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The path of Hitler or the path of Bismarck? Germany still has a choice

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The path of Hitler or the path of Bismarck? Germany still has a choice



We have no complaints about Germany, Germany has us. Do they need to be pawns in the US game?

Otto von Bismarck, of course, does not need rehabilitation - his soul has enough respect for the Germans who now live in united Germany and many monuments established in his honor.

We, living now, have a bad idea that some one and a half century ago Germany, as a real state, did not exist - there was a loose conglomerate of German-speaking states, and their future unifier - Prussia - was not even considered to be even Germany, entering into this concept only part of their lands.

At the beginning of the 19 century, Germany consisted of 350 states of varying degrees of independence! And after the Napoleonic wars, although the unification process had already begun, up to the 1866 year - there were more than thirty German states.

And as a result of the activities of Otto von Bismarck, this very united Germany appeared - most of the Germans reunited within the framework of one state. Then, in the 19 century, it was still a novelty, and even during the First World War, some difference between the Prussians and, for example, the Bavarians was felt - but now it is not so. That is, Bismarck is reasonably considered to be also the creator of the modern German nation.

Russian diplomacy rather contributed to the unification of Germany than it hindered because it saw in strong Germany a counterweight for the more dangerous then France and England, the victors of Russia in the Crimean War. This was facilitated by the close friendships of Bismarck and the Russian Chancellor Gorchakov, who was in relation to Bismarck even not only a friend, but also a mentor. How true she, the policy, was was a separate question and not yet resolved.

First, about the subject of rehabilitation.

Bismarck knew the Russian people well, he lived in Russia for several years. Although this is not a guarantee - many foreigners even for a few years can not understand anything, but Bismarck was undoubtedly a very smart person. And he adhered to quite definite views on both us and our state.

He believed that under no circumstances it was necessary to quarrel with Russia, and even more so - to fight. In a difficult situation 19-th century, he foresaw the possibility of drawing Russia and Germany into the war because of membership in different coalitions, but always fought against this probability, being somehow certain that Germany will never, as such, be the object of aggression from Russia.

Also, as a legendary person, he acts as the author of many sentences, most of which, as usually happens, do not belong to him, or are greatly distorted, or simply cannot be confirmed by reliable sources. But among the more or less homogeneous in ideology ("Russians are harnessed for a long time, but they drive fast," "do not wake the Russian bear") there is one, often quoted, in whole or in part, in the light of current events:

“The power of Russia can be undermined only by Ukraine’s separation from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia, pit two parts of a single nation and watch how a brother will kill a brother. To do this, you only need to find and cultivate traitors among the national elite and with their help change the self-consciousness of one part of a great nation to such an extent that it will hate everything Russian, hate its kind without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. ”

The ideas of war against Russia were developed by his political opponents from the so-called. The Weekly Party, one of which, M. Betman-Golveg, later became one of the main instigators of the First World War, and as such was worthy of the gallows no less than any Ribbentrop, but this is a separate история. And he attributed this idea to Bismarck, maybe by mistake, a little-known Uniate writer (I. Rudovich, “Metropolitan Andrіya Sheptytsky’s Entry to the Metropolitan Throne in Lviv” (“Theology”, Lviv, 1926, p. 219)). Further, it was developed and supplemented by comments from various story tellers.

The fact that Bismarck was going to tear up Little Russia, and most importantly, that he wanted to defeat Russia with this, is pure invention of the Galician Uniates. In my opinion, he did not even know such a word - Ukraine - and the population of the Carpathian region usually called “Rusyns” (not “Little Russians”).

Here is his own comment (from “Memoirs”) about the area that we now call “Western Ukraine”:

“In general, Galicia is less firmly attached to the Austrian monarchy than Poznan and West Prussia are to Prussian. This Austrian province, opened from the east, is artificially glued to Austria from the outside of the Carpathians; Austria could do without it if, instead of 5 or 6, millions of Poles and Ruthenians could get a refund within the Danube basin ”.

In reality, Bismarck’s position was simple and logical: Russia cannot be defeated permanently, in any way. Temporarily, it may be possible (and as he writes with a fair skepticism, “It’s not so easy!”), But even by defeating and dividing the Russians, their subsequent reunification cannot be prevented, and instead of the safe eastern border, Germany will sooner or later get strong adversary, thirsty revenge.

At the time, this was not a trivial idea: a powerful national state was still a new idea in Europe. After all, states can be on other bases, not national ones - they can unite around a certain dynasty, or religion, or ideology ... For good reason the Austrian military, the inhabitants of the country where 10 millions of Germans ruled 40 millions of Slavs and Hungarians were supporters of the war against Russia. Their state was built on a different basis, not on national patriotism. But for some reason Bismarck was convinced that the “millions of Russians” are the basis of Russia.

Bismarck was not a pacifist either in words or in deeds. Both in his speeches, on the solution of "fundamental issues with iron and blood," and in deeds, when he deliberately provoked the war with France in 1871, he was to the limit a determined supporter of the national idea. There were few people in the world who created the nation — and Bismarck was one of those few.

He could not only attract the second most important German-speaking country - Austria, and not only because of the dynastic ambitions of the rulers of Austria - the Hapsburgs. The main reason - the Habsburgs did not want to give up dominion over many non-Germans, primarily Hungarians - and for this they abandoned the all-German crown, although they were offered it in 1849 year! But Bismarck still led his king, first to hegemony in the German Alliance, and then to the crown of the German Empire. Austria (then Austria-Hungary) missed its historic chance to lead the all-German state.

But we should be more interested in how Bismarck saw the future relations of this giant country with the European concepts with us - with Russia.

This is Bismarck's reliably documented opinion on how Germany should proceed from:

“Even the most successful outcome of the war will never lead to the disintegration of Russia, which rests on the millions of Russian believers in the Greek denomination. The latter, even if they are separated by international treaties, will reunite with each other as quickly as they find their way to each other by disconnected mercury droplets.

This indestructible State of the Russian nation is strong in its climate, its spaces and its unpretentiousness, as well as through the awareness of the need to permanently protect its borders.

This State, even after a complete defeat, will remain our creature, an adversary seeking revenge, as we have in the case of today's France in the West. This would create for the future a situation of constant tension, which we will be forced to assume, if Russia decides to attack us or Austria. But I am not ready to accept this responsibility, and to be the initiator of creating this situation by ourselves.

We already have a failed example of the "destruction" of a nation by three strong opponents - a much weaker Poland. This destruction has failed for as many 100 years.
The vitality of the Russian nation will be no less. ”

It is important to note that this letter is usually given in a strongly abbreviated, if not reworked form, with important points being missed. One of them is the recognition of the indestructibility of the Polish nation, even if it is the weakest relative to the Russian nation. This is the opinion of Bismarck and we need to consider.

By the way, from this short mention it is clear that Bismarck considered it unpromising policy to try to keep the Poles separated, and therefore he considered neighborhood in the future with restored Poland to be normal.

The ideological legacy of Bismarck is great, but he was not lucky with his heirs. His political opponents, who came to power in Germany, did not protect the country from war on two fronts, which led to the defeat in the WWI, and a quarter of a century later, Hitler deliberately put the German people in this mortally dangerous situation.

Hitler proclaimed himself the successor of Bismarck’s case, but behind his outward gestures of respect there was a completely different policy - “drang nah Osten”, that is, seizures in Eastern Europe, certainly not among the ideological baggage of Bismarck. How, by the way, and the "Anti-Comintern Pact".

The real Bismarck, himself being a consistent opponent of socialism (it is easy to find the corresponding statements), carried out — the first in European history — socialist transformations in the economy. His social insurance for workers was a much more severe blow to the socialist movement than any shooting at the barricades and mass executions practiced in other European countries.

Bismarck created a state, satisfied with his position and able to protect himself; but his heirs, mainly through their own fault, led Germany to the situation of the still occupied country. If you look at the European map of the year 1913 and modern - the difference in the outlines of Germany can not fail to amaze.

It is necessary to think over all this well now, when the world and European configurations are noticeably shaken. America still has overwhelming military power, but it can no longer project it into Europe without the participation of Germany, Poland and Romania. So what do the people of these countries want? Do they, through the stages of the new cold war, want to take part in the war hot to ... what? What was the trade association of Ukraine and the EU? It is clear that the West is drawing them into a war with Russia not for association, but to defeat Russia. But ... did Bismarck explain everything?

European societies have their own problems. I will quote one of the posts from the European forum:

“Please do not confuse Western and Southern Europe with the“ West. ” The "West" is the United States and the United Kingdom, and their poodles. And secondly, do not confuse what European politicians do or say with what Europeans and ordinary Europeans think.

At the moment, our main concern in Europe is unemployment, immigration, especially from outside Europe, and Islamization. We want none of this to happen. But we have to leave the EU to take on these issues.

And we, of course, do not want to be associated with the Ukrainian fascists. ”

This is, in my opinion, the main thing. We have no complaints about Germany, Germany has us. We do not pose a threat to the Germans, even if they wanted to - Germany will be able to fully protect itself. Our economies complement each other (this is not very flattering for us, but this is a fact).

Now Germany has a rare historical chance - to choose the path of Napoleon and Hitler - or the path of Bismarck.
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  1. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 20 May 2014 21: 11
    +19
    I want to believe ... that pragmatism will prevail in relations between Germany and Russia ... mutually beneficial relations between both countries are cleared of a hysterical political perception of any situation in the world.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 20 May 2014 21: 38
      +4
      Learn O. Bismarck the Germans .. And do not repeat more mistakes .. (otherwise in the next run over to Russia, Germany may simply disappear as a state) The Russians are not vindictive and yet ...
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 20 May 2014 23: 35
        +3
        Now the Russians and Germans are more likely comrades in misfortune. The extinction of the indigenous nation, the dominance of migrants, a tribute to the United States, we still have corruption.
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        2. Aryan
          Aryan 21 May 2014 02: 35
          0
          their choice is sad, both Germans are dead sad
          1. Gilgamesh
            Gilgamesh 21 May 2014 23: 26
            0
            That's just these Germans finished in different ways. Yes, and they remember different things.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 21 May 2014 02: 36
        +6
        I watched the broadcast of forgotten victories on a ren TV ... and to my shame, I did not know anything about this battle ... look, this is what Bismarck respected Russian soldiers and Russia as a whole for... this is the feat of the Russian soldier, called the "attack of the dead" throughout the world.
    2. Gilgamesh
      Gilgamesh 21 May 2014 23: 24
      0
      A very logical and balanced position. Of course, there is no sincere fraternity and oaths of eternal fidelity in international politics, but mutually beneficial cooperation that respects the interests of both countries is quite possible. That would have happened. We look at the elections to the European Parliament.
  2. vsoltan
    vsoltan 20 May 2014 21: 14
    +17
    It is a pity that Alexander III, under the influence of Maria Fyodorovna (Dagmara), poher alliance with Germany and reoriented to the countries of the Entente. This led to two world wars. But hypothetically - with Germany the whole world would be put in a knee-elbow pose. The Germans are our sworn friend. And oh, how I want to look for an overseas mug in such a historical turn and subsequent events!
    1. qwert
      qwert 21 May 2014 07: 26
      +1
      Studying history, you come to the conclusion that only two states: Germany and Russia, never threw allies. In the years of World War I, we saved the French at their every request, and in the years of World War II Hitler also saved the Italian troops, which got into binding, more than once in those directions that were not so important for the Germans. THIS IS JUST TWO EXAMPLES, AND THERE WERE MUCH IN BOTH WARS.
      In addition, the humiliating restrictions imposed on Russia after the Crimean War were lifted thanks to the action of German diplomats who fully supported Russia in these matters.
      I came to the same conclusion a long time ago, Russia, in alliance with Germany, could have put the whole world together in the 1914 year and now. Yes, and World War II would have been somewhat different if Rem had been in power, wishing friendship with the USSR. Now the United States would be a single country, far from a fact in this situation.
  3. Balamyt
    Balamyt 20 May 2014 21: 17
    +22
    Dream a little hunting. The alliance of Germany + Russia + China = the whole world at our feet. And no options!
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 20 May 2014 21: 46
      +8
      The leader in Germany is an obscure hour, lately he is only looking into the mouth of the Monkey. She is far from both Bismarck and Hitler
    2. Gilgamesh
      Gilgamesh 21 May 2014 23: 29
      0
      Yeah, fun would be everything. But history, as they say, does not tolerate. Let's see how the tandem goes without Germany.
  4. Barboskin
    Barboskin 20 May 2014 21: 20
    +9
    The author did not mention that Bismarck was our ally in the Great Patriotic War. His articles were broadcast on the radio in German, and given his authority for the Germans, this was serious agitation.
    1. tchack
      tchack 20 May 2014 22: 27
      0
      He died in 1898 ... What ally ???
      "His articles were broadcast in German on the radio, and given his authority for the Germans, this was serious campaigning." - passed, but what articles ?? Have you read what articles of Bismarck were broadcast on the radio during Hitler's rule ??
      1. Barboskin
        Barboskin 20 May 2014 22: 43
        +3
        I will tell you honestly I don’t know what Bismarck’s articles were broadcast under Hitler in Germany, but during the war our radio broadcast on the German wave Bismarck’s statements about the disastrous path of the war between Russia and Germany. And it was stronger than the Comintern snot. But in general, if such a clever man explain to us when and what articles were transmitted?
        1. qwert
          qwert 21 May 2014 07: 28
          +1
          Well, not quite articles, rather quotes and statements by Bismarck in speeches of German anti-fascists broadcasting on the radio of the Comintern.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 21 May 2014 09: 35
        +1
        He died in 1898 ... What ally ???


        Yeah, estimate, got up from the coffin and worked for SMERSH as a secret employee :).
        Clear cases that used his historical statements.
  5. Arh
    Arh 20 May 2014 21: 22
    +11
    Sensible Germans want to be friends with Russia !!!
    1. v245721
      v245721 20 May 2014 22: 21
      +1
      no, there is pure business, and not some friendship.
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  7. Corsair
    Corsair 20 May 2014 21: 26
    +17
    I turn to the Germans: Live according to the covenants of not the stupid Iron Chancellor, and everything will be as it should ...
  8. Stalker
    Stalker 20 May 2014 21: 26
    +5
    Germany has already made a choice - the States ... Ukraine and Germany are your further friends .... am
  9. PRN
    PRN 20 May 2014 21: 30
    +11
    Small beats, and later, those who sit behind a large puddle, tried to prevent the union of Russia and Germany with all the fibers of the soul (if they had one). Since this alliance may raise the question of the dominance of the Anglo-Saxons in the world, and joining the alliance of China - casts off impudent Saxons to the category of even non-regional countries, this is the end of today's world order !!
    1. andj61
      andj61 20 May 2014 22: 59
      +3
      Such an alliance would be great! But you understand - this is impossible. Germany today is an occupied country, it cannot speak out sharply against the will of the occupier.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 21 May 2014 01: 20
        0
        Quote: andj61
        Such an alliance would be great! But you understand - this is impossible. Germany today is an occupied country, it cannot speak out sharply against the will of the occupier.

        So Germany will again have to free ...
        I hope that at least they will start on their own, like Donbass, I hope that the French will not leave behind either ...
        And then - the islanders will have the islands, the renewed "Russian spring" Europe will be from Lisbon to Vladivostok, and the nation of emigrants will emigrate back, for a big puddle.
        Dreams Dreams...
  10. Barboskin
    Barboskin 20 May 2014 21: 30
    +5
    Quote: Dmitry Toderese
    My personal opinion: Although Bismarck is not a friend of Russia, I like him. yes

    If Bismarck is not a friend of Russia, then he is her big fan.
  11. Giant thought
    Giant thought 20 May 2014 21: 32
    +3
    It is advisable to be friends of Russia and Germany, but something the German leaders are looking more and more overseas, and the union would have promised excellent prospects.
  12. vsoltan
    vsoltan 20 May 2014 21: 34
    +4
    Quote: Balamyt
    Dream a little hunting. The alliance of Germany + Russia + China = the whole world at our feet. And no options!

    It is possible that the German das ordung would have scared the Chinese for a long time .... and would have sailed in the wake - with us and with the Germans ..... it is quite possible.
  13. basmach
    basmach 20 May 2014 21: 35
    +3
    Relations between Russia and Germany, as relations between two young brothers, cannot be without each other, but at the same time they constantly beat each other's faces. It is time for the younger brother (Germans) to grow up
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 20 May 2014 22: 41
      +2
      What are you talking about? Germany is a separate branch of the white race under the influence of Catholicism. We are really cousins ​​in language and hapgroup. The Russians did not dilute the blood brought in from Africa by slaves and retained their language. That is the difference.
  14. Dilshat
    Dilshat 20 May 2014 21: 36
    +1
    Just do not forget the well-fed well-being of Germany is based on cheap skilled labor from Eastern Europe. On pumping out resources from the same Eastern Europe. More favorable conditions for the promotion of their goods and markets. From the closest competitor-Yugoslavia, there were only one flaws.
    1. 290980
      290980 21 May 2014 01: 13
      +2
      Just do not forget the well-fed Germany's well-being rests on cheap skilled labor from Eastern Europe

      absolute nonsense ... skilled slave. power cheap never happens ... this is the first.
      and the second, the prosperity of Germany was built by the Germans themselves, these are the Turks and all sorts of Yugoslavs with Serbs and Croats ascribing to themselves that without them, "the Germans would wipe their ass with stones"))), but in fact, as they performed the simplest and most uncomplicated work, they do her until now. Recently, local Germans began to recruit more Germans from the former USSR for serious work, something like this was not observed 5-6 years ago.
  15. vsoltan
    vsoltan 20 May 2014 21: 43
    +2
    Quote: Dilshat
    Just do not forget the well-fed well-being of Germany is based on cheap skilled labor from Eastern Europe. On pumping out resources from the same Eastern Europe. More favorable conditions for the promotion of their goods and markets. From the closest competitor-Yugoslavia, there were only one flaws.

    Ah, but for God's sake .... we sho, it’s better - who we just do not have guest workers .... but for 200 versts from the capital - it’s scary to watch ..... the Russians drink and curse the authorities, for that that there’s no work, and vodka is expensive .... without making any gestures ..... they don’t look for work, they don’t want anything, you offer money and work - they also swear .... dirt and ruin (Vladimir region, I have a house there). Lazy to put a fence. So in our Russian character - it would be a bit of a German stick and Chinese hard work .... and on the other hand, well, who will defeat the country of such crucifixes? fellow
  16. Baloo_bst
    Baloo_bst 20 May 2014 21: 45
    +4
    Oh, do not remember the Bismarck covenants in the West, but in vain. A clever man foresaw a lot, perfectly understood that Europe does not need a strong Germany. Moreover, Europe does not need a union of Germany and Russia. The presence of such an alliance is the collapse of all English (and its satellite) policies.
    No wonder England did not accept the Euro. Resisted the unification of Germany in the 90s. All the time they put the Germans in the wheel.
  17. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 20 May 2014 21: 53
    +1
    I think in Germany, too, they will understand that without Russia, Europe will only lose, we will see! Ukraine will help in this, I think that awareness of the consequences has come if the United States continues to manipulate the EU.
  18. pvv113
    pvv113 20 May 2014 21: 55
    +6
    While Germany is dancing to the tune of the United States she will never make the right choice
  19. SBC
    SBC 20 May 2014 21: 59
    -1
    Look at the map of the times of the Roman Empire: the tribe is ready (Prussians) - neighbors of the Wends (Russians), so you need to exchange Galicia (Poland) for East Prussia (Russia), and everything will fall into place.
    1. jktu66
      jktu66 20 May 2014 22: 17
      +1
      so that it is necessary to exchange Galicia (Poland) for East Prussia (Russia), and everything will fall into place.
      But we don’t need this!
    2. Barakuda
      Barakuda 20 May 2014 22: 22
      +1
      And who was Attila, the offended Slavic .. German.
    3. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 20 May 2014 23: 11
      +1
      Quote: SBC
      tribe of Goths (Prussians) - neighbors of the Wends (Russians)

      Tribes mingled in a bunch, in their brains, of course, no xp "on. Ost / West-Goths V century AD; Prussians (Greek Βορουσκοί, lat. Borusci) - a Balto-speaking people, in the IX / X centuries; Wends (from the Celtic vindos, which means “white.” By the middle of the 6th century, the Wends were divided into two main groups: Sklavins (Sklavs) and Antes. The Russian superethnos originated somewhere in the 9-10th century AD.
    4. SSR
      SSR 20 May 2014 23: 13
      +1
      Quote: SBC
      Look at the map of the times of the Roman Empire: the tribe is ready (Prussians) - neighbors of the Wends (Russians), so you need to exchange Galicia (Poland) for East Prussia (Russia), and everything will fall into place.

      Look at the map ........ Now it’s hard for me to look for links, I’m on the phone but there’s a map in the Vatican where it says that the founders of Rome migrated to the area of ​​present-day Kiev and those texts that Italians cannot decipher are invited to turn to Slavic letters and worse In addition, the Vatican closed access to these documents and founded Rome according to their own data Etruscans, faded into the territory of present-day Kiev. Something like this was even according to Vesti 24.
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 21 May 2014 04: 23
        0
        Quote: SSR
        and founded Rome according to their own data Etruscans, faded into the territory of present-day Kiev.

        the enemies retreating in fear, shouted - "these are Russians !!", in order to warn others about the impossibility of fighting. and since running away and shouting - it is difficult to pronounce, they could - et Ruski. wink crying
  20. ptitsa6110
    ptitsa6110 20 May 2014 22: 13
    +2
    [quote = Sterlya] The leader in Germany is an obscure hour, lately she is only looking at Monkey's mouth. She is far from both Bismarck and Hitler [/ quo
    the rumor was. WHAT THE Americans HAVE ABOUT WHISE LOOKED FOR SOMETHING, here it is so silk ...
  21. jktu66
    jktu66 20 May 2014 22: 15
    +3
    We have no complaints against Germany, Germany against us. We do not pose a threat to the Germans, even if we wanted to - Germany would be able to protect herself herself. Our economies are mutually complementary (this is not very flattering for us, but it is a fact).
    In Germany, the population has the most significant tendency to approve Russia's position on the situation in Ukraine. Germany, one of the few EU countries that could be a potential ally of Russia. Unfortunately, the enslaving treaties of Germany and the USA will not allow this to happen.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 21 May 2014 01: 33
      0
      Quote: jktu66
      We have no complaints against Germany, Germany against us. We do not pose a threat to the Germans, even if we wanted to - Germany would be able to protect herself herself. Our economies are mutually complementary (this is not very flattering for us, but it is a fact).
      In Germany, the population has the most significant tendency to approve Russia's position on the situation in Ukraine. Germany, one of the few EU countries that could be a potential ally of Russia. Unfortunately, the enslaving treaties of Germany and the USA will not allow this to happen.

      And here the USA gets in the way.
      Yes, Caesar was right, Carthage (USA in its current form) should be destroyed (figuratively).
  22. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 20 May 2014 22: 16
    +2
    And Bismarck warned, and Giler was convinced, but they are all numb! How much more paint do you need to transfer to the arts on the Reichstag, so that the usual unapproachable truths reach today's Europeans - you can live and be friends with us, if, of course, you don’t get into .... winked
  23. ptitsa6110
    ptitsa6110 20 May 2014 22: 16
    -2
    such as squirrels taught oral sex
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 20 May 2014 22: 22
      -2
      Quote: ptitsa6110
      such as squirrels taught oral sex

      But this is interesting wassat
      1. ptitsa6110
        ptitsa6110 20 May 2014 22: 44
        +2
        well there is a special mouthpiece
  24. coolvoldik
    coolvoldik 20 May 2014 22: 22
    +3
    If we remove from the air the useless bazaar of the "ultra right" and "ultra left", then we can say with confidence - no one on the Eurasian continent wants to have a real war. Only the United States is interested in starting a full-scale war in the center of Europe. The emergence of the United States as a superpower was the result of inciting and supporting the Second World War. That they successfully try to do it again.
  25. siberalt
    siberalt 20 May 2014 22: 27
    +1
    So everything is clear about Germany. The main message - there were a lot of these Germanys, a lot of three, but Bismarck came and became one big, but five. laughing Duc, and Rus was no less than germanium in Germany. Only our "Bismarck" started doing this back in the 13th century. His Chingiz Khan is called, again according to the German version. But what does the Mongols have to do with it? Quite local guys figured out how best to settle down. And, in fact, it turned out better than the Germans! laughing Who got the idea from anyone?
  26. Barakuda
    Barakuda 20 May 2014 22: 31
    +1
    Do not go to Russia as much as you can sober up .. Does not reach.
  27. ptitsa6110
    ptitsa6110 20 May 2014 22: 43
    -1
    well there is a special mouthpiece
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 20 May 2014 22: 46
      +2
      Are you a boxer?
      1. ptitsa6110
        ptitsa6110 20 May 2014 22: 54
        +1
        that no it is for squirrels
        although yes, he studied in his youth
        1. Silkway0026
          Silkway0026 21 May 2014 00: 12
          +4
          what did you do ? Belchat taught oral sex?)))
  28. tokin1959
    tokin1959 20 May 2014 22: 44
    +2
    Otto von Bismarck led an independent policy.
    and now in Europe no one has an independent policy.
    American bedding.
    maybe it’s right that they have a master — otherwise they would have split each other 100 times and shot each other.
  29. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 20 May 2014 22: 53
    +2
    I want to believe ... that pragmatism will prevail in relations between Germany and Russia-Do not expect! Http: //topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/489/ygpn356.jpg
    1. SSR
      SSR 20 May 2014 23: 15
      +1
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      I want to believe ... that pragmatism will prevail in relations between Germany and Russia-Do not expect! Http: //topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/489/ygpn356.jpg

      Class! Very cool demotivator)))
  30. Associate Professor
    Associate Professor 20 May 2014 23: 40
    +3
    It’s just that Bismarck knew that Germany was being prepared for a war with Russia, so he bequeathed never to fight with it
  31. wax
    wax 20 May 2014 23: 43
    +1
    Angela Merkel chose the third path - the path of conformism.
  32. Ignatius
    Ignatius 21 May 2014 00: 17
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    Dream a little hunting. The alliance of Germany + Russia + China = the whole world at our feet. And no options!


    More correctly: Germany (west) - Russia (center) - Japan (east) - Iran (south). This is the most correct geopolitical design that will drown the mattress like Atlantis.
  33. Escander_84
    Escander_84 21 May 2014 00: 22
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    You give the strait between Canada and Mexico !!!
  34. Ignatius
    Ignatius 21 May 2014 00: 25
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    [quote = ptitsa6110] [quote = Sterlya] The leader in Germany is quite obscure for an hour, lately she is only looking into Monkey's mouth. She is far from both Bismarck and Hitler [/ quo
    the rumor was. WHAT FOR WHISE DOES THE Americans HAVE FOR SOMETHING, then she is so silk ... [/ quote]

    Not a well-known fact, but after the end of the Second World War and the proclamation of the Federal Republic of Germany, each newly-made chancellor first flies to the States and confirms the enslaving agreements under which the mattresses gave grandmothers according to the Marshall plan for the post-war reconstruction of Germany. Figuratively speaking, there is a circumcision procedure ...
  35. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 21 May 2014 01: 21
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    Germany, like Japan, is now a controlled, controlled state.
  36. Nitarius
    Nitarius 21 May 2014 01: 53
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    More recently, Germany very timidly "suddenly" preoccupied with the question of where is its gold reserve. I wrote about this in the article "How Germany" suddenly "remembered its gold." Where did the gold reserves of Germany turn out to be? I think you guessed it. Its lion's share lies in London and Washington, a little - in Paris.

    Why does modern Germany keep its savings anywhere, but not at home? Because Germany is not a sovereign state today. And just trying to gradually regain its sovereignty from the "friends" of the Anglo-Saxons.
    For those who doubt the correctness of such a statement, the former head of West German military counterintelligence, former NATO general Gerd-Helmut Komossa wrote a book. In his work The German Map, he claims that Germany is not sovereign. And under the contract, the United States ... until 2099.
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      290980 21 May 2014 01: 58
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      More recently, Germany very timidly "suddenly" preoccupied with the question of where is its gold reserve. I wrote about this in the article "How Germany" suddenly "remembered its gold." Where did the gold reserves of Germany turn out to be? I think you guessed it. Its lion's share lies in London and Washington, a little - in Paris.


      37 tons returned last year, this year they continue to return and plan to finish in 2020, infa is not closed, but for some reason it is stubbornly invisible.))))
  37. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 21 May 2014 03: 31
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    Yes, in vain Joseph Vissarionovich in 1945 did not walk to the shores of the English Channel, a completely different song would sound now, sometimes you will regret that there is no time machine.
  38. mamont5
    mamont5 21 May 2014 04: 17
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    "The Hapsburgs did not want to give up dominion over many non-Germans, primarily the Hungarians - and for this they gave up the All-German crown, although they were offered it in 1849!"

    But he didn’t know that. Thanks. Very interesting.

    A very good article based on historical research. A definite plus.
  39. sledge
    sledge 21 May 2014 05: 33
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    When will Germany give a turn to its overseas "friends"? When will they spit on all agreements with the dying Pen.dosia?
  40. sv68
    sv68 21 May 2014 07: 06
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    there is no Bismarck in Germany and is not visible on the horizon, the authorities are still chasing the Nazis, and the Germans are on the third path after the French — bowing to the states. apparently nothing else awaits them except the well-fed slavery of America
  41. Barakuda
    Barakuda 21 May 2014 09: 39
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    Damn Zhirik is not here smile
    I remember his presidential company in the 90th, to destroy Turkey. we will be friends with Germany. India is our friend, a Russian soldier should wash his boots in the Indian Ocean.
    Not far from the truth. Peter 1, he sent regiments, they reached Orenburg, but died .. they turned back.