Ukrainian "chess"

Few observers noted that the “grandmaster” Vladimir Putin made the following move after the Crimea in the Ukrainian Party USA-Russia: there was no follow-up to the troops in South-Eastern Ukraine, the Crimean scenario in Donbass would not be repeated. But he was so expected, anticipated after the start of the punitive expedition of the Bandera National Guard in the Donbass and Odessa Khatyn, and which were, as it were, hinted at by the “battalion maneuvers” of Russia on the border with Ukraine.

States did not expect this - Russia again surprised! - and the State Department had to justify the crimes of the Ukrainian neo-Nazis in Slavyansk, Odessa and Mariupol, blurring its reputation as Nazism. Instead of announcing the already promised large-scale sanctions against Russia, and assisting Kiev in "repelling Russia's aggression" ...

Nobody knows today how events will unfold further in Ukraine, and Putin, too, since a real revolution is unfolding in Ukraine, and such “revolutionary chess” are spontaneous, that is, unpredictable. It understood even the deputy. UN Secretary-General, and acknowledged that Ukraine is plunging into chaos. Putin just knew it, and took a pause: not knowing ford, it is dangerous to climb into such water ...

Historically, the All-Ukrainian Revolution is now passing through a phase of “dual power,” like the All-Russian Revolution after the February 1917 coup. February Bandera putsch - what an irony stories! - also blew up and divided Ukraine, the attempts of the Bandera of Galicia to impersonate themselves for the whole “united Ukraine”, under the patronage of the USA, continue to tear the country apart. But the decisive word in this revolution is the people of Little Russia, New Russia, which is now arming itself.

In 1917, the “dual power” phase of the Soviets of People’s Deputies and the Provisional Government lasted quite a long time: from February to October. And the "diarchy" of the temporary Bandera Rada and the People's Republics could continue for a comparable time, if not for the presidential election of 25 in May.

In the context of the split of the country, “dual power” in the Donbass and “double-thinking” and Bandera repressions throughout Ukraine, the presidential elections of May 25 will not legitimize anyone, but will aggravate everything. You can laugh, but this election literally repeats the previous presidential election, perhaps because they have the same director from the US Embassy on the street Tank in Kiev.

Then Obama was the first to congratulate on the victory of President Yanukovych, and "threw" Tymoshenko, and today the United States defiantly rely on the billionaire Poroshenko, and again "throw" Tymoshenko! This is very offensive to the Orange Revolution's picture, and it threatens in response to “enter the third circle of the revolution.” And how will this end 25 May? Or what then begins?

It seems that Tymoshenko will be the first test for the “President Poroshenko”!
At the same time, the “orange princess” of Ukraine relies on its party “Batkivschyna” and forms its own pocket army, but on whom will the non-partisan Poroshenko rely? In fact, Yarosh Bandera's “Right Sector” is still present on the political scene of Ukraine ... Another question in connection with these elections: how long will the US Embassy headed by Payette be able to “control” this nationalist sidewalk?

In this formidable situation, it seems that only Rabinovich, indeed pro-Ukrainian, defends the chance for Ukraine, of the remaining presidential candidates: to recognize all post-February political realities and urgently restore relations with Russia. And what are his chances to win?

However, to realize this completely hypothetical chance, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which for the most part still hold neutrality, must be disarmed and somehow neutralized by the Bandera National Guard, and this is no less a fantastic assumption. On the contrary, the Ukrainian Armed Forces can predict with certainty the imminent split, it actually begins already, while in the Donbass ... With it the “diarchy” will end and a new phase of the Ukrainian revolution, relatively speaking, the Ukrainian “October” will come. Then, apparently, the pause taken by the “grandmaster” Putin will end, and Russia will make its next move in the Ukrainian party with the United States.

... But in general, in the revolution and civil war, those forces that fight for their honor and dignity, and not for the sausage or bacon piece, always win! Even straight from Europe.

Comments

[Labrador]

The hungry rats of Maidan will devour each other anyway.

[Arhj]

When the pressure exceeds permissible, an explosion follows.
There is reason to suspect that Ukrainians are already tired of being afraid, and social rebellion is clearly close. The only big question is whether there will be anything to restore when the revolutionary fervor passes.

[nvv]

I look at the situation from my bell tower, to the best of my understanding. In Kiev, the Jews are in power. Jewish oligarchs. Even Jews seep into the power of the DPR. Shooters gave them a slope, now they will try to climb through the back porch with the help of ALIA. Or do you think they will come for noble reasons? They are not familiar with such feelings. The beast clutched its teeth in Ukraine. Cut off his arms and legs, will not let go. Until you knock out your teeth

[Bayonet]

Quote: nvv

I look at the situation from my bell tower, to the best of my understanding. In Kiev, the Jews are in power. Jewish oligarchs. Even Jews seep into the power of the DPR

The usual nonsense terry anti-Semite.

Quote: nvv

Shooters gave them a slope, now they will try to climb through the back porch with the help of ALIA.

Unlike you, spitting saliva "from your bell tower", the ALII fighters offer real help to Lugansk and Donetsk.

[Canep]

Quote: Bayonet

Unlike you, spitting saliva "from your bell tower", the ALII fighters offer real help to Lugansk and Donetsk.

I don’t remember that the Jews did something for free.

Historically, the Pan-Ukrainian Revolution is now undergoing a phase of "dual power",

There is no dual power, there each oligarch creates his own army and pulls a blanket over himself, there is anarchy.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Canep

I don’t remember that the Jews did something for free.

It’s only our disinterested people who even refuse to pay at work, but in the market, in general, they give away everything for free!

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Bayonet

It’s only our disinterested people who even refuse to pay at work, but in the market, in general, they give away everything for free!

Anecdote in the topic:
One Jew boasts to his friend an expensive, antique watch, a friend praised the purchase, to which the Jew declares: - "A family heirloom. Dad SOLD them to me just before his death."

[saber1357]

Look, how annoying, just like an advertising agent.

[O_RUS]

Quote: Canep

I don’t remember that the Jews did something for free.

+ yeah, in addition, the floor "hands" can chop off

[ran42]

In April 45, my uncle crossed his arm over his biceps with a splinter near Berlin. My uncle was 20 years old, including 3 years at the front in the infantry. In the field, the surgeon managed to save her, and then her uncle was even able to work. Uncle all his life recalled this Jewish surgeon with gratitude. You can minus me as much as you like, but the opinion of the front-line soldier is sacred to me.

[Yasondinalt]

commonplace - in every nation there are heroes and pigs. I don’t like to label.

[I am a Russian]

Quote: ran42

You can minus me as you like, but the opinion of the front-line soldier is sacred to me.

don’t worry so much! Time will pass and realize that they were afraid in vain.
Yes, and one does not judge everyone.

[Turkestan]

Quote: Bayonet
Unlike you, spitting saliva "from your bell tower", the ALII fighters offer real help to Lugansk and Donetsk.

I don’t remember that the Jews did something for free.

Well, you do not need the help that they offer you. YOU DO NOT TRUST JEWS Then do something yourself. Read Strelkov how many people are fighting in the SOUTH EAST in the Millionth Russian-speaking region. And you yourself don’t do anything and don’t give it to others.

[soyuz-nik]

Good health, I wish!
When Jews died on the fronts of World War II, they personally received dallars and gold from the Washington Regional Committee for this ....

Now Russians in Ukraine find themselves in the "skin" of Jews in Russia (and not only in Russia). Doesn't the slogan "Mask.lyaku - for gilyak" remind you "Hit the Jews - save Russ!" What other slogan does Banderast have? It seems, "Let's drown the Jews in Russian and Polish blood?" or something like that ... Russians are sweeter because they won't be drowned?

Is it not the "Jewish lobby" now knocking on all the political "gates" of the Geyropa and the SGA, including with a reminder of Babi Yar?

As in the Russian ethnos (Russian society) there are degenerates, so in the Jewish ethnos (society) - not without it. Kolomoisky - a bastard, not because a Jew, but because he is just a bastard ...

May the Force be with us!

[nvv]

Unlike you, spitting saliva "from your bell tower", ALII's fighters offer real help God, save and save the arrow from such help! It will be a shot in the back.

[Bayonet]

Quote: nvv

God, save and save the arrow from such help! It will be a shot in the back.

“Aliya” was formed in 2002 from the professional military personnel of the Soviet Army and the armies of the CIS countries who left for Israel. Some of them then served in the Israeli army. The battalion includes paratroopers, commandos, sappers, dog handlers, doctors and other specialists. I trust them more, and with such a commentator, I certainly wouldn’t go to intelligence - a rotten person!

[nvv]

Bayonet - You are a real fighter. I respect, unlike your colleagues, who put cons without explaining why. Look at the scoreboard. My bell tower has more associates. And on the account of intelligence, you are right, we are on opposite sides of the barricades.

[tasey]

They do not explain it - because "we ... lo". That "Crimean daughters of the officer", then ... Dismiss the explanation.

[fyvaprold]

Quote: Bayonet

“Aliya” was formed in 2002 from the professional military personnel of the Soviet Army and the armies of the CIS countries who left for Israel. Some of them then served in the Israeli army. The battalion includes paratroopers, commandos, sappers, dog handlers, doctors and other specialists. I trust them more, and with such a commentator, I certainly wouldn’t go to intelligence - a rotten person!

Yes, it is better to go to reconnaissance with AMAN, well, at worst with the Mossad, but with the "goyim" what intelligence, no pathos, no profit.

[vezunchik]

do not have nationalism. Khrushchev, who planted a bomb under the USSR, was Russian, and Stalin managed to rally and raise the USSR to Georgians!

[samuil60]

Khrushchev was not a Russian spawn. According to the passport - Ukrainian, by origin - from the Volga Khazars. Stalin’s Georgia is also a big problem, but not towards Israel. And it is not necessary to write everyone down as anti-Semites: in practice, the Jews themselves are most often the biggest anti-Semites ...

[Kolesnikoff.dmitr]

Mossad intelligence in Israel!

[saber1357]

"professional military men of the Soviet army and the armies of the CIS countries" - I will not even decipher. It sounds painfully funny for anyone whose associative thinking is not disturbed by propaganda.

[radar1967]

I agree. Well done, that you are not afraid of the Nazi minus. This is normal, they are in every nation. Ukrainian Natsiks at least risk their lives, and ours only spoil their Internet with their bloody thoughts. condemn pravosekov and they say the same thing... There is such a profession - to provoke the Motherland .. Well, God be with them, let their sons do what the fathers advise ... The fathers themselves apparently did not fight, and do not know that a warrior is a profession, just like a surgeon. And you need to work with professionals, not like "come on, come on, come on, by ...". Pros do not substitute each other, take care of each other, otherwise the interest in life is lost.
And in fact ...Jews themselves must take their dejermoo. Let's just say it is their business of honor. Then, in any case, they will plop down the fascist Kalomoysky quietly, but the punitive structures he created will do a lot of harm to the image of the Jewish people. The United States hoped that Putin would do it, it didn’t work out. Putin then mixed up the cards for them. And it is quite possible that not only Aliya but also the State Department will have to clean up the fascists in Ukraine. It is not yet known where their Dark Water will send their trunks ...

[O_RUS]

Quote: radar1967

Ukrainian Natsiks at least risk their lives,

Sorry ... but it looks like you are starting to sing deaframbs to the fascists.

Quote: radar1967

and ours only the Internet with their bloody little thoughts stain.

Are you planning to change the camp?

Quote: radar1967

There is such a profession - to provoke homeland ..

is it about the inhabitants of Ukraine?

Master such ugly questions?

[52]

Yes, what a thundering Shot! There’s no need to even think over the consequences!

[Fin]

Quote: Bayonet

Unlike you, spitting saliva "from your bell tower", the ALII fighters offer real help to Lugansk and Donetsk.

In Aliya, veterans have been all for 40 years, none of them will go to the front lines, their health is not good, and there is everything in Israel at home - they did not come to die for the Donbass. But get on your hands. posts in the military wing of the DPR and advise (great experience) they will try. Certain benefits will undoubtedly bring, but after require posts and posts. Is it necessary? Its such unmeasured.

[Bayonet]

Quote: vladimirZ

You listen to the same Strelkova. Platoons and companies of militias are commanded by rank-and-file, at best sergeants, not enough competent officers, specialists.

What else can I add?

Quote: Fin

In Aliya, veterans are all over 40 years old, none of them will go to the forefront, health is not right

Yes, they are young, all the more inept - they will give odds!

[olegglin]

Bayonet
Quote: vladimirZ
You listen to the same Strelkova. Platoons and companies of militias are commanded by rank-and-file, at best sergeants, not enough competent officers, specialists.
What else can I add?

Summary of Igor Ivanovich Strelkov for May 18, 2014 "So, today's summary.
"Ah-ah-ah! Here you are, old man! Sit down, drink your beer! Today is a good summary!" (from)
Today early in the morning from two sides at the same time an enemy checkpoint was attacked in the area of ​​the settlement Robin. At the same time he was fired from a mortar and several grenade launchers at close range. 2 APCs burned down on the spot, the roadblock was completely destroyed, the enemy suffered heavy losses in manpower. Our losses are 1 wounded.
At noon, a grove was bombarded with mortar fire in the area of ​​the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk road, in which the consolidated units of the National Guard, the 25th and 95th airmobile brigades and a checkpoint located nearby are located. In the grove there are three fires, and through binoculars it was perfectly visible how many soldiers scattered in panic (the grove is small - 400 by 50 meters). They fired 60 min. 82-mm at the grove, 10 shells "Nona" at the checkpoint. Another 6 shells were sent to the artillery positions on the return slope of Karachun. Later, helicopters landed on Karachun and at the checkpoint and took out the wounded.
Towards evening, our reconnaissance unit received information about the enemy's location in N of the item. Seleznevka (outskirts of the city, 2 km north of Semyonovka). The reconnaissance group secretly entered the village and in a fleeting battle destroyed 6 "national guards" (black uniform, helmets "painted" with slogans and emblems of the "right sector"), a dozen more were wounded. KAMAZ was burnt.
In total, according to radio interception, today the enemy’s casualties killed and wounded exceeded 100 people, 3 BTR, radio station based on GAZ-66, 2 trucks were destroyed.
According to the population, the enemy is now thrust into plastic boxes from small arms and taken to Raisins, where all the morgues are already filled with corpses - the refrigerators are full.
With the onset of darkness, the enemy conducts a disturbing fire on our positions with howitzers and mortars.
We have just reported that our reconnaissance unit has attacked the BZS checkpoint. A shot from a "Fly" destroyed 1 BMP. Several National Guardsmen were incapacitated killed and wounded.
The enemy hollows out the checkpoint, from which ours came out, from howitzers ... But there is no one there. :-) "
PS about the big losses of the enemy:
"The grove was packed with people like herring in a barrel. And they got there very well and in a heap. The same thing happened in Malinovka - everything was very tight."

[tolyasik0577]

Compounded by the fact that civilians are dying in the Ukrainian army. Those that are called upon to mobilize. All reports on the victory of the militias will only increase the hostility of the draftees and ultimately lead to open clashes between the army and the militia of the DPR. But the National Guard, through impregnated with fascism, is a kind of detachment. Here is a true enemy whose plans are to push once upon a time a united people.
It seems that we will, in the near future, see the civil war of 1920. We are waiting for the election. One way or another, no matter how the situation after the election, Ukraine will face a split. and, in my opinion, a bloody split. in Ukraine there is no force capable of disarming the right-wing nationalists. the maximum is to drive them into the western regions, from where they actually appeared.

[samuil60]

That's for sure! At first, ALIA seemed to be going to fight on the side of the DPR. Then an interview with Commander Ratner surfaced, saying that Alia would be a buffer between the parties to the conflict. On the last air of Solovyov, Ratner said nothing specific about Aliya’s goals in Ukraine. I wonder why?

[BLACK-SHARK-64]

I don’t see yet .....

[Arkon]

The paradox of the situation is that your opponent is both right and wrong at the same time.
Jewishness is not a single organism.
There is a part in it that pursues the interests of the "Atlanteans". And the "Atlanteans" have now decided to merge the Jews for the sake of building the NWO. The NWO is not a Jewish project.
But the orthodox part of the Jews is now beginning to clearly understand that, for once, the interests of Russia and Israel with respect to counteracting NWMs are beginning to coincide.
And Israel has no other hope of survival, except for Russia.
Such crap ...

[jekasimf]

If they really want to help, then let them help on their territory. By political methods, by influencing their government, and as a result, by the gesheft lobby, in the world. And in Ukraine they are better off not appearing. Many will perceive their appearance ambiguously.

[vezunchik]

in every nation there are heroes and judahs! How many Russians are currently paid by the USA ???

[saber1357]

What is this, ALIA’s advertisement, or what? So VO is not an advertising site ... Thank you, Dagaga, we actually have Polite People, we don’t need to understand in Donbass who it is not clear with which program it is not clear from which country.

[biznaw]

Figs knows whether it’s anti-Semism or the rejection of the opportunists. They ate help sincerely ready to provide why Alia is still not in the Donbass. There is no need to climb into Slavyansk, everything is under control there, but in the neighboring cities and villages, they could set up posts.

[vladimirZ]

Ukrainian "chess", in which the main grandmasters, like Obama from the United States and Putin from Russia, are far from the true picture of the current events.
In this "game" there are a lot of other "players" who are not taken into account by the concept of "chess" and its "main grandmasters".
And the main of them are the Russian people of the South-East of Ukraine - Novorossia. It seems that no one wants to take it into account, neither Obama, who considers all the people "separatists and terrorists", nor Putin does not publicly express his attitude towards him, and most importantly does not provide tacit assistance to the people of Novorossia, the Russian people. Everything is left to chance, they will swim out on their own - good. They will not come out - what can you do - "ce la vie".
But Obama helps the opponents of "separatists and terrorists" very actively with advisers, active work of the media, mercenary units, material assistance, and sanctions.
And Russia, Putin, what is he doing? Militias are asking for tacit help, realizing that Russia cannot openly help, due to the prevailing international pressure on Russia, but THIS HELP IS NOT available to RUSSIA. There are no specialists, no material assistance, no active media work, even in Russia.

[sherman1506]

And how do you know if there is help or not, no one will report to you what is happening there.

[vladimirZ]

sherman1506
And how do you know if there is help or not, no one will report to you what is happening there.

And you move your brains, analyze the open information, the speech of Igor Strelkov on the state of affairs with command personnel, specialists. Watch and listen to the unprofessional actions of the DPR leaders with requests "to join Russia," without holding a referendum on joining Russia or another state entity.
Watch the video, of which there are a lot on the Internet, and then conclude whether there is real concrete unofficial assistance to Russia or not. Only a few volunteers help. Even the mass work of the Russian media on coverage and information counter-struggle against Bandera media is not.
At the time of the Internet, a lot is open to information. Anyone with a phone can shoot a video and launch into the world of information. You can’t hide anything.

[Sid.74]

Quote: vladimirZ

And you move your brains, analyze the open information, Igor Strelkov’s speech on the state of affairs with team personnel, specialists.

Well, if you had always acted according to the rules of the enemy, then the Second World War might have lost. You only see what you expect! But I’m wondering where from Strelka the radio intercepts about which he regularly talks! Donbass radio hams help?
Here is an example from the words of Igor Ivanovich.

In total, according to radio interception, today the enemy’s casualties killed and wounded exceeded 100 people, 3 BTR, radio station based on GAZ-66, 2 trucks were destroyed.

That is, I don’t say anything, but if we are talking about hundreds of killed mercenaries, is it worth it to assume that this is only military luck and disorganization of the National Guard! I think that someone supplies the militia with information! And as for the words about the lack of specialists, here is the answer Arrow!

Question: did the local people go after the speech?

Answer: "Yes, let's go. 40 people entered the city today, 300 are on the way. There will be more."

Yes and one more curious moment!

Everyone heard Strelkov’s appeal. The commander rebukes the inhabitants of the Southeast that they do not go to the aid of Slavyansk.

As it turned out today, people are walking. And many people come to the rescue! But they are turned back by a pest, Akhmetov's man named Khodakovsky. It has already been analyzed in detail by Lev Vershinin putnik1. By this evening, it is already known about 8 groups of fighters to whom Khodakovsky said that they were not needed in Sloviansk and sent them back. Apparently, this Akhmetov's "mole" was left as a last resort in order to weaken the defenses of Slavyansk.

[vladimirZ]

Sid.74 (2)
I think that someone supplies information to the militias!

And why do you think that the information of Strelkov I. is supplied by Russian special services?
They can be patriots of Donbass. What, by the way, was confirmed by the people's mayor of Slavyansk Vyacheslav Ponamarev, who answered a question from journalists that he had not yet received information from the village occupied by Bandera, but "patriots should report" about the losses of the Ukrainian army.
In an age when everyone has a cell phone, it’s not only Russian special services that solve the problem of collecting information.

[Sid.74]

Quote: vladimirZ

And why do you think that the information of Strelkov I. is supplied by Russian special services?

I just suggested about radio intercepts, but about the information about the movement of troops, the extensive intelligence network of the Donbass! It’s just hard to believe that this is only a small group of military specialists that holds back the number of forces of the national guard and mercenaries! So I’m looking for a Shoigu cat!

[vladimirZ]

Sid.74 (2)
So I’m looking for a Shoigu cat! hi

I immediately remembered the parable.
It is difficult to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if it is not there.

[demo]

Interview listen Strelkova.
If there was help, then I would not write a speech.
He did not speak to me with you, and not to Donetsk dolbaks.
He said this for Putin.

[Victor Kamenev]

Just the facts. Strelkov's detachment was formed in the Crimea, the composition is Russian-Ukrainian, in the Donbass there are already Terek Cossacks and, it seems, another Crimean detachment. And you think that the Russian special services have nothing to do with it? Just a "polite cat" is very difficult to spot, as Shoigu said.

[vladimirZ]

Victor Kamenev
... Strelkov’s detachment was formed in the Crimea, the composition is Russian-Ukrainian, in the Donbass already exists ...

Listen to the same Strelkov. Platoons and companies of militias are commanded by privates, at best, sergeants, there is a lack of competent officers and specialists. There is not enough ammunition, "some Ossetians come and offer ammunition at a frenzied price," "some of the weapons have to be bought, and for a lot of money," etc. etc.
More of all this, the initiative of units, volunteers, and not as not "the work of special services."

[samuil60]

Listen, Vladimir, why are you nonsense? Or shoulder straps are spinning? Why rob your own country without any information? If you are so intently watching the Internet, you would see a video of the arrival in the Donbass of both Cossacks and Chechens. And then the weapon in the hands of the rebels and in general in the frame - is that all the mythical depots of the First World War? But what do Strelkov say that they buy weapons or take them in battle - do you believe that? Are you so naive? What reasonable person in the war will lay out cards on the table, and even when the enemy is looking? Stop being naive, help, than we can, so as not to be substituted. And stop tearing the shirt - for the sake of the miners of the Donbass, you should not expose our children to bullets ahead of time. Or yours will not go?

[222222]

"Analytics of Crimea and Novorossiya
War for the Donetsk Succession (Big Analytical Analysis) "
http://novorus.info/news/analytics/16298-voyna-za-doneckoe-nasledstvo-bolshoy-an
aliticheskiy-razbor.html

[SPACE]

Quote: vladimirZ

Ukrainian "chess

I think this is not only chess, but a triathlon session with billiards and poker. Chess is played in the Middle East, and here is a game of billiards. Someone who is not quite smart, with my February E2-E4, I naively believe that the game is drafts, stupidly broke balls, Putin only has to watch them scatter ..., well, sometimes, in order to do something, you don’t need anything neither do and just wait ... when the process of separation, the separation of good and evil ... is completed, and in geopolitics, the stakes rise in the meantime ... whoever gets this buyback is at stake, a headache for the west or a find for Russia.

[Not angry]

Quote: vladimirZ

And Russia, Putin, what is he doing? Militias are asking for tacit help, realizing that Russia cannot openly help, due to the prevailing international pressure on Russia, but THIS HELP IS NOT available to RUSSIA. There are no specialists, no material assistance, no active media work, even in Russia.

If help is not a vowel, it means they won’t write about it, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.

[jetfors_84]

Putin is doing everything right. And the media works. Or do you think volunteer recruitment points will be opened here?
The people themselves must do everything. And to gain power. And if I think they will make statehood real in Donetsk and the Luhansk region, then this will go further and spread to neighboring regions. And Strelkov spoke correctly. No one will come and bring freedom. We must take weapons (and it already exists) and go to fight
They entered Afghanistan as friends, and then the whole country fought against us.

[g1v2]

To help, you need to know who and how to help. Now in the east there are a lot of activists and bosses, but so far there is no real leadership. When there is real power with a real army and clear goals, then you can help. Let the Donetsk people decide what they really want to achieve and whether they are ready to achieve it. Strelkov said that there are already weapons, the law enforcement officers and the National Guard are quite confidently grinding, so how can they be helped now? And we will always have time to recognize, because recognition alone does not give anything. Abkhazia and South Ossetia for years lived unrecognized, like Transnistria and nothing. The moment presented itself - recognized. If we manage to connect Transnistria through the border with Novorossiya, then we will recognize it. People do not make a fuss, now the east of Ukraine is playing, our turn to enter the game has not yet come. Well, whoever is experiencing events in Ukraine like this, have a drink of sedatives, and then, given that it will still take more than a month, no matter how much you have enough kondraty.

[Rost_a]

On the website of Rusvesna it was reported that the necessary medicines were received from Russia, which were not enough to treat the wounded.

[vladimirZ]

To all minus minors, who believe that Russia adequately helps the Russian people of the South-East of Ukraine - Novorossia.
I could not stand it. I duplicate the answer to the appeal of Igor Strelkov from the poet Leonid Kornilov.

[nvv]

Guys! If you put cons, just because you are Jews, then I’m misunderstood. I have a normal sexual orientation. And I just love the Jew Wasserman.

[Victor Kamenev]

And I respect Wasserman, Vladimir Solovyov and their comrades.

[creak]

[quote = nvv]
I look at the situation from my bell tower, to the best of my understanding. In Kiev, the Jews are in power. Jewish oligarchs. Even Jews seep into the power of the DPR.

Russia is waiting, cherishing a dream
About the brave news of one
When will they finally find a Jew?
which was all the fault ..

[tasey]

So found a long time ago ... Or to remind?

[IFreedman]

We arrived ...

[Lunaaron]

You are right. In Ukraine, there are Jewish disassemblies (on a large scale). But comrade Kolomoisky, Poroshenko and others ... for some reason do not take into account the Russian factor. But in vain! The Russians have always broken the back of their knees to applicants for world domination.

[Nick]

Quote: nvv

In Kiev, the Jews are in power. Jewish oligarchs

Etio are not Jews, they are women ids, rootless cosmopolitans, as they were called in recent times ...

[Andrey Gladkikh]

I understand that the objection to the post, which is actively being added, will cause equally active minus. I have nothing to do with Jews: neither by blood, nor by conviction, nor by circle of communication. But when I read such sayings, there is a feeling that someone, imitating the legendary Roman senator, who ended his every speech with the words: “But Carthage must be destroyed”, in any possible case (to the place, and often not to the place) pulls the known couplets - "Jews, Jews, Jews are all around." And it is not so much anti-Semitism that angers me (although it is undoubtedly “this is not good”), but a dismissive attitude towards me as a reader of such opuses is the assumption that I, as an ignoramus, will at least agree to this nonsense.

[Turkestan]

I look at the situation from my bell tower, to the best of my understanding. In Kiev, the Jews are in power. Jewish oligarchs. Even Jews seep into the power of the DPR. Shooters gave them a slope, now they will try to climb through the back porch with the help of ALIA. Or do you think they will come for noble reasons? They are not familiar with such feelings. The beast clutched its teeth in Ukraine. Cut off his arms and legs, will not let go. Until you knock out your teeth [

Yes, understand that today the SOUTH-EAST needs a peaceful respite to create government structures in a QUIET environment. For this, it is necessary to create a POWER belt consisting of Inter-brigades at the borders of these regions, where such formations as ALIA and NATION could enter, in this case, it does not matter what.

[alexng]

Everything is not so prosaic. The United States is now fighting with itself, trying to drag Russia in, and the bear is not going to trap and not going, I am waiting for a convenient moment to catch hunters by surprise. Oh, and these hunters will play to the good of someone else!

[Tersky]

Many do not know, but in 1918, for a short time, the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic already existed, simply called simply Donbass. Its capital was Kharkov, and later - Lugansk. The background is as follows. In June 1917, the Ukrainian Central Council gathered in Kiev, which announced Ukraine’s autonomy within Russia. This organ was rather muddy, as they would say now, self-proclaimed, however, like many other "authorities" in revolutionary Russia. The provisional government naively believed that Ukraine was located in the Kiev, Volyn, Podolsk, Poltava and Chernihiv provinces. But judging by the statements of the then-clowns of the day, Ukraine’s borders were only natural. So at the Ukrainian military congress in May of the 17, it was already announced that it was necessary to Ukrainize the Black Sea Fleet and partially Ukrainize the Baltic Fleet. Russia did not have a Pacific fleet then, otherwise they did not forget it, because in the Far East, on the so-called Green Wedge, many immigrants from Little Russia lived then. The story is repeated, and its victims too ..

[thinker]

Speaking of the Central Council, the surname of M. Grushevsky was still recalled.
Grushevsky is the author of "History of Ukraine-Rus" - a ten-volume monograph, where in particular he promoted the separation of ethnogenesis and the multi-vector nature of the Ukrainian and Russian peoples.
Many Ukrainian historians and scholars consider M.S.Grushevsky to be the first president of Ukraine.

[Mitek]

What kind of amers reputation can there be? Everyone knows and understands everything, but they hypocritically continue to do what is beneficial to them. There is no legal society. In the modern world, only the right of the strong works. Therefore, mattresses twitch. They are no longer alone. And in relation to Ukraine, the GDP made the only right choice. When they get drunk on their maidan to bloody snot, as Arhj correctly noted, when at least a little understanding will come into their brainwashed, who is their enemy and who is friend, then you can talk about something. In general, it’s sincerely sorry for the country where Darth Vader is the most worthy presidential candidate.

[222222]

"Ukrainian" chess ""
What chess-CHECKS and those in "Chapaya" ..
"There are reasons to suspect that Ukrainians are already tired of being afraid .." ..
... "contact!" - "There is a contact" ...
It's not evening yet .. the main events are ahead ..
Overture to the opera .. A new composer in global politics ..
(Overture (from Fr. ouverture - introduction) in music - an instrumental orchestral play performed before the beginning of any performance - opera, ballet, motion picture, etc., or a one-part orchestral piece, often belonging to program music.)

[OTTO]

Quote: Arhj

There is reason to suspect that Ukrainians are already tired of being afraid, and social rebellion is clearly close.

After the February revolution, there is usually an October revolution, it seems like not long to wait. But you are right, "explode" is not weak. I am afraid that I will not have to restore, but build anew.

[222222]

http://www.imperiya.by/news.html?id=135447

[Sibiriya]

Nothing will happen as long as the principle of my hut on the edge
Unfortunately, most are waiting while sitting on the fifth point - where they will take them

[Horn]

Quote: Arhj

When the pressure exceeds permissible, an explosion follows.
There is reason to suspect that Ukrainians are already tired of being afraid, and social rebellion is clearly close. The only big question is whether there will be anything to restore when the revolutionary fervor passes.

- It’s only interesting, will they take down the lid, or will the bottom be knocked out? According to the stench that comes from Kiev, it seems that the bottom is starting to turn in ...

[Rus2012]

Quote: Arhj

When the pressure exceeds permissible, an explosion follows.

will follow ...
if you do not poison ...
or not to force the drive of passion and discontent in war or hard labor ...

It seems that Tymoshenko will be the first test for the “President Poroshenko”!

It won't! 3,14 The Neds are smart, they have already "hobbled" Mrs. Yulia and Co. ... Having demanded to be silky and obedient ... otherwise - drain the compr and persecution ... And where should they go when it's all over?
"President Poroshenko" - he is Valtsman
Previously wrote -

In fact, the paths of Krajina are inscrutable ...
Good will not be long.
And it doesn't matter whether the elections will take place on May 25, at which the United States has appointed ahead of time the "winner" Poroshenko (Pig Senk, in the Chinese pronunciation. They have dumb hissing ...), Waltzman is by birth.
Let the Natsik Bandera rejoice who they choose ...
Have 3,14ndos and Blanc "B", if suddenly there is a force majeure with their protege. Who do you think they are betting on? That's right, on the fascist Yarosh, his fattening man. They don't care what scenario chaos will develop on the ruin ...
But the Eurogeipop doesn't care - they will have to clean the "agiyev stables" after the Nazis ...
We, in principle, also do not care. Once the great ukry brewed porridge with dermak, they him and dred to the bottom. But, since you have to fight, it is better with uniquely odious bandits.
Mrs. Yulechke and Co. - the same Yankees narrowed the path and tied their hands - there will be no active Euro-Maidan 3.0 or 4.0 from their cry. But. perhaps in their hearts they dream that, someone will organize this business for them, or they will flood the powder ...
Wait and see...

By the way, here - http://takie.org/news/zhelanija_i_vozmozhnosti/2014-05-18-10505
there is a good vision of what is and will be on the edge ...

[comprochikos]

Quote: Labrador

The hungry rats of Maidan will devour each other anyway.

Hurry, these urk drenched each other

[yushch]

Of course they’ll eat it, just how much firewood they will break in the process? And the worst thing is that now you can’t influence this situation.

[ispaniard]

In Europe and the USA they already know Putin’s worst weapon is Putin’s SILENCE ... But I think the next move is V.V.P. will be done shortly after his visit to China

[Controller]

I think a visit to China is one of the moves in response to the far-fetched sanctions of the USA and Geyropa.

[IFreedman]

One thing can be said tentatively: Ukraine as a single state has come to an end.

[raf]

But, before they devour each other, the krovushka folk will be fairly pricked.

[The point]

Wait and see, live, find out, survive, consider!

[smith7]

And by the winter, the people of the population will be hungry, they will be unemployed, and they will freeze. Understanding and motivation will come how to live on - honestly or fairly ... All that remains is for Russia to support the Russians in Ukraine, which is logical ... But this is a very “rosy” hopeful scenario. Realities can spill over into the years of civil war and devastation during which Ukrainians can be "taken warm."

[Balamyt]

For some reason, it seems to me that everything seems to calm down, before the storm, what will begin after May 25th. Now everyone has diverged in their corners. The gong will sound 25.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

The West was asleep and saw that Russia would send troops so dreamed about it and were preparing to "raise a howl" Bummer them! So far, the volunteers are doing well .. Hold on to Donbass! We will help you as much as we can .. Time must be won!

[from punk]

Quote: MIKHAN

The West was asleep and saw that Russia would send troops so dreamed about it and were preparing to "raise a howl" Bummer them!

they need something like the Balkans against the Slavs in the Balkans. and there and from inside you can start to peck Russia

[papont64]

I feel sorry for people ...

[Victor Kamenev]

In the war, most die by foolishness. Do not be silly! - and have less to regret.

[Name]

In the United States, IQ ..., and in RUSSIA, AVOS is multiplied by savvy.

[Barakuda]

Another + hammer and some kind of mother. I hope the motherland ..

[e_krendel]

IQ - a test for the speed of performing tasks of a certain kind with given (and unchanged in the process of its implementation) conditions for a certain time.
In reality: not all conditions are known before the decision is made (often a small part of them); some (often many) conditions change as they progress; the time allotted for the decision is unknown. The correctness of the decision often becomes clear only after a long time.
Conclusion: a person trained to solve problems by IQ is not suitable for solving real problems.

[Name]

So it assumes the complete VICTORY of RUSSIA. Because the tasks now being solved by RUSSIA for amers are considered universal ... And for Russia - another overcoming of some "obstacles".

[gandalf]

After revolutions, dictatorship always comes. What will she be like? Preferably not Bandera ...

[Victor Kamenev]

An interesting question ... A revolution gives birth to a "leader". Who will they be? Perhaps the Ukrainian "father Lukashenko"?

[Arkan]

I agree with the author of the article that the collapse of active Ukraine will begin later. Donetsk and Lugansk, only the first signs, the junta should devour itself.

[OTTO]

Quote: Arkan

the junta must devour itself.

It will start after 25 when the "girl with the scythe" does not recognize the results of the "election". She simply has no other options, either a victory now, or a political death (and maybe not only a political one). Only I am afraid that the competition between two (and maybe more) Maidans for the title of the most maydanut will cost dearly to ordinary Ukrainians.

[Canep]

Quote: Arkan

Donetsk and Lugansk, only the first swallows

Second, Crimea first.

[Al_lexx]

The order will be restored for a long time. Those who are now sitting in Kiev will not sit until July. By that time, a new round of the struggle for power will begin. And by the end of summer, the whole country will enter the barricades, since there will be nothing.

[saag]

Quote: Al_lexx

And by the end of summer, the whole country will enter the barricades

illusions, they said exactly the same thing - the miners would all rise and tear everyone, in Kiev they didn’t particularly resist the Maidan, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson, Dnepropetrovsk generally quiet and smooth, do not count on anything

[Victor Kamenev]

In the "quiet" cities of the South-East, the Bandera administration has actually been planted, the population under the pressure of neo-fascist militants, they are ready to kill, as they did in Odessa. In fact, the occupation regime of the Bandera National Guard has been established, Yarosh spoke about this. But the invaders find it uncomfortable to sit on bayonets, and they don't have much time left. A push is enough and they fly off.

[saag]

Quote: Victor Kamenev

Enough push - and they will fly off.

Of course, if the push is tank "pincers" with air support, then yes, only something tells me not to wait for such a "push"

[Victor Kamenev]

It will be enough detachment from the Donbass with greetings from the DNI!

[saag]

No, it’s obviously not enough, because there they can’t even get to Raisins, where there are to other areas, and such a detachment should be equipped with commanders and equipment, with which I’m straining now

[Controller]

Even if there is a "push", these patched maydauns will spit in our backs and shout that they have violated their independence sold to amers.

[KABAN009]

But what about the Crimean Tatars?

[Vladimirets]

Quote: KABAN009

But what about the Crimean Tatars?

Like its entire history, against Russia.

[Round cat]

Crimean Tatar rally in Simferopol passed without provocations, and it did not have a single flag of Ukraine

Contrary to the obvious propaganda lies of the Ukrainian media, there were no detentions at the rally, metal detectors hammered under the roof of avtozak, extraordinary means of policing.

The only fact that Ukrainian journalists clung to was helicopters flying over protesters. Now the FSB is accused of the fact that the helicopters were making noise especially at the very moment when the Crimean Tatars were trying to express their desire to return to a united Ukraine. As soon as they started shouting “glory to the heroes!”, A helicopter squadron flew right there, and the Ukrainian media could not capture this fact on video
due to terrible sound interference.

The rally was dedicated to the 70th anniversary of the memory of the victims of the deportation of the Crimean Tatars. In the village of Ak-Mechet on the outskirts of Simferopol, the audience performed a prayer service. Many participants held Crimean Tatar national flags with mourning ribbons in their hands. Also, the protesters held banners with the slogans: "Eternal memory to the victims of the genocide of the Crimean Tatar people", "Human rights and the rights of the people are inseparable."

Western means of propaganda did everything possible to provoke civil chaos in the Crimea. The tension around the rally methodically escalated. The Kiev-controlled media published odious statements by extremists who are ready to throw their people to bloodshed in order to fulfill an order from Washington. In Kiev, a counter-action of the mysteriously arisen “Tatars of Maidan” was organized, but it did not find a response from the Tatars of Simferopol.

It is reported that about 20 thousand people took part in the rally. including those who arrived from Kerch, Dzhankoy, Bakhchisarai, Alushta, etc.
According to the estimates of Ukrainian political technologists, there should have been about 60 thousand people at the rally, but 40 thousand were forcibly detained at the entrance to Simferopol by the Crimean police, as well as riot police who arrived from Krasnodar.

How can such a number of people be detained without a trace, Ukrainian journalists do not explain.

Most clearly about the "suppression" of the Crimean Tatar protests for a united Ukraine, about the chilling repressions against dissidents, the fact that the frankly "left out" edition of Argumenty Nedeli allowed to remove the rally from a radio-controlled helicopter.

Earlier, the organizing committee for the preparation and conduct of events dedicated to the Day of Remembrance of the Victims of Deportation decided to lower the state flags on the buildings of state institutions, enterprises and organizations in Crimea on May 18.

“The Crimean Tatar people occupy a worthy place in the political, social and cultural life of the Crimean community. The Crimean Tatar language is the state language in our Republic ”, - said on the eve of the memory day of the victims of deportation Heads of Crimea Sergey Aksenov.

Source: http://rusvesna.su/news/1400419887

[komrad.klim]

and it did not have a single flag of Ukraine
wrong infa, and flags, and from the rostrum on the mov, and Glory to Ukraine ... - the fifth column - creatures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cG5dwJQgyk

[Silkway0026]

there were a couple of flags (no longer seen). what was spoken in Ukrainian is one of the state languages ​​of the republic, so everything is gut.

But here’s what the customers wanted and Mustafa Dzhemilev, the surviving from the mind, the former head of the Mejlis, failed, everything went decently and nobly. This suggests that:
-Majlis does not express the opinion and interests of the majority of the Crimean Tatar people
- Mejlis managed to catch a fish in the "muddy water" of the weakness of the Ukrainian government, maneuvering between points of power in the country
- the sane strong power has come - everything falls into place.

[VeteranS]

My acquaintance’s relatives live in Crimea, so they said that as soon as the issuance of Russian passports began, it was the Crimean Tatars who were in the forefront, because they perfectly understood that Russia in Crimea was forever and no one would indulge them! And Dzhemilev and other former leaders of the Crimean Tatars now run around Western Europe and Turkey like cockroaches, but nobody needs them anymore, like harmful insects!

[Mainbeam]

Quote: komrad.klim

and flags

[strannik595]

I look at the actions of the Crimean Tatars and I think ...... after all, Stalin was right .... the people are rotten and unreliable

[strannik595]

Serious excesses with the Crimean Tatars in the Crimea are not happening now, but the level of negative attitude towards them is increasing.
This was stated by the ex-head of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Dzhemilev, reports Interfax.
“There were no serious excesses after the murder of a young man who opposed the occupation,” he said at a briefing on Thursday in Kiev.
At the same time, Dzhemilev pointed out that certain threatening statements and insults sound. “The chauvinistic tone has increased,” he emphasized.
Dzhemilev said that already about 5 thousand Crimean Tatars were forced to leave their homeland. Mostly they moved to western Ukraine.

Meetings on the anniversary of the deportation of Crimean Tatars took place in Crimea. And during these rallies, an amazing resolution was adopted demanding a change in the status of Crimea. The essence of the requirements is to make the peninsula a national-territorial autonomy. That is, turn Crimea into the Crimean Khanate, into the national republic of Crimean Tatars.

As a priority measure, they demand that the changed Crimean Tatar names be returned to the peninsula, that the Mejlis and Kurultay be given official status and quotas for Crimean Tatars are introduced in the local legislative and executive authorities. In other words, the Tatars demand that they be given control of the peninsula.

The Crimean Tatar Mejlis has appointed the slogan "Crimea is ours!" As its main goal, in the sense - Tatar. But there are only 250 thousand Tatars on the peninsula, Russians also live in Crimea, who also consider him their homeland, or rather, an integral part of their homeland - Russia, and of which 1,5 million live in Crimea. If we add local Ukrainians and Belarusians to the Russians, who are completely Russified and differ from Russians only by writing in the column “nationality” during the census, then the percentage of Russians will become absolutely dominant among the population. And in the case of the fulfillment of the cherished dream of the Crimean Tatar Majlis, this absolute majority will be an oppressed minority. And first of all, as a subject of politics, since the meaning of the existence of any national republic in the Russian Federation lies precisely in order to establish a monopoly on the power of a particular ethnic group in a particular territory.

[mamont5]

It is necessary to wait a little. And by winter, the maydanutyes themselves will gnaw and their so-called "government" will hang out on the Maidan instead of Christmas tree decorations.

[volot-voin]

After the election, the repressive apparatus will spin, supporters of the Maidan will begin to kill each other, put them in jail, a sea of ​​mud will pour out. I wish them to safely disappear. It is a pity that a lot of blood of innocent people will be shed.
I hope our grandmaster knows what he is doing and will win this game and Ukraine will be with us again.

[werewolf]

For those who shout: "Why Putin is silent and does not do anything" I will try to explain something (although I do not pretend to be an analyst "So the rating of Donetsk before the referendum. For the republic within Ukraine-23%, For the DPR within Russia 28 %, For an independent DPR - 40% ... Correctly submitted question to the referendum “For the DPR or not?” And Victory. Our little men have nothing to do there - the DPR is not ripe yet. Donbass does not want to fight. but ... so far it’s tight Where is 20000 bayonets of the Luhansk partisan?) DPR actually controls 1/3 of the territory Deputy Strelkov "Abwehr" I got one analytical article about all this (Who cares, send me a copy of the article to my mailbox tomorrow. Sorry I lost it on the Internet) The bottom line is something like this - Akhmetov was behind all this (why the referendum about walked). A 12. his people were removed from the DPR leadership.

[Victor Kamenev]

Akhmetov no longer has a road to Kiev; there, at best, the fate of Firtash is prepared for him, with extradition to the US, they will find a pretext. He will continue to energetically support the DPR, since this is his only lifeline. Rinat is a smart man, and he knows that the West will never forgive his friendship with Yanukovych. And revenge.

[werewolf]

Akhmetov’s plan was something like this: Controlling the leadership of the DPR through its people to create a DND in Mariupol (this was also written in the media), this DND should also consist of his people (something like the Dnepr battalion) and open the road to Donetsk through Mariupol south . But ... after 12.05. (When his people were neutralized) he was confronted with a fact and he chose Kiev. (See Akhmetov’s interview) He said for extended powers but as part of Ukraine!

[mig31]

The future of the people of Little Russia, in the hands of the people of Little Russia, these are the chess ...

[omsbon]

Quote: mig31

The future of the people of Little Russia, in the hands of the people of Little Russia, these are the chess ...

Actually, the article is about New Russia.

[Bobxnumx]

What is unfolding in Ukraine is not a dual power, it is worse - every appanage prince, and they consider themselves to be: Yarosh, Poroshenko, Turchynov, Tymoshenko, Akhmetov, create their own "armies" and have their own ambitious plans. And what will become of the country when all this picks up the proper pace, only God knows, but it looks like a lot of blood will be spilled. And I think Putin is right to take a wait-and-see attitude, we need to wait and see. To support Novorossia morally, and with weapons, and let the rest gnaw at each other.

[Giant thought]

And Novorossia should be helped more actively and powerfully so that the chess game does not go into a stalemate.

[Ural resident]

Do not forget that in the near future elections to the European Parliament
and Russian politics is an important factor. If the actions of the current European Commissioners in relation to Ukraine turn out to be a failure, then there is a chance that other forces will go to parliament and, in the future, it will be easier for us to work with them

[VeteranS]

Quote: A resident of the Urals

Do not forget that in the near future elections to the European Parliament
and Russian politics is an important factor. If the actions of the current European Commissioners in relation to Ukraine turn out to be a failure, then there is a chance that other forces will go to parliament and, in the future, it will be easier for us to work with them

I completely agree ! As an example, the position of French right-wing leader Marie Lipen, who openly supported Russia's policy on Ukraine, is very strong before the European Parliament elections, and then there will be Hungarian nationalists who will have their own score for the Kiev junta .... etc, etc. .Historical time works for Russia!

[brelok]

Quote: KABAN009

But what about the Crimean Tatars?

Everything is okay! What take off we will not Ukraine: order and legality

[Barakuda]

It’s easy for you to write. And they regularly knock at my apartment at night. Bulldog warns, thanks to the dog. Makar under the pillow I hold, I survived .. In the afternoon, everything is quiet. chess in life ..... The result of my writing on the VO. Reptiles struck.

[Victor Kamenev]

And if you have a rest in the country? Two months will probably be enough.

[Artyom]

IP encrypt! There is a program!

[archi.sailor]

I tried to use similar programs, not really, I simply can’t get into some sites even with my username and password

[archi.sailor]

and who is knocking? not interested? Are the Tatars really?

[skyyl]

Putin said yesterday, “The consequences will be extremely dangerous!” This means that our grandmaster knows the continuation of the game, at least it has been so until today.

[Barakuda]

Knowing is silent!

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: skayl

Putin said yesterday, “The consequences will be extremely dangerous!” This means that our grandmaster knows the continuation of the game, at least it has been so until today.

I wrote even before the elections: the troops will not enter the DPR, until the logical conclusion of the revolution! Why bother? Let the junta work for Russia itself, the United States will crack up with money, the EU will explain to the citizens why the Nazis are being helped! And let the Ukrainians be full of "independence"! then the GDP is all in white ...

[Eugeniy_369k]

As Danton used to say

Revolution devours its children

I think to replace Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Yarosh, etc. other people will come, more accommodating, compromising. And these soon will bite themselves.

[comprochikos]

As the current will appear so-called. "president", the opposition will immediately appear, i.e. those people who were left behind and did not get to the trough, like that late piglet who gets a tit near .... And everything will start all over again.

[VeteranS]

Yulka on her broomstick already promises Poroshenko a new Maidan if he comes to power ... and this whistle of the "maydanuts" will not last long, until the entire South-East becomes Novorossia, and Bandera "Galicia" escapes ... to the Military Tribunal.

[Cynic]

Quote: Eugeniy_369k

I think to replace Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Yarosh, etc. other people will come, more accommodating, compromising.

Believe in miracles?
Such people , more accommodating, compromise , fundamentally, they cannot come to power in an atmosphere of civil war.
Do not agree ? Give an example, this civil war is not the first in the world!
Bye in History _

The revolution is being replaced by counter-revolution, and then restoration!

[yulka2980]

It is interesting that recently I read an article on a Lithuanian site (Kasparov: Putin got into zugzwang - any step worsens the position), written by Kasparov and there he claims that Putin is losing the match! In general, a lot of dirt is written about Russia on this site http: // en.delfi.lt/news/politics/kasparov-putin-popal-v-cugcvang-lyuboj-shag-uhu
dshaet-poziciyu.d? id = 64750289
Although what else to expect from the Lithuanians ??

[Artyom]

Kasparov was a good chess player, but no politician!

[Silkway0026]

that's who would blather, Kasparov ... survived, no one gave citizenship, as they shied away from the plague ...

[sledge]

And many on this forum urged urgently to send troops, to save the brothers of the Slavs, well, etc. etc. What's up Putin? Well, for starters, he doesn’t read such forums - he just plays his game. GRANDMASTER!

[Barakuda]

He has a staff of analysts, they also monitor, we do not forget what kind of GDP education had before the presidency.

[Prapor Afonya]

Quote: Balamyt

For some reason, it seems to me that everything seems to calm down, before the storm, what will begin after May 25th. Now everyone has diverged in their corners. The gong will sound 25.

After 25, another war will begin, a war for power, neither side will recognize the victory of the other, and then I hope the rats will eat each other!

[skyyl]

Yesterday I talked with my son (he remained under the contract to serve), since the end of March, our troops have been at the galley of Ukrainians, and there are specialists and gru and airborne officers in Belgorod region. near Nechaevka and nobody was taken away from there

[Artyom]

The presence of troops at the border is a sword of Damocles over the Kiev regime! It keeps the "junta" from using massively heavy weapons and aircraft, which contributes to the successful defense of the militia!

[vladimirZ]

skyyl
Yesterday I talked with my son (he remained under the contract to serve), since the end of March, our troops have been at the galley of Ukrainians, and there are specialists and gru and airborne officers in Belgorod region. near Nechaevka and nobody was taken away from there

If you have this information, be mindless not to chat and not to substitute Russia, the Russian Army. Chatterbox is a godsend for the enemy.

[Controller]

Well, you and spy! Yes, everyone knows that. Why scream like that.

[Dejavu]

My heart feels - a panel with a scythe will sit again

[amicus]

On the second call !!! The camera has not cooled down yet

[bistrov.]

The presidential elections in Ukraine will change little in the current situation. Firstly, I doubt that Poroshenko-Waltzman will win in the first round, that is, he will gain more than 50% of the votes, which means there will be three more weeks of "anarchy", and in these three weeks there will be a lot can happen. Secondly, according to opinion polls, although I do not trust them very much, Tymoshenko will most likely not make it to the second round of the presidential elections, because according to them, Sergei Tigipko is now in second place in the rating. And the situation may turn out to be rather unpleasant for Poroshenko, when he loses the second round to Tigipko. Tigipko is a rather realistic thinking politician, he was not involved in conspiracies, in talking with neo-fascists, like Poroshenko, and it is likely that the voters will choose him. Then the political situation is in Ukraine could change dramatically again. Of course, he will have to endure the war with the neo-Nazis, who managed to penetrate deeply into all state and ideological structures of Ukraine in two months, and here a lot will depend on his will and determination. As for "Mrs." Timoshenko-Kapitelman-Grigyan, I think that "her song has been sung" and now she can show little, that is. she will have to leave her political career. And thirdly, much now depends on the leaders of the newly proclaimed republics, how quickly they will be able to unfold and what position Russia (read Putin) will take in relation to them: will it provide them with comprehensive assistance, will they be able to quickly create and arm their armed forces, etc. .d. Maybe it will happen that by the end of the presidential elections there will already be two Ukraine and it will be necessary to elect not one, but two presidents. Mr. Kamenev said nothing about the economic component, and it is extremely difficult and explosive in Ukraine, and again here a lot depends on Russia. And Putin is still silent and waiting, here Mr. Kamenev is right.

[e_krendel]

Western "comrades" will announce the "necessary" winner even with a margin of 1 vote (absolutely democratic), and even if only 1 person comes to the polls (the candidate himself).

[Victor Kamenev]

Better just "Victor Kamenev". The article is not on economics, but Rabinovich, precisely for economic reasons, calls for recognition of reality. After all, Ukraine is really bankrupt, and therefore the revolution will inevitably continue. You are right about the elections, perhaps if they were fair. But they are dictated by the State Department, so Poroshenko will "win", and only Tymoshenko can be outraged by this. It doesn't matter what she sings, but she is reckless enough and has the resources for this. Which neither Tigipko nor others have. Politics in Ukraine today is a very dirty business ...

[bistrov.]

Quote: Victor Kamenev

Western "comrades" will announce the "necessary" winner even with a margin of 1 goal

Quote: Victor Kamenev

But they are dictated by the State Department, so Poroshenko will "win"

Still, I would not say so unequivocally. I admit the possibility of all-encompassing falsification in the modern development of political technologies. But we must also bear in mind the almost total control of all electoral authorities by Tymoshenko's people, who are not profitable for falsifications in favor of Poroshenko. In fact, now the country is running the country. Tymoshenko, acting through his people, who have settled in all ministries and departments, even if the minister is from nationalist "freedom".

[arch_kate3]

It would be nice for these revolutionaries to recall that after Lenin and Trotsky Stalin came ... and the 37th year ...

[Cynic]

Quote: arch_kate3

.and the 37th year ...

Oh well .
And what was 37 after 38, are you up to date ?! At 38, just those who repressed the enemies of the people at 37 ?!
And there were a lot of such years!

[yehat]

You would study the story. Trotsky and Lenin were 10 times bloodier than Stalin!
Especially Trotsky. He caused great harm to his country and this is not a reprint. We still hear his idea of ​​an aggressive export of communism.

[Nataliya]

After the revolutionary intoxication, sooner or later, "sobering up" comes. Those who have at least some fragments of conscience will be horrified at what they have done and will try to fix at least something. The main thing is not to be irrevocably late ...

[MG42]

After the revolution, as a rule, a dictatorship ensues. If Tymoshenko (Grigyan) is chosen = then Krants.

[Dmitry 2246]

After the "February" there is "October".
And if someone thinks that he knows how events will develop, he can be very disappointed.

[MG42]

Quote: Dmitry 2246

After the "February" there is "October".

But not in Kiev, there may be something else when the armed radicals of the pravoseki cut off the Byut top.

[Nataliya]

Quote: yulka2980

It is interesting that recently I read an article on a Lithuanian site (Kasparov: Putin got into zugzwang - any step worsens the position), written by Kasparov and there he claims that Putin is losing the match! In general, a lot of dirt is written about Russia on this site http: // en.delfi.lt/news/politics/kasparov-putin-popal-v-cugcvang-lyuboj-shag-uhu

dshaet-poziciyu.d? id = 64750289
Although what else to expect from the Lithuanians ??

And what else to expect from Kasparov? Renegade!

[Dave36]

By the way, Tigipko gave a very real interview to the Russian media .. not a Russophobe, like he is in Russian))

[andj61]

Tigipko is a real politician who could keep the situation in Ukraine in the way that Russia needs - friendly neutrality. But there’s practically no chance to win, but it’s a pity

[comprochikos]

The plans of the USA and the European Union do not include his victory in the elections. And the opinion of the people does not matter.

[zoknyay82]

Most likely, all this whistle-blowing will last until November, when last year’s preparations will end, there will be no salaries, pensions, work. There will be no gas, money for the purchase of firewood will also not be, but Santa Claus will come, well if affectionate, not fierce. Then it will reach Great Ukrov.

[Dave36]

There, without revolutions, the devastation is complete, and now the full PPC will come. Nobody will give money in fact ...

[cerbuk6155]

Wait and see. It’s too early to talk about anything. We need to see further developments.

[Fish supervision]

After Strelkov’s appeal to the inhabitants of the DPR, he was once again convinced of the wisdom of the GDP, who should decide their future if not the residents? It’s hard to get water under a lying stone, citizens will lie on the stove, they will soon lick bricks (just in rhyme) instead of lard. then determine your own future

[Gray 43]

After the election, Tymoshenko will either shoot herself three times or hang herself three times in prison, but no one will keep her — she is slag. Yarosh can be bought with a portfolio in the ministries of the power block, but also not for long, he knows too much. The elections in Ukraine during the civil war going on there are already illegitimate, since not all the people elect, but the West recognizes any-the bet is on faithful people

[pensioner]

Then Obama was the first to congratulate President Yanukovych on his victory, and “threw” Tymoshenko, and today the United States defiantly relies on billionaire Poroshenko, and again “throw” Tymoshenko! This is very insulting to the little girl

Indeed ... If only they would have fucked up with African passion, otherwise they would have taken it and just abandoned it. Twice...
Yulia’s behavior resembles a joke about a cat and a garbage dump, where Vaska constantly rapes her, but she goes there anyway ... Did the cat receive fleshly joys from this process, and the yuliaka gets WHAT?

[Nataliya]

Quote: MIKHAN

The West was asleep and saw that Russia would send troops so dreamed about it and were preparing to "raise a howl" Bummer them!

- Benny, what is happening there in Ukraine?
- Ukraine is at war with Russia.
- And sho, how are you?
“Well, Ukraine has lost two million civilians, the Crimean peninsula, several helicopters, a couple of dozen armored personnel carriers, many soldiers were killed, and two large areas in the east are still on the verge of transition to Russia.”
- And what about the Russians?
- You won’t believe it, they didn’t come to the war at all.

[xbhxbr-777]

HERE is the true truth, albeit anecdotal!

[Bombardier]

A funny article, though not in the top newspaper, but ...
Russia as the dark side of the moon ("Salon", USA)
The lies about Ukraine continue: the primitive prejudices, stupidity and reflex compliance of the New York Times


Read more: http://www.inosmi.ru/world/20140519/220397309.html#ixzz328iCIPRd

[Avenich]

Quote: yulka2980

I read an article (Kasparov: Putin got into zugzwang - any step worsens the position) written by Kasparov and there he claims that Putin is losing the match!

Kasparov is a chess genius in our country, and he was nicknamed "the long-playing player" at one time.

[Mainbeam]

Quote: yulka2980

Kasparov: Putin got into zugzwang - any step worsens the position,
Kasparov claims Putin is losing the match!

I agree with Kasparov that at the moment any step of the Russian Federation leads to a loss. BUT!

Firstly, we do not play chess. The Maidanites are still "walking and walking," and not waiting for reciprocal moves "according to the rules." For example, today there was an article about the execution in the Ukrainian army. And the situation in Ukraine is changing regardless of Putin's "moves".

Secondly, Putin is still silent. He will wait for a more palatable situation, when, according to Kasparov's terminology, the Maidanites will drive themselves into a stalemate, or they will lose to themselves, or the Ukrainians, armed with this "party", will win against the Maidanites.

So let's wait and see. Soon there will be elections in Ukraine, and elections in the European Union, and the alleged gas cutoff. The situation in the country and in the "party" is changing. Putin is waiting.

[Mainbeam]

One must have a certain courageto predict the course of events after the elections in Ukraine. As Mikhail Leontiev said: "The elections will take place even if only Poroshenko comes to them." But then I don't know what will happen, because the elections do not decide anything. Will Julia brandish atomic weapons? Or will nothing change and everything will remain unstable? Or will the Yankos bring in troops? Do the Yankos have plans for the next period or have they not been able to come up with anything yet?

Nothing is clear to me yet
.

[xbhxbr-777]

Apparently, terror has been unleashed against civilians, and there is nothing left to do but to arm yourself, and Russia needs to allow people who want to help the East to act!

[Russian Uzbek]

Russia's goal is not to chop off a couple of regions from Banderland! (a special conversation with Crimea is the pearl of the Empire and it should belong to its real master and not to Bandera’s thieves)
and not bringing peace with bayonets! Why ??? in order to continue whining about "stolen a dream ???" again, the Ukrainian question must be resolved once and for all! and for this, the Trypillians must drink from the cup of disasters to the bottom ... in order for it to reach them, to their very insides ... and so that they themselves would come running shouting: "Save Russia!" everything is as always! rushed about, rushed like two whores between two beds, drank everything, walked away, left without pants and naked ... resorted to Russia with the words: "Take us, we are defective!"
it was, it is, it will be so ...

[Controller]

That's right!!! +++. Hi, neighbor.
Russian Turkmen.

[nikrandel]

Let the star Jen Psaki come to Kiev for the elections on May 25, and there she will learn what electoral "carousels" are.
Carousel is a way of voting when the organizers of the "carousel" who want to influence the voting results receive a filled out ballot, after which they go to the polling station, according to all the rules, receive an empty ballot, go to the booth with it, but lower the first ballot into the ballot box, and the second (empty) discreetly removes from the site, after which he must give it to the organizers of the "carousel", who fill out this ballot and pass it to the next participant.
I think in Kiev everything will be explained to her in an accessible way!

[parus2nik]

Quote: Russian Uzbek

a special conversation with Crimea is the pearl of the Empire and it should belong to its real master and not to Bandera thieves

Here, the situation is somewhat different, this pearl might not have been in the crown .. In fact, the juntians donated this pearl themselves ... and they understand it ... because such a howl .. They wanted to give the pearl to the USA .. But it turned out, they threw it their sponsors ..

[mackonya]

Honestly, I don’t even know what Ukraine will expect in 2014, there seems to be a hope for a peaceful outcome, but the economic forecast for Ukraine will not get better, the main thing is not to go into the acute phase of the civil war, when thousands of victims are counted.

[parus2nik]

After February, October comes ... wait, the July events and the rebellion of General Kornilov are still coming .. Here in what region of Ukraine will happen?

[parus2nik]

Passing ... time will tell ... and we will judge ..

[MG42]

In this formidable situation, it seems that only Rabinovich, indeed pro-Ukrainian, defends the chance for Ukraine, of the remaining presidential candidates: to recognize all post-February political realities and urgently restore relations with Russia. And what are his chances to win?

Is this a joke about Rabinovich ?? So this is the friendship of Kolomoisky

[Gorinich]

These are just two hands of the Jewish lobby. One option will not work, use another.

[Agat]

"In Donetsk, the Ukrainian special forces unit" Jaguar "surrendered
http://novorossia.su/node/1605
Most would have surrendered already !!!

[kodxnumx]

article + I absolutely agree that the rush is needed to catch fleas! The USA needs to hurry, this is a fact, but we can think about which next move we need to make, the Ukrainian Armed Forces I think now we’ve already decided and they will soon follow their course of history, then GDP and will take its turn, we’ll see!

[Gexzloy]

nonsense
Russia's goal is to prevent Ukraine from falling under the influence of the West.
It is ideal to leave it under its sphere of influence.
The Ukrainian people are divided into two parts, some see a bright future in Europe, others see stability in Russia, we have a mess.

And throw these imperial ways, the 21st century in the yard, the whole world lives differently.
Reduce megalomania too, if only you would all crawl in front of you on your knees, this is the lot of losers with inferiority complexes.

[bistrov.]

Quote from GexZloy

And throw these imperial manners, the 21st century in the yard, the whole world lives differently

Are you serious? Something I did not notice. I see not only, as you say, "imperial manners" and very frank robbery, but also constant direct military intervention of individual countries, or a group of countries that for some reason consider themselves to be carriers of democracy. Can you give specific examples or figure it out yourself?

[Cynic]

Quote: bistrov.

Something I did not notice.

For example _

[Gorinich]

Russia's goal is to survive. And today in Ukraine there is a war for survival.

[AndreyS]

Quote from GexZloy

And throw these imperial ways, the 21st century in the yard, the whole world lives differently.

Who lives differently ???? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe the USA ?!

[Yasondinalt]

Both the USA and Europe, only Russians live in the last century, they still remember the word honor, they still don’t finish lying, they still cheer their souls. Lord, how ancient we are!

[Gecko]

Are you naive or stupid? But the US and the EU are not empires?
You are trying to justify your betrayal and search for a place where the grub is fatter.

[Cynic]

Quote from GexZloy

to prevent Ukraine from falling under the influence of the West.

Where is she now?
...
The fact is that Ukraine is there!

Quote from GexZloy

the whole world lives differently.

Enlighten the orphans and the wretched, is it different?
So _

[fyvaprold]

Quote from GexZloy

And throw these imperial ways, the 21st century in the yard, the whole world lives differently.

How, may I ask? They rob, kill and leave, without "annexation"?

[arch_kate3]

So divide yourself peacefully through a referendum!

[Yasondinalt]

Why, then, can the United States try to prevent Ukraine from falling into the sphere of influence of Russia, but not Russia? What imperial ways. You really don’t see anyone with these habits? And what megalomania? Russians are a unifying nation, it can be seen without a microscope, it is really a great nation. But who wants to stand before him on our knees and crawl we saw. So what are you talking about nonsense!

[MG42]

in the Ukrainian party of the USA - Russia, the “grandmaster” Vladimir Putin made the following move after Crimea: no troops were sent to Southeastern Ukraine, the Crimean scenario in Donbass will not be repeated. But he was so expected, anticipated after the beginning of the punitive expedition of the Bandera National Guard in the Donbass and Odessa Khatyn, and which, as it were, were hinted at by the “battalion maneuvers” of Russia on the border with Ukraine.

Well, if you sit for a long time on the bank of the river, you can see the corpse of an enemy that floats with the flow = this position was taken by <grossmester> Putin, do nothing, or maybe it was the sanctions of the West that hit the inner circle of the GDP?

The United States did not expect this - Russia again surprised! - And the State Department had to justify the crimes of Ukrainian neo-Nazis in Slavyansk, Odessa and Mariupol, staining its reputation with Nazism.

I don’t give a damn about the STATES and their reputation that they justify there that only lazy people don’t know psaki.
Here it isn’t easier, Putin’s silence was delayed and would say yes yes no no and that’s it.

[aleks700]

I don’t give a damn about the STATES and their reputation that they justify there that only lazy people don’t know psaki.
Here it isn’t easier, Putin’s silence was delayed and would say yes yes no no and that’s it.

I support. The same impression is emerging.

[fyvaprold]

Quote: MG42

Putin's silence has dragged on

"Silence is golden at home ...". Everything is according to the song. Well, right not with Molotov cocktails to him (Putin) to go to Euromaidan, to disperse the junta ?!

[arch_kate3]

Oh well! Your "bump" knows better what to say to Putin! Silence does not mean inaction.

[Watson J.]

Those. Should GDP openly expose its plan of action to enemies? Not funny.
Be patient. Events are already developing at breakneck speed, much faster than changing attitudes. And cooking takes time. You can’t cook potatoes in 1 minute, no matter how much you would like to.

[Nataliya]

Quote: Barracuda

Knowing is silent!

)))Буквально минуту назад, читая очередную статью на иносми, прочла там очень забавную цитату (автор, к сожалению не известен), которая явно станет современной поговоркой: "В России есть три страшные вещи: вой сибирской метели, рев медведя и молчание Путина".

[Not angry]

Ясно одно ситуация на Украине сложная решение ее дело времени. Пока ЕС и США активно помогают поддерживают хунту решить его вводом ВС РФ не возможно. Пока Россия не найдет аргументов которые остановят помощь и поддержку хунте проблема не разрешится. Ждем.

[aleks700]

Госдепу пришлось оправдывать преступления украинских неонацистов в Славянске, Одессе и Мариуполе, пятная свою репутацию нацизмом.

Да плевать им на репутацию. Кто, кроме России, им слово поперёк скажет?

[saag]

Quote: MainBeam

Во-вторых, Путин пока молчит.

А ему все равно говорить сейчас нечего, он просто ждет визита в Китай и подписания газового договора, что дает ему некий тыл, альтернативный источник финансовых поступлений, во-вторых он ждет 25 мая, когда утвердят Порошенко. чтобы уже далее с ним работать, у него (Порошенко) в дебатах проскочило слово "федерализация", Тигипко к примеру утверждает, что выход из кризиса только в результате переговоров, таким образом Порошенко будет вести переговоры с Юго-Востоком, что-то им предложит, у Юго-Востока будет русский язык, некая самостоятельность, компания Бурисма получит возможность добывать сланцевый газ в Донецкой области, у Путина рейтинг опять повысится, электорат будет в едином порыве "одобрямс", только Стрелков сотоварищи будут задаваться вопросом за что же они тогда воевали?

[Nataliya]

Quote: Dr.Faust.Patron

Автор не прав. Не стоит упрощать, не ждали штаты от Путина ввода войск. Это был бы фатальный в своей предсказуемости и нелогичности шаг, тем более, что Путин и не давал повода в уверенности в экспансии РФ на ЮВ. Всем понятно, что крымский сценарий уникален и неприменим для ЮВ.

Так таки не ждали? Удивительно. Об этом так много пишут в различных изданиях (не только в этой статье), но, получается, только Вы знаете правду о планах и ожиданиях ГосДепа (Штатов). Вот и ещё пример статьи по поводу ожиданий США:
http://inosmi.ru/world/20140519/220413778.html
Одна из многих на эту тему, просто последняя по времени. Странно, как-то избирательно Вы читаете прессу и интернет-прессу)

[Gexzloy]

Хуже всего то, что имеем сейчас, украинский народ практически не влияет на ситуацию, плывём по течению и не понятно куда оно вынесет.

[ussr1960]

Так возьмите весла и начинайте грести, а сидеть на дне лодки и ждать о какой камень разобьет, да молиться господу о заступничестве - дело безнадежное. Точно потонете.

[MG42]

Россия могла бы помочь даже просто манёврами возле укрианской границы, в этом случае хунта просто вынуждена будет отвести часть своих боеспособных войск от Славянска. Что же мы сейчас видим, Россия полностью отвела свои войска, а госдеп США всё время звонит с угрозами Путину, они в спутник разглядели войска под Ростовым не в казармах и не на полигоне. Примерно 70 км от украинской границы... =Что Россия не имеет права теперь двигать войска по своей земле а спрашивать разрешение у Госдепа США.

Правда скоро будут учения 21 мая 26 Мая в Воронежской области с участием авиации ВС РФ, пока всё.

[siberalt]

Описанная история современного человечества от Потопа до Обамы - всего лишь сплошная аналогия тому что было и чего сейчас низзяяя. И прорыва в познании не произойдет, пока вся эта "хрень-облочка" не лопнет под напором истинного единого понимания содержания бытия. При том возникнет вопрос о расах, как вторичных признаках в "половом" созревании люда мирского после "дотварного" мира. В том то и весь узел. Кто его развязать осмелится?

[BelPartizan]

Вот интересно! Когда нибудь появятся на самой Украине нормальные, проукраинские силы или сопротивление, которое будет воевать за Украину, но за Украину нормальную, без Бендеровцев, фашистов и националистов. За такую Украину, которая будет любить и уважать всех своих граждан любой национальности, так как с самого начала происходит у нас в Беларуси. Ну должны же быть настоящие патриоты Украины? Ну ведь не может не быть? Где они все? Где все те кто любит Украину, но по настоящему. Вот этого только не могу понять. Прорусски настроеные есть, бандеровцы есть, а где нормальные Украинцы? Что все так печально?

[Python Kaa]

Вероятно, мне часто придётся озвучивать тезис, что, с точки зрения кибернетики, человеческий организм и человеческое общество являются сложноорганизованными системами и управляются по одним и тем же законом.
Хирурги, анестезиологи, реаниматологи сталкиваются с критическими ситуациями ежедневно по нескольку раз в день. Поэтому, у них существует чёткий алгоритм действий. Позволю себе небольшой медицинский текст. Экстраполируйте на Украину и всё станет понятно.
«В начале 80-х годов была предложена концепция ближайшей (немедленной) тотальной помощи (early total саге - ETC), которая предполагала хирургическое лечение всех повреждений - как полостных, так и ортопедических, в первые 24 ч. Эта концепция применялась универсально во всех группах пострадавших, независимо от тяжести и распространенности повреждений. Однако в конце 80-х годов стало ясно, что ETC не является универсальной системой и эффективна только у пациентов, не имеющих критических повреждений (хотя они и составляют большинство). Длительные оперативные процедуры в раннем периоде сочетанной травмы приводили к летальному исходу, особенно при значительных торакальных, абдоминальных и черепно-мозговых повреждениях. Смерть пострадавших наступала как в первые часы после травмы во время проведения этих операций так и на 5-7-е сутки - от развившихся тяжелых осложнений. Для улучшения исходов лечения наиболее тяжелых политравм была предложена система так называемого «damage control» (контроль повреждений), согласно которой оперативное лечение повреждений как внутренних органов, так и опорно-двигательного аппарата расчленяется на два этапа: в первые сутки выполняются минимальные жизнеспасающие непродолжительные операции типа мини-трепанации черепа, лапаротомии с наложением зажимов на ножку селезенки и тампонадой разрыва печени, пункционной эпицистомии и т.п., а переломы крупных костей, прежде всего бедра, иммобилизируются аппаратами наружной фиксации. Затем пострадавшему проводится интенсивная терапия до полной стабилизации гемодинамических и других показателей гомеостаза и через 1-2 сут выполняются восстановительные операции на внутренних органах, а через 5-7 сут и позже - малоинвазивный остеосинтез переломов длинных костей. Такая тактика значительно улучшила исходы тяжелых политравм и позволила сохранять жизнь и здоровье пострадавшим, ранее считавшимся безнадежными.»
То есть, не нужно даже пытаться решить на Украине всё и сразу путём оккупации, введения военного положения, комендантского часа с русскими патрулями на улицах, создания оккупационной администрации, и т.д.
Первый этап – прекращение огня.
Второй этап – скрепя сердце, но признать легитимность нового президента Украины (чтобы было хоть с кем вести переговоры по газу) и, одновременно, признание ДНР и ЛНР.
Третий этап – максимальная поддержка Новороссии, а для оставшейся Украины – стандартная терапия; лечебное голодание, трудотерапия, охлаждение кипящего разума путём пресечения воровства газа, вплоть до отключения.

[Cristall]

Quote: andj61

Tigipko is a real politician who could keep the situation in Ukraine in the way that Russia needs - friendly neutrality. But there’s practically no chance to win, but it’s a pity

после снятия Симоненко в патовой ситуации не знаю за кого голосовать(голосование Против всех приведет к победе Порошенко)
За Тигибко голосовал на прошлых выборах...не совсем доволен его действиями, но на фоне всех киевских--он еще какой то трезвый в суждениях. Да и уповает на мирные решения. Да и вроде без риторики в сторону РФ. Может это и есть гражданский компромисс?

[Semenov]

Кураинцы не хотели учить историю (придумали свою)и теперь ее уроки проходят заново, на себе. Революция - гражданская война - распад государства - сношение Киева и страны неизвестно кем и сколько раз - извращенные союзы и позы - а тут старый добрый сосед в гости приглашает. Еще пару-тройку месяцев - и Киев как спелый плод сам упадет в наши руки. Может даже очищенный. А диктатуры уже не будет - диктаторов очень много.

[Gexzloy]

Quote: bistrov.

Вам привести конкретные примеры или сами сообразите?

Приведите мне примеры при которых государства расширяли свои территории, ведь мы говорим о имперских замашках.

[Gecko]

Вы про наглую экспансию ЕС?

[bistrov.]

Quote from GexZloy

Приведите мне примеры при которых государства расширяли свои территории, ведь мы говорим о имперских замашках.

Вы что? Прикалываетесь ,что-ли? Может вам привести в пример европейские страны,к примеру Англию,или Испанию,которые в свое время захватили нагло пол мира,жили за счет колоний,нещадно эксплуатируя их.А как назвать сегодняшнюю политику США,которые повсюду суют нос,устанавливая свои "демократические" порядки, а на самом деле под этим видом захватывая и оккупируя страны своими транснациональными корпорациями? Причем они не стесняются делать это военной силой,разрушая саму инфраструктуру этих стран и уничтожая местных жителей. Они весь мир открыто объявили зоной своих интересов!Для чего им десять атомных авианосцев? Для самообороны? Фашизм возник именно в Европе,он и был создан для удовлетворения ее имперских амбиций.Его цена 50 млн. человеческих жизней! А как назвать современную политику Евросоюза,если не имперской,когда три страны живут за счет непрерывного поглощения своих соседей,превращая по сути их в пустыню? Так были уничтожены цветущая Югославия,Греция,Болгария,Румыния,Прибалти
ка наконец.Они добрались уже и до Украины! ЕС-это уродливый конгломерат,который извращает саму человеческую душу. Порождение дьявола,представителем которого является папа римский, объявленный наместником бога! А Украина? Нагло присвоила в 1991 году не принадлежащие ей территории ,воспользовавшись ,что у власти в России находился в то время безвольный маразматический алкоголик,да еще принялась на этих территориях проводить насильственную украинизацию!Жила 23 года за счет этих захваченных территорий,пока окончательно не высосала из них все соки,содержа за счет них вашу мерзкую Галичину.Если это не имперские замашки,то что это? От вас закрыв глаза убежал Крым,убегают Донецк,Луганск и все остальные русские регионы,которые вы стараетесь удержать силой оружия,заставляя убивать своих же граждан своими гражданами.Неоколониальная европейская политика в исполнении галичанских бандеро-фашистов,вот как это называется.Рассказывать вам азбучные истины дальше?

[Gexzloy]

Quote: kod3001

ВС Украины думаю сейчас уже доконца определились и скоро последует их ход на чью сторону истории они встанут,вот тогда ВВП и зделоет свой ход,будем посмотреть!

Против России украинская армия воевать не будет.

Quote: bistrov.

Вам привести конкретные примеры или сами сообразите?

Если не затруднит, я думаю вы согласитесь что фраза "имперские замашки" подразумевает расширение своей территории за счёт другого государства.

[Lukich]

Quote from GexZloy

фраза "имперские замашки" подразумевает расширение своей территории за счёт другого государства.

с помощью военной силы.

[Stanislas]

Quote from GexZloy

"имперские замашки"

Если бы Украина освободилась от своих имперских замашек, то многие "её" земли уже бы спокойно вернулись домой, либо образовали самостоятельное государство Новороссию, а возможно и Малороссию. Остались бы самые упёртые и незалежные украинцы, которые бы наводили у себя свой бандеровский порядок.

[Russ69]

В Луганской Народной Республике в трёх километрах от границы с Россией идёт бой. Life News...

Вроде, еще бой начался под Успенкой...

По рации слышал, что вчера отловили снайпершу из Прибалтики, в Краматорске.
Насколько правда, не знаю...

[Gexzloy]

Quote: BelPartizan

Прорусски настроеные есть, бандеровцы есть, а где нормальные Украинцы? Что все так печально?

Моё мнение нам очень не везёт с руководителями, поэтому нас и шатает туда сюда, запад спит и видит чтобы Украина попала под их сферу влияния, а Россия Украину не отдаст никогда. Вот нас и разрывает как прокладку между западом и востоком.

[Stanislas]

Quote from GexZloy

Россия Украину не отдаст никогда.

Отдавала уже на 23 года, пока Украина не начала скакать на майдане против тех, кто не скачет. У остальных украинцев, которые пока не скачут, есть право самим определить свою историю (такое не каждому народу в жизни выпадает, чаще вынуждают скакать).

Quote from GexZloy

запад спит и видит чтобы Украина попала под их сферу влияния

. Не только не спит, бодрствует и допингу даёт скакунам.

[Russ69]

Болотов о своем покушении и задержании на границе

[Gexzloy]

Quote: Russ69

В Луганской Народной Республике в трёх километрах от границы с Россией идёт бой

Там уже вторую неделю бои идут, просто подход у нас с вами разный.
Большинство украинцев воспринимают это как уничтожение незаконных банд формирований.
Русские считают что это армия с народом воюет.

Quote: Russ69

По рации слышал, что вчера отловили снайпершу из Прибалтики, в Краматорске.

Чем бредовей информация, тем правдивей она смотрится. Вам по телевизору покажут любую девушку, которая скажет что она снайпер из прибалтики для отстрела русских, так вы с новой силой будете нас с гамном мешать.

[Gexzloy]

Quote: Russ69

Болотов о своем покушении и задержании на границе

Он по умолчанию не мог сказать другого, даже если бы гипотетически было бы по другому.

[IrOqUoIs]

Quote: vladimirZ

Sid.74 (2)
I think that someone supplies information to the militias!

And why do you think that the information of Strelkov I. is supplied by Russian special services?
They can be patriots of Donbass. What, by the way, was confirmed by the people's mayor of Slavyansk Vyacheslav Ponamarev, who answered a question from journalists that he had not yet received information from the village occupied by Bandera, but "patriots should report" about the losses of the Ukrainian army.
In an age when everyone has a cell phone, it’s not only Russian special services that solve the problem of collecting information.

Читайте между строк. От Жириновского "подарочек" попал по назначению ? Попал, как мы знаем....Теперь сделайте вывод.

[Homo Sovieticus]

http://sputnikipogrom.com/mustread/12266/nationalisation-of-the-creative-class/

почти в тему

[raf]

"…А вообще, в революции и гражданской войне всегда побеждают те силы, которые воюют за свои честь и достоинство, а не ради куска колбасы или сала! Даже прямо из Европы".
Автору респект!А вывод абсолютно верен и добавить что-либо,абсолютно лишне.

[Gexzloy]

Quote: raf

…А вообще, в революции и гражданской войне всегда побеждают те силы, которые воюют за свои честь и достоинство, а не ради куска колбасы или сала

Расскажи это Николаю2.

[Gexzloy]

Quote: ussr1960

Так возьмите весла и начинайте грести, а сидеть на дне лодки и ждать о какой камень разобьет, да молиться господу о заступничестве - дело безнадежное. Точно потонете.

Мы собственно говоря и гребли последние пол года, ну как видим не туда пригребли или нас с куса сбили в процессе.

[Aleksey11]

Я думаю в Москве всё мониторят и не допустят разгрома ополчения. Ситуация патовая. Ни у кого сил нет для решающих действий. И не забывайте, что России противостоит США и Европа, а это очень сильный противник. Тут надо аккуратно вести себя.
А время играет на стороне ополчения. Они организуются и додавят нациков.
Единственное, что мне кажется, им надо ускорить построение Республики.

[Gexzloy]

Quote: Aleksey11

И не забывайте, что России противостоит США и Европа

они противостоят исключительно санкциями, на прямой конфликт они не пойдут

Quote: Aleksey11

А время играет на стороне ополчения. Они организуются и додавят нациков.

Мне кажется наоборот, время играет против ополчения. Так называемое ополчение не сможет долго противостоять регулярной армии, пусть даже такой убогой как украинской.

Quote: Aleksey11

Единственное, что мне кажется, им надо ускорить построение Республики.

На бумаге они это уже делают, поназначали министров и всё такое, на как понимаете нет мирового признания, украинского, и даже русского.
Без вмешательства войск РФ этот референдум пустое место.
А вмешательство войск это вооружённый конфликт двух государств, вот в чём патовая ситуация.

[xomaNN]

По моему мнению, в Донбассе наиболее вероятен "сирийский" вариант ( зеркальный конечно ). Т.е. добровольцы и наёмники извне помогают местным ополченцам ДНР, и при довооружении ПЗРК и ПТУРС вполне смогут махновским карателям по лбу дать.А фактор гипотетического ввода армии РФ не даст карателям применить что то уже совсем запреднельное, типа РСЗО...

[NortoN]

еще неделя и я буду верить украинским сми,я уважаю путина за то что к жизни мы при нем вернулись,но хватит глаза замазывать! Вова про донбасс выскажись,весь мир ждет, люди гибнут!!!!

[Cynic]

Quote: NortoN

Вова про донбасс выскажись,весь мир ждет

И в нетерпении потирает руки _ Ну когда же русских агрессоров эти отморозки из ПС будут убивать !

[ars_pro]

Меня на самом деле мучает только один вопрос во всей этой катавасии, когда будут совместные учения войск России и Украины на территории Украины, вопросов больше не имею)))

[Controller]

Quote: MG42

Россия могла бы помочь даже просто манёврами возле укрианской границы, в этом случае хунта просто вынуждена будет отвести часть своих боеспособных войск от Славянска. Что же мы сейчас видим, Россия полностью отвела свои войска, а госдеп США всё время звонит с угрозами Путину, они в спутник разглядели войска под Ростовым не в казармах и не на полигоне. Примерно 70 км от украинской границы... =Что Россия не имеет права теперь двигать войска по своей земле а спрашивать разрешение у Госдепа США.

Правда скоро будут учения 21 мая 26 Мая в Воронежской области с участием авиации ВС РФ, пока всё.

А сами что-нибудь пробовали делать? А то только и кричите чтоб вам Ванька всё сделал.

[Lukich]

Quote: ars_pro

когда будут совместные учения войск России и Украины на территории Украины, вопросов больше не имею)))

можно их из крыма начать))))

[ars_pro]

Думаю так или иначе миротворческая акция должна произойти, рано или поздно, ведь уже доказано, что правый сектор террористическая организация притом международная,

[лоцман]

Мужики насчет евреев вы не правы!Израильтяне в большинстве своем стали на сторону России!Я общаюсь с друзьями из израиля,они в шоке от укранского безпредела.

[Santor]

Quote: nvv

Bayonet - You are a real fighter. I respect, unlike your colleagues, who put cons without explaining why. Look at the scoreboard. My bell tower has more associates. And on the account of intelligence, you are right, we are on opposite sides of the barricades.

Вообще то и Стрелков - настоящая фамилия Гиркин - еврей по национальности.. И что? Он трижды русский по духу.. не надо всех марать одной краской...

[Petlin]

Здесь не шахматы, а всё гораздо проще. Только парады могут проводить. США и НАТО могут бомбить Сербию, Ливию, Ирак. Россия молчала и не помогала. Дождались у себя под боком укрофашизма, как будто не знали и не ведали. Политические и экономические бездари, не руководители. Довели Россию до полного разорения, а изображают ,что играют в шахматы с умным видом. Любуются стрижами и танковым биатлоном,хвастаются зенитными комплексами. На практику смелости и материальной обеспеченности видимо нет. Приходится сливать Новороссию. Укатали команду ВВП крутые горки экономических санкций.

[gammipapa]

Quote: nvv

Unlike you, spitting saliva "from your bell tower", ALII's fighters offer real help God, save and save the arrow from such help! It will be a shot in the back.

Скорее всего эти друзья наладят распил на донорские органы никем не считаемого населения . Черные трансплантологи хорошо заплатят за такой качественный здоровый товар . (не навязываю ,просто мое мнение )

[Santor]

Quote: Petlin

Здесь не шахматы, а всё гораздо проще. Только парады могут проводить. США и НАТО могут бомбить Сербию, Ливию, Ирак. Россия молчала и не помогала. Дождались у себя под боком укрофашизма, как будто не знали и не ведали. Политические и экономические бездари, не руководители. Довели Россию до полного разорения, а изображают ,что играют в шахматы с умным видом. Любуются стрижами и танковым биатлоном,хвастаются зенитными комплексами. На практику смелости и материальной обеспеченности видимо нет. Приходится сливать Новороссию. Укатали команду ВВП крутые горки экономических санкций.

Не надо путать - когда бомбили Сербию, Ливию и Ирак кто был Президентом, ну ка? А какие мы грозные и вумные прям спасу нет..Прямо таки дожидались? если не знаете то нечего тут слюной брызгать...

Советую прочитать вот эту телеграмму Wikileaks : https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html , в которой видно что Кремль американцам еще в 2008 году четко указывал сценарии, которые мы видим сегодня: "Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face." -- "эксперты говорят нам что Россия особенно озабочена тем что сильное разделение мнений на Украине по вопросу вступления в НАТО, с учетом того что большая часть этнических русских - против, может привести к серьезному расколу, с применением насилия или в худшем случае к гражданской войне. В этом сценарии России придется выбирать: вмешиваться или нет, и Россия не хочет сталкиваться с таким выбором."

It is logical to assume that such a development for the Kremlin was not a surprise and that now we are in an unpleasant but more or less elaborated scenario, something like the “plan E”.

У нас есть три цели, вернее, у России - Не допустить вступления Украины в НАТО, Не допустить установление и стабилизацию на Украине русофобского режима, что предполагает денацификацию и не допустить геноцид русского населения Юго-Востока

В идеале требуется реализация всех трех целей и при этом нужно не сломать российскую экономику в процессе переориентирования на Азию и одновременно не дать американцам оттянуть свой экономический конец за счет ЕС. Как?

[Santor]

Давайте пофантазируем - Путин достает шашку :"ГО!!!" Войска входЯт, через пару дней они в Киеве, еще дня три и на венгерской границе.. Патриоты рукоплещут, все радуются ,на Крещатике парад и прочее и т.д.

В ЕС, в котором европейские бизнес-элиты уже сейчас потихоньку прижимают к ногтю своих политиков и спускают на тормозах санкции, сразу однозначно побеждает "Партия Войны" ( агенты влияния США).

Против РФ врубают максимальные санкции с ужасающем эффектом прежде всего для европейской экономики, которая немедленно падает в рецессию. Но радоваться именно нам не чему.

США заставляет Европу подписать давно ею проталкиваемую Атлантическую хартию - The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership. Короче после принятия этого пакта Европа становится чем то вроде маленькой провинции США. Они и сейчас пробивают это соглашение всеми силами - потому что тогда все товары США будут в Европе без пошлин и она будет задавлена. Переговоры о нем идут прямо сейчас и для американцев ввод войск РФ на Украину был бы огромным подарком.

Санкции против РФ уничтожают европейский бизнес, а снятие торговых барьеров с США добивает его.

Что мы имеем на выходе: ЕС - как будто после после большой войны, США - все в белом радостно осваивают европейские рынки на которых у них уже нет и не будет конкурентов, РФ - не в лучшей форме.

Никому не кажется, что кто-то в этой ситуации - лох, и этот кто-то явно не США? Кстати, аргументы насчет того, что европейские политики не допустят экономического суицида в расчет принимать не стоит. Еврочиновники и не на такое способны, как показывает практика.

[ars_pro]

Мне вот еще интересно, бытует мнение такое, что если Россия введет свои войска то это тайная часть амерского тайного плана, и что Россия таким образом проиграет. Может я и не аналитик, но мне интересно, что могут сделать ЕС и американцы в таком случае, вот про третий пакет санкций слышал, так они его обещали ввести даже в том случае если выборы 25 будут сорваны,а на юговостоке явка по идее нулевая, поздравляю в таком случае, выборы уже заранее можно считать сорванными, короче кроме санкций могут ввести натовские войска, но вероятность этого крайне мала, ни Европа ни США к глобальной войнушке ради галичины не готовы, да хоть даже выживания, тем более не готовы, ведь кабздец будет всем, кроме нас. В тоже время понимаю неторопливость в таких вопросах, так как народу пока еще Украины стоит разобраться у себя самих, что к чему, хотя итак скажу по секрету почти все для себя уже сделали выбор кто на чьей стороне, и кто кого поддержит в трудную минуту. Другой вопрос, что даже определившимся людям нужно много больше чем просто желание, для чего людей запугивают, как с одной так и с другой стороны. Даже не представляю как могут развиваться события, но тем кто пишет сценарии для народов пользуясь прорехами системы госустройства и человеческой неустойчивостью в силу различных обстоятельств, стоит по отрывать руки

[Santor]

А теперь посмотрим что будет в этом случае с Россией (я не беру во внимание то что нам достанется разбитая в прах экономика, 70% озлобленного против нас населения, куча всяких партизанских против нас отрядов обильно подкармливаемых США и Западом)


1. Ежели против РФ врубят санкции до того как будет подписан газовый мега-контракт на 30 лет с Китаем, то Китай сможет договариваться о цене с позиции силы. Фактически с позиции шантажа. Но пока мы вроде успеваем - Путин в Китае. Подписание этого контракта развязывает нам кое в чём руки.

2. Если против РФ врубят санкции до того как будет подписан нефтяной мега-контракт с Ираном на 20 миллиардов, через который Роснефть сможет контролировать еще 500 000 баррелей нефти ежесуточно, то Иран сможет договариваться о цене с позиции силы. опять шантаж и выбивание максимума из России

3. Если санкции врубят до подписания договора о создании Евразийского экономического пространства, представьте себе какой козырь получат Лукашенко и Назарбаев для того чтобы выкрутить руки Путину на переговорах. Еще немного и Москве ради создания Евразэса придется доплачивать за свою нефть.

4. России придется тащить на себе всю Украину, денацифицировать её - сколькими жизнями заплатить придется? От всего этого как мы видим в итоге в шоколаде США и Китай, Европа в глубоко зопе, России остается лишь чувство глубокого морального удовлетворения, туева хуча экономических и политических проблемм и будущие проклятья от щирых украинцев, которые будут вечно недовольны "жизнью под оккупацией".

Для нас контрольные точки май (Китай), июнь (Иран)и выборы в Европарламент 25 мая. Вы думаете Путин и его окружение сидят сложа руки? Я вам обещаю кучу неожиданностей от Китайского визита....

[Santor]

А теперь посмотрим на Ближний Восток.... США просто я ярости от политики Лаврова... Его зам Карасин в начале мая подписывает договор с Катаром и Бахреном, причём с последним заключаются сделки на 15 миллиардов инвестиций в российскую экономику. Договорились о проведении в Катаре форума GECF - организации стан экспортёров газа... Россия давно хотела создать газовый ОПЕК и щёлкнуть по ценам на газ... Катар и Бахрейн всегда были верными союзниками США, но стремление США посадить весь мир на свой сланцевый газ и скинуть таким образом цены на газ - приговор обоим арабским странам.Помимо этого впервые в команде выступит Иран, и тогда этот картель будет контролировать 60% всего рынка мирового газа.
Надеюсь, теперь Вам понятно на что Кремль сейчас тратит время, которое он старается выиграть на Украине и почему это важно.

Вернемся к Украине и отметим, что даже реализация всех важных внешнеполитических проектов не поможет провести денацификацию Киева и сделать так чтобы российские войска или повстанческую армию Новороссии ждали бы там с хлебом-солью. Если у армии Новороссии проблемы с мобилизацией в Луганске и Донецке сейчас ,то работать с более зомбированными регионами будет очень и очень сложно. Однако скоро на фронт выступят Полковник Голод и генерал Гиперинфляция, которые резко изменят баланс сил.

[Barakuda]

Все -ночь пришла, жду гостей..РПК в коридоре, с макаром пойду бульдога выгуливать, хоть он и сам постоять за себя сможет. Шахматы...к стати коробку съел..

[Santor]

Денег хунте никто не даст и даже у МВФ, который что-то обещал про 17 миллиардов долларов (ровно 50% от того что нужно Украине на этот год), в договор встроена "отмазка": если Киев не контролирует все регионы, то Киев не получит ни цента. Голод, холод и гиперинфляция (вызванная обрушением гривны) будут активно работать на ослабление хунты и на вправление мозгов щирых украинцев. Россию они конечно любить не будут, но нам этого и не нужно:)))

Кроме этого, в условиях экономического краха, у шахтеров, металлургов и других товарищей, которые сейчас намертво приклеены к своим рабочим местам из страха их потерять и в надежде "переждать все в хате с краю", а так же полёживают на диванах больше не будет такой возможности. Им придется участвовать в решении политических и экономических проблем Новороссии. Скорее всего, участвовать придется с оружием в руках. Иного выхода не будет.

За последние месяцы, США сильно притормозили работу своего печатного станка, уменьшив "вливание денег" (специально упрощаю формулировки) с 85 до 55 миллиардов долларов в месяц. Очень многие ожидают (например http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/27/us-usa-fed-idUSBREA3Q08920140427) , что станок полностью выключат к концу этого года. Опять тот самый декабрь. Связано это с тем что доллар хоть и основная международная валюта, но печатать его бесконечно - нельзя. По разным оценкам, Америка почти полностью использовала "ресурс прочности" бакса, который позволял шалить с станком. Более того, побочный и неизбежный эффект таких трюков заключается в занижении ставок по американским облигациям что, с одной стороны помогает Вашингтону платить меньше по долгам но с другой стороны, фактически душит всю американскую пенсионную и страховую систему которые построены на ожидании совсем других доходностей от своих портфелей облигаций. Грубо говоря, к концу года у США будет выбор между тем чтобы взорвать свою социальную систему ради того чтобы печатать дальше, или сильно сократить свои аппетиты ради того чтобы сохранить хоть какой-то шанс на стабилизацию у себя дома. Судя по снижению количества долларов вбрасываемых в систему, Вашингтон решил, что предотвращение взрыва у себя - важнее внешнеполитических амбиций.

Теперь, сложив всё окончательно, получаем:
1. Америка будет пытаться всеми силами обострить кризис на Украине, для того чтобы ослабить РФ и положить под себя весь европейский рынок до того как придется выключить свой печатный станок.

2. Кремль будет стараться перевести кризис на Украине из острой фазы в хроническую -вялотекущие переговоры на фоне экономического коллапса Украины. Одновременно, Кремль будет использовать время для того чтобы создать максимально комфортные условия для перехода в фазу острого противостояния с США - отвязка от доллара, работа с Китаем, Ираном, Катаром, создание Евразэс и тд.

Полное окончание кризиса — декабрь 2014, возможно раньше, если США перестанет тупить и прекратит попытки обострения.

[ars_pro]

спасибо за выдержки, интересно и полезно, вы ответили на многие вопросы!

[Mih]

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грузин Сталин сумел сплотить и поднять СССР!

Так смешно, что хочется плакать, но хрущ - у...д

[Fenia04]

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God, save and save the arrow from such help! It will be a shot in the back.

“Aliya” was formed in 2002 from the professional military personnel of the Soviet Army and the armies of the CIS countries who left for Israel. Some of them then served in the Israeli army. The battalion includes paratroopers, commandos, sappers, dog handlers, doctors and other specialists. I trust them more, and with such a commentator, I certainly wouldn’t go to intelligence - a rotten person!

Проблема в другом кто там командует и кто их финансирует, так что всё правильно.

[sskalinin]

Люди , перестаньте бредить ! Министр Иностранных Дел Лавров очень четко озвучил , даже по ТВ , Цитата( пройдут выборы на Украине-будем работать с ним. Будем решать газовые вопросы и вопросы связанные с Юго-Востоком.) Самое интересное, что если Российский официоз признает выбранного. президента Украины то этот президент должен будет признать легитимность присоединения Крыма к России. Иначе никакого диалога не получиться.

[scorpiosys]

Да, вот и мне как-то смутно всё видится с нашей помощью братьям-славянам. Не перехитрили бы наши самих себя и нас вмести с собою. Помощи нашей, что явной, что не явной особо не заметно (технологии Stelh? наверное...), а вот базар за газоБАБКИ не сходит с ящика круглосуточно. При этом новости с юго-востока начинают как-то таять в новостных каналах. Конечно "азиатов" расхитрить трудно... Но уж больно всё про бабки прёт?

[Santor]

вы упускаете еще один момент что Россия ведет сейчас войну на трёх фронтах - отстаивает Венесуэллу от США (там свой мадан) плюс перетягивает на свою сторону всё больше Бразилию и Аргентину.. Забрезжила перспектива и притянуть к БРИКСу Мексику... Проявила интерес...

Второй фронт - Сирия... Помогаем всеми силами Асаду выстоять - и политически помогаем, и военными поставками и как я понимаю разведданными. Если Асад падёт - Запад получит возможность напрямую проложить нефте-газопровод из арабских стран на Средиземку и опять проблема для России.... Углеводороды как ввы уже могли бы заметить не только статья бюджета, но и здоровенный аргумент в политике.

Третий фронт - он у самых границ, это Украина. Нарыв зрел давно, о нём писали и писатели-фантасты и эксперты давно - причём поражаюсь с какой точностью некоторые описали будующий ход событий.

Россия готовилась к нарыву - и у неё есть свой план по которому она действует. Пока лично я считаю всё идет в рамках плана: выбили у американцев из под носа Крым, затем забрали самое важное месторождение сланцевого газа (Славянск-Краматорск), посадили Киев на займовую иглу, в общем не буду тут писать далее - коротко - время работает сейчас на нас.

[Barakuda]

Витек,ну ты молодец ! Где этому учат ?

[Makarov]

Пойду на выборы - дорисую в бюллетене окошко напишу рядом Путин и поставлю галочку...прийду домой и нажрусь с горя....

[Barakuda]

Наверное сделаю то-же самое.Только нажираться не стоит, пробывал, не помогает.

[DerSamowar]

Как это говорят в местах, подвластных пенитенциарной системе - "зашкварились" киевские вожди. Пусть делают теперь что угодно, но на путь исправления им уже не встать. Из "зашкваренных" обратной дороги нет. Теперь через 10, 20, 50, 100 лет последующие поколения будут знать их в качестве самопровозглашенных властелинов на руинах искусственного государства. Главное, чтоб эти преступления не забыли упомянуть в учебниках истории.

И что самое главное, граждане, даже самую-самую малость немецкой (нацистской) евгеники я еще могу понять, мол есть уберменши, а есть унтерменши. Но убивать родственный народ - это ни в какую идеологию не укладывается. Стыдно, СТЫДНО!!!

[Semenov]

Перегрызут они друг друга, как пауки в банке. Ахметовы, Каломойские, Яроши, БЮТовцы, военные - у всех вооруженные силы, после выборов начнется битва насмерть за власть и деньги.