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In Kramatorsk, the soldiers of the National Guard shot colleagues

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According to RIA "News", a press secretary of the "people's mayor" of Slavyansk, Stella Khorosheva, said that the National Guard fighters had shot ten co-workers who wanted to go over to the side of the Donetsk People's Republic.


According to one of the representatives of the self-defense staff, the shooting was carried out directly on the territory of the military unit. “They put the guys against the wall right on the territory of the unit and opened fire on them,” he said, adding that now “their bodies are being buried on the outskirts of Kramatorsk”.

However, as the news agency notes "Vesti", representatives of the National Guard refute this information. “This, of course, is not true. No one shot anyone, ”said the spokesman for the unit of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine.

Also, the National Guard spokeswoman Victoria Kushnir confirmed the report that ten fighters of the National Guard - natives of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions - sided with the Donetsk People's Republic. According to her, at the moment the whereabouts of these people is unknown. Kushnir noted that criminal cases were initiated against them on the fact of non-compliance with the statute, all of them will be brought to justice.

INTERFAX.RU notes that on May 16, due to the transfer of contractors to the side of the Donetsk People’s Republic, the command of the Eastern Operational-Territorial Association of the National Guard had to redeploy personnel with equipment and weapons.
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  1. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 19 May 2014 07: 31
    +5
    Some comrades who still understand who is who in Ukraine have some other ideas. And it’s better to fight for the people than against the people.
    1. Denis
      Denis 19 May 2014 07: 37
      +24
      Quote: Rurikovich
      who is who in Ukraine
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 May 2014 07: 42
        +2
        Quote: Denis
        who is who in Ukraine

        You really need to put these in a series.
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        2. Denis
          Denis 19 May 2014 08: 12
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          You really need to put these in a series.

          duck they are all full of holes ....
      2. from punk
        from punk 19 May 2014 07: 50
        +3
        Quote: Denis
        who is who in Ukraine
      3. Mihail29
        Mihail29 19 May 2014 08: 55
        +1
        Only they are not in packages, but used.
      4. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 19 May 2014 09: 55
        +2
        I think it would be better in such a framework!
        1. Don
          Don 19 May 2014 13: 02
          +1
          Quote: Sith Lord
          I think it would be better in such a framework!

          Pashinsky and Farion are missing.
          1. L77
            L77 19 May 2014 17: 39
            +1
            And Tymoshenko.
    2. from punk
      from punk 19 May 2014 07: 57
      +3
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Some comrades who still understand who is who in Ukraine have some other ideas. And it’s better to fight for the people than against the people.

      in general, if this is true. then this is terrible. people are being shot, soldiers, population. I just offhand only Africa comes to mind where this happens
    3. sscha
      sscha 19 May 2014 08: 37
      +3
      It looks like the junta washed its handles! "Ten people went over to the side of the militia ...." - these are those who were shot! And then they will say that we do not know the business, they deserted and their further fate is not known! am
      1. Don
        Don 19 May 2014 13: 22
        0
        Quote: sscha
        they will say that we don’t know the business, they deserted and their further fate is not known!

        They already said that.
  2. bars280
    bars280 19 May 2014 07: 32
    +2
    Top cynicism !!! P.a.d.s. this humpback only aspen will fix!
  3. Arkan
    Arkan 19 May 2014 07: 32
    +1
    Runners ran, it became fearful against whom they were fighting, hryvnias hryvnias, but one life.
    1. O_RUS
      O_RUS 19 May 2014 07: 42
      +2
      Quote: Arkan
      Runners ran, it became against whom they were fighting


      + some just now began to understand, this will not be limited
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  4. mig31
    mig31 19 May 2014 07: 33
    +3
    A gang she is a gang, do not call her ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 May 2014 07: 43
      +2
      Quote: mig31
      A gang she is a gang, do not call her ...

      Solemnly signed up to the gang did not like, I decided to send from the gang. Where were the head and ass at the right time is not clear.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 19 May 2014 07: 57
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Where was the head and ass at the right time is not clear.

        There were reservists there, no one asked them. There is no data on the National Guard - the number! Therefore, if someone is killed, they will be declared "deserters"!
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 19 May 2014 08: 09
          +2
          Good day, Helen! love
          Quote: Egoza
          There were reservists there, no one asked them. There is no data on the National Guard - the number! Therefore, if someone is killed, they will be declared "deserters"!

          Where are the mothers of these reservists ?? Why do not send requests about the fate of their children in part? Or send, but nothing is reported about it?
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 19 May 2014 08: 22
          +3
          There were reservists, no one asked them.
          I don’t understand one point - there is no information. We decided to go to the other side. Okay. How did you try to do this? Come to the command of the Pravosek people and say: "Excuse me, we went to that one"? Or were they caught trying to escape? Or which of the "friends" reported.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 19 May 2014 08: 25
            +1
            Quote: abrakadabre
            How did you try to do this?

            Most likely caught while trying to screw.
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 19 May 2014 12: 32
              0
              On anti-Maidan they wrote that 53 National Guard refused to shoot at the Donetsk residents and one of the hunters on the phone ordered to shoot every fifth. The National Guard allegedly wrote from this part, and reprinted the anti-Maidan. True or not xs, but if true, then this is the diagnosis. In addition, it has been said more than once that the nations were promised a lot of money, but still have not paid anything.
  5. Sosed_26
    Sosed_26 19 May 2014 07: 34
    +9
    Here is G, O, N, D, O.N., We shot a hundred percent and now they say that the guys just ran away or switched to the side of the militia
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 May 2014 07: 58
      +5
      Quote: Sosed_26
      one hundred percent shot and now they claim that the guys just ran away

      You're right! In the blog of L.V. report "from there"
      http://s1.radikali.ru/uploads/2014/5/18/c65a956b606ded4251e1eac679155b81-full.pn
      g
  6. Balamyt
    Balamyt 19 May 2014 07: 35
    +1
    Quote: Rurikovich
    And it’s better to fight for the people than against the people.

    For the people, and with the people!
  7. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 19 May 2014 07: 47
    +2
    Already brought to justice and carried out the sentence. The press secretary doesn’t even lie, she confuses time ...
  8. vladim.gorbunow
    vladim.gorbunow 19 May 2014 07: 48
    +3
    The concept of television war appeared. But near Slavyansk there is already something else, apparently a post-television war.
  9. GRAY
    GRAY 19 May 2014 07: 48
    +2
    In addition to INTERFAX.RU, there is INTERFAX.COM.UA for Ukraine, they write one thing, for Russia the other is real prostitutes.
  10. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 19 May 2014 07: 53
    +1
    Well now you need to do the second round of SMS voting, atoms of the National Guard suffer losses from everyone!
    And from "enemies" and from their own.
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  12. gandalf
    gandalf 19 May 2014 07: 57
    +2
    Keep quiet ... but remember.
  13. mnbv199
    mnbv199 19 May 2014 07: 59
    +11
    Soon!
    On the screens of Ukraine.
    1. Charles_NK
      Charles_NK 19 May 2014 15: 19
      0
      Why is Ashton without a beard? bully
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  14. radar1967
    radar1967 19 May 2014 07: 59
    +11
    Without trial and investigation ... Cruel! But they could just transfer the fighters to the military prosecutor’s office. Those would be arrested for failure to comply with the order and would not be given much .... And in half a year they would have been justified. There is no such order to shoot the citizens of their country.
    However, this case is indicative, and suggests that when the pendulum swings in the opposite direction, the nationalists can only dream of a prison. Their caught carcasses will not be transferred to law enforcement, and even spread out for them will seem like a pipe fairy tale. They have a terrible fate. Most likely, the souls of the former SS soldiers killed in Ukraine in the 1940s.

    I am sure that now in battle even the junta’s army itself will shoot these creatures in the back. And armored personnel carriers with them will now more often explode on the roads. You will see. Such things in the soldier’s environment do not forgive.
  15. mister2013
    mister2013 19 May 2014 08: 04
    +1
    Quote: Rurikovich
    Some comrades who still understand who is who in Ukraine have some other ideas. And it’s better to fight for the people than against the people.


    What kind of people? Just the hryvnia is over, and pay 15000 gr. not by anything, so they ran. Soon others will run. They will think especially empty of what the junta is doing with its Wounded ... They just bury the dead.
  16. meriem1
    meriem1 19 May 2014 08: 04
    +2
    What a pity the guys .... And they will get their ki.
  17. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 19 May 2014 08: 04
    +2
    What is such a national guard? They crammed law enforcement officers into the Ministry of Internal Affairs,
    diluted mobilized, and all ??? People don’t want to fight with the people,
    here they are running ... Soon, in May, some maydowns will remain and right-wingers!
    Banderlog will run to the same west or on the Maidan.
    - Schuher, here they shoot, if cho, and they can bang! Dragging ...! -
  18. Echelon
    Echelon 19 May 2014 08: 07
    -4
    Maybe they shot, or maybe not, here we need clear data and evidence. And so - all this is just propaganda, although now any weapon should be used.

    Regarding the execution of those passing to the other side ... Many will not like what I am about to write, but when these ten people entered the service, they took the Oath. It doesn't matter which one, it doesn't matter who, but they swore allegiance. As you remember the words of Peter the 1st "Who of the soldiers at the banner has sworn allegiance once, he must stand to death". Here is your personal honor. It doesn't matter which side you are on (the enemy also needs to be respected), you swore an oath, so keep your word. If in 1995 one of my soldiers tried to go over to the side of the "spirits", he would do the same without hesitation. It's the only way to keep discipline when the ass is hard.
    1. Horn
      Horn 19 May 2014 08: 19
      +7
      Remember the oath you took. Remember the text. And where is there about "I pledge to obey self-appointed bandos and kill the citizens of my country"?
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      2. Echelon
        Echelon 19 May 2014 08: 36
        0
        At one time, I personally took the oath of the Russian Federation, what oath and to whom they were given in Ukraine I do not know, but for any thing they gave and swore to someone.
        1. Horn
          Horn 19 May 2014 09: 33
          0
          Quote: Echelon
          At one time, I personally took the oath of the Russian Federation, what oath and to whom they were given in Ukraine I do not know, but for any thing they gave and swore to someone.

          - And if you don't know, then why are you writing? Google is, "the text of the oath of the army of Ukraine" - and read it, even to blue in the face. The army is designed to protect the people and the country from EXTERNAL aggression!
          1. Echelon
            Echelon 19 May 2014 12: 28
            0
            Now go to the same Google and read the position on the internal troops and the national guard. They have other tasks. One can argue ad infinitum, this is not the question. If you swore - be faithful to the word, not sure, do not get in line. In war, snot and drool are inappropriate, there is war, there is no romance. And most importantly, in war, you always need to respect the enemy, even if he is scum and scum. Today, someone switched sides, tomorrow the political situation will change, they will run back. Double-handedness was never welcomed anywhere. Here, military review, and not the institution of trolls and noble maidens, must proceed from realities and reality, and not hide behind cheers-patriotism. He took the oath - that means he gave his word. He gave his word - hold on, you can't - die. It may seem that I'm protecting someone, it is not. I am talking about the honor of war and the word of a man. There is a war and a war without rules. I don’t want to draw an analogy, but in 1995 and after, something similar happened with us, and in the end they didn’t decide anything by force, but sat down at the negotiating table with those who turned out to be the most sane and did not stain their blood on the ears , and those who did not agree - destroyed. War is the last of what is possible, but when an understanding of this comes, a lot of blood will be shed, both guilty and not guilty. Once again, in war there are no rules and all means are good and not all laws work there. But the law of weapons always works there. And do not tell me about nobility and patriotism, I got drunk on the 95 when the 12 nineteen-year-old boys were abandoned and forgotten in the middle of the mess. At that moment, no oath saved us, we survived as best we could and survived until Grandfather Mazay came for us.
            Doher wrote about the nobility and exploits, but I, for 5 years of war, did not see them.
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    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 19 May 2014 08: 29
      +2
      Quote: Echelon
      If in 1995 one of my soldiers tried to go over to the side of the "spirits", he would do the same without hesitation.

      Can you imagine the consequences for yourself?
      1. Echelon
        Echelon 19 May 2014 08: 34
        +1
        Do you think that in a war, especially in a battle, someone thinks about the consequences? Do not make me laugh...
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 19 May 2014 08: 38
          +1
          Quote: Echelon
          Do you think that in a war, especially in a battle, someone thinks about the consequences?

          This is understandable, just in the future it would have come back to you anyway, in this case, I think, none of the shooters would have anything.
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    3. copper49
      copper49 19 May 2014 08: 33
      +2
      You should not substitute concepts. The Chechen war was a war of two states and two peoples. In Ukraine, there is a civil war, one people and one country. And the oath of allegiance to their people and their country, and not a specific government. The obligation to fulfill the orders of the boss is already secondary. Here everyone has a moral right to choose.
      That the guys were shot is most likely true: the number of defectors declared by Kiev coincides with the number of those shot. exactly 10. They killed and buried, declaring that they had fled. Ends in the water: written off as "missing in the ranks of" terrorists ".
      1. Echelon
        Echelon 19 May 2014 08: 42
        0
        Regarding the Chechen war, I’m not even going to argue with you, anyway, I will remain with my opinion, but yours doesn’t interest me.
        As for the oath, it is everyone’s personal business to observe it or not, but discipline in the army has always been based on two things: encouragement and punishment. But the one who did not serve cannot be understood.
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  19. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 19 May 2014 08: 08
    +1
    Sorry for the guys .. A true fascist junta!
    1. Horn
      Horn 19 May 2014 08: 17
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Sorry for the guys .. A true fascist junta!

      - You have to push. But that's not a pity. Why? And how many of them, armed people, who understand the crime of war against the people, and how many "pravosek" in their part? "53 people were disarmed and every fifth was shot" ... But what, at least these same 53 people are brainless rams, or people? Are they out of cartridges? They themselves, like dumb animals, ALLOWED to kill! ALLOWED !!!
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 19 May 2014 08: 36
        +1
        Quote: Horn
        They themselves, like wordless animals, ALLOWED to kill! ALLOWED !!!

        I totally agree! And I will add the statement of a knowledgeable person ... (L.V.)

        "Well, where are you, mommies and daddies ... who sent their" kids "to fight the Russofascists ....

        I have a familiar auto mechanic, an Azerbaijani. He left his country. It was according to such a scheme that there was a war there (Nagorno-Karabakh) in which he forcibly participated for 4 years. Barrel in the back of the head - either shoot, or a bullet ...

        And gentlemen, the officers so far have not yet understood that the protests in the army can only be in the form of armed rebellion against ... For this, they have weapons.
        Otherwise, they will shoot in front of the formation to intimidate. It’s not our own for a long time. You cannot "negotiate" with them.
        There is only one form of "protest" - force.

        And in conclusion. No one has ever won anything on fear. If a soldier goes into battle only because "they will kill anyway" - this is not a fighter. "
  20. Lyton
    Lyton 19 May 2014 08: 10
    +2
    Quote: radar1967
    Without trial and investigation ... Cruel! But they could just transfer the fighters to the military prosecutor’s office. Those would be arrested for failure to comply with the order and would not be given much .... And in half a year they would have been justified. There is no such order to shoot the citizens of their country.
    However, this case is indicative, and suggests that when the pendulum swings in the opposite direction, the nationalists can only dream of a prison. Their caught carcasses will not be transferred to law enforcement, and even spread out for them will seem like a pipe fairy tale. Their fate is terrible. Already something, but everyone will feel like scoffing at the executioners ...

    Yes, and what do you think they will be distinguished, not for nothing that they wear bandages, they had a tattoo from the SSovtsy, they were shot right away, and the issue with the right-wingers is open, after they all become civilians, for a short time.
    1. radar1967
      radar1967 19 May 2014 08: 29
      +1
      Everything secret sooner or later becomes apparent. Now there are a lot of photos, videos, Internet. For investigative ograny just a song. Evidence base - at least now half can be planted. SS distillation will be difficult to investigate. Blowtorches have not been canceled. Yes, and without it they will swim as nice. Their families will deny kinship with these executioners. Surnames to change, move, hide from shame.
      Imagine with what eyes the mother of the junta soldier and the mother of the militant of the National Guard are now looking at each other in the military enlistment office. The most idiotic order in world history. Rumors will actually go and they will be wet in the back.
      FURTHERS OF THE JUNT JUST PERFECTLY SHOW THAT IT IS NOT ABLE TO MANAGE THE STATE!
      HAIL IDIOTS!
  21. mister2013
    mister2013 19 May 2014 08: 11
    +1
    By the way, this is not the first official case. Only then a young conscript boy was killed. And the other was a lot of information. An example of the Kramatorsk police. They run around beg for money to steal right away, and people are pitted among themselves in order to distract from this.
  22. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 19 May 2014 08: 18
    +1
    Quote: Sosed_26
    Here is G, O, N, D, O.N., We shot a hundred percent and now they say that the guys just ran away or switched to the side of the militia


    So they declare the dead as "missing" - so that they do not pay money ...
  23. Shono Khan
    Shono Khan 19 May 2014 08: 25
    +1
    that's who, history is not taught there all, these "patriots of Ukraine", yet they do not know about the "night of long knives", and if Nuno will hand over them all for the ECC, still march the creatures. March creatures it will be easier to catch you !!!
  24. TekhnarMAF
    TekhnarMAF 19 May 2014 08: 25
    +1
    I cannot comment on this nonsense! I have a strong impression that we are visitors to ward 6 in some kind of "yellow house"! How quickly people (the crown of the universe) can descend to the level of thoughtless animals! I apologize to animals that are much more intelligent than these geeks. And this is in the 21st century! Our civilization has caught a virus and is buggy! What, we will have to reinstall the OS ?! In any case, I would not want to! Are we not able to fix everything ourselves?
  25. HAM
    HAM 19 May 2014 08: 43
    +3
    So, a little earlier I assumed that those killed in the battles and shot by their own would be declared DESERT, and their whereabouts would be UNKNOWN!
  26. Nataliya
    Nataliya 19 May 2014 08: 53
    +2
    Sorry guys ... confused, stupid. And how many more there are such ... "potential victims" of unbelted natsGadov.
  27. kelevra
    kelevra 19 May 2014 09: 42
    0
    By such measures, they will scare away even more people from themselves!
  28. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 19 May 2014 09: 48
    0
    History has the property of repeating itself, in the civil war in Russia there was a case, the red troops stormed Kazan, there were three assaults and no result, Kazan held, Trotsky arrived, ordered to build all the troops that stormed Kazan and shot every tenth. During the next assault, Kazan was taken, and in this case there are two factors, the intimidation of colleagues and a bandage with blood.
  29. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 19 May 2014 10: 27
    0
    Something is hard to believe, they cannot be so many idiots.
    1. Horn
      Horn 19 May 2014 11: 22
      0
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      Something is hard to believe, they cannot be so many idiots.

      - Oh well. Then look at their jumps and grimaces. These are cavemen ... I wanted to say "people", but I can't. Animals.
  30. gych
    gych 19 May 2014 11: 37
    0
    Quote: Denis
    Quote: Rurikovich
    who is who in Ukraine

    It’s better for them to dry up on their parents’s panties!