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About the future of Donbass. What should be done so that a military victory is not in vain

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Hello, friends!


Against the background of the general euphoria of the referendum held in the Donbas, successful actions of the Donbass army and other slogans and positive, I want to add a little tar to this already sweet-smelling barrel of honey, and also drop some super optimists from heaven to the sinful earth.

So what do we have? And we have two state, however, no one recognized education, which are in a state of rather hot war. Yes, we must pay tribute, they can fight, at least against the so-called Ukrainian troops. Moreover, these guys even managed to hold a referendum, despite all the opposition from all sides. So, what else do we have? ...

Yes nichrome, absolutely not a damn. Is there a clear power? Not. Like someone is prescribed there every day, they talk about something, they chant something, but the authorities do not. The Bolotovs, the Gubarevs, the Strelkovs, who else is there, did they at least make one government decision? Minimum, state borders, at least on the map outlined? And at least pegs stuck there? Nah And what kind of state without a state border, think for yourself?

Go ahead. Do these guys have a financial system? What currency are they going to use? Hryvnia - the currency of the country with which they wage war? Interestingly, I imagine how the USSR in the 1941-1945 uses Reichsmarks. But Kiev understands this perfectly well, and therefore the National Bank of Ukraine, as far as I know, stopped its work in the Donbas. What's next? There is no state regulator, which means that other banks can do what they want, or rather, what they will be ordered by their state regulators. The National Bank of Ukraine will say to cut off the flow of the hryvnia to the region and that's it, welcome to the natural economy, I mean in ancient times, like Zimbabwe. Some optimists are screaming about getting away with the ruble. But, really, these sofa economists forget that they overslept or skipped classes in economics, and did not read economics books themselves. Therefore, they do not know that a ruble can be avoided only if the Central Bank of Russia, at the suggestion of the Russian government, allows them to build a dependent structure, from the Central Bank (or build its branch, which is unacceptable), which will act as a state regulator of financial flows with limited right emissions. Difficult, yes? Well, nothing, all these words can otguglit and something like to compare, it will be clearer. But simply put, Russia will not do this in relation to the unrecognized state, which means, again, welcome to the subsistence economy. It would be nice to remember how at the beginning of 90's wages were issued with bolts, heaters and other manufactured goods. Hence the conclusion - you need to create your own state bank, which will solve all these issues. The truth is not clear what to provide your currency, so that it does not become karbovanetsi times 90-x or Kerenki. But this, by the way, is the simplest question in economics. More importantly, according to what rules will this state bank work? After all, there is no law.

We turn to the next topic, which is closely related to the previous one. I honestly do not know what ministries and departments are in the DPR, but I do know for sure that there is a Foreign Ministry headed by Katya Gubareva. But tell me, friends, what kind of diplomatic success has this Foreign Ministry achieved, except for having written several witty press releases in the FB? This is not the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, this is some kind of press service. Where are the negotiations with the same Russia and Belarus? Where are the international agreements, but at least with the DPRK? What does this ministry do? After all, it is on his shoulders that there should be talks on gas, on the Central Bank and other points, but instead there are photos of VKontakte, tweets and other trash.

I have a suspicion that here it is, the Internet generation has gotten to power, but does not know what to do. Of course, the forerunner of the Internet generation in big politics was the ever-awake non-Dimon, but he had great management experience behind him and very serious professionals supported him, and from this generation he was alone there. Immediately almost everything. How did it happen? It is necessary to understand that politics is not tanchiki and not a forge of empires, they are living people who will imprison you if you make them starve. Even stupid Yatsenyuk with the Turchinovs (who, in fact, are not head and orders of magnitude higher than the leadership of the DPR understand the processes and management), as we see, they manage to gain support, get loans, create inside and outwardly economic ties and much more. Immediately it turns out that, they say, the referendum was held and everything, then everything will go on itself, get better and everyone will live happily. Fuck it, comrades, it does not happen. The referendum is only the first step in an endless way. This, speaking in a language that you can understand, is only registration in the game, and not at the simplest level, with tutorials, hints and other things, but rather serious. Not on hard, of course, only Russia plays on it and the United States plays, but nonetheless. And now we need to develop very quickly, solve a bunch of tasks and all that jazz. For example, I will tell you that no one seemed to be laughing at the State Duma of the Russian Federation, but even now, in a state with a formed legislative and legal basis, hundreds of draft laws are submitted daily for consideration in the Duma and dozens are accepted. In the DPR, there are no laws at all and they need to sit there around the clock and adopt them, work them out, discuss and adopt them, otherwise they will collapse. This is not a toy, where I clicked the mouse and everything went, then you have to work and work a lot. Well, okay, here, let him guys realize the truth about what it is to be a politician.

And if I started about the laws, I can not say a few words about Akhmetov. As if someone did not belong to him, but there is one fact - he is not a fool. And when he spoke his vision of the development of events, he was not so wrong, because he clearly sees that five days after the referendum nothing had changed, only the slogans had become more. Naturally, they all snapped up on him, they said that he should pay taxes to the budget of the DPR, and some journalist said that he either pays or will not be in the Donbas. Renat rightly sent everyone to hell, because there are no laws, there is no tax, there are no conditions for business, and it is not clear what payment to pay in any currency. So, what is next? Nothing, because in order to nationalize his enterprises, again, a law is needed, otherwise the authorities of the DPR will simply turn into gangsters who, in lawlessness, squeeze business from respected entrepreneurs and no one will recognize them, and even Russia will not help, because to move the gangs - moveton . And Akhmetov understands this, in contrast to the newly-minted authorities of the DPR.

So, as I said a month ago, when I tried to go to the leadership of the then informal DNR, in order to offer my help, I repeat again: DNI, UNTIL LATE, LOOK FOR PROFESSIONALS, AND ELSE WAIT FOR A FAST AND UNINQUISABLE CRASH, WITH ALL OVERCOMING!

Phew ... I could still continue in the same vein for a long time, but, apparently, I have already tired you, and indeed, who needs this boring honor, it’s better to look at the video about the Donbass army, everything is beautiful and positive there .
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  1. andrewvlg
    andrewvlg 17 May 2014 07: 22
    -12%
    It would be nice to recall how in the early 90's salaries were paid out with bolts, heaters and other manufactured goods.

    What kind of panic? In Ukraine, the population conducts most of the settlements in dollars and euros. A friend told me when he was there, it was possible to buy almost everything for dollars: consumer goods, soda, chips, etc.
    Therefore, the author of the article is completely in vain to fear a return to "natural economy". The population has not made savings in hryvnia for a long time.
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg 17 May 2014 07: 29
      +8
      Even the stupid Yatsenyuki and the Turchinovs (who, in fact, are not a cut above the DNI leadership in understanding processes and management), as we see, manage to secure support, receive loans, create internal and external economic relations, and much more.

      It's funny! For this is definitely a "minus". Under the leadership of these .. partners, Ukraine is sliding deeper and deeper into the pit.
      What loans? Miss out 15 billion from Russia and beg for 2-3 billion from the IMF and the EU? Ingenious. The gap in economic ties with Russia, within the country. In general, the author of the article claims something completely absurd.
      1. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 17 May 2014 09: 39
        +3
        Quote: andrewvlg
        It's funny! For this is definitely a "minus". Under the leadership of these .. partners, Ukraine is sliding deeper and deeper into the pit.
        What loans? Miss out 15 billion from Russia and beg for 2-3 billion from the IMF and the EU? Ingenious. The gap in economic ties with Russia, within the country. In general, the author of the article claims something completely absurd.

        I completely agree with you, andrewvlg (1)! It seems to me - an economist the author of this article. And these people very often take sleight of hand and agility of the convolution versed in "accounting" matters, almost - for wisdom. South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria - not state academies of the Russian Federation trained personnel for them. Now the DPR and LPR are solving operational issues, issues of survival! And with all that - the officials, the entire administrative apparatus has not gone anywhere. How and with what to fill the "circulatory system" of the regional economy before the establishment of the state institutions mentioned by the author - this is the field of action for economists! - Flag in hand!
        1. smile
          smile 17 May 2014 12: 46
          +9
          1812 1945
          Yes, even if it is an economist, no one will ever survive without an economy for any considerable time. He is absolutely right.
          And about the "operational questions of survival" - don't you understand that without money there is no question of survival? Borders, the judicial system, law enforcement agencies, the same tax authorities, the Ministry of Emergencies, etc. have not been taken under full control. etc., without real legitimization of statehood, there is no question of the survival of the republics, all decisions of the new authorities must be legal, based on their own legislation ... this is the basis on which the state is built ... so much time has passed since then how the decision on the referendum was made, but nothing was done ... the South-East did not even really unite ... it feels like they are sitting and waiting for someone to come and do everything for them ... Remember what the Bolsheviks did after coming to power - first of all, they created the legislative basis of the state - without it they would have been a Makhnovist gang .... they established management of the broken-down economy, transport, mobilized and launched industry, took control of not only telegraphs and railway stations, but also banks .... that is why they were able to survive and win on their own ... and their opponents could not do this in full, their industry practically did not work at all. therefore they were defeated in spite of outside help ...
          The author is right to indicate that something is not being done for some reason, a lot ... there is no desire .... The author thoroughly ruined the mood, but he is absolutely right.
          1. iConst
            iConst 17 May 2014 14: 39
            0
            Quote: smile
            1812 1945
            Yes, even if it is an economist, no one will ever survive without an economy for any considerable time. He is absolutely right.
            And about the "operational questions of survival" - don't you understand that without money there is no question of survival? Borders, the judicial system, law enforcement agencies, the same tax authorities, the Ministry of Emergencies, etc. have not been taken under full control. etc., without real legitimization of statehood, there is no question of the survival of the republics, all decisions of the new authorities must be legal, based on their own legislation ... this is the basis on which the state is built ... so much time has passed since then how the decision on the referendum was made, but nothing was done ... the South-East did not even really unite ... it feels like they are sitting and waiting for someone to come and do everything for them ... Remember what the Bolsheviks did after coming to power - first of all, they created the legislative basis of the state - without it they would have been a Makhnovist gang .... they established management of the broken-down economy, transport, mobilized and launched industry, took control of not only telegraphs and railway stations, but also banks .... that is why they were able to survive and win on their own ... and their opponents could not do this in full, their industry practically did not work at all. therefore they were defeated in spite of outside help ...
            The author is right to indicate that something is not being done for some reason, a lot ... there is no desire .... The author thoroughly ruined the mood, but he is absolutely right.

            Damn, I’m ready to defeat every sentence - but too much (laziness). I offer a choice.

            And wholesale - what is the author right? Where is one justification? All of you listed - all - I repeat - absolutely everything is done.
            And with maximum legitimacy: nothing could be done before the referendum. This is the first step, the basis.

            Regarding the other "attributes" you have listed, there are dozens of statements and orders of these new authorities and on banks and border guards, etc., etc. Just read more - the Internet is teeming with videos.

            And the Bolsheviks did not do everything all at once.
            1. smile
              smile 17 May 2014 17: 12
              +1
              iConst

              Calmer, calmer, thunderbolt, temper your agility ... :))) otherwise I will die of fear ... or with laughter. :))) Refute what you want. :)))
              I am not saying that everything should be done instantly. But the corresponding legislative base was to be adopted on the day of legalization of the Republic by referendum. There was enough time to develop and prepare for the quick take of everything and everything under control. But there is no complete control, mobilization of resources of the economy and industry. And the rest I do not want to repeat. :)))
              If you want to show off and "crush" me - try ... :))) If you want to argue - we will discuss the topic normally.
              1. iConst
                iConst 17 May 2014 18: 52
                -1
                the legislative framework was to be adopted on the day of legalization of the Republic by referendum

                1. What is the "legislative framework"?
                2. Where is this "obligation" spelled out?

                The Constitution has already been declared de facto in the preliminary version. Why is this still not enough for the region to act as an independent entity?
                1. smile
                  smile 17 May 2014 20: 47
                  0
                  iConst
                  1. I do not understand. where is the terrible rout of my worthless scribble? :))) Instead, there are counter questions. although a little earlier you complacently stated. that any line of mine ... but with one paratrooper regiment ... :))) I did not understand. are you smashing me or are you lying about me? :))) Or. maybe you decided to just discuss the topic and argue normally? Please indicate, the tone of my answers will depend on this. :)))

                  2. Regarding the legislative framework ..... and everything else .... At least. minimum, normative acts on the basis and within the framework of which law enforcement, judicial bodies, authorities and administrations, other power structures, changes in the Criminal Code, the Criminal Procedure Code, administrative, etc. are formed (just replace the name "Ukraine" to arbitrary.Otherwise, it will be problematic to condemn even a murderer, I'm not talking about an extremist), to impose a temporary moratorium on any real estate transactions, to take control and YOUR security of banks, energy, water supply, communications, all archives and points of collection and accumulation of information on any media, after all. Why is almost the entire border with us still controlled by practically unarmed Ukrainian border guards? Do you have data on the centralized mobilization of industry, agricultural enterprises, etc., transport, the accumulation of various resources necessary for waging a war, or at least the survival of the population? Has the formation and armament of subunits and detachments of the Armed Forces of the republics been established on a permanent basis, at least superficial training? Are the GO objects deactivated?
                  I repeat, you can write a lot .... yes, they did something, but they sway more slowly. But literate people do it much faster ... and there are plenty of literate people there ... I repeat, a month was enough to prepare .... and I know what I'm talking about.
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                  2. smile
                    smile 17 May 2014 23: 06
                    0
                    I will supplement Strelkov’s appeal without comment - this is about the fact that everything is being done ...
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MakglUaMqJc]
                    1. iConst
                      iConst 18 May 2014 09: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: smile
                      I will supplement Strelkov’s appeal without comment - this is about the fact that everything is being done ...
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MakglUaMqJc]

                      This is just about the fight. What does the rest of the tasks and problems have to do with it?

                      But on this fact - it’s sad. I have always said that the present generation, if anything, will merge the country. I did not want to believe, but the brain persistently kept repeating it.
                      Here is an indicator. Unfortunately, we have the same thing.
                  3. iConst
                    iConst 18 May 2014 09: 23
                    -2
                    Quote: smile
                    iConst
                    1. I do not understand. where is the terrible rout of my worthless scribble? :))) Instead, there are counter questions. ...

                    The request to carefully read my posts, I express myself specifically: he said the same - to choose from. The choice was not made. To write lengthy essays is laziness. But what without questions? You suggested to argue - do you know the rules of cultural dispute?
                    Quote: smile
                    2. Regarding the legislative framework ..... and everything else .... At least. minimum, normative acts on the basis and within the framework of which law enforcement, judicial bodies, authorities and administrations, other power structures, changes in the Criminal Code, the Criminal Procedure Code, administrative, etc. are formed (just replace the name "Ukraine" ...

                    Here, request number 1, if you declare a commitment to cultural controversy - forget phrases like "And everything else." This is a 100% marker of troll demagoguery. Everything else is the universe.

                    Now (I quote you) "... Regarding the legislative framework ..... and everything else .... At least . minimum, normative acts on the basis of and within the framework of which law enforcement, judicial bodies, authorities are formed "
                    What "minimum" are we talking about? - I didn't understand. What are these "regulations"? Could you name one such "normative act" that legitimizes, for example, the authorities? I am really looking forward to the answer to this question.

                    And I would like to know your concept of the magnitude of the time period that was given to people to do "everything" or "minimum": a day, a week, etc.
                    And the author wisely writes about some "pegs" that need to be driven in. As if there are no more important problems.
                    1. smile
                      smile 18 May 2014 12: 19
                      +1
                      iConst
                      You can consider me an uncultured interlocutor and a troll, signs of what you found in my comments - it does not matter to me. Generally.
                      But while you are diligently chattering the topic.
                      You say you are too lazy to write? Your lengthy comments suggest otherwise. :))) But, you can imagine, I'm too lazy :))) I am too lazy to sit for an hour and a half, think and make an approximate list of measures and laws that the New Authority needed to adopt. Time is needed to remove flaws and not give room to critics who like to ask counter-questions ... :)))
                      What laws? Law on the status of the police, uk, uk, laws on the judicial system and the status of judges (without this, no one can be prosecuted legally and any killer caught at the crime scene will be illegally detained and innocently convicted), about the banking system, about taxes and fees. the law on the state border and REPEAT, ITD ... :)))
                      It was not less than a month and a half to develop, or rather, correct the old ones, it would be quite enough to assemble a group of lawyers and draft the material in draft ...
                      So, I ask you not to blabber about the topic, I return to my first answer to you - refute what you want from my first comment, and do not breed a heavy-weighted bootleg with clarifications, additional questions - since you proudly stated how easy it is for you, every line ... :) ) Well, go ahead, comrade commander :)))
                      1. iConst
                        iConst 18 May 2014 13: 25
                        -2
                        Quote: smile
                        while you diligently chatter the topic

                        This is a lie - you have not even identified topics.
                        Quote: smile
                        ... disprove what you want from my first comment, and do not breed a heavy-weight bodyagi with clarifications, additional questions ..

                        But how did you, my friend, want to discuss a spherical horse in a vacuum? I asked a question - do you know the rules of cultural polemics? It seems not.
                        And the rules are as follows - the thesis is defined and clarified which is subsequently upheld by one side and refuted by the other, using argument-proof.

                        So I clarify the very thesis. And "wholesale" reasoning is precisely the demagoguery where you are so persistently pulling me.
                        No?

                        According to your answer, you called the "normative acts" "laws" (again it is dull - say that I misunderstood ...): about the status of the police, the criminal code, the criminal code ... , including diplomatic relations with Tau Kita).

                        The term is named - one and a half months. Thank.

                        Let me distract myself - have you ever developed any commercial project? A business plan with a budget of about $ 10 million (this is not a big project, and excuse me - the projects say in bucks, because the purchase is all over the hill).
                        And how much is it prepared by a group of specialists, even if it is practically "typical"?
                        Up to six months. Because the project is a SYSTEM. List what you need in a couple of days. But to link all this into an action plan taking into account all the main risks - this is where the main work is. Otherwise, it is a filkin letter.
                        Ask what does the project have to do with it, and despite the fact that both there and there is a SYSTEM obeying the same rules in the RESOURCES-TIME-RESULT triangle.

                        We well saw non-compliance with these rules in Sochi, when contractors changed how gloves and objects exceeded already fatty budgets up to 4 times.

                        This is about "enough" time.
                        And now about the "laws". Who do you think has the right to make laws? And what is the (legitimate) procedure for passing laws? And - most importantly - what ensures the legitimacy of the activities of the body that adopts these laws? Can you answer?
                      2. smile
                        smile 18 May 2014 14: 20
                        0
                        iConst
                        1. Just blabbering - your extensive comments indicate this. But there’s no defeat and no ... you haven’t even started yet :)))
                        2 .... my friend ... you said pathetically: "Damn, I'm ready to crush every proposal - but too much (laziness). I offer a choice." I answered: "Refute what you want. :)))". I am reporting by voice - this means ANY PROPOSAL of my comment. Well, what else do you want? Act, not chatter ... if you didn’t need additional information to arrogantly declare that I’m bad, and then it turns out what is needed. So maybe the first statement was pure show-off? After all, otherwise I would have been lying in ruins for a long time :))) Honestly, I am tired of your empty chatter and, as you rightly mentioned, demagoguery, sorry
                        3.If you are not able to understand what a "normative act" is and what a "law" is, that the concept of "normative acts" includes laws, then how can you even discuss the topic of lawmaking? :))) You yourself have admitted, forgive me, complete ... ignorance of the subject that you undertake to discuss.
                        For reference: Regulatory acts, depending on their legal force, can be divided into two groups of groups: laws and by-laws. What is this, look for yourself ... :)))
                        So, I will not say that you have misunderstood, since you, according to your words, "dull", I will say that you have not understood anything. :)))
                        4. And the last. I did not develop commercial projects, but I am able to plan taking control and restoring order in the village. The NORMATIVE ACTS indicated by me above could well have been worked out in a short time even without the help of specialists from Russia, and assistance would have been provided if applied. Yes, they would be temporary, and subsequently would be changed, but they should have been, at least some.
                        And stop chattering the topic you raised, ask questions, start finally smashing every sentence in my first comment you didn’t like. He is there. upstairs and not gone anywhere. I REPEAT. START FINALLY AS HAVE PROMISED TO BRAKE EVERY OFFER IN MY FIRST COMMENT. :))) Is it clear now? :))) The polemic does not make sense; you don’t say anything about the case. So I'm really lazy. I even read your dodges laziness. And you are too lazy to answer. Honestly. :))) If the Donetsk authorities work the same way as you do - scribble a lot of empty comments instead of one crushing one, then I'm not surprised that there is a mess.
                        Oh yes, you can’t return to the topic of what I am intolerant and ill-mannered :))) - I agree. You can at least calm down in this regard. :)))
        2. dkflbvbh
          dkflbvbh 17 May 2014 18: 01
          +1
          I agree + 100 ...
      2. washi
        washi 17 May 2014 14: 20
        -2
        Quote: 1812 1945
        And with all that - officials, the entire administrative apparatus has not gone anywhere

        And they obey the local oligarchs, i.e. Kiev authorities.
        Salvage to lose?
        Are you, personally, ready to lose your "earned" money for the sake of a "bright" future?
        This can be done by the "proletariat", which has nothing to lose and some of the "commoners" who accidentally (without acquaintances) entered the power structures (or because of their stupidity (they penetrated by acquaintance) have not yet been dismissed) and who want to establish themselves in them for more high positions.
        Read the works of Lenin and Stalin.
        Everything is written there.
    2. raptor1975
      raptor1975 17 May 2014 12: 28
      -1
      They lack a leader like Che Guevara -that it was a leader
      1. iConst
        iConst 17 May 2014 14: 29
        +1
        Quote: raptor1975
        They lack a leader like Che Guevara -that it was a leader

        Comrade Che is a romanticized person. Fanatically devoted to the idea of ​​the World Socialist Revolution. He was essentially an action movie.
        1. dkflbvbh
          dkflbvbh 17 May 2014 18: 05
          0
          And who is there now? Without real institutions of power - ordinary militants.
          And in general, if these are sovereign states, then what kind of anti-terrorist operation from Kiev are we talking about? All the media of agitation should have long shouted about aggression against independent sovereign states, and not rolled down the old rails.
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  2. older
    older 17 May 2014 07: 30
    +18
    Quote: andrewvlg
    The population has not made savings in hryvnias for a long time.

    You did not understand the essence of the article. The conversation is not so much about the financial system as about government bodies. The state cannot exist only on slogans and a patriotic mood.
    This has been repeatedly written about, repeatedly spoken about ... Having said that, one must always call the following letters from the alphabet ... Otherwise, this is not the alphabet, but the babble of the baby ...
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg 17 May 2014 07: 39
      +9
      To this day, the main task of the DPR and LPR to defend its existence in a fierce struggle against punitive. Under bullets and shelling, it’s not very comfortable to equip a peaceful life.
      Moreover, given the rapid degradation of Ukraine, other entities may join these republics.
      Of course, it will be difficult, but Ukraine, despite the stormy activity of the junta, is clearly degrading faster.
      Abkhazia and Ossetia withstood, why cannot D and LPR?
      Now it all depends on the outcome of hostilities.
      By the way, why does the article mention "wise Akhmetov"? Another order?
      1. domokl
        domokl 17 May 2014 08: 21
        +10
        Quote: andrewvlg
        To this day, the main task of the DPR and LPR to defend its existence in a brutal struggle against punitive

        And who said that this task is not relevant? It’s relevant ... Just what’s next? Indeed, building a state and building a battle are two different things. The DPR manages the military task. And the rest? We need to work in all directions. Let’s shooters, but the rest should deal with the economy, and food, and pensions, and medicines ... Yes, all that people live ... Even, excuse me, sewage ...
      2. dzen123
        dzen123 17 May 2014 13: 57
        -1
        Sorry, but all these co-chairs, rear and others, are not participating in the fierce struggle at the front line.

        Question: what do they do, except post on Twitter and promote?

        Is it really so difficult to really get down to legislative registration and approval of theses, confirmed by the referendum? Don't have time and brains to create your own Constitution? Take the Russian one as a basis. And so on, especially since these two republics are already "soaping up" into Russia.

        I sincerely admire the residents of Donbass and the "steel Russians" Strelka, BUT I know very well that the work on creating state legislation is a necessary and hellish work.

        If it's simpler, then I'm leading to what: if you take hold of your chest - say something, but you won't say - they will take it by the "personal belongings" and shake everything out. So it is here.
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 17 May 2014 07: 47
      +5
      The author of the article is right very slowly, it can be said criminally slowly developing events to strengthen the People's Republics of Donbass and the Luhansk region.
      What slows down: inexperience, and who had it during the acute political periods of the struggle, the struggle for power, or vice versa the lack of political leaders?
      What prevents the acceleration of work on the creation of a united Republic of New Russia, its Army, power structures capable of protecting the people and the new state from the Nazis of Bandera?
      There is no quick movement forward, and this is the death of the People's Republics.
      On May 25, a week later, the "legitimate" elected President of Ukraine will take office and a new round of intense struggle with the South-East will begin and then it will be difficult to defend their sovereignty and freedom from the Nazis.
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 17 May 2014 09: 01
        +8
        Quote: vladimirZ
        The author of the article is right very slowly, it can be said criminally slowly developing events to strengthen the People's Republics of Donbass and the Luhansk region.

        Yes, is everything too fast with the author? How much time has passed since the referendum?
        So far, almost all the efforts of the leaders of the DPR are aimed at the armed struggle for their independence. Create your own institutions of power! Establish trade and economic ties! Create your own payment system and currency! Yes it is necessary, but this again requires large cash loans, and who decides to give them to a newly-minted country in which it is still unknown how it will end ???
        Some do not recognize and try to destroy!
        Others are waiting for how it will all end and are trying not to make sudden movements, only humanitarian aid is at best for now! Here is such a vicious circle. On the other hand, to accept the "values" of the Kiev junta? The Russian-speaking population already well understands how everything will end for them!
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 17 May 2014 13: 02
          -2
          Quote: Arberes
          Quote: vladimirZ
          The author of the article is right very slowly, it can be said criminally slowly developing events to strengthen the People's Republics of Donbass and the Luhansk region.

          ... again, big cash loans are needed, and who will decide to give them to a newly-made country in which it is still unknown how it will end ???
          ...

          And who gave loans to the Bolsheviks after October 1917?
          And, nevertheless, they succeeded. Under a lying stone, water will not flow. It’s better to forget about loans for a long time, first you need to prove that it’s worth giving loans.
    3. Penzyac
      Penzyac 17 May 2014 12: 48
      +1
      Quote: older
      Quote: andrewvlg
      The population has not made savings in hryvnias for a long time.

      You did not understand the essence of the article. The conversation is not so much about the financial system as about government bodies. The state cannot exist only on slogans and a patriotic mood.
      This has been repeatedly written about, repeatedly spoken about ...

      You and the author of the article are absolutely right. One can remind critics that one of the first works of Lenin after the Bolsheviks came to power was State and Revolution. Lenin well understood the importance of state building. By the way, one of the first Bolsheviks took control of banks and ministries.
      Romance is good, especially revolutionary, and then what? And then life is a difficult thing ...
      As the classic said: "Learn, learn and learn!" ...
    4. iConst
      iConst 17 May 2014 14: 47
      0
      Quote: older
      Quote: andrewvlg
      The population has not made savings in hryvnias for a long time.

      You did not understand the essence of the article. The conversation is not so much about the financial system as about government bodies. The state cannot exist only on slogans and a patriotic mood.
      This has been repeatedly written about, repeatedly spoken about ... Having said that, one must always call the following letters from the alphabet ... Otherwise, this is not the alphabet, but the babble of the baby ...

      And you fell for the theme: "Chef, everything is gone! ..." (c).
      Where did all the district authorities go?
      Right - nowhere. And they continue to work. The same functions, only additional ones appeared - at the level of state institutions. Yes there is a field for work - so what? Alarmists.
      It remains to introduce the new Constitution of the DPR.

      And here the main problems are not technical - apparatuses, experience, etc. crap (advisers click - two fingers on the asphalt) - the problem of political confrontation with (now) the metropolis.
  3. Ujin61
    Ujin61 17 May 2014 10: 08
    +6
    The author should ask what they use for cash payments in Abkhazia. South Ossetia. Transnistrian Republic.
    1. smile
      smile 17 May 2014 12: 55
      +1
      Ujin61
      One Donetsk region exceeds all the republics you have listed as a population ... it’s at times more difficult to establish supplies and at least the way of life ... I don’t need to continue any further ... and Georgian border guards do not guard the borders of Abkhazia and Ossetia .. .
  • ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 17 May 2014 07: 24
    +9
    Yes, professionals are needed in the administration of the Republic, I agree and we need to deal with the economy now, I think everything will be in order.
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  • Mns2a40
    Mns2a40 17 May 2014 07: 26
    +7
    As one of the heroes of the film "Wedding in Malinovka" said - "Don't rush! - Everything will be in due time." So then, talitko!
    1. older
      older 17 May 2014 07: 34
      +6
      Quote: MNS2a40
      - Do not rush! - Everything will be in due time.

      Only here a person’s body is somehow not so arranged ... In addition to slogans, he also needs to eat, drink, sleep ... Banks can be blocked by adult maydaunas and what? It is necessary to hurry. It is necessary to protect yourself from the junta not only militarily (this just the easiest), but also economically.
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 17 May 2014 13: 08
      +3
      Quote: MNS2a40
      As one of the heroes of the film "Wedding in Malinovka" said - "Don't rush! - Everything will be in due time." So then, talitko!

      By the way, Papandopulo in "The Wedding in Malinovka" illustrates well and clearly the actions of the Central Bank of Ukraine and the US Federal Reserve System in relation to money: "I will draw another picture for myself." smile
  • strenadk
    strenadk 17 May 2014 07: 28
    +7
    Well, not in five days everything is done, after the October Revolution, the Soviet economic system began to be created in the early thirties, despite the fact that they were surrounded by enemies, but there are friends nearby who are ready to help "not by military" methods ...
    1. anfil
      17 May 2014 08: 51
      +4
      Well, not yesterday, they decided on independence and maybe not even this year! And even then some developments should have been thought out.
      And do not compare with the October Revolution, after which the Red Terror was both dispossession and peasant riots. As in the song: - "... We will destroy the old world to the ground, and then, we ours, we will build a new world ...", I think people who voted in the referendum clearly did not want a post-revolutionary situation.

      Although something is already being done:

      The Cabinet of Ministers was formed in the People’s Republic of Donetsk on 16 in May. Representatives of the self-proclaimed state unanimously voted for Igor Strelkov's candidacy for the post of Minister of Defense.
      The head of the self-proclaimed government of the DPR was Alexander Boroday. According to representatives of the new government, he has already begun to prepare negotiations on the republic’s accession to one of the states.

      Boroday will become an official and representative of the republic, who will be able to speak at the diplomatic level and prepare a request for the republic to join one of the states.

      The first vice-premier of the republic was appointed one of the leaders of the Donetsk militia - Andrei Purgin. Vladimir Podgorny became Minister of Economic Development, and Denis Pushilin became Chairman of the Parliament and Speaker of the Supreme Council.

      At the meeting, leaders also discussed economic issues. Kiev continues to pay salaries and pensions to the residents of the southeast, and now it is necessary to think about how to convert funds and refuse to pay the Ukrainian authorities.
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    3. Eragon
      Eragon 17 May 2014 10: 41
      +2
      Well, you, dear, and compared !!!
    4. Favor
      Favor 17 May 2014 13: 08
      +3
      Agree. By the way, people are working. Community support is also very important. There is no turning back.
    5. Penzyac
      Penzyac 17 May 2014 13: 21
      +2
      Quote: strenadk
      Well, not in five days everything is done, after the October Revolution, the Soviet economic system began to be created in the early thirties, despite the fact that they were surrounded by enemies, but there are friends nearby who are ready to help "not by military" methods ...

      Yes, the economic system was not created right away, but the banks were one of the first, after using the telephone and telegraph, and in the DPR they allow TV towers to control the maydauns, for example, on Mount Karachun. They must be knocked out of there urgently: to surround, block the delivery of food and sniper fire, as well as to fire from mortars. They won’t last long there, they will surrender themselves.
      And with banks, in general, some kind of idealism, no one touches their finger, even with overt sabotage, the mind is incomprehensible ...
  • tokin1959
    tokin1959 17 May 2014 07: 29
    +2
    Yes, nichrome, absolutely no shit. Is there clear authority? No


    Move on. Do these guys have a financial system?


    the author wants everything at once - they announced a new state. education - and immediately, in one second - the currency, the army, the police, the constitution, laws, prisons - this does not happen.
    men, having no experience in creating a state - nevertheless, are building it.
    Do you know how to create a new state in a second? unlikely.
    and no one knows.
    states are created months and years and with the support of other states.
    especially in war.
    so to you, the author is a minus.
    it’s very convenient to give advice from the sofa.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 17 May 2014 07: 39
      +11
      Read the history of the USSR, even Lenin wrote what needs to be done in the first place, it’s not so much and not so difficult, but it is necessary and urgent.
    2. Poldol
      Poldol 17 May 2014 09: 04
      +5
      Totally agree with you. Everything is done quickly. There is independence. There is already a constitution. The structure of power is determined - a parliamentary republic. There are ministries and departments, all key managers are appointed (or elected). It is simply impossible to reassign all the security forces, the courts and the prosecutor’s office, as well as to create your own national bank in five (!!!) days.
      Ukraine hasn’t died yet;
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 17 May 2014 09: 22
        +4
        Quote: PolDol
        Totally agree with you. Everything is done quickly. There is independence. There is already a constitution. The structure of power is determined - a parliamentary republic. There are ministries and departments, all key managers are appointed (or elected). It is simply impossible to reassign all the security forces, the courts and the prosecutor’s office, as well as to create your own national bank in five (!!!) days.
        Ukraine hasn’t died yet;

        Imagine that all communication is still under the control of Kiev, banks too, energy and water supply, that's all. The militia is controlled only by administrative buildings, which in themselves do not play any role. The fact that the ministers were chosen is not so urgent. At this stage, the ministers will only interfere and slow down, given that officials are also easily outbid.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 17 May 2014 09: 28
        +6
        Quote: PolDol
        Everything is done quickly.

        Yes, they work there 24 hours a day! And by the way, they are not so wrong about taxes, especially in light of the fact that Kiev informed the Donetsk and Lugansk regions that social programs for them will not be implemented, i.e. surcharges for small children, low-income people and more. They want to cause a riot from within!
        Incidentally, "Earlier, the metallurgical plants of the Metinvest group, which is part of the assets of Rinat Akhmetov, signed a memorandum with the leadership of the DPR," the company's website reports.
        The memorandum enshrines joint initiatives to ensure public safety in Mariupol and proposals to the Kiev authorities.
        The memorandum calls for restoring peace in Mariupol, ensuring the stable operation of industrial and municipal enterprises. The parties undertake to support the work of the people's squad and the police in the fight against looting and hooliganism. The parties call for a complete renunciation of violence and the disarmament of any armed groups. The order at the entrances to Mariupol should be provided by the city police with the support of the people's squad, the document says.
        Commenting on the signing, the head of the city headquarters of the people's squad Yuri Zinchenko noted: “Our main goal is to return peace and order to Mariupol. We have already done a lot for this. We made the troops leave the city. We restored the normal work of the city police and raised the inhabitants to create a people's squad. Among the signatories of the Memorandum are people who have different and even opposite political views and beliefs. But we are united by love for Mariupol and a desire to prevent bloodshed in Mariupol. ”
        XXXX
        DO THE MAXIMUM EVERYTHING YOU CAN, EVEN MORE AND UNDER SHOT!
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 17 May 2014 07: 38
    +7
    In fact, everything is true if you made a revolution, created a republic, the very first thing you had to do was take control of communications, (all telecommunications), banks, water and gas supply, create an army (or initially just armed groups), take control border with Russia. And only after all, create a government and approve the constitution and laws. Nothing has been done for today. In fact, the DNI is hanging by a thread.
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg 17 May 2014 07: 44
      +8
      Quote: vladsolo56
      And only after all, create a government and approve the constitution and laws.

      Who will "seize communications", water and gas supply, control over the border, if there is no government? You contradict yourself.
      Quote: vladsolo56
      In fact, the DNI is hanging by a thread.

      Stop escalating the tension! Even if the DPR threatens, it is, first and foremost, the evil forces, the SBU, and the punitive actions that they perpetrated.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 17 May 2014 09: 15
        +4
        Quote: andrewvlg
        Who will "seize communications", water and gas supply, control over the border, if there is no government? You contradict yourself.

        Do you think that officials with machine guns should capture all structures? An interesting position, I imagine how it will all look.
        Quote: andrewvlg
        Stop escalating the tension! Even if the DPR threatens, it is, first and foremost, the evil forces, the SBU, and the punitive actions that they perpetrated.

        If you do not take urgent measures, then at least escalate, at least do not escalate. It’s as clear as twice two.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 17 May 2014 10: 49
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      the very first thing that had to be done was to take control of communications, (all telecommunications), banks, water and gas supply, create an army (or initially just armed forces), take control of the border with Russia.

      Can you talk? lol
  • nvv
    nvv 17 May 2014 07: 39
    +4
    Information for consideration. At first, the speech cuts the ears. You get used to it further.
  • 14evgen
    14evgen 17 May 2014 07: 50
    +3
    The author is right that Donetsk and Lugansk need to move on. But in war conditions it is very difficult. Everyone can criticize, but no one wants to take responsibility and offer their help in overcoming this situation.
  • saag
    saag 17 May 2014 07: 51
    +3
    Quote: andrewvlg
    ! Even if the DPR threatens, it is, first and foremost, the evil forces, the SBU, and the punitive actions that they perpetrated.

    It just doesn’t really threaten them, but the lack of a financial system as the basis of the state can wreak such chaos
  • bugaev2005
    bugaev2005 17 May 2014 07: 56
    +7
    The article is true in essence! But it seems to me that the author and we are all here, do not have all the information about what is happening behind the scenes of the DPR. Perhaps the work that the author writes about is still carried out where it is needed and by those who need it wink Something like this. The article is certainly a huge plus!
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  • Agent 008
    Agent 008 17 May 2014 08: 28
    0
    As I understand it, the author has nothing to offer except for "horseradish" to the DPR authorities, while praising Akhmetov ... Big minus for him for undisguised gloating ...
    1. anfil
      17 May 2014 08: 56
      +1
      Yes, the author does not praise Akhmetov, but says that the tax must be paid in accordance with the law. Or do you propose to make an additional reconnaissance to support the army of thousands of volunteers?
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 17 May 2014 13: 36
        0
        Quote: anfil
        Yes, the author does not praise Akhmetov, but says that the tax must be paid in accordance with the law. Or do you propose to make an additional reconnaissance to support the army of thousands of volunteers?

        Food surplus - style of the Maidan, try not to give, in the spirit of the invaders.
  • Kite
    Kite 17 May 2014 08: 33
    +3
    Well, why did you have to list the difficulties and problems that arise in all states (not only during the formation period) ?? repeat The states are trying to keep the junta in an upright position, but this @ hellish construction is not worth it, neither the "designers" nor the "foremen" have brains.
    The Donetsk people just got down to business, they know the problems, they know how to solve and do, and there is someone to get real help from.
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 May 2014 08: 34
    +6
    I think that the author got excited and rushed to conclusions. The author believes that it was necessary to declare a referendum and the independence of the regions, when the government, parliament, ministries, justice, prosecutor's office, courts and sobering-up station have already been formed. Banks, border posts, customs points, foreign diplomatic representations, radio television centers, advertising agencies, paid toilets. Banknotes, passports, traffic police certificates about fines were issued. After that, announce about statehood! And how can we do without the attributes of statehood? Maybe it would be good to do this, but the "federalists" did not have time for this, and the Kiev junta would have allowed it to be done (they say, calmly create state bodies, while we’ll smoke on the sidelines)? In 1917-18, the Bolsheviks declared their statehood, and then they began to create these very ... attributes. And in the early 90s, the republics of the former USSR? The referendum was necessary to find out the degree of support of the population for "federalists" and the idea of ​​federalism. The referendum gave an answer to the question: is it necessary, in general, to declare the DPR and LPR? Positive for the "federalists" the results of the referendum (huge population support for the idea of ​​federalism) allow the leaders of South -The East is now much more active and decisive: martial law has been declared, for example, which allows the resistance movement to more actively and decisively form the army and other necessary organs of statehood. It is not worth now to declare the leaders of the South-East an Internet generation capable only of "wetting" monsters in virtual world. They still have not had time to create what the author of the article wants, because it takes enough time; but they are "trying." "Martial law" is a necessary and timely step, indicating that there are smart people in the Southeast and experienced leaders. Let's wait, then we'll see who is right; is it worth calling the leaders of the DPR / LPR smart and experienced.
  • X Y Z
    X Y Z 17 May 2014 08: 47
    +3
    The author poses the right questions and expresses concern. But there is already world experience that can be fully used. Take, for example, Montenegro, which lived at the turn of the century, having the German mark as its currency. However, she, of course, had no way to produce emissions or to control anything.
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 17 May 2014 08: 56
    +2
    from the Don.
    The author is well done! He has set the right accents. With a wave to wave, don’t steer the state!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 May 2014 10: 27
      +1
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      Pros are needed, albeit from the side. You can’t do without them!

      So they included the pros in the Council! It was reported that due to the need for pros in the leadership of the republic, the Council had to expand to 150 people. Do people do!
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 17 May 2014 08: 56
    +1
    I agree 100%. Cases are not just words. All proclaim themselves. As the game pressed the button to create a tribe and the oppa is already the governor. These mayors and governors do not rule anything. Ministerial portfolios have already been divided, but where are you? I already said: to create a unified administration of Donetsk-Lugansk, to take real power not from the Internet and life news, but really manage the cities. Everything is said correctly about the banking sector, banks are worse than automatic machines.
  • komrad.klim
    komrad.klim 17 May 2014 09: 04
    +4
    DNR is the emergence of state. education from below, so for now we do not see a package of actions for a full-fledged modern public education.
  • buzer
    buzer 17 May 2014 09: 14
    +3
    "everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the outside." After the referendums in Donetsk and Lugansk, a week has not passed yet, and the author is already demanding the creation of a full-fledged state. If Ukraine has not become a full-fledged state in 23 years, then what can you demand from its former regions in one incomplete week ??? Professionalism is certainly a good thing, but the most important thing is desire !!! One undergraduate seminarian once created a superpower "by taking it with a plow and leaving it with an atomic bomb." The main thing now for the newly formed republics is that their leadership be and remain realistic. Think more about your interests and less about world politics. World politics can only be afforded by the world powers, because it requires large expenses. The example of Ukraine is obvious! I got into the games of world leaders and fell apart ...
  • komrad.klim
    komrad.klim 17 May 2014 09: 15
    +1
    THERE IS INFORMATION!!!
    "Interesting data comes from hospitals where wounded soldiers of the army, the National Guard and the Right Sector are accommodated. New surgeons have appeared in these institutions, most of them are foreigners. But the main oddity is that they deal with seriously wounded representatives of the National Guard and the PS, do dopanalysis, which is not necessary for the treatment of these injuries and for "treatment" many are sent to Kiev and Dnepropetrovsk, while completely removing the accompanying documentation. "Treatment" in quotes, because in telephone conversations and among themselves they mention good specific organs of that or another victim. Apparently, the knowledge of English and Latin by the local staff, up to the nurses, was not conveyed to them in full, "the text says.

    In particular, the authors give an example that several representatives of the "Right Sector" injured in the clashes never made it to the designated clinic in Kiev.

    http://www.nakanune.ru/news/2014/5/16/22353012
  • blizart
    blizart 17 May 2014 09: 15
    +1
    Nothing, they will still take over all the experience of building a state in extreme conditions. New business, right business!
  • B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 17 May 2014 09: 21
    +1
    Article minus: 1. After the referendum, 6 days have passed, during which time even half of the author’s enumeration can be done, it is simply unrealistic, especially in the conditions of declared martial law.
    2. The author has specific, 100% information that the search for professionals is not conducted and the guys are not working on creating laws ?!
    3. I do not know how anyone, well, I didn’t really like the last 2 paragraphs, as well as the mention of Akhmetov.
    My subjective opinion is that the article is dominated not by a desire to help, but by a certain amount of gloating.
  • Hey
    Hey 17 May 2014 09: 25
    +3
    For 23 years, Ukraine has not denounced its borders and nothing existed, and the DPR is only a week old and you want everything at once. Take Russia tighter, every year the Duma creates a thousand laws, but questions are still not measured.
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    2. creak
      creak 17 May 2014 09: 55
      +1
      Quote: MUD
      For 23 years Ukraine has not denounced its borders and there was nothing


      Of course, she did not denounce them, because AGREEMENTS AND AGREEMENTS DENOUNCE, and DEMARKATION is carried out at the borders. hi
  • sv68
    sv68 17 May 2014 09: 26
    0
    the author-puncher and the mishandled cossack of ah-metov whom he also propiarized. You can argue hoarsely, but even in Donetsk they realize that the proclamation of an independent republic is only the beginning of a long way to creating a real albeit unrecognized state. People who came to power directly said that they more warriors than politicians. we need highly professional lawyers to create a basic package of laws and acts on the establishment, creation and control of the work of all government structures at all levels of government. ask any lawyer and he will tell you that there is a huge difference between just an order and the legislative base. the road will be overpowered by the success of Donbass residents in the formation of statehood
  • skylare
    skylare 17 May 2014 09: 49
    +2
    Before "placing pegs on the borders", you must first liberate the territory and strengthen the borders. Apparently, the author needs everything at once, but this never happens. Article minus.
    1. saag
      saag 17 May 2014 11: 15
      0
      Doesn’t it happen? Vaughn in the Crimea took and went to the Isthmus in the first place to keep the border, and as it turned out it was a vital decision
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought 17 May 2014 09: 55
    +1
    Something all in dark colors. It must be reminded to the author that the Soviet Republic, too, at the beginning of its journey, used kerenki and katerinka, as they say, not all at once. The road will be overpowered by the one who walks, let our brothers continue their struggle for freedom, and the holy duty of Russia to render all possible assistance.
  • mig31
    mig31 17 May 2014 09: 56
    +2
    Bistro-bistro does not work, to build a house in a month, that would repair it for decades!?.
  • A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 17 May 2014 09: 58
    0
    So that it’s not time for Russia to approach all of this, it’s time to send, on a voluntary basis, specialists in public service professionals, we don’t have enough of them to sit and wipe our pants and sleep while working in the State Duma. and SE help.
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren 17 May 2014 13: 11
      0
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      unless we have them sitting and trousers wiped and sleep while working


      Do you want them to wipe their pants there?
    2. ar-ren
      ar-ren 17 May 2014 13: 11
      0
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      unless we have them sitting and trousers wiped and sleep while working


      Do you want them to wipe their pants there?
  • Tourist
    Tourist 17 May 2014 10: 04
    +2
    But simply put, Russia will not do this in relation to an unrecognized state, which means, again, welcome to subsistence farming.
    I didn’t read further, since the fact that the affter was scammed enough for the full course of the psychiatric hospital.
    Apparently, people have never been to either Abkhazia or South Ossetia during the period when they were called "unrecognized republics", otherwise they would have known that their economy was built on the ruble, not lari.
  • Eragon
    Eragon 17 May 2014 10: 42
    +1
    Quote: strenadk
    after the October revolution

    Well, you, dear, and compared !!!
  • Eragon
    Eragon 17 May 2014 10: 48
    +2
    The author is right in many ways. But in my opinion it is necessary to approach a little from the other side. First of all, to form a strong political power. Kind of like Aksyonov, when he clearly said: "I reassign everything to myself. Don't follow Kiev's orders." And did. Then Akhmetov and other businessmen may well believe the new government. And they have enough specialists to solve both credit and financial issues and tie-untie economic knots. But, here, there are no strong political steps on the part of the DPR leadership. Slogans, declarations, but in real life - zilch. I hope so far.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 17 May 2014 12: 09
      0
      Quote: Eragon
      The author is right in many ways. But in my opinion it is necessary to approach a little from the other side. First of all, to form a strong political power. Kind of like Aksyonov, when he clearly said: "I reassign everything to myself. Don't follow Kiev's orders." And did. Then Akhmetov and other businessmen may well believe the new government. And they have enough specialists to solve both credit and financial issues and tie-untie economic knots. But, here, there are no strong political steps on the part of the DPR leadership. Slogans, declarations, but in real life - zilch. I hope so far.

      Aksenov stood behind the fifteen thousandth Black Sea base of the Russian Federation. And the DNI on their own. There is nothing to talk about until Kiev is thrown out of the region and full military-police control is established over the region.
  • Deff
    Deff 17 May 2014 11: 04
    0
    At the expense of professionals, the author is right. But now it’s enough to have a political bloc of Lugansk and Donetsk and a consolidated group of negotiators who will represent their interests in the negotiations. For the first negotiation process. If there is no process, then this is a continuation of the civil war. And what are the boundaries in the war? And what are the different currencies?
    But you need to prepare
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 17 May 2014 12: 07
      +1
      And what to talk about and with whom if the Junta does not want to? Another point is the dissenting opinions of Kiev and the DPR. and spilled blood interferes.
  • Irokez
    Irokez 17 May 2014 11: 54
    0
    The author forgot that there are Tsarev and who is who, and he knows very well what and how everything works or is organized. Moreover, he was nominated for president in Ukraine. Right now, a tough military administration where mostly personal orders. Organize the controls and then everything will roll on the rise. And the monetary system can be temporarily in the form of the Ruble-Dollar-Euro (they are tied according to the exchange rate), because they are more stable in the world, and you can definitely get rid of Hryvnia as unacceptable already.
    The article catches up fears that are not.
    1. anfil
      17 May 2014 13: 25
      0
      The author forgot that there are Tsarev and who is who, and he knows very well what and how everything works or is organized. Moreover, he was nominated for president in Ukraine.

      Darth Vader was also nominated belay
  • Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 17 May 2014 12: 01
    +1
    I have a suspicion that here it is, the Internet generation has reached the authorities, and does not know what to do.

    DNI, UNTIL LATE, SEEK PROFESSIONALS, AND OTHERWISE YOU WILL BE AWAYED BY A SOON AND INevitable collapse, WITH ALL EXTENDING!

    With all the abstraction from the real situation in the DPR, the call is correct.

    There are fights, there will be many more wars. It is not obvious that Russia will not have to disentangle all this ...

    BUT, if only for the sake of consolidating society, it is necessary to create authorities from professionals of different ages and social groups, to introduce these bodies into the course of affairs, at least in the monitoring mode, so that later, when the military component fades into the background. seize leadership initiative with minimal losses for the people.
    So that there are specialists who are ready to provide goods, electricity, the rule of law in cities and at the borders, money supply and payments, communications, and, of course, adequately represent the DPR at all kinds of protocol events.

    There will be many problems, so that every specialist will be able to get the job done and careeristic suspicions are inappropriate here.
    The only thing that must not be allowed is the penetration of real enemies into the authorities. But here already from far away it is impossible to give advice. Only the natural instinct of the first person can prevent betrayal in the highest echelons of power.

    To the same.
    My greatest joy about Crimea now, when the first emotions had already left, was that no bastard was able to warn the enemy about intentions and preparations for the operation in Crimea. So around VV Putin and S.K. Shoigu gathered patriots.
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren 17 May 2014 13: 12
      -6
      There are no normal specialists in Russia in any issue.
  • parus2nik
    parus2nik 17 May 2014 12: 04
    +1
    Of course, an insane idea, but what prevents the PMR, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, the DPR, LPR from creating a union state on the conditions of a confederation ..?
  • ed65b
    ed65b 17 May 2014 12: 06
    +1
    And what the author would like that in the conditions of war, the DPR in two days formed the state. apparatus? the guys did the most important thing, they held a referendum, they determined, according to the will of the people, their future by armed means, defend their right to independence. An example of Ossetia and Abkhazia, even though not recognized by Transnistria, Karabakh, does not tell the author about anything? In Transnistria, like the ruble goes and there is no Russian regulator there. Ahmedka, too, was given an ultimatum in time for him to lose the means of production like death, so let him strain to help. His DND created in Mariupol will not help him late to create a private army on the territory of the DNR. The militia will not give. And managers "professionals" will come and be found. not all at once, but there will be devils out of the snuffbox. Why doesn't the DPR leadership want to involve the old cadres in full force for work? Because the bureaucratic apparatus of the previous regime has been eaten through by corruption.
  • Arct
    Arct 17 May 2014 12: 15
    +1
    An author or provocateur or not far off. Instead of an empty mass of words, let him give examples from history. Where the following is said in black and white: in a week, government and public services bodies have been formed and are successfully functioning. And examples of not intercepting ready-made power, namely, formed from scratch. If he cannot do this, then the whole price of his article is 0 rubles and 0 kopecks.
  • Dadasi
    Dadasi 17 May 2014 12: 40
    +1
    One more "strategist! ......... It takes time, at least 2-3 months to create the main attributes of the state. Unfortunately, they do not have Aladin's lamp ..
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 17 May 2014 12: 41
    0
    That a fellow student wrote an article, PROFESSIONAL, so who is stopping you from raising your intellectual architect and going to help people, a weak talker
    1. anfil
      17 May 2014 13: 30
      0
      That a fellow student wrote an article, PROFESSIONAL, so who is stopping you from raising your intellectual architect and going to help people, a weak talker


      And this is the end of the article:
      So, as I said a month ago, when I tried to enter the leadership of the then informal DNR, to offer my help,


      And if you follow the link where the article was taken from, the author answers the questions asked:

      I do not know. God grant. Well, I don’t write because I want bad, but precisely because my soul hurts my brothers, I want their struggle not to be wasted in vain. It’s just that economics and other sciences are ruthless, we must reckon with them. I do not want all efforts to be wasted.

      And you need to understand that all this is very boring. It is not interesting to read about them. Yes, this is not as exciting as reading about the roadblocks taken. It's boring to read about cow's milk yields. But only when schools and kindergartens are left without milk will it be sad.
  • suharev-52
    suharev-52 17 May 2014 12: 48
    +1
    The author tried to convey to us that a legislative base is necessary for the further formation of the republic. Yes, it is currently a very difficult period. And most likely we don’t know much. You won’t see paper work right away. So do not argue. I hope that the results will be. Sincerely.
  • jovanni
    jovanni 17 May 2014 12: 49
    +1
    "Bolotovs, Gubarevs, Strelkovs, who else is there, have they made at least one state decision?"

    Accepted! both state and moral. THEY REALLY STAND ON THE WAY OF NAZISM!
  • Cristall
    Cristall 17 May 2014 13: 12
    0
    Yes, it’s difficult for them all at once. However, they said that the referendum is not feasible or will fail.
    The date of May 25 is dangerous ... The president of all 51 states of USA will move everything ... "Living in a new way" is proposing ..
  • shelva
    shelva 17 May 2014 13: 51
    0
    When a state with all the necessary infrastructure is formed, then these issues will be resolved - not earlier. And now - the inevitable difficult period of formation.
  • iConst
    iConst 17 May 2014 14: 01
    0
    ... and lower some super optimists from heaven to sinful earth.

    The word would be more appropriate here. pull down.
  • Victoria 1980
    Victoria 1980 17 May 2014 14: 03
    +3
    Without the help of Russia, there can be no talk of any future of the DPR and LPR. It is clear that all of them will eventually be killed. They don't have the weapons they need. And no one will negotiate with them. They will be sent to the slaughter and then shown to us in mourning on TV so that we powerlessly swallow tears. This is how Russia will seek federalization of Ukraine. And it is probably "bad manners" to deal with the militias of the Russian authorities.
  • iConst
    iConst 17 May 2014 14: 22
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    ...Even stupid Yatsenyuki with the Turchinovs (which, in fact, not by a head, but by orders of magnitude higher DNR guides on understanding processes and management, as we see, are managing enlist support, receive loans, create internally and externally economic connection and more. ...

    After this phrase (I would call it ruder) skepticism to the article turned into hostility.
    Here the author generally wrapped up such that I doubt - he himself understood what he said? It is also interesting about "many other things".

    What is the author based on when making such conclusions? Both regarding the "height (?) Of flight" of the junta, and regarding the administrative "mediocrity" of the breakaway regions.

    It was also amusing "I wonder, I can imagine how the USSR used Reichmarks in 1941-1945."
    Yes Easy. And the Reichsmark was abolished, first of all, for propaganda reasons, and secondly, for administrative reasons: an economic lever, so to speak. And that's it! How to print "your" money for a big country is not a cheap job.

    Well, the hryvnia will go - what is it? Another thing, if it rolls down, it will be uncomfortable. I don’t know how it is now, but relatively recently Russian rubles were like native rubles in Belarus - even sometimes they were more willing to take them.

    To the author - non-respect for the groundlessness of theses (but I will not put a minus).
  • DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 17 May 2014 14: 24
    -1
    And the author of the article did not think, WHY in the DPR and Lugansk did not begin to create a separate financial system and to boundary the borders?
    Everything is very simple.
    No one there is interested in dividing Ukraine into fragmentation. This is only in the interests of the Americans and the European Union.
    And criticizing is certainly easier than fighting.
    minus the article ...
  • homosum20
    homosum20 17 May 2014 14: 32
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    Both the DPR and the Lugansk Republic are at war with superior (at least for today) enemy forces. War requires money. This is an axiom. How much is a machine gun shot? grenade launcher? Day of operations with food, equipment, etc. Without an economic and financial system, any sort of long-term hostilities are impossible. The author is absolutely right. Patriots also need to eat. It is necessary to eat their wives, children. Gotta get dressed. Go to school. To be treated. So it pays salaries to doctors, teachers, public transport drivers, road workers, pilots, stewardesses ....... The revolution can be strangled without tanks. Leaving her without money.
    Therefore - this, as grandfather Lenin used to say, is an overriding issue, comrades.
  • Signaller
    Signaller 17 May 2014 14: 41
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    Yesterday I was bombarded because of this, and today is an article. There was nothing, and today it is Altyn. Well, thank God. We are starting to think. So it's getting better.
    They need to read Lenin urgently. The program is maximum. How to maintain power and what to do.
    1. iConst
      iConst 17 May 2014 14: 54
      0
      Quote: Signaller
      There was nothing, and today Altyn

      It is better to stick to the original (A. Ostrovsky): "There was not a penny, but suddenly altyn." wink
    2. dkflbvbh
      dkflbvbh 17 May 2014 15: 51
      0
      So I expressed these thoughts at the beginning of the mess. How many crows and couch pseudo-patriots pecked me, and even now the author is not sweet from those who like to write one word "let's" with someone else's hands. And I repeated and repeat that this is just a bloody farce - a provocation in order to knock out the disobedient part of the population. A joke on the border of the Luhansk republic is detained by the border guards of the elected people's governor of the Luhansk region. What states are they talking about? While potsans from my city are pouring their blood in Slavyansk, gangs of Ukrainian nationalists are walking around the rest of Donetsk region without hindrance. The elected Voroshilovograd deputies on TV declare that they are for federal relations within Ukraine. what the hell was to declare independence? I don’t understand what negotiations are underway to unite Donbass into the Maloroski Republic? Whom to unite if there is no money, no economy, no borders?
      Both factories and mines worked on all kinds of Kolomli and work, where is the nationalization of the economic sector? Which should have been announced right away, what are they waiting for? Some questions and no answers.
      I have been asking these questions to fellow countrymen for a long time. no one can answer anything.
      In short, I completely agree with the author of the article.
      Farce is farce ...