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Friendship in Beijing



Beijing’s position on the Ukrainian-Crimean issue has become an important factor in both world politics and the most severe information war unfolding as part of this crisis.

In particular, the pro-Chinese lobby in Russia was very actively trying to prove that Beijing supported Moscow in this matter. The evidence cited история about how the representative of China in the UN Security Council during the voting on the "Crimean" resolution abstained, while smiling. It remained unclear why “abstinence” equals support and why we should be touched by the smile of a Chinese diplomat. However, the lobby was fulfilling the Peking order and propaganda in general — it is propaganda.

As for the real state of affairs, China found itself in a very difficult situation for itself. It is completely obvious that neither what happened in Kiev (the violent overthrow of legal authority), nor what happened in Crimea (loss of a part of its territory by the state) was unacceptable to him. In the first, China blames the West, in the second, Russia.

In addition, as a result of the current crisis, the interests of China in Ukraine and especially in the Crimea were under attack. In particular, the implementation of the project of the deep-water port in the west of Crimea. This causes a serious blow to the project of the New Silk Road and, if possible, the export of grain from Ukraine.

The “New Silk Road” is today one of the most important geopolitical projects of Beijing and is so openly anti-Russian in nature that even some representatives of the above-mentioned Pro-Chinese lobby in our country noted this.

It aims to finally and irrevocably “kill” the Transsib and the Northern Sea Route as Eurasian transit communications. The project envisages, in particular, the construction of a European gauge railway through Central Asia. The deep-water port in the area of ​​Evpatoria was considered as the most important node on the Silk Road. To return to the construction project of this port, China must officially recognize the fact that Crimea belongs to Russia, which is extremely difficult.

It is likely that at least the project with the lease of 3 million hectares of Ukrainian agricultural land, part of which fell on the Crimea, will be postponed. The fact of the existence of this project was strongly denied in Kiev (under Yanukovych), but it was not denied at all in Beijing. A unique feature of the project was that from the Chinese side, the Xinjiang Industrial Building Corps, which is a special component of the PLA (a kind of synthesis of the construction battalion and the Internal Troops), acted as the tenant. It is this structure that has at its disposal 5% of Ukrainian territory on the basis of extraterritoriality and with the possibility of renting additional space. In this regard, the Russian Internet version even appeared that for Moscow the most important goal of joining the Crimea was the destruction of all these Chinese projects.

CONVENIENT POSITION

Officially, Beijing on the Ukrainian-Crimean crisis did not charge anyone. Instead, he led his characteristic "peacemaking" rhetoric, which could be interpreted almost in any way and in any direction. So, regarding the situation in Ukraine, Chinese President Xi Jinping said that China has always adhered to "a fair and objective position." Beijing made its own proposals on this issue, suggesting the creation of an international coordination mechanism as soon as possible, and called on all interested parties not to take any action that could lead to a further deterioration of the situation. “China favors a constructive effort on the part of the international community to reduce tensions and welcomes any suggestions that can help find a political solution to this problem,” Xi Jinping said.

In the spirit of this position, there was a vote on the "Crimean" UN Security Council resolution 15 in March and on a similar UNGA resolution 27 in March: China abstained in both cases, not supporting either Russia or the West in this way. The interpretation of voting as support for Russia is absurd and contrary to common sense. Russia's support is a vote against resolutions. This is exactly what 27 did in March. 10 countries, China was not among them.

As a result, at the level of statements by officials, Beijing’s position turned out to be highly streamlined. To express a real position there is an English-language newspaper Global Times. It is not formally officialdom of the CPC, but it is precisely for this purpose that it is intended to convey to the outside audience the real position of Beijing on those issues on which he does not want to speak out officially.

Shortly after the referendum in Crimea, the Global Times published an article, the content of which is expressed in the following quote: “Unconditional support for Russian military aggression in Ukraine would not justify confidence in the time-tested diplomatic principle of China’s non-interference and would allow foreign powers to intervene in China’s internal affairs in its western regions, such as Xinjiang and Tibet, where ethnic tensions and separatist movements exist. China’s approval of secession of Crimea from Ukraine through a referendum would be hypocrisy, since China itself introduced in 2005 a law banning secession from the state. This law may allow the use of military force against Taiwan if it declares independence from China through a referendum or other official procedures. ”

As we see, Beijing has taken a frankly anti-Russian position. However, a few days later, another article appeared in the same Global Times, and an editorial, under the heading: "To support Russia is in the interests of China." Its essence is that “the Ukrainian question has long gone beyond the borders of the internal affairs of any country. ... Today, only Russia and China really form a strategic buffer for each other, making possible the revival of our states. If Russia, led by Putin, falls under the onslaught of the West, it will be a heavy blow to our strategic interests. ”

IF POWER IS VISIBLE

Of course, in a few days the position of the Chinese leadership could not change. But China was clearly afraid to speak directly against Russia. This would immediately destroy the so-called strategic partnership of Moscow and Beijing, leaving China alone in front of the West. In addition, during the Ukrainian crisis, Moscow demonstrated the presence of powerful modern armed forces and the readiness to use them, despite the risk of a big war. And from the point of view of military art, the Crimean operation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation can be considered a masterpiece. Undoubtedly, this made a strong impression on Beijing, which is best understood and appreciates precisely force. In this regard, the conflict with Russia is becoming even more unacceptable for China. Finally, the Chinese leadership could not fail to appreciate the fact that Russia ignored the opinion of the West, but it did not take any real measures against it not only of a military, but also of an economic nature. The so-called sanctions are blatant clowning, and the “NATO response” is just some kind of grotesque. Thus, here Russia demonstrated strength and won.

However, now it is important to further develop the situation, namely, to what extent Moscow is able to draw adequate conclusions from what happened. The main conclusion is that it is necessary to continue to demonstrate Beijing's strength, and not to make concessions to it. Moreover, for such concessions there was not and not the slightest reason. We have nothing to "reward" Beijing, it did not help us.

In particular, the sale of even the Su-35С fighters to China, let alone the C-400 SAM, would be a gross mistake. We must once and for all stop selling the newest weapons the main potential opponent. While in 90, this was justified by the need to support the existence of a domestic defense industry that remained without internal orders (especially since Beijing bought large quantities of military equipment for substantial sums), today this motive has disappeared, and no others have appeared. DIC does not have enough capacity to fulfill domestic orders. In addition, we have a sufficient number of other buyers who are not potential adversaries. And besides, China is now acquiring equipment in minimal batches, and its only goal is the theft of technology.

Right now, the most opportune moment has arisen to change the nature of relations with China, which until now have been profitable exclusively to China. Not only to stop the sale of weapons, but not to make concessions in the fields of politics and economics.

Moscow in the days of the Ukrainian-Crimean crisis quite adequately behaved in relation to NATO, not being frightened by this paper tiger. China is not a paper tiger, it is stronger in all senses than the West. But as long as his power has a limit. And the annexation of the Crimea should not be a precedent for China (it does not need precedents, but acts in accordance with its own capabilities), but, on the contrary, an indicator that Russia needs to moderate its appetites for the eastern territories.

You can even keep the old rhetoric about the "strategic partnership", but in reality the relationship should become extremely tough and pragmatic. If Moscow decides that it must somehow yield to Beijing, then in the foreseeable future, all the benefits of Crimean Victoria will turn into huge problems on the other side of Russia. It is a gross mistake to consider China a real counterweight to the West. China is the main threat for us, the West has nothing to do with this fact. You can play with Beijing very quickly, and then it will be too late to play back.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 14: 04
    +6
    Damn, I began to read the article and threw it. Another expert bullshit sucked up and thought out from a finger.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 14: 23
      +7
      Kys, kys, kys, but will there be grounds for disagreement? Or you’d just have an enemy for Russia .Au the creators of the empire, do you justify how Khramchikhin your thoughts, or even no one to talk to.

      PS After 1 period Russia-Latvia 3-1 yes
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 17 May 2014 17: 11
        +9
        Everything is simpler, China cannot support us, because it has Tibet, other areas that want to secede and it considers Taiwan to be its territory. When it came to Kosovo, he supported us, and if he supports the recognition of the DPR or Abkhazia, then this West will use his support against him in Taiwan or Tibet. Therefore, China is officially against any branch-ALWAYS. With any vote, China will abstain and this is the maximum, our diplomats understand this and do not put pressure on it. But on other issues - payment systems, reserve currencies, joint exercises, he is with us. You just need to understand that this is not because we are such friends, but because it is beneficial with us and we can help each other. For example, now China is preparing for an armed conflict with Vietnam and the Philippines and is counting on purchases from us, but we have common projects with Vietnam and we cannot officially support China either. It is not known what our government will choose. Politics is a complicated and not always obvious thing. Friends and enemies can change places, only interests are constant.
        1. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 18 May 2014 00: 18
          0
          Quote: g1v2
          and he considers Taiwan his territory.

          Therefore, the return of Crimea to the Russian Federation is a good precedent for China to return its territory to the state.
      2. elmonje
        elmonje 17 May 2014 19: 24
        +4
        Never wrestle with a pig. The author of the article adequately interprets the behavior of the Chinese in the situation with the Crimea, and if you did not consider it necessary to study Khramchikhin's rationale ("... started reading the article and left it ..."), then why would you react differently to the descriptions of the minuses? The Chinese are playing geopolitical go with all their might and have long-term goals not only to bring Russia to its knees, but the whole world.
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      1. Mitek
        Mitek 17 May 2014 14: 31
        +12
        Until we withstand the blow of China. Their trained army is roughly comparable to ours. But our mobile reserve is trained, and they have peasants. The war will not be the easiest, but we will survive. Not for nothing China Yapi bent all their life as they wanted with a numerical discrepancy.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 14: 35
          +1
          Quote: Mitek
          The war will not be the easiest, but we will survive.

          What kind of *****, in general, call at least one premise for a warrior with China ???
          1. Mitek
            Mitek 17 May 2014 14: 39
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Mitek
            The war will not be the easiest, but we will survive.

            What kind of *****, in general, call at least one premise for a warrior with China ???

            We are considering a HYPOTHETIC conflict. WHILE I do not observe such prerequisites)
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 14: 45
              0
              Quote: Mitek
              We are considering a HYPOTHETIC conflict

              Even hypothetically, justifications are needed. Although, theoretically, a conflict of interest.
              1. Praetorian
                Praetorian 17 May 2014 18: 30
                +9
                Hypothetically - resources and territory. If you do not agree with this, then, in this case, we cannot have conflicts with NATO and the West, even hypothetically in no way.
                1. g1v2
                  g1v2 17 May 2014 21: 43
                  +1
                  NATO was created to fight with us - this is the meaning of its existence. China needs us now, as it has no more serious allies. All his neighbors, except the DPRK, are his enemies. The United States has long been playing on its weakening. We are the only ones who have the same interests and opportunities with them for their realization. But if we sharply weaken, China will cease to be an ally to us. In general, all that is needed is to be strong, and there will be no serious problems with China. It’s like at night in a bad area - if you are a nerd with glasses, someone will probably pester you, and if you are a healthy guy with a bat in your hands, then the chances of reaching a house calmly increase.
          2. vsoltan
            vsoltan 17 May 2014 15: 36
            +9
            By the way, we won’t call the premises .... you can brainwash as many as you like .... the premises will be created and called by the heads of conflicting states. What, damn it, the prerequisites were in 1914? And in 1939? Yes, no .... except for the trashy US jokes that they won the most in these wars
          3. calocha
            calocha 17 May 2014 16: 31
            -1
            Uncle raves ... As long as there is the West, China and I are in the same harness ...
          4. vlad.svargin
            vlad.svargin 17 May 2014 16: 34
            +8
            Alexander Romanov
            What kind of *****, in general, call at least one premise for a warrior with China ???

            I would like to believe, but the story says the opposite. And at present, China’s interest in disputed territories with its neighbors is becoming more acute.
            In China, the pro-government newspaper Wen Wei Po published an article explaining that the country's economic and political development will necessitate a war with China's closest neighbors. Russia is also among the potential targets of attack. "China has announced the date of the start of the war with Russia" Wen Wei Po newspaper

            6 victorious wars and their terms are listed, including:
            ... a series of wars will end with a grand conflict with Russia, which is scheduled for 2055-2060. It was then that Russia’s turn will come to answer for the fact that it once took over 1,6 million square kilometers from the Chinese empire. "China announced the date of the start of the war with Russia" newspaper "Wen Wei Po"

            I think that by then Russia will be too tough for him. And Khramchikhin is right in his article:
            Now the most opportune moment has come to change the nature of relations with China, which until now have been exclusively beneficial to China. Not only to stop selling weapons, but not to make concessions in the areas of politics and economics.

            Since ancient times, China has always been interested in foreign relations mainly in the "borrowing" of technologies (to a greater extent, military), which is why it now buys only in small batches, and not only from us.
          5. Samurai3X
            Samurai3X 17 May 2014 17: 31
            +6
            Since Catherine's times, China has harbored a grudge for its "Northern Territories". And these sentiments are still there.
            A dual attitude towards them. In fact, we raised their country from Absolute Zero. The army, tanks, planes are cheap, and sometimes almost free. They remember that.
            You just need to understand in what context they remember ... 2 option:
            1. Stupid Russians themselves raise our country and we just need to keep a smile on our face and kiss them on the gums. Then you can return to the question of our "Northern Territories"
            2. The only normal Europeans who do not want to turn China into a colony. Potential allies.
          6. Onotollah
            Onotollah 17 May 2014 17: 44
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            , at least one prerequisite for a warrior with China ???

            My mother is a professional translator with more than 40 years of experience. She repeatedly said that she saw internal Chinese maps where part of the territory of the USSR / Russia (what was once pressed by Muravyov-Amursky) was marked as the territory of China.
            And in the case of China, it’s better not to talk about prerequisites, but about opportunities. As soon as I gain strength, I will try. And not because there is any reason, but because it can. Most likely not now, but in 20-50 years. When it eliminates the technological gap, it will start not with Russia, but with those who are weaker. What is happening now: conflicts with Vietnam and the Philippines over the disputed islands. Then, most likely, Mongolia is on its way.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 06: 33
              +1
              Quote: Onotolle

              My mother is a professional translator with over 40 years of experience.

              And my dad has been an officer for 50 years, believe in China it is not so simple. Just believe.
              1. Onotollah
                Onotollah 18 May 2014 08: 10
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                believe in China is not so simple. Just believe.

                It is good to.
              2. sibiryak81
                sibiryak81 18 May 2014 16: 22
                +1
                Understand when you will work for them ...
          7. sibiryak81
            sibiryak81 18 May 2014 16: 16
            +1
            ALEXANDER YOU FROM WHERE YOU WILL BE. China is a real threat to Russia. and you can’t believe them.
        2. smile
          smile 17 May 2014 14: 49
          +15
          Mitek
          The result of hostilities with China, no matter whose fault, at best, will be two weakened states with a murdered economy. which immediately rush to cut to pieces those who did not participate in the fray, both our and the same Chinese opposition will come to life .... in the worst case, Russia will at the same time receive, instead of several major cities, radioactive ruins, with millions of losses, and in in the place that before China was called, some of the survivors will hide in bunkers, mass construction of which has been launched in the country, and will fight off the latecomers, and the rest will run wild, partly create feudal gangs and unleash the struggle for food, water and ammunition ....
          Of course, I exaggerate, but it could be so ... do you think China does not understand this?
          Now China's expansion to us is like death .... That's when not so long ago our army was "optimized" and how this crap was supposed to end - it was not clear, then China could be feared ..... now it is obvious - no they have no chance.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 14: 56
            +3
            Quote: smile
            at best there will be two weakened states with a slaughtered economy

            And one of the bottom *** will not need the resources that are now quietly buying laughing
            Hi Vladimir, pour 4-1 drinks
            1. smile
              smile 17 May 2014 15: 22
              +3
              Alexander Romanov
              Great!
              That's right!
              However, the Latvians showed amazing agility in catching sports equipment ... with the goal. :)))
              Damn, and some of my friends' wives call me an alcoholic-provocateur, when their faithful "visit" me as a "guest" ... :))) And you finally, one might say, do not provoke, but propagandize with the help of electronic media ... together with those two funny circles ... with mugs ... :)))
              1. vsoltan
                vsoltan 17 May 2014 15: 27
                +3
                Oh, do you accept outsiders in the company of alcoholics? drinks
                1. smile
                  smile 17 May 2014 15: 55
                  +3
                  vsoltan
                  Yeah, you won’t let you in - you’ll break the door, spoil your face, in the sink nass..te ... :))) And then you will apologize and run for tasty and healing vodka .... it’s better right away - Welcome! ... :)))
                  1. vsoltan
                    vsoltan 18 May 2014 21: 23
                    +1
                    Come on ... so harsh .... we run off to the stall without a reminder when it's over! And piss in the bushes .... :))
              2. vsoltan
                vsoltan 17 May 2014 15: 27
                +1
                Oh, do you accept outsiders in the company of alcoholics? drinks
          2. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 17 May 2014 16: 03
            +4
            The result of the war between China and Russia will be the territory from the Arctic Ocean to the coast of India and from Kamchatka with Japan to the Atlantic Ocean, burnt and contaminated with radioactivity, chemical poisons and bacteriological weapons. Bunkers are unsaved, they are not eternal. It will be impossible to live and build a state in these territories. And the least affected states will destroy all survivors as potential mutants and monsters. There is nothing to deactivate such areas. so for millennia is a poisoned desert.
            1. smile
              smile 17 May 2014 18: 11
              +1
              Aleksey_K
              Well, to gouge us to such an extent, the Chinese have not enough strength. :))) As a state, we will survive ... if others do not finish it. Moreover, they and we will save part of the nuclear potential for other purposes. Yes, maybe we will confine ourselves to a man-made radioactive desert in the border areas ... but in general - the final is deplorable, here you are right.
              1. Praetorian
                Praetorian 17 May 2014 18: 36
                +1
                And they told me in the army that China will easily push us to the Urals, and there, if it wants, it will continue. Some of you are a liar)))
                1. niki233
                  niki233 17 May 2014 19: 25
                  -1
                  it’s someone who told you such crap, and even in the army, in the 70s, being an adviser in Vietnam, they didn’t beat them for a sweet soul.
                  1. smile
                    smile 18 May 2014 02: 19
                    +1
                    niki233
                    Right Vietnam gave quite a worthy rebuff to China.
                    I am very happy. that people with such a rich life experience as you have come here. You are very necessary here.
                2. smile
                  smile 18 May 2014 02: 15
                  0
                  Praetorian
                  Well, I’m not lying .... you don’t lie too - you repeat what you were told .... who is a liar - decide for yourself .... :))))
                  Let's model very, very briefly ....
                  Chinese DRG, both mishandled and canned, disable the Trans-Siberian Railway ... easily ... byad ....
                  Chinese shock groups may well cut Vladik .... already harder ....
                  our air defense may well compete with their aircraft and level their quantitative superiority over ours ....
                  further Chinese advance in any direction is associated with great difficulties ..... roads and tank-accessible directions "-" ...
                  In response to the inevitable bombing raids on our territory, we inflict several strikes on several Chinese dams ... tens of millions of corpses, at best ... in some places stopped industry, washed out half-born areas ... we can minimize and bang as a warning one by one ....... the Chinese already have costs that exceed all the possible benefits of seizing territories and resources for decades to come, and terrible losses .... our and the Chinese economy are in ruins, the mobilization itself costs so much that mom doesn’t grieve .... continue to continue? ..... we have not yet reached the threat of using nuclear weapons ... not to mention something more serious.
                  So that, no matter how politically incorrect, but based on the results, a liar - you .... :))))
        3. Hunghuz
          Hunghuz 17 May 2014 15: 41
          +2
          hi Previously, the Far Eastern Front could hold on for one month due to the mobility reserve) Taburetkin DESTROYED everything ......)))))))))
        4. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 17 May 2014 15: 51
          +4
          You never belittle the enemy. In the event of an attack on Russia, China will arm the 400 millionth army and still have the 200 millionth reserve. In Russia, only 700 thousand soldiers. We do not even have time to deploy the 2 millionth army, as China reaches the Urals. Now about the preparation. It is unlikely that you served and even more so fought. How can you evaluate the training of Chinese soldiers? Their foot soldiers are trained in modern martial arts. And they own small arms, believe me. By the way, you taught history poorly. Yapy have been an isolated state for millennia and have not attacked China. And those few decades after the Russo-Japanese War, when backward China was occupied, this is not all life. Why are your Yapis not conquering China now? Now China does not protect anyone, Russia does not have agreements on mutual military assistance with China. Now about pulling out China’s blow to Russia. Knowing that Russia has nothing to answer as soon as a nuclear strike, and if China starts a war, it will start a thermonuclear war. Do you personally withstand the impact of nuclear weapons? I have no doubt, turn into radioactive ashes.
          1. Children BuryKonya
            Children BuryKonya 17 May 2014 16: 40
            0
            China will put under arms 400 millionth army

            What-what-what-what-what? Where does the digital come from?
            Yapy has been an isolated state for millennia and has not been attacked by China

            They attacked, even before our era.
            Why are your Yapis not conquering China now?

            The question is rhetorical.
          2. smile
            smile 17 May 2014 18: 18
            0
            Aleksey_K
            Underestimate the enemy should not. Here you are right.
            But it’s probably not worth writing about 400 million armies and the terrible Chinese Batman-wielding super-martial arts. :))) It's ridiculous, honestly.
          3. Praetorian
            Praetorian 17 May 2014 18: 38
            +3
            Something with the numbers is not so obvious. 400 million Chinese under arms? Are you seriously? =)
          4. not main
            not main 18 May 2014 02: 51
            0
            Quote: Алексей_К
            China will put under arms 400 millionth army

            I recall ZABVO three lieutenants in the standings at the NS. The issue is the number of aircraft of China. The first lieutenant is a million, the second is two, and the third just asked, how much is needed?
        5. Grandfather Victor
          Grandfather Victor 17 May 2014 16: 31
          0
          China now produces all types of weapons more than all NATO countries, including the United States, taken together, and for many types of weapons - more than the rest of the world combined. China seems to have more nuclear weapons than Russia or the United States. Since 1967, 40 nuclear warheads have been produced in China (this, of course, does not reflect the number of combat-ready charges now, but it shows the capabilities of the Chinese nuclear-industrial complex). Expert estimates of the number of nuclear charges in the strategic forces of China give a minimum estimate of 4 thousand pieces. In the land forces of China, 1,5 nuclear weapons and a variety of delivery vehicles, including tactical and operational tactical missiles, which are more than in all other armies of the world combined. The number of ground forces is -2,25 million people, the mobilization reserve is 400 million people. Chinese special forces are the most numerous in the world and in terms of training quality are among the best in the world.
          In Russia, 600 pcs. multiple launch rocket systems, and in China 4000, including with a firing range of 200 and 400 kilometers. Type99 Chinese tanks at the level of the best world models, their number, together with older models, is many times greater than the number of tanks in the Russian Armed Forces. The buildup of all types of weapons of the Chinese Armed Forces is carried out at a furious pace.
          China is ready for a nuclear war. The list of expected military conflicts published in China includes the war with Russia.
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 17 May 2014 18: 01
            +4
            Quote: Grandpa Vitya
            China seems to have more nuclear weapons than Russia or the United States.

            Comrade, "apparently" is a very good argument ... to blow your nose into it and throw it into the trash bin! Before you write such wonderful things, first check - what are the real things there with different types of weapons, what is, for example, the number of such an important type of troops as strategic aviation in China, and how things are with it in Russia ... Then - compare - how the population is distributed in this very China and how in Russia ... And if you do this, then you will see an interesting picture - China can be destroyed with THREE (!) strikes, and not nuclear ones - cover three dams on mountain rivers and voila! It will only wash away several hundred million people, and the rest will be left with a collapsed infrastructure, economy, there will be no electricity, communications and all the ensuing delights ... The concentration and size of the population of China will simply kill it during the war and no hundreds of millions will have time to simply mobilize - not what is simple, and there will be nothing to feed.
            The Chinese understand this perfectly! And most importantly - you completely disregard the Chinese mentality - if the Chinese need something from Russia, then most likely they will just buy from us or rent it - it will be easier and more profitable, especially since they understand that the war with Russia their main opponent will win - the states, so the Chinese are more expensive to fight against us ...
          2. Children BuryKonya
            Children BuryKonya 17 May 2014 19: 39
            0
            China seems to have more nuclear weapons than Russia or the United States.

            "It only appears to be," where do you get this from?
            Russia remains the undisputed leader, capable of equipping 8570 missiles with nuclear warheads. The United States is not much behind: 6350 warheads are stored in their warehouses. On the account of the UK and France, respectively, 65 and 10 nuclear shells. The entire nuclear arsenal of China in the amount of 200 warheads is contained in untwisted(!) condition.
            mobilization reserve - 400 million people.

            I can imagine what they will have problems with the supply and deployment.
            Chinese special forces are the most numerous in the world and in terms of training quality are among the best in the world.

            What tasks has this spetsnaz carried out recently?
            1. Grandfather Victor
              Grandfather Victor 17 May 2014 21: 14
              -1
              Read ng.ru!
          3. vsoltan
            vsoltan 18 May 2014 21: 28
            0
            In-in-in, stirred up, baboons? So is China a threat to us or what? Friends type?
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        6. Onotollah
          Onotollah 17 May 2014 17: 29
          0
          Quote: Mitek
          But our mob reserve is trained,

          A colleague, according to some sources, they have a mobile reserve of about 400 million people.
          Maybe you don’t need to play war games with them?
          1. smile
            smile 17 May 2014 19: 45
            +2
            Onotollah
            It’s not necessary to fight with anyone .... but thoughtlessly repeating other people's nonsense may also not be necessary? Take an interest. how many inhabitants in China. extrapolate - 20-22 percent of the maximum possible mobilized, unimportantly trained, or not, take an interest in how many Kalashnikov assault rifles and vehicles suitable for use in the troops were riveted in China ... I’m not talking about the rest ... and think ...
            1. Onotollah
              Onotollah 18 May 2014 07: 02
              0
              Quote: smile
              Take an interest. how many inhabitants in China. extrapolate

              Well, colleague, let's calculate: the Chinese population on Wikipedia is 1351000000 million people, your 20-22% is 270-300 million people of mobility (2 times the total population of Russia), the PLA has 2 million 250 thousand people, including two border military districts of Beijing (430 thousand people) and Shenyansky (400 thousand people, again Wikidata) together in terms of numbers are comparable with the whole army of the Russian Federation, and these are not peasants with hoes, but military personnel, armed and equipped.
              Add to this the growth rate of arms production in China and the allocation allocated to the defense industry (2nd place in the world in 2013), high morale and a desire for revenge (I wrote somewhere above). Add to this the significant Chinese diasporas in the border regions of the Russian Federation and a very low density of the indigenous population in the same place. Between Chita and Blagoveshchensky, how many relatively large cities with a population of at least 200-300 thousand? NO ONE!!! The border is more than 1500 km !! The border areas of the Irkutsk and Chita regions, Buryatia are practically deserted !!
              I'm wildly sorry, but do you think this data is stupid?
        7. Akvadra
          Akvadra 17 May 2014 21: 48
          +2
          Can a bear be friends with a dragon? Only parity and mutual respect for power. And if necessary, mutual union against jackals. But you can’t turn your back and relax. Deadly!
      2. nalim
        nalim 17 May 2014 14: 46
        +3
        Plus, because I myself think so. I’ll add ... if technology is stolen, then they themselves can’t and can’t do anything.
        1. smile
          smile 17 May 2014 15: 27
          +6
          nalim
          Well, everyone steals technology, and the larger the country, the more successful its theft :)) The United States steals no less than the Chinese, they just do not copy stupidly - as long as you copy, a lot of time is lost ... we also did not lag behind the Americans in this regard ... and we have similar methods. And now we have to restore skills ... :)))
          1. vsoltan
            vsoltan 17 May 2014 15: 33
            +4
            And also a remark - if we steal - this is normal and even desirable, but if we have - well, they all .... damn it, they don’t know how !!! wink
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        2. vsoltan
          vsoltan 17 May 2014 15: 32
          +6
          Well, you know .... maybe they didn’t know how .... only Joseph Vissarionovich also did not disdain to buy up technology a little and besides - pi * dit (emphasis on the latter and) ..... as a result, he received the most powerful army at the end of the war. No one disputes the remarkable talent of our designers, the organizational skills of Lavrenty Palych .... industrial espionage - there is industrial espionage. Nothing immoral in him over the past 2-3 thousand years no one finds. So it would not hurt for us to steal something too .... what lies bad - and not only from military technology. Che, such as a normal automatic transmission can not be copied and stolen? I am surprised ....
        3. Penzyac
          Penzyac 17 May 2014 16: 09
          +3
          Quote: nalim
          Plus, because I myself think so. I’ll add ... if technology is stolen, then they themselves can’t and can’t do anything.

          While they do not know how, we also copied in the 30s, when we did not know how, but studied. True, I do not believe that the Chinese will ever be able to create their own scientific and technological zone, they are good at copying and replicating, but in basic science they are weak, their mentality is like that.
    3. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 17 May 2014 14: 24
      +1
      The main conclusion is that we must continue to demonstrate strength to Beijing, and not make concessions to it.

      China, I think, is not a threat to us (if anything ...). They have a great army of course, technology, etc. .. Everything is standard with them .. And as allies it is power (recently conducted exercises, etc.) China understands that without Russia he is nobody .. And I do not need to revive ...
      1. free
        free 17 May 2014 15: 01
        +8
        Quote: MIKHAN
        The main conclusion is that we must continue to demonstrate strength to Beijing, and not make concessions to it.

        China, I think, is not a threat to us (if anything ...). They have a great army of course, technology, etc. .. Everything is standard with them .. And as allies it is power (recently conducted exercises, etc.) China understands that without Russia he is nobody .. And I do not need to revive ...

        The last line is very weighty, ahhaha
      2. kush62
        kush62 17 May 2014 15: 21
        +4
        China, I think, is not a threat to us (if anything ...). They have a great army of course, technology, etc. .. Everything is standard with them .. And as allies it is power (recently conducted exercises, etc.) China understands that without Russia he is nobody .. And I do not need to revive ...

        I especially liked it "and I don't need to object" It is called differently - There are two opinions, correct and not mine.

        The majority of Chinese people (at least in Beijing) really do not like the United States, but they treat us normally.
      3. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 17 May 2014 16: 06
        0
        No one objects until another Mao Jie Dong arrives.
      4. Penzyac
        Penzyac 17 May 2014 16: 41
        +4
        Quote: MIKHAN
        The main conclusion is that we must continue to demonstrate strength to Beijing, and not make concessions to it.

        ... Template everything from them ...

        Here is a key phrase explaining why China will not be able to create its own scientific and technological zone, and without this, one cannot lay claim to world leadership. The reason - for centuries brought up by Confucianism some stereotyped thinking of the Chinese.
        Our task is to restore, even in a territory smaller than during the USSR, our own scientific and technological zone (now only pieces in some areas of production remain from it), then again the devil himself will not be afraid of us.
      5. Ptah
        Ptah 17 May 2014 17: 58
        0
        Quote: MIKHAN
        And do not revive me ...

        We obey and obey, O Great Mikhan!
    4. avg
      avg 17 May 2014 14: 40
      +6
      Of course, we need an extremely pragmatic attitude towards China. But, why think of the Chinese? For example, the Chinese may well interpret the annexation of Crimea as the future annexation of Taiwan. As for territorial claims against Russia, China has a lot of weaker neighbors with which, unlike Russia, territorial disputes and historical grievances have not been settled. At the moment, we need China, just as we need it, and it is in the interests of both countries to use it against the united west.
      1. Turik
        Turik 17 May 2014 14: 44
        +1
        Again Alexander Khramchikhin!

        Well, what else do you want from his article?
    5. Alekseev
      Alekseev 17 May 2014 14: 42
      +6
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Another sucked and thought out of the finger expert bullshit.

      Absolutely accurate definition!
      It is not true that the "Crimean operation", during which there were no battles, but only, albeit well-organized, movements and deployment of troops, "a masterpiece of military art."
      The "Silk" road by land in the EU will not bypass the territory of Russia anyway, and if the Trans-Siberian and Northern Sea Route are modernized, China and other Asian countries will be happy to use them.
      China need RF let as US ally in peaceful struggle against hegemonybut no brotherly friendship them from us and us from them do not.
      The position of the PRC (India, Latin American Countries) does not allow the West to seriously even dream about the economic and political isolation of Russia.
      And voting at the UN is the essence of propaganda: they say we are good, we obey the law, but we cannot condemn Russia request , since "Ukraine was saddled by the West" and has no independent domestic policy. yes
    6. sniper
      sniper 17 May 2014 15: 03
      +11
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      , began to read the article and threw it.

      I don’t know, Alexander ... But China also scares me a little ... What friend and ally is he? So in the best case, a fellow traveler at this stage ... And only if Russia is very strong, will it remain so, will not go into the category of opponents ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 15: 06
        +4
        Quote: sniper
        I don’t know, Alexander ... But China also scares me a little ..

        For reference, who is the author ...
        Experts: There will be no war in South Ossetia
        There will be no full-scale war in South Ossetia in the near future. This point of view was expressed on August 7 by Alexander Khramchikhin, head of the analytical department of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis, to a REGNUM correspondent.



        Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/1037955.html#ixzz3242P6pFU
        Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.

        Khramchikhin yap !!!
        1. sniper
          sniper 17 May 2014 15: 27
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Khramchikhin yap !!!
          Most likely ... Only this does not make China soft and fluffy, but the fact that their army is very strong does not add optimism ...
        2. Albert1988
          Albert1988 17 May 2014 18: 09
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Experts: No war will be in South Ossetia

          So everything is correct - this Khramchikhin at first predicted "there will be no war", but oops - the bastard came out, now he, "burnt in milk" predicts - "there will be war" ... wink
          I wish that this prediction of his also "come true" as well as the previous one ...
    7. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 17 May 2014 15: 11
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Damn, I began to read the article and threw it. Another expert bullshit sucked up and thought out from a finger.

      I agree. To nightmare a possible future in relations between Russia and China now is not smart and not appropriate, but rather provocative. As for the arms trade, these issues should be resolved by military scientific and technical expertise. (I hope so.) China is the most likely and desirable ally in the confrontation with NATO. (God forbid, from a military conflict, but ...) And the Allies need unified, to the extent possible, weapons. An analysis of the current situation in China’s geostrategic plans is interesting. - Thanks to the author ...
    8. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 17 May 2014 15: 18
      +7
      You probably were not born yet when China attacked the USSR on Damansky Island. When the Russian soldiers did not advance, but retreated under the onslaught of the superior forces of China, giving up the territory of their native country. The USSR did not use nuclear weapons against China just because the West threatened a nuclear attack on the USSR. Are friends (China) teaming up with your enemies? Enemies only! China is holding back from an attack on Russia, only Russia's use of nuclear weapons in China. Chinese leaders still dream of shortening Russia in the east to the Urals. Not a single army in the world can stop the 400 millionth army of China, which also has the 200 millionth reserve.
      And everyone who wants to introduce China to little white and fluffy, ENEMIES trying to deceive the Russian people, including you ENEMY!
      1. smile
        smile 17 May 2014 15: 51
        +1
        Aleksey_K
        Sorry, but you give such details on the conflict in Damansky that it seems that you were born seven years ago ... :))) I understand, of course, that youth is such a drawback. which passes quickly ... but, damn it, open the site’s archive and read what happened there - is it not fate? :)))

        1. In principle, the Army did not participate in the conflict at Damansky — only a small amount of air defense. With almost fifty times the superiority in manpower, our border guards managed to inflict damage to the Chinese ten times more ... Please, take an interest in who Bubenin is and what the border guards did with the Chinese with a pair of cans - BTR ...... and if we recall the results of the use of Grad on Chinese territory, then the Chinese have about fifty times more losses .... The Chinese’s losses were about the same as if a pit bull had a fight with a flock of chickens ... Did you use nuclear weapons for horseradish?

        2. We did not give any special territories - two dozen border guards temporarily moved away from the uninhabited island ... then several dozen border guards drove out the Chinese from there. having destroyed approximately the battalion. all.

        3. Undoubtedly, times have changed. But not so dramatically. And yet, here you are talking about the 400 millionth army of China ... sorry, this is not even funny .... you can call up 20-22 percent of the population as much as possible. And you did not think that they still need to be equipped and equipped? Or, in your opinion, the Chinese hordes wander around conquering us as a infant, eating pasture and cones, trimming clubs on the way?
        Sorry, but you showed rare incompetence ...
        1. Onotollah
          Onotollah 17 May 2014 18: 07
          0
          Quote: smile
          3. Undoubtedly, times have changed. But not so dramatically. And yet, here you are talking about the 400 millionth army of China ... sorry, this is not even funny .... you can call up 20-22 percent of the population as much as possible. And you did not think that they still need to be equipped and equipped? Or, in your opinion, the Chinese hordes wander around conquering us as a infant, eating pasture and cones, trimming clubs on the way?

          A colleague, with all due respect, should note:
          The population of Mongolia is about 4 million people, the population density is half a shepherd and half a horse per 1 square kilometer, in Russia the entire territory from the Urals to Vladivostok is about 30 million people, the population density in the border strip can’t even joke around, let me ask a silly question: when parity of nuclear forces with what and by whom to stop the massive buildup of small groups of 2-3 million Chinese, for example, in the Trans-Baikal region, even as a steppe table? And if so on the front between Novosibirsk and Vladivostok?
          1. smile
            smile 18 May 2014 02: 42
            0
            Onotollah
            1. nuclear weapons parity is not yet foreseen in the coming decades. And even at parity, we can ditch them many times, they seriously spoil us ....
            2. The vulnerability of China's concentrated potential is such that we will have to spend the minimum number of warheads on its complete destruction .......
            3. By striking strategic dams with a non-nuclear weapon, we are able to destroy a significant part of China's industrial potential and a large part of farmland (we are not talking about millions of people), and if nuclear weapons are used .....
            4. Stories about small groups of Chinese in the 2-3 million, leave for jokes. How much can they arm, equip, and at least provide transport?
            5. The main thing is why China, with a killed economy (if it is preserved at all), our resources, if the damage is many times greater than the benefits that can be obtained after decades .... and this despite the fact that we really do not make a hole on the map from China threat to their existence ... the determination of our current leadership leaves no doubt that no one will hesitate ....
            1. Onotollah
              Onotollah 18 May 2014 07: 55
              0
              Quote: smile
              How much can they arm, equip, and at least provide transport?

              Colleague, you seem to have outdated data:
              China's GDP is in 2nd place in the world and there is a tendency to further growth (this is due to the killed economy)
              China is an exporter of arms, although at the end of 2013 only 8th place, but believe me, their army is not armed with match and flintlock guns. For example, the large-caliber MLRS WS-1B has a range of up to 180 km, and the domestic Smerch up to 120, and the WS- 2, for example, has a range of up to 200 km. Unfortunately, there are no domestic analogues.
              China's automobile market takes 1st place in the world, and in terms of car production (19,3 million units in 2012; for comparison in Russia 2 million 2012, 2,2 million in 2013) is a confident leader, leaving behind the recognized leaders of the United States and Japan .
              So they can fully arm, equip and provide transport for their army.
              We ourselves need to move very intensively, and then no matter how late it turns out.
              This also applies to the issue of nuclear weapons parity.
              In general, in my opinion it is very dangerous to underestimate a potential enemy, thinking that he is armed with hoes, slurping bean soup with beach slippers, and that in general they are all narrow-eyed monkeys.
              1. smile
                smile 19 May 2014 12: 01
                0
                Onotollah
                Sorry, but you seem to have read the comment you criticized inattentively.
                I wrote about the murdered economy as a result of the war. They have concentrated on industrial areas, which are not so many and very vulnerable.
                And I do not need to write common truths about the armament of the Chinese army. I know it. I wrote about that. that no one can equip 400 million people, they cannot be armed with all of China and us in addition. Even flintlocks do not ring, only if with stones and sticks. I repeat, I wrote about 400 million mythical reservists. Be careful, okay?
                And to the question of parity - their nuclear potential is inferior to ours several times. And this is a medical fact.
                1. Onotollah
                  Onotollah 20 May 2014 09: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: smile
                  Be careful, okay?

                  Approx.
        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 17 May 2014 20: 48
          +1
          At that time I was of military age. And I almost got there. At this time, in Sverdlovsk, all workers from all factories without asking anyone were simply taken directly from the machine tools and sent to staff the reserve troops. All combat units located in the Ural Military District were put on platforms, wagons and sent to the Chinese border. The tanks were subsequently buried on the tower and they became bunkers. Subsequently, new ones arrived in Sverdlovsk. I served in one of these new parts. Why all this mobilization of civilians (without announcement of mobilization)? Why send military units to the border? But because no one knew that China had so far simply tested the combat effectiveness of Russian weapons. A variant of a real war with China was possible. And China, like Japan, at one time, stopped the armed provocation.
          Wikipedia: "... in a critical situation, in VIOLATION of the instructions of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU not to introduce Soviet troops into the conflict, by order of the commander of the Far Eastern Military District, Colonel-General OA Losik, fire was opened from the then secret multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) Grad. The shells destroyed most of the material and technical resources of the Chinese group and the military, including reinforcements, mortars, stacks of shells. At 17:10, motorized riflemen of the 2nd motorized rifle battalion of the 199th motorized rifle regiment went on the attack, and border guards under under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Smirnov and Lieutenant Colonel Konstantinov. "
          Speaking of border guards, as you say. Almost the entire strength of a specific outpost perished!
          And you are talking about some banks. And mortars and stacks of shells in huge quantities, only on cars could be transported.
          Now about Sverdlovsk. Why did the Sverdlovsk motorized rifle division fight at Domansky? On Wikipedia, not a word about this. They call the division of the Far Eastern District. And because there were no units in the USSR from the Urals to Vladivostok, we were friends. That's why they climbed on Damansky.
          By the way, I visited 1973 in the Khabarovsk division. They did not even have fences around military units with sheds.
      2. not main
        not main 18 May 2014 03: 11
        0
        Quote: Алексей_К
        When the Russian soldiers did not advance, but retreated under the onslaught of the superior forces of China, giving up the territory of their native country.

        Soviet soldiers did not give even an inch of land in Damansky! Everything was done by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs! Correctness of the decision: how to say?
    9. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 17 May 2014 15: 29
      +3
      You probably were not born yet when China attacked the USSR on Damansky Island. When the Russian soldiers did not advance, but retreated under the onslaught of the superior forces of China, giving up the territory of their native country. The USSR did not use nuclear weapons against China just because the West threatened a nuclear attack on the USSR. Are friends (China) teaming up with your enemies? Only BP .... AGI! China is holding back from an attack on Russia, only Russia's use of nuclear weapons in China. Chinese leaders still dream of shortening Russia in the east to the Urals. Not a single army in the world can stop the 400 millionth army of China, which also has the 200 millionth reserve.
      And everyone who wants to introduce China to little white and furry, BP .... AGI, trying to deceive the Russian people, including you BP .... AG!
    10. VNP1958PVN
      VNP1958PVN 17 May 2014 15: 47
      0
      Such bullshit once turned to us about. Damansky. Do not forget about it!
    11. gfnhbjnrf
      gfnhbjnrf 17 May 2014 17: 28
      +1
      There is no smoke without fire.
    12. dkflbvbh
      dkflbvbh 17 May 2014 20: 35
      +2
      With the Chinese, we still suffer. Do you think these narrow-film swallowed Damansky and calmed down? Fuck, they still show themselves.
    13. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 18 May 2014 00: 40
      +3
      Do not think badly about China. You need to think very badly.
  2. Turkir
    Turkir 17 May 2014 14: 06
    +28
    In particular, the sale of even Su-35S fighters to China, not to mention the S-400 air defense system, would be a gross mistake. It is necessary once and for all to stop selling the latest weapons to the main potential enemy.

    An absolutely correct thought. If the Chinese leadership in this situation applies to Russia the stratagem "Watch the fire from the other side", then the answer should be EQUAL.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 14: 13
      +6
      Quote: Turkir
      Absolutely true thought

      I’m afraid that China will not even have time to become a potential adversary. Even hypothetically I will not represent the warrior of Russia and China, it is simply mutually disadvantageous. Warriors need friction, competition, and everything else.
      And the Chinas themselves are so smart and hardworking to understand the consequences of the warriors. Who knows the Chinese people will understand.
      Everything else is from the evil one.
      1. washi
        washi 17 May 2014 14: 29
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I’m afraid that China will not even have time to become a potential adversary.

        I agree.
        If China unites with the United States against us, then again become a colony.
        If the PRC unites with the Russian Federation, then it will turn into our "fighting hamster", but with a reliable rear with a bunch of resources and brains. (The Chinese, like all "southern" peoples, do not have creative thinking.)
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 14: 37
          +2
          Quote: Vasya
          If China unites with the USA against us,

          Not real, even theoretically. Too different mentality.
          Quote: Vasya
          If the PRC unites with the Russian Federation, then it will turn into our "fighting hamster", but with a reliable rear with a bunch of resources and brains.

          There is no official military bloc, but even now China is in the rear of Russia. There will be no Russia, the United States will make China the main enemy, and there it is understood.
      2. Per se.
        Per se. 17 May 2014 18: 09
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Even hypothetically I will not represent the warrior of Russia and China, it is simply mutually disadvantageous
        The Soviet Union sold a lot of things to Nazi Germany, cooperation seemed mutually beneficial, friendship was strong, especially after the signing of a non-aggression pact and a treaty of friendship and cooperation, especially since a war on two fronts seemed absurd for the Germans ... Honestly, I am touched by our optimists on the issue of friendship with China. Against whom is our "peace-loving" neighbor so actively arming? I had a chance to communicate with the Chinese, there were, they came on the issue of fine-tuning their aircraft engine for a "peaceful" project, but it was necessary to bring the afterburner, where "a no brainer" that this is a military topic. For ten Chinese specialists with translators, about the same number of strange "people" with a military bearing. For their money, they stubbornly squeezed everything to the maximum. China will not help anyone for thanks, it has a delicate calculation and deep self-interest for everything, and it’s an “ally” on his own mind, hiding ours meticulously sniffing, using our vicious understanding of alliance. Yes, there are many good people among the Chinese, I was convinced of this, but they do not make politics, and if they are called up, they will obediently go to kill Russian enemies for their great homeland, they were brought up that way. It is very naive to believe that China needs more overpopulated southern lands with a minimum of resources, and not deserted northern ones with a maximum of world reserves. Of course, the conflict is not a matter of today, but it will be inevitable, especially if we ourselves condone the strengthening of China to the detriment of Russia, to the detriment of our national security interests.
      3. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 17 May 2014 20: 57
        +1
        My father fought with the Japanese in China (he also fought with the Nazis). His words about the Chinese: "These are robbers - deceivers, robbers and murderers. They steal everything that does not belong to them." But it seems that people who were friendly to us, oppressed by the Japanese, were liberated. It would be better if WE did not pass on the secrets of nuclear technology and other weapons. Better if they remained unarmed!
        1. dkflbvbh
          dkflbvbh 17 May 2014 21: 38
          +1
          Mine was also robbed in those days in Beijing, despite the guards attached to each officer.
      4. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 18 May 2014 00: 54
        0
        I forgot the ambitions of politicians.
  3. mig31
    mig31 17 May 2014 14: 08
    +3
    The lady is pleasant in all respects, I think it will not suit Russia, you see gentlemen, politics, we are on our own, they are on their own, on their minds, yes, in business, yes, otherwise there is no faith in anyone ...
    1. jktu66
      jktu66 17 May 2014 14: 21
      +10
      there is no faith in anyone ...
      40 million Chinese in uniform in preparation for military operations, weapons are no longer a bunch of obsolete scrap metal, the Chinese military-industrial complex is gaining momentum. FOR WHAT??? It’s not against Mongolia to defend precisely. Siberia and Far East in Chinese textbooks - Russian land occupied by Russia
    2. shiplover100
      shiplover100 17 May 2014 14: 45
      +1
      Well done! Come on reality! Stop fussing !!!!!
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    4. shiplover100
      shiplover100 17 May 2014 14: 47
      0
      For a long time I see ... Will you go to fight ?????
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          1. shiplover100
            shiplover100 17 May 2014 15: 00
            0
            HERE, And the answer to the question ... YOU ARE BALLAST !!!!!
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  4. vsoltan
    vsoltan 17 May 2014 14: 08
    +6
    I completely agree with the position of the author .... there is a lot of noise from NATO, led by "mattress makers", but in principle nothing special .... so, the yapping of yard bobs .... besides, the peak of economic and military power is the guys have already passed. At the same time, the Chinese continue to multiply, buy weapons from us and from the Americans and in Geyrope, steal technologies and, on the basis of them, produce more and more of their own weapons. The Celestial Empire is more and more actively being introduced into global politics ... so this will eventually become for us not a simple headache, but a real problem. China is a completely different civilization ... aliens, in a word. And it will not be possible to reach an agreement with them on any grounds. Therefore, it is good that the Chinese projects in Crimea (as well as in North Africa) have failed. I am not sure that the channel parallel to the Panama canal is good for Russia. Therefore, they have no weapons ... except for bacteriological, which only mows down narrow-eyed.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 14: 15
      -1
      Quote: vsoltan
      I completely agree with the position of the author .... there is a lot of noise from NATO, headed by "mattress makers", but in principle nothing special .... so, the yapping of yard bobs .... besides, the peak of economic and military power is the guys have already passed

      You 2 world warrior is not enough? Or are you from tech-Thunder not coming, man not crossing himself?
      1. vsoltan
        vsoltan 17 May 2014 14: 27
        +10
        Do not escalate .... learn the story. China is a real threat
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 14: 38
          -1
          Quote: vsoltan
          Do not escalate .... learn the story. China is a real threat

          Give an example.
          1. vsoltan
            vsoltan 18 May 2014 21: 39
            0
            Well, you at least read the answers and opinions on the forum? Thank God, there are many gentlemen who have the same opinion about the Russian-Chinese "friendship" ..... less arrogance, read carefully
      2. gsg955
        gsg955 17 May 2014 14: 29
        +10
        If everything is fine with you, then you don’t notice something.
        (Murphy’s second law). China sleeps and sees the whole Far East. He just needs to wait ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 14: 40
          -1
          Quote: gsg955
          (Murphy’s second law)

          You would quote from Carnegie’s book.
  5. Yves762
    Yves762 17 May 2014 14: 09
    +3
    And why suddenly the "new silk road" is a Beijing project. It is believed that he is US-sovsky.

    http://rus.ruvr.ru/2014_03_27/Amerikanskij-proekt-Novij-shelkovij-put-v-Centraln
    oj-Azii-zachem-SSHA-ponadobilsja-Tajikistan-9232 /


    On the other hand, judging by the following article, not everything is so sad in Russian-Chinese relations that it would be worth bending your fingers at Beijing.
    http://www.rg.ru/2014/05/16/rf-kitai-site.html
  6. jktu66
    jktu66 17 May 2014 14: 09
    +7
    But China was clearly afraid to speak directly against Russia.
    In time, we showed our strength, including China. They have such a mentality - they perceive friendship and benevolence as a partner’s weakness, while they respect the power and seek out the stronger ones.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 17 May 2014 16: 39
      +1
      This is not the first time I'm writing. The Chinese have stratagemic thinking from the everyday level to the political.
      Harro von Senger "Stratagems. The Chinese Art of Living and Surviving".
      Very interesting and necessary book. winked
  7. Yuri Sev Caucasus
    Yuri Sev Caucasus 17 May 2014 14: 10
    +9
    Yes, the article is a correct ally from China is painfully cunning, it is not clear what interests he has.
    1. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 17 May 2014 14: 11
      +6
      this is true in relation to ANY ally ....
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 14: 17
      +3
      Quote: Yuri Sev Caucasus
      Yes, the article is a correct ally from China is painfully cunning, it is not clear what interests he has.

      the incomprehensible is frightening. This is the instinct of animals, the fear of the unknown. By doing so in particular (individuals) in the United States, opening fire on everything that moves.
      1. gsg955
        gsg955 17 May 2014 14: 31
        +3
        Territories and resources on the scales of geopolitics.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 14: 42
          0
          Quote: gsg955
          Territories and resources on the scales of geopolitics.

          It is much more profitable for China to buy them than to fight for them. Given that there will be nothing left of the Chinese economy after the warriors, a resource warrior will be stupid.
          1. jktu66
            jktu66 18 May 2014 20: 28
            0
            It is much more profitable for China to buy them than to fight for them. Given that there will be nothing left of the Chinese economy after the warriors, a resource warrior will be stupid.
            And where to put the sexual energy of 120 million Chinese men who are trite enough women in the Middle Kingdom. War is a good way for them to switch social tension by the Chinese government from internal to external periphery.
      2. jktu66
        jktu66 18 May 2014 20: 24
        0
        the incomprehensible is frightening. This is the instinct of animals, the fear of the unknown. By doing so in particular (individuals) in the United States, opening fire on everything that moves.
        The giant army and the military-industrial complex is tearing itself into a leading position in the arms market, clones of our and state-of-the-art ultra-modern weapons in mass production is this what? Incomprehensible ??? It's time to forget the saying, Russian and Chinese friendship forever.
    3. gsg955
      gsg955 17 May 2014 14: 30
      -1
      Resources need Russian.
    4. washi
      washi 17 May 2014 14: 36
      0
      Quote: Yuri Sev Caucasus
      Yes, the article is a correct ally from China is painfully cunning, it is not clear what interests he has.

      The article is dumb.
      The Chinese remember the real story, not the one that the Jesuits wrote to them, but Western historians.
      They consider Stalin a competent politician, not a murderer.
      GDP for them is an adequate politician, not .... (I will not quote the opinions of some "Ukrainians")
      For the welfare of China needs a strong Russia.
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    6. creak
      creak 17 May 2014 15: 19
      +1
      Quote: Yuri Sev Caucasus
      Yes, the article is a correct ally from China is painfully cunning, it is not clear what interests he has.


      In my opinion, the question of China's interests is more or less clear - they have their own, national and no other ... And seriously harness for someone, incl. And for Russia, out of love for their neighbor, the Chinese will not ... For a long time, China's policy was reduced to the main principle: "Sit like a wise monkey on the top of a hill and watch two tigers fight in the valley." At one time, the USSR and the PRC were real allies - the song "Russian and Chinese brothers forever" thundered from all the loudspeakers, and it all ended with Damansky, if anyone forgot .. Although as for a serious military conflict, it seems unlikely in the foreseeable future - long-term agreements provide the PRC with guaranteed significant supplies of oil and gas, the consumption of which in China is only growing ... However, in the issue of military-technical cooperation, it is necessary to be more careful (to more carefully calculate all possible pros and cons, including from the point of view of competition on the international arms market) ...
  8. Gloria45
    Gloria45 17 May 2014 14: 11
    +5
    RIA Novosti user shared a post:

    May 20, Vladimir Putin will leave for China on an official visit. During the visit, a record package of documents can be signed:
    A record package of 43 documents is being prepared for Putin's visit to China
    http://ria.ru/politics/20140516/1008050295.html
  9. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 17 May 2014 14: 11
    +9
    And we have a sufficient number of other buyers who are not potential opponents. And besides, now China is acquiring equipment in minimal batches, and its only goal is to steal technology.

    What prevents China from buying Russian equipment from buyers who are not potential opponents?

    Interesting information about the "Silk Road", deep-water port and European width of the railway in Ukraine. But the conclusions in the article are crooked. China will always pursue only its own policy. There can be no talk of any fraternal Chinese people. It's just that now, either Russia's actions are beneficial to China, or we are now on the way.
    1. washi
      washi 17 May 2014 14: 43
      0
      Quote: MainBeam
      China will always pursue only its policy. There can be no talk of any fraternal Chinese people.

      There is no talk of fraternal people.
      There is submission.
      There are smart dogs (seen) that the owner does not perceive when drunk.
      The Chinese are a dog.
      What happened after death of the IVS should be perceived as rampant drunkenness.
      We are starting to sober up. The dog, so far, is wary (what can an inadequate person do when drunk can be known by many, but when is the terrible sober?)
  10. eprst
    eprst 17 May 2014 14: 12
    +13
    China is still "sitting on the banks of the river and waiting for the corpse of its enemy to float past" .. China should not be given reason to doubt the strength of Russia ...
    1. gsg955
      gsg955 17 May 2014 14: 33
      +2
      Totally agree with you.
    2. mad
      mad 17 May 2014 14: 37
      +2
      In, in, the author needs to first acquire Eastern wisdom, and then try to understand the Chinese. There, even a banal nod of the head has a different meaning.
  11. _my opinion
    _my opinion 17 May 2014 14: 12
    +6
    A lot will become clear on the results of Putin’s trip to China. And then it will be possible to draw some conclusions about the REAL position of the Chinese authorities ... and until that moment, putting China in potential opponents is, to put it mildly, premature.
    Now Amer’s authorities are trying to get over Russia and China, and then crush them one by one. China is the largest US debt holder in the world, and can REALLY move amers between the eyes REALLY. I'm not talking about the likelihood of a dollar being abandoned in settlements with the PRC.
    By the way, not long ago financial sites working with the RMB appeared in England and Germany.
  12. GRANATE-19
    GRANATE-19 17 May 2014 14: 15
    +8
    CRIMEAN RESPONSE TO RUSSIA showed the whole world that WE can claim MUCH in this WORLD! RUSSIA and with her and PUTIN are rapidly gaining political weight, and so friskly that no one can counteract this!
    Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
  13. X Y Z
    X Y Z 17 May 2014 14: 22
    +7
    The main thing that the author has very accurately noticed is that we need pure pragmatism and upholding exclusively our own interests. In every possible way to stop both the ridiculous attempts of the Americans to drag us into the anti-Chinese trenches (without offering anything substantial for this), and the attempts of the Chinese to engage us with supposedly moral support and acquire advanced models of equipment for 5 kopecks. We have our own goals and objectives, and neither the USA nor China will be our allies in them.
  14. Lyton
    Lyton 17 May 2014 14: 27
    +4
    China is an enemy for us, primarily on the eastern frontiers and to sell modern weapons to it is acting to its own detriment, as in a proverb, it will be its own bacon and lard.
  15. Giant thought
    Giant thought 17 May 2014 14: 27
    +10
    It is necessary to be friends with China, but the ear should be on the alert. The essence of China is Jewish trick with Asian cunning. Hugging with China is not necessary, it will strangle us in its arms. In relations with China, as with all others, it is only necessary to do what is beneficial to Russia.
  16. builder
    builder 17 May 2014 14: 27
    +6
    What do you mean "China has taken an openly anti-Russian position"? China has taken a missile defense-Chinese position.
  17. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 17 May 2014 14: 28
    +7
    Previously posted comments about China at least three times. I will say it again: Russian is not a brother to the Chinese. The presence on the other side of the border of more than a billion descendants of the "Red Guards and Zaofan" does not inspire me. These guys shouldn't put a finger in their mouths!
  18. kubanec
    kubanec 17 May 2014 14: 29
    +6
    We must be friends with China !! But at the same time strengthen the eastern frontiers !!!!
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 17 May 2014 16: 12
      -3
      It's impossible. To contain the onslaught from China, the 10 millionth army must be maintained on the border with China. Do you agree to the 3's one-year service, with two calls in the year for all (and sick) 18-year-old boys?
  19. fvandaku
    fvandaku 17 May 2014 14: 30
    +6
    In China since the 90s, there are maps for internal use == THERE IS SIBERIA AND THE FAR EAST YELLOW !!
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  22. vsoltan
    vsoltan 17 May 2014 14: 32
    -4
    And what, on the forum and what thread is Chinese registered? A lot of narrow-eyed praises.
  23. Support
    Support 17 May 2014 14: 32
    +4
    We have only one direction vector - what is beneficial to RUSSIA (as mentioned above by the post). And in general, why does RUSSIA always seem to justify itself? We must do as we see fit. Dissenters move to the side or disappear from the map of the Earth ....
  24. Lyton
    Lyton 17 May 2014 14: 34
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Turkir
    Absolutely true thought

    I’m afraid that China will not even have time to become a potential adversary. Even hypothetically I will not represent the warrior of Russia and China, it is simply mutually disadvantageous. Warriors need friction, competition, and everything else.
    And the Chinas themselves are so smart and hardworking to understand the consequences of the warriors. Who knows the Chinese people will understand.
    Everything else is from the evil one.

    Really, if you knew the situation on our border, they won’t even have to fight, they’ll just cross the border in columns and occupy our territories, in Primorye for sure, the border guards themselves say, who knows, we have here besides the marines on there is nothing to the military commander and airborne forces near Ussuriysk, so you should know that.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 14: 52
      +2
      Quote: Lyton

      Really, if you knew the situation on our border

      Sorry, but where exactly do I live? Zaiti is possible in columns, but missiles will fly around China itself and resources will not be needed. What is the point of warriors?
      1. andrewvlg
        andrewvlg 17 May 2014 16: 52
        +1
        You are considering a hypothetical conflict with China only in the form of hostilities. This is really not very relevant at the moment. However, now the economic struggle is coming to the fore.
        That is, the struggle for markets, cheap resources, high technology.
        Therefore, in theory, relations in the sphere of trade can become aggravated.
        But even if we consider cooperation with China, what it looks like: China receives oil and other natural resources from us cheaply, a small part of military technology from us, and what do we get?
        We get a lot of low-quality Chinese products (consumer goods, cars, consumer electronics).
        Of all Chinese imports, we may only need Chinese copies of some Western high-tech products, in case of sanctions.
        Of course I'm exaggerating. Nevertheless, it is obvious that it is much more profitable to cooperate with the EU, there both newer technologies and better consumer goods. And we sell gas with oil much more expensive than China.
        So not everything is so cloudless with China. Moreover, they make copies of our missile systems, aircraft, etc., after which they try to sell these copies cheaper.
        So, if there are conflicts, it is most likely due to sales markets, which does not detract from their importance.
  25. Aslan
    Aslan 17 May 2014 14: 38
    +7
    The fact that gunpowder must be kept dry with China is a fact, China certainly does not need a strong head-lifting Russia, it is also a fact, recently the narrow-eyed ones managed to snoop wherever possible, therefore, any body movement of Russia runs into China's interest.
  26. shiplover100
    shiplover100 17 May 2014 14: 43
    -2
    Stop talking!!! I want to come!!! Will the trunk be ????
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 17 May 2014 15: 25
      +3
      Where to go? And where? Or are you just interested in the trunk, sir? good
    2. vsoltan
      vsoltan 17 May 2014 15: 25
      0
      Where to go? And where? Or are you just interested in the trunk, sir? good
  27. naGua
    naGua 17 May 2014 14: 43
    +7
    I completely and completely agree with the article. At one time I had to work with "Chinese comrades". So they have never been and never will be "comrades". Nationalist and "pro-Chinese" positions have always been strong in China, from the point of view of the exclusiveness of China, as a one-of-a-kind "true" state. They have always considered and still consider themselves the center of the observable universe. And this is inherent in the subconscious of the average static Chinese. "Jun Guo" is the Middle State, they are the navel of the Earth, and their whole policy and ideology is based on this. Even if you look into their recent historical realities, China, being not the most powerful state, had unimaginable ambitions and appetites. What to say about modernity, when China has become a strong power in military and industrial terms. At the same time, it brazenly and without hesitation steals military and other technologies. So in the strategic plan, China is not an ally, but our main competitor and adversary, impudently and categorically pursuing exclusively "its own policy", with a smile on its face. I think that over time, China will replace the United States in the political arena. And this political and military opponent has a common border with us, 4250 km long, including only 700 km on land, while on the river (along the Amur, Argun, Ussuri, Sungach rivers) - 3480. Another 70 km the border runs along Lake Khanka. The Chinese dragon has grown and, I'm afraid, not far off, when it shows its teeth!
  28. Support
    Support 17 May 2014 14: 44
    0
    And in our Kamchatka, the chinas can be no more than three months .... Otherwise, the expulsion and the inability to visit a second time ... and subsequent
  29. homosum20
    homosum20 17 May 2014 14: 48
    +1
    Such friends are worse than enemies. You can fight enemies when it is convenient for us. And such friends inevitably turn into enemies at a convenient moment for them.
  30. VeteranS
    VeteranS 17 May 2014 14: 49
    +1
    The United States is really doing everything to drive a wedge between Western Europe, primarily Germany and Russia, and in conditions that the Anglo-American world order is collapsing, they definitely need to sow enmity and (or) at least mistrust between Russia and China. Hence the outbreak of the civil war in Ukraine and the open support of the bloody Kiev junta by American billions of dollars ... The financial elite of the United States and its allies are now most afraid of uniting the military-economic potential of Russia and China as the gravedigger of their Golden Calf empire.
    And as for the cautiousness of delivering our latest weapons to any, even friendly countries, I agree, first of all, Russia should become the most powerful military-economic power in the world!
  31. shelva
    shelva 17 May 2014 14: 50
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    name at least one premise for a warrior with China ???

    A huge difference in population density in the Russian-Chinese border region.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 May 2014 15: 03
      0
      Quote: shelva
      A huge difference in population density in the Russian-Chinese border region.

      Now is not the 19th century. Does the last name Khramchikhin tell you anything?
  32. Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 17 May 2014 14: 56
    +10
    I have always said and will continue to say that China is not our friend, we need to keep our ears open with it. These, at a convenient moment, will definitely stick a knife in the back. The story of Fr. Domansky. There is an interesting dock. I advise all defenders of China to watch the film "Hieroglyph of Friendship", the first film is dedicated to this very conflict. In addition, as a resident of Primorsky Territory, I want to note that since the collapse of the Union, all fortified areas on the border with China in Primorye have been eliminated, the grouping of troops has significantly thinned out, while China has improved its infrastructure and built roads to our border, that anyone who believes that this was done solely in economic interests is mistaken. I also note when the Chinese came to us in the mid-1s, they were so helpful, they would get in the ass without soap, and now those Chinese who have been living with us for a long time and have settled tightly show their true colors, they are smart-ass, evil and cruel. Who has been to Sunka I think they will agree with me. I do not like that they marry Russian girls and assimilate us, this is the cultivation of the 90th column on our land. Of course, there are decent people among the Chinese, but you should not relax the rolls.
  33. sv68
    sv68 17 May 2014 14: 56
    +2
    The Chinese are not fools, having their "hot spots" under any sauce they will not agree to the recognition of Crimea as a part of Russia, just as they do not recognize the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and all cooperation with Russia is exclusively built on commercial benefits, first of all, to obtain the necessary technologies or skills which China is not able or is not yet able to do sam.tak it is also profitable to receive gas from Russia knowing that we are a reliable supplier and the risk of force majeure is minimal. only if a dictator of an obvious Russophobe comes to power, then the probability of war increases many times over. however, the latest technology, which they themselves have little in arms about, is mistakenly sold to the PRC. Chinese clones will again appear based on illegally obtained development or unlicensed stolen prototypes
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 17 May 2014 21: 09
      +1
      You might think that the USSR did not steal German (cruise and ballistic missiles) and American (atomic bombs) technologies. Everyone steals, if not given. Blaming it is stupid. So the first killer of mankind would be the last.
  34. MAGGNUM
    MAGGNUM 17 May 2014 14: 57
    -2
    Obama is doing everything to make China support Russia more and more, during a trip to Asia, he did not even visit China, while he warmed up anti-Chinese sentiments in states such as the Philippines, etc. Instead, he sent the finance minister with the surname Liu to dissuade China from cooperating with Russia. Russia and China are connected by a huge number of different projects. Right now, a gas contract for 30 years will be signed. China has already transferred $ 20 billion to Rosneft for an oil contract to Russia. Yes, of course, it’s not worth relaxing in relations with China, the rules of politics do not allow them to openly recognize Crimea. But at this stage, it is China that is the real and worthy partner of Russia. Add India and the countries of the CIS and Latin America here and get a powerful coalition. That is why the Americans are all shit already !!!
  35. mamont5
    mamont5 17 May 2014 14: 59
    +2
    How can one talk about whether China is for us or not. In any case, China IS FOR YOURSELF. The same can be said of any other country, including Belarus and Kazakhstan. Each for himself and his neighbor supports, if this is beneficial to himself.
    This is the art of politics, to make it profitable for neighbors to support our country. The efforts of our diplomacy should be directed at this.
  36. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 17 May 2014 15: 03
    +1
    China has two heads of its own, Tibet and Xinjiang. If he begins to support separation through a referendum, after half a year they will be wrested from him by the friends of democracy. He cannot even object to the Vkiev military operation; he himself can do the same at any moment. And while it is impossible to answer the opinion of a two-faced west with such duplicity, the west is objectively stronger so far. And the war with China is so stupid that you can certainly start, but there will definitely not be a winner, there will be a couple of three radioactive deserts in Eurasia.
  37. Yarik
    Yarik 17 May 2014 15: 04
    +1
    jktu66 Today, 14:21 PM ↑ New
    there is no faith in anyone ... 40 million Chinese in uniform in preparation for military operations, weapons are no longer a bunch of outdated scrap metal, the Chinese military-industrial complex is gaining momentum. FOR WHAT??? It’s not against Mongolia to defend precisely. Siberia and Far East in Chinese textbooks - Russian land occupied by Russia

    In-in, this army is clearly not in the states were going to transfer by sea / air. It's funny. They drown / bring down. Then the question is: nah. they have such an army? Americans do not fight with millions, and we do not need it by definition. So nah.?
    1. _my opinion
      _my opinion 17 May 2014 15: 26
      +1
      ... why do they need such an army ??
      I quote:
      "Tension on the Korean Peninsula, conflict between China and Japan due to disputed territories, a dispute over the Spratly archipelago and the Paracel Islands, which are located in the South China Sea and are subject to territorial conflict between China, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia and Taiwan, there is already a significant amount of time. Everything suggests that the voltage in the Asia-Pacific Region is growing. Now in the Far East and Southeast Asia there is a war of nerves. The parties exchange statements, stand in a pose, ships and planes of the warring parties pass through the disputed territories, the disputed islands and shelves are being developed. Riots in Vietnam, there are dead and wounded. The protesters stormed Chinese and other foreign enterprises. It is difficult to predict when and where it will burn in full force. But one thing is obvious, US this situation is beneficial... America is ready to fight to the last drop of Korean, Japanese or Vietnamese's blood. The main target in the Asia-Pacific region is China. "

      more details here: http://topwar.ru/47610-tihookeanskiy-front-obretaet-ochertaniya.html

      .. The PRC is the largest holder of US debt, and the latter are making every effort to bring China down, including trying to quarrel China and Russia
  38. Lyton
    Lyton 17 May 2014 15: 05
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Sorry, but where exactly do I live?

    You live in the same place as I do, and it’s easier for us when the missiles fly to China, and they cut us up here or Vladivostok becomes the new Port Arthur, the meaning of the war in capturing new territories, as you know, the population density is far from the same and young Chinese learn that it was we who took the land from them.
  39. Palladium900
    Palladium900 17 May 2014 15: 08
    +2
    Maybe not quite on the topic, but it hit me yes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN4QPogKDQQ
    1. Warhead-xnumx
      Warhead-xnumx 17 May 2014 15: 17
      +4
      Good song! I sang it in the choir at the school.
  40. felix34
    felix34 17 May 2014 15: 20
    +6
    Grandfather - to a large fraternity of writers (moreover, often illiterate)!
    Someone who once taught at least a little at least a little at school, HISTORY, who read at least newspapers from the fifties and sixties of the PAST CENTURY, who heard at least something about the CER and the Damansky Peninsula, etc., he would completely agree with an article by Khramchikhin. Hooray patriots! It's time for you to grow wiser! All success to all!
    1. not main
      not main 18 May 2014 03: 31
      -1
      Quote: felix34
      Who once taught at school at least a little, at least on a torochka, HISTORY,

      I studied even higher than a C grade! And the relationship between the Russian Federation and China did not close on Damansky!
  41. Free wind
    Free wind 17 May 2014 15: 27
    +4
    The main cause of war for China is terrible overpopulation. And this problem can only be solved in two ways: first, the destruction of the population. ... second, this is the relocation of the population to free land. The first, civilized method of extermination, by restricting the birth rate, did not work in China. They continue to breed like cockroaches. It remains that ... war. in a war, new lands can be captured, and the excess population destroyed. And the fact that the Chinese are preparing for war is understandable to many. And the fact that the Chinas are rabid fanatics is known to all. Yes, the conflict in Damansky, the yellow-faced still have not given any explanation about the reasons for that aggression against the USSR. China is our main enemy, and only the Chinese can deny it. or their minions. China's land is infected with poisons. All rivers of China are poisoned, our ecologists admit it. The air of the cities of China on some calm days is unsuitable for breathing. And nearby .... clean rivers, taiga, BAIKAL !!!!!!
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 17 May 2014 21: 15
      -2
      In China, vast territories are not populated by humans at all. Who prevents them from conducting geological exploration, building processing plants, industry and populating these territories. No, because of laziness, they want to live only in areas where fertile land. Why do we have a densely populated Caucasus, and the mountains are the desert. Too lazy to work, only from under the stick and where it is easier.
  42. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 17 May 2014 15: 34
    +3
    Yes, China is a competitor, and a pragmatic one. But this competitor has the same problems as the lousy flea bitch. Our business is a pragmatic position. as well as Chinese. And Lavrov has shown more than once that we have left the unconditional support of the regimes, for the promise to be faithful like "I swear by my mother" during the union times. So who will replay whom is a big question. hi
  43. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 17 May 2014 15: 34
    +5
    Good article.
    China is far from being our friend and ally (as well as to any other state in the world) ... it's just a fellow traveler at a certain stage ... and only in that ... that China is interested.
    Regarding the sale of the latest weapons systems ... I would not recommend this to anyone at all ... let alone China copy everything and everything - first of all.
  44. vsoltan
    vsoltan 17 May 2014 15: 40
    +1
    Quote: Alekseev
    The Russian Federation needs Russia even as an ally in the peaceful struggle against US hegemony, but they do not need any fraternal friendship from us and we do not need them.

    Well, how much hegemony left that USA? And then what?
  45. Alexkorzun
    Alexkorzun 17 May 2014 15: 42
    +1
    Quote: mamont5
    How can one talk about whether China is for us or not. In any case, China IS FOR YOURSELF. The same can be said of any other country, including Belarus and Kazakhstan. Each for himself and his neighbor supports, if this is beneficial to himself.
    This is the art of politics, to make it profitable for neighbors to support our country. The efforts of our diplomacy should be directed at this.


    taking off my hat ! nobody is our brother, nobody. Fleet, army, aviation, nuclear weapons, missiles ... well, you know. We will be strong and thoughtful - they will be friends (or be afraid, but to us it makes no difference)
  46. b.t.a.
    b.t.a. 17 May 2014 15: 48
    +3
    China does not and will not have strategic partners for a long time. For a while, yes. Back in the 80s in Yakutia, I spoke with a Chinese. It struck me that he always spoke of great China and the great USSR. Russia (unfortunately) is not the USSR, but China is great for them. I think China is more a danger to us than even the Americans.
  47. levinson 1st
    levinson 1st 17 May 2014 16: 02
    -2
    Khramchikhin is a note pro-American and at the same time an ardent Sitaefob. All of his materials boil down to one thing: Kiaty is enemy No. 1 for Russia, and the West is our eternal and best friend. Only here the history of the last thousand years for some reason does not confirm this thesis.
  48. gozmosZh
    gozmosZh 17 May 2014 16: 02
    +1
    Tibet - independence!
  49. Averias
    Averias 17 May 2014 16: 04
    0
    Something that China was not very upset about (the land in Ukraine), since they want to build a canal in Nicaragua with Russia. And the port, who prevents them from building it with our participation? It is clear that the bummer came out with zemlyots. Well, so what? Moreover, the Yanukovych government denied this fact (why?). So things are not pure there (a gas terminal with Italians comes to mind. There is also no project, but 1 million money has already been stolen). The Chinese, with their cunning, apparently decided to crank up a scam - it didn’t work out. Catch up in another place, then they are the Chinese. And at the expense of military conflicts (as some write here) - with what fright? In fact, the PLA is only in the propaganda of China - a super army, in fact, not everything is so super. And indeed, a conflict with us is not beneficial for China, why would they sign a contract for 30 years (hydrocarbons)? As the Chinese politician (I don’t remember who) said - they still have a fresh memory of the incident at Damansky.
  50. Palych9999
    Palych9999 17 May 2014 16: 12
    0
    It is necessary once and for all to stop selling the latest weapons to the main potential enemy.
    If in the 90s this was justified by the need to support the existence of the Russian defense industry, which was left without internal orders (especially since then Beijing bought large quantities of military equipment in significant amounts), today this motive has disappeared, but others have not appeared.
    The defense industry does not have enough capacity to fulfill domestic orders.
    In addition, we have a sufficient number of other buyers who are not potential opponents. And besides, now China is acquiring equipment in minimal batches, and its sole purpose is to steal technology.