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Juche reality and myths about the DPRK

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Juche reality and myths about the DPRKRecently, the media and the blogosphere have ticked the nerves of shocking readers. news that the head of the DPRK, Kim Jong-un, personally burned down from the flame thrower the Minister of Public Security. Someone was horrified by this, and someone even grunted approvingly - they say, it’s necessary to these enemies of the people, these corrupt officials, we would have that way. (By the way, on the spot of our officials, I would seriously think about the “bloodthirstiness” of the people in relation to corrupt officials.) Meanwhile, it turned out that this whole thriller turned out to be a “duck”. In detail history K. Asmolov, a researcher at the Center for Korean Studies at the Institute of Far Eastern Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, dismantled the shooting. He drew attention to the fact that the media cite only one source - a message in the British newspaper Daily Mail. And this newspaper, in turn, refers to the South Korean newspaper "Choson Ilbo", known for its anti-North Korean orientation. Suffice it to say that this publication claimed that the PRC had deployed its troops into one of the DPRK free economic zones. (She also wrote about “shooting from a grenade launcher” and other nonsense.) At the same time, “Joseon Ilbo” itself simply reported about the “fiery” shooting, without referring to anything at all. I am afraid that this source potentially exists only in the imagination of the authors of such “hot news,” notes N. Asmolov. “But the DPRK remains in the target of hostile propaganda, the mass audience loves horror and sensation, and the combination of this with the closeness of North Korea and its reputation forces the editors not to send such ducks directly to the basket. Suddenly they will be true! ”


It turns out, as in the well-known joke - “stolen” spoons were found, but the sediment still remained. That is, it is obvious that about the DPRK we are supplied with a lot of abundant misinformation, trying (and quite successfully!) To create an image of a sort of “Mordor”, an ominous kingdom of darkness. Why - quite understandably, the world plutocracy is annoyed by the fact that there is a small country in the world that allows itself to live by its own rules, which differ from the norms and guidelines of global capitalism.

I must say that we know very little about the DPRK. The media provides information very, very dosed, focusing on bikes about terrible reprisals. North Korea is trying to present a sort of reserve "barracks socialism" and the last stronghold of "communist dogmatism." Meanwhile, just the DPRK is one of the most unorthodox socialist countries, which seems to be one of the main reasons for the survival of socialism there - and, moreover, of the present, and not “market”, as in the PRC. Here, first of all, it is necessary to touch upon the Juche ideology, which is enshrined in the constitution and is official. In principle, it is more than ideology. We are talking about some kind of philosophy and even something of a sacral tradition. Juche is an ancient philosophical term used by medieval Korean thinkers. “Chu” means “master”, “cho” - “nature, essence, substance, body”. Several of his interpretations are given - “originality”, “main part”, “self-reliance”, “thing from the point of view of the subject”, “man as the master of himself and the surrounding world”. Here are combined the “elements” of religion, traditionalism and socialism. And in the center of everything is placed the subject, resolutely overcoming and subjugating the surrounding reality.

No matter how strange it seems, but “Jucheheism” intersects with “early” Marxism, more precisely, the ideas that Marx expressed in his “Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of the Year 1844”. In them, he developed a theory of alienation, according to which a person opposes both the reality around him and his own active nature, alienated from himself. The revolutionary philosopher states a state of “self-alienation.” A person is characterized by "an attitude ... to his own activities as something alien ... this is self-alienation, whereas the discussion above referred to the alienation of a thing." Throughout its history, a person is engaged in precisely that which overcomes this alienation, and it is possible and necessary to bring this process to the end in the course of the free activity of public individuals. Then he will become a true subject who has restored his destroyed universal integrity. All this is very consonant with the senses laid down in the word “Juche” - Marx’s “social individual” is called upon to become just such a subject of “chu” who will be master of “che” - body, nature, substance, etc. Actually, only the worldview as “Juche” can become the spiritual and political backbone of a small country with limited resources, which, nevertheless, strives for genuine subjectivity and independence.

In the subject, volitional overcoming and conquest of all external, is the essence of Marxism - the original teachings of Marx. All the rest is political-economic superstructures, made, both by himself and his followers, to many of which he treated ironically, saying that if what they are talking about is Marxism, then he is not a Marxist. Subsequently, these "Marxists" paid so much attention to the so-called. “Objective preconditions” necessary for the transition to a new stage of social development. As a result, revolutionary, in fact, Marxism, was reduced to the level of social reformism, called to “improve” capitalism, waiting until it “ripens” to socialism. Social democracy, which has chosen this “objectivism”, has now “forgotten” about Marx, having finally turned into a “left-liberal” movement. In Marxism, however, there was and is a “subjectivist” direction, which seeks not so much to conform to objective conditions (although this is important), but rather to overcome them, based on a scientific approach. The most prominent representative of this revolutionary trend was V. Lenin, who believes that Russia does not necessarily have to go through all the stages of the development of industrial capitalism, and it can use the already existing industrial structure to carry out a socialist revolution. Opponents of Lenin from among the social reformists often reproached the leader for being reactionary, in an attempt to push socialism into a "backward", agrarian and patriarchal country. In a certain sense, these accusations are true, the Bolsheviks really scooped their energy in the non-bourgeois, agrarian-communal mentality of peasant Russia (S. Kara-Murza writes a lot and interestingly in the fundamental work “Soviet Civilization”). Therefore, they managed to overcome the then supporters of Westernization, which would inevitably turn Russia into the periphery of the West. Bolshevism was strong because it activated traditionalism. And this was typical of some other non-Western countries - in particular, for China and, most importantly, for our conversation - North Korea. Jucheism is in the semantic field of the Tradition, which is based on the desire to overcome the alienation between the Absolute and man, in the course of which man himself becomes “perfect”, reaching the state of some higher “I”.

By the way, in North Korea, unlike in many other communist countries, there has never been any struggle with religion. In addition to the ruling Labor Party of Korea, there are two other parties in the country - the Social Democratic Party and the Party of Young Friends of the heavenly path. It includes adherents of the religious movement "Chondogyo" ("Heavenly Way"), which emerged in the nineteenth century. It is characterized by the interweaving of the “elements” of Buddhism, Christianity, Taoism and Confucianism. The followers of the “Heavenly Way” emphasize the unity of God and man (moreover, the Absolute does not exist here separately from the human person), but at the same time refuse to recognize their equality. Hence the demand to contribute in every way to the improvement of human society on earth. In the country's parliament and its presidium, 50 members of the PDDP are sitting, it has 10 thousands of members, and this refutes the claim that the party is just one of the departments of the TPK Central Committee. An interesting fact is that the party leader Ryu Miyon was married to Choi Toxin, the foreign minister of South Korea (1961 – 1963). Together they fled to the DPRK. In South Korea, by the way, there are also sympathizers of North Korea. Some of them emphasize left-wing ideas, socialism, others are convinced nationalists who put the idea of ​​a united Korea above all. Against them, it happens, the real repressions unfold. So, last year, three members of a moderate United Progressive Party were arrested on charges of organizing a coup d'état, serving only for the cooperation of two Koreas. The Supreme Court of South Korea passed a ruling by which music that glorifies the DPRK is illegal. In the 2010 year, for storing audio files with marches of North Korea, a woman was sentenced to four years of imprisonment, who was even tried under a pseudonym - “Song” (translated from English - “song”).

And here it is impossible not to overlook the fact that it was the DPRK that repeatedly proposed to the South to create a single Confederation. Kim Il Sung emphasized: “The North and the South should think about unification, putting the interests of the nation first. Classes, ideologies exist in the presence of a nation. Communism, nationalism, faith in God are powerless when there is no nation. You should not rely on other teachings, if they do not care about their people. If we have a national idea, then our task is to unite all patriots into a single force. ” It is worth noting that here the idea is being held that the ideology of nationalism is not at all identical with the nation and can be separated from it.

The ideology of the DPRK is full of powerful, traditional symbolism that leads to the meanings of the Tradition. “The symbols of the“ sun ”and“ stars ”play an important role in mythology, - notes O. Gutsulyak in his research. - Since 8 July 1997 of the year in North Korea, a new “chuchkhe counting” has been adopted, the beginning of which is 1912 year - the year of birth of Kim Sung Joo, who took the name of Kim Il Sung (“Rising Sun”). The son of Kim Il Sung Kim Jong Il, who is believed to be born in Pektusan secret guerrilla camp in a timbered hut on North Korea's highest and most respected mountain - Pektusan (Samdzhiyon county), and the names “Sun of the Nation” and “Great Man Who Descended from Heaven” at that moment a double rainbow and a bright star appeared in the sky. In 1992, state sculptors embossed a huge 216 meter-wide inscription on Mount Päktusan: “Pektu, the Holy Mountain of the Revolution”, and soon Kim Jong Il received the title of “Bright Pectusan Star”. In accordance with the North Korean legend ... Hwanun, the father of the founder of the first Korean state, Kochoson, came down from the sky to the mountain. At the top of the mountain in the crater of the volcano is the Heavenly Lake, from which originates the river Sungari ”.

Juche goes beyond the limitations of inherent in both idealism, which closes itself in abstract spirituality, and materialism, which places faceless matter at the forefront. At the center of Juche is a person understood as a subject that connects the spiritual and the material. It is clear that here it does not mean only the personality of a person - especially in the liberal-individualistic interpretation. The subject of Juche is also a collective subject, which is embodied in the people, in the nation. In essence, Juche is nationalism, but only radical socialist.

Here is a brief, but very capacious characteristic of this curious teaching, given “from the side”: “The masses act as the subject of the public movement. A nation with a high sense of national pride and revolutionary dignity is invincible. In contrast to the capitalist economy, which seeks profit, the main goal of a socialist independent economy is to meet the needs of the country and the population. The people of each country must fight not only against aggression and enslavement, for the consistent defense of their independence, but also against imperialism and dominationism that encroach on the independence of the peoples of other countries. To establish a nationwide and all-state defense system, it is necessary to arm all the people and turn the whole country into a fortress. A revolution is a struggle for the masses to realize their needs for independence. To sit with folded arms, waiting for all the necessary conditions to ripen, is tantamount to giving up the revolution. In order to work out the correct view of the revolution, it is imperative to put in the basis of education a feeling of selfless devotion to the party and the leader. ” (A. Alexandrov. "Juche Ideas").

Well, this is ideology, politics. But what about the economy? It is believed that the national economy of the DPRK is a purely centralized, command-administrative economy of the so-called. "Barracks-communist" type. But this, again, is another myth. In the DPRK, there has never been some kind of stagnant, stagnant system. There have been attempts to reorganize the system of planned economic management. In this regard, it was initiated the preparation of planning tasks not only from above, but also from below.

Moreover, the country began “market” reforms designed to create conditions for private business in a “market-free” and planned socialism. The directors of factories and factories had the opportunity to independently set wages and introduce many additional incentives. In agriculture, there are farms, and the collective farms have the right to dispose of the surplus of the crop. Many distribution restrictions are eliminated.

Here it would be interesting to refer to the opinion of A. Lankov, a professor at Kukmin University (Seoul): “Over time, the North Korean business began to grow and take on more and more complex forms: private workshops (mainly engaged in the production of consumer goods), exchange - even private baths. Subsequently, those who rose in small business, began to open and larger enterprises - for example, mines and saltworks. (“Leader’s Man: How Businessmen Live in North Korea”)

All this is like a function of a socialist economy, sometimes a private enterprise is difficult to distinguish from a state enterprise, so intertwined is it all. As such, there is no capitalist structure, but there is an effective use of personal activity - for the benefit of the entire economy of the country. A. Lankov notes: “The attitude of the North Korean authorities to everything that happened was and remains ambivalent. On the one hand, from time to time they campaign against private business. In particular, such actions were actively carried out in 2005 – 2009 (however, even then it was usually not the case for arrests — they were limited by economic pressure). On the other hand, the authorities tolerate entrepreneurs ... "

It is clear that the leadership of the party and the country itself does not focus on these reforms, not wanting to propagandize "market values", involving many people in it. Here is the opinion of another expert, the regional director for Asia and Africa and the head of the regional projects management of the Russkiy Mir Foundation, G. Tolorai: Even if there are reforms, they will be called differently. But if we put aside the conversation about the conceptual apparatus, I want to remind you that in North Korea and before Kim Jong-un they tried to change something. Obviously, some changes are being carried out now ... reforms should not always be accompanied by complete openness. It was the Chinese model - “reform and openness”, and let the DPRK create its own. It is possible. " (“The DPRK is on the threshold of reforms.” The interview was taken by O. Kiryanov, published in the Russian newspaper. ”)

No matter how you feel about the North Korean model of socialism, one cannot but admit that the DPRK is a country that has managed to combine identity with dynamic development. One-dimensional judgments are irrelevant here.
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  1. Baikal
    Baikal 18 May 2014 06: 51
    +13
    Well done, whatever you say. They continue to live in very difficult conditions and do not lose themselves.
    There is something to learn, brothers Slavs.
    And all of this is largely due to the fact that they stifled the foulbrood at the top and the country works as it should. Note to the President, so to speak ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 07: 28
      +3
      Quote: Baikal
      There is something to learn, brothers Slavs.

      Have you ever been to North Korea yourself? In the coffin I saw their teachings .... in white slippers of the sun-like.
      1. Baikal
        Baikal 18 May 2014 07: 42
        +2
        Dear, I’m not talking about walking in formation, but about unity in the face of multiple external threats.
        Read carefully.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 07: 46
          +5
          Quote: Baikal
          but about unity in the face of multiple external threats.

          There is no cohesion there, do not invent. What they show on TV and tell reporters is very different from reality. Open their borders and they will rush in droves from their sun-like and his paradise.
          1. Baikal
            Baikal 18 May 2014 07: 54
            +7
            So if you were in Tahiti - well, write an article, indicate where the journalists are uploading, open the question, describe your impressions - everything is as it should be. There will be more trust in you on VO than on left-wing articles.
            And then throw yourself at all, heel yourself in the chest with a heel. What for? wink
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 08: 01
              +9
              Quote: Baikal
              And then throw yourself at all, heel yourself in the chest with a heel. What for?

              I didn’t rush at you, I say it as it is. The author presents the salty under the sweet. And if you write that we have something to learn from them, then you yourself should ride there and write an article.
              I have nothing to learn from them.
              But you are on vacation, if you’re tearing somewhere, it’s definitely not in the DPRK, is it wink
          2. blizart
            blizart 18 May 2014 08: 17
            +9
            . Open to them the borders and they will rush in droves from their sun-like and his paradise.

            As you did it 23 years ago, you Russians, so that for an insignificant period by historical standards, you will be convinced that you are not expected anywhere, moreover, they do not love you as before. But there is a significant difference between the Russians and us, it was you who raised the torch of the doctrine, which we, to the best of our (small) forces, are trying to carry it longer and you did not drop it from your weakening hands, but simply threw it away as (as you thought) unnecessary. And what do you think, is it easy to live within its means (limited by long-term sanctions) for an entire people, surrounded by countries "chomping" on debt?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 08: 25
              +2
              Quote: blizart
              ... And what do you think, is it easy to live within its means (limited by long-term sanctions) for an entire people, surrounded by countries "chomping" on debt?

              Well, go for a ride to the DPRK, spend some money, help the country's budget. But no, you’ll rush to Cyprus or somewhere else, but not to the DPRK. Many people know how to hypocrite us, but the reality is off scale.
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 18 May 2014 12: 52
                +3
                Greetings, Sasha!
                But you know, I would drive to the kim for a week ...
                Every Bulgarians and Egyptians are familiar, I would like to try to plunge into the "totalitarian razhym". How to fall into a pioneer carefree childhood.
                That's the thing with him, and I want to congratulate everyone.
                Happy Pioneer Day! With the upcoming ... Well, with the past childhood.
                I want to believe that everyone is carefree ...
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 13: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: Ptah
                  How to fall into a pioneering carefree childhood.

                  Hi Vadim. Drive, that's something, but the pioneers are there. Like dogs uncut laughing You’ll even be given a tie if you ask well.
                  Quote: Ptah
                  Happy Pioneer Day!

                  I even remember how to tie a tie winked
      2. Ujin61
        Ujin61 18 May 2014 09: 24
        +1
        If you yourself have visited so write what you saw.
    2. copper49
      copper49 18 May 2014 09: 35
      +2
      It, of course, is all wonderful in this North Korea. First of all, with the idea of ​​juche. But how things are in the real economy, how the people live - not a word specifically. Poor they live, very poor. And they have an army of more than a million people, with a population of 23 million. And the United States fed and feed them, sending hundreds of thousands of tons of wheat. Now compare with South Korea. What kind of economic dynamics can we talk about if they keep secret this very dynamics, and in general the state of their economy? With this approach, it would be possible to sing the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia, there are always pluses. If you wish. If you cross out the cons.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 18 May 2014 11: 24
        +3
        What kind of economic dynamics can we talk about if they keep secret this very dynamics, and in general the state of their economy?
        So, if there is no information, it is necessary to say that it is not. But not:
        The media cite only one source - a report in the British newspaper Daily Mail. And this newspaper, in turn, refers to the South Korean newspaper "Joseon Ilbo" ... At the same time, "Joseon Ilbo" itself simply reported ... without referring to anything at all.

        Crap .... oh, sorry, DEMO-kraticheskie media should be higher than such receptions. Carry and sow good and bright, be crystal honest and unbiased ...
        Where is all this?
        I will be the first to shout out "condemn" towards the DPRK, if they prove to me on the facts that they are byaki. And the above-mentioned clumsy methods of the OBS level and yelling "Stop the thief!" for me an empty sound and as-beeeee hint at the uncleanliness of those who are wailing.
        Well, about poverty ... Poverty is not a vice. Especially if a bunch of frostbitten ambuls with oak trees are constantly on duty outside the gates for decades and are not allowed to leave the yard, even to the pharmacy.
      2. yushch
        yushch 18 May 2014 11: 38
        +1
        Well, NOW YOU TOLD ABOUT THE MINUSES, AND ABOUT THE PROSES HUMIDLY SILENT. AND THE AUTHOR DID EVERYTHING EXACTLY ON THE TURNOVER.
    3. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 18 May 2014 20: 40
      +2
      Quote: Baikal
      Well done, whatever you say. They continue to live in very difficult conditions and do not lose themselves.
      There is something to learn, brothers Slavs.
      And all of this is largely due to the fact that they stifled the foulbrood at the top and the country works as it should. Note to the President, so to speak ...

      DPRK is the brightest and most joyful country !!! fellow


      DPRK leader of high-tech labor and equality !!!fellow


      DPRK has the best public transport in the world !!! fellow


      In the DPRK, everyone enjoys free housing !!! fellow


      DPRK is famous for its trade variety !!! fellow


      .... and food abundance !!! fellow


      DPRK residents regularly cry with happiness !!! fellow
      1. builder
        builder 18 May 2014 21: 27
        +2
        With great desire, you can make such a selection of photos about Israel (as well as about any other country), your hair will stand on end.
        1. builder
          builder 18 May 2014 21: 30
          0
          By the way, the Arabs are constantly doing this ... And not only the Arabs.
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 18 May 2014 22: 39
            +1
            Quote: stroitel
            By the way, the Arabs are constantly doing this ... And not only the Arabs.

            Well, the flag is in their hands, people do not starve with us, they do not live in unsanitary conditions, everything is fine with the economy, social services and medicine are coping. A photo of a lonely homeless alcoholic will not reflect the general situation, and shooting with us like that is not prohibited.

            Here - please, I do not mind laughing

        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 18 May 2014 22: 28
          +1
          Quote: stroitel
          With great desire, you can make such a selection of photos about Israel (as well as about any other country), your hair will stand on end.

          You can, I don’t argue, but this is a photo selection of their DAILY accidentally filmed by tourists due to an oversight of their GB.
          In other countries, everything is diametrically opposite, ordinary people take a completely normal picture, and only ordering pulls all the dirt to the surface.
          In the DPRK, Custom photos show how all hurtand ordinary people take off THIS! request
    4. chudoudodelt
      chudoudodelt 19 May 2014 01: 17
      +1
      But should they live in difficult conditions? after all, you can actually build a semblance of a communist state, discard their current under-leader and not live in slavery with a golden boy - the emperor of all the DPRK. Perhaps life will get better ??
  2. Polarfox
    Polarfox 18 May 2014 07: 16
    +4
    Respect to the author and plus from the heart. We have more and more bipolar judgments based on fried facts from the Internet, but here the person approached the topic seriously, carefully studied the issue from all sides. This speaks of the professionalism of the journalist. I am glad for my colleague, and even a little envious. In the routine of editorial affairs, it is not always possible to "suck" factual material so thoroughly as to release such detailed material "to the mountain".
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 07: 30
      +1
      Quote: Polarfox
      to give such detailed material "on the mountain".

      And what is objectivity?
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 18 May 2014 11: 29
        +2
        And what is objectivity?
        With all due respect. You have detailed information from personal experience - share, think, discuss. Indeed, the information vacuum is on the face.
        Do not have? - Do not be like the Daily Mail and Joseon Ilbo.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 12: 41
          +2
          Quote: abrakadabre
          Indeed, the information vacuum is on the face.

          And you did not think what this vacuum is connected with? I was there at the beginning of the 2000s, everything was so bad at the border, both the phone and the camera. For their prices, like in the USSR, and for the sky-high tourists, it’s even easy to fuck. a penny and you really have enough 100 rubles to sit well all evening and still remain. Well, there is also a problem if someone calls the cops, you are stupidly raked, the nationality of Russian will not matter. It was difficult, even just to go shopping alone tour operator. Now it’s not easier, almost everything is the same. So what kind of freedom is there, nothing to say, a real regime, even for tourists.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 18 May 2014 12: 53
            +2
            a real regime, even for tourists.
            Perhaps for tourists first.
            :)

            Did you manage to learn anything about the health care system, education, social protection at that time? Popular leisure activities? After all, they don't have Dom-2 and all sorts of Instagram with school-speaking chats and ZhZhchkami. Maybe they like to read books about "spaceships ply" or go in for sports. Or are they just chronically sleeping off in the evenings from totalitarian slave labor?

            PS I’m glad to tell you to share.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 13: 26
              +2
              Quote: abrakadabre


              Did you manage to learn anything about the healthcare system, education, social protection?

              Yes, they will not just rake you for such questions on the street, they will put you in prison and the Foreign Ministry laughing
              Quote: abrakadabre
              Popular leisure activities?

              To drink beer in bars and relax on the streets, right in the lawns of public parks, crowds of people. request
              Quote: abrakadabre
              No, because they have House-2

              Of course not, there was only 1 channel there at that time. Yes, and now they say he stayed on. They keep talking about the victories of the party and personally the salt-like one all the time. laughing
              Quote: abrakadabre
              Maybe they like to read books about "spaceships ply" or do sports

              It’s easier for me to talk to them than there. They stupidly shy when you roll up to them. Although we didn’t really roll up, they look at you like a young hamster looks at an elk belay
          2. Mikhail Filippov
            Mikhail Filippov 30 November 2017 17: 10
            0
            You can take a picture in the DPRK. But what the guide will allow. You can’t walk yourself. Only with a guide. The mobile phone is not taken. Among other things, you can enter the DPRK as a student in order to study the Korean language or as a member of the Communist Party - in order to get acquainted with the ideas of Juche
  3. wiktoor
    wiktoor 18 May 2014 07: 20
    +2
    There is very little information about this country, and our journalists do not go there.
    Everything is presented in black light.
    But what is published is not happy.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 07: 29
      +3
      Quote: wiktoor
      There is very little information about this country, and our journalists do not go there.

      Ride yourself, feel like a millionaire. For 100 rubles you will have a good rest in a local bar and still remain.
      1. user1212
        user1212 18 May 2014 07: 41
        +1
        And what is experience? Were there?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 07: 48
          +3
          Quote: user1212
          And what is experience? Were there?

          There was a second time if I went. I have never seen more moronism.
          1. rambook
            rambook 18 May 2014 08: 04
            +2
            I do not see a photo reportage with "moronism", I see only a continuous "blah blah".
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 08: 11
              +5
              Quote: rambook
              I do not see a photo reportage with "moronism", I see only a continuous "blah blah".

              Drive there and find out that your fotik will be taken there upon arrival, as well as the mobile. They will give me a mobile phone, but another one. You can order photos from the authorities, they will take you off wherever you want.
              Here, in the comments, Niodin was not in the DPRK, but everyone is hijacking-WHAT ???????????
              The people do not grow wiser, but seem to get dumber. And most importantly they write that everything is wonderful there. Then the question is that you can’t drive all of you with kicks.
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 18 May 2014 11: 33
                +1
                Here, in comments, not a single one was in the DPRK, but everyone is cheering, WHAT?
                I do not admire, but I demand information. Like most of those present, by the way. Age and horizons are not the same as to uncritically perceive everything, following the example of the same maydaunov.
                You conspiratorially throw meaningful phrases of a person who has been there, but give nothing detailed.
                wink
                Do not torture you to share
                hi
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 12: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: abrakadabre
                  I do not admire, but I demand information. Like most of those present, by the way.

                  Yes?
                  Quote: Baikal
                  Well done, whatever you say. They continue to live in very difficult conditions and do not lose themselves.
                  There is something to learn, brothers Slavs.

                  Quote: Polarfox
                  Respect to the author and a plus from the heart. We have more and more bipolar judgments based on fried facts from the Internet, and here a person approached the topic seriously

                  This was especially liked, he does not mind that he scooped this article from the Internet. Everyone wants to hear what he wants to hear and nothing more.
                  1. abrakadabre
                    abrakadabre 18 May 2014 13: 00
                    0
                    Quote: abrakadabre
                    I do not admire, but I demand information.

                    Yes?
                    Quote: Baikal
                    Quote: Polarfox

                    Hmm ... I think it’s somewhat incorrect to put an equal sign between my point of view and the point of view of third parties.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 13: 27
                      +3
                      Quote: abrakadabre
                      Hmm ... I think it’s somewhat incorrect to put an equal sign between my point of view and the point of view of third parties.

                      I would not bet if ...
                      Quote: abrakadabre
                      . Like most of those present, by the way.

                      Most stupidly give a plus, minus and bugut in a different topic.
              2. Greenwood
                Greenwood 18 May 2014 13: 46
                +1
                No one has been taking a camera or a mobile for several years, even if they would have read it. They allow you to use your own, you can even buy a SIM card to call within the country and use a mobile net. You can’t take pictures only of the military and military equipment. The country is not rich, but living there is clearly better than in any thread in Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Pakistan or India. And despite the fact that, unlike most of the countries listed, the DPRK is lined with all imaginable and unimaginable sanctions. The country's army is generally considered one of the strongest and most numerous in the world. Scoop he is a scoop.
                1. Mikhail Filippov
                  Mikhail Filippov 30 November 2017 17: 12
                  0
                  I’d better say this: you can take a picture of what the guide will allow
            2. GRAY
              GRAY 18 May 2014 10: 38
              +1
              Photos with comments 2004 http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 13: 35
                +1
                Quote: GRAY
                Photos with comments 2004

                This photo is not an ordinary store, but purely for foreigners. In 004, it was not much different from 2002, there was a shank in stores, as we had in 1988 when everything was on coupons.
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  4. Fedor Bolts
    Fedor Bolts 18 May 2014 07: 31
    -4
    Yesterday Prokhanov sang about this reserve of happiness, today here. If the UN has officially recognized the famine in the DPRK on several occasions. And the abandonment of its nuclear program for oil and food. The country maintains an army equal to ours. There is not even a GULAG, there is a concentration camp country. It is good for the authors to live here, and to broadcast about "happiness" there. Reminiscent of the film "Window to Paris." How a former dissident dreamed of giving everything in order to instantly get to St. Petersburg, and how he howled at the monument to Ilyusha Kartaviy (Ulyanov-Lenin). Thank God that this happiness ended long ago.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 07: 50
      +2
      Quote: Fedor Boltov
      Yesterday Prokhanov sang about this reserve of happiness

      Also saw this nonsense, Prokhanov drove like an uncontrollable engine laughing
      1. blizart
        blizart 18 May 2014 08: 20
        +1
        The words of Prokhanov addressed to you and Korea, agree a little different things.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 08: 27
          +1
          Quote: blizart
          The words of Prokhanov addressed to you and Korea, agree a little different things.

          Ride in the DPRK that you are sitting here. Ride and live freely and happily if you can laughing Get a prestigious job for which you will be paid 20 bucks a month, at the official rate. At the black market rate, you will receive $ 5-7. Good luck on the trip. Upon arrival, be sure to write off your success wassat
          1. blizart
            blizart 18 May 2014 09: 07
            +5
            Ride in the DPRK that you are sitting here. Ride and live freely and happily if you can
            Roman, to your happiness I am not sitting here (in Russia) and moving to the territory where we were forcibly resettled, by the way, your state is true of the 37 model of the year. I can also move to South Korea (lightly), but our tragedy is that we became people of Russian culture as a result of historical processes that you do not take into account in your reasoning. We are so Russian that even in a hurry we will not write, and go and we are so Russian that they wouldn’t even say this to you (if you had to live with us)
    2. Baikal
      Baikal 18 May 2014 08: 10
      +12
      Quote: Fedor Bolts
      Thank God that this happiness has long ended with us.



      Really, how good it was all over, right? ..
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 08: 29
        +5
        Quote: Baikal
        Really, how good it was all over, right? ..

        Sobchak for whom laid out? Nobody needs it, and Russia in particular.
        1. Baikal
          Baikal 18 May 2014 08: 44
          +2
          Sobchak for whom laid out?

          Apparently, for Fedor Boltov.
          Visual level of culture. Don't like sopchak? You can put any other "youth icon" in its place.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 08: 51
            +4
            Quote: Baikal
            You can put any other "youth icon" in its place.

            With what snowstorm did this horse become an icon of youth? You look at the site here, what fashion clothes thinks of and writes about her.
            1. Baikal
              Baikal 18 May 2014 09: 28
              +3
              It is only a symbol of those impurities that pour from TV and a symbol of those "values" that Western "culture" is trying to instill in us.
              I don’t know which planet you specifically live on, so I’ll tell you the news - it is there and is still widely covered in the media space so far, no matter how sorry. And to deny the influence of her kind on the younger generation is stupid as well as pretending not to notice. If all youth from your bell tower rejected this porn, everything is in order - I am happy for you. In reality, everything is a little different.
  5. ALEX74
    ALEX74 18 May 2014 07: 34
    +4
    Koreans are normal guys, I talked with them, they are real patriots of their country, and not like many of us.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 07: 52
      +4
      Quote: ALEX74
      Koreans are normal guys, I talked with them, they are real patriots of their country

      We have a lot of work in our city, they drink a lot of beer, their favorite Baltic is 9. Regarding patriotism, I didn’t see it. Ordinary men rushed to work.
      1. ALEX74
        ALEX74 18 May 2014 07: 58
        +1
        I worked with them and talked a lot.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 08: 30
          +1
          Quote: ALEX74
          I worked with them and talked a lot.

          Well, I say, they don’t like to drink at all laughing
      2. blizart
        blizart 18 May 2014 08: 23
        +1
        Are these the Soviet Koreans? (Which I don’t believe), the Koreans from RK? (Which I don’t believe at all), but if they are from the DPRK, then what is all this bodyagie about the Gulag, concentration camp, etc.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 08: 39
          +2
          Quote: blizart
          Are these Soviet Koreans? (Which I don’t believe), Koreans from RK? (Which I don’t believe at all)

          In the DPRK, everyone drinks beer in bulk, it’s been built there, almost in a cult. When they come here, they try to try everything that’s on fire laughing
          Drive at least in the Far East and here you will believe everything.
          1. blizart
            blizart 18 May 2014 09: 10
            +1
            Well, and the Finns, the light of civilization, to you for the same.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 09: 54
              +2
              Well, I did not immediately answer ...
              Quote: blizart
              to you for the same.
              You are so Russified that you are writing not to US, but to YOU. Noticed.
              1. blizart
                blizart 18 May 2014 12: 03
                +1
                I have become Russified, but I do not live in Russia (unfortunately) so all the same to you
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 12: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: blizart
                  I have become Russified, but I do not live in Russia (unfortunately) so all the same to you

                  It’s all the more strange to compare S.Koreitsev and the Finns who come to the alcoholic tours. Some of them didn’t see this abundance in their eyes, while others come to Russia because it’s cheaper to get drunk.
  6. Free wind
    Free wind 18 May 2014 08: 11
    +1
    I liked the statement of Kim Il Sung, Communism, nationalism, faith in God - are powerless when there is no nation! In Korea, of course, for us, of course, there is a lot of incomprehensible. And they choose some kind of exotic executions, Then 10 generals were shot from a mortar, because they did not cry very loudly at the funeral of Kim Jong Il, then from a flamethrower. Yes, the captain of the red army, Kim Il Sung, created North Korea, it exists. developing. But here is Eun some, in my opinion, well, he has a roof going or something.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 08: 31
      0
      Quote: Free Wind
      But here is Eun some, in my opinion, well, he has a roof going or something.

      There is no doubt about it.
      1. blizart
        blizart 18 May 2014 08: 55
        +1
        Tell me honestly, would you really not want to conditionally say Serdyukov did the same as with corrupt officials in Korea? Those. shot him say ... from a howitzer!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 09: 02
          +4
          Quote: blizart
          corrupt officials in Korea? Those. shot him say ... from a howitzer!

          According to the DPRK leaders, they have no corruption! They have traitors to the idea. As for executions from howitzers and mortars, I’m not so clumsy.
          Guilty-piss fuck *** and confiscate everything to a penny.
          Because my answer to you, I do not support executions from howitzers is blatant schizophrenia.
  7. Baikal
    Baikal 18 May 2014 08: 32
    +2
    I found interesting photos and simply reports on the journey of A. Lebedev to Sev. Korea.
    I recommend, informative!

    http://tema.ru/travel/north-korea-1/
    http://tema.ru/travel/north-korea-2/
    http://tema.ru/travel/north-korea-3/
    http://tema.ru/travel/north-korea-4/
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 08: 37
      +1
      Quote: Baikal
      I recommend, informative!

      Yeah especially this laughing

      So that local residents are not tempted to sail across the sea abroad, the entire coastline (in this case, along the Sea of ​​Japan) is equipped with bulk shafts, in front of which there is a fence with barbed wire and voltage. To remove this, of course, is prohibited.
      Glory to the DPRK, Glory to the freest country in the world. Full Shiz wassat
      1. Baikal
        Baikal 18 May 2014 08: 42
        0
        That's about it wink
        This material is slightly different than in the article)
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 08: 53
          0
          Quote: Baikal
          This material is slightly different than in the article)

          That is the reality! So what are you trying to set as an example?
          1. Baikal
            Baikal 18 May 2014 09: 37
            +2
            That is the reality! So what are you trying to set as an example?

            The article focuses a lot on Juche philosophy and how North Korea (as a country) has established itself in the world no matter what. And that makes me respect them.
            Own idea and desire for independence. What is not an example?
            In the proposed photo reviews and notes - the realities of the life of the DPRK. Thus, I am trying to consider the topic diversely. To paraphrase you:
            That is the reality! So what are you unhappy with again?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 09: 48
              0
              Quote: Baikal

              The article focuses on Juche philosophy

              Philosophy itself has replaced the people of God. They have a sun-like God and there is no one above him.
              Quote: Baikal
              Own idea and desire for independence. What is not an example?

              Well, and what has this led to a country that does not have any minerals. Russia can become and will be a fully independent economically state, and the DPRK does not. Now they survive due to the help of the UN, China and unbelievably, but the most important enemies of the USA and South Korea. Here and all independence.
              Quote: Baikal
              . Thus, I try to consider the topic diversely

              The article does not say this.
            2. evgen762
              evgen762 18 May 2014 16: 09
              +3
              I completely agree with you. A fairly poor country, practically cut off from the entire system of world trade and production, lives on. But it owes nothing to anyone, it provides itself and even sells weapons (there is a scientific school and production), prolific minerals (there is the production of means of production), and probably something else (nuclear energy, a missile program). Which country can boast of this?
              Confused - but okay.
      2. blizart
        blizart 18 May 2014 09: 27
        0
        The Berlin Wall was built for the same. Do you still think that "escape to the West" by the whole country was worth trampling on all your achievements?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 09: 49
          0
          Quote: blizart
          Do you still think that "escape to the West" by the whole country was worth trampling on all your achievements?

          I speak for the DPRK now, are there achievements?
          1. blizart
            blizart 18 May 2014 12: 25
            +1
            I speak for the DPRK now, are there achievements?
            Sorry for the banality: nuclear weapons and their delivery vehicles under total sanctions, as well as the sale (!) Of manufacturing technology, to Pakistan and South Africa. I won’t argue with you on social media, I’ll just ask, you think the main libertarian message expressed in the remark is correct: Why are you so poor, if you are so smart?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 12: 50
              +1
              Quote: blizart
              Sorry for the banality: nuclear weapons and their delivery vehicles under total sanctions

              Forgive me, the question remains who transferred the technology to them and it was good to see the delivery vehicles at the last parade in Pyongyang.
              Quote: blizart
              : Why are you so poor if you are so smart?

              Good question, ask this question to the first Korean from North Korea who comes across. It is interesting that you will hear wink
  8. blizart
    blizart 18 May 2014 08: 47
    +3
    Sobchak for whom laid out? Nobody needs her and Russia in particular
    Here you are talking about the "schizoids" -Koreans, and meanwhile you yourself live in a fictitious world, denying the influence of Sobchak and others like her on the mentality of (don’t deny, a significant) part of the population of Russia, just again you are poorly aware of these moods, due to voluntary refusal to communicate with them. I don't like them either, but I personally know a lot of people who consider their way of life as an example, despite the fact that I'm not a Russian.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 08: 57
      +1
      Quote: blizart
      denying the influence of Sobchak and others like her on her mindset (

      And how many fans in this country have this foolish fool? You can attach a picture of Novodvorskaya here, so what? The masses rushed under the flags of Sobchak and Novodvorskaya? Makarevich add **** so that only the lazy one does not spit on him. People have already learned to distinguish black from white. And rubbing Juche's ideas here is just as difficult as making you rush to go on vacation in the DPRK.
      1. blizart
        blizart 18 May 2014 09: 18
        +1
        I understood Roman you live in the Far East and to stop, like a true Buddhist, our dive, I propose a toast: So that the trip "to the Far East" never turns into "the Far East"!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 09: 51
          0
          Quote: blizart
          I understand Roman you live in the Far East

          I am not Roman.
          Quote: blizart
          as a true Buddhist our pick, I propose a toast:

          Well, the toast is accepted, the current is surprised that the TOAST is raised by a BUDDHIST. Damal Buddhists do not drink laughing
          1. blizart
            blizart 18 May 2014 12: 12
            +3
            Excuse me, Alexander, but they drink everything on our planet in Buddhism, by the way there are very few prohibitions, everything works harder for us, and toast is just a common Russian expression of friendliness
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 13: 37
              0
              Quote: blizart
              , and a toast, well, just a common Russian expression of friendliness

              Yes, I get it, I'm so sarcasm hi
  9. Signaller
    Signaller 18 May 2014 09: 20
    +1
    Quote - "" He drew attention to the fact that the media are referring to only one source - a message in the British newspaper Daily Mail. And this newspaper, in turn, refers to the South Korean newspaper "Joseon Ilbo", known for its anti-North Korean orientation "" ".
    And what is weak for us in the DPRK to send their correspondents, officially ????. There is a contract, there is a desire for friendship and peace. but there are no correspondents. Interesting. At least one or two. Or do not go yourself, like there is hungry and you won’t earn money ???
    1. blizart
      blizart 18 May 2014 09: 34
      0
      Nothing, in the context of an emerging reality, such as a confrontation (in what account) with the West, each ally will be worth its weight in gold, and it is difficult to find a DPRK on the planet more than a North Korean opponent and his values. So go and light up and sculpt, a digestible friendly image
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 09: 52
      +1
      Quote: Signaller
      And what is weak for us in the DPRK to send their correspondents, officially ??

      Yes, there Prokhanov visited there and yesterday on Vesti bent so much that I myself almost believed in the fantastic paradise of the DPRK laughing
      1. muginov2015
        muginov2015 18 May 2014 11: 35
        0
        Prokhanov has a gramophone instead of a head and a set of hackneyed records with the manifesto of the Communist Party.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 18 May 2014 13: 05
          0
          Prokhanov has a gramophone instead of a head and a set of hackneyed records with the manifesto of the Communist Party.
          I don’t know what about the Communist Party. In our time, communists, real, and not calling themselves such, are extremely difficult. Especially among public figures.
          But that he is very pathetic and even exalted ... Do not go to the grandmother here.
      2. Massik
        Massik 18 May 2014 13: 59
        0
        What is your wrong approach, all of you are drawn to abroad to roam Russia all traveled around ???)
  10. Oprychnik
    Oprychnik 18 May 2014 10: 23
    +2
    My eldest son on Sakhalin for 6 years lived in a hostel, from where everyone left in winter, tk. their work was mainly seasonal. Nearby, in the blockhouse, lived about 200 gaster from North Korea. The owner of the enterprise where his son worked (by the way, our Korean) and my brother-in-law, who held a high position in the Ministry of Internal Affairs at that time, loved to come to him, well, there to drink, have a bite. territory a pack of dogs. And then, somehow they arrived, drank quite hard, and then the Koreans began to lure the dogs, which they often did. Word for word, a skirmish ensued. During her brother-in-law had the imprudence to say: "Yes, I am your Kim Cher Ina, along with the Juche ideas, turned ... They seized three of them and took them to "judge" in their own building. The son managed to push them aside and escape from the second floor, called the police, let the dogs down, grabbed a club and ran to rescue his own. During. By this time, my brother-in-law and a friend were taken out into the courtyard and kicked. By this time they had already lost consciousness, and then they wanted to bury them. Sergei rushed at them with a roar, scared them, managed to hook one, then they took him to the intensive care unit. And then the police drove up. The case was hushed up. 1000 bucks were paid off from their victim, and he was satisfied, he left for his historical homeland. Here are the ideas of Juche. North Koreans are a fan of them, no worse than radical Islamists.
  11. northern
    northern 18 May 2014 11: 14
    -2
    Judging by the Kim dynasty, the next one will be at all - "a bun without legs." Unless, of course, this undersized man does something stupid and doesn’t get his country to the point (95% probability) In that isolated form as a wound, the DPRK will never be again. Civilization is coming, even mobile phones have appeared. The authorities are already turning a blind eye to small business and market trade past the state treasury. Korea will unite, it's a pity only for the northerners it will be much more difficult than it was for the East Germans in its time.
    1. Mikhail Filippov
      Mikhail Filippov 30 November 2017 17: 26
      0
      Do not unite. I'm afraid this is not just 2 different states, but 2 different nations. With a different way of life, different mentalities, different culture, different religion and different languages.
      Yes, in languages, because one of the difficulties that deserters from the north face is ... language. The southern and northern dialects of Korean are very different
  12. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 18 May 2014 11: 43
    +4
    I would recommend it to our media ... not to duplicate the lies of which Western publications are filled ... not to retype the delusional sensations of the bloody Kim Jong Un who personally destroyed anyone there ...
    In the West, a clear order is being worked out by journalism for money ...
    Our media must write their vision, we do not accept the DPRK model ... wonderful ... and no one imposes it on us ... you can just give a description of the life of the most closed country ... their shortcomings (in our opinion ...) their scientific breakthroughs (and nuclear weapons are very difficult) ... then it will be like objectivity.
  13. Giant thought
    Giant thought 18 May 2014 12: 01
    +3
    How many people, so many opinions. But the fact remains, we lost our socialism, but the North Koreans do not, and their state still exists, and no one attacks it, and they, by the way, too. They are a little bit worn with RK for adrenaline, and that's all, silence again. Well, if they like to live like that, let them live on their health as they want, why bother with them with their charter.
  14. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 18 May 2014 12: 38
    +2
    I agree. Objective information does not create a false image.
    My friends were in the DPRK, they said. The metro, more beautiful than the Moscow one, in Pyongyang, as pictures, resembles Kutuzovsky Prospekt. The people in sneakers, dressed alike, men in caps, women in headscarves (by the way, we, too, I remember, foreigners saw us equally dressed - the mass production of clothes). Lists of things on the doors of apartments, to the last spoon. Purely. Children go in formation.
    I had to communicate with many Western specialists. The best impression was made by the South African, white. Why? The country was closed, all created themselves. Well-educated, very modest, at the same time friendly and open people. At the same time, Americans, Australians, English are swindlers and ignoramuses, deceitful, thieving ki. South Africa were very similar to us scoops. I think that closed countries must cultivate just such a type of people for survival, otherwise they cannot survive.
    He was familiar in the early 80s with two North Koreans, in Moscow. Strong silent guys, the army of 5 years, special forces. The hard workers, us Soviet, were perceived as a bourgeois, with a slight disdain.
    Of course, the country needs to tighten the belt to survive. But they have a noble goal - the creation of a just human society.
    By the way, lately it seemed to me that the DPRK leader is led by US intelligence agencies, his threats of war and the need to protect the US military budget correlate very well.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 18 May 2014 13: 08
      0
      I agree. Objective information does not create a false image.
      Gold words.
      By the way, lately it seemed to me that the DPRK leader is led by US intelligence agencies, his threats of war and the need to protect the US military budget correlate very well.
      Or too predictable and programmable. What the world ghouls can not use.
    2. clidon
      clidon 18 May 2014 17: 28
      -1
      If for all that, they would not swell with hunger in the late 90s. International assistance is still being shaken out from all who are intimidated.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 19 May 2014 07: 32
        0
        International assistance is still being shaken out from all who are intimidated.
        Well, and the blockade from we all know who there is also not weak.
        It’s the same as to keep the city under siege for about 50 years and blame the besieged that they are so hungry.
        With Cuba, the same perdimonokl.
        1. clidon
          clidon 19 May 2014 19: 38
          0
          Blockade on condition that you have solid friends from the north? On the one hand, the Chinese, on the other, Russians. And I don't want to go to the sea either. Here the point is different, in the fact that this country threw all its resources into war and ideology. As long as she was fed for free, the regime held out even in a crooked (albeit rigidly normalized) economy. And as the freebie ended - the proud and irreconcilable began to swell with hunger and ask for help from the international community. And also close our eyes to local "Nepmen". Which in the end did not allow to bend completely.
  15. Manul49
    Manul49 18 May 2014 16: 32
    +1
    Quote: Marssik
    What is your wrong approach, all of you are drawn to abroad to roam Russia all traveled around ???)


    Travel all over Russia - ten lives are not enough. I’m not talking about the USSR, only the tropics were missing in it. Everything else was, even the humid subtropics (Lankaran and its fantastic reserve with flamingos).
  16. Lelek
    Lelek 18 May 2014 16: 50
    +1
    You need to leave North Korea alone. They like such a life, let them live, otherwise it turns out that there are more advisers and clerks than the population in the country. Although to me personally this Juche family is disgusting. No.
    1. clidon
      clidon 18 May 2014 17: 26
      +1
      And they are not asked whether they like it or not. )
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 18 May 2014 21: 34
        +1
        Quote: clidon
        And they are not asked whether they like it or not. )


        I just offer them something "impossible to refuse."
  17. DerSamowar
    DerSamowar 18 May 2014 16: 57
    -2
    The DPRK soldier is strong not only because it is armed with the most successful automatic weapon in the world (AK family), but also thanks to the idea of ​​Juche. Ideology is the main weapon of any state!
  18. studentmati
    studentmati 18 May 2014 21: 32
    -1
    Great article !!! good

    "One-dimensional judgments are inappropriate here."