    Quote: I am
                    and he is right. People who returned from the Far East all say that there are already no Russian laws that are beginning to apply

                    What kind of nonsense ???????????????????))))
                    I did not know that I live according to Chinese laws !!!! Thank you enlightened !!!!!!!!!))))
                    (I live on Sakhalin)
                3. andrey682006
                  andrey682006 20 May 2014 16: 21
                  +10
                  Quote: KC 4
                  And who counted them? The figure from the ceiling can be called ... And I served in the Far East in PV and saw everything myself. LEARN CHINESE LANGUAGE

                  I also served there and saw the Chinese in Chita only in the markets.
                  And since you are criticizing for the lack of numbers - bring your ...
                  Learning another language is good and right, regardless of whether it is Chinese or any other. Especially the language of the neighbor.
                4. JACTUS RECTUS
                  JACTUS RECTUS 21 May 2014 11: 31
                  +4
                  KC4E
                  You served, and I live in Sakhalin. There are a lot of Chinese once, twice, guest workers from Kazakhstan are many times more, and recently they bring North Koreans, they are cheap, educated, disciplined and work harder than everyone else. So do not fantasize here. about the "yellow threat" is a myth, and only ignorant people believe in myths.
                  1. SNIPER
                    SNIPER 21 May 2014 14: 50
                    +1
                    In Russia there are no migrant workers from Kazakhstan. Well, maybe there are as many as the Russians work in Kazakhstan. It’s just that the salaries are the same, and there’s no reason to go back and forth.
                    1. JACTUS RECTUS
                      JACTUS RECTUS 22 May 2014 05: 52
                      +1
                      You tell this story to the Kazakhs working in Sakhalin, otherwise they don’t know the campaign that they have the same salaries as in Russia. You can find them in any Sakhalin store — 70% of sellers from Kazakhstan.
                    2. 290980
                      290980 22 May 2014 23: 38
                      0
                      In Russia there are no migrant workers from Kazakhstan. Well, maybe there are as many as the Russians work in Kazakhstan. It’s just that the salaries are the same, and there’s no reason to go back and forth.


                      ))) do not crucify, they still do not believe, to see there the Kyrgyz under the Kazakhs mow.
              2. ed65b
                ed65b 20 May 2014 12: 42
                +13
                Figures to say the least miserable. Talk about the occupation of Siberia and D.V. by the Chinese in favor of the poor. for all-sweethearts any narrow-eyed Chinese.
                1. I am
                  I am 20 May 2014 14: 44
                  0
                  At the moment, yes, there is no advantage towards the Chinese. But given the passivity of the population like "moyahataskrayu" ..... for the future, the threat is real, unless closer cooperation with China is started within the framework of the "Union State", then this problem will disappear without being drawn)))))
                  1. andrey682006
                    andrey682006 20 May 2014 16: 32
                    +2
                    Quote: I am
                    At the moment, yes, there is no advantage towards the Chinese. But given the passivity of the population like "moyahataskrayu" ..... for the future, the threat is real, unless closer cooperation with China is started within the framework of the "Union State", then this problem will disappear without being drawn)))))

                    The Chinese in Siberia, in cold weather at -30 degrees? Do you know the Chinese? Will they go from their warm seaside to Siberia?
                    Stop polishing the polymers. lol
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                    2. raf
                      raf 21 May 2014 17: 13
                      +1
                      laughing Absolutely right! The Chinese are mastering and conquering, peacefully, the countries of South Asia and the geyrops, in particular Spain, where they are buying up real estate. And we, Russia and China, are better friends, in the literal sense of the word, as in the days of Comrade Stalin!
              3. Mihail1982
                Mihail1982 20 May 2014 17: 24
                +9
                Atat, of course, I understand, it's easier to shout "Hurray" slogans, but let's be objective, the Far East is experiencing a demographic crisis and this is a fact.
                You asked for numbers, if it is difficult for you to see the numbers yourself, I inform the Far East that it occupies 36% of the territory of the Russian Federation - more than a third, while the population is 6,3 million people, you can calculate the population density yourself or tell the formula ?!
                The following fact, albeit from Wikipedia, but I think it is not far from the truth: The Chinese come to work in Russia under the agreements that are concluded between the subjects of the Russian Federation and the governments of the cities of Northeast China. Mass migration to Russia began after the signing of the agreement on visa-free entry to border cities in 1992 [24]. For the most part, the Chinese migrating to the Far East come from the border counties of Heilongjiang province. According to a 2005 survey, in the cities of Vladivostok and Ussuriysk, Blagoveshchensk and Zabaykalsk, the number of visitors from this province was about 80% of migrants. Among migrants, men aged 20 to 50 years (data for 2002) with low incomes predominate [24].

                In 2004, 335 citizens of the PRC crossed the Russian-Chinese border. Among them, part evaded registration, part went to other regions of Russia, part was in the country for less than 72 hours; there were also visa-free travel groups not subject to registration [24].
                Now think about how many emigrants are now in the Far East, if they do not even need a visa ?!
                I love my country and voted for our President, but I was not a moron to shut my eyes to the fact that someone did not like it!
                And if our President would have thought differently, he would hardly have lobbied for resettlement programs in the Far East.
                1. ATATA
                  ATATA 20 May 2014 17: 34
                  0
                  Quote: Michael1982
                  The Far East occupies 36% of the territory of the Russian Federation - more than a third, while the population is 6,3 million people, you can calculate the population density yourself or suggest a formula ?!

                  But what that 3/4 of this territory is not inhabited by climatic conditions?
                  And how is Canada doing on this issue?
                  Quote: Michael1982
                  According to a 2005 survey, in the cities of Vladivostok and Ussuriysk, Blagoveshchensk and Zabaykalsk, the number of visitors from this province was about 80% of migrants. Among migrants, men aged 20 to 50 years (data for 2002) with low incomes predominate [24].

                  There, people wrote above from places about which you write, they do not see such horrors there.
                  Quote: Michael1982
                  In 2004, 335 thousand Chinese citizens crossed the Russian-Chinese border

                  From your text, I did not understand how many of them remained in the Russian Federation.
                  Quote: Michael1982
                  I love my country and voted for our President, but I am not to turn a blind eye to the fact that someone does not like it!

                  But who closes, but to fantasize the same to nothing.
                  1. Mihail1982
                    Mihail1982 20 May 2014 19: 17
                    +2
                    But what that 3/4 of this territory is not inhabited by climatic conditions?
                    You, about the climatic conditions of the Nenets, Chukchi, Eskimos, etc. tell me. I myself live in a territory equated to the far North, and somehow I am alive, breathing, talking, even having children, can you imagine ?!
                    And how are things going with Canada interests me a little and should not interest !!!
                    By the way, speaking of cases in Canada, the mayor of Toronto does not hide the fact that he uses drugs, and the bearded woman will probably become the president soon, what can be there? smile
                    From your text, I did not understand how many of them remained in the Russian Federation.
                    It follows from my text that, firstly, they have the right to visa-free entry into our country, and secondly, most of them are not registered, and accordingly, tracking their future fate is, to put it mildly, problematic.

                    But who closes, but to fantasize the same to nothing.

                    What is the fantasy? You ask me questions, asking to confirm these or those
                    facts, and they themselves can refute my statements? I do not live in a country of pink elephants, and believe me, I’m not inclined to fantasies, in our time it is dangerous!
                    1. PATHuK
                      PATHuK 20 May 2014 20: 46
                      +3
                      Quote: Michael1982
                      But what that 3/4 of this territory is not inhabited by climatic conditions?
                      You, about the climatic conditions of the Nenets, Chukchi, Eskimos, etc. tell me. I myself live in a territory equated to the far North, and somehow I am alive, breathing, talking, even having children, can you imagine ?!


                      You yourself actually answer your question ... I think that the Papuans would not last long in winter conditions even in the middle lane, just as it would not be easy for us in the conditions of a humid tropical jungle. What prevented the Chinese from populating the Far East centuries ago? There, too, was not very crowded then. I do not think that they are directly eager to populate our Siberia. They themselves have a lot of land in the north of China, and the high density is mainly, if not mistaken, in the center, in the southeast and in the south. By the way:

                      http://bulochnikov.livejournal.com/1161867.html

                      there are maps with population density.
                      It will be much easier for them if we ourselves extract and supply them with resources. It will not be necessary to strain and freeze once again))
                    2. yulka2980
                      yulka2980 21 May 2014 03: 53
                      +1
                      I completely agree with you!
                    3. raf
                      raf 21 May 2014 17: 20
                      0
                      Michael, you should not react to the questions of provocateurs and amateurs! China is our best neighbor with whom we had friendly and fraternal relations during the time of Comrade Stalin, if it were not for the unfinished Trotskyist Khrushchev. China is more directed towards south Asia and the geyropu. In particular, the Chinese are actively buying up real estate in Spain.
              4. Uncle
                Uncle 20 May 2014 19: 38
                +2
                Quote: ATATA
                Give specific numbers?

                Romanov will appear, he will tell you, he lives there.
              5. yulka2980
                yulka2980 21 May 2014 03: 42
                +1
                I live in the Far East and I can definitely say that every 5 people in Khabarovsk are Chinese, the rest do not understand who, Tajiks, Armenians, Azerbaijanis. There are very few Russians now, many of my friends left for permanent residence in Krasnodar Territory. To be honest, sometimes I go out I don’t know whether I’m living in Russia or in some kind of village! There are no specific figures, if only for the reason that half of the illegal immigrants ...
                1. Checks
                  Checks 21 May 2014 09: 13
                  +4
                  Hello fellow countrymen! I am also a Khabarovsk citizen. Get ready to be minus) But seriously, they judge the situation in the Far East and, what is even worse, develop and implement a national policy in our region, people who once served here were passing through, listening to the stories of grandmothers, reading the Kommersant newspapers. .. Good luck!
                2. raf
                  raf 21 May 2014 17: 22
                  0
                  laughing Ha, and where there are no illegal immigrants ??? Even in the "enlightened and crap" geyrope there are a dime a dozen of them.
            2. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 20 May 2014 09: 47
              -12%
              Quote: Michael1982
              China, like Russia, a peaceful state
              With the human resources of China, it is not necessary to conduct open hostilities; its strategy, which was successfully implemented earlier, is assimilation. Look what is happening in the Far East and Siberia, how many representatives of the Middle Kingdom are there. It is not necessary to turn a blind eye to these problems; denial of problems is not the way to solve them.

              That’s for sure, China’s mobilization reserve - 120mln! soldier. They will not even need high technologies, they will distribute three-line (for the sake of appearance), and "dash in small groups of a million people", no one (except India, perhaps) will have enough troops, not even elementary defensive cordons, captivity without a fight, who will pull to accept even 50mln! prisoners of war ???
              1. sim6
                sim6 20 May 2014 10: 11
                +11
                Suppose that in the short term, Russia and China are allies, it is possible and necessary to destroy the United States together, to ensure that they break up into separate states and no longer pose a threat. But then what? Naturally graters will begin with China, already one on one. After all, China is heating up its industrial power and the army is certainly not for show-offs. As soon as they feel their superiority, they will immediately begin to dictate terms, twist their arms .. a friend lives in China, he says, for each other they are the highest race, all the rest are lower races. And to throw, deceive, substitute a foreigner in any business is their national fun, they love it very much. And our strategic ally against 120 million soldiers is the Strategic Missile Forces :) And on the topic, God forbid that supplies grow, because 38 billion cubic meters for China, the center of world industry, is a drop in the ocean, very, very few ..
                1. asar
                  asar 20 May 2014 11: 25
                  +5
                  Well, since Australia has seriously begun to modernize its Navy due to the growing Chinese threat! Does this mean something ?!
                  1. washi
                    washi 20 May 2014 13: 34
                    +2
                    quote
                    Quote: asar
                    Well, since Australia has seriously begun to modernize its Navy due to the growing Chinese threat! Does this mean something ?!

                    The fact that China goes south and east.
                    1. raf
                      raf 21 May 2014 17: 31
                      0
                      laughing Quite right, Vasya! It is more profitable for the PRC to be friends with Russia, rather than to be at enmity. Yes, in principle, they have no such thoughts. These are not arrogant Japs)))))) China is gradually mastering the south of Asia and the west of geyropa.
                2. skiff-xnumx
                  skiff-xnumx 20 May 2014 13: 01
                  +6
                  To destroy China (or rather, to cause unacceptable damage) it is enough to inflict a massive strike on the South and Southeast industrial regions. Given that not only a large part of the industrial potential is concentrated there, but also a large part of the population, then there can be no talk of any war. And 120 million should be dressed, shod, fed, and at least tolerably armed and trained, and then buried. And not the second world war with modern means of destruction and their destructive power, strategists from the General Staff of the Russian Federation will not even look secondarily at the number of bayonets.
                3. ATATA
                  ATATA 20 May 2014 13: 39
                  +8
                  Quote: sim6
                  against 120 million soldiers

                  Stupid children’s words. Forgive me, but you run up.
                  Do you well imagine the logistics of the army of 120 million soldiers?
                  I think that you can’t imagine the logistics of the army even in 100 thousand soldiers.
                  1,5 lard population, this is not an advantage, in the 21st century, this is a disadvantage.
                  10 times already described all this, tired.
                  1. I am
                    I am 20 May 2014 14: 47
                    -6
                    Logistics ?????? You joker !!!! On foot !!!! Columns !!!! How will it look ??? Ramstein's clip "1-2-3" look, and you will understand everything)))))))))
                    1. ATATA
                      ATATA 20 May 2014 14: 53
                      +3
                      Quote: I am
                      Ramstein's clip "1-2-3" look and you will understand everything

                      It was smooth on paper
                      yes forgot about the ravines! laughing
                      Do not disgrace and do not make me laugh.
                      1. I am
                        I am 20 May 2014 15: 32
                        -1
                        Yeah, and if you estimate the proportions of their army and ours ??? Then who will have a shame. YOU NEED TO THINK IN ADVANCE !!!!!!!!! Even if you don’t like something or it’s not now, it doesn’t mean that this will not happen later.
                    2. I am
                      I am 20 May 2014 15: 31
                      0
                      What's wrong??? Or is it not for this that the Chinese along the entire Russian border set up rocky roads ???? So just everything is feasible and on foot by small cars. And it’s better to foresee all this in advance. By the way, in the USSR, along the border with CHINA, podzny tyaz were laid. Interestingly, but they were removed?
                      1. samuil60
                        samuil60 20 May 2014 22: 52
                        0
                        If in the long run Russia will have to arrange a nuclear winter for China with all its tricks and millions - the Americans and the geyropeytsy will only thank us and shake hands, and there won’t be any sanctions! In the meantime, we will be friends with them (remember, Russian and Chinese are brothers forever) and sell them our gas. And we'll see.
                    3. ssergn
                      ssergn 20 May 2014 17: 12
                      +1
                      Stop raving, a tactical nuclear strike is enough for this column and they themselves will run back, sweeping away
                      1. I am
                        I am 20 May 2014 17: 17
                        -3
                        The use of nuclear weapons is its almost simultaneous application for us. So .... hardly anyone will decide. Because the next step should be a full-scale strike of strategic nuclear weapons in Beijing and industrial centers. And again, I urge you to think, and not to throw everyone knows what. There was already a practice of war with little blood and on foreign territory, but everyone remembers how it ended.
                    4. raf
                      raf 21 May 2014 17: 35
                      0
                      laughing In, already kliptomanov appeared with colonel epaulettes !! i am-no need to drive the blizzard and build your life from the clips!
                  2. BABA SHURA
                    BABA SHURA 20 May 2014 15: 19
                    -1
                    120 mil, they won’t even fight, they just surrender and scatter around the country.
              2. washi
                washi 20 May 2014 13: 33
                0
                Quote: And Us Rat
                That's for sure, China's mobilization reserve is 120 million! soldier. They will not even need high technologies, they will distribute three lines (for the sake of appearance), and "dash in small groups of a million people" captive without a fight, who can take even 50 million! prisoners of war ???

                Stop quoting jokes.
                We will replace the Central Asians with prisoners.
              3. yulka2980
                yulka2980 21 May 2014 03: 55
                0
                Are you adequate? Watch your Israel better
              4. raf
                raf 21 May 2014 17: 28
                0
                I ask you not to forget Damansky, where they were tiled; be healthy! Actually, who wants to live with us in peace, kindness and harmony, for God's sake, is always welcome, well, and whoever caches with swords, machine guns, missiles, the answer will be such that it will not seem a little !!! This is RUSSIA, not Arab countries!
            3. washi
              washi 20 May 2014 13: 31
              +4
              Quote: Michael1982
              With the human resources of China, it is not necessary to conduct open hostilities, its strategy that was successfully implemented earlier is assimilation. Look what is happening in the Far East and Siberia, how many representatives of the Middle Kingdom are there.

              And what happens?
              You will find a Chinese on the street FIG.
              But the Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Central Asians.
              Yes, there are "Chinese" markets, but there are few of them either (laws are in effect).
              Yes, there are Chinese in the Russian Federation, but ours in China are buying apartments.
              Russia for the Chinese (on their old maps) is a dead land.
              They are afraid and respect us.
              Officially, the Chinese in the Russian Federation are less than 400 tons.
              If we consider illegal immigrants, then about a million (although there are almost no illegal immigrants, there are people who have accepted our citizenship)
              1. Mihail1982
                Mihail1982 20 May 2014 17: 35
                0
                Officially, the Chinese in the Russian Federation are less than 400 tons.
                If we consider illegal immigrants, then about a million (although there are almost no illegal immigrants, there are people who have accepted our citizenship)

                Let me ask, where does this information come from?
              2. lidiy
                lidiy 20 May 2014 18: 38
                +1
                The Chinese in the USA make up 22,4% of the country's Asian population. In 2006, their number was estimated at 3,6 million people, which is 1,2% of the country's population. So we have not everything is so bad.
            4. 77bob1973
              77bob1973 20 May 2014 18: 24
              -1
              You are wrong. The Chinese are assimilating very hard, even with all the problems with demographics.
            5. aleks 62
              aleks 62 21 May 2014 10: 16
              0
              .... In general, in my opinion, assimilation is a natural process and it is not worth fearing it like hell .... Look at the Koreans .... Not so long ago they found refuge in the territory of the USSR and what ??? ... Now they They consider the Russian Federation their homeland (they work, they serve in the army, etc.) and no one thinks of jerking back to Korea ... So it will be with the Chinese - they will become shabby, they will grind .. After several generations there will be Russians of Chinese origin (well, like African-Americans ) ....
            6. topograf
              topograf 22 May 2014 07: 34
              0
              The Chinese are a wise people and honor the thoughts and sayings of great people. Some of the greats said - it's better to be friends with Russia than to fight, and the Chinese understand this literally! They tried to test the strength of our borders with their "biomass" in 69 and finally became firmly established in this - it's better to be friends! ... drinks
          2. KC4E
            KC4E 20 May 2014 11: 52
            -12%
            The philosophical strategy of China is to win without war. But they are pursuing a colonial-economic strategy. For example, a candidate for the colony of the PRC-Far East of the Russian Federation. They do it cunningly and carefully .... If you do not notice this, they will very soon be monopolists and dictate their will to states ...
            1. washi
              washi 20 May 2014 13: 37
              +3
              quote
              Quote: KC 4
              The philosophical strategy of China is to win without war. But they are pursuing a colonial-economic strategy. For example, a candidate for the colony of the PRC-Far East of the Russian Federation. They do it cunningly and carefully .... If you do not notice this, they will very soon be monopolists and dictate their will to states ...

              Stop scaring people.
              Rather, Ukraine will become Chinese than the Russian Federation.
              1. I am
                I am 20 May 2014 14: 48
                +1
                This is the position of an ostrich. No need to scare. you have to be ready !!!
                1. andrey682006
                  andrey682006 20 May 2014 16: 37
                  +4
                  Quote: I am
                  This is the position of an ostrich. No need to scare. you have to be ready !!!

                  The ostrich’s position is the position of Ukraine towards the EU and the USA. Which are already approaching from behind belay

                  Why be prepared?
                  To the scribble of maydanutykh on the forum?
                  To the trolls in the comments?
      2. zoknyay82
        zoknyay82 20 May 2014 09: 00
        +18
        Russia has a third ally - aviation, offensively, right.
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 20 May 2014 09: 44
          +14
          And the fourth is the nuclear triad soldier
          Just Alexander III did not know drinks
          The role of aviation is huge good
          "+" For your aching soul.
      3. washi
        washi 20 May 2014 13: 17
        +4
        Quote: Michael1982
        The only allies of Russia are the ARMY and the Navy!

        Do not forget about the population, which should provide the rear and the army and navy.
        Quote: Michael1982
        China supports us in the short term, only while it is profitable

        China will always support us.
        Stop scaring us with our own territory.
        They did not fall under us just because of the pro-Western leadership of our country.
        How and as soon as there are changes to self-esteem and independence with us, then they will take a pose.
        History must be studied not only from official sources.
        1. I am
          I am 20 May 2014 14: 50
          0
          will support. But with a competent policy. If they are pushed against us, then only tactical charges will save us .....
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 20 May 2014 15: 03
            +7
            Quote: I am
            will support. But with a competent policy. If they are pushed against us, then only tactical charges will save us .....

            5-10 KR on dams in the Three Gorges and China is simply not.
            Several tens of millions will die in the man-made tsunami, a hundred million will be left homeless, without food and communications.
            A bunch of enterprises, power plants will stop.
            Mass epidemics from uncleaned decaying corpses will begin.
            And who at this moment will feed the advancing army?
            And an army of 120 million Chinese soldiers goes to places where the civilian population lives on just 15 million. Where does this army take food, water, ammunition, what is it all tinkering with, who and how is repairing all the equipment involved in the offensive, fuels and lubricants from where and how are they delivered ????? The bridges over the cupid to China are destroyed and I will remind you in China of the famine and the humanitarian catastrophe after the targeted attacks on dams and infrastructure facilities on the coast.
            That’s how it will be roughly, after China attacks Russia.
            To defeat China, Russia does not need to use nuclear weapons.
      4. Simon
        Simon 21 May 2014 01: 24
        0
        I agree with this, but you also need to have good neighbors. yes
    3. Not angry
      Not angry 20 May 2014 11: 32
      +2
      Quote: ksv500
      Russia's traps need to be wary of China too! The Chinese will never miss out! And gently, respectfully try to use our difficulties to their advantage!


      This is the rare case when interests coincided and the threat is common. It remains to wait for the results of the negotiations.
    4. atalef
      atalef 20 May 2014 12: 35
      0
      No shahs. and especially mats are not here.
      We are in the final stages of negotiations. The contract as a document is completely ready. There is very little left - to put just one figure, and then a thirty-year contract will be signed for the supply of 38 billion cubic meters of gas from East Siberia to China

      Read more: http://top.rbc.ru/economics/20/05/2014/924830.shtml

      the 38 billion for 30 years is about the same as Gazprom sold to Ukraine
      China has alternatives, even Qatar, even Turkmenistan
      Last year, the average price of Russian gas supplies to Europe amounted to about $ 390 per thousand cubic meters. m. Given the fact that China is already receiving significant volumes of pipeline gas from Turkemnia at prices lower than European prices and that the country as a whole is not experiencing a shortage of supply of raw materials, we can expect the price of Russian gas for China to be about 10 lower than European ones % That is about $ 350 per thousand cubic meters. m
      1. schizophrenic
        schizophrenic 20 May 2014 15: 25
        0
        Quote: atalef
        China there are alternatives, even Qatar, even Turkmenistan

        If Qatar is too disillusioned with American aid in cleaning up the terrorists, then they will be found in Qatar. wassat
    5. yushch
      yushch 20 May 2014 12: 37
      +2
      Let pin dosas be afraid of traps, and I have no doubt about the professionalism and decency of our leadership lately. Angry Grandfather is a megamind !!!)))
    6. ed65b
      ed65b 20 May 2014 12: 40
      +7
      China said it would not use the situation to twist Russia's arms. He needs long-term mutually beneficial cooperation in a wide range of trade and other relationships and not immediate benefits.
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 20 May 2014 19: 42
        0
        Quote: ed65b
        China said it would not use the situation to twist Russia's arms.

        Why did they love us? Apparently, to continue to steal forest, water and populate our territories.
    7. Boatsman_Palych
      Boatsman_Palych 20 May 2014 15: 00
      +1
      Therefore, ALL new weapons in 2014 will receive the Eastern District bully
    8. Boatsman_Palych
      Boatsman_Palych 20 May 2014 15: 00
      0
      Therefore, ALL new weapons in 2014 will receive the Eastern District bully
    9. Seriv
      Seriv 20 May 2014 17: 49
      +1
      In this matter, there is one very important nuance that allows us to keep the States within the bounds of decency. China and Russia will not pay for gas and oil in dollars. This is greatly advertised and whoever does not will understand. The strength of this move is not just in getting rid of the dollar, but in the fact that the United States is trying hard to squeeze Russia's oil and gas out of Europe, which is calculated in dollars. Now, blocking Russian oil and gas to the West, the States themselves will reduce demand for the dollar.
    10. APASUS
      APASUS 20 May 2014 19: 25
      +1
      Quote: ksv500
      Russia's traps need to be wary of China too! The Chinese will never miss out! And gently, respectfully try to use our difficulties to their advantage!

      China and Russia are interdependent on this contract, and simply breaking up and not hurting oneself can’t work out. Now Europe is in that position ......... I want to support Ukraine and not stay without gas - is this a paradox ?!
      In the "gas war" Putin puts checkmate to Obama

      The title does not carry a semantic load, because it was necessary to indicate in the article that we will not use the dollar in the calculations - then this is a mate!
    11. atalef
      atalef 20 May 2014 21: 56
      +1
      Quote: ksv500
      Russia's traps need to be wary of China too! The Chinese will never miss out! And gently, respectfully try to use our difficulties to their advantage!

      As required to prove, China set the check, it did not reach the mat yet, but time pressure - time pressure
      Beijing and Moscow did not sign a contract for the supply of Russian gas to China worth $ 400 million, which was supposed to protect Russia from economic and political isolation in connection with the annexation of Crimea and aggression in eastern Ukraine.

    12. WKS
      WKS 21 May 2014 11: 27
      0
      Quote: ksv500
      Russia's traps need to be wary of China too!
      It is from this side that traps should be expected. With the determination of prices for long-term deliveries in a hurry is not necessary. And the American bluff in anti-Russian politics is already noticeable even to young men.
    13. nycsson
      nycsson 21 May 2014 22: 40
      0
      I wrote on another branch that this contract is the last nail in the coffin of our economy!
    14. radar1967
      radar1967 22 May 2014 10: 09
      0
      It is important that Russia received another instrument of international politics, allowing it to play on the economic contradictions of the East and West. Russia did not become an object, but a subject of international energy. COMPETITION APPEARS!
      Another question: can our politicians play adult games or not. If not, then sooner or later, LEARNING EVERYTHING IS EQUAL TO COME. Let them learn.
    15. fif21
      fif21 22 May 2014 12: 25
      0
      Quote: ksv500
      Russia's traps need to be wary of China too! The Chinese will never miss!
      Already caught, the price of gas Miller hesitated to voice!
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  2. Duke
    Duke 20 May 2014 07: 50
    +7
    In the future, Russia could begin to develop other Asian markets. For example, South Korea and Japan are desperate for fuel supplies, which, even compared to China, have incredibly limited resources.

    Entering Asian markets is great.
    1. anfil
      anfil 20 May 2014 09: 24
      +4
      In the future, Russia could begin to develop other Asian markets. For example, South Korea and Japan are desperate for fuel supplies, which, even compared to China, have incredibly limited resources.


      Entering Asian markets is great.


      Well, it’s already getting better with Mongolia.
      If 11.03.2013 was the message that Rosneft will reduce the supply of petroleum products for its subsidiary in Mongolia by 25% - to 1,068 million tons.
      In 2012, Rosneft delivered 1,4 million tons of oil products to Mongolia. The total cost of oil products for the 2012 year amounted to $ 1 billion. In the 2013 year, the company plans to supply 1,07 million tons of oil products to Mongolia, but the cost of deliveries due to higher prices will be $ 1,1 billion.
      There is currently no long-term agreement between Russia and Mongolia on the supply of petroleum products, and the Mongolian side has already expressed its dissatisfaction with the too high prices for Russian petroleum products.

      Then now in the message from 16.04.2014 .- Mongolia increased purchases of Russian fuel.
      Motor gas shipments from Russia to Mongolia rose in March to 53 thousand tons from 22 thousand tons a month earlier, according to railway forwarders. The main suppliers last month were Bashneft's Ufa enterprises, as well as the Salavatsky Gazprom plant, the Angarsk Rosneft and the Orsk refinery (Forteinvest).

      Deliveries of Russian diesel fuel to Mongolia in March increased to 68 thousand tons from 30 thousand tons in the previous month. Basically, the production resource of the Yaya oil refinery (Kemerovo region) Neftekhimservis and the Angarsk plant was shipped to this country.
    2. asar
      asar 20 May 2014 11: 28
      0
      Our answer to Chamberlain! And you noticed how Medvedev, while speaking about the "inviolability of" gas "relations" with the West, clenched his fist, as if he was threatening someone ?!
    3. washi
      washi 20 May 2014 13: 39
      +1
      Quote: Duke
      Entering Asian markets is great.

      Sometimes watch TV.
      We already have LNG plants and we have already entered the markets of Europe and Asia.
  3. zollstab
    zollstab 20 May 2014 07: 50
    +5
    At this stage of development, this is the best solution for both parties.
  4. Energy
    Energy 20 May 2014 07: 53
    +4
    negotiations between Russia and China are generally a reason for laying bricks in the West
  5. Checks
    Checks 20 May 2014 07: 54
    +1
    This is the finest hour for China! Do you think that six months ago the PRC did not need Russian gas ?! Even as needed! Our leadership has already repeatedly taken efforts to sign the relevant agreements, but the conditions put forward by the foreign side each time were simply a mockery. The price dictatorship has become possible for the Celestial Empire just now, when Russia itself is stuffing into partners. And the cost of gas supplied to China will differ significantly from the global one. East is a delicate matter! As a result, everything can turn out the same way as with electricity supplies, the industry of the North-East of China is rushing by leaps and bounds on our free electricity, and the last Far Eastern enterprises are bent under the weight of prices ...
    1. igor_m_p
      igor_m_p 20 May 2014 08: 10
      +12
      Quote: Check
      And the cost of gas supplied to China will differ significantly from the global one.

      Reread the article carefully. The price tag is indicated - 350-380 bucks per thousand cubic meters, the average European price, so there is no reason to panic.
      1. Checks
        Checks 20 May 2014 08: 43
        0
        You know, the Chinese have such a feature - they really like to violate the agreements in a direction favorable to them, or refuse them at all. This has already happened more than once in our bilateral cooperation. An example is the sphere of military-technical cooperation, and more specifically, the supply of Russian Su-30MK ... So, there is no panic. But I would refrain from euphoria.
        1. igor_m_p
          igor_m_p 20 May 2014 09: 08
          +9
          It's not just China that likes to break agreements. Especially when it's profitable. Moreover, when it is extremely beneficial. To be honest, I didn't quite understand what the case with the Su-30MK was about. If about the fact that they licked our "Drying" - for some reason Russia did not make any claims, especially since a lot of things are supplied from Russia for Chinese aircraft. But with gas - whether it is gas or not, you won't be able to "copy" smile
          1. Checks
            Checks 20 May 2014 09: 16
            +3
            Sorry, we are talking about the Su-27SK, when China, having received the first batch of machine kits, refused the rest and sent us with our claims to hell ...
            1. asar
              asar 20 May 2014 11: 33
              +1
              They also "sent" the Yankes!
            2. washi
              washi 20 May 2014 13: 44
              +1
              Quote: Check
              Sorry, we are talking about the Su-27SK, when China, having received the first batch of machine kits, refused the rest and sent us with our claims to hell ...

              Sent.
              And then it turned out that without our engines they are complete g ..
              We all compensated.
          2. asar
            asar 20 May 2014 11: 32
            +3
            Well, they are engaged in "copying" the Celestial Empire is not today, "copies" EVERYTHING! Both in our country and in the Yankes they are "dragging"!
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      3. atalef
        atalef 20 May 2014 12: 31
        -7
        Quote: igor_m_p
        Quote: Check
        And the cost of gas supplied to China will differ significantly from the global one.

        Reread the article carefully. The price tag is indicated - 350-380 bucks per thousand cubic meters, the average European price, so there is no reason to panic.

        Yes, only taxes to the budget will be --- zero
        Russian President Vladimir Putin has proposed zeroing the mineral extraction tax (MET) for the fields from which gas will be supplied to China.

        Read more: http://top.rbc.ru/economics/20/05/2014/924830.shtml

        So that everything is in the pockets of the oligarchs, and that everything is beautiful - like the price is high. and to the budget - laughing
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 20 May 2014 13: 44
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          So that everything is in the pockets of the oligarchs, and that everything is beautiful - like the price is high. and to the budget

          In addition to taxes, there is also a duty, which is the most significant part of budget revenues.
        2. igor_m_p
          igor_m_p 21 May 2014 01: 52
          0
          Quote: atalef
          So that everything is in the pockets of the oligarchs, and that everything is beautiful - like the price is high. and to the budget -


          Take a close look at the severance tax. At normal mining enterprises, the severance tax never went to the budget. If the enterprise, besides mining, was also engaged in exploration, as well as other geological works, then these works were compensated precisely by the mineral extraction tax. Only given that usually the cost of geological work exceeded the mineral extraction tax, enterprises completely received it back and even paid extra for geological work from their profits. So your cue past the checkout counter.
    2. washi
      washi 20 May 2014 13: 41
      0
      Quote: Check
      As a result, everything can turn out the same way as with electricity supplies.

      But I agree with that.
      GLORY TO CHUBAIS.
      we supply electric energy cheaper than for our own
    3. Checks
      Checks 21 May 2014 07: 01
      0
      I would be grateful if you take your minuses back)
  6. ImPerts
    ImPerts 20 May 2014 07: 54
    +5
    It's too early to rejoice. Putin will only be in Shanghai today, where agreements should be signed. Let's hope that the Chinese will not twist their hands, using the events in Ukraine to trade and bargain for discounts.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 20 May 2014 09: 40
      +6
      Quote: ImPerts
      Let's hope that the Chinese will not twist their hands, using the events in Ukraine to trade and bargain for discounts.

      Of course, it will be naive to think otherwise, the most important thing for the PRC is the interests and benefits of the PRC. The ideological aspect of politics is feed for the masses, but in reality everything is decided by naked pragmatism, eat or eat you.
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 20 May 2014 10: 26
        +3
        Of course, it will be naive to think otherwise, the most important thing for the PRC is the interests and benefits of the PRC
        Of course, it will be naive to think differently, the most important thing for Russia is the interests and benefits of Russia .......... Of course, it will be naive to think differently, the most important thing for the USA is the interests and benefits of the USA, etc.
      2. ImPerts
        ImPerts 20 May 2014 11: 51
        +1
        If we talk about naked pragmatism, then it’s more profitable for the Chinese to pull the rubber, flavoring everything with compound feed sauce.
        Naked pragmatism is a strong thing, but in the case of the EU it breaks up about the USA (as an example).
        So pragmatism is not everywhere. In some places, and ideological commitment to feed.
  7. fvandaku
    fvandaku 20 May 2014 07: 55
    +2
    The main thing is that this would not become a trap for Russia.
    WITH CHINA AGREEMENTS, VERY SHORT.
  8. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 20 May 2014 08: 02
    +1
    It is a pity that our country is strongly ranged to enter these markets.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 20 May 2014 09: 37
      +3
      Quote: zoknyay82
      It is a pity that our country is strongly ranged to enter these markets.

      It is a pity that our country is so heavily dependent on gas exports.
      It is a pity that our country does not have real allies in Europe, although we have conquered half of Europe.
      It is a pity that for 23 years we have so stupidly pissed off people in Ukraine.
      1. max702
        max702 20 May 2014 09: 52
        +4
        Duc and our country have been in occupation for at least 23 years, and only now steps have been taken to get out of this situation, yes timid but small, but this is the beginning of the way ..
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 20 May 2014 13: 34
          -1
          Quote: max702
          Duc and our country have been in occupation for at least 23 years, and only now steps have been taken to get out of this situation, yes timid but small, but this is the beginning of the way ..

          What do you see these steps?
  9. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 20 May 2014 08: 04
    +2
    yes .. with the Chinese you need to keep your ear sharp! today they are allies. and tomorrow the Arabs will benefit and Russia will become an enemy
    1. Camouflet
      Camouflet 20 May 2014 11: 40
      +3
      yes .. with the Chinese you need to keep your ear sharp! today they are allies. and tomorrow the Arabs will benefit and Russia will become an enemy


      You need to keep your ears open with everyone. No less, p. Indos need to blame. And Europe will show off - turn off the gas through ukrotrubu. Bazaar, so serious. How much can you persuade!
  10. Lyton
    Lyton 20 May 2014 08: 04
    +4
    God help you, it’s as if the current didn’t work like with electricity, we merge it according to deshman, and the Chinese laugh at the residents of the Far East offering to resell back a little higher, but lower than what we are paying now.
  11. melnik
    melnik 20 May 2014 08: 05
    +4
    Or maybe try it yourself, do something with pens? In the years of the first five-year plans, it turned out well.
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren 20 May 2014 08: 08
      +1
      Quote: melnik
      Or maybe try it yourself, do something with pens? In the years of the first five-year plans, it turned out well.


      Just because the United States was depressed for the cheap and supplied entire plants for free.
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  12. Pitman
    Pitman 20 May 2014 08: 05
    +8
    China in partners is very good! But really with them you need to keep an eye out !!! And if China pays for gas in RMB or gold, then America is not good at all. Let them wash!
  13. saag
    saag 20 May 2014 08: 06
    +4
    Quote: ImPerts
    Let's hope that the Chinese will not twist their hands,

    just signing contracts today, all the preparation work has already been completed
  14. mamont5
    mamont5 20 May 2014 08: 08
    +6
    "The West is following the negotiations like never before,"

    Just about, sit there and tremble to what the two leading players will agree. And what will they say after the meeting, and also what they will keep silent about.

    "An energy alliance between Russia and China - two powerful powers - goes against the plans of the United States and poses a serious threat to Washington."

    Everything is correct, but this "gas line" will bind our states even more tightly and it will be beneficial for China to maintain peace here. And then the EU can suck a paw, and at will, something stronger.
  15. gandalf
    gandalf 20 May 2014 08: 10
    +5
    Vovka! Click on the gas! wink
  16. Arkan
    Arkan 20 May 2014 08: 12
    +2
    New sales markets, this is a good chance to calmly watch how urkaina steals European gas and remind them of "some kind of third energy package."
  17. NIVH
    NIVH 20 May 2014 08: 13
    +13
    Map with meaning
  18. Checks
    Checks 20 May 2014 08: 13
    +2
    Only INDIA can be the only full partner of Russia in Asia !!! A rapidly growing economy + long-standing partnerships + strong army and navy! And, most importantly, India is the main drift in the priest of our very cunning and unprincipled Far Eastern neighbors))
    1. ARS56
      ARS56 20 May 2014 14: 13
      +1
      India flirts with the United States and Geyropa, has rolled us on many military deals and is not a reliable partner. And the Hindu merchants are still those.
      1. Checks
        Checks 20 May 2014 17: 28
        0
        I totally disagree. Delhi entered into cooperation with the West only after we simply spit in their faces with our approach to fulfilling contractual obligations in the military-technical cooperation sphere. I think everyone knows about the modernization of the Varyag ... But the Indians have huge claims to the United States, and guess what. That's right, because of Pakistan!
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  19. Semenov
    Semenov 20 May 2014 08: 17
    +1
    The next turn in the battle for Ukraine. Now it will be difficult for Europe to reduce the price for Ukraine, citing the "unnecessary" gas in general.
  20. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 20 May 2014 08: 18
    +2
    Here is the answer to the uncleaned EUROPE. They will also come running and rush to their feet, sell gas, otherwise it is expensive in the USA. That supposedly the states are to blame.
  21. Singularist
    Singularist 20 May 2014 08: 31
    +2
    You just have to wait a bit, the United States will soon fall apart or everyone will turn away from them. With such leadership of the country in the person of the Abama and the Psaki, they will not go far. But the geyropa still p.zda, if you do not twist.
    1. KC4E
      KC4E 20 May 2014 09: 09
      0
      Why does Europe have a "p.zda"? If they are friends with Russia, they will hold out.
  22. KC4E
    KC4E 20 May 2014 08: 34
    +1
    The article is optimistic, LIKE: growth and security of the Russian economy, reliable customers, it will be more profitable for Europe to be friends with Russia; with such a policy, some countries will have to leave the EU so that they do not obey the aggressive US policy .... BUT, CHINA is unpredictable in relation to Russia. The Middle Kingdom has its own plans for the development of its country ... And not in favor of Russia.
  23. Selevc
    Selevc 20 May 2014 08: 39
    +8
    In the future, Russia could begin to develop other Asian markets. For example, South Korea and Japan are desperate for fuel supplies

    As for both Koreas, there is an excellent option - to build a common gas pipeline to the Korean Peninsula ... This would to some extent reduce the tension on the peninsula, help both Koreas economically and bring Russia additional profit ...
    It’s more difficult with Japan - the Japs need to put the question in the edge - either we put an end to the Second World War and together recognize the territorial status quo, or gas and oil will go past them - to Korea and China ...
    And as for Europe, Russia needs to adhere to such a strategy - the worse you treat us, the higher the gas price will be for you ...)))
    1. Checks
      Checks 20 May 2014 15: 34
      0
      You can ask: "Who will finance the construction of a pipe on the territory of the Korean Peninsula?" North Korea does not need our gas for nothing; they have bulk coal. And South Korea needs security guarantees. And Seoul does not want to pay the costs associated with the costs of this very security. And the Americans, for obvious reasons, will not sit idly by in this situation. So, if you want, we can pay with you, out of our pocket)
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 20 May 2014 17: 19
        0
        You can pay for construction together with Russia and both Koreas ... But you don’t have to write that North Korea is poor - they could pay for cheap gas not with currency but for example build roads or ports in the Far East ... As they say there would be a desire to cooperate - there is many ways of cooperation and options for joint projects ...
        You do not forget that despite the military alliance, Japan, Korea and the United States are serious economic competitors ... Cheap raw materials for South Korea mean additional stimulation of their economies and if relatively cheap Russian gas and oil appear in China, then the Koreans will have something to think about ...
        1. Checks
          Checks 20 May 2014 17: 41
          0
          The North Koreans in our Far East are building so many things. Especially they are notable plasterers! But the question is whether our hard workers need such competitors ... But about the contradictions between the United States and South Korea, I would not judge unequivocally. Seoul has big territorial "graters" with Japan (also a US ally), so Seoul and Tokyo are ready to do much to become Obama's "beloved wife." And, most importantly, the United States is the guarantor of South Korea's security from the turbulent North. So, a pipe across the Korean Peninsula is too ghostly a prospect.
          1. Selevc
            Selevc 20 May 2014 19: 36
            +1
            By the way, Japan, too, although it is not a completely sovereign country, is still actively cooperating with the Russian Federation in the field of energy ... And mutual claims with the Russian Federation or the dissatisfaction of the host (USA) somehow do not particularly stop them ...
            So, the pipe on the Korean Peninsula is too illusive a prospect.
            Why is it ghostly? If we allow today Russian gas and oil go to Japan, tomorrow they will go to China, the day after tomorrow the pipeline will appear in North Korea - damn the South Koreans will only have to put up with the North and pull the pipe to itself as well ...
            Quote: Check
            But the question is whether our hard workers need such competitors ...

            In fact, North Korea is a rich country - they have one practically inexhaustible resource - a very cheap and disciplined workforce ... But in Russia there are huge open spaces and big plans for the development of the Far East and Siberia ... I think that if you put the matter right, then Enough space for all and Russian and North Korean workers ...
            1. Checks
              Checks 20 May 2014 20: 12
              0
              So. As for the cooperation between Russia and Japan in the energy sector. The year 2011 was ideal for developing this type of cooperation, when the tsunami hit Japan and then followed by a decrease in Japanese interest in nuclear energy due to the consequences of the accident at the nuclear power plant. However, a miracle did not happen. The Japanese continue to stagnate and talk something about the Kuril Islands, without which the development of partnership with them is impossible. In 2013, Russia's share in Japan's foreign economic cooperation amounted to a miserable 2% ...
              As for the DPRK. Do you think the main costs associated with the implementation of infrastructure projects are labor? I doubt it. Yes, and we had sad experience using the North Koreans in logging operations near Chegdomyn of the Khabarovsk Territory. The homeland forgot them and actually left them to their own devices. Until now, the remnants of these labor units are ploddered in our area. And for the money that it will cost us gas for the DPRK, it is easier to take local unemployed, of whom we already have enough ... And you should not think that China, which controls the DPRK, will give us the opportunity to develop in the zone of their interests ...
              1. Selevc
                Selevc 20 May 2014 21: 04
                0
                Quote: Check
                As for the cooperation between Russia and Japan in the energy sector. Ideal for the development of this type of cooperation was 2011,

                Here is an interesting quote from the news of March 12, 2011
                Japanese authorities turned to Russia with a request to increase the supply of energy raw materials - coal and liquefied natural gas. This was announced by Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin in an interview with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, RIA Novosti reported.

                For many years, Japan has been actively cooperating with the Russian Federation in the projects Sakhalin-1 and Sakhalin-2.
                another quote:
                Since 2008, the project is expected to export 8 million tons of oil and 9,6 million tons of liquefied natural gas (LNG) per year from the first LNG plant in Russia. All Sakhalin-2 gas has already been contracted by customers, mainly in Japan.


                Quote: Check
                In 2013, Russia's share in Japan’s foreign economic cooperation amounted to a miserable 2% ...

                What do you want? Japan has been actively exporting its products for decades to all over the world - especially for various electronics and the automotive industry ... Probably 3/4 of the world's population have or have ever had Japanese smart gizmos ... Economic ties that have been established and developed 10- For years it’s impossible to compare with what is just emerging ... 2% is decent considering that this is a share of the enormous total volume of products that Japan exports - a country with very, very limited resources ...
                Quote: Check
                As for the DPRK. Do you think the main costs associated with the implementation of infrastructure projects are labor?

                And what else are they connected with? For some reason, Europe benefits from a cheap labor force, while the Russian Federation does not ... Large Western corporations have long been placing their production (especially low and medium-tech stages) in the third world precisely because of the abundance of "cheap hands" there ...
                This reminds me of "Ridna Nenka Ukraine" - damn it is profitable to sow grain all over the world - we do not have it (on the best lands of the planet), it is profitable to melt steel everywhere - we have no damn thing, the transit of gas and oil all over the world is super profitable damn Tymoshenko said that citizens voluntarily help the bankrupt - the Ukrneftegaz company ... This is not an economy - but a solid razvodilovo and scam ...
                1. Checks
                  Checks 20 May 2014 22: 54
                  0
                  Firstly, you should not rely on the statements of our government officials - they often give out wishful thinking. Secondly, the promising Far Eastern market is oh close to Japanese investors, but you will hardly find any joint ventures in the Far East. And thirdly, ask any Far East whether our region is experiencing a shortage of foreign labor. Even on Sakhalin, there are more Kyrgyz and Uzbeks than in all of the ridiculous Ukraine.
  24. mig31
    mig31 20 May 2014 08: 43
    +2
    In flowing, everything is changing and the world is changing, not the State Department and the EU is one Earth, but in chess they are weaklings ...
  25. Afinogen
    Afinogen 20 May 2014 08: 49
    0
    After that, Europe will not become so impudent, and the Americans will think about it.
  26. Free wind
    Free wind 20 May 2014 08: 53
    +1
    And who in the west refuses gas? Are there such countries? What kind of hysteria, I can’t understand at all. Germany began to buy gas from the USSR back in the 70s, at the height of the Cold War. and no one really bothered about the opinion of the United States. Our foreign policy is excellent, when we suddenly found ourselves surrounded by bloodthirsty enemies. But what’s interesting is that you can walk on the streets of German cities even in full-dress uniform of Russia, and even with a red flag, and they won’t say a word against you. Why is there a tantrum that the FRG is about to attack us. And suddenly, only China is our unexpected and long-awaited friend. God save me from such friends.
  27. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 20 May 2014 08: 56
    +1
    Do not forget that EAST IS A DELICATE MATTER.
    1. ARS56
      ARS56 20 May 2014 14: 17
      +1
      And the WEST is a DARK and rotten business.
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  28. KC4E
    KC4E 20 May 2014 08: 59
    +1
    If gas is supplied to Asia (China, North and South Korea, India, Japan ...) and everything is so, according to the agreements, then the Western economy will be on the verge of collapse, the dollar will definitely depreciate.
  29. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 20 May 2014 09: 28
    +5
    any American trick can be overcome by Russian unpredictability, especially since Moscow has also armed itself with Chinese wisdom ...

    Well good luck Vladimir Vladimirovich in negotiations with China! I think they are not only talking about gas supplies there. We hope that we will agree mutually beneficial ..
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 20 May 2014 09: 48
      +1
      Xi Jinping is impressed by the hardness and consistency of GDP, as well as his own opinion and the ability to uphold it.
  30. Energet1k_
    Energet1k_ 20 May 2014 09: 43
    +2
    In the United States, they hoped to isolate Russia, depriving it of sources of income, and choke Chinaby blocking the access of resources to the Chinese market.

    You can, of course, sing the bravado that the United States is trying to play a war with China, etc., but all this is nothing more than minor confrontations that in no way affect the economic and geopolitical ties between China and the United States. For 20 years, American business was taken to China, all their "dirty kitchen" was transported to the Middle Kingdom, and it is naive to believe now that the Americans will abandon it because of the conflict in Ukraine, so who, who, and they think grandmothers, is the best. And then there is a nice thing from Russia in the form of bonuses with discounts on energy carriers and a contract for twenty years in advance. Controversial decisions, of course, but we don't have much choice either. Let's see what happens next
  31. sazhka4
    sazhka4 20 May 2014 09: 46
    +4
    Again this pipe ... Not a word about technology, equipment, electronics. Can Gazprom make the Emblem of Russia? All this is boring. I don’t see the scope and desire to build .. Only if a new pipe .. Chem his head with all sorts of nonsense. Think about the equipment. A trifle. And here is a WHOLE PIPE ..
  32. Sandor Rado
    Sandor Rado 20 May 2014 10: 02
    +1
    A small spoonful of dega in this huge barrel of honey, called gas supplies to China.
    I will quote a fragment of one article
    “The second problem is the conditions. Russia is used to the fact that it dictates prices on the European market, and in case of need it can cut supplies, as it was in 2009. But the Chinese market is completely different. China already has a diversified system of energy supplies, he gets them from a large list of countries, starting with Turkmenistan and ending with the Arab states.The economy of China, despite the slowdown, continues to grow at a rate of more than 7%, respectively, another source will be significant, but it is not critical. Therefore, the Chinese are bargaining over the price for several years.

    And since Russia is not an ally of China, if an agreement fails, Beijing will be ready to wait a little longer. So the problem now facing the Kremlin is whether to agree to the Chinese terms. Russian representatives say that everything has already been agreed, except for one figure, but this figure is the key one. The price will definitely be lower than on the European market, the question is how much. In conditions when Russia is in conflict with the West, Beijing gets the opportunity to more actively break through the most favorable conditions for it. This is the main intrigue of Putin's visit to China. "
  33. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 20 May 2014 10: 02
    +4
    You need to be on the alert with China!
    1. sazhka4
      sazhka4 20 May 2014 12: 21
      +2
      [quote = Dwarfik] You need to be on the alert with China!

      Why is that suddenly? "Friends" "Partners"? The words. words .. Words have passed, the rest is disgusting .. But not all the world is friends .. Call Our "FRIENDS". Piece by piece .. Let's laugh together. DON'T see and don't fucking know.
  34. via75
    via75 20 May 2014 10: 13
    +2
    Quote: KC 4
    The article is optimistic, LIKE: growth and security of the Russian economy, reliable customers, it will be more profitable for Europe to be friends with Russia; with such a policy, some countries will have to leave the EU so that they do not obey the aggressive US policy .... BUT, CHINA is unpredictable in relation to Russia. The Middle Kingdom has its own plans for the development of its country ... And not in favor of Russia.

    it is truth too. but at this time and we have our own plans.
    the result from the alleged signing of an agreement with China is already there and it is positive: at a meeting of EU energy ministers, it was decided not to impose sanctions against the Russian energy complex
  35. Anton-sed
    Anton-sed 20 May 2014 10: 14
    +3
    If only attempts were made to get off the dependence of the oil and gas industry. Laziness and a freebie - the misfortune of our country!
    1. ARS56
      ARS56 20 May 2014 14: 26
      +3
      High-tech and highly profitable oil and gas industry for Russia you do not like. High-tech production and highly profitable arms trade in Russia are also useless ... Would you go to the forest. Oil and gas is God's gift to Russia, and it is necessary to use this gift with benefit and profit. Russia has many envious people, they confuse our gift of God with their narcotic needle.
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  36. buzer
    buzer 20 May 2014 10: 20
    +1
    Russia needs to act "more aggressively" and quicker in terms of laying gas pipelines to China. If we manage to put the Chinese on the gas "needle", then it is possible to arrange a gas "break" in Europe too !!! And stop suffering from China phobia !!! Russia is afraid of China. Or do you think the Chinese are not afraid of Russia ??? The amount of Russian nuclear weapons you want to respect to force ...
  37. Alekst
    Alekst 20 May 2014 10: 22
    +5
    Something seems to me that China today and in a difficult situation to dictate its conditions to Russia, from the Pacific coast China is surrounded by completely unfriendly countries, such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines and others, which back up such giants as the USA and India, which are also, to put it mildly, not friends of China. On the other hand, it is beneficial for Russia not to aggravate relations with Japan and South Korea, for well-known reasons, as well as with India, almost an ally, in general it seems to me a complex tangle of contradictions, benefits and interests, corrected by a sauce of the history of relations. Russia probably should adhere to a more pragmatic and multi-vector policy in this region, and help China no more than China helps Russia in the situation with Ukraine. as an opinion ..
  38. ALEKS419
    ALEKS419 20 May 2014 10: 56
    +2
    I think that the US plans did not include such a turn of events - between China and RUSSIA.
    The mattresses were harboring other ideas .. At least one of them. It’s Tehran. It has complete control over Iranian oil. (If I’m not mistaken, China is the main consumer of Iranian hydrocarbons.) Then the United States could talk to our silent neighbor. over - I think that it’s far not in favor of us and you ..
    And here it turns out Iran could not take their hands and Russia slipped out like a fish. Reorienting its resources to the east.

    As they wrote earlier .. The East is a delicate matter .. I would very much like Putin to. Showed a cold-blooded move. That our neighbor would be satisfied,. Concluding economic contracts -But we saved them --- KOZYRY HANDS.
  39. Orel
    Orel 20 May 2014 11: 34
    +2
    China considers the Far East and Siberia to be its lands. Which Russia illegally conquered during the mid-19th century. 10 thousand tanks are not inferior to our T-72. Armadas are tank and human. Opinion of the Deputy Director of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis Alexander Khramchikhin
    Expert: China will attack Russia with a probability of 95-99%. The question is when? In fact, we are a raw materials appendage of China, and colonies, as a rule, conquer. Under that terrible corruption system, the money will be sopped, divided, transferred, and silver-plated. The example of Europe confirms this.
    PS And you need to be friends with China, having some kind of ocean between him and the country. Better Quiet. And not a broken border without troops, fortified areas, but with hundreds of thousands of Chinese migrant workers. Read better the prophecies of the saints.
    "Elder Vissarion Optinsky:" Something like a coup d'etat will happen in Russia. Then the Chinese will attack. They will reach the Urals. Then the Russians will unite according to the Orthodox principle ... "."
    1. Camouflet
      Camouflet 20 May 2014 11: 52
      +1
      China considers the Far East and Siberia to be its lands.
      You never know what someone thinks. It is not fictions that must be counted, but reality. And the "prophecies of the saints" are read only by narrow-minded people.
    2. ImPerts
      ImPerts 20 May 2014 11: 55
      +1
      TNW and SNW will help them.
      Khramchikhin will write ...
  40. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 20 May 2014 11: 45
    0
    Not even close check and checkmate, rather the opposite. The largest consumer of Russian gas is Europe. China does not cover even half of its consumption, in addition, China will further strengthen in the near future. And as soon as Russia loses the European market, it will become a monopolist in consumption, and will quietly begin to twist its hands at a price.
    America is driving us out of Europe. As soon as the Ukrainian pipe is sold to the Americans, and this is the first thing to happen, the valve on the Russian border will be closed and the Ukrainian gas market will technically fall under Europe. The northern stream is not completely filled not because Russia cannot, Europeans do not give. The same story will be repeated with the southern one, and with the help of various conditions, the throughput of these palliatives will be regulated in Brussels, and not in Moscow, as they like. America is clearing the European market for its LNG and quite successfully. Instead of the stupid pipes around the ukranina, it was necessary to invest the same money in the struggle for it. Despite the fact that half of the population after 2004 was for Russia, and even now part of the population is actually ready to die for its interests, if Russia were even a little more serious about its own interests, now the situation would be completely different. In general, Ukraine is a grandiose failure of Russia, which for a couple of decades will come around in full swing and it is not clear how to end. The Soviet Union has been creating a system of Europe’s dependence on itself for so long, and then they profucally literally in the simplest two-way.
    1. Alekst
      Alekst 20 May 2014 12: 49
      +2
      What the author called "check and checkmate" is not necessarily it, it can only in the light of recent events, and so the contract for the supply of gas, and what's wrong with that? As for liquefied gas from the United States, when will it be, and to what extent will these deliveries be able to fill the entire volume of Russian gas supplies to Europe, but even if they do, what is wrong with that? you will be left with your irreplaceable reserves, and let you disfigure your yu) and it’s probably time to get off the gas needle, and so on.
      As for investing in Ukraine, how do you see this for yourself? buying TV channels and shouting all over Ukraine - how good it is in Russia, how to cancel visas and you can go to work and get more than in Europe, and how Ukraine will bloom and smell in the arms of Russia's advanced economy, and this is the year 2002 !?
  41. ALEKS419
    ALEKS419 20 May 2014 11: 48
    +1
    Quote: Anton-Sed
    If only attempts were made to get off the dependence of the oil and gas industry. Laziness and a freebie - the misfortune of our country!

    I hope the leadership of our country will draw the appropriate conclusions ..on a representative example of Ukraine.
  42. 2224460
    2224460 20 May 2014 11: 57
    +1
    Quote: igor_m_p
    Quote: ksv500
    The Chinese will never miss out! And gently, respectfully try to use our difficulties to their advantage!

    The fact of the matter is that China’s interests now coincide in many respects with ours. China is as buggy for the states as Russia is, and in China they understand this very well. Among other things, the situation around the Spratly Islands is now starting to escalate from the filing of the states, among other things, the Americans are contributing to the incitement of internal ethnic conflicts in China.
    So for China now it seems logical to be friends with Russia against the states.

    That is to be FRIENDLY, and this is no longer just logical, but VITALLY NECESSARY. Last week Abamushka visited all the Asia-Pacific countries except China, and pressed his hand, clapped everyone on the shoulder, swore to protect and protect. Vietnam, Japan, Thailand are everywhere disputed territories. China, and whose side will be supported by the "mattresses" is a no brainer. But the link between China and Russia is serious. After all, the Asia-Pacific region is all without gas and oil, and here is such an ally, and even with the entire periodic table. So it seems that the BEARLING will be stronger than the scream of the bald (cockerel) eagle, the dragon understands this.
  43. TROG
    TROG 20 May 2014 12: 13
    0
    Also, companies from China will have the opportunity to participate in the development of mainland and offshore oil fields in Russia. -Why?
  44. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 20 May 2014 12: 27
    0
    Well, let’s see that there’s a brand new supply of GDP for the United States and the European Union!
  45. Rostislav
    Rostislav 20 May 2014 12: 34
    +2
    Quote: igor_m_p
    Well, since in the foreseeable future the end of the world in a single country (this is me about the United States) is not expected,

    What about Yellowstone? I believe that seismologists were not mistaken. Different scientists give the same forecast.
  46. ed65b
    ed65b 20 May 2014 12: 48
    +1
    if Russia succeeds in resolving the issue with North Korea on laying railway lines to South Korea and pipes, the prospect is huge. Is the young leader ready for this? More likely no than yes. Or Russia does not press on him yet.
  47. demon184
    demon184 20 May 2014 13: 16
    0
    To increase supplies to China and impose an embargo on the supply of unfriendly regimes and companies cooperating with terrorist companies in the United States.
  48. Sandor Rado
    Sandor Rado 20 May 2014 13: 21
    -1
    Thanks to all the commentators, you can close the discussion, the author of the article got a little excited, got hot !!!!
    Moscow and Beijing have made "substantial progress" on the issue of exporting Russian gas to China, said Dmitry Peskov. Nevertheless, the main issue that has not been agreed on since 2009 is the price, and here, according to the press secretary of the President of Russia, there are still issues that need to be finalized.

    http://news.mail.ru/politics/18253436/?frommail=1

    In other words, the math and GDP of our dear.
    1. sazhka4
      sazhka4 20 May 2014 14: 31
      0
      Quote: Sandor Rado
      Thanks to all the commentators, you can close the discussion, the author of the article got a little excited, got hot !!!!


      http://news.mail.ru/politics/18253436/?frommail=1

      In other words, the math and GDP of our dear.

      I myself understood what I wrote .. Who, to whom, why. ?
      1. Sandor Rado
        Sandor Rado 20 May 2014 14: 44
        -2
        What's not clear? there Above, above the link, the words of Peskov, the press secretary of the GDP, from which it follows that China did not accept the gas price announced by the GDP. The holiday is canceled, Obama nervously smokes on the sidelines, not understanding how he can get "checkmate" in someone else's party.
        PS I noticed for a long time that if the "Russian patriot" has nothing to cover, he either turns on the "fool" and does not understand, or simply sends tries. ))))))
  49. Sandor Rado
    Sandor Rado 20 May 2014 13: 22
    -3
    Thanks to all the commentators, you can close the discussion, the author of the article got a little excited, got hot !!!!
    Moscow and Beijing have made "substantial progress" on the issue of exporting Russian gas to China, said Dmitry Peskov. Nevertheless, the main issue that has not been agreed on since 2009 is the price, and here, according to the press secretary of the President of Russia, there are still issues that need to be finalized.

    http://news.mail.ru/politics/18253436/?frommail=1

    In other words, the math and GDP of our dear.
  50. Sandor Rado
    Sandor Rado 20 May 2014 13: 22
    -2
    Thanks to all the commentators, you can close the discussion, the author of the article got a little excited, got hot !!!!
    Moscow and Beijing have made "substantial progress" on the issue of exporting Russian gas to China, said Dmitry Peskov. Nevertheless, the main issue that has not been agreed on since 2009 is the price, and here, according to the press secretary of the President of Russia, there are still issues that need to be finalized.

    http://news.mail.ru/politics/18253436/?frommail=1

    In other words, the math and GDP of our dear.
    1. Checks
      Checks 20 May 2014 15: 20
      +3
      It seems that our cheers patriots have little knowledge of the history of Russian-Chinese cooperation in the fuel and energy sector. And even worse, the Chinese know the PLA’s offensive potential, out of habit considering our eastern neighbors only as poorly educated slaves who are ready to sell all kinds of things in our markets for a penny and just buy Russian gas at world prices. The Chinese know how to wait ... And you can minus)
      1. Checks
        Checks 20 May 2014 18: 55
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        And in general, among all this informational noise, the news that the state is selling its block of shares in Rosneft was slightly lost! But I think that for most couch generals she will not be interested. What for?! It is more interesting to consider options for attacking Chinese columns ...