Presentation of the MiG-35 two-seater in Kazakhstan

According to the "Lenta.ru", 22-25 in May in Kazakhstan will host the international exhibition of weapons and military equipment KADEX-2014 with the participation of the Russian aircraft manufacturing corporation "MiG", which will present a prototype of the double version of the promising light fighter MiG-35.

Piloting of the multifunctional fighter will be carried out by test navigator Nikolai Murmilov and test pilot Stanislav Gorbunov.

In addition, the MiG will show in Kazakhstan the upgraded MiG-29М / М2 and deck fighters MiG-29К / KUB, as well as a complex of three-dimensional visualization as part of the combat simulator STBP-29.

Kazakhstan's President Nursultan Nazarbayev announced in May 2012 of the year that Astana is going to purchase a batch of MiG-35 fighter jets.

It is also worth noting that the delivery of these fighters is provided for in the state armaments program of Russia up to 2020. In mid-April of this year, the Russian Defense Ministry announced that the contract for the supply of 24 MiG-35 plan to sign after the 2016 year. In just a few years, RSK MiG has to assemble about a hundred fighters.

Comments

[silverwolf88]

Normal marketing ... if you want to sell - show the possibilities.

[Canep]

We should have an assembly and repair plant in Kazakhstan, and then the aircraft industry that creates some kind of frivolous. Let it belong to the KLA so that it is in Kazakhstan, so that its cadres appear.

[Artist]

Production facilities must be created in Russia, as with Nazarbayev’s retirement, Kazakhstan can change its attitude towards Russia, and the transfer of production, in which case, is a laborious and expensive process.

[Andrey KZ]

Quote: Artist

Production facilities must be created in Russia, as with Nazarbayev’s retirement, Kazakhstan can change its attitude towards Russia, and the transfer of production, in which case, is a laborious and expensive process.

Your concerns are understandable, but I, as a citizen of Kazakhstan, will tell you that the vast majority of Kazakhs have a very good attitude towards Russia, and I see no reason for the situation to change with the departure of Nazarbayev. Of course, our sworn friends can try to rock our common boat, but whatever that happens, we need to cooperate as much as possible, not only economically, but also industrially. I completely agree with Minesweeper. By the way, the other day, the Kazakh parliament ratified an agreement on joint air defense with Russia.

[Al_lexx]

Quote: Canep

We should have an assembly and repair plant in Kazakhstan, and then the aircraft industry that creates some kind of frivolous. Let it belong to the KLA so that it is in Kazakhstan, so that its cadres appear.

+100500

It brings together and strengthens. Recently, a certain jerk of Nazarbayev, in relation to Putin, is somewhat annoying. Taking a step towards meeting the Kazakhs will be very useful both politically and militarily.

[Samaritan]

Something Antonov did not bring us much closer with the Ukrainians ... As a result, we are without planes, they are without work ...

[0255]

Quote: Samaritan

Something Antonov did not bring us much closer with the Ukrainians ... As a result, we are without planes, they are without work ...

Antonov is to blame for the Maidan? As if Antonov Design Bureau did not grab some Boeing or Airbus

[Thompson]

It’s just that our friends do not give us reasons to be sure of tomorrow’s friendship. It really hurts them in the wind, like a weather vane. Therefore, this is the case.

[290980]

Still, we would have an assembly and repair plant in Kazakhstan, otherwise the aircraft industry is creating some kind of frivolous one.

for this, personnel are needed, right now, just buy and sell, and the rest cannot be quoted, there in Astana they built a factory for screwdriver assembly of German helicopters, it seems to be a good job, but there are not enough specialists.

[Andrey KZ]

Quote: 290980

for this, personnel are needed, right now, just buy and sell, and the rest cannot be quoted, there in Astana they built a factory for screwdriver assembly of German helicopters, it seems to be a good job, but there are not enough specialists.

The situation, I hope soon needs to change, this year state applicants for training will receive those applicants who have chosen physics or chemistry to pass UNT.

[Semurg]

Quote: Andrew KZ

Quote: 290980

for this, personnel are needed, right now, just buy and sell, and the rest cannot be quoted, there in Astana they built a factory for screwdriver assembly of German helicopters, it seems to be a good job, but there are not enough specialists.

The situation, I hope soon needs to change, this year state applicants for training will receive those applicants who have chosen physics or chemistry to pass UNT.

For 3-4 years already, the state has been giving a signal to people what specialties are needed and in demand, grants from the state are 70-80% in technical specialties, and all kinds of lawyers-economists study at their own expense.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Semurg

The state already for a year 3-4 gives a signal to people what specialties are needed and in demand, grants from the state for 70-80% for technical specialties

At least 10 years. A German student came for an exchange internship. I was surprised that there are a lot of girls studying for technical specialties. They say they don't have that. So, I asked the girls, for example. s / t "Production of building materials" why do you study on this specialty ?!
Answered the following was a real opportunity to study for free ..

Quote: Semurg

and all sorts of lawyers-economists study at their own expense.

After free training in those. Universities most of them go to study lawyers economists. The second higher 2 of the year and therefore not so expensive. And as a rule, they are already working and can afford it ..

Quote: 290980

In Kazakhstan, it is necessary to develop wind and solar energy.

Duc and develop. At least the subject of "EXPO-2017"
In the Kostanay region, even a biogas plant was installed, set up, works. True, the problem arose from the fact that electricity is produced, but can not sell. Since the regulatory part is not worked out ((
In SevKaz wind turbine works.
In Pavlodar, lights are already working from sunlight. In Lisakovsk, they are working on this issue ..

[290980]

Quote: Alibekulu

10 years at least. A German student came for an exchange internship. I was surprised that in a lot of girls to study in technical specialties. Like they do not have this.

Your German lied, here the girls are also at the machine tools and the tanks with the ships are even assembled, I saw it myself.

[290980]

The situation, I hope that soon should change, this year state applicants for training will receive those applicants who have chosen physics or chemistry to pass UNT

Yes, I’m not talking about physicists and all sorts of other botanical coffers, but specialists on whom the processing and assembly of the processed material depends, and I know how things are in the KZ personally, I worked at Tselinselmash, many specialists went abroad with the collapse of the union, and young people as before wrote above buy and sell, all in search of easy money. In Kazakhstan, it is necessary to develop wind and solar energy.

[Semurg]

Quote: 290980

The situation, I hope that soon should change, this year state applicants for training will receive those applicants who have chosen physics or chemistry to pass UNT

Yes, I’m not talking about physicists and all sorts of other botanical coffers, but specialists on whom the processing and assembly of the processed material depends, and I know how things are in the KZ personally, I worked at Tselinselmash, many specialists went abroad with the collapse of the union, and young people as before wrote above buy and sell, all in search of easy money. In Kazakhstan, it is necessary to develop wind and solar energy.

as you understand, you are asking about vocational schools and colleges (workers and secondary students) it wouldn’t be good, but the question is solved when asked by industry if you are not able to learn the remaining aboriginal workers and workers , I can’t help you with this in any way since you think so and will consider it that way.

[Semurg]

Quote: 290980

Still, we would have an assembly and repair plant in Kazakhstan, otherwise the aircraft industry is creating some kind of frivolous one.

for this, personnel are needed, right now, just buy and sell, and the rest cannot be quoted, there in Astana they built a factory for screwdriver assembly of German helicopters, it seems to be a good job, but there are not enough specialists.

Assembling helicopters is a semi-state business, the private sector is where turnover and profit are trade (buy-sell), but now I’m looking at money people began to set up production, and specialists will appear if there is demand from industry.

[Kasym]

290980. Thank you for your attention to the Republic of Kazakhstan. In Alma-Ata there is a 405th factory for the repair of turntables. Until 2010, ate making ends meet. I was surprised that the assembly of Eurocopters was given to Astana, to a new plant, because 405th barely survived. But since 2010, work at 405m is enough. There, even the Afghan repair and from all over the region. And they say that in 2013 they agreed to assemble the Ka-226 on it. At 405, youth appeared. So the smoking room lives.
And then there is the Bolashak state program. 5 students, at the expense of the state, study abroad the specialties necessary for the Republic of Kazakhstan. Emphasis on engineers, doctors, mechanics and specialists. in the fundamental sciences (in short, techies are needed). In general, 000 st. from Kazakhstan.

[290980]

And then there is the Bolashak state program. 5 students, at the expense of the state, study abroad the specialties necessary for the Republic of Kazakhstan. Emphasis on engineers, doctors, mechanics and specialists. in the fundamental sciences (in short, techies are needed). In general, 000 st. from Kazakhstan

yes, I’m aware, we’re looking at both Khabar and sevenKZ and there are personal contacts at a decent level and I myself often visit Kazakhstan, about Bolashak, there’s not everything even there, many people staying in the West stay there, so that just over half of those sent back to Kazakhstan .

[Semurg]

Quote: Canep

We should have an assembly and repair plant in Kazakhstan, and then the aircraft industry that creates some kind of frivolous. Let it belong to the KLA so that it is in Kazakhstan, so that its cadres appear.

Assembling and repairing with us is an ideal and win-win option, but the arms managers from the Russian Federation, in my opinion, will lay down but will not give (unless the GDP barks at them). This has already passed through other types of weapons.

[VAF]

Quote: Canep

We should have an assembly and repair plant in Kazakhstan, and then the aircraft industry that creates some kind of frivolous. Let it belong to the KLA so that it is in Kazakhstan, so that its cadres appear.

I'm only for +! A MINUS article, why? substantiate:
1. Tape.sru.
2. There are no prototypes with the name Mig-35. there is a single ground version of the Mig-29m / m2, which for the Russian Federation goes as Mig-35s
3. this presentation was held back in 2012 by Misha Belyaev, even the Commander-in-Chief and the chief of staff of the Kazakh Air Force were "driven" .... everyone was happy, but then there was an option with an "afarov beetle" in the project ... but the project was not born . As you know, and the aircraft as a result of which, it was not "delivered".
Photo facts can not be provided, because. I am far away and for ... "ruble".
Hello!

[VAF]

Quote: vaf

Photo facts can not be provided, because. I am far away and for ... "ruble".

Marina has a picture "embossed" for clarity ... Belyaev and Nazarbayev (after the flight of Belyaev and Gorbunov on the MiG-29M2)

[Giant thought]

Of course, the Russian Air Force needs replenishment with good light fighters, we hope that this process will not drag on for many years, but will be fleeting and dynamic.

[from punk]

it is difficult to imagine our country without MIG-s. so I hope that this brand of airplanes will still be in our skies for a long time

[mig31]

It's time to raise our swallows to new heights ...

[rugor]

Beautiful car!

[Stump]

I wonder what generation this device can be attributed to. the fifth probably is unlikely to pull, 4+?

[0255]

Quote: Stump

I wonder what generation this device can be attributed to. the fifth probably is unlikely to pull, 4+?

Or 4+, or 4 ++. When the MiG will create a 5th generation fighter is unknown Although there are projects

[Stump]

ATP for information, comrade)

[clidon]

He will pull 4+. There is an OVT, TVs in the cockpit, an updated board and an updated "smokeless" engine. When AFAR is done for him, you can add one more plus sign.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Minesweeper! I agree. It will not be bad if the capacities are placed. And the next cooperation with Russia and good advertising for 35.

[major071]

Mig-35 - symbol of a promising fighter of Russian production, NATO code designation "Fulcrum F"
Radar "Beetle-A" with an active phased antenna array;
increase in combat load;
increased fuel supply with the possibility of refueling in the air and use as a refueler;
anti-corrosion protection according to the type of MiG-29K;
lower radar visibility;
three-channel remote control system with fourfold redundancy;
increased reliability, durability, aircraft and engine life;
reduction in flight hour cost by 2,5 times;
increased autonomous basing capabilities (for example, an oxygen producing station on board);
new electronic engine control system RD-33МК;
the possibility of using the RD-33MK modification with a deflected thrust vector, tested on an experimental MiG-29M OVT;
built-in and container optical-location stations (OLS) and helmet-mounted target designation and aiming system;
defense complex with electronic warfare equipment, detectors of attacking missiles and laser irradiation, automatic ejection of false targets;
open architecture avionics.

[uralkos]

Yes, we would need such not 24, but 240 at least. What kind of orders are so ridiculous, we are not Germany with their territory, we have such open spaces here that fly and fly. Borders are more than enough, there will always be an application.

[mamont5]

"In mid-April this year, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced that the contract for the supply of 24 MiG-35s is planned to be signed after 2016."

Correctly. May the south of the Union be protected.

[Wiruz]

In just a few years, MiG will have to assemble about a hundred fighters.

I would rather. And for what year the company has been operating at a loss, does not even work, but simply exists.

[Roman 1977]

MiG-35 is equal in weight to EF-2000, somewhat heavier than J-10, Rafale. Lighter than F-15, F-35. Compared to breadcrumbs, yes, lightweight. Slightly heavier than the F – 18 and Rafale, although Gripen is much lighter, he has one engine. So the Migar is a real light front-line fighter, only the Yak-130 is lighter than it in Russia.
With a new radar, electronics and a large fuel supply, the MiG-35 will become a leader among light fighters, the glider's potential allows. The advantage of NATO machines will be only in electronic warfare equipment, and that is not a fact. And the price promises to be much lower than the classmates that F – 18, that Rafale. Rafal is generally the most expensive one.

[Wiruz]

And yet MiGs are more beautiful than Sushki! IMHO

[dmitrij.blyuz]

to sign after 2016. " But earlier, no way? After all, a very good car.

[storm wind]

Competition is important - competition is needed! After all, not only Dryers can be proud And light fighters are needed. We are now mainly involved in the defense industry industry - here and give orders!

[Asan Ata]

Migi so Migi. If the guys decided that we need Migi. I hope that the service will not rust.

[kirieeleyson]

Will MiG 35 be equipped with container-type weapons?

[Semurg]

and the Russian Federation itself is buying the MIG-35 for its Air Force and is it in service anywhere else? If not, then RK does not need to buy a cat in a bag yet, because there are possible problems during operation and app. parts. If only we can build the assembly according to the type of how Grippen gathered in Brazil to produce, and so it’s not worthwhile to take a raw MIG better than a SU that is run-in.

[0255]

Do you have enough money for a more expensive Su?

[Semurg]

Quote: 0255

Do you have enough money for a more expensive Su?

Well, the Minister of Finance announced the figure of 105 yards of Baku in the bins of the motherland, and will our authorities decide whether this money is enough for airplanes for the RK Air Force. Recently, infa passed that you used to buy dryers after thorough repair.

[Don]

Quote: Semurg

Recently, infa passed that you used to buy dryers after thorough repair.

Old (now undergoing modernization) Indian Su-30K sold to Angola.

[Aydar]

they didn’t buy a used one, but they carried out a major overhaul in the 558 Baranavichy plant, and in the same place they modernized Su. Russian ARZ loaded with orders for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

[Aydar]

there is money, the question of this product is finished or not, it’s known about some problems on the su-35, and the question of delivery time. The question is about maintenance and spare parts, so that it doesn’t work out like with Indian and Venezuelan SU aircraft.

[Zymran]

I agree. In general, I am for Rafale.

But seriously, under the wise guidance of the Sun, money in the country will soon end.

[Semurg]

Quote: Zymran

I agree. In general, I am for Rafale.

But seriously, under the wise guidance of the Sun, money in the country will soon end.

the sun-faced man is on the verge of age, and in the next world money is not needed, but a prayer for him (or a curse) is needed, and he, like a far from stupid person, thinks about this.

[Zymran]

I do not agree. First of all, he thinks about family.

[Semurg]

Quote: Zymran

I do not agree. First of all, he thinks about family.

we all first of all think about ourselves and our loved ones (family), but due to age after 59-60 you start to think about the eternal .

[Zymran]

So it is true, but he must understand that after his departure many questions will arise that will directly affect you know who.

[Semurg]

My personal opinion, such as the first president of the Republic of Kazakhstan of the National Academy of Sciences of NAS, worked, if not 5, then 4 exactly, if you were talking about family assets, they would have been privatized anyway, since the form of ownership would change if not for them, then for others. And the whole question is that they would own these assets without forgetting about the Republic of Kazakhstan (taxes, deductions, funds, etc.), and who exactly got the question is not the first on the list. The main thing for me is that in the rest of the time I wouldn’t screw up myself and prevent others from screwing up because of my age (illness and old age dull the brain). IMHO.

[Zymran]

The failure of building a civil society, the failure of a bunch of industrial programs, the same FIID, the Taiga Union, an epic file with Kashagan, terrible corruption. And most importantly, no one has been punished for these failures.
Wild price increases, prices for consumer goods, housing, cars are comparable or higher than in the United States. And what do you call it worked on 4 or 5?

Yes, there is no war, thanks to LN for that.

[Semurg]

He has a lot of stocks, but he became at the helm in times of drastic changes (collapse of a single state + change of social system). And it will leave (if it doesn’t hurt) a fully-fledged state, of course we can say that Singapore did not build with us, but looking at our neighbors in the former USSR we have more or less human situevina (this is 4, and if Singapore had built then 5)

[supertiger21]

Quote: Zymran

In general, I am for Rafale.

And why do you have such an initiative?

[Don]

Quote: Semurg

and the Russian Federation itself is buying the MIG-35 for its Air Force and is it in service anywhere else? If not, then RK does not need to buy a cat in a bag yet, because there are possible problems during operation and app. parts.

Well, the MiG will most likely give a guarantee for operation and for spare parts, the contract will most likely be signed. The Russian Federation is going to buy it.

Quote: Semurg

If only we can arrange the assembly according to the type of how Grippen gathered in Brazil to produce

It would be possible, only in which plant? It seems that there are no aircraft manufacturing plants in the Republic of Kazakhstan, and I think there are few specialists either.

Quote: Semurg

and so it’s not worth while taking the raw MIG better than the SU which is run-in.

Heavy fighters, of course, are also needed to gain superiority in the air. I think 2-3 squadrons of Su-30MK2 would not hurt. And the MiG-31 of your Air Force would not hurt to upgrade to the MiG-31BM level.

[Soviet_Union]

More, more needed. Let the boys fly. Okay, while there are no specialists, there are no planes to do, but we have to fly airbases.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

take better SU which is run-in Su-car of another class. MiG-light front-line fighter, Su-heavy fighter. The application functions they have are somewhat different.

[Semurg]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

take better SU which is run-in Su-car of another class. MiG-light front-line fighter, Su-heavy fighter. The application functions they have are somewhat different.

Well, this is understandable, but a fleet of fighters of different classes is expensive and what can MIG do that SU cannot do? the fact that driving a heavy SU is more expensive than a light MIG is understandable, but then Grippen is even easier.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

It is better to take a SU which is run-in with a Su-machine of another class. A small-light front-line fighter, a Su-heavy fighter. The functions of their use are somewhat different.

.

Quote: Semurg

Well, this is understandable, but the fleet of fighters of a different class is expensive and what can MIG do that will not be able to do SU?

As far as I understood the MiG-35 at the price and operation came close to the heavier SU.
And then the question arises about the very meaning of using the MiG-35 as an LFI, since "why pay more" and it is easier to buy an SU at a slightly higher price.
And by the way, if I'm not mistaken, the MiG-35 has a small combat load - 2,2 tons. Well, there is no AFAR, that is, it is, in fact, like another variation of the VAZ, "FIAT-124" - only the indexes change ..

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

Minesweeper! I agree. It will not be bad if the capacities are placed. And the next cooperation with Russia and good advertising for 35.

As if the other day on "VO" was infa that Putin gave instructions that the defense enterprises would be in the Russian Federation.

Quote: Thompson

Just our friends do not give us a reason to be confident in the friendship of tomorrow.

Generally speaking, in RK, they often think of Russians

Quote: Canep

We should have an assembly and repair plant in Kazakhstan, and then the aircraft industry that creates some kind of frivolous. Let it belong to the KLA so that it is in Kazakhstan, so that its cadres appear.

So, it seems like Marek and wrote that, in general, the Russians turn up their noses from the proposals of the Kazakhs on joint production ..
So, once again, as I write Cato: "Gripen" tilkey out
Scandinavians and the plant will be built, and the technologies will be shared and the staff trained.
Well, the payment can be tied to the procurement of products in Kazakhstan - barter.
Vaughn and Artist, Samaritan, Thompson, 290980 and others will be satisfied)))

[Semurg]

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Now Kasym will drop into the branch and prove that Kazakhstan needs this under-plane Grippen as the fifth leg (both the load capacity is not the same and the range is not the same, and finally Swedish technology is capricious and AFAR has not yet been thrust), and if you take Grippen, you will have to change a lot of things and in the Air Force (ammunition nomenclature, retraining of pilots, etc.) and in the air defense (friend or foe system) and the Russian Federation is tense (competitors in Kazakhstan are on it), so we will go to a VAZ, that is, fly to MIG or SU, and the assembly and repair with us is finally fantastic (this option is only for China or Brazil)

[marshes]

Welcome all!
Perhaps they will not buy a large number, for political purposes or for mutual settlement for anything.
Then it can somehow be modernized on the "side" for corrected ammunition, small caliber, for pinpoint strikes.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Semurg

Now Kasym will enter the branch

There was an idea to write an article "Gripen" - a fighter for Kazakhstan!?! "
So I'm afraid the modernists will not miss such an unheard-of "heresy" ...

Quote: Semurg

Kasim will prove that Kazakhstan needs this under-plane Grippen as a fifth leg (and not the right one

Nayhas claims that with the MiG-29M / 35 more 4,5 tonnes the combat load could not be squeezed out. "Gripen" - maximum combat load, kg 5300

Quote: Semurg

and the range is not the same

Combat radius: "Gripen" - 1 km, MiG-300 - 35 km .. Yes, and the Swedes just need to order range requirements, I think they will ..

Quote: Semurg

If you take Grippen, you will have to change a lot of things in the Air Force (nomenclature of ammunition, retraining of pilots, etc.) and in the air defense system (friend or foe system)

If I am not mistaken in Malaysia in service with the F-16 and Drying, and nothing, like each other did not beat ..

Quote: Semurg

Your Swedish technique is capricious and AFAR is not stuck)

As if "gripene" is sharpened for operation in such conditions as in the Republic of Kazakhstan. AFAR in the 35th no and for the Swede, it seems to have already been done ..
And another factor in favor of "Gripen" - since Sweden is a country of "victorious socialism" they will have a "fair price". And in the Russian Federation recently, the price includes - diamonds and a house on the sea of ​​a mistress, teaching children in England, "kickback" and many others. other ..

Quote: Semurg

so we will go to the WHA

With all the absurdities with the MiG, they will buy him, of course, since this is a political question .. Oh

[iwind]

I would recommend paying attention to the Gripen NG which is being done for Brazil, a completely different plane. Even everyone has a favorite cruising supersonic
Length over all 15.2 m
Wingspan (including launchers) 8.6 m
Height overall 4.5 m
Maximum take-off weigh 16.5 tons
Up to speed
M2.0 and supersonic at all altitudes
Thrust > 22000lbs
Payload 7.2 tons
Max fuel 7 tons
Super Cruise > M 1.2
Manoeuvrability 9g
Max Range > 4000 km
Landing distance < 500 m
Engine replacement < 1 hour
Turnaround time < 10 min
Cost per flight hour < $4000

[Kasym]

Guys, good evening! I am not a pilot, but I saw him on the use of weapons at an air training ground during his service in the SA. There are pros here, so why not ask them? For example, the VAF (he flew on it). He, like those pilots with whom I managed to talk about him, including Flight Leaders (RP) with the rank of lieutenant colonels and colonels. Reply to the MiG-29 . What else do you need. Oh yes, facts. The fact that he beat all these F-16,18,15, Mirages, etc. in close combat said by the Luftwaffe pilots themselves. Training course. What else does.
Glamorous western planes haunt you. Rafal is good, there is nothing to say, but the MiG-35 (if they bring it, but there is nowhere to go) will not give in to him. But did anyone think how much the treasury (our grandmothers) would cost this Rafal with the training of pilots and techies? Then it is definitely cheaper from the Su-27 family. Grippen - well, it's a commercial plane. The USSR passed the stage with single-engine aircraft. Life taught, MiG-21,23. He himself witnessed the disaster with the MiG-23 at our site. Even the textbook Yak-130 with 2 engines (he was surprised).
Semurg, it’s not my fault that the Soviet (Russian) and American fighters are considered the best in the world. And your hint at the VAZ, I think, is not appropriate. The production of fighters in the Republic of Kazakhstan is a utopia. Even those French, Swedes cannot achieve profitability. If the Indians cut off a contract with the French for Rafal, it is unlikely that he will ever pay off. We need maximum repair capacity, no more.
I am convinced that the MiG-35 should become the main fighter in our skies. And not a large heavy fleet with the MiG-31.

[marshes]

The other day, I looked at Google maps, was interested in quarries on Kapchig, I haven’t been there for a long time, fishing was good there. For one, Zhetigen, Nikolaevka, I looked, the map of 2014, I saw a lot of interesting things.

[290980]

I also know one interesting point 23 km from the Almaat Taldykurgan highway))), the exit to Kapchagay, from the factory on the left.

[Semurg]

Kasim. Assembly and repair of fighters on the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan is not fantastic if there is political will (profitability outside the brackets as well as the profitability of Asian Games, expo, etc.). I am for the purchase of an airplane (and for RK this is a fleet I think of 100 planes) which will be assembled and repaired by us, and whose issue it will be is not the main one (the Russian Federation does not give us such rights yet, but the Swedes give Brazilians such an opportunity). By the way, Azerbaijan is buying 50 electric locomotives from us, although they also said that it would not be profitable, etc.

[Kasym]

Well, assembly and repair, I think, can be done. Sagat, that's what I think. From the facts:
1.Russia, due to the state of Ukraine, localizes the production of defense orders at home. In short, the entire military-industrial complex.
2. The growth of GDP in 2013, and for this year the forecast is almost zero. This was predicted by Kudrin. He called the program for the rearmament and modernization of the army the reason.
3. Not once did information pass that they would cut this program. That fleet, then something else. That is, they have been counted for many times. And inflation is still decent. Crimea fell headlong (I mean the financial side). How much more will have to be spent in Ukraine is unclear. What time does this localization pour out? The same engine turntables from Motor Sich, or rockets, or metallurgical products Zaporizhstal. There remains, according to an article on this site, about 140 productions through the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.
Hence the conclusion that Putin will give the go-ahead in our direction. The ascetic has already written that Putin gave the go-ahead on Baikonur, even if "even to his own detriment" (although I don't understand how much damage we will repair the infrastructure there and invest in general). I think that the Republic of Kazakhstan can take over MiG. A couple of billions (where to salt them next, we’ll probably be in the top 10 per capita) for revision (even this is a lot, he’s already in many ways a finished car) and finance the order. Of course, not without its conditions for repairs, etc. (up to promotions). We are still on the threshold of the Union, and no matter who we can trust.
That is, the RF alone pull the entire MIC, well, no matter how. There is no country in the world that could itself carry all the military-industrial complex. Even the USA cannot do this. Therefore, you need to attract someone. Who, if not allies. The West is an example. And who has this opportunity among Russia's allies? Only Kazakhstan so far. In principle, we don’t need much assembly, but repair of equipment that will be in service with the Republic of Kazakhstan. Russia has already talked about the privatization of military-industrial complex facilities, some shares. I think they can also give us an opportunity. Here it makes sense to invest well already. Russian weapons - 2nd place on the market. Good business.
Sagat, I think civilian aircraft are better (the market is orders of magnitude larger). Than fighters (a very narrow and specific market, it’s better to buy MiG stocks and thereby fit in. MiG is a global brand. They only need money and that's it). The same locomotives, they were checked already in Siberia. Something like that.

[Zymran]

By the way, if I choose the time, then I’m going to Kadex, I can take a little picture.

[marshes]

No matter how the Russians ignored it again, as it was in 2012. Then they "blinked" their eyes, for which they did not buy anything, except for what had been ordered earlier.
It is necessary to fight for sales markets and does not refer to the customer with "high".
"We don't need flintlocks."

[290980]

And de will pass?

[marshes]

Quote: 290980

And de will pass?

In Astana, May 22-25.

[VAF]

Quote: marshes

In Astana, May 22-25.

By the way, we managed to buy chocolate on the way. "ASTANA is called". As a person who spent his whole life on chocolate (voluntarily and compulsorily, because he was included in the ration) and not simple, but NORMAL chocolate. 75% of cocoa beans, i.e. I understand something about him.
Well ... I took it for a test. I’ve got to drink almost another 500 miles (do not eat coffee all the time .. the age is not the same),
and so ... I took a tile-framed ... class in all 9 weight by the way 100 gr, not 75 like ours) and the price .. yeah funny 52 rubles.
Okay, I went .... I started to chew .... in short, I will not paint the sensations .... I returned to 1805 and bought two boxes (they didn’t have more in the store).
Best chocolate, guys. Honestly, I didn’t eat !!!
Not advertising, but bare fact. as well as ...... do not drive your cars to Crimea (Timoshevsk-Port Kavkaz section) (unless you have a "frame" and "DEPENDENT" suspension and it is desirable that "reinforced", with 300 wheels and disks on 19)
The tank should be 160 liters (Rostov-Sevastopol-Rostov was enough for me) gasoline only at home (in the Crimea from 40 and above).
it is advisable to purchase large bags-refrigerators (if there are no built-in bags in the car, although they are not very large in size, so that it would be possible to "secure" the products - at least 0 times cheaper and ... I "ate" this quality only during the flourishing of the Union - everything is natural. Therefore, "pinned" with him and butter and sour cream and boiled sausage, not to mention smoked sausage, LAT (!!!!) and BREAD ..... guys .. it's all FANTASTIC !!!

[marshes]

Quote: vaf

By the way, we managed to buy chocolate on the way. "ASTANA is called". As a person who spent his whole life on chocolate (voluntarily and compulsorily, because he was included in the ration) and not simple, but NORMAL chocolate. 75% of cocoa beans, i.e. I understand something about him.

Himself in childhood overeat. And so I basically eat Kazakhstan chocolate.
I don’t understand about Crimea?
At our side, Balkhash, Borovoe, Kapchegay. Issyk Kul. And Turkey is not "abroad". There is Alakol and the Caspian.
About long trips - Hamer N-2 and Nissan Potrol, they do not go badly on broken roads, but they eat a lot, "mushrooms" on the asphalt are not scary, they appear from truckers when braking suddenly in the heat. Last year I went to Alakol, in a group. Kruzzaki "stumble".

[VAF]

Quote: marshes

I don’t understand about Crimea?

Better "public" (train or plane). Perhaps "united", but not with your own car.
About the fact that he left the car in Sevastopol. Went to the embankment. The right side mirror (warmed up ..... ss.uk.i.) Turned around and the St. George ribbon was torn off — although the machine is in the 61st region By the way, 12.00:XNUMX p.m. !!
"glass" then in the "lambourne" was cut out, inserted into the body at the middle position. but still ... not ice.
I am glad that they have not yet written on "chameleon2 paint" with a carnation.
I just went to "Safari" and went. Well why a lot ... at 18 (no air conditioning fit). But on the train ferry .. without any problems .. "parked".
Balkhash .. this is something I didn’t see such canned goods as at a local fish factory (or let out), even on sale in Yeliseyevsky!

[Semurg]

vaf. As far as I know, you are special on airplanes if you have the time and desire to resolve our internal dispute which fighter is more suitable for the SU-35, MIG-35, Rafal, Grippen NG missiles. If we take into account our territory and the task of purely defending the sky of the Republic of Kazakhstan and no aggression towards our neighbors (purely tactical and technical, and the cost of buying and operating).

[VAF]

Quote: Semurg

if there is time and desire, resolve our internal dispute which fighter is more suitable for the RK SU-35, MIG-35, Rafal, Grippen NG.

For your country. To which I have the highest respect , you need the equipment that you can operate (fly, repair, and produce).
The type of equipment depends on the tasks that you assign to it.
I am categorically against "foreign technology". Although it is very, very not bad, but .... its further maintenance and repair ..... we are now faced with this closely (in Ukraine) and this is agit-prom "everything is good. beautiful marquise" ... we all "replace", etc .... in fact, the matter is far, far from ice.
therefore, the supply of foreign weapons should only be from a reliable partner and FRIEND (!!!!).
Mig-35th will be able to completely replace your Mig-27K 9 for some reason you still keep them in service).
On earth, Mig works much better than Dry. In terms of maneuverability at low and medium altitudes, Miga excels.
For the price and performance specifications ... cheaper than anyone.
I won’t take any more time, but I’m tired of the road .. In short .. I’m for Mig !!!!

[iwind]

if you take the price of the issue, then the leader is flu. If you take into account that the MIG-29SMT costs $ 30-35mln for the Russian Air Force, then the MIG-35 should not cost less than 40-50. A flu costs somewhere around $ 43.
The cost of maintenance will be noticeably cheaper (engine dressed), it has very cheap maintenance, replacing the engine takes no more than an hour, etc.
Radar AFAR ES 05 Raven is the only radar on the market with a moving control unit that allows scanning angles of up to ± 100 °.
And if you add the presence of an aiming container, which makes it much more effective in air-to-surface missions than instant 35.
And about reliability with 1989, 6 aircraft were lost.
And SAAB is now eager to transfer production to other countries.

[Zymran]

What about fears of technology transfer from Kazakhstan to the Russian Federation?

[supertiger21]

Quote: Zymran

What about fears of technology transfer from Kazakhstan to the Russian Federation?

But actually, why does Russia need the technologies that it has so?

[Zymran]

Well then decided. Take Gripen NG.

[iwind]

Quote: Zymran

What about fears of technology transfer from Kazakhstan to the Russian Federation?

Well, in addition to the sighting system I mentioned, there is nothing valuable for Russia. The problem is that the engine at Gripen NG is then American ... So it's probably better to buy the SU-30MK ...
In terms of armament, I now really like the SAAB policy. They promise the integration of the existing TSA in the country to the GPI, to save money, new armaments can be bought later. In general, they are ready to make big concessions for market promotion.

[290980]

If we take into account our territory and the task of purely defending the sky of the Republic of Kazakhstan and no aggression towards our neighbors (purely tactical and technical, and the cost of buying and operating).

the tasks are the same as those of the Swiss, maybe they can look at what they fly on? .. crossed paths with them at work, only positive emotions, the Germans smoke nervously next to them, quality control is the highest in everything, you can’t boast such bullshit.

[Zymran]

A contract was signed with Saab for Gripen. But in general, according to the test results, Gripen lost to both Rafal and Eurofighter, the price was of decisive importance.

[Zymran]

If purely for the price, then Rafale can be immediately excluded. I have recently envied Azerbaijan with white envy. They can afford to spend any money on the army, they have established the production of ammunition and small arms. Fraternal Turkey, a NATO member, is close at hand. Iran is a dangerous neighbor, but it is home to a huge number of Azerbaijanis. Armenia is the only enemy, but it poses no danger. There is no fifth column in the country either; there is no need to fear the landing of "aliens".

[marshes]

My opinion The heavy multifunctional Su-35, MiG-31 and Su-27 when the end comes.
And ultralight well like Yak-130, stuffed, training and pinpoint strikes, instead of shock UAVs, "hijack" them.
Rafal Gripen are good but training, repair and so on. there, too, money can be stolen.

[marshes]

Quote: vaf

I just went to "Safari" and went. Well why a lot ... at 18 (no air conditioning fit). But on the train ferry .. without any problems .. "parked".

Well safari is not bad , another thing is new from the passenger compartment. If you drive a paraglider without any paintwork, you can stay with Patrol this year, I took 90 g of diesel, I’ll paint it on the window with gravitex, I don’t have money for carbon and I have a white roof. In short, I have given it for restoration, I’ll change all the rubber bands for hodovka to polyurethane. And before on Suzuki, canvas covers in the studio ordered-wrapped it .

Quote: vaf

Balkhash..this is something I didn’t see such canned food as at a local fish factory (or let it out) even on sale in Eliseevsky!

canned food is produced, but the consumer over the hill, Germany.
So carp, catfish, bream-with a shovel, still smoked for beer I am mainly on the Ili channel or from the South Bank.

[Semurg]

I read and immediately wanted a beer with smoked fish go to the store or what?

[Kasym]

Sergey, good day and good health! I advise chocolate "Kazakhstan", blue wrapper. Confectionery factory "Rakhat". Remember the USSR at once. Anyway, all the products are of Soviet quality. They showed the plot on the Central Television of Kazakhstan. They said that this factory increased its output 10 times because of TS. We all sat down on this "product" in Alma-Ata, incl. foreigners.
Sergei, tell me if the work on "Beetle" is underway? Last year, it was infa., In the summer, that 2 MiG-29s were handed over for testing. Or again some kind of "show-off"?
You haven't eaten our KAZA yet. I got my friends from Kiev hooked on it. "Bring only KAZI if you come to us!" Kazy - horse meat sausage, 100% nat. product.
I was in Kiva in the summer. Horror roads in the very center. And what is in the outback and in the Crimea?

[Kasym]

Guys, I think the VAF’s comments exhaust all of our ... oh, what is not easy for me (as an amateur, but a big fan of aviation) ... a dispute. This is yet Sergei did not provide data on ammunition (modern, because of the Union with the Russian Federation, you certainly will not be sold). There is no need to talk about cost.

[Semurg]

as if summing up the dispute which aircraft is more suitable for us, it is probably best to announce a tender and look at the performance characteristics, price-quality, cost of operation, cost of ammunition, options (assembly and repair in the Republic of Kazakhstan), etc. But this is not our method and we will go the other way.

[Kasym]

Semurg, Sergei writes that on paper they will write to you whatever they want. And that Rafal carries 8 tons of weapons. And that Mirage-200 4th generation, etc. etc.. .

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Kasym

Guys, I think the VAF’s comments exhaust all of our ... oh, what is not easy for me (as an amateur, but a big fan of aviation) ... a dispute.

Agay, let me troll you
If you want a VAF, you’ll be happy with a VAF.
The VAF, with all its skepticism about the current situation in the Russian Federation and its critical thinking, is nonetheless a Russian patriot For example, we / I will in any case support the national football team of Kazakhstan, in the match with Uruguay, no matter how much I am a fan of him .. And naturally the veteran of the Russian aviation will sincerely play for the Russian plane. Moreover, knowing the situation in which the MiG aircraft corporation is now. And in vain he hopes for a contract with Kazakhstan that will help get the MiG out.
Next, I will try to answer your theses, quotes of the VAF:
1. definition of LFI:

the term light is easy to maintain, small in size, with the ability to be based on "poor" and unsuitable airfields, the ability to use small shelters and camouflage equipment, etc. etc. that is, the term is precisely a front-line fighter.

Gripen fits these parameters perfectly, as if the VAF had given them terms of reference.
2.

Quote: Kasym

I think civilian aircraft are better (the market is orders of magnitude larger). Than fighters (very narrow and specific market

VAF: He also said that this contract will be useful for the national aircraft corporation Embraer and the development of the entire defense industry of the country ...

Quote: Kasym

, because of the Union with the Russian Federation, you definitely will not be sold).

.

VAF: Swedish fighter is different "Low technological dependence on the great powers"...

Quote: Kasym

The USSR passed the stage with single-engine aircraft. Life taught, MiG-21,23. He himself witnessed the disaster with the MiG-23 at our site. Even the textbook Yak-130 with 2-engines (he was surprised).

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Quote: iwind

And about reliability with 1989, 6 aircraft were lost.

Agay, statistics can be twisted in any necessary direction. The question of all the fighter aircraft accidents in the Republic of Kazakhstan, how many of them are single-engine and 2's? And in whose favor statistics ??

[Kasym]

Alibek, salem! I also support the national team of the Republic of Kazakhstan in hockey and football, etc. 4: 3 from the USA. Spirit is not enough, arrogance, self-confidence. How much can you look at this ... Only faith in the future.
Everything is clear about Grippen. In tech. there was a task for sale and self-sufficiency (that is, to return the money invested). I would advise you to ask the experts about him. If you are interested in what I think about him, then please. Alibek, do not believe that they are writing weapons of 5 tons, etc. Then a bucket of kerosene, i.e. will not fly far. Maximum speed - remove everything, including paint, fuel, the most necessary quantity. Under combat conditions, he cannot do that. The same goes for maneuverability when fully armed. Somehow the VAF explained to me in a popular way that it is not possible to use a weapon in all operating modes of the engine, but even more so. Two engines are RELIABILITY (especially in our climate and dust and sand) and as one pilot said: "This is twice as many horses under your backside" (and since the pilots say it is necessary, then it is necessary). And one more important point - the Swedes don't do everything, engines and the whole range of weapons, not all electronics, etc. Tomorrow, for example, will be hot. And they will divorce us with their hands. "We don't do it already" or "You are at war, we will not sell you spare parts or engines." What we are going to do? Iranian planes (combat) look at what they are turning into. I did not say, as Semurg claims, about the bad quality of the Swedish aircraft. I even assume that as an airplane it is damn good, not for nothing so many planes, incl. front. Excellent maneuverability. The price is approximately equal to the MiG-35 (estimated). With modern missiles and weapons ... will definitely be strained.
I asked the Poles and Germans (pilots) about the MiG-29. "Fantastic" -pole and -German. And in general, many, not without reason, believe that if a fighter it is either American or Russian. And if you look at others, then the question. How many are produced and how with app. parts? This is usually a small series, and therefore with app. parts can be strained and cost gold. It is important. There we have all the AN-12s all standing and are unlikely to take off.
Our MiG-29s are known, so there will be no training problems with the MiG-35.

[Kasym]

Alibek, and most importantly. For 30 years, the USSR from an agrarian country turned into a superpower, not only due to shed blood, but also an advanced education system and science. The USSR applied all its advanced scientific developments primarily to the military-industrial complex. Therefore, Soviet weapons (growing up as an heir) were advanced. Well, like Mercedes among cars. Take the ergonomics of the MiG-29 cab, then it surpasses the F-16,15 cab. Take catapults - they even stand on western fighters. Design Bureau Sevirin. The USSR did not spare money for this. Well, for example, they will give you money to do the plane. You, as a capitalist, will save on R&D. In the USSR, they’ll never connect everyone. There were as many design bureaus in aviation as there were in the whole world combined. And the research institute .... It is necessary special alloy, you will build a special workshop, and will feed caviar. This approach gave unique examples of military equipment that were ahead of their time. MiG-29 of them. Just watch a movie about its creation and what minds were involved. For example, in the Striking Force. Of course, there is advertising, but pay attention to the interviews of scientists and designers.
Therefore, whoever, no matter what they say. But owl. weapons are one of the best in the world. And who says the opposite, he denies the presence of a Russian scientific and engineering school (Kazakhstan as part of it). And this is funny for me.

[Alibekulu]

Dovbe day Our dispute with you is pointless since RK will purchase MiG-35, as I see it, but as I see it, this should happen as follows:
At present, due to the reasons you have indicated, the Russian Federation has significant financial problems. And at the same time "MiG" is bent and at the same time it is not in the first places in the list of priorities for the Kremlin. And now the melodrama "To Save the MiG" is unfolding before our eyes
And Nazarbayev will not miss such an opportunity to curtsy in the direction of the Kremlin.
But, in my opinion - which is not important to anyone it is imperative to hold a tender for the LFI, from which the advantages of the Swede will be obvious to everyone - from Putin to the "bastards" from Topvar, of whom there are somehow too many. And, understanding that the choice of the MiG-35 is solely due to political reasons and allied obligations ..
Agay, I'll discuss with you later Although neither you nor you convince me .. Just some of your arguments ...

Quote: iwind

So it is probably better to buy SU-30MK ...

You are a little confused here. The discus is about LFI, and Kazakhstan is already purchasing and will buy drying ..

[iwind]

Quote: Alibekulu

You are a little confused here. The discus is about LFI, and Kazakhstan is already purchasing and will buy drying ..

I kind of agree with you that it is more profitable for Kazakhstan to buy Gripen.
Well, the Su-30MK-proposed because of the "politics" of the relationship between the RF and Kazakhstan.
Hmm, did you buy a Su-30?

[Alibekulu]

Quote: iwind

I kind of agree with you that it is more profitable for Kazakhstan to buy Gripen.
Well, the Su-30MK-proposed because of the "politics" of the relationship between the RF and Kazakhstan.
Hmm, did you buy a Su-30?

I will clarify. At present, the generally recognized twin: "Heavy fighter" - "light fighter".
"Heavy" in Kazakhstan without question is at the mercy of "Su". And the park of dryers in K is not constantly, it is regularly updated. Unlike moments and now the question is about updating the fleet of twinks.

Quote: iwind

Hmm, did you buy a Su-30?

As far as I know (and I'm an Internet hamster) no. But in any case they will. No purchases are made, as I understand it, because the aircraft plants are currently loaded with orders from the Russian Ministry of Defense. And, as soon as the opportunity is purchased, including the Su-30 ..

[290980]

Sergey, good day and good health! I advise chocolate "Kazakhstan", blue wrapper. Confectionery factory "Rakhat". Remember the USSR at once. And in general, all products of Soviet quality

Rakhat steers, I bring with RK a few pounds of different candies from this company and tea by itself))), and more recently, Rakhatov sweets began to appear in Germany.

[290980]

Quote: marshes

Quote: 290980

And de will pass?

In Astana, May 22-25.

Rahmet

[iwind]

It is good that at least someone would buy them, since they are no longer needed by the Russian Air Force.
Although not to say that they will be cheap, the MIG-29SMT costs the Russian Air Force more than 1 billion rubles, and 35 will definitely be noticeably more expensive.

[Alibekulu]

Chocolate from Bayan Sulu is better.

[Semurg]

Quote: Alibekulu

Chocolate from Bayan Sulu is better.

[Aydar]

A la la, a lot of questions too, a lot of opinions too. but most likely the MiG-31 will be in operation at least until 2020. Mig-29m2 or Mig-35 will still come in service with the Navy of the Republic of Kazakhstan. As for the SU, it’s rather interesting for the Su-35. The Yak-130 will still arrive, after the development of the L-39 resource. about the Su-25, perhaps upgrading or a newer Su-39. planes to buy it is not in the restaurant sit dinner order. negotiations are underway about the A400M. fleet of aircraft will be gradually updated. basically, the combat personnel will be Mig-31, SU-27m / 35., Mig-29M2 / 35s. SU-25m. combat helicopters MI-28ne, and the old reliable MI-24v / 35m. air defense missile systems s-125 pechora 2t, s-200, s-300ps, pmu-1, then to s-400 (after 2016). tor-m2e, beech-m2, shell-s1m (behind the shell there is a large line).