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"Nuclear" Su-35According to the "Military Industrial Courier", with reference to the leading researcher of the Institute of the USA and Canada RAS, the ex-Chief of the Main Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Viktor Esin, in case of successful negotiations between Russia and China about the supply of Chinese-made Su-35 multi-role fighters to create a carrier tactical nuclear weapons.

He noted that Beijing had announced its readiness to purchase a small batch of the “most advanced domestic multi-purpose fighter Su-35С”.

“If this transaction takes place, it cannot be ruled out that in the future, on the basis of this aircraft, the Chinese will create a new aviation carrier of tactical nuclear weapons, ”Yesin added.

The first data on the purchase of a party of fighters by China appeared at the end of 2012 of the year.
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    1. tchack
      tchack 16 May 2014 11: 30
      +13
      What is this set of words ???
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 16 May 2014 11: 39
        +8
        What is this set of words ???
        I agree, I wrote some nonsense, I need to take a break from paper abuse ....... I’ll delete now
      2. Army1
        Army1 16 May 2014 17: 25
        0
        According to the representative of the cat Medvedev, citing Obama's grandmother, Russia and China are planning something there.
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 16 May 2014 11: 34
      +5
      The Chinese are unpredictable ....
      Just the opposite. Very predictable:
      Again they will copy their ...
      1. GDP
        GDP 16 May 2014 11: 37
        +13
        With China - trade!
        but only products, not technology.
        to sell to the Chinese su 35, the same as giving a patent for its production for free. The Chinese will then copy them and displace us from the arms market, cheaper and mass products ...
        1. reader1964
          reader1964 16 May 2014 11: 49
          +6
          In my opinion, they have already copied MIG29, but for some reason it cannot take off. so, I think the fears are so far in vain.
          1. BLACK-SHARK-64
            BLACK-SHARK-64 16 May 2014 12: 45
            +2
            with China you need to be very careful ... cunning Asians copy everything ....
            1. yehat
              yehat 16 May 2014 12: 53
              +3
              Not all. they still can not copy the su-27 engines so that they have an acceptable resource
            2. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 16 May 2014 20: 04
              0
              They cannot copy everything. We are not selling them technology and we are not building factories for the manufacture of aircraft. They couldn't even copy the S-300. You cannot copy gunpowder in rockets. The Germans were unable to copy the gunpowder in the shells of our Katyushas. They are smarter than the Chinese. Nowadays, the German Barracuda (rocket torpedo) has a range of 1 km., And our Shkval 2 has a range of 13 km. At least copy, without manufacturing technology in our time it is difficult to repeat something.
          2. clidon
            clidon 16 May 2014 16: 01
            +1
            They already copied the Su-30 (J-16) and he entered service. The MiG-29s never really interested them.
    3. Alexey N
      Alexey N 16 May 2014 11: 35
      -19
      If at the head of Russia are puppets - collaborators, then they will definitely sell the Su-35! What has not yet been sold in Russia?
      1. SS68SS
        SS68SS 16 May 2014 11: 49
        +5
        Please do not express myself. No one called the Chinese enemies. Therefore, you have no right to blame the leadership of the country. And we decided to sell it, so we don’t need it ourselves. So there is something better.
        1. 1812 1945
          1812 1945 16 May 2014 12: 19
          +3
          Quote: SS68SS
          And we decided to sell it, so we don’t need it ourselves. So there is something better.

          The most likely explanation SS68SS . Well, and - China is the only probable ally of Russia, which the United States not only does not want to see in that capacity, but is afraid.
        2. Alexey N
          Alexey N 16 May 2014 13: 37
          +1
          Please do not express myself.

          What are you about?! I still did not think to express myself.
        3. alx104
          alx104 16 May 2014 19: 45
          0
          Maybe there is better, but not in the army, and the slanting does not need to sell anything worthwhile, otherwise they turn up their noses too much. It's not nice to remind of course, but they forgot who pulled them out of the "trash heap". And we don't NEED a serious enemy near the borders !!!
        4. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 16 May 2014 20: 50
          0
          You can safely call China the # 1 enemy for Russia in Asia. They sleep and see how they reached the Urals and in a dream they ask themselves: "Is it really all mine!" In case of war, China can send 400 million soldiers to Russia in a short time. Russia must have at least 10 million soldiers in the East in order to somehow contain these locusts, and now we have only 700 thousand people.
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      4. Turik
        Turik 16 May 2014 11: 54
        +2
        So far, these "puppets" are clearly bending over their Western "Masters".
        1. Alexey N
          Alexey N 16 May 2014 13: 39
          0
          It can be seen. Wipe your eyes.
      5. philip
        philip 16 May 2014 11: 54
        +5
        If at the head of Russia are puppets - collaborators, then they will definitely sell the Su-35! What has not yet been sold in Russia?

        You are my friend. priceless
        1. Alexey N
          Alexey N 16 May 2014 13: 47
          -2
          You are my friend. priceless

          You friendоto, didn’t dad and mom teach that strangers should be contacted on You? And then you can get something for something. Or did YOU grow up in an orphanage? AND YOU WALK FROM FRIENDОTO.
      6. Neighbor
        Neighbor 16 May 2014 13: 09
        +2
        +++++++++++++++++
  2. bvi1965
    bvi1965 16 May 2014 11: 28
    +4


    Again they will copy their ...
    1. SS68SS
      SS68SS 16 May 2014 11: 44
      +3
      Of course they will copy. It is necessary to approach the sale of small parties wisely. Or sell in large quantities. And not the latest developments. Then let them at least be copied ....
    2. sub307
      sub307 16 May 2014 12: 16
      +4
      And, of course. We also need to copy something from them: the death penalty for bribe-takers, embezzlers and other "good" people, for starters ..., for example.
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  4. silverwolf88
    silverwolf88 16 May 2014 11: 28
    +2
    In terms of combat load ... the aircraft is capable of carrying tactical nuclear weapons.
    You may have to refine the control system ... it’s just different for the use of nuclear weapons.
  5. Dromac
    Dromac 16 May 2014 11: 30
    +4
    I don’t even know how to relate to this. On the one hand, technology leakage, copying, we are making a competitor in the arms market, on the other hand, we are rallying against the Saxon Sax .... There are questions
  6. Kornilovets
    Kornilovets 16 May 2014 11: 30
    +2
    Maybe a greatly reduced version, they’ll sell, the engines are different ... something second-rate ...
  7. Dezot
    Dezot 16 May 2014 11: 30
    +8
    Doubtful deal. Although China is our partner, its security is above all. I hope that there will be no contract.
    1. andj61
      andj61 16 May 2014 11: 44
      +3
      If you sell, then not a small, but just a large batch, a piece of 80-100, no less, and with characteristics not exceeding ours. So, for example, the United States supplied planes to the Saudis, but worse than Israel.
      A small batch is just for thoughtful copying.
    2. BLACK-SHARK-64
      BLACK-SHARK-64 16 May 2014 12: 46
      0
      Do not need...
  8. Energet1k_
    Energet1k_ 16 May 2014 11: 31
    +8
    Fuck the Chinese, not the Su-35 and S-400! Enough of our oil and gas.
    1. MBA78
      MBA78 16 May 2014 13: 31
      0
      this is for now inform a foundling for = nato = because they want to place the same crap in europe
  9. capex1
    capex1 16 May 2014 11: 31
    +2
    “If this transaction takes place, then it cannot be excluded that in the future, on the basis of this aircraft, the Chinese will create a new aircraft carrier of tactical nuclear weapons,” added Esin.

    But the only question is - Will it fly? A copy of Su 27 is still flying with problems!
  10. sem-yak
    sem-yak 16 May 2014 11: 35
    +5
    First of all, you need to provide yourself, and then trade in surplus! Themselves with a naked woman, and the last "cowards" to the market are taking!
    1. thinker
      thinker 16 May 2014 11: 59
      +2
      First think about your homeland, and then about money! good
  11. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 16 May 2014 11: 35
    +3
    Again to China. With such a friend you go, look back more often. Soon they will advance the technology. Thanks to ours. What will we do then? The neighbors are cheating quickly.
  12. KOSMOS
    KOSMOS 16 May 2014 11: 37
    +4
    Stress such news! Okay in the 90s, the situation was difficult, it was necessary to survive, manufacturers traded for their own survival and development! But now .... My personal attitude to such a deal is negative! By the way, also relate to the sale of China S-400 !!!
  13. yulka2980
    yulka2980 16 May 2014 11: 38
    0
    I hope ours will delay the deal or put something like a radio beacon on planes, so that in case of a Chinese attack on us the planes could not function recourse
  14. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 16 May 2014 11: 38
    0
    Let them try, no matter what the child is amusing, if only he does not cry, for now this is at hand for us, and then we'll see.
  15. UREC
    UREC 16 May 2014 11: 42
    +1
    If you sell it with old engines! And not less than 100 pcs.
  16. Zmii
    Zmii 16 May 2014 11: 42
    -2
    Whatever Su 35 is a super muper, and how many pluses you don’t put, it’s still the 4th generation, which means junk should be fused for now, and the 6th generation itself should be continued.
    1. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 16 May 2014 12: 07
      +1
      Quote: Zmii
      Whatever Su 35 is a super muper, and how many pluses you don’t put, it’s still the 4th generation, which means junk should be fused for now, and the 6th generation itself should be continued.

      I support it while they copy and master technologies, by the way, they still cannot copy our engines, the pack will go into series. And the work on the next generation is most likely already going on ... Judging by the foreign policy results, Uncle Vova is trustworthy ... I won’t be surprised if the Chinese, after many years of unsuccessful cloning of the SU-35, beg the T-50 and then clone it for a long time ... and so again and again ....
  17. mig31
    mig31 16 May 2014 11: 42
    +1
    We need to come up with something to copy the model, as soon as they begin to disassemble the cogs, and the design zilch, following the example of a friend or foe ...
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 16 May 2014 11: 49
      0
      Quote: mig31
      We need to come up with something anti-copy model

      Right, right, self-liquidator put laughing . And to include it in the design documentation so that the enemies themselves assemble it and install it on their aircraft. And at the crucial moment, press one button - and that’s all, the adversary is disarmed, there’s nothing to fly on. laughing
      1. yehat
        yehat 16 May 2014 12: 58
        0
        do not need self-liquidator! on su-27 it is enough to provide for automatic self-shutdown of the compensator for dynamic instability.
        The plane simply crashes due to loss of control, and if it was on a turn, it could fall apart.
  18. rugor
    rugor 16 May 2014 11: 44
    0
    Quote: A1L9E4K9S
    Let them try, no matter what the child is amusing, if only he does not cry, for now this is at hand for us, and then we'll see.

    What is the benefit? In terms of selling several even very expensive cars? And if the copy still succeeds?
    1. yehat
      yehat 16 May 2014 13: 01
      0
      it will already be dealing with the next generation - T50, F-35, etc.
      The Chinese will not be able to copy all avionics, but they will definitely save on R&D, having seen many promising solutions of other nodes.
  19. zao74
    zao74 16 May 2014 11: 46
    +4
    If they sell, it means there are already SU-40 and S-500 ... Thank God there are no fools in the leadership now.
    1. sazhka4
      sazhka4 16 May 2014 11: 53
      +4
      Quote: zao74
      Thank God no fools are in the manual now.

      Something I doubted .. The Chinese are "friends forever" while they are profitable. Friendship and decency is what we were taught at school. Living with spiders and vipers teaches us nothing. So we reach out to stroke and feed from the hand (after all, we are friends and brothers) As Mowgli said ...
  20. sazhka4
    sazhka4 16 May 2014 11: 46
    +3
    Su-35 is not intercontinental .. Where and what can they "bring". To us under the barrel? Create a headache with your own hands.
  21. Vyacheslav73
    Vyacheslav73 16 May 2014 11: 49
    0
    Quote: yulka2980
    I hope ours will delay the deal or put something like a radio beacon on planes, so that in case of a Chinese attack on us the planes could not function recourse

    That's right, it is necessary that at the right moment we need a self-destructor to work! good
  22. Dimsanych
    Dimsanych 16 May 2014 11: 53
    0
    I do not think that the military will sell the only technology of this type, especially, with the current development of the armed forces. Most likely, there are either promising developments, or already a replacement for this handsome man. Yes, the car is relatively new, although negotiations for the sale have been going on since 2012. Yes, and it is clear that if the Chinese do not buy it from us, they will copy it from another client, then we will bite our elbows. And so officially you can sell, with a note against copying.
    We must have strong friends, and friendship must be mutually beneficial. Not just because the Chinese have been supporting us lately. And if our relations with them are undermined, we will remain in the ring, this will be BEARD.
    1. sazhka4
      sazhka4 16 May 2014 13: 02
      0
      [quote = DimSanych] I do not think that the military will sell the only technology of this type, especially, with the current development of the armed forces [/ quote]
      ... But in vain.
      [quote = DimSanych] Most likely, there are either promising developments, or already a replacement for this handsome.
      ... You about the T-50 have long seen the latest news?
      copy from another client, then we will bite the elbows. And so officially you can sell, with a note against copying.
      ... Radish horseradish is not sweeter. They will still be at our side. Why make life easier for them?
  23. trenkkvaz
    trenkkvaz 16 May 2014 11: 53
    0
    You can only think of this aircraft as a carrier of tactical nuclear weapons. If China wants it, he will in any case find an aircraft for these purposes.
    What does the Su-35 have to do with it?
    1. yehat
      yehat 16 May 2014 13: 03
      0
      which they already have - the Chinese version of the Tu-16, for example.
      they just want to create better.
  24. Angro Magno
    Angro Magno 16 May 2014 11: 54
    0
    Information about nothing. The sensation failed.
  25. Palych9999
    Palych9999 16 May 2014 11: 56
    -3
    Let them use it as they want, just to pay money.
    For the Russian Air Force, this aircraft is not defining
    1. sazhka4
      sazhka4 16 May 2014 12: 01
      +3
      Quote: Palych9999
      For the Russian Air Force, this aircraft is not defining

      For the Air Force, perhaps.
      For the Russian Federation to have them at hand is undesirable and unacceptable ..
      1. Palych9999
        Palych9999 16 May 2014 12: 08
        +4
        To support the defense industry, selling weapons is a necessity.
        China is not the worst buyer.
        It is better to sell for the days of the PRC than on dubious barter "underdeveloped" countries.
        We just (excluding energy) simply do not have what to trade.
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  26. Giant thought
    Giant thought 16 May 2014 12: 00
    +3
    And why do not we ourselves make the SU-35 a carrier of tactical nuclear weapons. In my opinion, this would be nice, and would serve as a deterrent for NATO members planning to deploy tactical nuclear weapons fighters in Europe.
    1. marder4
      marder4 16 May 2014 12: 03
      +1
      in general, it’s logical, although there will be a squeal in the EU about this - mom do not cry
    2. yehat
      yehat 16 May 2014 13: 07
      -1
      because we already have about 150 specialized carriers. For example, the most numerous Tu-22M3. This is more than enough.
  27. Wiruz
    Wiruz 16 May 2014 12: 01
    0
    Generally nefig China Su-35 sell. They seem to be stirring something up with four IPPs. Get out and fly at them.
  28. Sinbad
    Sinbad 16 May 2014 12: 03
    0
    But you never know what we are and to whom we sell. The main thing is not for the Motherland! And the news, just from the traitor.
  29. marder4
    marder4 16 May 2014 12: 05
    +2
    IMHO all is not worth supplying the Chinese with the most modern ...
    1. sazhka4
      sazhka4 22 May 2014 09: 11
      0
      Quote: marder4
      all should not supply the Chinese with the most modern ...

      "most modern" .. What do you mean? If there was anything, it was sold long ago .. The new ones have already sold .. What exactly? What is it that we (them) do not know?
  30. jovanni
    jovanni 16 May 2014 12: 09
    +2
    And why do we need this hemorrhoid "small batch" ?!
  31. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 16 May 2014 12: 16
    +1
    They were already stepping on this rake, pushing the Germans strategic materials in the 30s! What then did this benefit cost us?
  32. JackTheRipper
    JackTheRipper 16 May 2014 12: 22
    +1
    Chuprin's book "The Military Power of the Celestial Empire" is affirmed. that all Su-27s carry 1 tactical nuclear bomb. Therefore, everything seems to be logical - they are switching from the Su-27 to the Su-35, while the Su-27s are not going to be written off yet.
  33. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 16 May 2014 12: 22
    +4
    Personally, I am categorically against the trade in our advanced weapons with anyone.
    Or have we got surpluses? Not! Making money? That way is stupid.
    Are we exporting truncated versions? So the Chinese will quickly increase their characteristics and give us a head start ...
    Obviously, the point is money, contrary to the interests of national security.
  34. rubin6286
    rubin6286 16 May 2014 12: 23
    +2
    It seems to me that if a sample of military equipment is put up for sale, then the technologies embedded in it have ceased to be a military secret and are available for development by other countries. Su-35S is expensive to manufacture and rather difficult to master and operate. Knowing your level of technology, it can be assumed that it is better to sell your product than to assume that the buyer has turned his gaze to similar and competitive samples of other countries "friendly" to Russia.
    1. RONIN-HS
      RONIN-HS 16 May 2014 13: 08
      +3
      TRADERS, but you didn’t get lost on the site ... ???
      The traders have already got it, everywhere they argue - "... profitable - not profitable ...", "... what to offer ...", "... buyers, and competitiveness ..."!
      We have our pilots train "on foot - like an airplane", or on the Yak-130 - if anyone is lucky! The raid on the pilot is scanty, a year ago the planes fought every week. Its territory is covered only over Moscow, there is one plane per 1000 km of the state border, and there - SELL ... SELL and sell! fool
      First, solve your problems!
      And then you can sell what is outdated friendly Penguin to Antarctica, and the unpredictable neighbor and An-2 will cost ...! feel
  35. GRune
    GRune 16 May 2014 12: 46
    +2
    Only a foolish person can enjoy it!
  36. suharev-52
    suharev-52 16 May 2014 12: 47
    +2
    At the moment, China is the only one who supports us in the confrontation with America. Sale for export is always with truncated functionality. So it is necessary to sell, but not 3-5 pieces, but at least 30-50. With respect.
  37. iwind
    iwind 16 May 2014 13: 06
    +2
    How sweet ... Just yesterday, I remembered this. I bet that 3-4 years after the sale, a new J-XX of a purely Chinese design will appear in a "magical" way ...
  38. -Patriot-
    -Patriot- 16 May 2014 13: 17
    0
    The fact that they’ll stick copies is like giving a drink, but they will sell at 100% far from the original.
  39. nikrandel
    nikrandel 16 May 2014 13: 52
    +1
    I am sure that in the event of any war, God forbid, their equipment will fail.
    Because we created our technique from scratch, calculated, tested, treated the brainchild as a child. And the Chinese are only artificially copying, with virtually no verification in practice. Remember only the copied AK 47, which is still much inferior to our original, no matter how clearly they copy.
  40. kelevra
    kelevra 16 May 2014 14: 53
    -2
    As usual, all the best, Abroad!
  41. Aikusun
    Aikusun 16 May 2014 17: 12
    +1
    I understand that they simply copy, but it seems to me that the most modern aircraft can not be sold, only a model of the past generation!
  42. Maksim...
    Maksim... 16 May 2014 17: 32
    0
    Um ... the news has been, like, two years already ...
  43. da Vinci
    da Vinci 16 May 2014 19: 50
    0
    China needs to be sold 10 years after the introduction of the aircraft in series.
  44. misljachii
    misljachii 16 May 2014 19: 56
    0
    but it seems to me worth selling, so our design bureaus will not be in place, they will continue to improve our technology
  45. demand1
    demand1 16 May 2014 21: 39
    0
    some kind of meaningless
  46. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 16 May 2014 23: 47
    0
    You can also sell the SU-35, but with the engine from the SU-27 they already copied it, let them fly on it further, but from the electronics system, but from the previous models, that is, the old generation, I think that our mustache doesn’t It will be a big deal of effort to shove something that is not crammed into the new one for China from the old models, that is, it would be better to upgrade the old plane and call it new.