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Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are preparing for the next assault

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Representatives of the national militia of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are on full alert. According to some reports, Kiev is regrouping its units in the Donetsk People's Republic, and is preparing another attack on the militia positions. Reports about it Russia Today.


Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are preparing for the next assault


At the moment, local residents are talking about the shootout, which is heard in the area of ​​the Kramatorsk airfield, which is becoming the epicenter of the confrontation between the forces of the national militia and the militants of the so-called National Guard.

A spokesman for the mayor of Slavyansk Stella Khorosheva in his microblog reports that Semenovka, which is considered one of the districts of Slavyansk, has completely come under the control of the forces of the national militia. Khorosheva reports that there are no casualties among the militias.

Kiev is making efforts to regain control of the Slavyansk area.

Meanwhile, the Security Service of Ukraine reported that the SBU allegedly managed to detain a group of radicals moving from Odessa to the DPR “for provocative actions”. In the SBU believe that the detainees are related to the riots in Odessa 2 May. Which of the parties to the conflict representatives of the group were going to provoke is not explained in the SBU.
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  1. saag
    saag 16 May 2014 17: 33
    +45
    the war will continue until the whole national guard near Slavyansk ends, they specially send it there to get rid of it :-)
    1. Ataman
      Ataman 16 May 2014 17: 35
      +16
      Militias hold on! Russia will not leave you!
      1. v245721
        v245721 16 May 2014 17: 54
        +6
        but on her and did not leave.
      2. from punk
        from punk 16 May 2014 19: 06
        +5
        Quote: Ataman
        Militias hold on! Russia will not leave you!

        I think they understand. that they have to do everything themselves. this is their land. so there would be more information from there. and then there are a lot of contradictory scraps from different sources and not anything clear
      3. Codename49
        Codename49 16 May 2014 20: 17
        -24%
        Russia has long sold them for friendship with the West and its currency !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. sv68
          sv68 16 May 2014 20: 21
          +10
          codenam-go troll to your censor where such a place
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 16 May 2014 21: 12
            +10
            Continued ...
            The West will swallow the return of Crimea (necessary for military-strategic reasons), and after the anti-Russian rage in the foreign media settles down a little, relations with it will return to their previous, familiar track.
            However, unlike the five-day war with Georgia in August 2008, the West did not “swallow” Crimea and, in fact, officially handed Putin a “black mark”. The head of Russia for him is now another “tyrant” standing in line for the overthrow, and no distancing of the Russian president from the Donetsk-Lugansk referendum will be able to change this attitude. This, in fact, was announced openly. And concrete actions - in the form of sanctions against the Russian "elite" - as we see, did not take long to wait.
            Judging by many signs, the Russian uprising of the South-East of Ukraine for the Kremlin elite was a surprise even greater than for experts and analysts of the CIA. Which, in general, is not surprising. After all, she had long been accustomed to running a society literally riddled with social apathy and philistine cynicism. Moreover, this apathy and cynicism of our tops for many years have been diligently encouraged, raising them almost to the rank of a cult. And then suddenly the miners' Donbass - long written off by everyone - gives an exemplary example of civic courage. Ordinary residents of Donetsk do not resign themselves to the Bandera-oligarchic coup in Kiev, do not want to endure anti-Russian power on their land, rise up, disperse cowardly deputy councils and proclaim a People’s Republic, in whose organs they elect their representatives. Our elites read about something similar in their time in school history textbooks, but even then they probably tried to assure themselves that Russia never really knew the true people's revolutions. It’s not without reason that many modern bribe-tellers, caressed and warmed up by the Kremlin without blinking an eye, argue that in October 1917 there was no revolution - instead of it, supposedly, there was a special operation carried out by agents of the German General Staff. So is it any wonder that the Kremlin is alarming, and even frightening in some ways, at the powerful movement of the Russian Donbass?
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 16 May 2014 21: 11
          +6
          Quote: Codename49
          Russia has long sold them for friendship with the West and its currency !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          There is an article on this topic. I can’t judge, just lay out ....
          Right to irredenta
          The results of the referendum in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions did not leave a shadow of doubt as to what their residents really want - and they want to do it en masse, in the vast majority. A referendum held under bullets in the conditions of hostilities is not only the obvious political success of the Russian forces in the South-East of Ukraine. First of all, this is an outstanding moral victory of the Russian people, which we have yet to appreciate. Therefore, the request for “return home” addressed by the leaders of Donbass to the first persons of the Russian Federation immediately after calculating the results of the plebiscite is an expected and logical step. The people of Donbass defended their right to be part of the Russian world - defended selflessly, in a fierce and bloody struggle. And by this he clearly proved that his aspirations have nothing to do with the notorious separatism. The people of Donbass just the same categorically do not want to be cut off from Russia - they want to correct the flagrant injustice of the 1991 of the year. He wants to again become one with her, not only morally, but also legally. He deserved this right like no other.
          But do the Russian tops recognize this? Unfortunately, today it is hardly possible to give a definitively affirmative answer to this question. The lack of a clear-cut reaction to the results of the Donetsk and Lugansk referenda by the official authorities of the Russian Federation makes it clear that the path to Russia for the Donbass and Lugansk region, despite all the suffering suffered, will not, alas, be as swift and triumphant as the Crimea route had recently been .
          Unlike our numerous ratifications of conspiracy theorists and interpreters of statements of the first person of the Russian Federation, I will not bore the reader with meaningful assumptions about the existence of President Putin a certain subtle and ingenious plan to support the Russian South-East of Ukraine. If until the afternoon of 7 May some doubts about this could still remain, then after the issuance of the order on the withdrawal of Russian troops from the Ukrainian border and the announcement of the appeal to the residents of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics to postpone the referendum, there were none left. President V. Putin, in the course of his recent “direct line,” did not dissemble, claiming that he had no prepared scenarios for the Crimea in his storeroom. Obviously, there were none for the Southeast - moreover, they have not been developed to the end to this day. The question of overcoming the tragic consequences of the collapse of the USSR, the main of which was the collapse of large historical Russia and the division of the Russian people, has never, in principle, been seriously raised during the years of Putin's rule. This must be clearly understood, so as not to have unnecessary illusions.
          What did the Kremlin expect two months ago, sending “polite people” to Simferopol and Sevastopol?
          1. Black
            Black 16 May 2014 22: 27
            +7
            Quote: nycsson
            What did the Kremlin expect two months ago, sending “polite people” to Simferopol and Sevastopol?


            In general, the estimates given by you, most likely, have a place to be, unfortunately.
            The Kremlin has apparently become hostage to the "Russian spring". What was he counting on? - On the Russian people of Crimea. It is he who is the great winner.
            Thanks to Putin at least for not being scared ... but to go to the end (to the Carpathians ... but it was possible, it was worth really supporting the SE, the Ukrainian army has already cleaned out the Turchinki, Yaroshkov, and they would have been sitting for another hundred years in Canada and cry at white birches) the gut is thin.
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 16 May 2014 23: 16
              +2
              Quote: Chen
              In general, the estimates given by you, most likely, have a place to be, unfortunately.

              Yes, these are not my estimates. This is an article. I completely agree with her. There is an interesting video in the topic on NEUROMIR TV. I'll try to lay it out now. For some reason I can’t embed a video on this site. I used to. And now only the link is inserted. I recommend everyone to see.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3RlNTT88Ls - это на ютубе
              http://neuromir.tv/video/analitika-krizis/47_double_red-line/ - на нейромир-тв
              Or in YouTube, type in the search engine "Double red line"
              I couldn’t insert the video, it doesn’t work .....
          2. ASSARU
            ASSARU 17 May 2014 05: 44
            0
            Russia has already won, Ukraine has woken up. The southeast is the first. Those who are the first will have a very difficult time. Odessa Kharkov. Donbass will simply be washed into powder. God forbid them not to lose faith in their future, in Russia and its leadership and in themselves. Donbass is behind you Moscow.
    2. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 16 May 2014 17: 41
      +5
      well, otherwise it won't get rid of them ... they are worse than bedbugs ...
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 16 May 2014 21: 13
        +7
        Continued ....
        It was easier with Crimea. And the point is not even the official presence of the Russian military in Sevastopol. The fact is that in Crimea, the local Supreme Council, that is, local authorities, sided with Russia. And this greatly simplified the task for the Russian leadership - with those similar to them from the category of power, those who hold it are much more convenient to deal with. In the Donetsk region, nothing like this happened. The regional council fled, the Kiev-appointed oligarch Taruta was kicked out, the police were partially disarmed, partially forced to serve the rebels. Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics are not only by name. They are folk precisely in their essence.
        The second, even more important factor that keeps the Russian leadership from providing distinct support to Donetsk and Lugansk is, of course, the West. Pressure goes in all directions: political, economic, military. In recent times, not a few days have passed without reports that another NATO warship has entered the Black Sea. And what kind of warnings and even direct threats come to Kremlin offices through unofficial channels, one can only guess. The Ukrainian crisis for the West is a red line. Get out of it, Russia the winner, and even with tangible territorial acquisitions - and fly to hell, no less! - The very foundations of the current world order that has developed following the end of the Cold War. Prices for the West are higher than this, it’s more difficult to come up with.
        But lately pressure has been put on Putin not only by “Western partners”. The inner circle devoted to these “partners” with all its foreign assets and villas is also crushing. Motives of the environment can be understood. After all, for many years it was integrated into a “civilized society” with direct encouragement from the president; such integration was generally regarded as a state task. “Elite” certainly didn’t expect to stop being in the “best houses” overnight because of the Crimea and the South-East, instead becoming defendants in various “black lists”. “Elite” with Putin just never concluded such an agreement ...
    3. Speedy
      Speedy 16 May 2014 17: 48
      +6
      Quote: saag
      the whole National Guard will not end, they are specially sent there to get rid of it :-)

      Perhaps that is the case. They themselves are from P.S. They can't get rid of them, they won't be understood just for now. Arrow has a well-placed intelligence there, at first the unarmed locals probe for a desire to shoot, if there is no desire, they give a place where you can burn tires and shoot, create the appearance of fulfilling an order, and that's it. And the National Guard goes there voluntarily, the conversation with them is shorter.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 16 May 2014 17: 56
        +17
        the collective image of the hu-nta and her money bag, the Gauleiter of "All Ukraine" beni KALO-Moisky ...
        1. slavadonbasu
          slavadonbasu 16 May 2014 19: 42
          +3
          Eurovision is contagious!
        2. nycsson
          nycsson 16 May 2014 21: 17
          +9
          Continued ....
          Today it should be clear to anyone in Russia that there will be no condescension to the rebels in the Donbass and Lugansk region from the Kiev clique. If, with the help of the West and non-resistance of Russia, she eventually succeeds in breaking down the resistance of the Southeast, then cruel and mass reprisals will await its inhabitants. No Avakov and Nalivaichenko will keep Bashibuzuk from the “Right Sector”, even if they suddenly wanted to.
          Does the Kremlin not understand all this? Or they understand perfectly, but they believe that letting go of the deaths of ordinary Russian people for the illusive hope of normalizing relations with the West and preserving their well-fed and comfortable world (which, by the way, will never happen) is permissible in principle?
          If so, then all the worse for the Kremlin.
          In this case, it will be a major, very large miscalculation of Putin-politician. Whatever the West threatens him with, no matter how depressing and negative consequences from the accession of Donbass liberal economists did not scare, he still lives in Russia with the Russian people. First, to inspire bright hopes for a speedy reunion (the March “We don’t give up yours!” We didn’t forget), and then cruelly deceive them — what could be more unacceptable for a person who, unlike much of his circle, has nowhere to leave?
          http://zavtra.ru/content/view/pravo-na-irredentu/
          1. vedross
            vedross 16 May 2014 22: 41
            0
            I think that the Kremlin understands something else - a truly popular power has been established in Donbass, which Russia does not have, in Russia, as you know, the oligarchs and the fifth column, read - the United States, rule, that is, Donbass with its true democracy is dangerous for Russia, more precisely the Russian Federation, is dangerous for its an example of nationality and cleansing from the fifth column, read - internal enemies.
          2. ASSARU
            ASSARU 17 May 2014 05: 47
            +1
            Russia has already won, Ukraine has woken up. The southeast is the first. Those who are the first will have a very difficult time. Odessa Kharkov. Donbass will simply be washed into powder. God forbid them not to lose faith in their future, in Russia and its leadership and in themselves. Donbass is behind you Moscow.
      2. Speedy
        Speedy 16 May 2014 17: 59
        +21
        Here is what the participant writes. "All the rumors that roam the Internet about militias, especially from the Kaklyat side, are often complete nonsense. As for the fact that many are afraid of self-defense, this is true. But the Pravosek and Natsiks are even more afraid. I myself am afraid of some comrades, with half of them, if it were not for the war, would become my “clients.” But there is one “BUT” - and there are no others yet ... Those who in peacetime flaunting combat experience and just super training now They sit on the sofas and wait for someone to fight for them. And then they will calmly begin their everyday concerns. Therefore, it turns out that half of the militias are people from the category of unreliable, so to speak. But such time writes off many debts. Now with me former Berkut members and Afghans and previously convicted people are in the same ranks (not for serious ones, such are immediately rejected).

        turn

        About looting and robbery. You understand that due to circumstances there is neither clear coordination nor special discipline. It will not be difficult for especially criminally minded elements to put on a lump, put on the St. We are also working against such people. And not without success. What was previously required for policemen 2-3 months, is revealed in 2-3 days. Well, the punishments are in keeping with the spirit of the times, so that it’s not obvious. A simple example. This will not be shown on TV. The "fighters" left for events around the city, after a few bottles of beer they remembered the old offenders and went to them. The main "offended" in the course of the argument with the offender could not stand it and shot his opponent in the stomach from 7,62. Punishment - the main culprit, how to put it mildly, is no longer with us. The rest will sit in a place not so remote until the moment they decide what to do with them. The victim is treated with self-defense and sponsorship. Tough times call for tough measures. For being drunk without a weapon - 3 days in the bullpen using physical arguments. Drunk with a weapon - they take away the weapon and sit until the nurse turns blue, and there, in a calm atmosphere, they will already decide what to do with it. There is a dry law in the detachments. Even with a smell, they can catch up to the neck. Drunk drivers are caught, cars are taken away. If a person is decent, comes and apologizes the next day, then they can give the car. And if this is not the first time and the body is rare, starting to pump the rights, then the car is used for the benefits of self-defense. "
        1. sop.ov
          sop.ov 16 May 2014 19: 53
          +7
          And also "pillars of shame" are practiced at the checkpoints within the city. For a hooligan or drunkenness after curfew - handcuffed behind the back and for the whole night. Bitternly, no one comes across, tk. this threatens with the torture chambers of the SBU for an indefinite period or community service for up to 3 days. Cars, yes, they take away from especially greyhound drunks driving.
        2. gfs84
          gfs84 16 May 2014 20: 53
          0
          Another act of powerlessness of the Maydauns:

          The General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine (GPU) on Friday recognized the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) and Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) as terrorist organizations... According to "RIA Novosti", this was announced on Friday by the first deputy prosecutor general of Ukraine Mykola Golomsha. “The two self-proclaimed republics are terrorist organizations,” said Mr Golomsha. He clarified that in accordance with the materials that are at the disposal of the GPU, in the framework of the pre-trial investigation, facts of financing of militants from the DPR and LPR were established.


          http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2473732

          And in general, I noticed with a logical consistency the tension in today's Kiev: first they start the so-called ATO (anti-terrorist operation) and a month later they find the territory where the "terrorists" are ...
        3. Mi-8
          Mi-8 17 May 2014 00: 00
          0
          That's right, well done. Discipline is vital. Hold on, you have strength and fighting spirit.
      3. nycsson
        nycsson 16 May 2014 21: 15
        +7
        Continued ...
        Yes, the desire expressed by Putin to postpone the referendum, in fact, did not oblige the Southeast to anything and, as we saw, did not oblige. Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics have once again confirmed that they are not Putin's “projects”. However, now it is not this rightly ignored request that bothers us all. The people of Russia are waiting for the head of state to respond to the appeal of Donbass. But to answer - and answer not evasively and vaguely, but directly and essentially! - still have to. No matter what pro-government propagandists write, there are no intermediate options for the Russian government on the southeast issue. Either it satisfies the desire of Donetsk and Lugansk for reunification (and thereby recognizes the right of the Russian people to irredent, as they say, at the official level with all the ensuing consequences) - or ignores it under one pretext or more, proving that it was guided in the case of Crimea not so much national as military strategic interests.
        Residents of the DPR and LPR, who have been waging an unequal but righteous struggle against the Bandera-oligarchic clique for more than a month, the military, political and moral support of Russia is needed as air. Their forces in the battle with the Kiev regime are by no means equal, and the heroic defense of Slavyansk amid an acute shortage of weapons and ammunition cannot continue indefinitely. If the Donbass in the near future does not wait for effective assistance from Moscow, does not wait for it if it doesn’t immediately become part of the Russian Federation, then at least its official recognition, then this can no longer be regarded as a manifestation of caution in foreign policy, but as real betrayal. A betrayal threatening in its tragic consequences at times surpass what Yeltsin and Lebed committed in 1996 in Khasavyurt. And on the actual promise to redeem which, incidentally, Putin himself entered the Kremlin in 2000.
    4. Akvadra
      Akvadra 16 May 2014 17: 55
      +7
      Turchinov gets rid of the fascists and his army. Equally afraid of both
      1. serega.fedotov
        serega.fedotov 16 May 2014 18: 01
        +4
        Quote: Akvadra
        Turchinov gets rid of the fascists and his army. Equally afraid of both

        Hurry, I wish I could get rid of myself! Otherwise, the rope costs money too!
    5. Wels75
      Wels75 16 May 2014 18: 27
      +9
      Well, what can we overcome these?
      Yes g .... question !!!!!
      Forward guys!
      Crush the evil spirits Maydaunovskaya !!!
      1. Yura
        Yura 16 May 2014 23: 18
        +1
        Quote: Veles75
        veles75 SU Today, 18:27 ↑

        And which of them is dad and mom? Probably all the same daddy ball gorilla from the zoo. Again the question is, which of them gave birth? Probably all the same, both, in turn, went pregnant, in turn and gave birth.
    6. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 16 May 2014 18: 49
      +8
      Breaking news:

      In Donesk there is a seizure of the headquarters of the Eastern operational-territorial association of the National Guard of Ukraine in the city of Donetsk. Shots sounded for a while, then negotiations began.

      DPR militias occupied the building of the training center of the State Security Administration in Makeevka.
      On May 15, the Regional State Security Department received a letter from the "DPR" about the need to deploy a "special forces group for organizing the defense of the Donetsk region" on the basis of the training center in Makeevka. On the same day, three buses with representatives of the DPR arrived at the building of the training center and occupied it.

      The intensity of the situation at the airfield near Kramatorsk.
      The forces of the Donetsk Republic clashed with the Ukrainian military near the Kramatorsk airfield. As a LifeNews correspondent reports from the scene, shots have been heard here since the morning.
      About 300 Ukrainian soldiers have installed signs along the entire perimeter that it is extremely dangerous to approach their territory. In addition, they were forced to light smoke bombs so that the militias could not see what was happening at the airfield. With the help of such methods, the National Guard fighters are trying to prevent representatives of the self-defense forces of Donetsk from expelling them from the airfield.
      Meanwhile, the militia of Slavyansk smokes the fighters of the National Guard from the vicinity of their city.
      Let's remind.
      On May 14, the National Guard of Ukraine set up a real ambush near the villages of Aleksandrovka and Varvarovka and shot local fishermen. Five men were returning from fishing in two cars early in the morning when they were opened fire without warning.
      Another attack on civilians in the same area, half an hour apart, occurred on the road between the settlements of Novaya Varvarovka and Staraya Varvarovka. According to the militias, the Ukrainian military stopped the "cornfield" of a 50-year-old woman who was traveling with her son. Not letting them get out of the car, the National Guards opened fire. The woman died on the spot.
    7. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 16 May 2014 18: 51
      +14
      Igor Ivanovich Strelkov commented on the situation in Slavic:

      "So far, there has been a relative calm. We have prepared and are standing. They are shooting through the surroundings from machine guns, from time to time they throw mines - lighting and ordinary ones. Already lighting howitzer shells (they burn much longer)" hang "in the sky.
      I'm not really worried about Slavyansk - we have a lot of people here and the defense is echeloned in depth. But I'm afraid for Kramatorsk. There are not too many weapons there ... But there is gunpowder in the flasks! And, most importantly, the entire experience of the Crimean and current campaigns simply screams that the Ukrainians will not be able to FUTE SEVERELY. Firstly, they do not know how. And secondly (and this is the main thing) - they do not want to - because there is nothing for the overwhelming majority to fight for. Including most of the officers.

      As for the rest ... I don't even really know now - how many of them are gathered here next to us. It looks like almost their entire army ... well, at least a combat-ready part of it. But in reality, only one thousand and one and a half people can take part in a city battle - special forces and the National Guard. The rest simply will not go under any pretext. In the best case, they will consolidate the territory. "

      And this is how Igor Ivanovich evaluates the quality of this "combat-ready unit" of the Ukrainian army and its prospects on the streets of Slavyansk:

      “After the recent battle in Starovarvarovka between the right-wing men from the National Guard and“ ordinary ”VVshniks, as well as taking into account the knowledge of the mood of the overwhelming majority of the“ ordinary ”military personnel, I am practically sure that“ all that is left ”(and there are quite a few left) will not star. and there will be no stars - then a significant part will fly away God knows where - first of all into the sky.
      If, after all, "Putin's falcons" appear in the sky, then in a few hours we will have hundreds, and in a day - thousands of prisoners and defectors. In any case, they will not be able to take the city quickly. Perhaps - and will not succeed at all, because they will wash themselves in blood. "

      About volunteers:

      "Yes, the locals are slowly reaching out to us ... But the majority is apparently waiting for the shells to fall on their heads. I myself have already persuaded to take out families and children, but no - today I walked around the city - and there is a lot around ..."

      Igor Ivanovich also commented on the video about the preparation of the so-called. "Dnipro battalion", where the brave dill really really want to be like the American military! Even the song was invented in the American manner

      "Well, well. We'll see tomorrow, sir. If we decide. And so ... they are funny ... stupid ... they shout loudly ... like children."

      However:

      "We are not going to cut anyone on purpose. Moreover, there are a lot of people who accidentally got into the war, driven by force and having no motivation to fight. If they attack, we will beat them."
      1. slavadonbasu
        slavadonbasu 16 May 2014 19: 53
        +5
        Hold on, brothers, I am with you with all my heart and with all my soul and I pray for you. I admire your courage, patience and endurance! Crush this filthy scum, give them so in the teeth that they are already in Lviv!
    8. theadenter
      theadenter 16 May 2014 20: 00
      +4
      It is obvious that Kiev no longer needs these detachments of uncontrolled "loyal nationalist radicals."
      They are so easily fooled by money that one dastardly oligarch kalomoyka manages them as he wants.
      These are potentially dangerous numbers of mercenaries for one country.
    9. nycsson
      nycsson 16 May 2014 21: 05
      +5
      Quote: saag
      the war will continue until the whole national guard near Slavyansk ends, they specially send it there to get rid of it :-)

      Have you seriously written this? request
      Quote: Ataman
      Militias hold on! Russia will not leave you!

      Rather, the Russians will not leave you. Since volunteers are in a hurry to help, not the RF Armed Forces. This is a fundamental difference.
    10. gandalf
      gandalf 16 May 2014 22: 18
      +5
      Today I watched a unique sight. On the way, KhAZ turned into a transit point for the wounded and two hundredth. Every day helicopters take off to take off, and ambulances and corpses from the city immediately rush to them. Kiev karapuziks are afraid of publicity and therefore board the KhAZ and not at the airport, in a quiet nishk. Yesterday no turntables were landing at all anymore, and transport planes — from the cars — did not push through. Today, a pinwheel sat down early in the morning — I hadn’t seen it, I hadn’t been at work yet. But I saw the day-time pinwheel and sat Mi-8, which was also a cow.
      Fortunately, there were no two hundredths, only an ambulance took the heavy ones. And then twenty men in uniform, 30-40 years old, got out of the plane. We went to the checkpoint. As far as I understood, they were slightly wounded and shell-shocked. The shape was crumpled, the faces were weathered, their legs barely lifted, some limped. The truth behind the backs healthy, for some reason civilians, backpacks and each pair also drags a healthy chuval by one handle each. There was clearly not a weapon there, as the metal of a backpack pulls away, I know. It looks like some kind of rags, or maybe shoes and forks. They walked dejectedly, looking at asphalt. We saw that the people met them with unfriendly glances and an angry whisper, "The Nazis are coming." Only one woman leaned out the window and shouted cheerfully, "Sho guys, come back from the south, oh, how tanned!" Most of all, the action resembled the march of the captured Fritzes in Moscow in 1944. To be honest, I was struck by this coldness of the hard workers towards the National Guards. They even felt sorry for the captured Germans, all the more for the wounded.
      Now a patriotic howl will rise - "Shame! Quilted jackets!! Genetic slaves!" But everything is much simpler - at the plant the people are a quarter of a century behind ... by the SYSTEM which the rulers push into all places and he is sick of everything, including the defenders of the system. People clearly distinguish between the defenders of the country and the defenders of the hated system.
      You can’t explain that I saw the saviors of the people, they were beaten punishers and what is important, they themselves understood this.


      http://www.kharkovforum.com/showthread.php?t=3721040

      PS KhAZ - Kharkov Aviation Plant
  2. ComradeMauser
    ComradeMauser 16 May 2014 17: 37
    +13
    Judging by the relative calm and the news about the pulling together of the junta's forces, something serious is being prepared ...
    The main thing is that ours have a couple of aces in their sleeves.
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 16 May 2014 17: 46
      +9
      serious - this is if the junta strikes with hail and heavy artillery at the positions of the rebels, not thinking that it will hurt the rest of the population.
      and after the shelling, tanks will be launched to destroy everything that shows signs of life.
      in this case, the junta will take the city.
      but the DPR is not in vain they were given an ultimatum. it is possible that something is happening now, only while we do not yet know about it.
      1. v245721
        v245721 16 May 2014 17: 55
        +1
        this is complete nonsense.
      2. asar
        asar 16 May 2014 17: 56
        +10
        We don't know a lot! Let's trust the Arrow and the guys, they have already shown what they can! And no one will present an ultimatum to Kiev for no reason, without backing words with deeds! So, there is something in the "storehouse"! Let's wait! And good luck to YOU ​​guys! The truth is yours! good
      3. mamont5
        mamont5 16 May 2014 18: 06
        +4
        Quote: tokin1959
        serious - this is if the junta strikes with hail and heavy artillery at the positions of the rebels, not thinking that it will hurt the rest of the population.


        Here the population is mainly affected.
      4. theadenter
        theadenter 16 May 2014 20: 09
        +1
        In the event of such a massive attack, there is a high probability that Russia will bring in a peacekeeping contingent, whether authorized or not.
        I think the junta did not go enough to take risks, because if Russia introduces troops, it will leave him there to guard civilians (all the same, the borders will be violated). The territories will definitely be lost and there will be no more dialogue.
    2. vladstro
      vladstro 16 May 2014 18: 31
      +3
      Yes, their militias on a karachun scared away with only one nona that they could cook only some dirty trick, like shelling checkpoints from extreme distances. They have neither the strength nor the normal equipment.
  3. _my opinion
    _my opinion 16 May 2014 17: 38
    +13
    ... no one has ever won and will not win a war with the people !!!
    no force can defeat the people !!! junta krany and no amer's attempts will save these criminals ... negative

    .. to defuse the following anecdote:
    on the Maidan, they used a new tectonic weapon called "who does not jump, he is Moscow." As a result of its use, Crimea broke away from Ukraine and returned to Russia ...
    1. ComradeMauser
      ComradeMauser 16 May 2014 17: 42
      +6
      Quote: _my opinion
      ... no one has ever won and will not win a war with the people !!!


      The whole question is HOW LONG will this war drag on and HOW MANY people will die.
      For the rest, I agree ...
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 16 May 2014 18: 10
        +6
        and also on the side of the maydanutykh are fighting, mercenaries from the PMC BLACK WATER (GREYSTONE) ....

        but there are, not only men, but also SCARY "kravivye" Amrekans ..... crying
        1. mad
          mad 16 May 2014 18: 17
          +9
          It does not look like a pro, sand in the trunk, the old helmet like a night pot, and the young one is strong.
          It seems to me if you wash and change it, you can still use it for its intended purpose wink
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 16 May 2014 20: 22
            +6
            Unless to wash footcloths and peel potatoes ...
  4. Agat
    Agat 16 May 2014 17: 40
    +5
    Quote: saag
    the war will continue until the whole national guard near Slavyansk ends, they specially send it there to get rid of it :-)

    I read about this back in March in the forecasts that the National Guard would be sent to the southeast to get rid of it. Otherwise, they can turn their bayonets at the supposedly legitimate government. And also to disrupt the elections!
  5. Altona
    Altona 16 May 2014 17: 40
    +5
    The peasants will win, hungry dill will not wait there for eternity for favors from nature ...
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 16 May 2014 18: 03
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      The peasants will win, hungry dill will not wait there for eternity for favors from nature ...

      Yes, and after the elections, look, and in Kiev, fun will begin! And there will be no time for the DPR huntyam!
  6. Monk
    Monk 16 May 2014 17: 41
    +4
    Quote: saag
    the war will continue until the whole national guard near Slavyansk ends, they specially send it there to get rid of it :-)


    Until the last fascist dies, it cannot be otherwise.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 16 May 2014 19: 42
      +1
      Quote: Monk
      Until the last fascist dies, it cannot be otherwise.

      I agree 1000%! But - there are still some USA, which will produce them to us constantly, as history shows. Maybe it's time to tweak something, eh?
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  8. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 16 May 2014 17: 41
    +4
    As one of the commanders of the Berkut said, "Moscow is behind us .." Hold on, men! Help is coming .. You are like Panfilovites .. We must stand!
  9. Barboskin
    Barboskin 16 May 2014 17: 42
    +9
    Storm, so storm. I recommend to the troops of Kiev to allocate a reserve that will cut wood on the coffins. They'll need the coffins. Militias, God bless you, good luck.
    1. rosom
      rosom 16 May 2014 19: 22
      +4
      Austria donated 10 thousand to help the "free Ukrainian army" the latest plastic coffins. Germany - at least they got off with clothes.
      1. Barboskin
        Barboskin 16 May 2014 19: 55
        +3
        And that plastic, as opposed to wood, is healthier?
  10. Egoza
    Egoza 16 May 2014 17: 43
    +7
    In the meantime ...

    "The second all-Ukrainian round table of national unity, designed to find ways out of the political crisis and settle the confrontation in the East of Ukraine, will take place in Kharkiv on May 17, Deputy Speaker of the Parliament Ruslan Koshulinsky told reporters. According to him, the round table will begin at 12:00. " (controversy)

    Go to Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, "Peacemakers"! am
  11. Neighbor
    Neighbor 16 May 2014 17: 43
    +4
    I personally consider the murder of the deputies of the Supreme Soviet a crime! But I think that the Khazar junta of Ukraine deserves to be hanged !!!
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 16 May 2014 17: 50
      +5
      and what do the deputies have to do with it? - there are only a few key odious people - who need to be cleaned up - Kalomoisky, Turchinov, Yaytsenyukh, Nalyvaichenko, Parubiy, Petya Porosenkin, Zhulka Moshenko, Yarosh, Lyashka.
      and all
  12. mig31
    mig31 16 May 2014 17: 43
    0
    There is no clarity with our self-defense forces - we are advancing!?, Or is it still self-defense!? ...
    1. mig31
      mig31 16 May 2014 18: 28
      0
      I am airy, you see it is not given to understand the earthly ...
    2. TRex
      TRex 16 May 2014 23: 19
      +1
      KIEV, 16 of May - RIA Novosti. About 30 unknowns who introduced themselves as the Vostok battalion seized a military unit, on the basis of which the administration of the Eastern Territorial Command of the National Guard of Ukraine is deployed, reports the Ukrainian Interior Ministry on Friday.


      “Today about 15 hours (16.00 Moscow time) to the military unit 3037, on the basis of which the offices of the Eastern Territorial Command of the National Guard of Ukraine are deployed, armed people arrived, about 30 people who called themselves the Vostok battalion surrounded the military unit,” the statement says message.

      After negotiations, the military decided to redeploy with weapons and equipment to the nearest military camp, and the territory of the military unit remained under the control of the Vostok battalion.


      So try it, figure it out - what are they broadcasting, who and why captures the military unit and where, in the end, and why, in the end, is the "redeployment" going ... Is the "Vostok" battalion OUR or THEIR? And what kind of "military unit" was there that moved to a neighboring hostel ???
      Damn ... I remember the unforgettable Pikul and his notes on the Zaporozhye Cossacks. Something like that - "and then Catherine sent regular troops ... and even dispersed the entire Zaporizhzhya Sich ... to a vigorous hair dryer ..."
  13. Egoza
    Egoza 16 May 2014 17: 44
    +15
    By the way ...

    Strelkov commented on rumors about his death


    The leader of the Donetsk militia Igor Girkin (Strelkov) commented on the information that appeared earlier that he had allegedly died in battle. Blogger summer56 reports his words.

    "Attention! What was the Shooter yesterday speaks to you ... Actually, until recently, it seriously believed that it was still the same person. But then it read that he was killed ... Given the persuasiveness of the presentation, and also undoubtedly the absolute truthfulness of UkrSMI, it (that is, I) realized that it was already an inanimate object ... Now in thought - whether it (that is, I) a zombie, or something else infernal ...

    PS I remember that only in 2001, in the area of ​​the Khatuni camp, the local Chechen population "put me to rest" at least three times ... But most of all I liked that I was "desperately trying to get out of the city," the blogger said. "
  14. ar-ren
    ar-ren 16 May 2014 17: 48
    -4
    To all deceivers - "Russia will not abandon you!" - I hope a separate place will be prepared in hell for deception, for the fact that the blood of those killed, who believed you and who rose up with the hope of help, will be on your hands.
    1. nicollider
      nicollider 16 May 2014 17: 55
      +6
      Explain your post: do you have data that someone threw someone? if you can link to the office. statement or something like that
    2. ComradeMauser
      ComradeMauser 16 May 2014 18: 08
      +10
      Don’t you think, Dear someone, after reading a post on VO:
      Quote: ar-ren
      "Russia will not abandon you!"

      will grab his PPSh and with a cry "Hurray" step out of the trench ???

      There are very intelligent experienced commanders of the militia. And, for sure, they have some kind of (!) Relationship with the Russian leadership. And to jump from a bare well ... on a machine gun, they definitely won’t be there. So calm down in your curses)))
      1. ComradeMauser
        ComradeMauser 16 May 2014 18: 27
        +3
        I sincerely do not understand why the cons? What, the militia commanders are inexperienced, in your opinion?
        Or maybe they have no relationship with the leadership of Russia? Or will the commanders mindlessly send death to the militias ??? You are strange people)))
        1. ar-ren
          ar-ren 16 May 2014 19: 25
          -4
          Quote: ComradeMauser
          Don’t you think, Dear someone, after reading a post on VO:
          Quote: ar-ren
          "Russia will not abandon you!"

          will grab his PPSh and with a cry "Hurray" step out of the trench ???


          Quote: ComradeMauser
          I sincerely do not understand why the cons? What, the militia commanders are inexperienced, in your opinion?


          For representing all Russians as traitors and bullies: "We promised to help? Did you believe? You fools!"
          1. ComradeMauser
            ComradeMauser 16 May 2014 20: 29
            0
            Something I do not remember even a hint of it in my posts ...

            It seems to me you are sucking all sorts of nonsense out of your finger ... Where did I write this ??? Do you generally understand what other forum users write, or simply treat as you like?
            I advise you to read carefully, but you never know what can be reached with this approach ...
          2. Saburov
            Saburov 16 May 2014 22: 18
            +1
            In the Southeast there are forces and the border with the Russian Federation is open, who can guarantee that weapons and supplies do not go through it, if you were a little more closely, you would see that almost all combat self-defense battalions have good, modern equipment and communication stations They have excellent coordination, intelligence on the enemy and shelled forward detachments, but this is only what we are allowed to see in the media and cover groups in self-defense, but in reality no one guarantees that they do not have modern weapons for MANPADS, RPGs, and electronic warfare and no one will prove, because before leaving for combat, documents and all things indicating things to be involved in the RF Armed Forces remain within the headquarters, and do not forget that only the naive believes that the city may be under siege to feed himself and his fighters, supply and financing is a fact, but who and how to do this, let it remain a secret. So, young man, communicate with such hasty conclusions and decisions with your grandmothers in the yard.
            1. vedross
              vedross 16 May 2014 22: 54
              0
              There is even a PTR! Today on the 1st in the news showed. So that the armored personnel carrier and the BMP junta just do not ride.
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  15. Signaller
    Signaller 16 May 2014 17: 49
    -18%
    Getting ready ???? Interestingly, but yesterday they said that we, the militia, would demolish everyone ????? What to believe then. And the main time was appointed. LA la guys. Bazaar. I certainly do not mind, but not so much. I think your bullshit bosses are bluffing the most for them. There is no core. There are no April theses, like Lenin's Program at least. We don’t even talk about the maximum program at all. We read Lenin. They say it helps.
    1. nicollider
      nicollider 16 May 2014 17: 53
      +5
      What did you expect? what instantly in 1 minute the National Guard and others will be outside the region or will be killed?
    2. Peter Timofeev
      Peter Timofeev 16 May 2014 18: 36
      +3
      The militia is trying to put together the fascists in a pile, and then deliver a crushing blow.
    3. Signaller
      Signaller 16 May 2014 20: 12
      0
      Why minus ????? Like come on guys, smash. All these, that "come on" -with pluses. And when will the day come tomorrow ????? Children will want to eat, and you have a patron to suck them, instead of a nipple with milk. That will be interesting ????. I'm not calling for alarmism, just don't LA-LA. There is no economic motive behind the activity. Even though Lenin seized the banks and the post office right away, you have to live on something. Tomorrow the miners will come out of the mines, and you will probably show them a combination of three fingers. and then we'll see-Apparently such a conversation will be.
    4. ASSARU
      ASSARU 17 May 2014 05: 56
      -1
      Zhesh signalman
  16. Kaigal
    Kaigal 16 May 2014 17: 49
    +5
    Soon Kiev will run out of people. they have already reached the pensioners of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, they want to do some more self-defense from them. Have fun with them ......
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 16 May 2014 18: 16
      +5
      have already arrived.
      the battalion "peacemaker" is being completed in Kiev, pensioners of the Armed Forces and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are also invited
  17. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 16 May 2014 17: 51
    +25
    So it was and will be ..! There is such a concept we have "BROTHERHOOD" ..
  18. Speedy
    Speedy 16 May 2014 17: 52
    +20
    Important statement Strelkova Igor Ivanovich 16 May 2014g.

    summer56
    16 May, 14: 43
    As many already know, in Moscow and St. Petersburg, the Bandera underground is preparing a new so-called. "playpen". The reason for her was the murder of a football fan in the city of Pushkino. This event was immediately raised "on the flagpole" by pseudo-nationalists of the Russian Federation, who secretly are fan of their friends from the "Right Sector" of Ukraine.
    The slogans of this "manezhki" are already known: "Down with Putin from the Kremlin!"

    At the same time, excerpts from Igor Ivanovich’s early notes and statements regarding Putin V.V appeared in the network, where he (to put it mildly) criticizes him.

    I informed Igor Ivanovich about the potential possibility of using his very popular name in order to propagandize this action of the enemies of Russia.

    Here is a comment I just received. I quote:

    “I, of course, do not know anything about the next manezhka.
    For my part, I can say the following (you can publish it): my most harsh anti-Putin statements refer to the period 3-4 years ago, when I finally lost faith in the very possibility of changing politics and refusing to thoughtlessly follow to Hell in the tail of the so-called. "the world community". At present, in my opinion, there is a "revolutionary situation" initiated by Putin personally. And his recent steps directly indicate a radical change of course. Very late, but still. These steps should be followed by serious personnel reshuffles aimed at real cleansing the environment from the current and potential agents of the world oligarchy, as well as from the most thieving people of the "inner circle" who are nothing but ballast.
    Nevertheless, there is hope for a change of course within the country. And the alternative to Putin in the form of a “swamp opposition” with poorly-sane and incapacitated screamers-leaders somehow does not inspire. In the current situation of the deployment of border war and the growth of confrontation with the world oligarchy, supporting a radical revolution means following the path of the Social Revolutionaries and Bolsheviks in 1916-17, ready to destroy everything — the country and the army — even in league with direct enemies.
    The logic of the war itself will push Putin to the right decisions. Already pushing. The annexation of the Crimea is only the first step, but it is just such a step, to “slow down” after which it is no longer possible. The logic of events will now inevitably push the Russian president to new contradictions with the country's external and internal enemies. conflicts with them will grow. I hope he himself understands that there is no going back and that no one will forgive him and his surroundings an "unexpected rebellion."
    In this situation, I believe that patriotic forces should at least not oppose the government in alliance with a liberal bastard sponsored by a foreign and domestic financial oligarchy. "By their fruits you shall know them." There are "reference points", the relation to which is the "litmus paper" for any patriot. You can not go to alliances with Satanists and sodomites, no matter what "tactical goals" such alliances would not be covered. Never true patriots of Russia will not come to power in the same column with the "rainbow-blue" and "followers of Chubais." At best, they will be prepared for the fate of the current militants of the Right Sector, who, under ultra-patriotic slogans, were thrown to kill their own people by terry warlords, homosexuals and sectarians Yatsenyuk, Turchinov and Co. "
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 16 May 2014 23: 34
      0
      Quote: Sorrow
      At present, in my opinion, there is a "revolutionary situation" on the face, initiated by Putin personally.

      Let's hope that Strelkov is right! Otherwise, be in trouble ........
  19. Egoza
    Egoza 16 May 2014 17: 55
    +20
    DNR militia blocked the Kharkov-Slavyansk highway (PHOTO)

    Militias are digging in, fortified by armored personnel carriers and an anti-tank gun.
    Near Slavyansk, pro-Russian activists are gaining ground at their checkpoint, which blocks the highway connecting Slavyansk with Kharkov. According to the correspondent with reference to the Associated Press, the militants use armored vehicles and anti-tank weapons.
    After losses in Slavyansk itself, the militia established a new checkpoint on the eastern approaches to the city.










    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 16 May 2014 19: 47
      +6
      Quote: Egoza
      DNR militia blocked the Kharkov-Slavyansk highway (PHOTO)

      militia, at the new block post ...
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 16 May 2014 21: 39
        +4
        Speaking of photos.
  20. VladimS
    VladimS 16 May 2014 17: 56
    +10
    The name of the city in this case is very symbolic! Slavyansk.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 16 May 2014 18: 03
      +7
      Quote: VladimS
      The name of the city in this case is very symbolic! Slavyansk.

      City Hero! It’s not casualty that so many troops have been sent to him (this is like Stalingrad nowadays) And Russia has no right to really help (only unofficially ..) It’s impossible for now ..
      1. Dezinto
        Dezinto 16 May 2014 18: 38
        +2
        Well, it would be necessary ... unofficially, undercover. The States always fight like that. Why don't we do that. MANPADS, Needles, AK 100, all quietly in cars under the guise of humanitarian aid, to carry and carry ...
  21. MG42
    MG42 16 May 2014 18: 04
    +8
    Like a lot of trash on YouTube, some authors deliberately change the date of the video in the pursuit of views sad
    Today's video about the situation in Slavyansk, the junta continues the ATO and introduces new forces into the battle.
  22. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 16 May 2014 18: 12
    +4
    I have a bad feeling that the junta will soon use all available weapons against Slavyansk (like sakashvilli against the rebellious Tskhinval.) God forbid ..
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren 16 May 2014 18: 30
      +4
      If Poroshenko takes place in the first round, then this is May 26th. If you need a second round - this is June 9th. The whole joke is that the elections cannot be held in the CTO / ATO regime. And the elections need blood from the nose ..
      1. ComradeMauser
        ComradeMauser 16 May 2014 18: 49
        +3
        The joke is actually not in this, but in the fact that the junta said that the elections will be held in any situation. A junta without Amer’s support does not yap. So for p..dosov and ge.ropeytsev elections, consider already passed. They unanimously acknowledge their results. Is it really not clear to you?
        Therefore, whether in the 1st round or in the 2nd, for them (the West) this is a settled issue.

        And to bring ATO / CTO to mass casualties and killings is also not in their interests. at least until the election ...
    2. blackberry
      blackberry 16 May 2014 20: 03
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I have a bad feeling that the junta will soon use all available weapons against Slavyansk (like sakashvilli against the rebellious Tskhinval.) God forbid ..

      As you remembered about this nits in time, I was in Ukraine just yesterday.
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    4. nycsson
      nycsson 16 May 2014 23: 29
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I have a bad feeling that the junta will soon use all available weapons against Slavyansk (like sakashvilli against the rebellious Tskhinval.) God forbid ..

      Of course it will. I have no doubt about that. They have two main goals: 1.Pull Russia into the war 2. Or "kill" the authority of one person. Both scenarios 1 and 2 are not good for us. And here they are with one shot of two birds with one stone ...
  23. MG42
    MG42 16 May 2014 18: 24
    +13
    Through the capabilities of the Cyberberkut and Anonymous groups, the mail of the foreman was hacked, who, under the order of Kolomoisky, scored Kharkov citizens for reprisal against Odessa residents on May 2. A list of pyromancers, lovers of burning people alive is attached. Who needs to be heard.
    Full name and registration of pyromaniacs by link >>

    http://www.euromaidanu.net/archives/616
  24. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 16 May 2014 18: 30
    +6
    The game of "spillikins" is over - it's time to wet, quickly, efficiently and reasonably.
  25. Dezinto
    Dezinto 16 May 2014 18: 34
    +17
    ..........something like this. A little bloodthirsty, but when the adversary rushes, you just need to kill!
  26. 51064
    51064 16 May 2014 18: 40
    +2
    Quote: MG42

    Today's video about the situation in Slavyansk, the junta continues the ATO and introduces new forces into the battle.
    media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = WFkX5BJOjKo

    It’s a bad idea to try to gain a foothold at the intersection near Semenovka. The only Nona, like poplar on ivy, a settlement on the side — Su-25 — will be smashed by everything or artillery, and then cleared using tanks.
    1. uladzimir.surko
      uladzimir.surko 16 May 2014 18: 52
      +1
      There is not Nona but BMD-1 and judging by the photo of her problem! hi
      1. 51064
        51064 16 May 2014 20: 36
        +2
        Yes, by the way I was mistaken, thanks for correcting it! Only now - "dryers" are already flying,
        in that area, they made calls along the Kharkov highway. Let's hope that the story of the intersection near Semenovka is a military trick.
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    2. MG42
      MG42 16 May 2014 18: 54
      +5
      well, it’s up to the militia field commanders to decide, of course it’s better to partisan, but the junta is not in a hurry to go to residential districts, only when he knows that there will be no serious resistance, and there’s not a lot of greenbacks in the Donbass that are Carpathians.
  27. MG42
    MG42 16 May 2014 18: 49
    +7
    Video Kramatorsk today was a battle in the arodrome
  28. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 16 May 2014 18: 50
    +4
    Once such a booze went - dir the last cucumber.
    Guys strain your connections
    without it, the entire junta will be blown away like zilch. hi
  29. zollstab
    zollstab 16 May 2014 18: 52
    +3
    Full name and registration of pyromaniacs by link >>

    http://www.euromaidanu.net/archives/616 В РАСХОД ПО ЗАКОНАМ ВОЕННОГО ВРЕМЕНИ.
  30. MG42
    MG42 16 May 2014 19: 27
    +6
    DPR forces preparing to repel the attack today's video >>
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 16 May 2014 20: 22
      +6
      Quote: MG42
      DPR forces preparing to repel the attack today's video >>


      also the BTR-4 was fitted (from the Iraqi series)))

      and where, by the way Akim, he probably fights for krovosekov, with .....
      1. MG42
        MG42 16 May 2014 20: 31
        +2
        Quote: cosmos111
        and where, by the way, Akim, probably fights for blood-cutters, with .....

        Most likely for SBUshnikov. bully
  31. dik-fort
    dik-fort 16 May 2014 19: 35
    +2
    It may make sense to intensify agitation among the Ukrainian military, especially conscripts, SHVZ - a bayonet in the ground, for those who want not to fight, negotiate with the Russian FMS on granting refugee status on the territory of the Russian Federation, housing, work. Even if several hundred soldiers go over and surrender their equipment and weapons, it is still a big deal, someone's saved lives.
    1. Signaller
      Signaller 16 May 2014 20: 36
      +1
      There is only one point - to kill more than the head imagines. It will make you scary, even horror. No other has been given yet. They all ate. And La-la will not lead to anything. A simple concussion is nothing more.
  32. Signaller
    Signaller 16 May 2014 20: 00
    -2
    Guys, we have already passed. Either stop and negotiate, or an analogue is Chechnya .. Do you need it ????. We don’t. They need it, I think, not either. So what's stopping ????? Nothing but obstinacy. We must stop. How ???. Either agree or wait for the stronger one to come. And if not come ????? And the province went for a walk ..... Oh, disperse. How many women, old people and children will die, no way ????? Yes, everyone bit a bit, but there is a cliff ......... ???????
  33. Russ69
    Russ69 16 May 2014 20: 08
    +2
    I heard on the radio ... How reliable, I don’t know ...
    Near Dnepropetrovsk in \ ch3202 (like), she rebelled and refused to go to Donetsk. They seemed to be blocked, but fifteen hundred barricaded themselves and sort of decided to hold on, the soldiers recently mobilized ...
  34. sop.ov
    sop.ov 16 May 2014 20: 12
    +10
    Quote: Signaller
    Getting ready ???? Interestingly, but yesterday they said that we, the militia, would demolish everyone ????? What to believe then. And the main time was appointed. LA la guys. Bazaar. I certainly do not mind, but not so much. I think your bullshit bosses are bluffing the most for them. There is no core. There are no April theses, like Lenin's Program at least. We don’t even talk about the maximum program at all. We read Lenin. They say it helps.

    You will connect - a woodpecker. No one said that today we’ll disperse everyone with brooms. Many in the dill troops have distant relatives. According to generalized reports, no one understands how they drove them here under Slavyansk and no one wants to die even for ephemeral money. I myself almost every day go through the checkpoint between Slavyansk and Kramatorsk - shift from shift differ quite dramatically. If young people come in, they have only fear and fatigue in their eyes, those older are fear and hatred. None of the residents of Slavyansk is going to go anywhere, everyone is ready to stand up to the last - the events of the 2 of May showed how united Slavyansk turned out to be. Now, while dill has been pushed out of the city limits, many have returned to their daily affairs, yet the city is a kind of anthill - everyone has their own tasks (providing the city with life is no less important part of defense).
    1. Signaller
      Signaller 16 May 2014 20: 22
      -4
      And to work regularly .....- Everything is clear. You are interested . But they ???? When on the 5th or 20th they will be shown a combination of three fingers. And you have nothing to do with it ???? Well then, you will feed their families from your nipple. I'm exaggerating, of course. But one must think
      1. sop.ov
        sop.ov 16 May 2014 20: 57
        +5
        As I understand it, I need to quit work, on which, among other things, the families of 700 workers depend, take up arms and die ... I went from 2 to 11 on May. Then I was offered to do my daily work. And people like me half of Slavyansk - fortunately no one but you condemns us.
      2. Escander_84
        Escander_84 16 May 2014 21: 47
        +3
        That's the point, Mr. Signalman, we must think! The previous member of the forum hinted to you that the vital activity of the city is no less important than its defense !!! Maybe suggest doctors, and many of them are healthy guys and are almost lifelong, also on barricades ... Or, for example, electricians who, after each artillery preparation of the outskirts, restore the power supply, or drivers who, on pain of death, manage to transport medicines and food to the cities ... I do not argue, you can vouch for the barricades of some kind of a thread of travel agency managers, who even successfully cut away from the army. Here are just a little sense from them, but a lot of meat !!! Not our methods. IMHO ...
  35. sop.ov
    sop.ov 16 May 2014 20: 17
    +1
    Quote: uladzimir.surko
    There is not Nona but BMD-1 and judging by the photo of her problem! hi

    Unfortunately, on a hodovka, she became a donor ...
  36. sop.ov
    sop.ov 16 May 2014 20: 17
    +2
    Quote: uladzimir.surko
    There is not Nona but BMD-1 and judging by the photo of her problem! hi

    Unfortunately, on a hodovka, she became a donor ...
  37. sop.ov
    sop.ov 16 May 2014 20: 19
    +4
    Quote: ComradeMauser
    There are some very experienced experienced militia commanders. And, for sure, they have some kind of (!) Relationship with the Russian leadership. And to jump from a bare well ... on a machine gun, they definitely won’t be there. So calm down in your curses)))

    I dare to assure you - only moral support. All victories are only due to the clear organization and self-motivation of the militia.
  38. sop.ov
    sop.ov 16 May 2014 20: 26
    +2
    It’s a bad idea to try to gain a foothold at the intersection near Semenovka. The only Nona, like poplar on ivy, a settlement on the side — Su-25 — will be smashed by everything or artillery, and then cleared using tanks.
    Already taken into account their mistakes and strengths of the enemy. It’s just that you don’t get hit - in the north-east are chalky heaps, in the north-west and west are the city, all other directions are forests and dense plantations, you can run into trouble.
  39. Signaller
    Signaller 16 May 2014 20: 27
    -1
    When starting such a thing, you need to know how to end it. Although approximately. And here is the full out. They will not take to Russia. An analogue of Transnistria. So it is necessary to go, by analogy. Another is not given yet.
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren 16 May 2014 21: 12
      0
      There is another option - to become a Russian Korea. The idea is described here - http://kornev.livejournal.com/422058.html
    2. ar-ren
      ar-ren 16 May 2014 21: 12
      0
      There is another option - to become a Russian Korea. The idea is described here - http://kornev.livejournal.com/422058.html
    3. Escander_84
      Escander_84 16 May 2014 21: 57
      0
      Dear Signalist, why are you running ahead of a steam locomotive ???? Aksyonov has already given a statement regarding cooperation with the DPR, after the creation of at least some legitimate governing bodies of the republic there. From the point of view of the world community, Crimea is either part of Ukraine or an unrecognized republic. So, de jure, everything is clean, one HP helps the other ... here and draw conclusions, if you can ...
  40. Giant thought
    Giant thought 16 May 2014 20: 42
    0
    The next assault on the junta once again will end in nothing. Self-defense, push on sop.lyam once again to these warriors.
  41. 51064
    51064 16 May 2014 20: 58
    0
    Quote: sop.ov
    It’s a bad idea to try to gain a foothold at the intersection near Semenovka. The only Nona, like poplar on ivy, a settlement on the side — Su-25 — will be smashed by everything or artillery, and then cleared using tanks.
    Already taken into account their mistakes and strengths of the enemy. It’s just that you don’t get hit - in the north-east are chalky heaps, in the north-west and west are the city, all other directions are forests and dense plantations, you can run into trouble.

    So there is essentially no air defense, the Su-25 is almost the master of the situation, well, they will even shoot down one, well, two, with fantastic luck, anyway the checkpoint will not live. Upon impact, the attack aircraft will not drop below 300 m, all waste heaps are far below. If you figured out that you can't hang anything precise on the Su 24, I take off my hat to the DPR reconnaissance. But there is still artillery left, they will adjust the KVO to be no more than 100m and level everything to the ground - a dozen fewer civilians, so what, they don't care. Apparently, the airborne photographs of the checkpoint near Semyonovka were made by the Banderlog - something was flying there high, so that they could not get out of the MANPADS. After that, there were calls of "dryers" along the Kharkiv highway, I don't know the type yet. It seems even bombed sad
    1. sop.ov
      sop.ov 16 May 2014 21: 51
      0
      Understand correctly. Pilots, though not fools, but not snipers. Judging by the shooting of Mi-24, which fell into the swamp between Raygorodok and Donetsk, an effective hit of a target hidden behind the folds of the terrain and the top of the forest occurred only from the 3-th approach. From the north and south, the Semenovka checkpoint is a tunnel in forests and forest plantations, east-west - railway tracks and a route to Krasny Liman and Slavyansk. So, there are many options, but how many of them are feasible, given the training of pilots?
    2. Escander_84
      Escander_84 16 May 2014 22: 02
      0
      It seems to me that "well, one, well, two ..." is practically all that remains combat-ready in the ukrainets.vvs. And taking into account the annual flying time ukro.pilotov at 4 o'clock. Doublet needle, will give the probability of hitting dryers tending to 99%. Maybe that's why they set up a checkpoint ...
      1. vedross
        vedross 16 May 2014 23: 09
        0
        The junta has foreign soldiers (mercenaries) on the mechanisms. A professional will also sit at the helm of the plane.
  42. sop.ov
    sop.ov 16 May 2014 21: 04
    +4
    Quote: Signaller
    When starting such a thing, you need to know how to end it. Although approximately. And here is the full out. They will not take to Russia. An analogue of Transnistria. So it is necessary to go, by analogy. Another is not given yet.

    Semenovka is a corridor with at least 2 exits. One is Lugansk via the Red Estuary, the other is the entire Donetsk region. Here the troops are not needed - enough volunteers. For us, Russia is simply a symbol of support, information assistance. All calls, smart people will understand, this is just an irritant for dill ...
  43. ar-ren
    ar-ren 16 May 2014 21: 11
    -2
    Quote: ComradeMauser
    Do not you think, Dear, that someone, after reading the post on VO: will grab his PPSh and with a shout of "Hurray" will step out of the trench ???


    Comrade Mauser himself writes that "Russians" like him cannot be trusted. That all the promises of the Russians about helping the Donetsk people are bullshit.

    And he himself is dissatisfied when such, as I call him - "fuflogons".
  44. Russ69
    Russ69 16 May 2014 21: 13
    +3
    Just leave ...

    Today I watched a unique sight. On the way, the KhAZ was turned into a staging post for the wounded and two hundred. Every day, helicopters land on takeoff, and ambulances and corpse vehicles from the city rush to them. It turns out that the Kiev karapuziks are afraid of nationwide publicity, and therefore they put boards on the KhAZ. and not at the airport, quiet niche. Yesterday, it was not the turntables that landed at all, but the transport planes - there was no way to push through. Today, a pinwheel sat down early in the morning — I hadn’t seen it, I hadn’t been at work yet. But I saw the day-time pinwheel, it was Mi-8, which was still a cow.
    Fortunately, there were no two hundredths, only an ambulance took the heavy ones. And then twenty men in uniform got out of the side, 30-40. We went to the checkpoint. As far as I understood, they were slightly wounded and shell-shocked. The shape was crumpled, the faces were weathered, their legs barely lifted, some limped. The truth behind the backs healthy, for some reason civilians, backpacks and each pair also drags a healthy chuval by one handle each. There was clearly not a weapon there, as the metal of a backpack pulls away, I know. It looks like some kind of rags, or maybe shoes and forks. They walked dejectedly, looking at asphalt. We saw that the people met them with unfriendly glances and an angry whisper, "The Nazis are coming." Only one woman leaned out the window and shouted cheerfully, "Sho guys, come back from the south, oh, how tanned!" Most of all, the action resembled the march of the captured Fritzes in Moscow in 1944. To be honest, I was struck by this coldness of the hard workers towards the National Guards. They even felt sorry for the captured Germans, all the more for the wounded.
    1. ole74
      ole74 16 May 2014 21: 45
      0
      I wanted to clarify with you - what is KhAZ?
      1. ar-ren
        ar-ren 16 May 2014 22: 08
        0
        Kharkov aircraft factory.
  45. Dave36
    Dave36 16 May 2014 21: 13
    +3
    By the way, about To Work ... in besieged Leningrad, people also went to work ... do not blame the people of Slavyansk for working ... but Russia seems to have merged so far ... and now it is not clear why and what kind of independence militias are fighting. Independence can be proclaimed, and then what ... hmm ..
    1. ultra
      ultra 16 May 2014 21: 41
      +1
      Quote: Dave36
      ..and now it’s not clear why and what kind of independence the militias are fighting.

      We argue strangely! They are fighting for their independence!
  46. Nonik
    Nonik 16 May 2014 21: 42
    +2
    Quote: Signaller
    Or stop and negotiate

    It will not work out already ... Either the National Guard under a demoralized retreat, or they can crush the riot, which is doubtful.
    PS By the way, I have not been banned on http://censor.net.ua/ for a day now, I behave correctly. Of course the mods could have escaped to rest, but we'll see. I teach them to think there slowly. But what if?
  47. Russ69
    Russ69 16 May 2014 21: 52
    +5
    Right now, I'm listening on the radio ...
    The Natsiks started firing at a post near Slavyansk. The militia responded that something had slammed down on Karachun, a big flash of fire.
    Apparently at the dill, again something detonated powerfully ...
    The shelling of the post in Slavyansk is over ...
    1. sop.ov
      sop.ov 16 May 2014 22: 19
      +4
      I confirm, 10 minutes ago, detonation started again ... The shelling has now stopped
  48. Santor
    Santor 16 May 2014 22: 01
    +6
    Quote: nycsson
    So is it any wonder that the Kremlin is alarming, and even frightening in some ways, at the powerful movement of the Russian Donbass?


    Sir, if this is your personal opinion, then you are simply poorly informed, and if the repost, then you are unfortunately a provocateur.

    I don’t want to go into details, but I’ll say this - there’s the Big Game, where the stakes are so high that you haven’t dreamed of it .. The decision will be so irrational that many simply have eyes on their foreheads popping out of surprise ... Everyone does his job - you should not know more. Everything has its time and place ....

    I will not write any more, because the opposite side would have given a lot to catch at least a hint ... Wait ... I wrote this when here they fought in hysterics splashing saliva in all directions - "A-ah-ah! Crimea!!!"

    And I am writing now .... And stop writing abominations about your country ... Or are you one of those who are going to leave in Moscow on May 18 with the slogans "Down with Putin-Putler from the Kremlin !!!" ????
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 16 May 2014 23: 06
      +2
      Quote: Santor
      Sir, if this is your personal opinion, then you are simply poorly informed, and if the repost, then you are unfortunately a provocateur.

      I wrote at the very beginning that this is an article. At the end I gave a link. Of course, I take all the information from the media. It’s good that you are well informed. Can share information .......
      Quote: Santor
      I don’t want to go into details, but I’ll say this - there’s the Big Game, where the stakes are so high that you never dreamed of ..

      Come on! I think you fell from the moon. I know, or rather guess about these rates. Of course, ours is at stake. They have compromising evidence in the west of a wagon and a small cart. And more than enough leverage over us .....
      Quote: Santor
      The decision will be so irrational that many simply have eyes on their foreheads popping out of surprise ... Everyone does his job - you should not know more. Everything has its time and place ....

      Well, what to write, I don’t even know! You are probably a big man! You know better. Your words, yes to God’s ears! And to me, a mere mortal who does not understand anything in sausage scraps, it remains only to write his speculations .....
      Quote: Santor
      And stop writing abominations about your country ...

      I write only what I think. Two higher educations help me to think .....
      I don’t pretend to the truth, but in my opinion, in our country you don’t point a finger, your ass is everywhere, in any matter: economics, demography, alcohol, drug addiction, industry, foreign policy, etc. You can write indefinitely ..... This is my opinion. If you don't like it, sorry! I understood your opinion and respect him. You would have argued somehow, you would not have a price.
      Quote: Santor
      Or are you one of those who are going to leave in Moscow on May 18 with the slogans "Down with Putin-Putler from the Kremlin !!!" ????

      God forbid! I am a simple patriot of my country and people. I am not one of these. I’m just writing my thoughts, that’s all. But it’s not forbidden in our country !?
    2. both s69
      both s69 17 May 2014 03: 00
      0
      Quote: Santor
      Sir, if this is your personal opinion, then you are simply poorly informed, and if the repost, then you are unfortunately a provocateur.

      I don’t want to go into details, but I’ll say this - there’s the Big Game, where the stakes are so high that you haven’t dreamed of it .. The decision will be so irrational that many simply have eyes on their foreheads popping out of surprise ... Everyone does his job - you should not know more. Everything has its time and place ....

      I will not write any more, because the opposite side would have given a lot to catch at least a hint ... Wait ... I wrote this when here they fought in hysterics splashing saliva in all directions - "A-ah-ah! Crimea!!!"

      And I am writing now .... And stop writing abominations about your country ... Or are you one of those who are going to leave in Moscow on May 18 with the slogans "Down with Putin-Putler from the Kremlin !!!" ????


      Thank you very much for this post! God grant that everything was exactly like that. Perhaps you are better informed than most of the people present here. Let's hope for good. And then, with these drops of protons, you involuntarily begin to think about the agents of US influence openly already operating in Roscosmos, and in Rusnano, and even surrounded by the Supreme ... It's a shame, damn it, for the country. Do people "above" measure absolutely everything with money in their lives? Selling your conscience, honor - is it normal? .. To be Judas Iscariot in the eyes of your descendants for such figures is what? The ultimate dream of their being? I do not understand. request
  49. Santor
    Santor 16 May 2014 22: 07
    +4
    Quote: Dave36
    but Russia seems to have merged so far ... and now it is not clear for what and what kind of independence the militias are fighting. Independence can be proclaimed, and then what ... hmm ..


    ... and then you need to create your own state - to build the vertical of power, build the armed forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, counterintelligence, border and customs services, financial and legal institutions, education ... School principals refuse to obey the new authorities, Kiev appoints a new head to Donetsk police and he comes ......

    Or do you think it's that simple? Well, form a platoon, put it on contentment, carry out all the established measures by the regulations, arm correctly, create an account, place people, dress, arm and feed ... At least a platoon ... And then we'll talk. We’re not rushing, people there are doing a titanic work in the absence of their own security .. There has already been an attempt - do you think it is the last? And they will try to steal and crap.
  50. sop.ov
    sop.ov 16 May 2014 22: 23
    +1
    Quote: sop.ov
    I confirm, 10 minutes ago, detonation started again ... The shelling has now stopped

    damn it! Detonation again ...