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Events in the south-east of Ukraine in recent months, and especially in recent weeks, have led many people to wonder: what next? And from the most impatient and radical comes another question: why do we hesitate and do nothing?

From the pages of online publications we get the maximum possible amount of information about the actions of both the fascist junta and the people's militia. The last straw that broke the patience and caused a serious and justified excitement was the speech of the head of the militia Strelkov. Many of this speech, probably watched.

His words addressed to the male part of the population of Donbass, caused me strange feelings. It turns out that in the Donetsk region there are interesting citizens who believe that voting in a referendum for the independence of the region from Ukraine is their right and duty. But the protection, including weapons in the hands, the outcome of state independence is the lot of other citizens. It is desirable from other places of residence. This is an interesting situation.

More than 80% of the population was in favor of independence. And while in the ranks of the military militia there are no 2-3 thousands of local residents. How can this be?

We read reports with a sense of pride and watch shots of captured helicopters and burned-down armored personnel carriers. And we know that this is the work of our hands, more precisely, the Russian volunteers who went to defend the Donbass.

We look with the greatest sympathy on the inhabitants of Kramatorsk and Slavyansk, living under mortar and artillery shelling. But one thought is spinning in my head.

With such a significant military superiority of the Kiev junta, is it really impossible for them to simply wipe this city off the face of the earth? Or are they afraid of something?

After the events in Odessa, where the dead, let them rest in peace, were accused of self-arson, can not the inhabitants of any city be convicted of self-destruction using the Grad system?

In Ukraine, everything is possible.

So why has this not happened yet? But the answer that begs is not very comforting. More precisely, several answers.

The Ukrainian authorities know the true state of affairs in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. Yes, and throughout the Southeast. And the Kiev authorities are very well versed in the mentality of its inhabitants. And they know that the Donetsk guys for "just like that" will not go to war.

Some facts. In recent years, internal affairs officers in the Rostov Region have opened and destroyed hundreds of kilometers of underground pipelines that transport petroleum products to the neighboring Donetsk region. Those. Donetsk region is flooded with formal smugglers.

Okay. Not all smugglers. There are miners. But they are not warriors. They are more like diggers. There are simple lads, about which Strelkov spoke very impartially. But the same is true. People who live in Donetsk are satisfied with everything. They are not burned yet? So why should they be worried!

Ember slowly dug. Left sold. Got money. And then the war! Yes damn she damn, damn! My business will stop! Yes, God forbid, wounded, or even killed!

Why do they need all this? So they sit in huts, with women and with beer. These are our spiritual brothers.

Well, it’s just not appropriate to speak of those who, from morning to night, get pennies for their daily bread.

Who, if anything, will his offspring bring up and raise? That's all the arithmetic with geometry.

It turns out that the presence in the box of Russian TV channels does not provide an instant transition of self-consciousness from one state to another. From lethargy and apathy to the active and self-organized. From pofigizm to patriotism. Well, and so on.

Well, it's all about Russians from Ukraine. And now - about the Russians from Russia.

Probably, the Kremlin has the same amount of knowledge. Probably, and there is the same reasoning.

And what do we want from Putin? So that he will bring his troops into the territory of the neighboring state, which will establish the necessary procedures for us? And the guys will watch it on TV, next to their women and beer? And then again - an established business, and everything is fine? Well, do not, it’s probably Putin.

And that is why today he ordered Shoigu to return the troops to the place of their permanent deployment.

It is unfortunate to say this, but Ukraine is a cut off piece. And if some huge stupidity does not happen on the part of the Kiev troops, or rather, dirty tricks in the form of a crime against the civilian population, then such sluggish hemorrhoids can last for a long time.

But not so much. Because as the enemy begins to master the basics of the counterterrorist operation. And over time, will act more and more decisively and successfully. And in the end, interceptor missiles of our nuclear deterrent forces will appear on the border of Kharkiv and Belgorod regions.

What shall we do then?

Or maybe it is better to leave the guys in Donetsk and Lugansk alone? And do it yourself. After all, wisdom is known: “If you want to do well, do it yourself!”
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  1. Civil
    Civil 20 May 2014 08: 05
    +5
    The drain began, the news from the East of Ukraine was removed from the tops and ribbons ... probably a bad world is better than a good war
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 08: 31
      +21
      Or maybe it is better to leave the guys in Donetsk and Lugansk alone? And do it yourself. After all, wisdom is known: “If you want to do well, do it yourself!”
      in order to do it ourselves, our state should, after Odessa, recognize the Right Sector as a terrorist organization. Recognize KALamoisky and Yarosh as terrorists, break off diplomatic ties with the junta, and this is just a start. What is made of this?
      1. older
        older 20 May 2014 08: 53
        +16
        It’s tough, but true. I understand that now someone will write about 25 or more than thousands of people who have joined the militia and are sitting at home. We’ll expect the type when they give weapons ... but what to expect then? Take the warehouses of the old, but perfectly preserved ... There are PTRs, there are machine guns, cartridges of the sea ...
        In fact, it becomes sad. Odessa has shown what can be done with such people with impunity, and the DNR too ... Besides the video on the phone and the flea market, they don’t need anything ...
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 20 May 2014 09: 10
          +13
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          .Recognize the terrorists KALamoisky and Yarosh,


          Yarosh recognized as a terrorist. And put on the wanted list.

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          break the deep connection with the junta


          This, of course, yes, only who will repay the debts? The junta is just waiting for this. 43 lard is a good gift. How then to pull out all of ours from there, from the girl who was staying with relatives to the journalists?

          And what to do with the European gas contracts that are concluded and which horseradish will be implemented without pipelines in Ukraine? Frozen Europe fuck - easy. But Europe is not only Euro-morons in power. There seem to be enough normal people.

          Not so simple, checker, horse and go.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 12: 03
            +3
            Quote: Banshee

            This, of course, yes, only who will repay the debts?

            Roma, and now who repays debts? And Russia’s habit is to forgive everything.
            Quote: Banshee

            And what to do with the European gas contracts that are concluded and which horseradish will be implemented without pipelines in Ukraine?

            The EU supports the junta, so let it deal with it.
        2. GRune
          GRune 20 May 2014 13: 21
          +1
          According to your depots, the warehouses are abandoned and the doors are open, come in and take weapons ... If that were the case then the weapons would not be there for a long time. In fact, the warehouses are well guarded by armed people in trained positions and mined.
          Therefore, your proposal looks like this, go bare-handed (ass) to the machines and get an exploded warehouse.
          Total: only those people who now have weapons (Strelkov and comrades) can capture warehouses, if they have not done so yet, it’s not so simple ...
          Learn to be honest even with yourself, think if you yourself would go to the armed guard. I guess not ...
          1. sams
            sams 20 May 2014 14: 04
            0
            appeal to Putin

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      2. Blondy
        Blondy 20 May 2014 09: 12
        +8
        Or maybe it is better to leave the guys in Donetsk and Lugansk alone? And do it yourself. After all, wisdom is known: “If you want to do well, do it yourself!”

        Yeah, then at all times we will be satraps and invaders, as in the Baltic states.
        1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
          Mihaylo Tishayshiy 20 May 2014 12: 53
          +5
          Quote: Blondy
          Yeah, then at all times we will be satraps and invaders, as in the Baltic states.

          And now we are for them - who ??? And why do not they worry about who they will now be in our eyes at all times?
          Something I did not notice that the Germans now consider us satraps and occupiers. We must act on the basis of the interests of Russia, and not on the basis of the fact that the offended will yell about us.
          And in the interests of Russia, in my opinion, personally, not by washing, so by skating, to take over the whole of New Russia. And with or without the people's militia - this is the fifth question (or the sixth, or seventh). Like it or not, the people (not only in New Russia), the vast majority are inert mass (we were pushed - we fell, we were lifted - we went), and then you can sculpt anything you like from this mass (for example, real Ukraine )
          And it was naive to wait for the militia to break into herds. Until a loved one is killed, a house is burned, few will take up arms.
          Article - +++.
          1. krpmlws
            krpmlws 20 May 2014 14: 40
            +1
            Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
            Quote: Blondy
            Yeah, then at all times we will be satraps and invaders, as in the Baltic states.

            And now we are for them - who ??? And why do not they worry about who they will now be in our eyes at all times?
            Something I did not notice that the Germans now consider us satraps and occupiers. We must act on the basis of the interests of Russia, and not on the basis of the fact that the offended will yell about us.
            And in the interests of Russia, in my opinion, personally, not by washing, so by skating, to take over the whole of New Russia. And with or without the people's militia - this is the fifth question (or the sixth, or seventh). Like it or not, the people (not only in New Russia), the vast majority are inert mass (we were pushed - we fell, we were lifted - we went), and then you can sculpt anything you like from this mass (for example, real Ukraine )
            And it was naive to wait for the militia to break into herds. Until a loved one is killed, a house is burned, few will take up arms.
            Article - +++.

            I fully support you, I would teach you more advantages. "It is necessary to act in the interests of Russia ..." - quite right. However, I would like to add that the problem with the recruitment of local volunteers is due to the lack of content. The article says about this, but not due importance is attached. Men, for the most part, need to feed their families, they can be understood, this is natural. Young people could go volunteers, but young people in the SE-lost generation grew up with independence, deceived by false propaganda. Young people are the most active part of the population, which can follow an idea, but the older generation of one idea is not enough, material support is necessary. Having solved the issue of financing the army, the problem of recruiting volunteers from the local (those who are 30-40 +) will be largely solved. The only problem is that the new government is likely , is not yet able to establish control over business in the republic, therefore the republic has no funds to create an army. I hope the authorities in Novorossia will make maximum efforts to subordinate business in the republic.
      3. Horst78
        Horst78 20 May 2014 09: 23
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        break the deep connection with the junta

        And what is useful from this. Relations with Georgia were broken, so apart from problems for ordinary people, this did not create anything. Authorities will always be in raspberries. My neighbor is trying to get his mother to Ukraine and then the problem.
      4. dkflbvbh
        dkflbvbh 20 May 2014 16: 24
        0
        Despite all your suggestions (if they are suddenly fulfilled) there is nothing for us to do there. I just read the news: "The Mayor of Donetsk Oleksandr Lukyanchenko said that he would try to negotiate with representatives of the Donetsk People's Republic on holding presidential elections. The official admitted that now the voting is under threat of disruption - 426 out of 127 polling stations are not ready for elections." Who is it to help, which of the two authorities in Donetsk? And here's something even more fresh: "Enterprises of the Donetsk region supported the call for a warning strike, which was made the day before by the Ukrainian billionaire Rinat Akhmetov. The strike, in particular, was joined by the Ilyich Iron and Steel Works and Azovstal, which are part of the Metinvest group." Here's your grandmother and St. George's Day ...
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 20 May 2014 09: 50
      +2
      Quote: Civil
      The drain began, removed the news from the East of Ukraine from tops and ribbons ...

      Since troops have not been deployed, does it mean discharge?
      The referendum took place. Now let the Southeast decide what they need - independence or autonomy. Support goes on many levels: informational, diplomatic and probably of a different order, which are not spread on television.
      1. wax
        wax 20 May 2014 12: 32
        +3
        The Russian Federation is not a people's republic, unlike the PRC. In Donetsk, in fact, an attempt is a pro-socialist transformation, which is doomed to failure. There will be no truth in any way, and the people feel it, therefore it is passive, although it chooses Russia by the call of blood.
        1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
          Mihaylo Tishayshiy 20 May 2014 13: 09
          +1
          Quote: Wax
          In Donetsk, in fact, an attempt is a pro-socialist transformation, which is doomed to failure. There will be no truth in any way, and the people feel it, therefore it is passive, although it chooses Russia by the call of blood.

          That's right!
          Join the ranks of the militia !!! What's the catch? What is the result?
          But in the end, instead of Akhmetov and Poroshenko, Potanin and Vekselberg will come. X .. to x .. change? Yes, even at the cost of his life?
          The author is right, do not rely on the militia. Nobody will advance Russia's interests better than the Russian army, and simultaneously protect the Russians in Novorossia from the Nazis.
    3. Validator
      Validator 20 May 2014 10: 55
      +3
      Quote: Civil
      The drain began, the news from the East of Ukraine was removed from the tops and ribbons ... probably a bad world is better than a good war

      I do not agree. It's just that this is a long party, at least until the fall, when the fluffy northern fox will come to the whole outlying economy. Then there will definitely be no problems with volunteers and Ukrainians in the center and in the west can sober up from hunger. However, if it’s right now to create an army, arrange insurance, a decent allowance and promise veterans of the war of liberation, for example, a house on the seashore, you can solve everything now
    4. Andrey Ulyanovsky
      Andrey Ulyanovsky 20 May 2014 12: 54
      +1
      Civil (3) RU Today, 08:05

      The drain began, the news from the East of Ukraine was removed from the tops and ribbons ... probably a bad world is better than a good war



      Everything is also in 1 place, the journalists are not the same junta already tired of - MANPADS tossed them. I consider Putin's trip to China to be the No. 1 event both in Russia and in the world. And if a tandem really appears, then most of the artificially created organized criminal groups and the West will be able to simply "land with the device "and calmly resolve all issues in Ukraine unequivocally and finally.
    5. Spstas1
      Spstas1 20 May 2014 14: 34
      +1
      In fact, on the contrary, the last hours only talk about Ukraine. And here on the site for the third day already, articles on the South-East theme fill the pages ...
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  3. chinararem
    chinararem 20 May 2014 08: 10
    +8
    Donbass! If not yourself, then who? In Russia, the guys are desperate, you don't have to see who to help. "300 riflemen" - not enough for your edge. Enough "my hut is on the edge", "the whites have come. The reds have come2. You will not be allowed to live with dignity anyway. Already lit up -" slaves ", colorady2, quilted jackets" and so on. There is no turning back.
  4. smel
    smel 20 May 2014 08: 11
    +1
    There can be one conclusion. Regrettably, the Americans have achieved their goal. Russia has lost its ally. Now, at best, the offended brother is nearby. And then it’s just an American hirelings. And even that part of Ukraine, which is overwhelmingly populated by Russians, sits and waits for the manna from heaven. Again, in their opinion, Russia should pay for this manna. Ehhhh. It's time for American villains to shorten their hands.
    1. Predator
      Predator 20 May 2014 08: 33
      0
      If you can’t send troops, then collect a couple of volunteer divisions and directly to Kiev!
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 20 May 2014 10: 46
        0
        Quote: Predator
        If you can’t send troops, then collect a couple of volunteer divisions and directly to Kiev!

        Quote: Blondy
        Yeah, then at all times we will be satraps and invaders, as in the Baltic states.

        And this is only within the country, well, or public education, but what will happen from the outside? Can you imagine?
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 20 May 2014 11: 07
          +1
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          and what will happen from the outside? Can you imagine?

          And what will happen, Dmitry? .. Greetings, by the way hi
          Imagine what happened. Russia guarantees an uninterrupted supply of hydrocarbons, adds agricultural products, guarantees an effective and safe investment of foreign capital in the economy of the new region .. It eliminates the need to build a super bridge in the Crimea! Non-sick, by the way, expenses .. you can think of a lot of things smile Business with business can always agree! It will not suit only the United States.
          I will speak about the article below.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 08: 55
      +20
      Quote: smel
      Russia has lost its ally.

      And when Ukraine was our ally? When did she send her thugs to the Caucasus or in 2008 shooting down our planes?
    3. older
      older 20 May 2014 08: 56
      +16
      Quote: smel
      Russia has lost its ally.

      What ally? In what matters? In the war in Chechnya? Or in the Georgian conflict of the 08 of the year? Or in some kind of political issue?
      Russia is simply drowning a hole in its stomach. It’s too expensive to feed the enemy.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        Roman Skomorokhov 20 May 2014 09: 14
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        When did she send her thugs to the Caucasus or in 2008 shooting down our planes?


        Well, for the sake of justice, I note that the dogs went to Chechnya themselves. Like ours in Slavyansk. And no one sent them.
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 20 May 2014 10: 28
          +6
          Quote: Banshee
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          When did she send her thugs to the Caucasus or in 2008 shooting down our planes?


          Well, for the sake of justice, I note that the dogs went to Chechnya themselves. Like ours in Slavyansk. And no one sent them.

          But the state and then experts sent weapons to Georgia at that time, even urgently removed it from combat duty to protect their own country.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 20 May 2014 16: 33
          0
          Quote: Banshee
          Well, for the sake of justice, I note that the dogs went to Chechnya themselves. Like ours in Slavyansk. And no one sent them.

          Did the missile systems go to Georgia on their own?
  5. Vladimir73
    Vladimir73 20 May 2014 08: 12
    +3
    At least it is written from the heart! good
    Long thought plus or minus, but perhaps a plus!
    Indeed, everything is developing too slowly and is somehow incomprehensible.
  6. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 20 May 2014 08: 13
    +8
    It turns out an interesting movie - do not rush to fight for their freedom, let others fight, but rather Putin will send troops. So the majority is satisfied with the state of things, i.e. Kramatorsk, Odessa, etc. They are waiting for a big roasted cock that will peck ...
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 20 May 2014 11: 17
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      It turns out an interesting movie - do not rush to fight for their freedom, let others fight, but rather Putin will send troops. So the majority is satisfied with the state of things, i.e. Kramatorsk, Odessa, etc. They are waiting for a big roasted cock that will peck ...

      Moreover, when they are forcibly, under the threat of dismissal, the bosses drive them to rallies for "one and indivisible independence", they silently go and no one even gave any such supervisor of the oligarch in the face, threatened to fire him without severance pay together with his master, as accomplices of the junta.
      They grumble, but submit to their bloodsuckers, like cowardly rams in a slaughterhouse.
      They will even go on strike by order of the oligarch, naturally against the "separatists".
  7. MOISEY
    MOISEY 20 May 2014 08: 14
    +6
    I am confident in the inhabitants of Donbas all the same Russian mentality. Yes, many are not doing anything to defend their small homeland from the enemy, but it’s like a spring - it compresses for a long time without response, but the reverse compression will give such an effect that little will not seem to anyone.
  8. mig31
    mig31 20 May 2014 08: 17
    +3
    If someone is looking for an answer - what's next!?, I answer: until we get to the stop, Ukraine will not be a full-fledged state, and everything inferior is limited ...
  9. Strashila
    Strashila 20 May 2014 08: 18
    +5
    “The people living in Donetsk are happy with everything. They haven’t been burned yet? So why should they worry!” ... while coal is coming to the western territories of Ukraine from the east, the juntas sneeze at what is happening there.
    In fact, some sponsor and support the junta with hard work, while others defend the future children of strike breakers.
    The junta will not touch the miners, it needs slaves who will soon cut a coal for a hawker ... Kiev has already announced the refusal of state subsidies and assistance to enterprises.
    To understand the issue ...
    Ukrainian businessman Rinat Akhmetov, owner of System Capital Management, called on his workers in the Donbas to go on a warning strike in support of peace, Ukrainian Pravda reports.
    “This rally will begin tomorrow at noon (13.00 Tuesday) with a beep that will sound at all enterprises of Donbass in support of peace and against bloodshed. And until the world is established, every day at 12.00 (13.00 Moscow time) throughout the Donbass such a beep will be heard, ”Akhmetov said in a statement broadcast by his Ukraina channel.
    The management of the Mariupol mines Metinvest (metallurgical division of System Capital Management) confirmed that they will stop work for three hours every day at noon. “Work in these workshops and units will resume only at 15.00 (16.00 Moscow time),” the Internet portal of Mariupol reports.
    What can I say ... someone is fighting, and someone is trying to use the fruits of this struggle to make money.
  10. Dezinto
    Dezinto 20 May 2014 08: 22
    +12
    And this is a question for western Ukraine ... for heroes. (a little off topic, but leave it here)))
  11. sledge
    sledge 20 May 2014 08: 23
    +6
    Started for health, finished for peace. Well, he himself wrote that they are happy with everything, they are so good. It may sound too pathetic, but then, in 1941, everyone rose from small to great to defend their homeland and independence. rose without reservation for age, without thinking who will feed and raise children in case of what. What now? There is also the question of independence, of life and death.
    The author says: "Maybe it's better to leave the guys in Donetsk and Lugansk alone? And do everything yourself. After all, the wisdom is known:" If you want to do well, do it yourself! "
    Why Russia again? Why climb there? To once again get territory with a discontented population calling Russia an occupier? Get another subsidized region? The southeast wanted independence. They got it by holding a referendum. Now this independence must be defended, to prove to the whole world that they deserve to be independent. IMHO
    1. Aleksandr65
      Aleksandr65 20 May 2014 10: 14
      +9
      in 1941, everything, from small to great, rose to the defense of the Motherland and independence. rose without reservation for age, without thinking who will feed and raise children in case of what.
      And how can you carry such nonsense? Firstly, volunteers in the 41st were 5-7%, the rest were mobilized. And partisans had 0,5% of the population of Ukraine. And, most importantly, the STATE-USSR stood behind them. Which they were in the OFFICIAL service, which paid pensions to widows, crippled, military families and partisans, catch the difference with the Donbass?
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 20 May 2014 11: 48
        -2
        Quote: Aleksandr65
        And, most importantly, the STATE-USSR stood behind them. Which they were in the OFFICIAL service, which paid pensions to widows, crippled, military families and partisans, catch the difference with the Donbass?

        Not only and not so much as the bombing of peaceful cities from the first days of the war. It immediately became clear that this was a death war, and not political, economic, and bandit graters.
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 20 May 2014 13: 11
        +4
        Quote: Aleksandr65
        Yes, and partisans had 0,5% of the population of Ukraine

        By the way, spontaneous partisan detachments appeared in the occupied territories only in 1942. At the beginning of the war, there were "partisans" who were specially left for this by the command, or consisted of the survivors surrounded by soldiers. And they were running low on recruits! These are historical facts ..
  12. erased
    erased 20 May 2014 08: 34
    +13
    On the whole it is true. If, after the murder of people in Odessa, the city continues to sleep, and does not stand up against the bandits, then ... they are equally divided. Two regions allegedly became republics - a formality carried out by enthusiasts and active part of the residents (with the help of volunteers from Russia). I wrote more than a month ago that the east and south of Ukraine are, by and large, indifferent to everything. To wake up the "owner" of the Little Russian land, it is necessary to destroy his house, kill his relatives, and bring himself to zero. Then this "hero" will wake up.
    Of course, it is impossible to abandon the conditionally independent Lugansk and Donetsk, it is necessary to sponsor the game of independence throughout the east of Ukraine, to fan the fire of self-independence. But you can’t climb there.
    And yet - you can’t give up. How Medvedev wanted to do it (the one that is the prime minister). No gas discounts, no debt forgiveness. But! .. These are my wishes, a resident of Russia. But at the top decide in their own way. And as the experience of past decades shows, decisions of the leaders very often go against the wishes of the people.
    By the way, the Ukrainian model is amazingly suitable for us. There are oligarchs, their private armies are almost there (picking is easier than easy). The interests of the oligarchs are above all. The fifth column is united and strong. And if sho - hrenaknet seriously. And the hard workers of the enterprises of the oligarchs in the National Guard will go, and the police will change the owners and extinguish the people, and ordinary people (well, at least half) will fight for the freedom of the country lying on the couch and filming the show on the phone.
    The model of Ukraine is truly amazingly suitable for us. Because in a non-free country, plundered and sold, the true patriots of the homeland are simply nowhere to take.
    My recognition to the CIA strategists who worked in the 40-50s of the 20th century with the strategy of the collapse and destruction of the USSR, which successfully crushes the Russian Federation as well. They worked wonderfully and achieved their goal. And we are reaping the benefits.
    Recently, scientists seem to have found a planet on which there may well be life. The planet is very similar to the Earth in terms of conditions of existence. Who knows, do minibuses go there? Or maybe it's worth it? .. But Schaub without politicians and other "masters of destinies" ...
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 20 May 2014 08: 47
      +2
      Quote: erased
      without politicians and other "masters of fate" ...

      Pre-Glow? Sorry...
  13. Giant thought
    Giant thought 20 May 2014 08: 36
    +6
    Although the Russians are in Ukraine, I don’t want to grasp the Ukrainian essence: I want everything to be free. Here is a symbiosis of worldviews turned out, so these are the results.
  14. Slovek
    Slovek 20 May 2014 08: 37
    +8
    Residents of Ukraine have been brewing for 20 years in the ideology that drove the state of Ukraine to each of its inhabitants.
    There is such a test with a frog, if you throw it in boiling water, it jumps out, if you run it in the input and gradually warm it up, then it will not save itself and will eventually boil.
    Those who voted most likely made their choice, at least the majority, to screw up Kiev. As at one time, Ukraine considered itself the feeding trough of the entire USSR, like we can do it ourselves without you, but you can't do it without us. So the residents voted with a feeling like "fuck you Kiev, not our coal and money, because Donbass feeds all of Ukraine."
    Therefore, passivity and there is no feeling of one people, well, they’re fighting there, and it’s not bad, it does not concern me. As by the way, and in the rest of Ukraine, residents also argue, they are at war, okay, there the bandits mean, and everything is quiet and calm here. And dudes that in uniform are walking around the city and screaming Glory, so they are for Ukraine, it means their own.
  15. Semenov
    Semenov 20 May 2014 08: 39
    +2
    Still bearable. People have not yet matured. The decline in living standards will force to take up the machine.
  16. demotivator
    demotivator 20 May 2014 08: 39
    0
    The development of events in the Donbass is heading in an unpredictable direction, since too many forces are involved in these events, the leaders of these forces are too blinded, and these leaders act in an environment that clearly has gone out of control of everyone. The general impression, which, by the way, encompassed a great many, is that everything goes towards a bloody confrontation between the two Ukraine.
    The matter is aggravated by the huge number of “patriots” and “fighters of couch armies” who, as the author correctly noted, never take up arms, but who crave blood to disperse the boredom of their existence, and which fill the information space with battle cries, exacerbating in every way discord. Nobody points the road to agreement.
    Ukraine was divided into two parts - anti-Russian and pro-Russian - and between these parts the enmity is already in the bloody phase.
  17. mamont5
    mamont5 20 May 2014 08: 42
    0
    "Or maybe it's better to leave the guys in Donetsk and Lugansk alone? And do everything ourselves."

    You can leave alone, but do it yourself is not worth it. If something happens, they will blame us, and not only the EU and the USA (everything is clear with them, Russia is to blame for everything from the very beginning), the same guys who will not be allowed to finalize will blame. So let them bring order to their land. But when there will be at least some kind of power, albeit not recognized, then it is possible to conclude an agreement.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 20 May 2014 09: 17
      +7
      And in any case, they will blame us. The troops were invaded - occupiers, ganba. Not introduced - traitors, shame.

      What's the difference?
      1. vovan50
        vovan50 20 May 2014 10: 27
        +3
        Better to be an invader than a traitor.
    2. Aleksandr65
      Aleksandr65 20 May 2014 10: 19
      +4
      By your logic and in Crimea, people should have been left alone. Already in the Donbass people did much more than Crimeans, and did it themselves, under machine guns and battles. An Crimea-run to port Russia, and the stepsons Dobass and Lugansk-overboard!
  18. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 20 May 2014 08: 47
    +1
    Article plus .. And here I am all hoping for this "Russian harnesses for a long time but drives fast .." The blow must be delivered directly to the den. How all this will be done is still a mystery, but I'm sure that plans are being developed ..
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 20 May 2014 10: 33
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And how all this will be done is a mystery, but I’m sure that plans are being developed ..

      Yes, there are no plans. Everything has long been clear - Putin will not go to further aggravation with the West from Ukraine.
      1. Lukich
        Lukich 20 May 2014 11: 03
        +5
        Quote: Prometey
        Putin will not go to further aggravation with the West from Ukraine.

        and when did GDP stop halfway? In my opinion, everything was always brought to the end. and what is silent so far means so.
  19. volot-voin
    volot-voin 20 May 2014 08: 47
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Or maybe it is better to leave the guys in Donetsk and Lugansk alone? And do it yourself. After all, wisdom is known: “If you want to do well, do it yourself!”

    Few people are willing to fight voluntarily. Probably the wisest thing would be to do everything ourselves, betray South-Ukraine of Ukraine is ugly. After the military operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, repression will begin. And NATO on the borders of the Russian Federation is nothing to us. There is nothing to lose.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 20 May 2014 12: 09
      0
      Quote: volot-voin
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Or maybe it is better to leave the guys in Donetsk and Lugansk alone? And do it yourself. After all, wisdom is known: “If you want to do well, do it yourself!”

      Few people are willing to fight voluntarily ...

      Don't want to volunteer? I suggest that the leadership of the DPR and LPR use the power, since you are an independent Power from Kiev, then carry out at least a partial mobilization of reservists (the lists are probably in the military registration and enlistment offices). And those heads of enterprises who will interfere (threaten with dismissal, etc.), detain also on the bunk (15 days will be enough for the reduction of the brains). I am sure that it will be enough to send just a couple of them to "rest", three such directors and the rest of the "bosses" themselves will send their oligarchs in three letters. By the way, the enterprises of the hard-core supporters of the junta can be nationalized (expropriated as enemies of the people). And the weapons, here we have already talked about this many times, must be taken from those very warehouses, I think this is not such an insoluble problem, even if it is outdated, but serviceable and, most importantly, shooting and there is enough ammunition for it.
    2. Darc
      Darc 20 May 2014 12: 48
      -1
      It is normal, that is, they are too lazy to tear their butts off the sofa for themselves and their families, and our soldiers have to do everything for them? Otherwise we will betray them, it will turn out ugly, but the fact that they disconnected and poured dirt on Russia beautifully? And then they will say well, you captured, now feed? I’m wondering if our troops are withdrawn later to show “the guys themselves, themselves, no one will do anything for you”!
  20. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 20 May 2014 08: 51
    +2
    The Jewish botanion Aliya is ready to stand on the side of the southeast guys, these are sovets soldiers and officers, they need to be given a chance to give their debt to their former homeland, I think they will bring the revival to the situation, their experience is not small, the SS National Guard will have them in sight they will show how to ignore this neglect, and I don’t think that the GDP merges the setument, just the consequences of the drain will be just nightmares for the people of Russia, our security will be in jeopardy, I don’t want my son Ross to be killed under pain, the militia needs a prison for his country take then things will change, let’s take a look!
  21. Auralski
    Auralski 20 May 2014 08: 51
    +2
    Quote: mig31
    If someone is looking for an answer - what's next!?, I answer: until we get to the stop, Ukraine will not be a full-fledged state

    Absolutely right! We will have to learn to defend ourselves again and fight for freedom (or become a slave). This is not done in absentia.
    Russia was also almost merged. No time: too big and nuclear. And then Putin came and began to consolidate society. Lucky.
  22. saag
    saag 20 May 2014 08: 53
    +1
    "And in the end, interceptor missiles of our nuclear deterrent forces will appear on the border of the Kharkov and Belgorod regions."
    They ran into this, and if they appear near Kiev, will it be much easier?
    1. asar
      asar 20 May 2014 09: 58
      +1
      Nuclear weapons of the West may appear in dill sooner or later! And where it will be located - near Kiev, near Lvov, in Zhitomir or somewhere else, it will not be important for Russia! The main thing is that it will be there! But what the "rulers" of dill will think about in this case (dill will automatically fall under a retaliatory nuclear strike from Russia) I do not understand! I know only one thing - Kiev does not think with its head, they have a "thinker", forgive me, "what's lower back"!
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 20 May 2014 12: 11
      0
      Quote: saag
      "And in the end, interceptor missiles of our nuclear deterrent forces will appear on the border of the Kharkov and Belgorod regions."
      They ran into this, and if they appear near Kiev, will it be much easier?

      Yes, even under Ternopol or even Kishenev, we do not need them anywhere!
  23. sergej591910
    sergej591910 20 May 2014 08: 58
    +5
    So I wrote about the same thing more than once !!! People!!!! I DO NOT SEE THE DESIRE FOR YOURSELF !!! It is not possible to cure an alcoholic without his sincere desire (I apologize for such a comparison)! It is not possible to instill democracy in those who do not want it! It is not possible to help people who do not want this !!! Here I have a question for the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk: suppose that tomorrow Putin will send troops from Shoigu, for example, the day after tomorrow (maybe 2-3 days later), some secrets will be removed from the fields of Donetsk and Lugansk. Do you guarantee that you will not shout about the Russian occupiers? Do you guarantee that the portion of your population sitting at home will not come out to stop the convoy of troops of the Russian Federation? Slavs, kindly ask, no offense: deal with your countrymen. Will there be at least one resident of the DPR and LPR who can confidently say that ALL of his friends (colleagues, acquaintances) (and acquaintances of acquaintances) with weapons in their hands on the barricades? Here's the keyword: EVERYTHING !!!
    But living with the words: "Again the power is changing ..." will not work ... Now we need to clearly define: for or against! I repeat: a referendum is a referendum, and a real patriot is not the one who speaks about love for the motherland, but silently does his job for the good of this very motherland ...
    Think, Slavs ... I sincerely worry about you ...
    1. Zverboy
      Zverboy 20 May 2014 16: 09
      +1
      And it is necessary to introduce, only it is necessary to start from Kiev, the Dnieper, Kharkov immediately by landing. Capture the supreme parliament with deputies and party leaders. Do not give time to think, disconnect ukroSMI. If the columns go then fools stop throwing themselves under the wheels.
  24. Turkestan
    Turkestan 20 May 2014 09: 00
    +5
    After reading the article, if we agree with the text of the article, do you have questions? HOW TO BE WITH SOUTHEAST REBELS? how to be the people who supported the southeast in a referendum?

    There are answers to these questions. To date, the power in this region is with the rebels, it must be kept by ALL EXISTING FORCES in the size of the borders of the SOUTH EAST. In parallel, forming all the authorities and taking the entire infrastructure of the REGION under TIGHT CONTROL. At the same time, special attention should be paid to the ECONOMICS AND POWER STRUCTURES of the region. Everything needs MONEY, it is necessary to look for both state structures and private ones ready to support the FINANCE region. In order to maintain the status quo in the region, it is imperative to conduct a general mobilization into the power structure using not only the methods of propaganda but conviction. CENTRALIZATION OF AUTHORITY in the rebellious regions is imperative, otherwise they will tear to pieces. Internal resources in this region for the confrontation of the Nazis abound. Only one organization, organization, and organization again is missing.
  25. Arkan
    Arkan 20 May 2014 09: 01
    +1
    Indeed, wisdom is known: “If you want to do well, do it yourself!”


    True statement. Only if we do this, it will be purely for ourselves, and those who watch it on TV will adapt to us and nothing else.
  26. ururu
    ururu 20 May 2014 09: 05
    +2
    minus. sluggish patriotism in my opinion is the last item on the list of non-entry of troops. And I do not agree with nuclear interceptors, everything is not so scary as it seems. More recently, the Amerkosa managed to not even take a stray missile on the target, after which several resignations overseas followed. The United States is defeated on all fronts, and not the deployment of Russian troops as well.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 20 May 2014 12: 22
      0
      Quote: ururu
      ... Yes, I do not agree with nuclear interceptors, everything is not so scary as it seems. More recently, the Amerkosa managed to not even take a stray missile on target ...

      Do you really believe our rocket "got lost by accident"? An elementary test of the missile defense penetration system of a potential enemy. As a recent test of "Khibiny" on the experimental duckling "Donald ...".
  27. m_o_r_o
    m_o_r_o 20 May 2014 09: 11
    +6
    "Seeing the battle from the outside, everyone imagines himself a strategist" K. Prutkov
    Do you want to quickly - so help realistically, otherwise clave stomp and clever with a glass of beer on the couch is easier
    1. K-36
      K-36 20 May 2014 10: 55
      0
      Citizen m_o_r_o, tell me, pliz, a link to the Translator that you used, stomping Claudia and having a glass of beer on the couch.
      Shota Rustaveli translate as K.Prutkov?!? what
      Is it not in Ukraine that such Translators are released to the publishing house? am
  28. Klim2011
    Klim2011 20 May 2014 09: 22
    0
    The game is not over, and in the end, everything will be decided by finances.
    Ukraine as a whole is a subsidized state with a strong dependence on external players. Europe is not eager to invest money because: general corruption, theft, nepotism, tech. Backwardness, political instability and so on. The EU lacks its own cripples: Greece, Spain, Italy.
    Whoever receives this "prize" (Ukraine) now will bear the main costs, + the seeds of political turmoil in the SE.
    Russia's position should now be purely economic: Medvedev has already stated that gas discounts are possible, but where is the counter-demand - water to the Crimea?
    Neither any fuss, nor the introduction of troops and tank wedges to Kiev, is necessary.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 20 May 2014 12: 36
      0
      Quote: Klim2011
      The game is not over, and in the end, everything will be decided by finances.
      Ukraine as a whole is a subsidized state with a strong dependence on external players ....
      Russia's position should now be purely economic: Medvedev has already stated that gas discounts are possible, but where is the counter-demand - water to the Crimea?
      Neither any fuss, nor the introduction of troops and tank wedges to Kiev, is necessary.

      By the way, our conditions for granting discounts can be: unblocking Crimea, including water, Transnistria and Slavyansk, the withdrawal of punitive forces, including the National Guard and PS from the DNI and LC, etc. etc., the more conditions Kiev impostors fulfill, the more gas discounts will be for them, I think something like that.
  29. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 20 May 2014 09: 30
    +3
    Until it rises all people southeast, things will not be.
  30. Tulip
    Tulip 20 May 2014 09: 44
    +1
    Since the local population is so passive, then they themselves will not restore their lives, but they will run to us with an outstretched hand and a cry "Give". Only economically we will not be able to pull them without significant damage to ourselves, we will not be able to, half of our reserve was taken by Crimea, but Crimea is force majeure. Result: discontent of the local population and banditization of the territory. And do we need it?
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 20 May 2014 12: 38
      0
      Quote: Tulip
      Since the local population is so passive, then they themselves will not restore their lives, but they will run to us with an outstretched hand and a cry "Give". Only economically we will not be able to pull them without significant damage to ourselves, we will not be able to, half of our reserve was taken by Crimea, but Crimea is force majeure. Result: discontent of the local population and banditization of the territory. And do we need it?

      Katz offers to surrender?
  31. Hort
    Hort 20 May 2014 09: 52
    +2
    And do it yourself. Indeed, wisdom is known: “If you want to do well, do it yourself!”

    No, we don’t need it ourselves. If the population is not particularly keen on fighting, then they are happy with everything. And the next accusations of occupation and strangulation of Russian freedom in FIG are not needed.
    Do you want to quickly - so help realistically, otherwise clave stomp and clever with a glass of beer on the couch is easier
    Yes, nobody is clever. So, on a jump, from Russia, if you want, you can come, well, even 200 thousand volunteers (both experienced and inexperienced - no difference), with equipment, medicines and even weapons. Actually, even in the absence of a corridor for passage to the territory of the DPR, they can "seep". BUT! If the local population itself does not seek to offer serious resistance to the Kiev troops, it means that in general the situation suits them and they do not consider it necessary to defend their rights with arms in hand. And "strelkovtsy" in this case, it is easier to organize a corridor to Crimea or to Russia, if they have a very difficult time.
  32. bulvas
    bulvas 20 May 2014 09: 55
    +3
    Will have to act in Ukraine by the methods of the CIA. Conduct propaganda, create non-profit organizations, engage in subversive activities, prepare their Maidan, support the forces of Russian supporters
    1. halg
      halg 20 May 2014 10: 25
      0
      But there will be some nuances. Dill with the acquisition of "Square" immediately fell under the amers. And ANY Ukrainian government did not prevent them from conducting subversive work. Does anyone really think that they will allow the creation of pro-Russian organizations. (they have been crushed since 92)
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 20 May 2014 12: 42
      0
      Quote: bulvas
      Will have to act in Ukraine by the methods of the CIA. Conduct propaganda, create non-profit organizations, engage in subversive activities, prepare their Maidan, support the forces of Russian supporters

      It has long been necessary, and it will be necessary for a long time, but now only this is not enough, alas ...
  33. Karabin
    Karabin 20 May 2014 09: 55
    +6
    Let's figure it out!

    What is now in Kiev and what will happen after 25 is definitely anti-Russian. Hope for something else is stupid, even if Yulia gnaws at Poroshenko. I think they will quickly put her in place. We get a state recognized by the EU and the states and controlled by them, with the tacit consent of the rest. Even without South-East this is without a doubt the geopolitical success of our "partners". Now about the SE, or rather Novorossiya. At the moment, all of these regions are more or less controlled by the junta, except for Donetsk and Lugansk. After the elections, and they will undoubtedly take place, including in Kharkiv, Odessa and further along the south-east, excluding the DPR and LPR, our "Western friends" will support Kiev in establishing "constitutional order" with finances, weapons, advisers and PMCs. Who will support Donbass? Who supports him now, except for the "300 riflemen"? I agree with Strelkov's indignation at the passivity of the Donetsk Russians. But with the unequivocal support of official Russia, there would be much more active people. And it just does not exist, rather the opposite. The Kremlin's desire to postpone the referendum to "create conditions for dialogue with Kiev" has definitely not added optimism to the militia, and "respectful attitude" to the expression of will in the referendum is far from being recognized. Nobody is talking about the reunification of the "Russian Lands". And this is after two decades of Russian oblivion in Ukraine and seven decades of mild Ukrainization. Moral support from below is only on the Internet, mixed with accusations of apathy. Prosecutors, try to put yourself in the shoes of the Donetsk and Luhansk Russians, let alone those who consider themselves Ukrainians. Be honest, not many of you would run to the outposts. In this situation, I consider active and effective intervention of Russia the only correct way out. Unambiguous political support for Donetsk and Lugansk. The course for the reunification of the DPR and LPR with Russia in the near future. Help with aviation, special forces, advisers and volunteers. Work throughout Novorossia with pro-Russian forces. Vmerla Ukraine. After a serious long illness. Ukraine is born, a state hostile to Russia and the Russians. And the smaller and more land it will be, the better. The reunification in the next year, two Novorossiya with Russia will testify that Russia is a Great Power. Otherwise, we don't even pull the regional one.
    1. sergej591910
      sergej591910 20 May 2014 10: 21
      +1
      Be honest, not many of you would run to the checkpoints.

      I would take up arms for my city! My job is to get up with a weapon ... Yes, even if I was unemployed, I would still get up ... Understand, you will not be released alive !!! You will not be forgiven for this demarche !!! The DPR and LPR have 2 options: either now die on the barricades, or later, but in the "House of Trade Unions" ...
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 20 May 2014 11: 11
      +5
      Quote: Karabin
      Aviation assistance

      What is it like? send aviation to bomb the national guard? so this is a war. what the geyropa and sasha expects from us
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 20 May 2014 13: 30
        0
        Quote: Lukich
        so this is a war.

        Well, remember Yugoslavia .. This was not a war! "Spot airstrikes" ..
    3. avia1991
      avia1991 20 May 2014 13: 27
      +2
      Quote: Karabin
      In this situation, I consider the active and effective intervention of Russia to be the only right way out. Unambiguous political support for Donetsk and Lugansk. The course for the reunification of the DPR and LPR with Russia in the near future. Assistance by aviation, special forces, advisers and volunteers.

      Respect! In fact, it was not worthwhile to arrange a demonstrative receipt of permission for the introduction of troops, calls for "defending the Russians everywhere!", And then so silently observe. I understand that the issue is extremely difficult and painful, but by non-intervention we will lose more than we will achieve, IMHO. We are all looking forward to the reaction, thinking that silence is meaningful. But it can be ... confused, forced, indifferent? Who knows what it really is? Not a single power in history was sincerely ill about the welfare of the people, to the detriment of its own interests.
    4. Elle-elle
      Elle-elle 20 May 2014 15: 07
      0
      Touched! So accurately express in words what literally has become painful in recent months - to the author of the post MANY BENEFITS!
  34. gmasterbit
    gmasterbit 20 May 2014 10: 03
    +3
    as you all don’t understand, we don’t know even one percent of the real situation, the real reasons and goals of what is happening. And in this case, you need to worry about ukrov at the very last. They will adapt to any government. First of all, it’s the interest of our state, and this is up to the president
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 20 May 2014 11: 59
      +2
      Quote: gmasterbit
      and in this case, you need to worry about ukrov at the very last

      Yes, no to Yu_V ukrov. There are Russians and Ukrainians. And they do not want to be in Ukraine.
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 20 May 2014 12: 46
      +2
      Quote: gmasterbit
      as you all don’t understand, we don’t know even one percent of the real situation, the real reasons and goals of what is happening. And in this case, you need to worry about ukrov at the very last. They will adapt to any government. First of all, it’s the interest of our state, and this is up to the president

      Of course, the president will decide, but our opinion, in my opinion, is not unimportant.
  35. Gexzloy
    Gexzloy 20 May 2014 10: 11
    0
    Quote: smel
    There can be one conclusion. Regrettably, the Americans have achieved their goal. Russia has lost its ally. Now near is at best offended brother

    Indeed, taking the Crimea you certainly pursued your goals, but trampled all trust. You can say that Ukraine benefits you, we can say the same thing, centuries-old ties are easy to destroy, it is difficult to tie them back. You can say that Russia is a great country, I agree, there is something to remember and something to be proud of, but you are left alone against the whole world. China is a terrible ally, only Russia will let the slack gobble up and not choke.

    As the authors of articles on this portal twist everything, add non-existent facts, distort reality. The purpose of most articles here is to provoke or already approve hatred of Ukrainians. Not a single sentence with an objective assessment, all in one gate. I haven’t read so many lies anywhere.
    I am a Ukrainian, in my opinion not a Bandera, I grew up in the USSR, before the situation with the Crimea, I completely wanted to work with Russians, although scammers come across but it is easier to solve issues than with Europeans. After the Crimea, we are poisoned and poisoned by each other, okay, this is profitable, but why should we pit us against Russians? What are we striving for? You don’t need to mind a lot of each other’s forum, ask a question: what will be the final situation? With such a policy, it’s gouging Ukraine, economically driven Russia, and China with the horses on horseback!
    I’ll suppose that some of you are young and hot, love Russia sincerely and you have been taught that Ukraine is an appendage of ever-stealing gas, but I’m sure there are also adults brought up by the USSR who must understand that in this world everyone is for himself, for the economic effect of the country temporarily united in alliances, such as the EU, but you and I have not only an economic effect, but a common language, culture, mentality, history, our grandfathers beat Germans together, and they did not divide them into chocks, Ukrainians, and her.
    Even if we are stubbornly unlucky with power, even if someone else zombies us, why do so shit in our hearts, no one asks you for money, but a normal word would be enough.
    1. sergej591910
      sergej591910 20 May 2014 10: 29
      +4
      So you bring this information to your fellow countrymen! That the Germans were beaten together, we have everything in common, etc. ... I have nothing against the Ukrainians! Against peaceful Ukrainians, but guys, you can’t allow such a mess ... It's ridiculous, my relatives live in the Dnipropetrovsk region, the city of Pershotravensk. They presented to us that during the Maidan WE do not help them ... I asked: how to help: send money? Ammo? It's hard for you - come, we will always accept !!! And their answer: how do we drop everything? car, garage, cottage ... Yes, and now we are resting in the resort ... But you do not help us ...
      And how do you (Ukrainians) understand? You tell us about unity, and look out the window yourself ...
    2. Slavs
      Slavs 20 May 2014 11: 11
      +1
      The style of the trolls has changed, I already noted this in the comments ... there used to be a radical youngster with slogans about a putler, now "just Ukrainians" with balanced and well-grounded comments ... The style of commentary is very similar to rolik2 ... One person writes? The purpose of the articles on this site is completely different, about hatred you are in vain ... This is more of a claim to Kiev ... And if it were not for "taking Crimea" with your little consent, people would be burned there too ...
    3. Darc
      Darc 20 May 2014 13: 15
      0
      Well, in general, the Crimea left ITSELF, at first the people came out ALL not hundreds and thousands of millions, but practically all, and then our troops entered to maintain order, with the full assistance of the population, mind you. As for hatred, except for the Banderaites, I did not notice hatred for Ukrainians, rather sympathy and bewilderment "why are we sitting, they are killing you." Yes, and to your troops, the attitude is ambiguous, until they attack the civilian population, rather sympathetic, but if they attack ... I think the soldiers shooting at their own civilians around the world cause the same feelings.
    4. demo
      20 May 2014 13: 20
      0
      GexZloy must be put off cutlets separately, and flies separately. All the events that you list have a place to be, but with one caveat: Crimea was not taken by the Russian people, but by the leadership of the Russian Federation, gas is not stolen by ordinary Ukrainians, but by the leaders of gas structures in Ukraine.
      But people were burned not by leaders, but ordinary Ukrainians. And help in the DPR is rendered not by the state structures of Russia, but by ordinary citizens. The hatred you are talking about has a place in the official language of Kiev bandits. But the attitude to their rhetoric - both official and purely human - is consolidated in the Russian Federation.
      Such a mishmash of mutually exclusive processes, events, and deeds did not have to be observed anywhere.
      And precisely because we are Russians and Ukrainians from the same root.
      Many will correct me for mentioning the word Ukrainian.
      It's easier for us Russians. You cannot multiply us by "0". But what about an ordinary Ukrainian if tomorrow he is told that there is no such nation, but there are Russians who have gone astray?
      Here is a simple human question.
      Anyone can imagine themselves in this situation.
      Example.
      Yesterday everyone called you Kolya. And you yourself knew that.
      And tomorrow they’ll tell you that you’re Sasha.
      And do not argue!
      Here is the hochmochka!
      And further.
      It is precisely because you and I from the same root consider it possible to state directly what I think about you. I allow you to do the same with respect to me.
      You need to breed diplomacy and politeness with those who are of interest to you, but you are not a soul mate with him.
      I'm right?
  36. terrible
    terrible 20 May 2014 10: 18
    0
    I will buy a Ukrainian. citizenship. suggestions in PM.
  37. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 20 May 2014 10: 19
    +1
    Quote: Sanya
    It may sound too pathetic, but then, in 1941, everyone rose from small to great to defend their homeland and independence. rose without reservation for age, without thinking who will feed and raise children in case of what. What now? There is also the question of independence, of life and death.


    But only in Ukraine not everyone came up, mobilized from Ukraine by thousands of deserted and scattered through the forests, from whom, in your opinion, the SS division of Galichin was formed, from which punitive detachments were gathered that atrocized and burned whole villages alive in Russia and Belarus. Remember Khatyn, there the Germans were cordoned off around the village, although after the war they were accused that they burned people alive, I do not justify them, they are to blame. After the war, to hide this fact of the participation of Ukrainian punishers in the massacre of the villagers, so as not to incite hostility between the fraternal peoples, the leaders of the republics agreed that the Germans would be guilty of burning people.
  38. X Y Z
    X Y Z 20 May 2014 10: 22
    0
    The author correctly identified the problem - even if the locals do not want to fight for their future, we will have to do this for geopolitical reasons. They can afford defeat, agree in one way or another, on certain conditions, but we do not. The only loophole is to seek non-aligned status of Ukraine. But still they perfectly understand the ephemeral nature of this venture. Today, international treaties are just beautiful pieces of paper in elegant folders that you can forget about a moment after signing. So the choice between Scylla and Charybdis still did not disappear from Russia.
  39. Prutkov
    Prutkov 20 May 2014 10: 47
    0
    Quote: saag
    "And in the end, interceptor missiles of our nuclear deterrent forces will appear on the border of the Kharkov and Belgorod regions."
    They ran into this, and if they appear near Kiev, will it be much easier?

    They will not be able to appear near Kiev, tk. NATO does not accept into its organization countries that have unresolved territorial disputes with their neighbors. And as long as Ukraine, and likewise Georgia, sing songs about the "occupied territories", they will not get into NATO. And Russia needs a buffer in the form of the DPR in any case. This is a question of Russia's survival as an independent state.
  40. Prutkov
    Prutkov 20 May 2014 10: 54
    +2
    I think that Russia can begin to hit the enemy with its own weapons - international courts. Why not help people affected by the bombing and shelling of the Ukrainian army in filing applications to the European Court of Human Rights. The use of heavy artillery and aviation, which only the Ukrainian Armed Forces have, against the civilian population is a war crime. Moreover, Ukraine recognized the primacy of international laws over its own. Most ordinary people will not be able to draw up applications to the ECHR on their own. And so, the ECHR will have work for many decades. Yes, and a breakthrough in the information blockade.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 20 May 2014 12: 03
      0
      Quote: Rods
      I think that Russia can begin to hit the enemy with its own weapons - international courts.

      From such weapons - just shoot yourself.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 20 May 2014 13: 36
        +1
        Quote: Karabin
        From such weapons - just shoot yourself.

        Well, it's you in vain. In parallel, a very useful tool! Poke geyropu nose into their own laws laughing
  41. Sultan
    Sultan 20 May 2014 11: 00
    0
    It seems to me that this is a tactical move by Comrade Strelkov, aimed at lulling the vigilance of the enemy, that is, the Kiev would-be authorities ... In my opinion, a big provocation is being prepared, enticing the enemy into a trap, followed by encirclement and in one fell swoop depriving Kiev - the support of your bloody regime ... And for one and new sparrows from "black water" to take as speaking languages ​​... So, do not panic!
  42. EvilLion
    EvilLion 20 May 2014 11: 06
    +1
    Does the author seriously believe that it is possible to build a real combat-ready army without conscription? Well, good luck, the vast majority of soldiers in the Second World War were not volunteers either.
  43. ks
    ks 20 May 2014 11: 16
    -1
    Strelkov himself does not understand what he is carrying. He called himself the boss to organize and manage, and there will always be fidgets for passionaries, and what would you personally do on the site of these hard workers? Who will send them a cookie? But from the shooter the head hurts, and you don’t need to do robinguds from the Russian volunteers, for them the war itself is life, well, you can’t get into the mine.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 20 May 2014 14: 29
      0
      Until there is no appeal, he cannot "organize" anyone.
  44. Gexzloy
    Gexzloy 20 May 2014 11: 20
    +1
    Quote: sergej591910
    I have nothing against Ukrainians!

    Personally, you are possible, and after reading the reviews it’s just creepy how easy it is to trample someone in the mud and so it’s bad.

    Quote: sergej591910
    And how do you (Ukrainians) understand? You tell us about unity, and look out the window yourself ...

    How many people have so many opinions. It’s not worth helping, because a military conflict will turn out and then we won’t rake it. The situation in the southeast is an echo of the Crimea, that’s what help came out. We can talk a lot about the fact that the Crimea is Russian, maybe so, but the capture of the Crimea immediately after the Maidan led to such consequences. People are already blowing their heads, no one will understand where to run for what to grab, and everyone sees that the country is bursting at the seams. The situation is such that it would not be done now, it will only get worse, it is best not to do anything, or rather to agree.

    Quote: A1L9E4K9S
    But only in Ukraine not everyone rose, mobilized from Ukraine by thousands of deserted and scattered through the forests,

    Every 5th hero of the Union Owls is Ukrainian. Maybe someone ran through the woods, it was caused by Stalin's hatred of dispossessed Ukrainians, plus he poisoned them twice with hunger, the whole crop left for the north and we died here. But with all this, most Ukrainians fought, and fought well, and Putin’s phrase that the war would have won without the Ukrainians is absurd and offends our grandfathers. When there was a battle for Moscow and for every battalion counting for Stalingrad, both battles in the balance won.


    Quote: A1L9E4K9S
    from whom do you think the SS division of Galichin was formed, from whom punitive detachments were recruited that atrocized and burned whole villages alive in Russia and Belarus

    SS Galich, in terms of the number of fighters, can not be compared with the army of Vlasov, so there were plenty of traitors and shit everywhere.

    Quote: XYZ
    we will have to do this for geopolitical reasons.

    this is already being done, the beginning was in the Crimea.

    Quote: Rods
    A buffer in the form of the DPR of Russia is needed anyway. This is a question of the survival of Russia as an independent state

    The buffer was, is and will be Ukraine as a whole, we are like laying between the West and Russia, and this situation will never give us anything good.
  45. timur73
    timur73 20 May 2014 11: 30
    +1
    It is categorically impossible and unacceptable to divide and judge people on a national basis, all people are different and are bad and good, and bold and cowardly and smart and stupid in any, absolutely any nationality. And you shouldn’t speak for everyone. But the main thing is that freedom must be earned, freedom must be fought and defended. I think the DNR LNR guys understand this, and it is necessary to fight not only by military operations, but also by persuasion, propaganda among their own, so among the enemies, though it will always come out.
  46. Prutkov
    Prutkov 20 May 2014 11: 34
    +3
    The position of some surprises me. Everyone agrees, yes, and Nuland confirmed that she has invested 23 billion green candy wrappers in the Nezalezhna Ukrina project over the past 5 years. Russia, however, did not pursue its policy not among the Ukrgols. For which he reaps the corresponding fruits. Therefore, it is necessary to save what can still be saved. And the Akhmetovs need to speak. He has many interests in Crimea (Krymtelekom, Kramenergo, etc.).
  47. avia1991
    avia1991 20 May 2014 11: 38
    +3
    On this topic I have already spoken out, yesterday or the day before yesterday what
    There was an article on "VM", "Council to Russians in Russia from Russians in Ukraine", and in it, with all the slogans and indignation, one remarkable thought was expressed: the active part of the population is 5-7%. As these percentages decide, the rest will live!
    All of us - immigrants from the USSR - were taught to take a passive position in the life of society, since the party carefully watched so that the people did not need to think about what would happen tomorrow - special people were appointed for this. We voted in unanimity "for" on all the previously written points of various resolutions, experiencing false feelings of our own participation in the fate of the country. And Ukraine was a part of the Union, and the innate "khata on the edge" and "graby to sebe" was wonderfully combined with the policy of power!
    When the Union collapsed, the new government began to intensively explain to them that they could not fully implement the principles indicated above due to pressure from Russia and the Communist Party. Naturally, no one remembered that a bunch of "khokh.lov" were sitting at the top. So, taking into account the historical prerequisites, it was not difficult to form a negative attitude among the same Westerners! And as a result of the imposition of competent propaganda of Russophobia on the historically inculcated passivity of a life position, we have what we see. I wouldn't be surprised if someone thinks there: well, it's Russia to blame that everything is so shitty with us - let it come and correct it! We voted .. FOR THESE PEOPLE VOTING AT THE REFERENDUM WAS AN EXPLOSION! In addition to jokes, the fact that they came and voted in such numbers is amazing!
    So, ending the protracted comment, I want to summarize as follows:
    It’s really easier for us to take the initiative in our own hands and put things in order - as Russia needs! And the overwhelming majority of the population will stupidly take the new government for granted: they need a salary and pension, work, and the ability to "steal" in little things, to increase their self-esteem. And radically-minded PSs and others - there are not so many of them, in fact. Especially in comparison with a radically minded country at our side!

    To your friendly court, gentlemen! (Ah, sorry - AND LADIES!) hi
  48. Lukich
    Lukich 20 May 2014 11: 39
    +6
    Quote: GexZloy
    SS Galich, in terms of the number of fighters, can not be compared with the army of Vlasov, so there were plenty of traitors and shit everywhere.

    but from this place in more detail. who were more and who are less? and where do we have Vlasov’s monuments?
    Quote: GexZloy
    The buffer was, is and will be Ukraine as a whole, we are like laying between the West and Russia, and this situation will never give us anything good.

    Is this the same buffer that has been torn in NATO for 23 years? good buffer, you can’t say anything, ov tanks to our borders
  49. Gexzloy
    Gexzloy 20 May 2014 11: 46
    0
    Quote: Slavs
    The comment style is very similar to rolik2

    If you're about me, then I'm on my own.

    Quote: Slavs
    about hatred you in vain ... It is rather a claim to Kiev ...

    Do you think the authorities are reading here? Simple Ukrainians read here in order to consider all points of view, since trust in their media is also doubtful. But I see only obsyron, of course I will survive, but it’s banal insulting.

    Quote: Sultan
    In my opinion, a big provocation is being prepared, enticing the enemy into a trap, followed by encirclement and in one fell swoop depriving the most "battle-worthy" of Kiev from the support of its bloody regime ... ..So, don't panic!

    You’ll even find positive in the dung heap.
    1. Vitaly11
      Vitaly11 20 May 2014 13: 56
      0
      HA! and where is the reliable information from people eating garbage from the Internet, like this draining article. Today, after XNUMX hours, the replacement went to Babai to enroll in the militia, while he was waiting for Babay to wake up, more people came up ... signed up and dispersed before the call on demand. but you try to say this to the couch warriors from behind the hillock, they will peck you, because it read some article in which it says another "their hut is on the edge"
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 20 May 2014 14: 31
        0
        Quote: Vitaliy11
        Today the changer walked after a day

        What are you saying ?! Really? !!
        But I have a different infa, it's not Babay who deals with recruiters there. And how was your "changer" going to fight in the militia? Between work and garden?
        1. Vitaly11
          Vitaly11 20 May 2014 16: 03
          0
          two options were proposed, one of which was dismissal from work and the transition to a barracks position ... and you can leave your info where it belongs ...
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 20 May 2014 22: 30
            0
            I know the person who provided the information personally, and I trust his words. And I know for sure that he is in the militia! So ... - do not toss the bags. By the way, if your friend had to wait until Babai wakes up, it means that he had reasons to sleep. You’ll fight a little - you will understand for yourself. Good luck!
  50. Aleksandr65
    Aleksandr65 20 May 2014 11: 53
    +5
    How can you throw your own?
    Absolutely the same people as in the Rostov, Belgorod, Kursk regions? Few defended them? And in the Rostov, Belgorod, Kursk regions, in Moscow, in the end, in a similar situation, would there be more? No, of course, be honest! The Donetsk and Luhansk citizens made a civil feat, having gone to a referendum. Remember, where, when, in which country it was still like that, so MILLIONS of people in conditions of wild state propaganda and violence, the confrontation of the entire state machine, under the bullets of the Nazis, openly and with passports went in defiance of their state? They trusted Russia because there was a referendum in Crimea and it was saved by Russia. And they hoped for salvation, having done much more than the gentle Crimeans. Russia, however, did not even recognize the results ... It is understandable, pressure, it is understandable, huge losses in the economy, "politics is the art of the possible" ... But - imagine what will now happen to these millions of voters! When they destroy the Russian symbol-Slavyansk-you say that they are themselves to blame ?! And it is not necessary about the Second World War - "everything as one", etc. There was no "all" and "as one". There were only 5% of volunteers (95% were mobilized), and the partisans included as much as 0,5% of the population of the Ruins (and this with the most powerful support of the state!) - the rest simply survived. East is Matrosov, Kozhedub, Kovpak, "Young Guard" - and Russia does not need all this because of possible problems ?! Then she does not need the absolutely unprofitable Non-Black Earth Region, the Amur Territory, etc., also some problems and losses! Leave only the pipe and its servants ...
    It was not necessary to annex Crimea. With this attitude to the East. Well, there would be a Sevastopol Katyn, so what? Odessa was swallowed ...
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 20 May 2014 16: 47
      -1
      Quote: Aleksandr65
      because there was a referendum in Crimea and it was saved by Russia.

      In Crimea, there was a referendum on joining Russia. The referendum in the Donbass on independence, what can Russia do if the people want to be independent?