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Listening to Strelkov. Opinion from Ukraine

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Listening carefully Igor Strelkov's statementI decided to get an opinion on this matter from my friends in the DPR.

And it came out more than overwhelming.

My friends in the same Kramatorsk as it were recorded in the militia from the very first days. Not youngsters. It is full of adults. However, no one is in a hurry to take them into battle squads, to arm and lead on the enemy. For repeated appeals there was only one question: “Do you have experience of military operations?” From where, excuse me, did he have to come from the inhabitants of Ukraine, who had never fought with anyone? The result - sit at home and wait. With a rather categorical parting words: “Do not meddle. There will be a need - let's call. ”

All militias have one question: “What, forgive?” In a month and a half, we could take all who want to really defend their city and teach them “military affairs in a real way.” At least at the elementary level. To be able to restrain the same ukroarmiya on the same level with it. And those who are better prepared, would be engaged in pinpoint strikes.

Is everything logical? It seems to be. It turns out that just cannon fodder, even if properly tuned, comes to nothing. Then why these "women's battalions"? Or girls took part in the database? I doubt it.

Strange war, strange performance. I cease to understand.

Today talked in the media about the battles in Kramatorsk. The fact that the National Guard under the technique was not allowed. So she did not particularly rush. "Slid" on the edge of the city and went to Slavyansk. And no one really detained them. Strange? Me too. This is despite all that in Kramatorsk there are armored personnel carriers and grenade launchers. But - did not grow together something.

Strange war. The junta's troops fired several gun shots, destroyed the pavilion at the bus stop. Everything. And they went to Slavyansk. And no one held them back.

It is clear that in the army of Donbass first of all commanders with experience are needed. And fighters with experience in maintaining the database. Where to get, sorry? From the chemical defense battalion, what was in Iraq? Or those who are a mercenary fought somewhere? Ridiculous. A mercenary - he is a mercenary in Africa. With all that it implies.

Why, then, did the leaders of the resistance in Kramatorsk actually neglect those who sincerely wish to participate in the defense of their land and city? During this time one could really teach the basics of military science not one dozen people. Why did no one do this? After all, people recorded in the militia, stood in lines for hours. And throughout this time, there have been absolutely no demand.

And Strelkov says truthful, but not quite fair things. We are not cowards. We are ready to join the ranks of the defenders. We are ready to take weapon. And, if the whole problem is that we have no combat experience ... well, I don’t know.

To be honest, strange and insulting.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 19 May 2014 08: 15
    +52
    "It is clear that in the army of Donbass, first of all, commanders with experience are needed."

    It seems to me, first of all, we need people who have a sincere desire to take up arms and fight for their land.
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 19 May 2014 09: 05
      +4
      Vladimirets
      It seems to me, first of all, we need people who have a sincere desire to take up arms and fight for their land.


      Those who really want to join the ranks of defenders, for those there are no barriers, and those who do not want this, he is looking for an excuse for his inaction and ... he sits at home.
      1. Canep
        Canep 19 May 2014 09: 46
        +25
        I think this statement is misinformation for law-makers, the commandant wanted to tell law-makers, let's attack Kramatorsk, things are worse here, there are no volunteers, you (law-makers) will have to fight with the women. Well, as we saw, they pecked with great strength and the result - corpses and burnt cars. On the defensive, it’s always easier to fight and the 200's collection is smaller. It’s probably not yet possible to drive them out of the Karachun Strelkov. Together with the shooting of deserters, such losses can cause rebellion in their ranks, that is, people have no choice, or militias will shoot their own.
        1. smile
          smile 19 May 2014 13: 19
          +11
          Canep
          Yesterday evening we discussed this topic with colleagues at my home. Your suggestion has also been made. After a heated discussion, the colleague was "banned" and sent for a vodka as punishment. :))) Too much this speech raises the spirit of the self-styled, and the information war in Ukraine is no less important than the real one. Such a statement could only be prompted by a truly desperate situation.

          And for the rest .... During the b.d. sooner or later trained people get out. And who is replacing? I don’t know if new units are being formed there, whether their training and combat coordination have been established, whether it is possible to do this in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. But, probably, Strelkov should probably not do this - he is already busy above the roof. He doesn’t even have a chief of staff .... Sawing when he sleeps at all? Strelkova’s statement I have no right to question, the peasant is in hell, he knows better.
          Mess ... ..... Nevertheless, in the slightest degree I have no doubt that the junta will not succeed - if they can not take control of a couple of small towns and three villages in the district with overwhelming superiority in everything, then neither what their victory is out of the question. They, probably, having stretched, will be able to take something. but they will never be able to hold on, since the occupied territory will have to establish an occupation regime, they simply don’t have enough fascists for this.
      2. SHILO
        SHILO 19 May 2014 12: 13
        +45
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Those who really want to join the ranks of defenders, for those there are no barriers, and those who do not want this, he is looking for an excuse for his inaction and ... he sits at home.


        Well, why are you like this?
        The article is correct. And I know from my own experience. I came with things, but how old am I? Is there any combat experience? We are waiting. Given a referendum plot to protect and that’s all. Yesterday after the performance Strelka called again - we are waiting.
        You can, of course, jerk off yourself, but we are not yet Stalingrad - it is not convenient to travel with the Saiga in public transport. And to go without a weapon is to be torn to pieces by blood-eaters. Stupid in one word.
        1. matross
          matross 19 May 2014 12: 33
          +12
          Quote: SHILO
          Stupid in one word.

          This is a very true word for the situation! hi
          There are no less questions to the militia commanders than to the militias sitting at home. What game are they playing? From Russia, it all looks strange. What kind of combat experience can citizens of a non-warring Ukraine have? There is a desire, especially weapons - in order! It smells of sabotage ...
          1. SHILO
            SHILO 19 May 2014 12: 51
            +24
            Quote: matRoss
            It smells of sabotage ...


            It doesn't just smell anymore. Donetsk Strelkova frankly drained. They are simply afraid of him and could not do without Ahmetka.
            1. Russ69
              Russ69 19 May 2014 12: 55
              +6
              Quote: SHILO
              Donetsk Strelkova frankly drained. They are simply afraid of him and could not do without Ahmetka.

              It seems like a new prime minister of the DPR, a man connected with Strelkov. And those who used to be connected with Akhmetov were slowly putting aside, but the dubious public in the Donetsk Regional State Administration is still present ...
              1. timurso
                timurso 19 May 2014 15: 42
                0
                Quote: Russ69

                It seems like a new prime minister of the DPR, a man connected with Strelkov. And those who used to be connected with Akhmetov were slowly putting aside, but the dubious public in the Donetsk Regional State Administration is still present ...


                here is an interesting article about it
                http://www.62.ua/article/536890
                1. Chaika
                  Chaika 21 May 2014 17: 59
                  0
                  Followed the link. Article ukrov, and writing style, and nonsense - everything is there !!!
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 19 May 2014 13: 00
              +3
              Quote: SHILO
              It doesn't just smell anymore. Donetsk Strelkova frankly drained. They are simply afraid of him and could not do without Ahmetka.
              Yes, apparently you're right ... 95 percent, for the remaining 5% I will make a "discount", which we do not know yet ...
          2. dkflbvbh
            dkflbvbh 19 May 2014 15: 26
            +3
            I wrote two weeks ago that this whole revolution looks more like a farce. One thing is a pity for the men who have laid down their heads for nothing.
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        2. xan
          xan 19 May 2014 12: 43
          +4
          Quote: SHILO
          Stupid in one word.

          some garbage.
          Something is wrong here.
          Tolley Strelkova substitute, he felts he leads his game.
      3. Scoun
        Scoun 19 May 2014 12: 32
        +1
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Who really want join the ranks of the defenders, for those there are no barriers

        And there may be sent "Cossacks" ... it is difficult to check everyone .... (((
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 19 May 2014 13: 05
          +11
          Quote: Scoun
          And there may be sent "Cossacks" ... it is difficult to check everyone .... (((
          And in the battles near Moscow, in 41, in the most difficult year, they were also afraid to give the militia a weapon?
          Maybe the leadership of the DPR just needs to stop dirking and start creating mobilization centers, training centers and the formation of combat companies, battalions, regiments and divisions ???????????????????
      4. GRune
        GRune 19 May 2014 13: 06
        +5
        If everyone will act as he wants, even out of good intentions it will be chaos and a mess, they will shoot their own ...
    2. 222222
      222222 19 May 2014 09: 11
      +1
      In war, not only shoots weapons, but also the WORD .. The factor of the information and psychological component of the war is no less important .. And sometimes you can throw misinformation, especially in wars of a non-specific nature ..
    3. Blondy
      Blondy 19 May 2014 09: 29
      +1
      But they also need to be taught and organized. As usual - problems with the leadership. A good doctor will work as a doctor, a miner as a miner - and what comes to the top?
      1. badger1974
        badger1974 20 May 2014 09: 58
        -1
        in vain you determine by Bunin's "Heart of a Dog", on the periphery a doctor is literally a doctor, a miner is a miner, exactly like the liquidator-liquidator at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant; radiochemistry - I ask the modders not to delete this, especially since the VECTOR object was opened for loading nuclear waste, and now it is also about pumping reagents into the underground waters, it's fun in Ukraine, though ??????
        1. matross
          matross 20 May 2014 12: 26
          0
          Quote: badger1974
          "Heart of a Dog" by Bunin

          Whom? What a shame ...
    4. Flooding
      Flooding 19 May 2014 09: 47
      +12
      We read at da-dzi:
      Quote: http://da-dzi.livejournal.com/227197.html
      Everyone heard Strelkov’s appeal. The commander rebukes the inhabitants of the Southeast that they do not go to the aid of Slavyansk.
      As it turned out today, people are coming. And a lot of people come to the rescue! But they are turned back by the pest, Akhmetov’s man by the name of Khodakovsky... It has already been analyzed in detail by Lev Vershinin putnik1. By this evening, it is already known about 8 groups of fighters, whom Khodakovsky told that they were not needed in Slavyansk - and sent them back. Apparently, this Akhmetov's "mole" was left as a last resort in order to weaken the defenses of Slavyansk.
    5. cosmos111
      cosmos111 19 May 2014 09: 57
      +31
      And Strelkov says true, but not entirely fair things. We are not cowards. We are ready to join the ranks of the defenders. We are ready to take weapons. And, if the whole problem is that we don’t have experience in military operations ... well, I don’t know.
      To be honest, strange and insulting.

      This is the whining of BABY, NOT THE MAN !!!

      And RUSSIAN PERSONS OF 18 YEARS SOLDIERS HAD EXPERIENCE ??? WHEN THEY, Despite the betrayal, bestial training of the militants, went into battle and took Grozny in the year 95 !!!!
      GOOD LORD WASN’T !!! !!! And snipers from the Baltic states and other Arab and
      there were Turkish mercenaries !!!

      AND RUSSIAN 18 GUYS, EVERYTHING EQUALLY MADE THEM !!!!!

      NOT WATCHING NOT WHICH JOINING THE TEETH, BUT DONE !! THEY A HEROES FOR AGE !!!
      1. Slavs
        Slavs 19 May 2014 10: 32
        +7
        I support the opinion ... Moreover, here the land under the feet is dear ...
      2. Lapotnik
        Lapotnik 19 May 2014 10: 37
        +15
        I sit and play. YOU GENERALLY READ THE ARTICLE "REAL FIGHTERS" ??? The article DIRECTLY says - DO NOT ACCEPT into the militia, due to the lack of combat experience. And the "warriors" are lowered immediately below the plinth. Trendy.

        Once again for the especially dull:

        “My friends in the same Kramatorsk, as it were, were enrolled in the militia from the very first days. They are not young. They are quite adult people. However, no one is in a hurry to accept them into combat squads, to arm them and lead them to the enemy. Do you have experience of military operations? " Where, forgive me, can he get it from the inhabitants of Ukraine, which has never fought with anyone for a while? The result is that they sit at home and wait.
        IT IS REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE BEFORE A CERTAIN MOMENT.
        The whining comes out of you.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 19 May 2014 10: 40
          +5
          Quote: Lapotnik
          With a rather categorical parting word: “Do not meddle. There will be a need - let's call. ”


          Then the logical question is: why the hell does Strelkov call for joining the militia, down to women?

          Quote: Lapotnik
          IT IS REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE BEFORE A CERTAIN MOMENT.
          1. krpmlws
            krpmlws 19 May 2014 11: 01
            +4
            Perhaps the reason is that first of all, professional officers are needed, Strelkov talked about this. And women were probably recruited in order to encourage officers to join the people's army.
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 19 May 2014 13: 27
            +6
            Quote: Vladimirets
            What the hell does Strelkov call for joining the militia, right down to women?

            Because they come "for the machine" to sit at the window "in their hut", and not to miss a single foe for the fence! And having found out that volunteers are needed on the front line, they turn around and dump .. Didn't you watch the video ?! Or didn't you?
            Moreover, this Khodakovsky (see comments above), who seems to consciously refuse volunteers working for the enemy .. Also an important point: who is responsible for mobilization in Donetsk ?! One shooter can not be everywhere. And he says that he sees around himself ..
            1. Azzzwer
              Azzzwer 19 May 2014 15: 08
              +5
              Quote: avia1991
              who is responsible for mobilization in Donetsk ?!
              Apparently, no one! And it is needed as air, at least partially. At the first stage, it may be possible to get off voluntarily, but for serious operations a real army is needed.
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      4. Volsung
        Volsung 19 May 2014 11: 50
        +8
        What do you suggest friend? Dig a separate trench for yourself at the entrance to the city, take a kitchen knife at home and go to protect your native land?

        It is clear that it is possible to attack the lonely ukrosoldat with a pitchfork with an pitchfork in an attempt to disarm them, but is it worth it now to give your life so easily?

        Here, the guy just complains that they are not given weapons and are not allowed to fight, citing the lack of experience, and you are his woman right away?
      5. GRune
        GRune 19 May 2014 13: 12
        0
        You ! These are different things they cannot be compared!
      6. avia1991
        avia1991 19 May 2014 13: 20
        +2
        Quote: cosmos111
        AND RUSSIAN 18 GUYS, EVERYTHING EQUALLY MADE THEM !!!!!

        Andrey .. Not 18-year-old boys, although they got it. You know how ineptly they used the "specialists" of the GRU and the Airborne Forces .. And largely only thanks to their training and skill, they managed to turn the tide. In addition, at that time, there were enough officers with real Afghan combat experience in the lower-level combat units! And this, as you yourself should understand, is a very important point!
        What equates the Nazis and the militia in Ukraine is precisely the lack of real experience in the database of the Ukrov Armed Forces, with rare and unprincipled exceptions. Both sides have to learn to fight after the fact. The SBU officers alone will not be enough for ukram.
      7. smile
        smile 19 May 2014 13: 27
        +4
        cosmos111
        To accuse the whining of the person on whom the defense actually rests is, to put it mildly, incorrect. A strange "aching woman" turns out. I believe that he could only be prompted to such a statement by the fact that he was fed up with a mess and disorganization, which, being busy with the command, he cannot cope with. And he has no such powers.
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 19 May 2014 14: 46
          +3
          smile
          I did not post about Strelkova-OH AND HIS PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING HEROES !!!

          but about those locals who really do not want to fight .... who wants to fight, he is not who, will not forbid ....
          how many photos ... militias with hunting rifles ...
          1. smile
            smile 19 May 2014 15: 10
            +1
            cosmos111
            If so, then I'm sorry for the carelessness. I agree.
      8. basmach
        basmach 19 May 2014 20: 03
        +4
        And you, "smart guy", count how many of these inept 18-year-old boys in zinc came, and how many such inept ones lie in the fields with 41, go in search, look. Use the keys to slap all the heroes.
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 May 2014 11: 20
      +10
      All the militias have one question: “What, sorry?” For a month and a half, it would be possible to take everyone who wants to really defend their city and teach “military affairs in the present way”
      For a month and a half, you won’t make a good fighter, you won’t even get a bad one, because meat is for one fight.
      As for the "real way" - after the first battle with the SBU and mercenaries, there will be no one to give a second lesson. People are cherished, and this is the main thing. To fight in numbers, the National Guard won, their corpses do not have time to forge.
      Novel minus this time.
      1. Simple
        Simple 19 May 2014 11: 48
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        For a month and a half, you won’t make a good fighter, you won’t even get a bad one, because meat is for one fight.
        As for the "real way" - after the first battle with the SBU officers and mercenaries, there will be no one to give the second lesson. People are cherished and this is the main thing.



        A month and a half - it will certainly not be enough.
        But: time goes on, and you should not use it.
        Anyway, the volunteer will have to go through his first battle anyway, as it’s better now under the overload than then how the card will fall.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 May 2014 12: 22
          +6
          Quote: Simple
          Anyway, the volunteer will have to go through his first battle anyway, as it’s better now under the overload than then how the card will fall.

          While there are enough forces, and Strelkov himself is better seen. How many and whom to send to fights.
          1. Kubanets
            Kubanets 19 May 2014 13: 32
            +6
            Compare the statement of Strelkov and the course of yesterday's events. Days earlier, Strelkov openly announced that the defense in Kramatorsk was worrying. Then he announced that there were not enough people. The junta pecked and rushed to Kramatorsk. And the militia carried out several raids near Slavyansk. Result 3BTR 1 radio station on GAZ66 source statement Strelkova on 100/18/05 on the Russian Spring). Heater Strelkov oh cunning. Unraveling the enemy’s forces and assets with active defense demoralizing losses. Something like this (as expressed by Igor Ivanovich ending his comments)
            1. Illarion Dnipro
              Illarion Dnipro 19 May 2014 18: 36
              +4
              Two scenes showed interest yesterday, a burning woodworking shop near Slavyansk with a crying woman who claimed that her militia had burned her shop for drinking water from the National Guard guards. What do you think will add supporters of New Russia? And the second plot is a burning transformer of a ferroalloy plant, which was allegedly fired by militias. The plant stood up, huge losses to the owner and workers' salaries. Both plot will cause the fury of workers and entrepreneurs. Perhaps this is junta propaganda, but skillful propaganda, which must be refuted immediately by all available means and on the TV of the Russian Federation, which is watched by many.
              Civil war is not a war for territories and objects. This is primarily a war for the minds of people.
              Therefore, Strelok needs not yet a company of fighters, But a skilled deputy for propaganda. The TV inter stories should be refuted, create your own TV on regional channels, and attract foreign TV people.
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    8. Denimax
      Denimax 19 May 2014 14: 17
      +3
      Volunteers rip off the head can be found in abundance, moreover, with the same combat experience. Armed a thousand people, respectively, and can divided into groups, do a lot of things. It will not be expensive either, a couple of dozen lemons for light and effective weapons.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        19 May 2014 16: 22
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Novel minus this time.


        Yes, do not care. I just conveyed my opinion. And one of the calls with his own ears on Skype heard how the "bolt" was written to him.

        Then it’s like in a joke, what do you need - to go or do you need checkers on the roof?

        Shooters complained that everyone came for 40. And where can I get 25-30 and database experience? Well, throw a couple of examples, where could a Ukrainian pick him up?

        There is no youth. Spoke? Spoke. Here you have youth. Moreover, the local, not hell knows where he came for the trunks. And they sit at home. And my wife’s brother, after two months of training in the Mozdok brigade, was sent to war. Not for his hometown. Like hundreds of others like them. Not otmazyvatsya. And here are the volunteers.

        In short, one recommendation: read off the line. It helps sometimes.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 19 May 2014 19: 15
          +1
          Quote: Banshee
          Well, throw a couple of examples, where could a Ukrainian pick him up?

          Dagestan, Georgia. Perhaps some kind of foreign country.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 19 May 2014 20: 55
            +1
            Quote: Uncle
            Dagestan, Georgia. Perhaps some kind of foreign country.

            And on whose side were they gaining experience?
            hi
    9. silver_roman
      silver_roman 19 May 2014 18: 17
      +1
      Quote: Vladimirets
      It seems to me, first of all, we need people who have a sincere desire to take up arms and fight for their land.

      in principle, I agree with you. But I think everyone will agree that now is not the 41st year. Wehrmacht's tank wedges do not break through our defenses. Something incomprehensible is happening. And throwing inexperienced fighters now is a waste. One trained Afghan veteran is worth more than a platoon of "rookies" (I don't want to offend anyone, I myself am). My point is that we need to come a long time ago to the point that we will value human life. It is impossible to repeat the horror of the Second World War, when 26.6 million people were lost. We are not Chinese.
      Another thing is that everyone should have time to master the minimum of the defense of their home to the maximum. I think Moscow is still coordinating the actions and instructing the militia in the DPR, I also think from there, and the decrees not to overdo it with the "recruits", otherwise they will run hot head into battle. Odessa will not disappear from people's memory for a long time ...
      ps I didn’t want to offend anyone, I hope I conveyed my thought, comrades!
    10. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 20 May 2014 10: 08
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      It seems to me, first of all, we need people who have a sincere desire to take up arms and fight for their land.

      Excuse me, but the volunteers who came to the recruiting stations were sent home for "not a very sincere desire to fight for their land with arms in hand"? Based on the material of this article, as well as from Strelkov's appeals, I got the impression that someone "wants to enter heaven on someone else's hump." I think that "volunteers from Russia", and of any age, would not be sent home by anyone, as Strelkov's mothers would not look them in the eye and would not live on the same street. No experienced commanders? Are the Serbian Chetniks who came to defend Crimea not experienced enough? I think they could teach many generals to fight. And if they are not there (in Slavyansk), then why?
      One gets the impression that not a civil war is going on, but the election campaign of Strelkov, who talks "about military operations" more than he participates in them. I repeat that this is an impression, not a statement of fact. Really, in the millionth Donetsk, they could not recruit at least 50 thousand volunteers from among those who served, if not, then maybe Strelkov does not have any support, his own people? In short, the impression is created extremely "muddy". Who is in the subject, explain, if it does not make it difficult, what and how. With respect.
  2. Lyton
    Lyton 19 May 2014 08: 17
    +3
    Here are those grandmother and St. George’s Day, is there no coordination of actions?
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 19 May 2014 13: 01
      +1
      Quote: Lyton
      Here are those grandmother and St. George’s Day, is there no coordination of actions?

      So Strelkov said, about the absence of a normal chief of staff ...
  3. gandalf
    gandalf 19 May 2014 08: 29
    +4
    It’s just that there’s no weapon at all now. So they take the most experienced.
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 19 May 2014 08: 41
      +6
      Quote: gandalf
      It’s just that there’s no weapon at all now. So they take the most experienced.

      Something is not clear....
      That, it seems, "canned food" was printed, there are many old weapons, enough for everyone.
      That "not enough" .....
      1. gandalf
        gandalf 19 May 2014 09: 31
        +2
        Now it’s better with weapons. After the first call - there were not enough weapons; they did not take all.
        Now with weapons it is better - the second call.

        I think so...
    2. Letun
      Letun 19 May 2014 09: 23
      +3
      Then really why say, they say, men do not want to fight, so they are ready to take women into the militia? Weapons do not seem to be underwear; they are not divided into male and female. So here someone is whistling: either the author of the article or Strelkov. Neither this nor that is unpleasant.
      1. vjhbc
        vjhbc 19 May 2014 09: 55
        +5
        the author is wrong and he confirms this his friends are sitting at home and want weapons and the shooter needs soldiers where he says and not where the militias have work and home
        Quote: Letun
        . So here someone is whistling: either the author of the article or Strelkov. Neither this nor that is unpleasant.
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          19 May 2014 16: 30
          +6
          Quote: vjhbc
          the author is wrong and he confirms this his friends are sitting at home and want weapons and the shooter needs soldiers where he says and not where the militias have work and home


          Yeah, of course, you know better. But I won’t argue with your military talent, everything is clear like a white day: Kramatorsk should be defended by blue Martians without weapons. Then everything will be logical. But it is impossible to give weapons and train in Kramatorsk. They’ll also run away to the National Guard.

          You will be torn off at the General Staff. In Ukrainian.
          1. fyvaprold
            fyvaprold 20 May 2014 10: 29
            0
            Quote: Banshee
            Kramatorsk should be defended by blue Martians without weapons. Then everything will be logical. But it is impossible to give weapons and train to Kramatorsk.

            Kindly explain in detail the reasons why volunteers (local) are not armed and not trained. Is this some kind of political game? They don’t want victims, among the local militias or is there still some reason that you can’t talk about (publicly, at least)? With respect.
      2. Roman Skomorokhov
        19 May 2014 16: 26
        +2
        Quote: Letun
        So here someone is whistling: either the author of the article or Strelkov.


        Who's stopping Anton Slivkin from checking-asking? He seems to be in contact, forward.
        1. Letun
          Letun 19 May 2014 18: 01
          +3
          Quote: Banshee
          Quote: Letun
          So here someone is whistling: either the author of the article or Strelkov.

          Who's stopping Anton Slivkin from checking-asking? He seems to be in contact, forward.

          Here I am recently surprised by people who believe that all people are registered in contact lol Not registered in any social. network, imagine? fellow I prefer to communicate with friends personally.
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 19 May 2014 19: 43
            +2
            Quote: Letun
            Not registered in any social. network, imagine?

            Exactly, this is for children.
          2. fyvaprold
            fyvaprold 20 May 2014 10: 35
            0
            Quote: Letun
            I prefer to communicate with friends personally.

            I support your opinion, especially since you can create a "fake" account in the name of Obama and Putin. There is no guarantee that the person you are contacting with social. networks is who he claims to be.
            PS: For example, I, too, are not Fyvaprold on the passport laughing .
    3. cosmos111
      cosmos111 19 May 2014 10: 41
      +3
      Quote: gandalf
      It’s just that there’s no weapon at all now. So they take the most experienced.

      SALT MINES DEFLECTED WITH WEAPONS OF WWII !!!

      Now they are guarding, it was necessary to take earlier ... and now there are, opportunities ....

      and sniper MOSINKI, PTR-Simonov and Degtyareva 14,5 mm, DShK 12,5, and now a formidable weapon !!!!
      1. GRune
        GRune 19 May 2014 13: 14
        +5
        The mine is guarded and mined ...
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 19 May 2014 13: 18
        +4
        Quote: cosmos111
        and sniper MOSINKI, PTR-Simonov and Degtyareva 14,5 mm, DShK 12,5 and now a formidable weapon !!!!
        The samples you listed are a MASTERPIECE, CLASSIC ...
        This weapon will survive whole eras!
    4. gandalf
      gandalf 19 May 2014 11: 30
      +3
      “Everyone was excited about Igor Strelkov’s statement,” said Alexander Rogers. - Well, he is at the forefront and does not quite understand the situation that has developed inside. When he made a statement that the militia could not accept all volunteers, he did this because there was no weaponry. But now there is enough of everything, because they confiscated from the "pravoseki" and so on. The main thing I want to say about is that this information is outdated and now the recruitment of volunteers is carried out without restrictions. "


      http://rusvesna.su/news/1400421115
    5. avia1991
      avia1991 19 May 2014 13: 32
      +4
      Quote: gandalf
      Yes, just now there is no weapon at all.

      Damn, people .. are you listening to a person, or so - out of the corner of your eye read a review, and write a comment? !! He distinctly said: before there was nothing to arm people. Now WEAPONS ENOUGH! We opened the warehouses, got it in battle, confiscated .. there are weapons! People, where are you?
  4. Beloborodov
    Beloborodov 19 May 2014 08: 30
    +10
    In Slavyansk do not give weapons?
    Have a desire to defend your land?
    How much land do you want?
    Mariupol, Kharkov, Odessa does not go to these lands?
    You can’t buy a machine, maybe there is not enough money?

    Brothers! If such a burning desire for action, and there is already a leader in place and his rules are not acceptable - occupy free territory.
    But in Mariupol, something cannot form an armed resistance. Let the "active" go there and serve as the organizational nucleus of the militia. I hope Strelkov does not prohibit to speak on other fronts with arms in hand?
    Or have they already taken the word of honor without special permission to not take up arms?

    Sorry for the harshness. I serve in the sofa battalion and do not strive to the forefront.
    I know that if I wanted to participate, I would not be an obstacle to distance, lack of money and weapons, and even commanders.

    I will mention separately for the commanders: it is around the LEADER that the core, the team, is going.
    Many people want to take up arms only because there is a COMMANDER, there is a team, there is a real result.
    If the commander himself - organize.
    If there are no abilities, do not teach the best.
  5. air wolf
    air wolf 19 May 2014 08: 43
    0
    It’s a pity we can’t go and restore constitutional order ourselves. angry
  6. atalef
    atalef 19 May 2014 08: 51
    +24
    And Strelkov says true, but not entirely fair things. We are not cowards. We are ready to join the ranks of the defenders. We are ready to take weapons. And, if the whole problem is that we don’t have experience in military operations ... well, I don’t know.

    I don’t quite agree with you, for the simple reason to what degree of despair Strelkov should have reached, in order to actually and publicly admit (as was already evident) that he does not have popular support, the people don’t want to go to war, if not strange neither for those nor for those. Now he (Strelkov) has power for a simple reason, he has a weapon and some kind of minimal, but close-knit team - who will go from the local against - all the more with the complete connivance of the police.
    as Smelkov noted (in the Donbass 4.4 million people) - in terms of population almost Bulgaria, where are the people inspired by the idea? Where are the miners (they don’t hear anything at all), where are the volunteers (against the background of almost 70% of the turnout and 90% - for), where are the people?
    You write that they don’t give you weapons; it’s funny, not so long ago they wrote (the residents of Slavyansk themselves) that they give weapons to everyone - passports are written in, grandmothers and those with guns go.
    Do you know how I trust Strelkov more than you - excuse me, but the picture is developing quite a bit, there are several cities (controlled by Strelkov and Co.) - he has no support beyond the borders of the cities, and the same in the cities. Otherwise, I wouldn’t cry or shame or threaten to call women, of course you can tell tales of hundreds of killed military (Ukrainian) about the alphaes destroyed almost in full force - but the facts voiced by Strelkov are simple and there are 1000 ready to fight (I wonder how they managed to destroy 650 law enforcement officers and the national guard) and what he says is that the bulk are neither locals (he says so, we Russians came to protect), and where are the locals?
    4.5 million of the population - GDP understands this perfectly, there is no support from the population - therefore, the referendum was not recognized (but treated with understanding) and the Strelkov and Co. case is generally difficult and almost hopeless - without the support of the population - all this is doomed to failure
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 19 May 2014 10: 32
      +7
      Strange war, strange performance. I cease to understand.

      This is a 100% reflection of current events. Imitation of activity on both sides.
    2. woron333444
      woron333444 19 May 2014 10: 37
      +10
      Locals are sitting at home and waiting for Russia to send troops. Friends in Severodonetsk are waiting for help, but they themselves do not want to fight. Against Kiev, but sitting exactly on the pope
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      2. matross
        matross 19 May 2014 11: 09
        +9
        Quote: woron333444
        Locals are sitting at home and waiting for Russia to send troops. Friends in Severodonetsk are waiting for help, but they themselves do not want to fight. Against Kiev, but sitting exactly on the pope

        It looks like the truth. Strelkov somehow has more faith - he and his guys are really fighting. Weapons were handed out to the locals - they armed themselves in the huts, and the most cunning, under the guise of the militia, already moved to protect the business, not to mention the gop-stop "in favor of the revolution." The Kiev theme with the "heroes of the Maidan" is being repeated. What did we want? This is the same Ukraine ... the Makhnovists, bleat, hereditary!
      3. Russ69
        Russ69 19 May 2014 13: 05
        +2
        Quote: woron333444
        Locals are sitting at home and waiting for Russia to send troops.

        I also often hear why the Russian Federation did not introduce troops, but we held a referendum and consider it enough ...
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 19 May 2014 14: 00
      +7
      Quote: atalef
      Where are the miners (they don’t hear anything at all), where are the volunteers (against the background of almost 70% of the appearance at the referendum and 90% for), where are the people then?
      At the enterprises of the Ministry of coal industry and those enterprises that belong to Akhmetov.
      Do you order people to give up their only opportunity now to feed themselves and leave their families with nothing?
      Or maybe the leadership of the DPR still needs to muster up the courage and "shake up" the local "kings" and force them to provide social protection for the families of men who went to the front?
      It is the duty of the authorities, yes, the authorities are young ... But no one said it would be easy.
      Once he took upon himself the burden of power, do not say that not a dozen ...
      1. atalef
        atalef 19 May 2014 22: 32
        +2
        Quote: Corsair
        Quote: atalef
        Where are the miners (they don’t hear anything at all), where are the volunteers (against the background of almost 70% of the appearance at the referendum and 90% for), where are the people then?
        At the enterprises of the Ministry of coal industry and those enterprises that belong to Akhmetov.
        Do you order people to give up their only opportunity now to feed themselves and leave their families with nothing?
        Or maybe the leadership of the DPR still needs to muster up the courage and "shake up" the local "kings" and force them to provide social protection for the families of men who went to the front?
        It is the duty of the authorities, yes, the authorities are young ... But no one said it would be easy.
        Once he took upon himself the burden of power, do not say that not a dozen ...

        I do not understand, but where are the family members? Or all the miners? When did they need them for months on the Maidan, they knocked helmets, and now they can’t stand up for themselves? I say again, more than 4 million people live there - you know what kind of power it is, even without weapons, if you had seen a demonstration of 100 tons (this is not so much out of 4 million) - who would go against them? what troops? who would shoot? Just what I see from the chronicle in the same Slavyansk, on the one hand, they show volunteers convincing us that they are fighting from morning to evening and right there in the frame are mothers, at a measured pace, with children - I will not believe for anything, that in the place where they shoot, mothers will lead young children, and young people take selfies against the background of correspondents.
        I know very well what the simply shelled settlements look like (yes, without the threat of a military breakthrough) - deserted and lifeless. And here mothers with children go, and even so sedately - well, I do not believe it.
        Next, about shaking the locals and forcing them to fulfill their duty to protect, how? To the headquarters of the company, and then in the first battle he will quietly shoot you in the back or take you off with a weapon (by the way, what Strelkov complains about)
        If in an area with a population of 4 million you don’t even recruit 1000 volunteers capable of holding weapons, I think they will have rather big problems now, and in the future there will be even bigger ones
        By the way, the central bank of Ukraine said that due to attacks on bank departments in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk, it temporarily stops paying pensions and salaries to state employees. Given the fact that these cities have proclaimed independence and, of course, responsibility, we will see how they will manage this mass of people left without real money.
        Something seems to me that everything there quickly slides into dictatorship and terror - well, in general, as it usually happens, especially with that scanty support of the population, by the way, do not tell me fairy tales about the referendum - even Russia did not recognize it, to this point everything it was dark and not clear, the people were supporting with their feet, only everything was somehow towards Strelkov. Alas, these are the facts - whether you like it or not
  7. zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 19 May 2014 08: 52
    +14
    This whole so-called war looks like a farce. And just do not speak for couch Rimbos. It comes to ridiculous-in the cities there are parts of the junta, militias right there, well, I can't understand such a movement. About Karachun is a separate topic, they fired at and conducted mopping up, or is there not enough composition? About 200-300 they write almost battalions, well, almost the whole army has already been screwed up, and where are the results? Weapons in warehouses for 3 armies and everyone says there is not enough. Yes, mosinks and chz with optics can be in 10 block the whole mountain so that more than one head does not stick out, not to mention the Maxim and DShK machine guns. Well, such a "war" does not fit in my head. cool-GENERAL MARAZ COMPLETE !!!!!
    1. saag
      saag 19 May 2014 09: 17
      +2
      Who on top of that and slippers :-)
    2. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 19 May 2014 10: 46
      +1
      The usual shtetl psychology - mine is called extreme. It’s easier to sit out under a woman’s skirt than to go and put her head under bullets. And then - then you can join the winning side and beat yourself in the chest with your heel. I type for you. I support TD and TP in every way.
  8. Des10
    Des10 19 May 2014 08: 53
    +13
    "We are ready to join the ranks of the defenders. We are ready to take up arms. And if the whole problem is that we have no experience of fighting ..."
    Strelkov clearly said - unwilling to go to the front and obey command, but they want to get weapons - and --- home, there to wait for the approach of the enemy.
    And experience is gained quickly, but with officers it is tight. But they can be there. and no at all.
  9. Eragon
    Eragon 19 May 2014 08: 55
    +18
    I repeat again: as long as there is a job that pays money on which you can survive, as long as what is happening around you does not directly concern a person, the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians do not care who is in power - the Nazis, the communists, the aliens. The prevailing mood is: "do everything so that everything is fine with us", "everything is calm with me, and what does not concern me with my neighbor." That's when it will be impossible to buy for a salary, when they will start firing from work in batches, when gas will be supplied for 1 hour a day at a price that is easier to cook with wood, then they dry out. But nre before.

    And further. Who cares, read and count how many members of the underground and partisans, in% of the total population, were in the occupied Ukrainian SSR and BSSR. And also how much served the Germans.
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 19 May 2014 12: 27
      +2
      I agree. Until the fried rooster bites you personally in jo.pu - it seems like there is no problem and you can drink beer at home: (((And the neighbor? What is the neighbor? He has his own - there are no intersecting problems with mine.
  10. Normal
    Normal 19 May 2014 08: 55
    +4
    Interesting movie.
    Two articles by one author; "Southeast: it will soon be too late to understand" и "Listening to Strelkov. Opinion from Ukraine" In which Roman Skomorokhov (Banshee) comes into conflict with himself. Is this an attempt to look at the problem from different perspectives? And in what position, in this case, is the Author himself? Just an interested observer? Or, in the second article, the Co-author’s opinion is primary, while Roman appears only as a literary processor?
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      19 May 2014 16: 33
      +3
      Quote: Normal
      Or, in the second article, the Co-author’s opinion is primary, while Roman appears only as a literary processor?


      Exactly. I just conveyed the opinion of a person. Moreover, making sure that he is right.
      1. Normal
        Normal 19 May 2014 21: 37
        0
        Quote: Banshee
        Exactly. ..... Moreover, making sure that he is right.

        In view of the apparent contradictions of the first and second articles, who is still right?
  11. ed65b
    ed65b 19 May 2014 08: 58
    +8
    Or maybe he’s rightly doing what he doesn’t take until people who have no combat experience. Judge for yourself the forum users whether it is easy for a normal commander to send an untrained soldier to death, all the more so knowing that his wife and children are waiting for him at home besides mom and dad. There are not enough officers about this. The shooters said. It’s one thing to risk your trusted guys when you’re sure of their actions and behavior in an extreme situation, but how will militiamen not run around in a war behave? Remember the recent exit from the environment of Strelkov’s fighters. No matter how many Banderaites are trained in this situation of untrained or hastily trained reservists. Not everything is so simple apparently.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      19 May 2014 16: 35
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      Or maybe he’s rightly doing that he doesn’t take people without combat experience so far.


      No one can argue with this. But where to get, young and experienced, if you really look at things?
  12. petrT
    petrT 19 May 2014 09: 08
    +2
    There is no need to be offended, as long as there is no need to really rush into battle with untrained men, it will just be shooting like in a shooting gallery. It's good if this time never comes, and if someone really wants, well, they just have no patience, how they want to defend their land with weapons in their hands, then sign up and train, forget who you are, boys or men over 40, plow to bloody calluses, so that later, in the very first clash, the head was "cold" and came back whole, and the time of the "Sailors" had not come yet. Remember in World War II, there were many untrained volunteers left alive?
    1. atalef
      atalef 19 May 2014 09: 25
      -6
      Quote: petrT
      There is no need to be offended, as long as there is no need to really rush into battle with untrained men, it will just be shooting like in a shooting gallery. It's good if this time never comes, and if someone really wants, well, they just have no patience, how they want to defend their land with weapons in their hands, then sign up and train, forget who you are, boys or men over 40, plow to bloody calluses, so that later, in the very first clash, the head was "cold" and came back whole, and the time of the "Sailors" had not come yet. Remember in World War II, there were many untrained volunteers left alive?

      Well, yes, of course, the partisans during the Second World War - they were all trained to be selected, but nevertheless they took up arms. When a person understands goals and ideals - he goes and fights and it is not clear why we are talking only about adult men? Where are the 20+ youth, where? She always and everywhere went ahead, this is usually the part that has not yet sufficiently realized the value of life, has not started families - has young people always been in the first volunteer ranks, where is she?
      The time of the Sailors - you say it didn’t come, probably there will not come.
      Neither do I believe the numbers of the referendum, nor do I believe in statements about mass support - otherwise where are all these people? Where are the volunteers, where are the thousands of demonstrations?
      There is none of this, there is an armed group that has seized the military (it’s not even power, but it doesn’t control anyone’s building and does not have any attributes of power - as minimally additional)
      The local population only likes on Facebook and watches how it ends, Russia certainly will not join, and this is understandable, but without it they will exist for some time, it is not clear that until the grandmother runs out, and without a gold reserve, they will go look for another chieftain.
      Today, all these people's mayors and others like them are busy most of all with the salvation of themselves, but not with the fate of the people, as it were, as if represented by them
      1. Master_Lviv
        Master_Lviv 19 May 2014 09: 41
        +10
        Neither do I believe the numbers of the referendum, nor do I believe in statements about mass support - otherwise where are all these people? Where are the volunteers, where are the thousands of demonstrations?
        - Videos of thousands of demonstrations are easy to find on the net. And what about the junta's rhetoric about "lack of support" you repeat - you are lying, people in the East just support the DPR. It's another matter that not all of them are ready to take action, well then you say that the citizens of the DPR support it mainly with their civil position ...
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        2. matross
          matross 19 May 2014 12: 08
          +11
          Quote: Master_Lviv
          people in the East just support the DPR. Another thing is that not all of them are ready for action.

          Not ready for action - get ready for the passive! Small militias will soon be stifled, and Natsik will put you all in cancer!
          Are you waiting for the military super professionals? Where do they come from in Ukraine? This is a CIVIL war - a war of citizens within the state! Everyone who picks up a weapon is a fighter, after the 1-2 battle - an experienced fighter! Everything else - hell - inexperienced, untrained, meat, Zhinka with children at home, fired from work! Or to fight in an adult way, evil and cruel or zvizdets comes, do not sit back!
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 19 May 2014 10: 40
        +8
        I want to express my gratitude to the Jewish people for supporting Russia in the fight against the fascist scum in Ukraine.
        1. yulka2980
          yulka2980 19 May 2014 11: 38
          +3
          What are you talking about? They didn’t even open their mouths in support of Russia. Rather, the opposite! What is Kolomoisky worth? wassat
        2. falcon
          falcon 19 May 2014 12: 01
          +6
          Quote: ed65b
          I want to express my gratitude to the Jewish people for supporting Russia in the fight against the fascist scum in Ukraine.

          Thanks for the nice, subtle humor! :))
          "+"
          1. Riperbahn
            Riperbahn 19 May 2014 12: 49
            0
            This is not humor. It's sarcasm.
  13. Not angry
    Not angry 19 May 2014 09: 23
    +1
    I agree with the author of a lot of things that are not clear in this war. If there are volunteers in theory they should be used. If not directly in the hostilities, then at least in the protection of public order, I think there are always problems with this, looters have always been and they do no less harm than the occupiers from the junta. Yes, a weak organization can only hope that those who now lead the militia will draw conclusions and correct the situation.
    1. not good
      not good 19 May 2014 10: 29
      +2
      And if volunteers help a little with money, then the number of volunteers will increase dramatically.
      1. atalef
        atalef 19 May 2014 21: 58
        0
        Quote: Negoro
        And if volunteers help a little with money, then the number of volunteers will increase dramatically.
        And what is the relationship between volunteers and money? belay
        1. alone
          alone 19 May 2014 22: 21
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          And what is the relationship between volunteers and money?

          laughing Alexander, money and volunteers are the same thing that blacks are white.
  14. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 19 May 2014 09: 25
    +2
    So the shooter clearly explained. what can be recruited, no one to be trained, there are no trained officers, he cannot pick them up from the front line. That’s why the question is, do we need officers, and then get a militia for training.
  15. Master_Lviv
    Master_Lviv 19 May 2014 09: 37
    +15
    Quote: atalef
    to actually and publicly recognize (which was already evident) that he does not have popular support
    - you are not only wrong, moreover, you are actually repeating the rhetoric of the junta, distorting Strelkov's words about the "lack" of popular support.
    There is support. Not everyone is ready to fight with arms in hand, hundreds of thousands of people have jobs, they are busy surviving - even now, in some cities of the East, it is banal to buy food, the economy is virtually destroyed, and people have to run, look for work, provide for families, and so on. ... The independence of the DPR in the referendum was supported by about 80% of its citizens - how can you then repeat the lie that Strelkov has no support? You would also say that "the local population is against him."
    If you want to be precise - specify that "they do not support actively enough", "they do not dare to participate in hostilities" - and statements about "do not support" are outright lies.
    1. Simple
      Simple 19 May 2014 12: 04
      0
      Quote: Master_Lviv
      There is support. Not everyone is ready to fight with arms in their hands, hundreds of thousands of people have jobs, they are busy with survival - now in some cities in the East there is nothing to buy food for, the economy is virtually destroyed, and people need to run, seek income, provide for families, and so on .



      Maybe on this occasion it is worth publishing a DNR and LC a joint decree on supporting families or
      Remaining loved ones financially?
      1. alone
        alone 19 May 2014 22: 23
        0
        Quote: Simple
        Maybe on this occasion it is worth publishing a DNR and LC a joint decree on supporting families or
        Remaining loved ones financially?

        and the DNI and LC have a budget to support someone financially? You better ask what they will pay salaries and pensions to workers.
        1. Simple
          Simple 20 May 2014 01: 56
          0
          Quote: lonely
          and the DNI and LC have a budget to support someone financially? You better ask what they will pay salaries and pensions to workers.



          У Corsair (see comment above) was a good idea.

          "Or maybe the leadership of the DPR still needs to muster up the courage and" shake "the local" kings "and force them to provide social protection for the families of men who went to the front?"
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 19 May 2014 14: 34
      0
      Quote: Master_Lviv
      and statements about "do not support" are outright lies.

      This is not called support, but sympathy.
  16. saag
    saag 19 May 2014 09: 42
    +1
    Quote: Master_Lviv
    Not everyone is ready to fight with weapons in their hands, hundreds of thousands of people have jobs, they are busy surviving

    This is understandable, but here's the thing - Slavyansk is just a key transport hub, and not an end in itself, if they take it, they will not stop, but go straight to Donetsk, taking Donetsk, and it will not be difficult to take it with such an approach of the population, then it will begin " witch hunt "- they will get the lists of the referendum and the repression will begin, and all because the personal in a tense moment prevailed over the general
  17. Rusin Dima
    Rusin Dima 19 May 2014 09: 52
    +1
    You always please novel with your articles, I read them with great pleasure, but forgive this? What kind of article? What is this alarmist mood? We look forward to receiving articles from you further only in the sense that you have a good patriotic mood and you raise a healthy mood.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      19 May 2014 16: 38
      0
      This is the opinion of my friend from the city of Kramatorsk. I just literary it and laid it out.
  18. Just
    Just 19 May 2014 10: 01
    +8
    The author did not understand the meaning of Strelkov’s appeal. The main message of Strelkov’s speech is that you must go to war against the army of Urkaina and the Nazi guard for real, and not defend your house with weapons in your hands. Do you understand the difference? He says that people want to get weapons, but do not want to fight not in their cities and villages.
    Once again for stupid people - you need to break away from family and home, you need to live in the place of location of the militia, you need to observe discipline and subordination. It is necessary to create a mobile ARMY, not a local BAND.
    That's what Strelkov says.
    1. badger1974
      badger1974 20 May 2014 10: 18
      0
      exactly, that's what this is about; do not guard your well. and to teach those people in whose well they spit and spoil so that they wouldn’t spoil or spit in their well, drink it anyway from the well, and the prospect of those who are asleep is not happy, we Crimeans will certainly support, but we must raise it ourselves, for example we dug trenches from Tarkhan-kut to the stove (hut) —this is about 200 km of a solid defense line, on road posts the line reached a depth of one and a half kilometers, and in the steppes something like this
  19. Agent 008
    Agent 008 19 May 2014 10: 16
    +3
    The most important thing - do not blame the inhabitants of Donbass precisely for cowardice ... Inert, yes, accustomed to be content with what they have? Also yes ... How to stir them up, that’s the question! We saw how in Mariupol people heroically rushed under the BMP, and perished like heroes! Let the miners also work, someone must work, the economy of Donbass, at the very least, it is also necessary to support!
    1. Koshel2901
      Koshel2901 19 May 2014 12: 01
      +2
      The money is Ahmetka, and the taxes to Kiev - the miners work great, they raised their salaries by 20% and the miners quietly went on to work on
  20. Sochi
    Sochi 19 May 2014 10: 26
    +2
    Remember the civil war, then the people didn’t really go to war, but many wanted to get a screw and stay at home ... There were few really initiative ones, everyone else mobilized in a row - red, white, Makhnovists and so on.
  21. Witamin72
    Witamin72 19 May 2014 10: 38
    +2
    who wants to seek opportunities, and who does not want - reasons !!!
  22. xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 19 May 2014 10: 50
    +2
    The shooter is right! But it looks like they don’t hear him in the Southeast, and even if they hear, they don’t understand! Everyone needs to take up arms and defend what belongs to you otherwise they’ll take it away! crying
  23. Ross
    Ross 19 May 2014 10: 54
    +3
    Quote: Canep
    I think this statement is misinformation for law-makers, the commandant wanted to tell law-makers, let's attack Kramatorsk, things are worse here, there are no volunteers, you (law-makers) will have to fight with the women. Well, as we saw, they pecked with great strength and the result - corpses and burnt cars. On the defensive, it’s always easier to fight and the 200's collection is smaller. It’s probably not yet possible to drive them out of the Karachun Strelkov. Together with the shooting of deserters, such losses can cause rebellion in their ranks, that is, people have no choice, or militias will shoot their own.

    Shooters seem to be talking more about Donetsk in other cities with a peaceful life. The fact that some just come from there for weapons, but are not ready to fight seriously, with iron army discipline. Wash it is a signal to Donetsk and the new government.
  24. parus2nik
    parus2nik 19 May 2014 11: 18
    +1
    Frunze, too, had no combat experience ..
  25. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 19 May 2014 11: 24
    0
    All this is strange and there are many questions. Why not knocked out, did not, did not accept, etc. Many why, but no answers. Strange !. Doubts begin to appear who and on whose side and whether the KYIV AUTHORITIES rule it all. recourse
  26. MG42
    MG42 19 May 2014 11: 28
    +4
    After that appeal, Arrow has more questions than answers. There are enough volunteers, I know that even from Kharkov I went a lot to Donetsk and from there it’s already a secret who are the people. He has a tricky plan.
    1. Des10
      Des10 19 May 2014 12: 20
      +1
      Quote: MG42
      He has a tricky plan.

      Yeah, just very sad. Not such a surge of volunteers he expected.
      1. alone
        alone 19 May 2014 18: 32
        +2
        Quote: Des10
        Yeah, just very sad. Not such a surge of volunteers he expected.

        Having received weapons, many simply began to engage in criminal acts. They drive away a car, steal people, and demand money from entrepreneurs. The criminal situation in two regions is very difficult. The police are actually inactive. There is no government at all.
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  27. gych
    gych 19 May 2014 12: 27
    0
    Quote: woron333444
    Locals are sitting at home and waiting for Russia to send troops. Friends in Severodonetsk are waiting for help, but they themselves do not want to fight. Against Kiev, but sitting exactly on the pope

    Well, you are also a couch warrior. The people of the DPR now, like a blind puppy without a mother's boobs, there is no definiteness and clear leadership, simply speaking, it is not clear what to believe, to whom to obey. For example, the police in the DPR deyure obey KYEV (budget, appointed leadership, etc.) but will de facto support The DPR refuses to obey the orders of the junta and the occupant of law enforcement whenever possible, and so almost everywhere! As for the miners, they will not go to fight, I have many acquaintances and friends among them, the excuse is simple "WHO WILL BE FEEDING TO THE FAMILY" is simply unwilling! It is not enough to hang the DPR flag. believe we need any help Russia or the DPR will face the fate of prednistrov
  28. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 19 May 2014 12: 30
    0
    Ukraine itself is a political and economic bankrupt. Her fate and future is being decided and will be decided elsewhere by other people. Any representatives of Ukraine will be called there to announce the results and the adopted agreements. Therefore, in my opinion, the fewer people, the more unprepared, takes part in all this, the less blood will be shed in the end and the less destroyed will have to be restored. But I do not insist on this opinion. The civil war has its own logic and development, if people, as the only acceptable way out of the situation, see themselves in an armed struggle with other such people, then nothing will help and no one will forbid.
  29. X Y Z
    X Y Z 19 May 2014 12: 32
    +3
    There is another aspect to this. The fact that many people "sit and wait" allows Kiev propaganda to trumpet the whole world that their goal is to free civilians who are being terrorized by "separatists". After all, if they do not protest, do not fight, and work peacefully, then everything suits them, and the "butchu" is arranged by enemy agents and a small part of the population. No wonder one of the "zaslanets" at this forum said that it would be good for you to take Crimea as a trophy, take your Cossacks and agitators, and in a week everything will be calm in Donbass. It is necessary to prove to the world community that this is not the case at all and the protest is not a manifestation of the will of a handful of people, inspired from Russia. It is very important.
  30. romzess
    romzess 19 May 2014 12: 36
    0
    it's all great, but ex-military personnel and officers are needed. that is why a set of women is mentioned. the honor of the officer will raise them and make them come to the call
  31. alex 777
    alex 777 19 May 2014 12: 42
    0
    Most likely, Strelkov needs former Afghan soldiers living in the Donetsk region. Only they have combat experience. Shooters do not want to make cannon fodder out of ordinary people. And there are plenty of Afghans in the Donbass and they have experience, despite their age. More than sure, it was Strelkov who addressed them, and not to ordinary citizens of the Donetsk region.
    1. atalef
      atalef 19 May 2014 22: 03
      +1
      Quote: alex 777
      Most likely, Strelkov needs former Afghan soldiers living in the Donetsk region. Only they have combat experience. Shooters do not want to make cannon fodder out of ordinary people. And there are plenty of Afghans in the Donbass and they have experience, despite their age.

      Yes, given that they left Afghanistan 25 years ago, and these soldiers were 20-22 years old, I want to see these 45-47 year old warriors, with beer bellies and experience of 25 years ago laughing
  32. woron333444
    woron333444 19 May 2014 12: 50
    +2
    But it seems that the principle “my hut is on the edge” is fundamental in modern Ukraine. About the fact that the debt is as beautiful as payment, the main majority of Donbass residents also prefer not to remember. Apparently, no need. They did their job - they voted. The rest is a headache of Pushilin, Strelkov and others. And paying, especially with our blood, is clearly not in the principles of modern Ukraine. However, it will have, no matter how cool.
    Today, in the news, a seventy-year-old boy was shown in Slavyansk, is fighting. Without experience. Anyone who wants to sit out will always find a reason and an excuse.
  33. romzess
    romzess 19 May 2014 12: 55
    -1
    Quote: zadorin1974
    This whole so-called war looks like a farce. And just do not speak for couch Rimbos. It comes to ridiculous-in the cities there are parts of the junta, militias right there, well, I can't understand such a movement. About Karachun is a separate topic, they fired at and conducted mopping up, or is there not enough composition? About 200-300 they write almost battalions, well, almost the whole army has already been screwed up, and where are the results? Weapons in warehouses for 3 armies and everyone says there is not enough. Yes, mosinks and chz with optics can be in 10 block the whole mountain so that more than one head does not stick out, not to mention the Maxim and DShK machine guns. Well, such a "war" does not fit in my head. cool-GENERAL MARAZ COMPLETE !!!!!

    Ms, too, sometimes the impression is the cinematography of the whole action. there is an opinion that both the fascists and the Donetsk militia direct one conductor + radically different media coverage and as a result = Dill hate the Russian Federation and the quilted jackets in the east and in the Russian Federation hate the Galician ghouls and the maydan
  34. Cynic
    Cynic 19 May 2014 13: 25
    +2
    Quote: Banshee, Anton Slivkin
    To be honest, strange and insulting.

    Serious people, and behave like children.
    Why
    Stories do not know. At all !
    Did you really think that all events will go _ All as one, in a single rush ... !?
    hi
    1. qwert
      qwert 19 May 2014 15: 26
      0
      Damn, but it was believed that something was left in the soul of the great Soviet era ....
  35. Sanglier
    Sanglier 19 May 2014 13: 30
    +1
    It is necessary to create an ARMY, not rebel formations. Then for anyone born and raised back in the USSR, everything will fall into place. And now there is a legal opportunity. And volunteers, these are volunteers, today they want to fight, and tomorrow ...
  36. mackonya
    mackonya 19 May 2014 13: 48
    +1
    Maybe there are not enough units of small arms, and there is no need for manpower yet. Indeed, if all the conscripts are gathered and led to the full liberation of New Russia, then there will be much more victims from the militia. Moreover, we must not forget that any increase in the number of military personnel is also a matter of supply and coordination.
  37. Sasha75
    Sasha75 19 May 2014 14: 37
    -2
    ALL TRUTH is really a people who want to fight and really kill and understand that such people can always kill him and if at least 30 percent got down to business there, then everything would burn and burn in the rear of the law enforcement officers and tanks would run to help and tanks helicopters appeared, as well as couch troops.
  38. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 19 May 2014 14: 54
    +4
    .
    !!!!!!!!!!!! I repeat again !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    But do not wait too much for consciousness from ordinary citizens.

    Even during World War II, when the enemy was obvious and tangible, not many people were registered in the militia. The vast majority was drafted into the army by the Military Commissariats, or from distant towns and villages - by recruiters with a full range of powers.

    Something similar needs to be organized in the Donbass. Purposeful recruitment through military registration and enlistment offices, or other official structures created by the DPR.

    --------------

    All the crimes of the junta in Ukraine due to the incredibly massive, deceitful
    propaganda UkroSMI are not perceived by the vast majority of the population. As if this was happening somewhere far away, not with them, and besides, Russia and the Russians were to blame.
  39. qwert
    qwert 19 May 2014 15: 24
    +4
    From the very beginning, I noticed a certain strangeness of the Kiev forces. There should be officers, and once they are there, they should know the basics of offensive combat — you cannot strike with spread fingers. However, for some reason, at the same time, there are clashes both near Kramotorsky and near Slavyansk, etc. There would be a task to occupy the cities, they would gather all their forces into a single fist and alternately occupy the cities. But no. troops are sprayed and are fighting on the outskirts. Therefore, the task of capturing cities is not before them. And then what is their task? For two weeks now I can’t find an answer to this question ............
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    2. matross
      matross 19 May 2014 15: 38
      +1
      Quote: qwert
      And then what is their task? For two weeks now I can’t find an answer to this question ............

      Yes, the question is not easy. So far, only the task of drawing Russia into the war is being seen. So Putin got the right pause, and now he has also announced the return of troops to places of permanent deployment.
    3. Prjanik
      Prjanik 19 May 2014 19: 53
      0
      It seems to me the task is to create the appearance of an uncompromising war with the separatists and Russian mercenaries and feed it with their maidanut. So that they would not be distracted and indignant at economic problems because of the insufficiently stubborn fight against the cursed pits. the Americans said they would hold the elections at all costs, so they don’t need some kind of Maydown thread at the same time as the input of our peacekeepers, therefore only visibility and the sheep are happy and the Russian bear does not interfere. And after the election, they can really suppress everything, depending on what order the new Department has from the State Department.
    4. atalef
      atalef 19 May 2014 22: 06
      0
      Quote: qwert
      And then what is their task? For two weeks now I can’t find an answer to this question ............

      Yes, it’s quite simple, block and prevent people from leaving Slavyansk, preferably with a minimum of victims on both sides, hold elections, and then finish everything
  40. Santor
    Santor 19 May 2014 18: 38
    +2
    Quote: qwert
    From the very beginning, I noticed a certain strangeness of the Kiev forces. There should be officers, and once they are there, they should know the basics of offensive combat — you cannot strike with spread fingers. However, for some reason, at the same time, there are clashes both near Kramotorsky and near Slavyansk, etc. There would be a task to occupy the cities, they would gather all their forces into a single fist and alternately occupy the cities. But no. troops are sprayed and are fighting on the outskirts. Therefore, the task of capturing cities is not before them. And then what is their task? For two weeks now I can’t find an answer to this question ............

    The task is to drag out time and still try to get Russia into it ..... That amount could have been taken for a long time ... Or maybe the Kiev ones are letting down the right-wingers and the rabid ones ???
  41. Santor
    Santor 19 May 2014 19: 03
    +3
    Quote: zadorin1974
    This whole so-called war looks like a farce. And just do not speak for couch Rimbos. It comes to ridiculous-in the cities there are parts of the junta, militias right there, well, I can't understand such a movement. About Karachun is a separate topic, they fired at and conducted mopping up, or is there not enough composition? About 200-300 they write almost battalions, well, almost the whole army has already been screwed up, and where are the results? Weapons in warehouses for 3 armies and everyone says there is not enough. Yes, mosinks and chz with optics can be in 10 block the whole mountain so that more than one head does not stick out, not to mention the Maxim and DShK machine guns. Well, such a "war" does not fit in my head. cool-GENERAL MARAZ COMPLETE !!!!!


    the mountain is a separate song - it is actually a complex of hills. They were busy and immediately equipped in engineering terms - as Sterlkov said they arranged Sapun-Gru there ... 152 mm self-propelled guns were placed on the return slopes, everything was shot, the signaling signals were placed correctly ... That would need to be neutralized by a minimum of a self-propelled division, reconnaissance whole and after arthur attack of the motorized infantry with the cover of armored vehicles and a smoke curtain ... There is an open field and a river in front of the mountain, it is not so easy to take ... In the photo, the entire hill is outlined in green - the television center itself ... There are simply no forces to take the mountain from Strelkov . Lyuda will put it all. Mount Karachun itself is two cones, just the complex itself is called Mount Karachun.

    http://vfl.ru/fotos/cc6c47e55182542.html

    http://vfl.ru/fotos/8fde825c5182543.html
  42. Partisan Kramaha
    Partisan Kramaha 19 May 2014 19: 34
    +3
    Quote: cosmos111
    smile
    I did not post about Strelkova-OH AND HIS PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING HEROES !!!

    but about those locals who really do not want to fight .... who wants to fight, he is not who, will not forbid ....
    how many photos ... militias with hunting rifles ...

    And if I don’t even have a hunting rifle, what should I do? Lack of experience, weapons, sit on the ass quietly!
    1. matross
      matross 19 May 2014 20: 34
      -2
      Quote: Partizan Kramaha
      And if I don’t even have a hunting rifle, what should I do? Lack of experience, weapons, sit on the ass quietly!

      This can justify anything! I don’t know how to fight, I don’t have a gun, I’ll sit at home! The war is not on the verge, it is already around. Given the experience of Odessa, Mariupol - victory or death! Fascists are fighting with you, not the Ukrainian army! Win - all arctic fox! Explaining to the executioners about their pacifist essence will be useless!
      1. Vitaly11
        Vitaly11 19 May 2014 23: 03
        0
        Quote: matRoss
        I don’t know how to fight, I don’t have a gun, I’ll sit at home! The war is not on the verge, it is already around

        so for reference ...
        For example, I served in the Central Design Bureau (Mukachevo) in the mid-90s, shot 12 rounds of ammunition for the entire service - what kind of shooter will I get after that? a person who wants to join the militia may have corny crap sight - what will be the shooter with him? an unfired person, even if he will be an Olympic champion in shooting, will do it in his own direction or, at best, he won’t understand what he’s doing at this time, but it’s not known where or why. And this is within the city - victims among the civilian population! but these are also problems of already fired companions!

        three loaders, but with a full hand, will load the car (for example, GAZ 53) with boxes of potatoes in 15-20 minutes (it was necessary to load to the limit, ie the carrier took more than the prescribed tonnage - 4 tons), if you add "left" to them 2 -3 people, a mess begins and the loading time doubles.

        it was stated here why the armored personnel carriers were traveling around Kramatorsk so freely and they were not being thrown with Molotov cocktails. Specialists, you see, all of us so knowledgeable shoveled a bunch of videos and articles on the internet, so you knew everything and everything about the situation in Kramatorsk or there in the Donbass .. you don’t have enough mind to clarify why it happens like that, but how I want a sofa warrior with real combat experience. So for the layout, and did not try to think, what could turn into the city throwing these same cocktails, if there are civilians nearby? regarding the throwing thereof from the roof, and you oh, the couch general was hit even from the roof of the house, the perimeter of which is covered with trees with a scattered crown, and even if this house is covered with slate ... so for reference, when approaching Kramatorsk from Donetsk, private houses were fired by armored personnel carriers, only because the checkpoint was not far away, fortunately there were no casualties! but what would happen to people, but within the city, even if a cocktail gets into an APC? that Natsik would be preoccupied with morality when shooting at people? it’s because of such sofa generals that people perish! - i.e. at least at baby level understand tactics and strategiesand not with the clever look of an airplane sitting at the helm or somewhere, allegedly having fought and therefore, having the right to indicate to whom and how to fight in the city, it I haven’t seen this city in my eyes ..

        even in the same ZELO, during the shooting in Kramatorsk one could hear the speech of the militia that they would NOT give weapons to a stranger! for this unfamiliar person, having taken a banal weapon, can go to rob shops or solve affairs with his offenders. Again about the couch generals, see the history of the criminal Kramatorsk

        though not sure, but I can assume that Strelkov’s statement is a banal military trick, because no one has yet canceled the information war. Not so Strelkov is stupid to aimlessly show their gap wink "War is the Way of deception!" - Sun Tzu

        PS now you can minus wassat
        1. matross
          matross 19 May 2014 23: 14
          -2
          Quote: Vitaliy11
          I served in the Central Design Bureau (Mukachevo) in the middle of the 90s, for the whole service I shot 12 cartridges - what will be the shooter after that?

          Heir of you shooter, amigo! So Natsik and tell later. If you listen will be your long and dull stories. Load cars further. Threesomes, as you love.
          1. Vitaly11
            Vitaly11 19 May 2014 23: 21
            0
            Quote: matRoss
            If you listen to your long and dull stories. Load cars further. Threesomes, as you love.

            About the shooter, an excellent pupil with clip thinking, you tell this to your fellow citizens who fled to the first Chechen from Chechnya, including Chechens who went to apartments in the Donbass, asked to devour people who had not received a salary for months ... my fighters ...
            1. matross
              matross 19 May 2014 23: 28
              -1
              Vitaly11
              Yes, my friend ... you are not just an ordinary, raw dill primate. You rascal.
              1. Vitaly11
                Vitaly11 19 May 2014 23: 43
                -1
                matross

                e-how ... what doesn’t like to listen to the truth about yourself?

                dill ... well, well, but I think, why did Yarosh so much ski ski, in the Kursk region .... and it turns out dill live there. fellow

                "buddy" teach history, otherwise clip thinking will play a cruel joke with you, for Donbass is not dill, but part of the former Russian Empire. It is because of such ignoramuses that there is a mess, both in military affairs and in politics.
                Good luck, I stop discussing this with you, because there’s nothing to talk to you about, sit on the couch and think that you are a great warrior ... keyboards wink
  43. Prjanik
    Prjanik 19 May 2014 19: 37
    +1
    Why come up with something? Well, they don’t take everyone in a row, which means that there really is no need for this, you can do with those who are. I’m observing how the entire valiant Ukrainian army has been advancing to the East all this time, and thoughts come that they either command the full force or imitate military operations. Troops drive back and forth, surround, burn out roadblocks, troops enter Slavyansk, then go out, roadblocks are rebuilt again. Further, everything is repeated .. time. It seems that few of the ranks are ready, in all seriousness, to take responsibility for the war and the massacres, and then end up on the hanger with iron. Actually, the National Guard is atrocious, unarmed people shoot heroes, but, in general, the combat effectiveness of these zombies tends to zero. This is a victory report for fierce battles and hundreds of dead terrorists with mercenaries every day.
    Well, Strelkov acts according to the situation, in the video there he does not refer to any volunteers, but have experience in military operations. About women's battalions there, so that people's conscience woke up.) And if necessary, they will call everyone and carry out a complete mobilization.
  44. tomcat117
    tomcat117 19 May 2014 19: 40
    0
    Likely the people did not completely listen to Strelkova I.
    In addition to the above, He said that people came to enlist in the army, but after they learned that they would not be allowed to go home and they had to fight where their commanders considered it necessary, many simply left.
    They wanted to get weapons and go to their home.
    You must understand that this cannot be an army, it’s local and sometimes not even the militia, which is formed according to the territorial principle.
    Such men hid under the skirts of their women. It seems that he doesn’t mind defending himself, a neighbor? - not! town? - not! Donbass? - No ?, but only your favorite courtyard.
  45. core
    core 19 May 2014 19: 40
    0
    Many want to be militias, but near the house, near the Zhinka, and Strelkov aimed not only to defend Sloviansk, but also to cleanse Ukraine from the Nazis, at least to the Dnieper. SO SHORTLY scary and not willing, you need to "WORK". But the fascists from the western regions do not work, they are serious. RIGHT SHOOTERS. waited for Putin and Russia, and mulberries have to do everything yourself. unusual.
  46. ks
    ks 19 May 2014 20: 13
    -1
    Do not let down the 5th column in the rear, it’s also a necessary thing.
  47. SLX
    SLX 19 May 2014 20: 50
    0
    I painted a sad picture Anton Slivkin. Can anyone believe her? Why not? It seems that it corresponds or almost corresponds to reality. But I'm used to the fact that any picture also has a wrong side. But what is visible on this inside?

    Do adults come to play with toys? It seems to be not. At their age, it would be time to already understand where they came from and how things could end for their precious bodies. And if they understand, then there is a mood and determination? But where are they? One of the self-proclaimed commanders did not accept them, and they, with a sense of fulfilled duty, went to the huts further to sit on the stoves.

    And these are those who were born in the USSR, who at least out of their ears, but still heard how, for example, Komsomol volunteers were eager for the front - ascribing to themselves years, just fleeing to the warring units (like, for example, one of my grandfathers - then 16-year-old), demanding and knocking on the tables while still with children's fists ... And here, adult men, determined, took and wrapped, and they went.

    And then the crowds of correspondents ran around the Ukrainian (and maybe Ukrainian now) towns, eagerly catching at least some signs of popular enthusiasm in the difficult work of protecting their land. But something was shy of these determined men to speak on camera. As well as hesitate to speak on the Internet. True, before Strelkov’s speech, for after her many people hastened to express the truth-uterus.

    And here's a little touch. The Ukrainian police de facto ordered a long life. What do determined people do in such cases? They unite, pick up the dubbing and begin to patrol the streets to maintain public order. And they demand, demand and once again demand that they be put in a hot reserve, trained in military affairs, and at the same time looked closely at them - worthy or not.

    Etc. Therefore, there is no need for sweet songs about bad militia commanders and white-furry people who want to become militias - whoever wants to finds ways, and whoever doesn't want to find excuses.
  48. GradusHuK
    GradusHuK 19 May 2014 21: 16
    +1
    Quote: matRoss
    Quote: SHILO
    Stupid in one word.

    This is a very true word for the situation! hi
    There are no less questions to the militia commanders than to the militias sitting at home. What game are they playing? From Russia, it all looks strange. What kind of combat experience can citizens of a non-warring Ukraine have? There is a desire, especially weapons - in order! It smells of sabotage ...

    It smells like a provocation to draw RUSSIA into a conflict
  49. gammipapa
    gammipapa 19 May 2014 22: 35
    +1
    It’s stupid not to trust Strelkov, the man really takes part and every day he runs a risk with his head.
    Yes, if you look carefully at his appeal, he does not say that no one is coming. He says that most people come to their minds - give us a weapon and we’ll go to guard our house, they’re coming. Many still go simply for medals, but as they face all the hardships and deprivations, they quickly dump them.
    There is also a criminal element which, when the opportunity arises, also easily shoots in the back.

    Officers of which dofig do not go, they are afraid to see that the pensions are not reset. Adequate men do not go, because they are afraid for their families and children. Young people do not go, because the entire Internet is littered with praise by the Nazis and they are pecking at them in the European Union.
    Strelkov is well done, but in this situation he only has to form like women in regiments to form the right decision
  50. comrade Bitch
    comrade Bitch 19 May 2014 23: 13
    +1
    Quote: Slavs
    Especially here the land underfoot is dear ...


    it means that someone lacked motivation, they wanted to fight only girkin ... in Kiev in February, there was plenty of other motivation that would be under the bullets, but only with bits ...