Appeal from the Commander of the DPR militia Igor Strelkov

Well, and: comment Igor Strelkov.

“Now for my statement. It is not the result of complete passivity or despondency. Just the opposite. I try to stir up those patriots who, having listened to the "victorious reports" and not seeing a single national guard (they are all around us hanging around), really decided that "victory is already in my pocket" and all that remained was to wait patiently for it without losing the benefits on native street or office. I just have to tell them the truth! To say that this victory will not be without the efforts of Nichrome, and if there will be far greater sacrifices than with those that can be avoided by making an effort now.

I'm sure of the victory. So ugly, false, ukry and their leaders, their propaganda, that they are waiting for the inevitable defeat - after all, they are deceiving themselves, and it’s impossible to win with such baggage ... The only question is about those victims that they have to pay, putting off the necessary efforts on the back burner and hoping "at random". "Perhaps Putin will land a landing party", "Perhaps a new Maidan will happen" and so on. There will be no new Maidan - that's for sure. And if there is something new Protestants are instantly announced "agents of Moscow" and suppressed, like cockroaches. Well, as an option - fry, as the Odessa activists. And the West will close its eyes with understanding. ”



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We bring to your attention an interview with three boys from Slavyansk, who express their opinions about the events taking place in their city.

Comments

[cosmos111]

if the people of the Donbass MEN do not stand up to defend their homeland, against pi "preorist junta, no one will do it for them !!!!

but, as a result, a sea of ​​blood and a slave life sticking for a penny on the bender of KALomoysky and Akhmetov !!!!!

[vladimirZ]

The men of Donbass sit under the women's skirts, capturing the telly and beer. Pancake survived, even their freedom, they are afraid to defend their lives and loved ones.
Instead, women of Donbass will protect their freedom and life! And the men will put on women's skirts and scarves, otherwise, God forbid, the right-wingers Bandera will come see the man and sew inadvertently.
Do not be ashamed, men of Donbass and the Luhansk region?

[obraztsov]

The peasants of Donbass and Lugansk need to understand that in the civil war, the position "my house is on the edge" is the most dangerous. If, God forbid, the militia loses or retreats, the nationalists will consider you as enemies and your property as booty. Why? Yes, because you did not fight on their side.

I hope you manage to protect your land from Bandera.
Yes, the hut that is on the edge burns first.

[Nick]

Quote: obraztsov

the position "my house is on the edge" is the most dangerous.

That's for sure! Set on fire first, as a rule ...

[nycsson]

Yeah! What to say. Brainwashing makes itself felt. Hence the result. I am glad that it does not affect everyone.

[GRANATE-19]

Quote: nycsson

I am glad that it does not affect everyone.

THERE ARE MEN - ALL MEN A MAN !!!

THEY SAVE THE HOMELAND - HOLY RUSSIA

[Sandov]

Quote: obraztsov

I hope you manage to protect your land from Bandera.
Yes, the hut that is on the edge burns first.

One by one, everyone will be transferred, unite and free their land, luck and happiness on the side of the strong and courageous. The petrel cries out to you.

[Genur]

Under the lying stone, water does not flow.

[Ross]

It’s useful for the men of Donbass to watch:

[from punk]

Quote: vladimirZ

Do not be ashamed, men of Donbass and the Luhansk region?

if they believe that this is a foreign war, then they are mistaken. And they don’t realize that they can’t sit quietly. One small city turned out to be bolder than the huge Donetsk. As shown, they came to the military unit as if they drove out the National Guard and she simply moved to another does Donetsk make sense?

[Iniipet]

Well, not everyone was affected.

By the way, I am interested in the question:
Here the United States is doing everything to consolidate its influence in Ukraine for 10 thousand. km. (and invests money, and sends mercenaries and specialists), and the Russians (when under the belly of x *** I) cries "couch patriots" to resistance? It is necessary to act as the United States send specialists and organize resistance cells, sabotage detachments, etc.

[anfil]

... by the way, I am interested in the question:
Here the USA is doing everything to consolidate its influence on Ukraine for 10 thousand Km ...

Do not put an equal sign between the USA and Russia!
And your attitude towards your country is already evident by the way you wrote the name of your country.

[Don]

Quote: anfil

And your attitude towards your country is already evident by the way you wrote the name of your country.

Maybe he wrote it right. For example, I do not respect the names of people. I also write with a small letter.

[anfil]

But with this attitude to their country, they protect it, but they probably respect it to the United States, since they wrote in capital letters.

[Lelek]

And completely in vain. Spelling curvature in the native language is disrespect for this language and for oneself.

[anfil]

Maybe he wrote it right. For example, I do not respect the names of people. I also write with a small letter.

This is most likely disrespect for the Russian language.
According to the rules of the Russian language, first names, patronymics, last names, pseudonyms, nicknames are written with a capital letter!
No respect for other people can be expressed by a verb, an adjective.

And the Motherland is that corner that we strive to preserve, protect, preserve. Where we feel good and free. Where we can be ourselves To protect and love the Motherland is the duty of every person. And not nationality or place of residence determines this, but internal feelings.

As in Russia it was not bad, I will NEVER write my homeland with a small letter !!!

[demon184]

it is written in Ukraine not as a country but as a geographical location, and it is necessary to write when we write the center, we do not write with a capital letter, so from what edge should we write something with a capital letter

[Cynic]

Quote: demon184

it is written in Ukraine not as a country but as a geographical location

Here, wherever you throw, a wedge is everywhere.
There is a geographical place _ the outskirts of the state, somehow you can’t hear about Ukraine.
So, in any case, non-compliance with certain rules of the Russian language.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Iniipet

It is necessary to act as the United States to send specialists and organize resistance cells

NECESSARY local peasants to join such groups (of which there are already many and many weapons) and "not sparing their belly" to fight the banderlog.
And if you do not want to, with respect , of course, reasons, the way Vysotsky sang: "no one could do anything" ...

[Androsh]

Maybe in the DNI and LC, you just need to call on people who served in the army through the military commissariats .. Then people will not lose their jobs and people can be selected the best ..

[1812 1945]

Quote: Androsh

Maybe in the DNI and LC, you just need to call on people who served in the army through the military commissariats .. Then people will not lose their jobs and people can be selected the best ..

You are probably right Androsh... Involving the military registration and enlistment offices to attract the passive part of the population will give an opportunity to check them "for lice" (official structures), and to fulfill the main task: to help someone overcome cowardice, someone - inertia. But Russia must also become more active. In order not to obscure the eyes of people with an example of extraordinary support for the junta by the forces of the United States and the European Union.

[Magadan]

buddy, and you do not seem to be aware that we have an eternal rasp..deal and "until the cock bites." In the end, this crisis was not invented in Russia, but all that we are doing so far is quietly fucking with how the destruction of the country and mutual extermination can be muddied. Sorry, but you should know -Russia does not work with such methods and does not even realize that some people can be such scoundrels, thugs and liars.
Nothing, break through, not the first time. Only now let Natsik and the unfinished and gay ropa Vaseline cook. As good as taking Paris / Berlin, this time we are not in trouble

[demo]

Russia does not work by such methods ?! Yes, she worked from 17 to 53 years old.
And very successful.
And we had padluk in the sea, and there were enough scumbags. Yes, and we are the same masters!
Why be modest! Al forgot a story?

[Cynic]

Quote: demo

Yes worked

Suspicions torment that now _ Not without sin.
It is only the EU that it seems to be together () with yusovtsy pursues some good goals, in fact, he blows up a fire in his house for the joy of USA!
With one action, the Yusovites are trying to achieve several goals and it seems that to squeeze Russia as a competitor is equal in order to lower the EU!

[gav6757]

You need to act like the USA, you're right! BUT! And who turned, on behalf of the DPR or the Luhansk region, to the Russians, Serbs, Israelis for help? Who!
There are volunteers, but you need to know where they are waiting for and to establish a border crossing.
So far, apart from declarative statements about the republic, the new leadership in Donetsk and Lugansk has done nothing to make people come to help. Not to mention that in these cities, until now, there are gangs of the "right sector" and "national guard", where will you meet people?
Well, do at least something, it should be a shame to be in front of the defenders of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk !!!

[Ross]

if they believe that this is a foreign war, then they are mistaken. And they don’t realize that they can’t sit quietly. One small city turned out to be bolder than the huge Donetsk. As shown, they came to the military unit as if they drove out the National Guard and she simply moved to another does Donetsk make sense?

But Strelkov is not easy!

In Donetsk, surrendered the Ukrainian squad of special forces "Jaguar"

Oleksiy Baganets, Deputy Prosecutor General of Ukraine, on air on the Inter TV channel, in the Details of the Week program, from 18.05.2014, admitted that he was surrounded and surrendered in Donetsk by the special forces detachment Jaguar. 97087592 According to the deputy prosecutor, 22 groups of investigators from the prosecutor general’s office were sent to Donetsk to detain the "separatists" and conduct searches. For their protection, they were given fighters of the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs - "Jaguar". In Donetsk, they were blocked by the fighters of the Donetsk People’s Republic, reasoning that it makes no sense to die for the Kiev junta of impostors, they laid down their arms and were held captive. Given that in each investigation group there were at least 12-14 people, at least 250 were captured, they surrendered along with weapons and special vehicles. The special forces regiment "Jaguar", its task is to reliably block the area of ​​the special operation, to provide support to the capture groups. As for the profile tasks, they include the elimination of illegal armed groups, the neutralization of criminals who are being searched for over a large territory, and the suppression of mass riots. For example, only “jaguars” are capable of effectively blocking and combing the woodland in our country, in Podillia (the unit is stationed near Vinnitsa. - Auth.). They can act both in small groups and whole companies, moreover, having the appropriate weapons and law enforcement skills.

Source: http://www.gradremstroy.ru/news/v-donecke-sdalsya-v-plen-ukrainskij-otryad-specn

aza-yaguar.html

[VAF]

Quote: vladimirZ

The men of Donbass sit under the women's skirts, capturing the telly and beer.

Hello Volodya!
Exactly two months ago, I began to write about it ....... was stabbed by the MINUSSATY, led by ESAUL .... and his ..... "by the swallows ... who flew in"
Well .... "bucket-patriots" and songbook ESAUL ....... "peacocks have arrived ... you are talking" !!! ???
Well .. "stick out" yab..lnik ... in the sense of .... "open your face .... gulchatay solar" ... and write. that Strelkov ... 3.14 is publishing and this is all editing and that ... he sold out, etc.
ESAUL .... go and ... shoot yourself ... CLOWN !!!
Well, all of his POSITIVE .. ". Ah .... Valera ... what an article.ah, mood.ah-ah-ah .....
Enough paper ... to wipe ???? "

[vladimirZ]

Hello, hello.
It's a shame for people who do not understand where is black and where is white, it is a shame for those who do not understand where is evil and where is good, for those who do not see two steps ahead, and do not understand that if you, personally you, today do not stand in ranks of resistance with Bandera, then trouble will come to you. Trouble will come to you personally, in the form of a drug-ridden Nazi, throwing a Molotov cocktail into your house at your family and children.
They naively think that this misfortune will avoid them. Bad ones, they do not understand that they will be killed because they are Russians, because they are "beaten", because they are not "Ukrainians", because they do not speak "Mov".
Maybe after such harsh, insulting words, something will stir in their brains, not all of them are cowardly ....

[VAF]

Quote: vladimirZ

Hello, hello.
It's a shame for people who do not understand where is black and where is white, it is a shame for those who do not understand where is evil and where is good, for those who do not see two steps ahead, and do not understand that if you, personally you, today do not stand in ranks of resistance with Bandera, then trouble will come to you. Trouble will come to you personally, in the form of a drug-ridden Nazi, throwing a Molotov cocktail into your house at your family and children.

Volodya. I totally agree, +!
Nothing THEM or ours " -patriots "neither history, nor .. classics teaches

"- I'm not going to fight anywhere," Sharikov suddenly barked gloomily into the closet. Shvonder was dumbfounded, but quickly recovered and politely remarked to Sharikov: "You, citizen Sharikov, speak extremely unconsciously. It is necessary to register for military registration." and to fight - shish with butter, - Sharikov answered hostilely, straightening the bow. " ("Dog's heart")
Was Bulgakov right?

Well, if without sarcasm, then the problem in the Donbass is really that the people want everything, as in Crimea, when Crimea reunited with Russia almost without a drop of blood, and not put its body under bullets.
You can understand them, but, on the other hand, the salvation of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves.
Moreover, Russia has already helped all that it could: on the international front, and by volunteers such as Babai, and on TV, the images flash (not only weapons from the Second World War).
And then it turns out that they themselves do not want to save themselves from Bandera terror, but they want someone to come and do everything for them. And this does not happen.

[Sterlya]

May God give Courage to Donetsk women. and let the "men" learn to give birth. shame and shame, although it was expected. they lived at random for 23 years

[O_RUS]

Quote: Sterlya

May God give Courage to Donetsk women. and let the "men" learn to give birth.

It is not enough to be born a boy to become a man. Proper education is needed. And there were Men in the Ukrainian SSR, and in present Ukraine they are, but not many.

[O_RUS]

Quote: Sterlya

May God give Courage to Donetsk women. and let the "men" learn to give birth.

It is not enough to be born a boy to become a man. Proper education is needed. And there were Men in the Ukrainian SSR, and in present Ukraine they are, but not many.

[Kahlan amnell]

Do not be ashamed, men of Donbass and the Luhansk region?

Something I now doubt that they are men. The presence of male primary sexual characteristics does not make a man, only a male.
Although I really hope that not everything has been lost and that they will again be the same and who they should be by nature.

[Kuznetsov]

Don't you think that the problem is not that they are afraid to fight for the DPR, but that they do not want? I doubt that miners and steelworkers are cowards without exception. It's just that Strelkov and his "brothers-in-arms" don't need much in the Donbass (my opinion). Nobody kills anyone for the Russian language, as before. "Right Sector" is a chupacabra that no one has seen, but everyone is afraid.
A friend from his father-in-law returned 3 weeks ago from Donetsk (we ourselves live in Kiev). He says that the Kiev authorities are not particularly favored, but in the Russian Federation they do not want to. And even more so, become independent. The same thing, I heard about Kharkov firsthand.
Weapons for free went to muddy comrades who, under the slogan "power to the people of" Dambas "!!!" shoplifting cars and vodka. And these characters clearly do not improve the image of the Strelka and the DPR. Therefore, if everything continues in the same direction, Strelka and co will only be supported for money (to stand at the rallies, shoot with closed eyes from the window and run away (just like the Sunnis in Syria, whoever has seen it). And such support cannot be sustainable ...

[Kuznetsov]

Yes ... and completely forgot ... Russia (specifically Putin) subsidized and ever-problematic Donbass nafig did not give up without other parts of the "South-East". He needs a large Transnistria in Ukraine or the entire Left-Bank Ukraine. It seems that this has begun to reach fans of the Russian zombie box in Ukraine. which is also clearly not a plus to all the shooters there.

[Blondy]

Yes, I recall the appeal of Bolotov, in the style of a group of Islamic terrorists, when he broadcast about twenty thousand bayonets in the forests of the Luhansk region.

[cosmos111]

Appeal of Zdrilyuk ("Abwehr") Deputy Igor Strelkov, to the people of Donbass ....

[ASSARU]

Clown. He's talking about whom. I do not understand. What is he doing there.

[kotvov]

especially, gifted, he protects the people from the Nazis.

[Spike]

Fascist face !!! And the flag is your color mattress

[Artyom]

Guys, don't let the flag mislead you! He absolutely does not mean anything! The guy disguises his IP address using a special program!

[Magadan]

Good run over the flags! In the US, a lot of worthy people who hate Natsik! They just have a problem with the information. Vaughn, Russia Today was chopped off.
By the way, in 2 weeks I will also fly under the yanker flag

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[Lelek]

You, dear one, need to change your "nickname" from ASSARU to OBOSRU.

[ASSARU]

I apologize for the words.
This is an example of why and how Russia is losing the information war.

[ASSARU]

I apologize for the words. But I will not change my opinion.

[gav6757]

You are a dog! You can only be torn for a picture !!!
I HATE FASHIVES, THE NAGS OF SHAME, YOU WILL RESPOND FOR OUR BIG MOTHERLAND -

THE USSR !!!

[ASSARU]

And what about your big homeland, you are ill chtoli.

[radar1967]

And such a mess in the head of their best fighter. Full kaput! I propose not to rock the boat, but urgently make a corridor and evacuate their entire almshouse in Crimea or elsewhere. Otherwise, the right-wingers will really come and beat all this army-Polish with bits.

[dzau]

Quote: radar1967

And such a mess in the head of their best fighter. Full kaput! I propose not to rock the boat, but urgently make a corridor and evacuate their entire almshouse in Crimea or elsewhere. Otherwise, the right-wingers will really come and beat all this army-Polish with bits.

Turntables are afraid of flying there, and you are talking about masons with brass knuckles.

In the frame, a fanatic, really charged. Such blockheads, bought with conscience, eat for breakfast.

[maks-101]

Strelkov correctly said, the Ukrainians of Donbass are asking to help Russia lead the troops, but they themselves want to sit out on the cracks like cockroaches, but they won’t be able to sit out on the basis that the PS will come and poison you like cockroaches. One time it was not enough when you had to go to the Maidan and wet this infection in the bud, today your fate is decided by your children.

[Sid.74]

Somewhere in Earth orbit ...

Donetsk Republic recognized !!!

[Sid.74]

On May 15 in Moscow, a concert of Korn and Soulfly was held, during which Max Cavalera (Soulfly) spoke out in support of the annexation of Crimea to Russia.

"Send to ... politics, Crimea is Russia," he said from the stage.

[Lelek]

Well, he’s been a PR, but still nice.

[Vita_vko]

Quote: maks-xnumx

Ukrainians of Donbass ask to help Russia lead the troops, and they themselves want to sit out on the cracks like cockroaches

Remember at least the Second World War. What did the militia do? It was auxiliary tasks that represented the last frontier of defense. Professionals fought for which at least small courses were held. Calling unprepared people to the front lines is almost a murder. In addition, there must be some kind of social guarantees for families, so that people going to the front lines know that in which case their relatives and friends will be protected. And this is an economic bloc that has not yet been resolved even at the level of declarations of the new authorities of the DPR and LPR.
Remember the examples of Transnistria, Karabakh, South Ossetia and Abkhazia everywhere, only the presence of Russian professional peacekeeping units with vast experience in combating provocateurs and armed groups could stop the bloodshed. Can it be that now, when specifically Russian people are being killed, and in fact genocide is being carried out in the most terrible fascist traditions, Putin and Russia will sit and calmly watch as villagers with pitchforks, and miners with shovels will fight off tanks, helicopters and planes ?! !!

[Lukerya Weaver]

According to the author, one might think that among the men of Donbas there is not a single one who has served in the army. And in the villages, and in the cities and among the miners there are probably those who served in the army and know how to handle weapons. Where are they? Russia cannot send troops into the territory of a foreign state, for the simple reason that they will immediately send NATO troops and there will be a real war all over Ukraine. Or the bombing will begin as it was in Yugoslavia. Do the people of Ukraine want a repetition of Yugoslav events on their territory? Therefore, do not la la. Russia helps than it can in this situation.

[alicante11]

According to the author, one might think that among the men of Donbas there is not a single one who has served in the army.

There is, but in order to fully fight all the specialists are needed. From staffers to trainers. Need an organization. Until someone does this, the militias, even those who served in the army, cannon fodder.

Where are they?

There, where you or your parents were in the 91st. Enough to dig Ukrainians already. They are the same as most of us. Until he says what to do, and even better, the summons is not sent, they will not be scratched.

Russia cannot send troops into the territory of a foreign state, for the simple reason that they will immediately send NATO troops and there will be a real war throughout Ukraine

And Crimea, it was not internationally recognized territory of Ukraine? For some reason, this did not stop us. And if the militias organize an army, then the war will be only in half of Ukraine? Let's remember how many fronts were during the war and in what territories it swept. There will be much more than those along which the WWII skating rink passed.

Or the bombing will begin as it was in Yugoslavia.

Wah, Baius, the Americans are not such boobies to lose their aircraft from beech and S-300-400. Russia is not Yugoslavia. It requires a truly full-scale operation involving all military branches, and if only from the air, then in Ukraine there will be a lot of scrap metal from crashed NATO aircraft. If there is an objection that Uraina is not Russia, then the SV of the Russian Federation also has its own air defense systems, among which there is the S-300.

Russia helps than it can in this situation.

Unfortunately, Russia is holding geopolitical games that we, mere mortals, do not understand, because we do not have all the information. Therefore, we can only build more or less plausible assumptions.

[socrates7]

I support. Most of the men served and know which side to approach the machine gun, grenade launcher. Yes, there are not many narrow specialists, but they are.

[Vitaly11]

Quote: Vita_vko

Calling untrained people to the forefront is almost a murder

or as Confucius said, "To send people to war untrained is to betray them"

although I agree with Strelkovy cavity ...

[radar1967]

And who does not allow to educate people? Two weeks is enough to get a specialty, training and combat coordination !!! IT IS ONLY NEEDED BY HIGHLY PROFESSIONAL INSTRUCTORS and EVERYTHING! THEY KNOW WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE IN BATTLE IN URBAN CONDITIONS.

1. Is it really impossible to organize training points in Donetsk ??? Learn weapons, TB, communications, medicine, group work. Is quite real.
2. Is it really impossible to create a mode of operation of resistance groups: 2 weeks worked, we spent on rest, reformation and retraining. This is life, not a movie. The soldiers need to rest, otherwise they will begin to rest in the service ...
TWO WEEKS ENOUGH! Or do you think the military professionals for years soak right, left, kill people?

[anfil]

Remember at least the Second World War. What did the militia do? It was auxiliary tasks that represented the last frontier of defense. Professionals fought for which at least small, but courses were held.

WELL LET'S REMEMBER THE WWII!

People’s militia in the Great Patriotic War 1941 — 45, volunteer military and paramilitary forces of persons not subject to the primary call for mobilization, created to help the Red Army; one of the forms of participation of the Soviet people in the armed struggle against the Nazi invaders.
Hundreds of thousands of people (workers, office workers, students, collective farmers, workers in science, technology, culture, etc.), not subject to appeal, appealed to the party and Soviet organizations, to the military registration and enlistment offices with a request to send them to the front.

Hundreds of thousands of people of non-conscript age filed at the desks. and Komsomol organizations, statements to the district military enlistment offices with a request to immediately send them to the front. 2 July 1941 at a meeting in the Kremlin was informed of the decision of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) on the formation of people. volunteer militias. Formation of Nar. militias took place in various districts from July 1941 to ser. 1943. Workers from 17 to 55 years (in Ukraine from 16 to 60 l.) Who were not subject to an immediate appeal for mobilization could join the militia.

And what we see now, healthy men do not want to defend their land and are waiting for the army of another state to come free them!
And remembering only now that we are "brothers"!

[scientist]

Quote: anfil

And what we see now, healthy men do not want to defend their land and are waiting for the army of another state to come free them!
And remembering only now that we are "brothers"!

By your logic, it turns out that it was a mistake to send troops into South Ossetia and Abkhazia, to fight terrorists in the North Caucasus and many other peacekeeping operations involving Russian troops. Why, then, you did not say that the local population would independently clean up there and take up arms. But in these regions there were almost no Russians! So the introduction of troops is justified there, but here, when dozens of Russians are burned alive, Putin was frightened of sanctions!
Although everyone is well aware that if you do not push the war away from your home, then it will come to you soon. Ukraine is an ideal base for NATO - close and the local population is not a pity. If everything is left to chance, soon missiles aimed at Moscow will not be in Poland, but in Lugansk with a flight time of 5 minutes, no missile defense will help, the capital will have to be transferred to Irkutsk or Chita, closer to the Chinese allies.

[avia1991]

Quote: scientist

By your logic, it turns out that it was a mistake to send troops into South Ossetia and Abkhazia, to fight terrorists in the North Caucasus and many other peacekeeping operations involving Russian troops.

Peacekeeping operations are a completely different story! Here we are talking about the armed support of the REGION OF UKRAINE against the rest of Ukraine - that is, in fact, an intervention against another country. The DPR announced its existence - but it has not yet been recognized, and has not turned through the lips of its legitimate elected leaders to Russia for military assistance. The bureaucracy of international relations is still a "forest" .. Abkhazia and South Ossetia were recognized, and there were our peacekeepers, attacked by the Georgians in the first place - so there "God himself ordered"
And with terrorism, on our territory, we simply must fight!

[Cynic]

Quote: avia1991

. Abkhazia and South Ossetia were recognized

Only six years have passed, and how they are already talking about the events of 08.08.08.
Respected avia1991 Well, we are online, is it really so difficult to clarify when, and most importantly, who recognized the independence of these republics.

[alicante11]

Here we are talking about the armed support of the REGION OF UKRAINE against the rest of Ukraine - that is, in fact, intervention against another country.

Again. In Crimea, we were stopped by the fact that it was the territory of "another country"? No, it didn't. There were Russians, and in the Luhansk region, in the Donbass, Odessa, in the Kharkov region there are also Russians and there are many of them. And they are being killed, but they have not yet been killed in Crimea. What is the difference?
The difference is that no one expected the Crimean move from us. Therefore, there could be no serious sanctions or the deployment of NATO troops to the rest of Ukraine. In the SE situation, it's a little different. Sanctions are already ready, NATO troops are also ready. How many mastercard and visa cards each writing here has? Can you imagine what queues will be lined up to the banks if tomorrow they will no longer be served? Or will NATO troops be able to march across Ukraine without encountering resistance, isn't it faster than ours over the corpses of dill "partisans" and dibiloids from the National Guard? In principle, of course, all these issues can be solved. You can stand the queue, in a week the excitement will subside, but in reality only liberals and hamsters will yell. The rest in the majority will understand, especially since the propaganda machine is in the hands of the state. Airborne and naval assault forces can be deployed to capture bridgeheads where NATO forces will be stopped. But they, too, are calculating options. And they, too, prepare their moves, their landing method, and they will not have to suppress the dill air force and air defense in the direction of their aircraft. In principle, victory in the Civil War is optimal for the Kremlin. In principle, everything goes to this. At the most difficult moment, ours helped the Novorossians with special forces, which was able to take control of important points and keep them at the dill ATO. Now, for sure, our advisers are already operating there, who organize civil power and the army. When the organizational measures for the headquarters and the rear are carried out, weapons and supplies will go across the border. And then the dill will be driven to the West.
But, unfortunately, this whole holiday is paid for by the lives of Russian people in SEU. With their lives they protect us from standing in line at banks, with their lives they prevent the entry of NATO troops into Ukraine.
Is it good or bad on the part of the Kremlin? I dont know. From a human point of view, it’s bad. But from a strategic point of view - if you look at the future, perhaps well.

[Cynic]

Quote: alicante11

no one expected the Crimean move from us.

Someone was expecting there, did not expect a long, pointless conversation, in the sense that Crimea is already part of the Russian Federation!
But, the fact that, most likely, the GDP did not expect this, is more than likely.
Yes, who ever expected the script from Maydanuty _ The worse, the better!

[alicante11]

And here, the fact that, most likely, the GDP did not expect this, more than likely

Well, well, and out of surprise so quickly sent to the Crimea "polite little green men", well equipped and prepared. The operation was calculated and prepared in advance.

[Cynic]

Quote: alicante11

Well, well, and out of surprise, he sent "polite little green men" to Crimea so quickly

Sorry, but exactly where were you during the Crimean events? Your question
not that strange, but essentially provocative.
For information, there are two statements of GDP _
We did not send troops into the Crimea.
И
Polite people are our soldiers.
I remember the hysteria of the liberal media _ GDP is lying!
The fact that in Crimea, according to the agreement on the Black Sea Fleet, may be located about 25 thousand. Russian military personnel all have forgotten.
Polite people ensured the observance of order (Agreement on the Black Sea Fleet) at the CRIMINAN Aircraft Carrier, and if Crimea decided not to start independent sailing, but to return to its former home port, then what kind of maidanut should be _ Do not support?
Honestly, I have a term green men politely evokes rejection. These ufological terms are from the evil one!
Polite people ! And no other way!

[commoners]

Militia in the Great Patriotic War of 1941–45

Why do we compare the civil war in Ukraine with the Great Patriotic War? At least this is not correct, compare with the civil war of 1918. The Bolsheviks, at first, also threw a cry "the revolution is in danger" they waited for the volunteers to come running over "a million" but did not wait. And they waited for the Whites in Orel, quickly tied up with democracy, announced mobilization and the result is known. Donetsk will not have an army until mobilization is announced. And Russia will not help now, we would have to digest Crimea.

[mihasik]

In addition, there must be some kind of social guarantees for families, so that people going to the front lines know that in which case their relatives and friends will be protected. And this is an economic bloc that has not yet been resolved even at the level of declarations of the new authorities of the DPR and LPR.

Warranty?? What are the ... Warranties !? They take away their country, home, rights, and they will bargain !? Type: Give me money, I’ll go to defend my home, don’t give, I won’t go. These are not Russians, these are real ho.hly. Everywhere they seek profit. This is the only way to miscalculate! And then it will be too late.

[scientist]

Quote: mihasik

Warranty?? What are the ... Warranties !? They take away the country, the house, the rights, and they will bargain!

It should be about the economic program of the new republic and the protection of people who came to its defense! Naturally, these guarantees should be at the expense of those who oppose the new government in the form of confiscation of property and those who prefer to sit out in the basement in the form of taxes and forced labor. Even the terrorists, with their methods of training and zombie the martyrs, are well aware that if they don’t give guarantees to the families of the suicide bombers, none of them will want to die, they simply will not let him go.

[traffic-05]

Putin will not send troops until the people themselves take action ... and why should Russian soldiers shed their blood for those who sit under the skirt of their wives ????? A referendum is certainly good, but it’s also necessary .... to raise my own!

[socrates7]

Look a little further than your nose. What Russia, what peacekeepers. Really it is not clear, bayonets are needed. Protecting our land is the holy duty of every citizen.

[krpmlws]

It is time to get rid of idealism (all people are obliged to voluntarily take up arms) and emotions (everyone follows the principle of my hut from the edge, everything is lost). It is necessary to form a people's army not only on a voluntary basis, but also on call. It is necessary to send out summons if a person does not is to initiate a criminal case. Of course, it is necessary to provide material support to the called-up soldiers of the people's army so that their families are not penniless. It is necessary to give guarantees in case of disability, to provide free and high-quality treatment in case of injuries during the fighting. create a normal army. What is now in Novorossia is a people's militia, which is clearly not enough to fulfill the tasks of upholding the state interests of Novorossia.

[Sid.74]

Quote: krpmlws

It is necessary to form a people's army not only on a voluntary basis, but also on appeal. It is necessary to send out summons, if a person is not, then institute criminal proceedings.

Brilliant ... On the line of military registration and enlistment offices, to form an appeal, right? ... Which are all near Kiev and the lists of draftees so that they can reach the junta so that the relatives of draftees live well ... but about criminal liability is something with something .....
And what does it mean it's time to create a normal army for what means? New Russia at the moment is an unrecognized republic without a clear border and management structure, without taxation, courts, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I am silent about the banking and economic sphere! Where are you in a hurry, everything will be! The referendum is only 11 the numbers have passed! Can you make a country in a week ???

[krpmlws]

Sid. 74, advisers like you, Lenin and others, the Bolsheviks in 17g would have thrown out and done right. No need to engage in demagogy. How do you think they held a referendum in the Crimea in the absence of notorious lists? If there was a will, mobilization can be done now. Criminal liability in accordance with the martial law in Novorossia, what surprises you? A military tribunal is what it's called. You still twist your finger, it’s right for you continue. At the expense of funds: there is power based on the army, so there will be sources of financing. Or do you expect that in six months, or how much time will you devote there, after the formation of all the institutions of the state, it will be possible to start creating an army?

[Sid.74]

Quote: krpmlws

Sid.74, such advisers as you Lenin and others, the Bolsheviks in 17 would be thrown out and correctly done.

They would have shot me, don’t even have doubts, I wouldn’t treat Comrade Lenin well! Moreover, Igor Strelkov would also be shot because he is a convinced White Guard!

Quote: krpmlws

How do you think they held a referendum in Crimea in the absence of notorious lists?

The referendum was held in the DPR anyway! But mobilization through the military enlistment office, in my opinion, is stupid!

Quote: krpmlws

. At the expense of funds: there is power based on the army, so there will be sources of financing.

Akhmetov was directly out of breath to help the DNI! And despite the fact that he has all the property in the heavy industry of the DNI! Banks under another oligarch, settlement bank servers in my opinion in Kiev! Gas transmission hub in Kharkov! I certainly understand that you probably mean revolutionary expediency , the current has real opportunities and there are wishes! Reality is tougher! And it takes time to do real things, now the DNI industry is working by inertia and it will last for a couple of months and then everything will rise! And then the DNR army will noticeably more dates and without mobilization!
The shooter just wants to stir up those who want to sit out so that people take up their own newly made republic and participate in both the political and military component of the life of the republic!

[krpmlws]

1. No need to translate the arrows, it is not a political orientation, but an adequate understanding of the situation. With advisers like you, the Bolsheviks could never take and hold power in their hands. 2. Stupidity, what exactly do you think is it, or am I somehow catching up with the flight of your thoughts? To establish control over the military registration and enlistment offices and start sending out summons is the greatest stupidity? In any case, you can find ways to conduct mobilization. 3. How did the Bolsheviks maintain the army? Once again, do not engage in demagogy, you must act, the Bolsheviks acted, it is necessary to establish and maintain power to learn from them.

[Sid.74]

Quote: krpmlws

.With advisers like you, the Bolsheviks could never take and hold power in their hands.

Just you advise! I am only thinking!

Quote: krpmlws

To establish control over the military registration and enlistment offices and start sending out agendas is the greatest nonsense?

It's actually like writing a black mark to people, well, think it yourself! It’s easier then to order a SMS from a mobile operator and urge everyone! But why do we need everything? Simply say, manage several hundred than 10 thousand! And they also need to be fed! And they also have families and whose children also need to be fed!

Quote: krpmlws

.How did the Bolsheviks support the army?

Shitty they kept their army at first! Taking money from the population and dispossessing the peasants, I need to say that this subsequently led to extremely fig consequences! The people of Donbass live better than anyone else to rob them! Oh, this is not an option, not an option ! Do not blindly copy the Bolsheviks, the time is different and 2.0 communism will not work!

[krpmlws]

1. Again, take the conversation away, it would be better to keep silent. 2. What is still a black mark? Defending the Motherland is an honorable duty, the summons will only remind you of this and potential responsibility in case of no-show. It is not about conducting a total mobilization, it is enough to call on those who are needed by the army. 3. First of all, it is necessary to establish control over the financial system of the republic (in the republic, taxes are probably also transferred to Kiev), over all industry and business, this is where the funds for the army are.

[Sid.74]

Quote: krpmlws

First of all, it is necessary to establish control over the financial system of the republic (in the republic, taxes are probably also transferred to Kiev), over all industry and business — this is where the funds for the army are.

Well, you yourself understand! What you need to do first of all! And you won’t be able to redirect taxes without Akhmetov, since this oligarch shouts that Ukraine needs a new constitution and not a federation, a typical position of Ukrainian oligarchs! And it’s almost impossible to block transfers because servers in Kiev!

Quote: krpmlws

Defending the Motherland is an honorable duty, the summons will only remind you of this and potential liability in case of no-show.

And who argues! Only the homeland of many in Ukraine and the DPR, although an independent republic, wants to remain part of Ukraine (in Novorossia) only without a memory! Since the people voted for the DPR and not for complete secession! And percent so 70 is still in in limbo both here and there!

Quote: krpmlws

. What is another black mark?

Well, suppose we caught a person with pravoseki summons and automatically calculated those military stocks that could be useful to the DPR, and then arrests and arrests again and there’s no replenishment! Agenda well, what about the last century! If they needed specific military men they would they said an artilleryman was required, a tankman was needed! But they only scolded and shamed! But for what purpose did they do this? I can assume that a replenishment of well-equipped soon will appear!
And here's the militia got "NEEDLES"!

[Sid.74]

Quote: Sid.74

And here's the militia got "NEEDLES"!

Found a photo!

It’s getting harder and harder to fight fascist punishers with militias ...

Militias in Slavyansk say they will shoot down Ukrainian helicopters and airplanes. So the representative of self-defense of Donbass said that militia units are ready to destroy Ukrainian combat helicopters or aircraft if they appear over peaceful cities.

So attack and multipurpose helicopters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were ordered not to enter the zone of probable shelling around the city of Slavyansk. The so-called buffer zones were installed for flights at a distance of 5 km in the vicinity of the city of Slavyansk. Now it is assumed that all the militia's MANPADS are in the city of Slavyansk in the amount of 6 units. This information is currently being specified, but according to the previously published video appeal of the militia, it can be judged that they have Igla MANPADS with "friend or foe" interrogators removed.

The crews of combat helicopters were informed of the presence of large-caliber machine guns and MANPADS of the Igla type in service with the militia. It is worth noting that previously there have already been cases of shelling of helicopters with MANPADS. So, two Mi-24 combat helicopters of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were destroyed, as a result of which 5 people were killed and one was seriously injured.

[avia1991]

Quote: Sid.74

about the presence of Igla MANPADS with “friend or foe” interrogators removed.

Damn it! And what kind of weapon was not "lying around in the salt mines"!
And the requestors, of course, were removed - why are they needed "in storage"?

[zeleznijdorojnik]

Needles are great. But what about the first video - no saiga or boar ???

[krpmlws]

1. You say unconvincingly, maybe you cannot accurately formulate your thoughts, or there is no point in them. "It will not work without Akhmetov, because this oligarch is shouting ..." - there is no logic in this, I do not know how you imagine represent the establishment of control over business in the republic? You probably think that it is necessary to make an appointment with Akhmetov or another oligarch and start persuading them to recognize the republic, to convince them to give funds to the republic? It is Akhmetov who must crawl over and tearfully beg to take the money from him, because he is such a patriot and a fighter against fascism. Otherwise, you yourself understand what will happen to his property in the republic. Regarding blocking transfers, you also did not understand why they should be blocked if the enterprise located in the republic will not transfer money to Kiev? 2. 70 percent today, if not more, for the reunification of Novorossiya with the Russian Federation. 3. Talk nonsense about subpoenas. No one will figure out and catch anyone with subpoenas in their pockets. Strelkov says that first of all, regular officers are needed, the units are commanded by sergeants, there are also not enough staff officers. And this is the situation in the existing militia units, to say nothing about the need to create new subunits and equip them with officers. As for the replenishment, there are enough people in the republic itself, and the Russian Federation could unofficially finance (although who knows, it may already be financing) and start supplying weapons and ammunition, that would be enough to build an army. The anti-tank missile system is an excellent thing, probably bought on the black market or obtained in battle from the Nazis. In any case, the equipment of the people's army is alarming, because they still need to expel the invaders from their territory and liberate the whole of Novorossiya. Without reasonable and decisive action by the new authorities to establish control over business in the republic, it will be impossible to implement this plan.

[Turkir]

Nationalization of all assets of the republic.
Association of Donetsk and Lugansk.
The discovery, finally, of the borders is to remove the Bandera rogues from the border guards and customs officers. Own people should stand.
Trampling on the spot will not bring to good.
-------------
Where is Bolotov? Why nothing is heard about him. Where did the Tsarev disappear?
"Don't call me anymore, Igor" - Kalomoytsev, a bandit with an Israeli passport, is cursing Tsarev, and he calls him Igor. Scared?
But Strelkov would not be afraid.

[Erg]

Dear, the Bolsheviks had full support from "Sam". There is such a name Parvus. Ask who he was, if you are interested - other names will go. So you will get to Lenin, Trotsky, Sverdlov and others. The Bolsheviks could not lose, everything was too well prepared and financed. Don't hang out in the clouds. Yours faithfully

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Erg

Dear, the Bolsheviks had full support from "Sam". There is such a name Parvus. Ask who he was, if you are interested - other names will go. So you will get to Lenin, Trotsky, Sverdlov and others. The Bolsheviks could not lose, everything was too well prepared and financed. Don't hang out in the clouds. Yours faithfully

Not everyone has yet understood that Lenin's gang is nothing more than the "white-gongs" of the last century, and the entire Bolshevik elite is a junta.

[Turkir]

Parvus worked for German intelligence.

[samuil60]

What do you bring the Bolsheviks as an example? The Bolsheviks in the 7th acted almost in the same way as the junta in Kiev! They seized power by force of arms (because no one in their right mind in then-Russia would have voted for them), instituted a tough punitive system that suppressed any dissent, artificially created hunger in the country, blaming the mythical bourgeois and priests, the bulk of Russia's gold reserves were removed in the USA (since most of the leaders of Bolshevism in the field were Jews from Brighton. If the DPR begins life with the same methods of struggle, it is unlikely to live ...

[Erg]

I fully support.

[Alekseev]

Quote: krpmlws

It's time to get rid of idealism (all people are obliged to voluntarily take up arms)

Yes, not a single serious politician or national leader suffers from such idealism.
Whole nation even in the 100-150 thousandth protest could not go in Donetsk.
But it takes only 20-30 thousand to the militia. Of the 7 million people in Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Suppose there are only 500 thousand suitable men, so you need out of a total of 5 people ...
There are no fewer cops that supposedly went over to the side of the DPR, the military, etc.
Well, if the passive choice of the population will submit to the junta, then the Russian Federation must accept all pro-Russian activists. This will be the basis for the formation of the new Russian Cossacks.

[Hamul]

No matter how picnic, but I grilled about it a month ago.
On a fig of Russia to fight for these .... to send troops to bring home zinc ... easier to take out to the Russian Federation all who do not want to be with the Nazis.
Fuck ... there are no other words already, look - the men are standing at the checkpoints, fighting - and in the meantime, the local Aborigines went fishing - Shot !!! Women are shot in cars !!! In Odessa, they burned the peaceful people !!! In Mariupol, the cops were burned and the demonstrators were shot !!! and so on in all areas such as New Russia
HOW TO NOT RISE AGAINST THIS? H.Z. ((((

Or maybe they all Ukraine really have to go to Geyropu? There Conchita go in formation — they will be there at home ..... if only Donetsk and Lugansk had risen completely — a really guerrilla war would have begun and the Natsik would have fled home, in fear, because when a lighter bottle and a lighter could fly from every angle , or to explode a landmine - THIS IS VERY SCARY - to fight with the people to no purpose. And there you would look and Khar'kovschina rose, etc. Odessa was freed

Regrettably - but the conclusion should probably be made like this - Strelkova with her squad to leave either for Russia or to remain in their previous positions without hope of victory and with doom to lay down their heads for someone who inevitably ...

The conclusion can be drawn as follows: At the heart of Ukraine are worms that deserve what has come to power.

[dr.star75]

Unfortunately you are right!

[Erg]

If I had my way, I would put ten pluses. When the heat starts, they will go to their homes and ask - "you are with us." The answer is no - a bullet. Then there will be a real civilian. And now ... You write everything correctly. Scary for the guys. Heroes will fall. And for whom? Russia needs such guys

[sergey261180]

Quote: Hamul

On a fig of Russia to fight for these .... to send troops to bring home zinc ... easier to take out to the Russian Federation all who do not want to be with the Nazis.

This is not an option. Nowhere to retreat. First to Russia, then where to the north pole?

Quote: Hamul

Or maybe they all Ukraine really have to go to Geyropu? There Conchites go in formation - they will be there at home

But this is an option. To recapture the territory, and the crest will finish to relocate to a geyopa.

[samuil60]

I’ve been talking about this for a long time. Look at the same Abwehr half the village for him, and half - against. Many peasants fought in the civilian in Ukraine (and all for whom), but many times more they stayed at home, drank vodka and looked - who could beat whom. And who will be the main one, let’s go after that! We see the same thing now. Our president is right! Head laying of our guys for this swamp? Help - and so we secretly help, but no one will do all the work for them. As they say: you can support what is worth it! Well, if you sniff it, the troops will be brought in in an hour. And the Chief will not come from China empty-handed. Do you think he went to talk about gas? That's it.

[strannik595]

real men play hockey, a coward does not play hockey ...... "miners will stand up, they will tear everyone up" - the women stood up ... the men lay down on the sofa .. shame ..... and for such male creatures Russian boys from Ryazan and Pskov should come and fight?

[aleks700]

That's bad that no one except them. It is impossible to consider what is happening inside the Ukrainian showdown. The first Maidan, with Yushchenko, yes, a showdown. And now this is a war against fascism. And while on the far approaches. Now the Russian government is trying to sit out. Apparently in the hope that they will forgive Crimea. They will not forgive. And we must build politics with an eye on our people, and not on the sanctions of gays.

[Sid.74]

Quote: aleks700

Now the Russian government is trying to sit out.

The government is pulling rubber! For soon there will be grandiose mega-seams! What for wasting power and resources if the adversary breaks his own head!

[Nick]

Quote: aleks700

Now the Russian government is trying to sit out. Apparently in the hope that they will forgive Crimea. They will not forgive. And we must build politics with an eye on our people, and not on the sanctions of gays.

Politics must be built for the benefit of Russia, for the benefit of its peoples, and not in a momentary situation, but in the long run ...

[Nick]

Quote: cosmos111

if the people of the Donbass MEN do not stand up to defend their homeland, against pi "preorist junta, no one will do it for them !!!!

So far it’s worse for them to lose their jobs and salaries. Their life is not in danger. That's when it will be worse to lose a life, then they will probably rise ...
A wise Russian proverb says - Thunder will not strike, a man will not cross himself.

[sniper]

Quote: Nick

Thunder will not strike, man will not cross himself.

Unfortunately, you are right ... In my opinion, an appeal can only worsen the situation ... If a person does not want to take up arms and go to war, then he is satisfied with what he is, that is, he does not support the protest movement. If you call him up by force and give him a weapon, then it is not known in which direction he will turn this weapon ... Recently, it seems to me that the mood in the South-East is far from ideal and what we see is actually not quite so ... The situation there is, of course, insanely difficult and I sincerely feel sorry for those patriots who are fighting for their freedom. But it is impossible to bring in troops, it seems to me that it would be a mistake. Until it gets really bad and the inhabitants of the "extreme huts" themselves do not take up arms ... Sorry if you offended anyone, but wrote what I think ...

[Ross]

The latest information from Strelkov is a summary for May 18 !!
"So today's summary.
"Ah-ah-ah! Here you are, old man! Sit down, drink your beer! Today is a good summary!" (from)
Today early in the morning from two sides at the same time an enemy checkpoint was attacked in the area of ​​the settlement Robin. At the same time he was fired from a mortar and several grenade launchers at close range. 2 APCs burned down on the spot, the roadblock was completely destroyed, the enemy suffered heavy losses in manpower. Our losses are 1 wounded.
At noon, a grove was bombarded with mortar fire in the area of ​​the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk road, in which the consolidated units of the National Guard, the 25th and 95th airmobile brigades and a checkpoint located nearby are located. In the grove there are three fires, and through binoculars it was perfectly visible how many soldiers scattered in panic (the grove is small - 400 by 50 meters). They fired 60 min. 82-mm at the grove, 10 shells "Nona" at the checkpoint. Another 6 shells were sent to the artillery positions on the return slope of Karachun. Later, helicopters landed on Karachun and at the checkpoint and took out the wounded.
Towards evening, our reconnaissance unit received information about the enemy's location in N of the item. Seleznevka (outskirts of the city, 2 km north of Semyonovka). The reconnaissance group secretly entered the village and in a fleeting battle destroyed 6 "national guards" (black uniform, helmets "painted" with slogans and emblems of the "right sector"), a dozen more were wounded. KAMAZ was burnt.
In total, according to radio interception, today the enemy’s casualties killed and wounded exceeded 100 people, 3 BTR, radio station based on GAZ-66, 2 trucks were destroyed.
According to the population, the enemy is now thrust into plastic boxes from small arms and taken to Raisins, where all the morgues are already filled with corpses - the refrigerators are full.
With the onset of darkness, the enemy conducts a disturbing fire on our positions with howitzers and mortars.

We have just reported that our reconnaissance unit has attacked the BZS checkpoint. A shot from a "Fly" destroyed 1 BMP. Several National Guardsmen were incapacitated killed and wounded.

The enemy hollows out the checkpoint, from which ours came out, from howitzers ... But there is no one there. :-) "

PS about the big losses of the enemy:
"The grove was packed with people like herring in a barrel. And they got there very well and in a heap. The same thing happened in Malminovka - everything was very tight."

[Roshchin]

In our turbulent times, patriotism and readiness to defend our land must be supported not only with weapons, but also with money. One of the important factors in increasing the prestige of the Russian army and the attractiveness of the service is increasing the pay of the military. The Americans carried to the Maidan not only packages of buns but also sacks of money. The same militias need to support their families for something and know what will happen in case of their death or injury. There is another way - to rob. But this is no longer an army. Recently, it has been announced that the airborne troops and the Strategic Missile Forces will switch to a fully contractual basis. Those. to the service for money. At the same time, no one belittles the patriotic feelings and readiness of Russian servicemen to fight for their homeland. The time has come to fight with "partners" not only with ideas and weapons, but also with bags. Contrast bags of dollars with bags of rubles.

[ast114]

Well, gentlemen, officers, are you still here?

[nstarinsky]

The words said by this brave man are heavy. It would be possible to throw offensive words to young Dnipropetrovsk-no one will fight for you. But this will not be true - they are already fighting for you. And you will be ashamed.

[Turkir]

And you will be ashamed

Right.
Only not "will be", but already should be ashamed.
Do not believe me, but I'm already ashamed of Strelkov and his guys, in front of the inhabitants of Slavyansk. I am ashamed, but not living near.
And these endless stuffing of false information: these go, then they go to the rescue.
For these "cautious" not only fight, but also die.
I don’t feel like writing even ..
Shooters - a person worthy of immense respect. It’s hard to put someone near him.

[ALEX74]

The salvation of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves! Until the men in Donbass stop hiding in the huts and hope for an uncle who piles on banderlogs, they will be burned and shot.

[aleks700]

Drowning we all. Do not rely on Donbass. The Russian army is able to quickly crush the fascist svo-lo-whose

[Nick]

Quote: aleks700

Drowning we all. Do not rely on Donbass. The Russian army is able to quickly crush the fascist svo-lo-whose

This is of course, but, in NATO, IMHO, they have long been waiting for such actions from us, then they will have a reason to respond with their troops to Ukraine and force their governments to increase military budgets ...

[Day 11]

For volunteers, the state is not responsible

[Sid.74]

Quote: Nick

force their governments to increase military budgets ...

Yeah, we also need to untie our economy for a short time, by releasing our own fighters and new armored personnel carriers! And we need it? No, of course, so we wait and be silent! Putin will fly to Beijing, here we will draw preliminary conclusions! Thinking GDP will persuade the US to break down and bend them once and for all! Moreover, a lot of efforts do not need a little American treasury to the market from China to throw and truncate! Fenita la comedy!

[Nick]

Quote: Sid.74

No, of course, so we wait and be silent!

Well, we are not silent, Lavrov is working, Churkin is working, we are speaking our word at the international level, non-lethal assistance is being provided to the southeast. So far, only so ...

[Erg]

That's how fishing will come - but there is no hut ... God forbid, of course

[Siberian German]

and it’s all right in our opinion — he thought of something and did it all - he doesn’t happen if the state decided to build it, now you need to forget about the relaxation, the enemies don’t sleep - the hebrew Tsareva didn’t hesitate to call directly from the synagogue

[biglow]

it is possible that this is still the case
War is a way of deception. Therefore, even if [you] are capable,
show your opponent your inability. When to enter the battle
your strength, pretend to be inactive. When [target] is close, show
as if she is far away; when is it really far, create
the impression that she is close.
Sunzi. Art of War

[Erg]

It can and is true, but I also thought at the Olympics when I was rooting for our hockey players ...

[Imperial]

I looked yesterday, the impression is heavy, they opened a whole branch at the Sevastopol Forum; http://sevpolitforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=790306&sid=ec974b5b806c4105d9b4ce
1c2a787033 and the forum of Slavyansk and to read that is disgusting http://torum.org/index.php?PHPSESSIDIDd3c53cea057d11f7d1628d7487464107&board=24.0
I understand that there has come a lot of Bandera, but still. Okay, let's hope for the best. Arrow - be alive, do what you should and whatever happens, victory will be yours.

[kotvov]

thank you, read it. I don’t know what to call it: stupidity, indifference or dementia. and the arrow of military success.

[Turkish Granite]

This is the atrophy of the brain and the transition to the management of judgment and morality of the spinal cord and cerebellum, which is responsible for the well-being of the body. So the hamsters would go online to the border with the city and surrender to the Armed Forces and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are unimportant, for one they would have experienced all the lovingness of modern Kiev democracy on their skin.

[Nick]

Quote: Imperial

I understand that there has come a lot of Bandera, but still. Okay, let's hope for the best.

What do you want? War in the information space is equally important ...

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: Imperial

forum Slavyansk and read that disgusting

Thanks for the links. I got acquainted.
We seem to have people from Slavyansk ?!
Unsubscribe please! Is everything really so bad, as you can understand from the site ???

[terrible]

the border must be taken under control!

[Artyom]

So what? Will you go to Slovyansk right away?

[Lelek]

If the border with Little Russia is opened, humanitarian and military assistance will be provided regularly, and not by bicycle across the field.

[shelva]

At the moment, everything is in the hands of the citizens of the DPR themselves, relying on outside help is possible only in the event of a desperate confrontation with the aggressor.

[Kibalchish]

That is, in your opinion, now not desperate?

I have a slightly different opinion ...

[Sergey777]

Sorry I do not want to offend, but where are your men? Ukrainians work for us at a construction site almost a month ago, I asked one and got a very worthy answer- That's when they come to my house and then I will fight (I’ll put everyone in the pitchfork), and now I earn money. Something like that guys.

[Kibalchish]

It’s sad. When they really COME into his house, he and his pitchfork will do nothing against ten people with machine guns.
When his wife is seized, and before looted and burned, he will understand that everything had to be done on time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sams]

Quote: Sergey777

Ukrainians work for us

They also work here on a rotational basis. Most are just from those places (Lisichansk, Rubizhne). They arrive regularly for several parties a month. They say that everything is calm with them, they say, do not believe anyone: "It is quiet, peaceful here and summer is outside." They only get a little drunken with each other - they are discussing which president was better and the price of gas.
I'm in shock ...

[Lelek]

We have Ukrainian gaster "moonlighting" for 15-20 years. Young people have already acquired families and housing and passports - from "Independent". So, they curse the Kiev clowns and Bandera, but they do not want to go home and help her get rid of both of them. Motive: - "We are not badly fed here either." Such is the mentality.

[Victor Demchenko]

in-in! my tribes said so: yes, you all go, everything suits us! It's time to block the pipe, and these guest workers to the shaft!

[Evgeniy.]

my "hut" is on the edge, they were completely hohlyatized

[Artyom]

we will have the same picture, do not flatter yourself!

[Evgeniy.]

we will not have this!

[Artyom]

never say never!!!!

[Irokez]

Quote: Artyom

never say never

You do not say that it will be so.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: Artyom

we will have the same picture

I don’t understand Artyom, do you express your opinion, or did you conduct a poll?
Among my friends and acquaintances, thank God, there are none who would say, like we have here, someone: "Do you know how scary it is when a Bandera tank roars under the window!"
I counted all my life and believe that if you are a man, and not "Conchita", then you should not be afraid when an enemy tank roars under your window! You must know what to do! For a man, death is by no means the worst thing that can happen!

[Artyom]

I expressed my opinion, but it is so! Should we have a civil war, most of the population will also sit at home! I myself took it all in the 90s! When the crowd fell out in Moscow to defend the White House, in other cities they sat and watched on TV how it would end!

[avia1991]

Quote: dmitriygorshkov

For a man, death is by no means the worst thing that can happen!

But dying is scary! And to see the death of friends is scary! You throw such brave statements - that means you haven’t been in a real battle .. And thank God, though! I wish you not to know.
PS Oh yes - it’s you who served in the police in the 93rd? But, excuse me - this is not it.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: avia1991

And thank God, however! I wish you not to know.
PS Oh yes - it’s you who served in the police in the 93rd? But, excuse me - this is not it.

And where did you get the dear, that I had no other experience besides serving in the police at 93? What are you trying to teach me from above?
It was unfortunately.

[avia1991]

Quote: dmitriygorshkov

And where did you get my dear, that I have other experience besides service

I’m trying not to teach you, Dmitry, sorry if this bothers you. But the people who were next to me were not cowards - and at the same time they were afraid. I wanted to say that fear is normal. And in battle, when mortars are really hammering, slogans do not climb into the head, like "honor is more important", but a simple human "Lord, carry it!" Don't panic - no! But there is no place for brave thoughts at such a moment, everything is simpler and more banal ..
And if you have experience, then you must understand.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: avia1991

And if you have experience, then you must understand.

You inattentively read what I wrote.
I only meant that for a man the death of his loved ones is worse than his death, and the realization that you did not do something to prevent this!
And you blame me for bravado.

[avia1991]

Quote: dmitriygorshkov

And you blame me for bravado.

If you wrote immediately SO as now, there would be no questions! For there are many fans of "waving checkers" here. Himself sometimes a sinner .. I hope all the points are set?
Best regards

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: avia1991

Best regards

And so I wrote.
With no less respect

[kotvov]

you personally can and will, but we do not have. just in case, get an embroidery.

[Artyom]

you guys as if fell off Mars? Where do you live? What are you! forgot to shoot parliament from a tank? Or Chechnya? Or is everything even and smooth in Russia? Can anyone say when a new metallurgical plant or power plant was launched in Russia? We are stagnating in all directions! Although this time the money for the defense industry is being allocated, but what's the point? Vaughn Proton kicked again! On one naked URA - patriotism you will not go far! We need a new industrialization of the country! But with the current ministers it is vryatli!

[Sid.74]

Quote: Artyom

Who can tell when a new metallurgical plant or power plant was launched in Russia?

About .... slept polymers yyy !!!! Here is a site from pros ... polymers slept! Wonder how much you did !!! http://www.sdelanounas.ru/

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: Artyom

What are you! forgot to shoot parliament from a tank?

I then served in the police, and refused to go to the White House, for which I was dismissed, no lie! They made me write a report "on my own," but I did not understand where the truth was! There was "zero" information! But in any case, shoot at my own ..... I'm not the only one, half of the department wrote a report, and those who went refused to receive weapons.
So, do not think that one is so memorable.
BUT the example is VERY unsuccessful !!! Then there was no information about what was going on, we didn’t believe the "box", there was no Internet. Everything happened quickly and to understand what was happening, there was simply no time to decide!
And now there are more questions than answers about those events. In particular, knowing Yazov’s military path and his actions (not by hearsay!) In the Karabakh crisis, I don’t believe that he is a coup!
So the example is NOT successful !!! In Ukraine, everything is simple, we must fight for our children! So, do not compare!

[Sergey777]

Artyom is not so x *** about how you write it moves to +, it’s insulting of course that slowly, so if you want to find positive, then I think you will find! :)

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Artyom

Can anyone say when a new metallurgical plant or power plant was launched in Russia?

Yes, you are my friend, white-ginned ... so as not to ask stupid questions and not look like a fool, it is better to use search services, and then ask the white-haired mantra about "maybe you can tell when we opened a new plant or a power plant."

[Sour]

Quote: Artyom

Maybe someone will say when a new metallurgical plant was launched in Russia

But what, are there not enough factories available?
So underload capacity, by the way. They have not reached the level of 2008 yet. There is no demand.
However, some do not give a damn about it. The main thing for them is to build the plant. "Give me the 2nd industrialization." And what to do with the products - it doesn't matter, let it rust.
And the strangest thing is, when you call such people morons, they are offended. But in vain.

[Victor Demchenko]

for sure! REPEAT CULTURAL REVOLUTION !!! build a blast furnace in every yard !!! give 100 pounds of cast iron from each lane! (transferred to der.mo ore and coke, so what?) I do not want repetitions!

[Ivan 63]

A good speech, about what I expected to hear, if Putin, God bless him, hears his health, I hope he will use the right provided by the Federation Council, well, and then his actions, "Shoigu"
and I hope everyone understands what will end personally for everyone.

[echomenkov]

What are you talking about? I just listened to the same speech on YouTube - and underneath it there are ... comments ... not so much ... Not a single one in support - gloating and insulting! And do you seriously think that help from Russia will be met with flowers?

[xan]

Quote: ehomenkov

I just listened to the same speech on YouTube - and underneath it ... comments ... not so much ... Not a single one in support - gloating and insults!

This is an information war! Indicator referendum, everything else is bullshit!

[nvv]

Banderlogs drove to the referendum Southeast, with their atrocities. If the people consciously voted, and not with fear, Strelkov would not have the problems he poses.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: xan

This is an information war! Indicator referendum, everything else is bullshit!

I really hope that you are right !!!

[Tor hummer]

Quote: xan

This is an information war! Indicator referendum, everything else is bullshit!

This is reality .... believe Ukrainians hate Russian. In general, the national idea of ​​a Ukrainian is to hate and fight against Russia and Russians.

[zao74]

Until the policy of "my house is on the edge" for most of the population ends, for now the banderlog will be in charge. We are waiting for a new Odessa, yes, Donbass people?

[EvgenSuslov]

And the fact that in Mariupal on May 9 it was not enough ??? Everyone is waiting for their family to come, only at that moment it will be too late. And after shouting where you help militias ...

[cup]

The main problem is poor organization. The war in the east is on. But there is no single leader. There is no person who can lead. In the west of the country everything was built over the years. And then everything from scratch and at once. And people are waiting. The upbringing of youth is said to be modern. It is one thing to go to a referendum, it is another to defend this choice. No one can stand him for them, Putin will not be there in Crimea.

[savrog]

Here it is, a new generation of fear and indifference.

[Artyom]

Yes, all this is sad! But quite expected! If we recall the history of the revolution of 17 years, then there, for the replenishment of their troops, both the Bolsheviks and the Whites carried out forced mobilization!
Remember who made the coup? Soldiers and sailors tired of the war! There are not as many romantics and ideological ones who are ready to fight for a bright future as we would like! This is a fact and he is on the face! An ordinary layman sits at home and prefers to fight on TV or on a computer! You see for yourself! The Ukrainian army does not want to actively fight, the right-wingers are wandering, they would only burn old women and defenseless crowds! People like Kolomoisky promise money. Or hire mercenaries! Strelkov has few options. Let them gain women, there will be more benefit from them than from men. Either conducts forced mobilization as a front commander, and Shot for reluctance, cowardice and desertion. BUT such an army is not reliable and requires detachments and commissars, with broad powers. There is another option, send ALL to hell and leave, leaving a passive junta! As they say, every nation is worthy of the government, which is worthy!
And I ask Russian and other citizens not to flatter themselves, we have everything too, only many times more!

shock female death squad!

[kartalovkolya]

Yes, South-East Ukraine is going through "cursed days." And they will end when every inhabitant of the region finally understands that this is a battle not only for freedom, but ultimately for life!

[kyznets]

I, Russian, live in Russia. I am opposed to our soldiers - my children, no matter whether they are contract soldiers or conscripts - to go to fight across the border of Ukraine. And not because I don't care. But because if our troops enter Ukraine now, then we will fight so that the southeast is ours, Russian. And it is more logical (based on the results of the referendum) that local residents should fight for their independence, or for their accession to Russia. Now, it seems to me, only Slavyansk and quite a few others are fighting for THEIR - ITS independence from the Kiev and Galician rebels. Given that the regions that voted for independence can put up a considerable number of fighters. But by all appearances, the American propaganda that Russia wants to snatch a piece of Ukraine for itself, to seize the South-East, operates in the very South-East. They sit on the priest level and wait, instead of organizing their army. And it’s more logical to ask again not our soldiers, but weapons for our volunteers. Now western Ukraine, Bandera's members are more organized, active, determined to establish their OWN NAZI power in Ukraine, and are determined to establish a brown dictatorship. Therefore, in my opinion, the American "folk wisdom" is very suitable - the tree of freedom must be watered with the blood of patriots. And not with the blood of the soldiers of the army of the brotherly people. May God grant you, Igor Strelkov, and all the fighters for the independence of the south-east of strength, wisdom and health!

[rapid1934]

I agree with every word! And it’s more logical to ask again, not our soldiers, but weapons for their volunteers
Internet warriors calling to bring in Russian troops forget that live boys will come there and will go back with a load of "200".
War on the Internet and in life are two big differences. Are you ready to answer looking into the eyes of the mother of the deceased kid for what he died?

[Stanislas]

They do not go either to the militia or to the National Guard. Stupidly sitting and waiting for the outcome to end ... I do not understand this.

[xan]

Quote: Stanislav

They do not go either to the militia or to the National Guard. Stupidly sitting and waiting for the outcome to end ... I do not understand this.

And what to understand, to the majority of those who won. We need ours to win, not the hunters, so that our reformatted biomass, not the junta. And therefore, do not look at those who have a hut from the edge, they can not be woken up, they are nobody. It is necessary to help ours, regardless of their number.
Dante Alighieri: "The hottest places in hell are prepared for those who stayed away during important events."

[Zomanus]

That is actually the answer to the question "Why does Russia need to introduce its own army?" And the worst thing is that if something like this happened in Russia, everything will be exactly the same. For "it is better to let a bad peace than a good war", "don't meddle in your own business" and other things that we constantly hear have played a fatal role in the education of men. CWP in our stocks has not yet been introduced, as far as I know. Volunteer fighter training courses could help in the plan to bring up ex-white riders who are aware of the moment. But somehow everything is still going on with us, in terms of growing a weak-willed herd.

[Combat279]

Everything is correct and honest, I wrote about this a month ago, "my house is on the edge, I don't know anything." The mining area, probably Conchita is more proud of himself than the miners ...

[Artyom]

Igor Strelkov and people like him!
Lyrics of Victor Berkovsky - Grenada

We rode in step, we raced in battle
And the bullseye kept the song in his mouth.
And still keeps this song
The grass is young, steppe malachite.

But another song about a distant land
My friend drove with him in the saddle.
He sang, looking around his native land:
Grenada, Grenada, My Grenada.

He kept repeating this song by heart.
Where did the guy get Spanish sadness.
Answer Alexandrovsk, and Kharkov answer -
For a long time, we began to sing in Spanish.

I left the house, went to fight,
To give the land in Grenada to the peasants.
Goodbye, relatives, goodbye, friends -
Grenada, Grenada, My Grenada.

We raced, dreaming to comprehend as soon as possible
Grammar of battle, battery language
The sunrise rose and fell again
And the horse was tired of riding in the steppes.
But the bullseye song was played by the squadron
The bow of suffering on the violins of the times.
Where is the buddy your song -
Grenada, Grenada, My Grenada?

The punctured body crawled to the earth.
Comrade left the saddle for the first time
I saw a moon bend over a corpse
And dead lips whispered to Gren ...

Yes, to a far field, sky-high reach
My buddy left and took the song away
Since then, native lands have not been heard.
Grenada, Grenada, My Grenada.

The squad did not notice the loss of a fighter,
And the apple finished the song to the end,
Only in the sky quietly slipped after a while
On the velvet of sunset is a tear of rain.

Life came up with new songs
Comrade, don’t have to bother about the song.
No, no, no, my friends.
Grenada, Grenada, My Grenada.

[saag]

to change the situation, you need to cut off the Internet and mobile communications, fight on the Internet for those wishing to immediately decrease :-)

[Lelek]

Well, here and click "OFF".

[Bronik]

It looks like men are expecting a lot of money, but they don't have it yet. They taught the people that "Maidans" are paid very well, so they do not want to risk for free. And conscience and patriotism for some is an empty phrase, I hope that this is temporary.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: bronik

It looks like men are expecting a lot of money, but they don't have it yet. They taught the people that "Maidans" are paid very well, so they do not want to risk for free. And conscience and patriotism for some is an empty phrase, I hope that this is temporary.

Well, if "there" the peasants, so that they would begin to defend their land and the lives of their children, must be paid, and even "good" to pay, then I simply have no words! These are definitely NOT brothers!

[Saratovets]

friends read the history of the civil war .... It's time to introduce conscription! and announce mobilization

[Giant thought]

Of course, this burden cannot be sustained by loners, it is necessary that ALL stand up for their freedom, then there will be a victory.

[Lom_71]

Yes! Situation. Quite recently, here on the site, many Ukrainian patriots wrote that they are happy to defend their independence, but there are no weapons. Now the weapon is there. WHERE YOU !!!! You are waiting for a Russian soldier who will do everything for you. Or think that several hundred Russian volunteers who responded to your cries for help will drive the entire "your" army and mercenaries to Lviv. And you, so proud, will continue to LIE on the requests of our President (appeal to postpone the referendum). Prove that you need help RUSSIA, take your brains off the couch.

[tomcat117]

Well done I. Strelkov, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
I deeply sympathize with the patriot of my homeland.
But to see the principle "My hut is on the edge, I don't know anything" is so deeply rooted in the souls of the Donetsk region inhabitants, which causes disgust:
-Miners who are like heifers are waiting for a power knife at their throat.
-Donetsk paratroopers, officers and specialists have made their trousers, they turn to Putin so that our "Vanka - paratroopers, officers and specialists" would protect them, so that "six Serbs from Crimea" would come to die for them.
Guys turned into a BAB with a beard from Eurovision.
Looking sadly and disgusted at dependents who have forgotten their homeland.
You can say and write anything you like, but this is Strelkov’s cry. And if tomorrow they kill him and others like him, then what?

[AnaBat]

Miners asked to raise their salary by 2 times ... they were given +20% ... and they agreed to go to the mines! The junta is not considered by miners as a force that can resist them ... they will throw a bone and they will calm down ... it's a pity ...

[Aleksey11]

I listened to the appeal.
It is very pleasing that the DNR forces have such people as Strelkov. It is a pity that there are few of them so far.

About the fact that people do not go to the militia.
My opinion is that it is not necessary to create a militia, but The army! With salary, clothing allowance, etc. Conclude a contract, select sensible people, including from Russia!
You need to understand that the economic situation is very bad and people are still thinking about how families will feed, and here they are offered to fight, leaving families behind.
And so they will receive a salary, understand their status, and along with the understanding that they are defending their homeland, I hope there will be more who wish.
The leadership of the DNI should ask Russia for the allocation of money for the formation of state bodies and the army. Maybe the equipment will be thrown

[Azzzwer]

Quote: Aleksey11

You need to understand that the economic situation is very bad and people still think about how families will feed, and here they are offered to fight,

, and what wasn’t exactly the same in 41? When an enemy comes to your country, city, home, it’s too late to think about how to feed your family! In this case, as in Russia, the men, leaving work in the field, took swords in their hands and stood up in the ranks of the militia, and left the household to their wives (housekeeping is also a women's function, not only painting nails). So the excuse that I need to feed my family is rotten!

[Aleksey11]

We are not on political information; we must look at the situation realistically.
Once again, it is necessary to form a regular army of the DPR, especially since they are positioning themselves as a separate state.
And now there are so many different armed formations that you won’t understand who represents whom. At least enter the form and the insignia are the same.
I don’t understand who their Most Important

[Corsair]

Quote: Azzzwer

, and what wasn’t exactly the same in 41? When an enemy comes to your country, city, home, it’s too late to think about how to feed your family!

Partly ...
In the Second World War, the militia, a soldier going to the front, knew that his family would receive at least a guaranteed possible minimum from the state.

[radar1967]

Well done! That's right, you need to create state structures for the defense of the republic. At the state level, announce mobilization, form units, invite instructors, provide training, weapons, social guarantees.

[Roshchin]

And pay the soldiers

[Agent 008]

And Vladimir Vladimirovich is silent and silent ... Isn't this "my house on the edge" ... Excuse me guys, I'll just say in a simple way: I don't give a fuck about all this geopolitics, I'm sorry for people who will soon fall over everything! Well, let Putin keep silent further! Personally, I just don't understand it humanly, I'm sorry ...

[Kibalchish]

Because the coward and traitor is this BB. The interests of oligarch friends are more important to him.

[Lukerya Weaver]

In order to throw such accusations, one must have reason. Putin has responsibility for his country, which elected him president. This is his first priority. Everyone else is possible. Or does everyone really want the war to be all over Ukraine and then spread to Russia? In fact, losses in Ukraine are not fatal for the country and the people, no matter how sorry the victims, but their number is not a reason to send troops.

[nvv]

Listen, bad guy, don’t talk nonsense you can’t grab the minuses.

[nvv]

Listen, bad guy, don’t talk nonsense you can’t grab the minuses.

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Kibalchish

Because the coward and traitor is this BB. The interests of oligarch friends are more important to him.

He was also silent with Crimea, to the last, until they added a word he did not say.
The fact that he will say nothing will change. He must act and preferably secretly. How do we know what is really going on? If he is silent, this does not mean that nothing is being done.

[Lelek]

Right. There are only one laborers, and talkers are legion.

[Lelek]

You, dear one, are not a kibalchish, but a bad guy. Change your nickname.

[Lukerya Weaver]

And is he the president of Ukraine? He was not asked, he does not answer. And he voiced his vision earlier - postpone the referendum!

[Kibalchish]

He was not the president of the Crimea when he introduced troops there. The point is political will.

[saag]

Quote: Aleksey11

Maybe the equipment will be thrown

And elephants. They say they fly :-)

[Agent 008]

I want to add: here many write so what you might think, if God forbid we have a war, all 100% will stand up and go to war as one? In 1941, yes! And now it’s unlikely, I doubt ... A bunch of people will sit, drink beer and talk about why no one wants to fight this?

[Victor Demchenko]

also giggle: into idiots, they went to defend someone ... but do I need it?

[Combat279]

Quote: agent xnumx

And Vladimir Vladimirovich is silent and silent ... Isn't this "my house on the edge" ... Excuse me guys, I'll just say in a simple way: I don't give a fuck about all this geopolitics, I'm sorry for people who will soon fall over everything! Well, let Putin keep silent further! Personally, I just don't understand it humanly, I'm sorry ...

And why should he speak for the people of Donbas ???? He said for the Crimean only after they made their decision. let's not get the blame on the healthy.

[jovanni]

... agent 008, but what is there to understand? If they themselves do not itch, they sit on the huts, they calculate the benefits, do you suggest Putin to send our boys under bullets? Will you send your son to die? For cormorants, that they are boiling on the camera, but what, under a Zhinkin’s skirt ... Will you send it?

[aleks700]

I'll send. And I’ll go. But he won’t go, I’ll drive out of the house. These cormorants are already shedding blood. And the fact that Russia as a state is trying to sit out is a crime.

[Lukerya Weaver]

Go to the Donbas people's militia and you will be a hero. And the state should not interfere, so as not to make everyone worse.

[nvv]

The site is not finalized. For the first half of the statement, bold plus, for the second, minus. How to be

[muginov2015]

That's why Pu doesn’t bring in troops, because a large mass of people there are either pokuystics-lupmens, who care about everything, or hidden pro-Westerners, this is evident from the number of opponents of the regime. takes to the streets when it becomes safe and does not howl: we did not call you! the invaders! Get out ! And shoot our guys at night. Enough! we have already passed it! Learn the story.

[Victor Demchenko]

Example: Crimean Tatars!

[Lelek]

So what's up? Flag in hand and forward with a song. Are you still here? And it seemed that you are among there.

[BRUSH]

* REAL WARRIOR *** LIBERATOR ***

[Glavmec]

Quote: Sid.74

Quote: krpmlws

It is necessary to form a people's army not only on a voluntary basis, but also on appeal. It is necessary to send out summons, if a person is not, then institute criminal proceedings.

Brilliant ... On the line of military registration and enlistment offices, to form an appeal, right? ... Which are all near Kiev and the lists of draftees so that they can reach the junta so that the relatives of draftees live well ... but about criminal liability is something with something .....
And what does it mean it's time to create a normal army for what means? New Russia at the moment is an unrecognized republic without a clear border and management structure, without taxation, courts, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I am silent about the banking and economic sphere! Where are you in a hurry, everything will be! The referendum is only 11 the numbers have passed! Can you make a country in a week ???

And, by the way, they did not even change the dill border guards to their own!

[Sid.74]

Quote: Glavmec

And, by the way, they did not even change the dill border guards to their own!

Yes, but promised! Dafiga Donbass has yet to do!

[Agent 008]

Yes, I just wanted to say that if the Junta still gains the upper hand, that we will probably sigh and say: "Oh, it's a pity that you died, but you are to blame, and Russia has nothing to do with it, we" helped "as best we could. ..

[Lukerya Weaver]

If the junta prevails, then the people of Ukraine chose it. Only the people of the country can decide what is best for him. No need for Ukrainians to decide what to do.

[aleks700]

It is necessary. When it comes to fascism.

[Lelek]

Moreover, her (junta) help comes from three sides, and even from behind.

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: Lukerya Weaver

No need for Ukrainians to decide what to do.

If decisions were made at least in Kiev, then yes!
And if decisions for the Ukrainian people are taken in Fashington ....
So Lukerya must! And again it is necessary! We must decide for the Ukrainians, since they themselves are not able to do it!

[echomenkov]

This is a performance of a strong person, a real person! God grant him patience and strength! The right step is to stir up, finally, your own, to shame and force to protect your own house.

[Azzzwer]

Tryndets full, the Minister of Defense directly on the front line leads the combat operations of the field units !!!! In general, the situation reminds me of the Civil War of 1917-1922. situation on the part of White! when individuals led a handful of volunteers and fought endless hostilities without the possibility of replenishing human losses, and in the rear, "headquarters" without armies were formed, "commanders" were appointed, and liberals in the so-called "governments" divided "ministerial" portfolios. I suppose you won't go far on volunteering, and even more so you won't win a war! Only the brutality of action to centralize power, political propaganda, both in the rear and agitation among Ukrainian soldiers, nationalization among a large oligarchy, mobilization, albeit not total (probably not so many weapons), but at least on the basis of recruiting (for example, with 100 suitable people to the call, to call 1 or 3. Isn't it possible that there won't be at least 40 people from the two regions?

[Lukerya Weaver]

Yes, only from Ukrainians sitting in Russia can such an army be recruited. That is why their Ukrainians from Russia will not be called to fight for Ukraine?

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Weaker Lukerya

Yes, only from Ukrainians sitting in Russia can such an army be recruited. That is why their Ukrainians from Russia will not be called to fight for Ukraine?

What kind of nonsense are you talking about ... in the DNI they are fighting not "for" Ukraine, but against Ukraine.

[Day 11]

Are adult men staying there or not? Take a look who is fighting for you.

[parus2nik]

Strelkov's appeal resembles this:
- Hey, get up! He shouted for the last time. - And there are shells, but the arrows are beaten. And there are rifles, but few fighters. And help is close, but there is no power. Hey, get up, who else is left! If only we could stand the night and hold out the day!
Malchish looked - Kibalchish on the street: empty street. The shutters do not slam, the gates do not creak - there is no one to get up: both the fathers left and the brothers left - no one was left.
Only Malchish sees that an old grandfather a hundred years old has come out of the gate. Grandfather wanted to raise a rifle, but he’s so old that he won’t lift it. Grandfather wanted to fasten the saber, but so weak that it would not. Then the grandfather sat on the blockage, bowed his head and cried ...
It hurt then the boy became. Then Malchish-Kibalchish jumped out into the street and shouted loudly and loudly:
“Hey, you boys, little boys!” Or can we, boys, only play sticks and jump ropes? And the fathers left, and the brothers left. Or should we, the boys, sit and wait for the bourgeoisie to come and take us to their damned bourgeoisie?

[Day 11]

Continued. Sit there, referring to flat feet, enuresis and age ...

[Boricello]

We returned to what we have spoken about more than once. All those shapkozakidatelskie statements made by the "new authorities of Donbas" are not worth a damn. The shooters are right, it’s good to shout that we’ll tear and destroy everyone here !!! but in reality all this is bravado. Let's be realistic. There are scoundrels in Kiev, but not complete idiots. Why are ALL VALUE TROOPS near Slavyansk? Yes, because there are the only people whose words do not differ from their deeds. All these bogs and they are just yard-level builders. Gopota capable only of punching himself in the chest and yelling that "yes, I will tear you all up" In the current situation, you understand how much WISD is Putin, that he does not get involved in this situation. When 1-1500 people are capable of actions, there is nothing to hope for.

[zbidnev]

There is no wiser. I got into such a thing that Russia will dissipate for at least another 20 years !!!

[Cynic]

Quote: zbidnev

There is no wiser.

Oh, what kind of people _ is the campaign for skulls going on?

[me]

Miners with you sitting on the couch

[nahalenok911]

It is so unpleasant and shameful to hear Strelkov’s words ... Guys! After all, you are not only MUZHIK, but BABY already disgrace !! Ekary Babai, bl ... nnn

[Stalnov I.P.]

That’s the whole truth, at least 10000 people would have fallen for their guns, everyone would have already left Donbass for a long time and understood that fighting against the people is pointless, waiting for the uncle from Russia to come, and that they themselves are no longer peasants, there are weapons where wars hid in burrows, WEAKNESS , get what happened Odessa.

[A1L9E4K9S]

Quote: vladimirZ

The men of Donbass sit under the women's skirts, capturing the telly and beer.

They do not sit under skirts, stumbled across caches and not gu gu.

[X Y Z]

After such words, normal men, burning with shame, would have to trot to the front line. But maybe they really do not need anything, would they give a beggarly pay (about 15000 rubles a month) for hard labor and bring beer to a nearby stall? It doesn’t matter who lives under and what ideology rules. What did even incomplete Ukrainization do with Russian cities! This infection is worse than AIDS.

PS And the fact that V.V. is silent. - this is not also "my hut on the edge". This is a huge responsibility for the country, for its people. You won't wish such responsibility on anyone. This is wisdom and unwillingness to once again put millions of compatriots for "brothers", who later may turn out to be not exactly brothers to us.

[Kibalchish]

He is silent because the oligarchs took him for a soft spot and demanded that he did not spoil relations with the West. There they have accounts, relatives and holidays in the Seychelles !!! If Putin were a true patriot, he would have long been rid of these freaks !!!!!

[Lukerya Weaver]

Putin is a patriot! Patriot of Russia. He defends the interests of the people who chose him. Where do you see Russians asking Putin to send troops to Ukraine? Only your voice is audible. The rest are against.

[Kibalchish]

Open your eyes. Donetsk has been asking Russia to intervene for three months. If you spent this time in kamatose, then this is your problem.

[nycsson]

Quote: Kibalchish

Open your eyes. Donetsk has been asking Russia to intervene for three months. If you spent this time in kamatose, then this is your problem.

So then it is. Need to intervene, no questions. But where are the Donbassi themselves? Why are they sitting in holes? This is not clear. I have already said more than once that they will deal with the militia, and the minimum that they will do is climb to the Crimea! Another thing is that this is not in the interests of our elite.

[Lelek]

And who in front of the Euro-American synclite in defense of Little Russia is tearing the anus, if not Russia and GDP? Maybe the Finns or the Philippines? Do you want Russia to unleash the 3rd world, after which our whole ball will be Sugar?

[Victor Demchenko]

in order to ask for help, you need to move yourself! men from Donetsk served with me and where are they? something I don’t see them anywhere, sit on the couch and blow beer! I agree to come to the rescue, even if I get together and come tomorrow, I know Ukrainian perfectly, any small arms are the same (thanks to the Soviet Army, I can command a platoon, company, battalion, regiment.) BUT !!! and who to command ?!

[nycsson]

Quote: Kibalchish

There they have accounts, relatives and holidays in the Seychelles !!!

I will support you ......
Information for consideration .....
Switzerland froze assets of Yanukovych and his entourage by $ 193 million
Swiss federal prosecutor ordered to freeze the assets of the ousted president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych by $ 193 million
05 May 2014, 00: 25
photo: © RIA Novosti
According to Reuters, citing the Swiss newspaper Zentralschweiz am Sonntag, prosecutors have opened five criminal proceedings against individuals suspected of money laundering. The total amount of funds frozen in these accounts is 170 million Swiss francs ($ 193 million).
It is noted that most of the frozen assets coincide with those bank accounts that were blocked by the Swiss government in February 2014.
Then, on February 28, Switzerland froze the bank accounts of the ousted president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych and his associates, including former Prime Minister Mykola Azarov and head of the presidential administration Andriy Klyuyev. Searches were conducted on the premises of the company, allegedly owned by the son of Yanukovich, Alexander.
Earlier, Switzerland was ready to block all of Viktor Yanukovych's bank accounts, said spokesman for Swiss Foreign Minister Pierre-Alain Eltschinger.
Eltsinger added that Swiss banks were recommended to pay special attention to all accounts owned by Ukrainian citizens and organizations. When asked if Switzerland would deny visas to Yanukovych and members of his circle, he only said that "Switzerland is closely monitoring the events in Ukraine." It was reported that the Swiss authorities launched an investigation on suspicion of the possible involvement of Yanukovych and his family in money laundering.
Earlier, Austria announced the arrest of accounts and other property of 18 Ukrainian citizens.
Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/30574#ixzz30s8AqyQx

[skullcap]

Quote: Kibalchish

If Putin were a true patriot, he would have long since gotten rid of these freaks !!!!!

A true patriot should not be close and unintelligent hysterical.
And it is gratifying that he has both mind and endurance.
Americans sleep and see Russia send troops to Ukraine and turn in the eyes of the whole world, almost every Ukrainian and half of Russians into an indisputable aggressor and occupier.
And then Donetsk will share the fate of the entire aggressive Russia, against which the whole world will begin to fight and fight: the progressive west, the dense East and the neutral countries too. In the name of justice and truth on earth.

[Russ69]

Slavyansk, Kramatorsk + near the village, it is about 200.000 people. Strelkova has a thousand and a half, and half, this is from Russia and other regions of Ukraine.
South Ossetia has a population of about 30.000 people, there were about 1500 people in the militia.
The difference is obvious .....

[Aleksandr1950]

Given modern realities, it is necessary to give the money to Yanukovych and all his associates, RELAXED IN RUSSIA, to the DPR command! Otherwise, send them to Slavyansk.

[Dave36]

Something Russia 24 is silent ... judging by the NTV mobile application, it gets hot there .. Ukrainians are coming from all sides ...

[Russ69]

Quote: Dave36

Something Russia 24 is silent ... judging by the NTV mobile application, it gets hot there .. Ukrainians are coming from all sides ...

According to the walkie-talkie they said that they were beating artillery in Kramatorsk. Two houses are already destroyed ...

[Vitaly11]

in fact, the battle began at 4:00 in the morning, I don’t know about the destroyed houses, but there are gunfire fired at the city limits; at about 10 o'clock fluttered sort of Drying over the roofs of houses ...

[Russ69]

Now I heard from the radio that a plant was burning in Kramatorsk after the shelling and the building was damaged, either a telecom, or something else ...

[Vitaly11]

Telecom - this can already be said of a housing estate, in Slovyansk it seems that they were shelled with sewage treatment plants ... in Kramatorsk, cold water is absent in some districts. It is possible that there was a hit not only in the plant - EMSS, but also NKMZ ...

[mamont5]

Here is the answer to those who are indignant about why Putin will not send in troops. How can you help people, while inevitably losing your fighters, when people themselves passively wait for what will happen next.
By the way, this seems to be a feature of today's times. The same thing happens in Europe and America. Yes, and here, I remember they wrote that when there were emergencies - flooding in the Kuban and the Far East, volunteers came from all over the country to resist the elements, help people and eliminate the consequences, despite all this, local residents continued to go about their business.

[ar-ren]

1. The defeat of the Russians in Ukraine will smear all the other Russians with crap, exposing them to the whole world as weaklings that the Ukrainian Nazis were able to bend. A bunch of people will have a desire to test the strength of the Russians in Russia itself. (and don’t blame nuclear weapons! Nuclear weapons could not protect the USSR from a Chinese attack and the capture of Damansky!)
2. The defeat of Donbass will make it possible to have missile defense, Abrams and other rubbish 200 km from Moscow.

[Barakuda]

Here on Twitter some ram said that Strelkov was shot...
I left there, too lazy to look for who... writes such misinformation.

[Anper]

Quote: Barracuda

Here on Twitter some ram said that Strelkov had been shot...

If on Twitter, then Tymchuk. He would have remembered Avakov’s promises of suicide.

[siberalt]

It's not all bad. Zhirinovsky promised cartridges. What about the rest of the residents? Until they have had enough, they will just sit at home. Now only the core of the future army is being formed. And this requires finance. It's only begining.

[Russ69]

I was listening to the Zelo radio, the Donbass channel, and they were just discussing Strelkov’s speech.
There, people who signed up for the militia spoke. The meaning is this: people signed up for the DPR army, they took their phones and silence... After Strelkov’s speech, we began to understand where to go.
Apparently, there is no normal organization for the formation of militias yet. So it turns out, who knows what...

[Combat279]

A rolling stone gathers no moss.

[Zomanus]

Yeah. By the way, maybe I’m driving... But I wouldn’t be surprised if these ordinary people, if the resistance fails, will run to hand over those who took part in this resistance. In general, everything will be visible after the gas is turned off. After all, then the unemployed can go both to Kyiv and begin to catch resistance fighters in order to receive a reward and feed their family. By the way, this will be their excuse... After all, let us remember that during the occupation the peasants very quickly surrendered to our encirclement and partisans until our people began to punish them for this.

[Kibalchish]

The guys still have to hold out until the gas is turned off! And will it be there... shutdown...

[wax]

They stood holding bread purses and were silent.

Vasily Grossman. Life and destiny

Life years
Passed not for nothing; clear before me
The final conclusion of earthly wisdom:
Only he is worthy of life and freedom,
Who every day goes to battle for them.

Goethe. Faust.

[Anisim1977]

And I have a question - what are our GRU and SVR doing?
This is happening at Our borders; miracles of disguise are not needed - it’s not Qatar after all.
The CIA creates coups in batches, but ours just laugh - the CIA overslept Crimea, where is Crimea and where is the USA? And there is no need for fairy tales about non-intervention. And I don’t ask you to tell me the details - We need a simple and understandable result - at the borders of the 2nd Republic, in complete control of the situation, without interventionists on their land.
Shame on the SVR and the GRU - DREAM EATERS!!!
Kolomoisky and Yarosh are alive, Strelkov doesn’t have enough officers, there’s a mess on the border -
WHY DO WE NEED SUCH INTELLIGENCE - there are plenty of theorists in the “couch troops” - WE NEED RESULTS!!!!

[Kibalchish]

Putin does not like the decisive politicians of the South-East; he prefers mumblers and nomenclature officials like Tsarev. He pushed all the bright personalities out of Russia... Tsar-Father...

And people simply began to back up. Many people are really afraid. Putin’s indecision here plays against him, because if the southeast is crushed, then many of his trump cards will disappear for negotiations with Kiev, which will unanimously pull the whole of Ukraine into NATO. As a result, we will have “NATO tanks and missile defense near Kursk and Belgorod and the Russians of the southeast, who will remember that they were BETRAYED. And they will no longer shout “Russia”. This is the price of Putin’s co-operation.

[Stanislas]

Quote: Kibalchish

He pushed all the bright personalities out of Russia too...

Nemtsova and Navalny, or what? If in Crimea the people responded correctly and actively to Russian support, then it turned out to be quite sufficient. In the meantime, in the east the population is on the extreme side, any help to Russia will not be like this: you cannot help someone who does nothing. Therefore, Strelkov is not addressing Putin, but the local men, who are more interested in Eurovision than the battles near Slavyansk. You, good sir, chose the wrong nickname: the nickname Plokhish would have been more suitable for the NATO avatar and provocative comments.

[Kibalchish]

Quote: Stanislav

Quote: Kibalchish

He pushed all the bright personalities out of Russia too...

Nemtsova and Navalny, or what? If in Crimea the people responded correctly and actively to Russian support, then it turned out to be quite sufficient. In the meantime, in the east the population is on the extreme side, any help to Russia will not be like this: you cannot help someone who does nothing. Therefore, Strelkov is not addressing Putin, but the local men, who are more interested in Eurovision than the battles near Slavyansk. You, good sir, chose the wrong nickname: the nickname Plokhish would have been more suitable for the NATO avatar and provocative comments.

1) The avatar has a symbol NOT of NATO, but of the Japanese Coast Guard.
2) Where did I write that Nemtsov and Navalny are the best? By bright, I meant, for example, Sergei Ivanov, whom Putin pushed aside. For him, the Bear cloth is more convenient.
Disrespected jingoists, let's have a normal dialogue, and don't expose yourself to being exactly the idiots they think you are.

[Cynic]

Quote: Kibalchish

for example Sergei Ivanov

Wake up my dear!

[avia1991]

Quote: Stanislav

If in Crimea the people responded correctly and actively to Russian support

If you watched the report on the first meeting of the Cabinet of Ministers with the participation of Crimeans, you might have noticed how the Vedmedic made grimaces in response to Chaly’s words about priority needs. Moscow brought its own! program, and suddenly some aborigine butts in!.. Perhaps “everyone” is strong, but remember who is in charge? For example, the same Fursenko - the killer of the secondary education system, and now - the President's assistant ..

[Lukerya Weaver]

Let YOU show your courage and determination next to Strelkov! Join his militia, prove that you can act and not shout hurray!

[avia1991]

Quote: Anisim1977

Shame on the SVR and the GRU - DREAM EATERS!!!
Kolomoisky and Yarosh are alive

Both are alive, and that's a fact. Both are completely harmful, including Russia - that’s a fact. A case has been opened against Yarosh for a long time, filed with Interpol - this is a fact... But it is beneficial for someone that Yarosh is alive and happy with life, and this “someone” sits at our “top”! This is the only way I can explain why these two bastards are still alive. But there is nothing to send to the GRU: “torpedoes” without an order can only solve personal problems, and for such liquidation there must be a command from above..

[bda]

Quote: Hamul

No matter how picnic, but I grilled about it a month ago.
On a fig of Russia to fight for these .... to send troops to bring home zinc ... easier to take out to the Russian Federation all who do not want to be with the Nazis.
Fuck ... there are no other words already, look - the men are standing at the checkpoints, fighting - and in the meantime, the local Aborigines went fishing - Shot !!! Women are shot in cars !!! In Odessa, they burned the peaceful people !!! In Mariupol, the cops were burned and the demonstrators were shot !!! and so on in all areas such as New Russia
HOW TO NOT RISE AGAINST THIS? H.Z. ((((

Dear gentlemen, let me remind you of one sad fact: in April 2012, at the height of the anti-Orthodox bacchanalia, His Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Rus' appealed to believers to take part in a prayer standing at the Cathedral of Christ the Savior “in defense of the faith, desecrated shrines, the Church and her good name,” knowing full well that until Orthodoxy itself shows its strength (at least in mass numbers), no one will respect it in our world.
In Moscow alone and its surrounding suburbs, according to surveys, there are about 10 million people. They proudly call themselves “Orthodox”. And for the appointment scheduled for April 22 (Sunday), at most 50 thousand (half a percent) came - the rest had “their own plans for the weekend”, or were simply too lazy to tear off the fifth point. This is called exactly the same as in Donbass: “The ability to stand up for an idea.” Only in Moscow the price for this ability is half a day off, but in Donbass it could easily be life.
So, dear ones, I don’t want to talk about anyone specifically (every person is a cosmos), but in terms of the picture “in general” - not for us sitting in Moscow, etc. for their computers, the residents of Donbass cannot be blamed: much smaller numbers of Muslims here in Moscow, one whistle from the minaret (and “another whistle”), collect 70-80 thousand from the unfinished mosque on Prospekt Mira.
We just have to figure it out ourselves: what do we (i.e. Russia and its citizens) need in this situation in Ukraine and are we ready to pay for it and how much? And then the calculations are already in full swing: “We’ll take over Crimea, but there won’t be enough subsidies for the Donbass mines—they themselves have a crisis on the horizon. And if so, then let the “natives” themselves tumble there as they want, and even a small one ( several hundred people from a country of 140 million) a group of desperate men helps them at their own risk if they so want to respond to calls for the protection and gathering of the Russian world."
And we will all sit and reap while they there, in Ukraine, “decide for themselves what they need,” and they, don’t be fools, will sit and wait - until Russia begins, as it promised, to assemble the Russian world.
23 years have already sat and waited for young people from recently Russian cities such as Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Poltava, etc. (whom the Westerners called Muscovites 23 years ago) is already screaming: “Muskalyak to Gilyak” - because those who are against us do not sit and wait, but act. Brainwashed. Ukrainization is being promoted step by step, etc.
Pay attention to the words of I.I. Strelkov that the militias are mainly men over 40: everything is correct, the youth, for the most part, have already had their brains processed not in our favor. And then it will only get worse (as, by the way, with Islam in Moscow - just yesterday they were just crowding on Prospekt Mira for prayer, and now there are already those who want to organize this mass to impose their united will on those who are “sitting on their fifth point”) .
So, not only they, in the Donbass, but also we need to think and decide about which country to live in - will we continue to shrink like shagreen leather, or will we begin to grow again.

[Lukerya Weaver]

Why does Russia need to grow? She's already big. As for the protection of Orthodox shrines, sincere believers in Russia are few and far between. The Orthodox Church put forward the wrong slogan. As for Ukraine, I repeat once again, only what is made with one’s own hands is valued. And the people themselves must win their freedom. Otherwise they will again consider us occupiers and they will be right.

[zbidnev]

Totally agree with you. Russia has enormous creative potential. And going against the whole world is extremely unreasonable. My personal opinion is that you were drawn into the confrontation, specifically in Ukraine. All over the world, the majority of Ukrainians consider Russia an aggressor. Perhaps this is insufficient work of your special services, or perhaps it is a clearly anti-Russian provocation. How to get out of this situation?

[bda]

Quote: EvgenSuslov

And then shout, where are you militias, help...

Let them not shout too much: they will learn the language, get used to gay pride parades, learn that Bandera and Shukhevych are heroes of Ukraine and will calmly be our enemies, confident that all the troubles are from us. And there will simply be fewer of us (Russians) by this very number of millions, which means we will be even weaker, finding ourselves “one on one” with the states, even with Geyropa, even with China. And the fact that in Ukraine there will be no “milk rivers with jelly banks”, and Ukrainian women for brothels will be the main export product of this country is a dubious consolation - Russian women are also used for these purposes all over the world.

[Lukerya Weaver]

And if we send in troops, we will also be occupiers and will also be hated. So what's the point of exposing your guys to bullets? Until the Ukrainians themselves decide what they need, Russia has nothing to do there.

[Kibalchish]

The point is that back in the mid-90s, central Ukraine was completely pro-Russian. After 20 years of propaganda, it became Bandera's. If we lose the South-East now - another 20 years and it will become “glory-Ukrainian”. Like this. The generation that remembers the USSR will finally become pensioners, and they will be replaced by completely fascist youth, whom the West will set against RUSSIA.

[avia1991]

Quote: Lukerya Weaver

So what's the point of exposing your guys to bullets?

Tamara Grigorievna, actually, there are several meanings. Both political and economic, and from the point of view of ensuring one’s own security. Finally, moral! I can explain each of them in detail, but I believe you understand everything yourself. Making a decision about the right thing to do is very difficult, and this has been discussed here more than once, but It is very advisable to make this positive decision, at least so that it is not too late to decide something. It is for us - Russia.

[Irokez]

Unfortunately, it was almost the same at all times.
- My hut with the edge
- Until the thunder strikes, the man will not cross himself
- If there had been no war
- It will resolve itself
and so on.
But when you really feel the urge, then yes.
Hence the conclusion: either we still need the blood of civilians from every city and village so that everyone feels the situation or wait until everyone economically feels their situation.
Voting is not sitting in the trenches. The revolution is then worth something if it is still defended and consolidated.
The larger the militia, the less likely it is to attack from the other side, seeing what forces they are dealing with.
The larger the militia, the faster the blockade and transfer of parts of the Southeast to the new authorities, the faster the transition process will end, which is now dual power. Dual power is worse than anarchy. Confirm your will with real actions.
Yes, in 23 years the population has been turned into an apathetic, gray, neutral society, without ideas in the South-East and more ideological (pro-fascist) in the Western regions.
Most likely, lack of faith or lack of faith in the future life does not give the people the ideological and driving force shackled by the ideas and principles of a sweet, pro-European, selfish and unspiritual life.
Hope dies last, but where is your faith in the future you voted for?

[cerbuk6155]

RUSSIA cannot send troops yet until it sees that the people and their representatives are united. So far it is clear that the people are sitting at home and are possibly generally against not only the entry of Russian troops, but also against RUSSIA. And he supports Kyiv. And if this is so, then we have nothing to do there. So you need to think first and only then act. Otherwise it will turn out that you are to blame, and no one asked you to get involved, but you got involved at the request of fools and enemies of RUSSIA. And all sorts of talkers on the site, who first shout that we need to send in our troops, and then say, yes, we need to wait and see whether there will be people there with the militias or not.

[ar-ren]

1. The defeat of the Russians in Ukraine will smear all the other Russians with crap, exposing them to the whole world as weaklings that the Ukrainian Nazis were able to bend. A bunch of people will have a desire to test the strength of the Russians in Russia itself. (and don’t blame nuclear weapons! Nuclear weapons could not protect the USSR from a Chinese attack and the capture of Damansky!)
2. The defeat of Donbass will make it possible to have missile defense, Abrams and other rubbish 200 km from Moscow.

[SBC]

1.Army of the South-East=army of the NOD of Russia (E.A. Fedorov)
2.Today, May 18.05, the liberals are going to organize a Euromaidan in Moscow, St. Petersburg....
3. The results of today in Russia will show “who is who.”

[antikilller55]

Who forces you to jump on tanks with pitchforks? If you want to fight, grab a weapon, buy it, whoever wants it will always find it. Bandera is already standing behind the fence, sharpening his knife. What guarantees are you talking about? This is your survival, you and your children and the elderly. May God grant health, strength and good luck to those brave and worthy people who give their lives and health in the name of freedom from the Nazis to the Ukrainian land!!!

[cerbuk6155]

Quote: Kibalchish

Putin does not like the decisive politicians of the South-East; he prefers mumblers and nomenclature officials like Tsarev. He pushed all the bright personalities out of Russia... Tsar-Father...

And people simply began to back up. Many people are really afraid. Putin’s indecision here plays against him, because if the southeast is crushed, then many of his trump cards will disappear for negotiations with Kiev, which will unanimously pull the whole of Ukraine into NATO. As a result, we will have “NATO tanks and missile defense near Kursk and Belgorod and the Russians of the southeast, who will remember that they were BETRAYED. And they will no longer shout “Russia”. This is the price of Putin’s co-operation.

There are no decisive and active politicians in the East, and there are no real leaders. And 1 in 1000 support RUSSIA there. As long as the people do not support their leaders and politicians in these areas, why should RUSSIA send troops into their territory. As for NATO tanks, they are stationed in the Baltic states, Poland, Romania, etc. and that, We must send troops there. There is no indecision here, but a well-thought-out calculation. RUSSIA should not get involved in a war because of 3 people who are sitting and waiting for RUSSIA. In RUSSIA, many more people support the USA, and then why won’t the USA send troops to RUSSIA. You must first think and then shout that PUTIN and RUSSIA are so indecisive.

[Kibalchish]

Well then, dear, don’t be surprised in 5-7 years by the missile defense systems near Belgorod.

[ar-ren]

Yeah! And Abrams is 200 km from Moscow!

[ar-ren]

Yeah! And Abrams is 200 km from Moscow!

[avia1991]

Quote: ar-ren

Yeah! And Abrams is 200 km from Moscow!

“Abrams are useless here... On our roads?! Yes with our fuel?!! And their 60-ton dinosaurs certainly won’t be able to crawl through our fields. This is a tank for positional combat, with a powerful gun, optics, combat range... But in an operational offensive it is almost useless, so 200 km is a decent “reserve”.

[vladimirvn]

Joke.
The Austrian Conchita approaches the Ukrainian poetess and says: “Now I will be both your brother and sister!”

[wanderer_032]

If this is the case as Igor Strelkov reports, then things are not going well for the LPR and DPR.
With such a small number of militia and Cossacks against 15 thousand (and that’s not all), they cannot survive for long.
Every now and then there are reports that the PS is forming more and more new units to wage war against the DPR and LPR.
If the Nazis manage to form faster, they will be able to strike earlier and the entire defense of the militia will crumble like a house of cards. The Right Sectors will simply take it in numbers.
Do the people of Donbass, those who are trying to stay on the sidelines now, acting on the principle “my house is on the edge,” understand what will happen next if the Nazis and representatives of the Kyiv gang win?
The media reported that concentration camps were already being built in central and western Ukraine.
Guess for whom?
Arrests and torture, as well as mass executions, await the DPR and LPR in case of defeat.
Do you want the right-wingers to come to your house, chase you with rifle butts and bayonets to the railway station, put you and your family and friends in a freight car and send you to a concentration camp?
Then sit and await your fate, like a flock of sheep.
Apparently the examples of Odessa, Mariupol and other examples are not enough for you.
The Nazis and the Kiev gang will not figure out who is right and who is wrong. For them, everything is based on racial (territorial) principles; whoever is from the Donbass and Lugansk region is already to blame.
There is a good phrase from I.A. Krylov’s fable, “The Wolf and the Lamb”:
“Your only fault is that I want to eat.”
So, something like this.
To be honest, I don’t recognize Donbass, but Donbass miners have always been not a timid people.

[cerbuk6155]

Quote: bda

Quote: EvgenSuslov

And then shout, where are you militias, help...

Let them not shout too much: they will learn the language, get used to gay pride parades, learn that Bandera and Shukhevych are heroes of Ukraine and will calmly be our enemies, confident that all the troubles are from us. And there will simply be fewer of us (Russians) by this very number of millions, which means we will be even weaker, finding ourselves “one on one” with the states, even with Geyropa, even with China. And the fact that in Ukraine there will be no “milk rivers with jelly banks”, and Ukrainian women for brothels will be the main export product of this country is a dubious consolation - Russian women are also used for these purposes all over the world.

There will be no fewer of us RUSSIANS if someone declares this against us. On the contrary, we will be stronger. And if these millions of people want to be with Bandera, we will not lose anything from this, but on the contrary, we will gain, it will immediately become clear who is Russian and who is not, and who is for RUSSIA and who is against.

[cerbuk6155]

Quote: bda

Quote: EvgenSuslov

And then shout, where are you militias, help...

Let them not shout too much: they will learn the language, get used to gay pride parades, learn that Bandera and Shukhevych are heroes of Ukraine and will calmly be our enemies, confident that all the troubles are from us. And there will simply be fewer of us (Russians) by this very number of millions, which means we will be even weaker, finding ourselves “one on one” with the states, even with Geyropa, even with China. And the fact that in Ukraine there will be no “milk rivers with jelly banks”, and Ukrainian women for brothels will be the main export product of this country is a dubious consolation - Russian women are also used for these purposes all over the world.

There will be no fewer of us RUSSIANS if someone declares this against us. On the contrary, we will be stronger. And if these millions of people want to be with Bandera, we will not lose anything from this, but on the contrary, we will gain, it will immediately become clear who is Russian and who is not, and who is for RUSSIA and who is against.

[natakor1949]

Listen to the “kibalchish”, rather you are a “bad guy”, you are talking about something that you don’t understand at all, why do you need V.V. Putin’s actions? Run across the border, they will give you a rifle and you will become a hero, and not a coward and a traitor like... Good luck, my brave little fool. How many of you are here on the forum of anik-warriors, lying on the sofa, picking your nose, and giving out the stupidest advice, already disgusting to read. My son is a military doctor, he went through Chechnya, I should send him to Ukraine so that he can protect fishing enthusiasts there during their war, right? If all the people form a wall, then Banderlog will be behind Kiev in 3 days. But in the cellar under the mattress with pickles and preserves it is calmer and more satisfying. Therefore, everything will be as they deserved and wanted it themselves. God is their judge. And we will wait for the Defender Heroes in Russia. Glory to them!

[Kibalchish]

Who told you that I don’t help? Not with a machine gun, really (I’m of little use here, even though I served in the army), but I organized something else to help ours. What good are you, armchair warrior?

[Slavs]

It’s disgusting at heart... I corresponded with my brother in Energodar, there were a lot of speeches about “we will bring down the Right Sectors,” but he knows NOTHING about what is happening in Donetsk... I had to send him links... But there is the Internet and it’s not just for porn. .. In my native village, I also don’t care who wins, it would all be over quickly... Depression has set in. These are my fellow countrymen, relatives, friends... What's wrong with people? They quickly forgot the story, not so distant...

[Python Kaa]

Ancient Chinese doctors had this axiom: Treatment of any disease takes approximately the same amount of time as passed from the onset of the disease to the start of treatment. If we consider the human body as a complexly organized system, then it obeys the same laws of cybernetics as other complexly organized systems, for example, human society. So, in relation to the situation in Ukraine, the “treatment” of Ukraine will take at least three decades. This is if you use therapeutic methods. Therefore, I find momentary assessments of the situation and treatment methods proposed on their basis funny. There are also surgical methods for treating Ukraine - occupation.
Most commentators have never dealt with critical situations professionally. I, as an anesthesiologist and resuscitator, can responsibly declare that a major operation is a small death. During anesthesia, a person loses two of the main signs of life - consciousness and breathing. And in the postoperative period, he may remain in this state for days if the operation was accompanied by complications. And all this time, dozens of people, monitoring equipment, and an artificial ventilation device are around him around the clock. Believe me - it is VERY EXPENSIVE and VERY HARD. In relation to Ukraine, this means that all of Russia should deal only with Ukraine, while fighting off Western “partners. We cannot do this. Ukrainians must do everything themselves and drink their cup of guilt to the bottom. And there is considerable guilt for EVERYONE. After all, perhaps those female cannibals who poured "Molotov cocktails" in Odessa had great-grandfathers who were Heroes of the Soviet Union, grandfathers and fathers who worked conscientiously, but raised such squalor. Let them choose themselves. Maximum help and support of common sense - yes. Introducing troops - not in no matter what.

[Deadmen]

The Slavyansk militia said that the National Guard of Ukraine shot ten servicemen who wished to go over to the side of the self-defense forces. Stella Khorosheva, press secretary of the “people’s mayor” of the city, Vyacheslav Ponomarev, told RIA Novosti on Sunday, May 18.

“Ten people (Ukrainian military - Lenta.ru’s note) wanted to come over to our side, but the Ukrainian guard, the commanders themselves, shot them,” said Khorosheva.

[Russ69]

Another interview with Babai...

[Ivan_Ivanov]

A very necessary, important message.

But do not wait too much for consciousness from ordinary citizens.

Even during World War II, when the enemy was obvious and tangible, not many people were registered in the militia. The vast majority was drafted into the army by the Military Commissariats, or from distant towns and villages - by recruiters with a full range of powers.

Something similar needs to be organized in the Donbass. Purposeful recruitment through military registration and enlistment offices, or other official structures created by the DPR.

[Alfer]

I always said that we shouldn’t go there. If the majority of them are silent, well, then everything suits them. Some people fooled their ears that some miners would tear everyone apart, but they believed them. Some republics were created. Donetsk, Lugansk... They are shouting, making noise. We will not give up, there are hundreds of thousands of us here. And where are these hundreds? Blah, blah, blah.. Chatterboxes and only all these leaders. They are putting forward some kind of ultimatums. Let's start a war, they say. So start. Without ultimatums .You have that Right Sector hanging around Donetsk. For some reason your train station and airport are in the hands of that national guard. What borders are you going to open there with Russia? If no one lets you near the borders. And no one will go to recapture those borders then. All this can be said, we will boldly go into battle.. and we will follow you. And as one we will die.. Go on your own. Or something else.. Mahmud, why is the saddle covered in shit? That’s how they shoot. I mean that many here have no brains screaming, we need to send an army to Russia. Are you out of your mind? Why and for whom? Who are we supposed to protect there? Those who run around and film everything for some reason on their cell phones. Such morons are running around. Or those who are sitting in apartments? So They won’t help our army. They’ll continue to sit as they sat near the TV. Or watch from the balcony. And the Ukrainian army, no matter how bad it is, because we came there as occupiers, will get a second wind and start shooting at us. And even more volunteers from the center, south and west of Ukraine will run there. And zinc will go to Russia. Cargo 200. The question is, why should our boys die there? For those quilted jackets, or what? It’s not for nothing that the Westerners despise them and don’t consider them for the people. You can’t eradicate the slave psychology. Don’t think that I’m Ukrainian, a Banderaite, or a troll. I’m alive, I’m from Voronezh. I live in Moscow. And I think soberly.

[vladimirvn]

Well, yes, why be surprised.

[northern]

5/6 of Ukraine sits on the op level and waits for others to defeat them. What kind of help can we talk about?

[northern]

Does it really hurt your eyes? How many voted for federalization, and how many went to defend these decisions? All we hear is that we want troops from Russia. Do you want boys from the Russian Federation to fight for you? Want is not harmful. We also need to do something ourselves. How many people are there in the SE who can fight? How many are actually struggling? The hut is on the edge, as always :-( I invite the sofa heroes to comment in the comments, at least recognize you by sight, brave minusers.

[ar-ren]

Change your nickname! The northerners never lived according to the principles that you profess! The principle - “Let them kill our people, my house is on the edge!”

[northern]

Teach your wife how to cook cabbage soup

[Escander_84]

How did you get me on all the branches, with your oh propaganda!!! So answer me this question... approximately how many people are in Strelok’s assets??? Taking into account those who cannot move away from the “Home” checkpoint, there will be approximately 2 tons. bayonets. And most of them are visiting volunteers from anywhere but Donbass!!! Now think about how many young and healthy people should have been drafted in the spring in these two regions... WHERE ARE THEY?????? And why the hell are these equally young and healthy Russian boys supposed to pull the plug for a crowd of draft dodgers from a country that itself, fuck... doesn’t need anything!?! OR UNTIL STRELKOV, AS MINISTER OF DEFENSE OF DONBAS, INTRODUCES GENERAL MOBILIZATION, EVERYONE WILL STILL SITT ON F.. EXACTLY??? And are you aware of the dangers of evading general mobilization in wartime conditions??? So I’ll remind you from 5 to 7 of the general regime!

[northern]

I looked at his posts on VO - 2/3 are “Putin is a traitor” and “we need to send in troops” - he is either a bot or a stupid instigator.

[Escander_84]

I agree with you Severny, it just boiled over...

[Slavs]

Donbass, this is for you... Remember...

[Agent 008]

Guys, let's think sensibly. Agree, in Crimea our “polite people” decided the outcome of the referendum! If they had not appeared on time, the Junta would have sent the army, the National Guard, to Crimea, and blood would have flowed like in the Donbass... In Crimea, the people with weapons did not rise up either, so it is only thanks to OUR ARMY that blood was not shed in Crimea! That is, the people decided to be with Russia, but without our army in Crimea, nothing would have happened, this must be admitted...

[ar-ren]

+ 100500!

Plus. Because of our army, there were no corpses in Crimea. Due to the absence of our army in the southeast, people are now being killed there. The one who did not send troops to the southeast is no less guilty of the mountain of corpses than the one who shoots there.

[Orik]

Quote: agent xnumx

Guys, let's think sensibly. Agree, in Crimea our “polite people” decided the outcome of the referendum! If they had not appeared on time, the Junta would have sent the army, the National Guard, to Crimea, and blood would have flowed like in the Donbass... In Crimea, the people with weapons did not rise up either, so it is only thanks to OUR ARMY that blood was not shed in Crimea! That is, the people decided to be with Russia, but without our army in Crimea, nothing would have happened, this must be admitted...

It’s a pity that I can give one plus!

[Dave36]

Russia needed Crimea.. because there are constant problems with the Navy.. now no.. and who needs the POOR DONBASS??????

[eid1]

The Russian “offshore” elite needed Crimea to buy land there and set up gambling and offshore zones

[s1н7т]

No, Gazprom is going to stir up something in the Black Sea for many trillions, as I heard.

[Escander_84]

Oh, I would give a lot just to look at that junta where the thread is in the Cossack Bay of the glorious city of Sevastopol... Or in “peaceful” conversations, say with a company of marines... this, I tell you, is not to smash the protesting intelligentsia.. ... here you also need a brain, at least so that the instinct of self-preservation turns on in time!!!

[Escander_84]

But seriously, Sevastopol is a military Russian city. And I can’t imagine how it could be intimidated or crushed, like Odessa, for example. The little green ones only ensured the speed of carrying out all the necessary procedures, but not the result!!! IMHO

[Escander_84]

Oh, I would give a lot to look at that junta, say, in the Cossack Bay of the glorious city of Sevastopol. Or in “peaceful” meetings, with a company of Marines. It’s not for you to smash the protesting intelligentsia, here I’ll tell you that you also need a brain, if only so that the instinct of self-preservation will turn on in time!!!

But seriously, Sevastopol is a military Russian city. And I can’t imagine how it could be intimidated or crushed, like Odessa, for example. The little green ones only ensured the speed of carrying out all the necessary procedures, but not the result!!! IMHO

[mamont5]

Local battles are taking place in Novorossiya.

“The development of the situation over the last day shows that the junta can no longer, and the militia cannot yet.
All these sporadic shootings, shelling, attempts to take hostages and movements of irregular formations do not strategically affect the situation in any way, although they have been going on for several days, gradually becoming the background and routine. Just a few days ago, mortar and artillery fire near Slavyansk was perceived as out of the ordinary. Well, who can she surprise now? It is as everyday as skirmishes on the outskirts of Kramatorsk or military raids of DPR militias from Slavyansk to surrounding villages to clear out the National Guard.

The junta, apparently, will not dare to use armored vehicles and aircraft en masse before the elections, and the militias today do not yet have enough strength to begin defeating the enemy group. Therefore, a strange situation has arisen when, against the backdrop of a sluggish military conflict, the militias are slowly biting the junta, shooting at unwary “guards” and trying to squeeze out military units along with their weapons. The junta is traditionally hysterical about this, dripping with traditional media lies (the funerals of Strelkov, Bolotov, Babai take place almost every day), as well as senseless killings of civilians.

Both sides are essentially now waiting for May 25th. The DPR is using the available time to strengthen its power, recruit volunteers and prepare for a tougher confrontation, while simultaneously solving the problems of fighting the internal fifth column in the person of the Akhmets and the remnants of the old government.
The junta, having failed the next stage of the punitive operation, continues to feverishly move its small forces across the territory of the DPR and LPR, while the main group is pointlessly trampling around Slavyansk, suffering painful injections and losses.
Judging by reports, the army has practically withdrawn itself and battles are taking place between small groups of militias and special forces units reinforced with cannon fodder from the National Guard. So far, judging by the losses and movements of the front line, success is with the militias, who are fewer in number and less well armed. This does not mean that some great victory has been achieved; it’s just that at the tactical level, the junta has suffered a number of significant setbacks since May 2, which all together lead to the collapse of the operational plan to suppress the uprising in the DPR. Because 8 days before the elections, the DPR will clearly become overgrown with people and weapons, which will make the military option unsolvable. It is still problematic, and taking into account the fact that small arms are leaking into the hands of the militias by the hundreds and that almost every day the militias are getting infantry fighting vehicles or armored personnel carriers, in a week, the junta group in Donbass will begin to lose to the DPR army in numbers. At the same time, I wouldn’t be surprised if the militias are able to squeeze out tanks and heavy artillery. All this is in the Donbass - you just need to competently surround and seize it."
http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1591789.html

[Grandfather Victor]

The question of what Russia should do is not a simple one. However, there is a simple answer to this: Russia CANNOT “lose” the events in Ukraine, since such a loss would be the beginning of the end for Russia itself. And you won’t be able to sit out even in the Kremlin.

[eid1]

If Russia had supported the South-East in any way, well, at least the slobbering Kurginyan had organized a rally against the junta that was burning people alive, I think the men in Donbass would have been scratching themselves.
Shame on the Kremlin junta, which seized power in Russia in 1991-1993!

[Manul49]

Quote: Nick

So far it’s worse for them to lose their jobs and salaries. Their life is not in danger. That's when it will be worse to lose a life, then they will probably rise ...
A wise Russian proverb says - Thunder will not strike, a man will not cross himself.

Exactly. But when the thunder strikes, it will be too late to be baptized. NOW everyone who considers themselves a man, not only by the presence of balls, but by spirit, should crawl out from under their skirts and tear themselves away from the TV. Not for everyone, of course - the desire to fight is not enough, but for those who have served - certainly. Otherwise, shame and disgrace. And Strelkov will give them guns, this is not partisanship, like in 1942: first kill the enemy with a stone, and then take his shmeis to continue fighting.

[Bubyr]

I have several friends in the Donetsk region and only 1 out of 6 are for joining Russia. The rest say “nothing bad is happening,” “everything will work out,” etc. I think these are the problems of “Independence”, so let them solve them. (or their country does not solve this issue).
Yes, we lost Ukraine just like Georgia, and this is not surprising, the West invested HUGE money on all sorts of revolutions. And let’s be honest, Russia can barely solve its internal problems, not to mention the problems in other countries. In the end, money decides everything, so as long as our budget is smaller than the American one, we are forced to sit on the defensive, which is what has been happening for the last 20 years. Everything is natural!

[Manul49]

Quote: Artyom

Igor Strelkov and people like him!
Lyrics of Victor Berkovsky - Grenada

We rode in step, we raced in battle
And the bullseye kept the song in his mouth.
And still keeps this song
The grass is young, steppe malachite.

But another song about a distant land
My friend drove with him in the saddle.
He sang, looking around his native land:
Grenada, Grenada, My Grenada.

He kept repeating this song by heart.
Where did the guy get Spanish sadness.
Answer Alexandrovsk, and Kharkov answer -
For a long time, we began to sing in Spanish.

I left the house, went to fight,
To give the land in Grenada to the peasants.
Goodbye, relatives, goodbye, friends -
Grenada, Grenada, My Grenada.

We raced, dreaming to comprehend as soon as possible
Grammar of battle, battery language
The sunrise rose and fell again
And the horse was tired of riding in the steppes.
But the bullseye song was played by the squadron
The bow of suffering on the violins of the times.
Where is the buddy your song -
Grenada, Grenada, My Grenada?

The punctured body crawled to the earth.
Comrade left the saddle for the first time
I saw a moon bend over a corpse
And dead lips whispered to Gren ...

Yes, to a far field, sky-high reach
My buddy left and took the song away
Since then, native lands have not been heard.
Grenada, Grenada, My Grenada.

The squad did not notice the loss of a fighter,
And the apple finished the song to the end,
Only in the sky quietly slipped after a while
On the velvet of sunset is a tear of rain.

Life came up with new songs
Comrade, don’t have to bother about the song.
No, no, no, my friends.
Grenada, Grenada, My Grenada.

NO. Text by Mich. Svetlova, Viktor Berkovsky is only one of the versions of the melody, of which there were many: Yuri Chichkov, Konstantin Listov, Mikael Tariverdiev, Abram Kabakov.

[Agent 008]

Here we are arguing, and someone is scolding someone a little... Let's wait and soon it will be clear whose side is true...

[natakor1949]

I can’t explain why Igor Strelkov’s appeal touched my heart, maybe because I was born shortly after the Second World War. My father fought, had awards. He was in the army for 8 years, served for 3 years when the war began, 4 years after the war began. , 1 year after the war - he served as a sapper (he was wounded, shell-shocked, did not recover (like many in those days) ran away from the hospital to catch up with his family. Our family is purebred Ukrainians, my grandmother in 1933 with many others moved to Primorye, in Ukraine before There are still many relatives in the 3rd and 4th generation. But the Russians definitely have a different mentality, a different way of thinking. I am many years old now, but if my home and my children were threatened by those subhumans who operate in Ukraine, I would take up arms myself, even if even cold. She lived her life, but never allowed anyone to even raise their voice at her, she would have chewed off her arms up to the elbows but would have defended herself. And she raised her son: first, love for the Motherland, then for his parents, then for himself. And how can you, mothers of the South-East, continue live, how can you look into each other’s eyes if the sons of your friends are killed by these ghouls, and your son remains alive in the basement. All the same, one day you will have to answer for everything you have done, and most importantly, what you have not done. I have no more sympathy for you, my dear relatives. Anyway, we all die someday, but what kind of memory will you leave behind - cowards, selfish people. That’s it, I won’t write anything about the Outskirts ever again. Igor Strelkov Eternal Glory to you and your team!!! And Eternal Life!!!

[DMB87]

From Colonel Kassad:

15-26
From comments:

Yesterday Strelkov said that he does not see any volunteers.

Igor Ivanovich, you are busy on the front line, so you are not always aware of what is happening in the rear.

At the volunteer collection points there are crowds of people wanting to sign up, but they are told that “the recruitment is over, there is no more need now.” Perhaps this remains from the time when there were not enough weapons (you yourself said then that you could not accept volunteers because there is nothing to arm them with). Inertia of management processes, especially during the transition period.

We think this unfortunate misunderstanding will be corrected soon."

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1593221.html

[Kail_seven]

In general, it’s somehow strange, the channels claim that there is a large influx of people interested
http://lifenews.ru/news/133233?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[alex 777]

It’s been 2 months since the fate of Donbass is being decided, and 400 thousand miners are poking around underground like moles. Well done guys, you can’t say anything... And aren’t you ashamed? But how many lofty words were said: “we will tear everyone apart with our bare hands.” Those former miners are, indeed, long gone. These current ones are like zombies...as long as they are paid money, they will dig around underground, and let others fight for Donbass...for example, Russians from Crimea, Russia. Well, we...we will wait, following the events on our TV, in the evenings, on the couch with a beer. It’s a shame what the Russians in Ukraine have become in just 23 years. Consciousness has completely degraded among people.

[demotivator]

There are few who will go out of order
Having atoned for the entire era...
Sleep, cowards, heroes will save you -
There are three people in the whole country.

It's easy for you - your path to the window is from the door.
And for some - from fire to fire.
Somewhere in an open field animals are howling,
And the chieftain approaches the horse.

Sleep, you cowards. This dark night
Candles light up in the distance.
Your banner, torn to shreds,
Someone picks it up from the dust.

There is a war going on for your tomorrow,
Some people value faith there.
Apparently you have betrayed the truth
Someone protects from the enemy.

In the viscous ooze of well-fed peace
You are forever frozen anyway.
Sleep, cowards, heroes will save you!
To the free - freedom, and to the saved - rock bottom.

Marina Strukova

[Slon1978]

Quote: Kibalchish

Because the coward and traitor is this BB. The interests of oligarch friends are more important to him.

That is, we need to send in our troops to defeat the Nat. Guard - in this case, in any case, suffer some losses of their soldiers, because there is no war without losses, provoke the most powerful political crisis since the Cuban missile crisis, impose FULL economic sanctions from half the world, and then pay compensation and take care of the residents of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions for food and protection, who were sitting on their butts even themselves Frankly, we weren’t particularly stressed about our fate. Did I understand your idea correctly? I think Strelkov-Girkin will not just throw out such calls without serious reasons. Donbass must rise - truly rise and prove that it deserves independence. And then there will be military-technical assistance and gas at domestic Russian prices and orders from the Russian military-industrial complex and industry. In the meantime - with the rare exception of civic consciousness - all that is heard from the residents of Donbass and Lugansk region is lamentation about the fact that they are being prevented from living in peace and “when will the bastards stop shooting?” They are not openly threatened now, on the contrary, the media is showing a positive picture for them - but they must understand - unless they have sawdust in their heads - that this picture will be very scary at odds with reality. First they will start slaughtering the militiamen and their families, then their friends, imaginary and real accomplices, then the militiamen they know, then simply based on denunciations from neighbors, then those with a Russian surname, then those who cannot immediately sing the Ukrainian anthem. Do you think it's fantasy? Nothing of the kind - it will become a reality, Donbass and Lugansk region must UNDERSTAND that IT WILL NOT PASS!

[Kibalchish]

You didn't quite understand my point. To begin with, not troops, but an air strike on Ukrainian units. army and national guard. This is a tactical strike.
At the same time, long-range aviation strikes Kiev - the Verkhovna Rada, the Ministry of Defense, the main department of the SBU, the main department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the television center, electrical substations, gas pumping stations, hospitals, schools, kindergartens, train stations, bridges should lie in ruins. After such an intimidation raid, Kyiv will have no time for Donbass, and at the same time no time for Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye and much more.
Let snickering Kyiv experience first-hand what war is!!! This is how I want to see Russia's response.
To live with wolves - howl like a wolf!

[Cynic]

Quote: Kibalchish

To begin with, not troops, but an air strike on Ukrainian units. army and national guard. This is a tactical strike.

Who will crush the S-300 before an airstrike? In Georgia, Bandera’s men have already knocked down our people!
YOU ARE IN REAL, NOT VIRTUAL !

In general _ NOT CREATIVE!
CREATIVE, since it’s a tactical strike, THIS IS TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS. And no problems!
There was only one Chernobyl in Ukraine, there will be Chernobyl and Kyiv!
Ugh, you don’t know that schizophrenia is contagious? Otherwise there are obvious signs of infection!

Whoever you hang out with, that's how you'll gain

[Escander_84]

Is there an open day at Kashchenko??? Comrade... are you out of your mind??? Tactical air strike... long-range aviation strike on the center of Kyiv... can you imagine the number of random casualties (among the civilian population)??? And in what form will Russia then appear in the eyes of its close neighbors??? A country that can easily erase a regime it does not like, and at the same time the capital of any of these states!!! Then we will get NATO bases not in Poland, but along the entire perimeter of Russia. Maybe then it would be better to have a nuclear strike on the center of Kyiv....????? In a word, YOU Mister PROVOCATOR, fat minus, and referral for treatment to the appropriate institutions!

[Cynic]

Quote: Escander_84

A country that can easily erase a regime it does not like, and at the same time the capital of any of these states!!!

They will be afraid!
And, they are afraid - that means they respect!

Quote: Escander_84

Maybe then it would be better to have a nuclear strike on the center of Kyiv....?????

OB and BO were left without consideration; OB and BO are somehow closer to me, binary in particular, and property does not deteriorate.

[Deadmen]

you have just described the stupidest military plan of the 20th century

[skullcap]

Quote: Kibalchish

At the same time, long-range aviation strikes Kiev - the Verkhovna Rada, the Ministry of Defense, the main directorate of the SBU, the main directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the television center, electrical substations, gas pumping stations, hospitals, schools, kindergartens, train stations, bridges should lie in ruins

As someone who has not served in the military, you came up with a "brilliant" plan.
Only Novodvorskaya can come up with a better idea.
You didn't serve in the army. but at least you finished school?

[Kibalchish]

Served in the army, two higher educations. And you're probably a vocational school student?

[avia1991]

Quote: Kibalchish

hospitals, schools, kindergartens, train stations,

Aren't you too carried away?..

[zbidnev]

Then you will get a war that neither your economy nor your army can handle. You will fight with the people. No one in Ukraine is waiting for you.

[avia1991]

Quote: Slon1978

And then there will be military-technical assistance and gas at domestic Russian prices and orders from the Russian military-industrial complex and industry.

So far, in any case, it seems that our authorities do not need the South-East - they prefer to see Ukraine undivided.. Mr. Naryshkin has already stated that they are ready to recognize the elections on the 25th, since “this is the lesser of two evils.” And Gazprom is already ready to give a discount on gas.. In general, it doesn’t seem that Russia now has a firm position on what to do - rather an indecisive and confused one..

[Sword]

Before assessing Strelok’s performance, I invite everyone to remember that in addition to a conventional war, there is also an information war. And during the Second World War, special attention was paid to the art of deceiving the enemy. We think, comrades.

[Escander_84]

So the point is that when you get to such forums, such information is multiplied in effect... which is actually what is required, and what is the meaning of this procedure... in general, read above!

[old man]

I looked through the mountain's opinion thread, everyone is smart, but let's not give the enemy (and he is present here) to gloat and be sarcastic. And friends in the South-East have a reason to be upset and despondent - everything will be fine for them, they need to work with their sleeves rolled up. Looking at you and your successes, people will be drawn to you. GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE in SE.

[boozer]

Yes, it’s clear that 80 percent of the so-called electorate are sitting in their huts and waiting for changes. Well, we went to the polls, voted, then stupidly went to work, to the garden, to run errands, to drink beer, etc.

[Kail_seven]

http://lifenews.ru/news/133233?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Boricello]

Quote: Kibalchish

Open your eyes. Donetsk has been asking Russia to intervene for three months. If you spent this time in kamatose, then this is your problem.

Now take an open-minded look at the situation. Compare the level of applicants and their support, as well as the legitimacy of local authorities. In Crimea there was the entire deputy corps (the level of legitimacy of the government is maximum). In Donbass it is still unclear who they are in the sense that they are not burdened with power. Many parallels can be drawn, but all of them will not be in favor of Donbass. And if you add up all the + and -, it turns out that by sending in troops, Putin would have done exactly what the United States and the Geiropp want from him. Putin is much smarter and more insightful than the loudmouths screaming at every step about sending in troops. The same Strelkov said that NOBODY WANTS TO FIGHT IN DONBASS!!!! They can only throw slogans there. Having sent in troops, it is not known how everything will turn out. Those couch brethren will then stick a knife in his back. And the result will be zilch, and the West will be completely justified in its words and actions. The referendum is wonderful, but!!!!!all the proclaimed power in Donetsk is still an empty phrase. The police, SBU and HF are subordinate to Kyiv, and those spontaneous seizures of police departments and the alleged oath of allegiance to the DPR are all nonsense. Just as they swore allegiance to one, they will refuse. Look at the golden eagle. Half quit, and the other half went to serve the scum that is in power. So there is no need to point out that the “authorities” of Donbass asked to send troops. WHAT AUTHORITIES?!!!! In general, Kibalchish, you are either a provocateur or young and don’t think with your head yet. Now, until May 25, I think all the water supply in Slavyansk will proceed according to the sluggish option. Kyiv is doing with the hands of militias what it cannot do itself. Grinds radicals in a meat grinder. By doing this, the militia plays into the hands of the Kyiv authorities. By and large, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are in a cordon, and the National Guard and homo-rights activists are on the front line. So the more they are crushed, the easier it will be for Kyiv to finish them off. After 25, all this fluff will be unnecessary. So why waste your resources if others are doing your job so well? It is quite possible that after taking office, the PA-Poroshenko will begin negotiations with the DPR and “quietly” (it won’t work) remove Yarosh.

[nstarinsky]

I would like to especially draw attention to those who came to the headquarters and left with nothing, understanding that they are not handing out slingshots here, but weapons from which they must shoot accurately. And not somewhere at home from the window of a small shed to the grunting of a wild boar, but on the front line. Shame and shame! Former unit commanders are sitting out. Maybe these are those who traveled to Chechnya and Georgia? Let's remember Spain. Without giving the enemy a real rebuff, the world got what it deserved for its passivity.
Those calling to open the border - you were late or did not listen to the appeal. There are weapons. There is no one to shoot from it. War would be an easy affair if the front line constantly relied on fire support from the rear.
But it is not this that is striking in its scale, but those regions of Ukraine that swallowed the Odessa pill. It is there that they will experience all the “charm” of Hitler-jugent. And if you guys think that Odessa is terrible, wait a little and they will show you that Nazism has no limits.

[nomad74]

Quote: Alekseev

Quote: krpmlws

It's time to get rid of idealism (all people are obliged to voluntarily take up arms)

Yes, not a single serious politician or national leader suffers from such idealism.
Whole nation even in the 100-150 thousandth protest could not go in Donetsk.
But it takes only 20-30 thousand to the militia. Of the 7 million people in Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Suppose there are only 500 thousand suitable men, so you need out of a total of 5 people ...
There are no fewer cops that supposedly went over to the side of the DPR, the military, etc.
Well, if the passive choice of the population will submit to the junta, then the Russian Federation must accept all pro-Russian activists. This will be the basis for the formation of the new Russian Cossacks.

Everything is exactly like that! I’m still thinking about whether to go or not to help the people of the southeast! I looked at the Slavyansk website and felt sad and wanted to cry! If we in Russia are so worried about them, then read the most common message from the Slavyansk website!

[s1н7т]

Damn, if I were half as old as I am, I would already be there! By the call of my soul and by profession. Is it really true that those who are younger are no longer capable? Although, of course, right now they are looking for something richer, and not like us - romantics! “My friends are marching through life...” (c)! At least - Transnistria and Abkhazia. And someone else started from Nalchik and Karabakh. Has it become weak under capitalism to fight for ideas and professional skills? Children of "democracy", damn it!

[avia1991]

Quote: c1n7

And someone else started from Nalchik and Karabakh

Some are from Afghanistan. I have a good friend there, a former fellow soldier. In Afghanistan he was a sniper, now he is 47... he left without thinking about his age.