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Crimea came, and Kaliningrad is leaving? Why did our Baltic Pomerania suddenly engulf the Königsberg region

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Crimea came, and Kaliningrad is leaving? Why did our Baltic Pomerania suddenly engulf the Königsberg regionToday, pro-German views are being imposed on Kaliningraders everywhere against the background of Russophobia gaining strength. Examples - darkness. Only external - the Berlin car workshop on Moscow Avenue (bye), the Frau Elsa store, wandering from one place of the city to another, ubiquitous photographs of the old German city: at stops, in offices of businessmen, in office buildings ... That's all it means?
Kaliningrad region in the national relation is a typical Russian region, there is a great majority of Russians in it, why is this happening?


A characteristic publication appeared on the German Internet under the eloquent headline “Konigsberg instead of Kaliningrad” and aroused the great interest of the German reader. By the way, the editors of the German site subtitled the article "Back to German roots." The following is reported about one event, held in Kaliningrad in November last year. On that day, the Day of National Unity was celebrated throughout Russia, which became a holiday in honor of the liberation of Moscow from the Polish invaders in November 1612. Our separatists held their march, which was dominated by German flags, including the German province of East Prussia, which exists only in their imagination, but it is very strong. And in the photos from the procession it was indicated that they were made “in Germany”, although we are talking about our city.

A German observer called this event a “Prussian-Russian parade”, which indicates the emergence of a layer, as he writes, of “German-Russian” citizens (die Deutsch-Russen), from which all German patriots should take an example. The transparent hint is as follows: like the new Prussians of Kaliningrad, who corroded Russianism in themselves, the Germans of Germany must also put an end to Americanism and "European Unionism." The Germans, not hiding, rejoice in the gradual decrease in their own national dignity among the Russian youth of Kaliningrad. Let's be honest - German delights have a reason.

The author further emphasizes that more and more young people of our region are related "to German history region ", parting" with the Soviet myths.

The subtext is obvious. Very many people in Germany want us to forget that Germany attacked our country in 1941 was directly responsible for the death of 27 by millions of Soviet citizens, mostly civilians.

It is this truth, as well as the well-known information about the Nazi atrocities that the Germans and their allies, like the Galician Bandera, committed on our land, are now called “Soviet myths”. German author admires the abundance of inscriptions "Konigsberg", pleased with the resurgent "German cultural landscape."

The Russian society of Kaliningrad, by the way, protested against the pro-German styling of buildings under construction, which was conceived and carried out by the former chief architect of the city. What happened was exactly what the Russian cultural figures warned about. In the middle of 2000-x, when this architectural kitsch was conceived, it was said about its inadmissibility, since this is not Germany, we have our own architectural styles and sympathies, and the idiotic imitation of the Germans is contrary to us. Our pro-Western leaders were warned that in Germany these projects would be perceived as a betrayal of Russian culture. So it happened. The separatists, by the way, held their November demonstration in this, as it were, German part of the city.

Then the author summarizes: “In any case, among the youth of the city, we are no longer talking about Kaliningrad, but always - about Konigsberg ...”. Of course, there is more of what is desired here, and we have every reason to recall Dostoevsky with his assessments of the German character, somewhat inclined to boast.

However, it is also true that the journalist, though he exaggerated the scale of separatism, was not mistaken in stating its existence. He believes in the possibility of holding a vote this year on the issue of “returning the city to the name of Königsberg”.

He also anticipates the further course of events arising from the long-running process of Germanization of the Kaliningrad region. It refers to the words of one of the main local separatists, a regular participant of the German-patriotic, and in our opinion, revanchist congresses, which are regularly held in Germany. This person with the Russian surname, having unfolded the German-Prussian banner, declares: “It goes without saying that Prussia is here, and not some Kaliningrad region”.

Further, we are talking about the movement led by this leader, who for a number of years has "put forward clear political demands": the achievement of "considerable autonomy from Moscow"; creating a legal and other base for the “return” of “descendants of expelled Germans”, “renaming cities, villages, streets in accordance with their original German names”, starting with the “main impulse” of the whole process - the return of the city name Königsberg. A German activist with a Russian surname adds that today "the existence of a city named Kaliningrad is a complete disgrace."

I hope, reader, it has now become clear what the German observer was referring to when he was deaf, but joyfully writing, that separatism embraced “various spheres” of Kaliningrad life? By the way, he got to the point, stating that local politicians, in fact, do not interfere with the separatist mobilization of public opinion.

The conclusion is unequivocal. The events in Ukraine clearly showed what is happening with the people, who for a long time purposefully separated from their true Russian name, spirituality and customs. In Kaliningrad, the same excommunication of young people from the Russian world takes place. The consequences can be tragic if we continue to behave as if “there is no problem”.
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  1. mad
    mad 16 May 2014 08: 36
    +30
    Have the creative Germans thought about the mayor yet? The residents of Kaliningrad would very much support Conchita ... it would be great to symbolize the true intentions of the "Prussian Spring"!
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 16 May 2014 08: 56
      +42
      (-) article, problems sucked from the finger, in any case, the author, the topic is not disclosed:

      Automotive workshop "Berlin" on Moscow (so far) avenue, shop "Frau Elsa", wandering from one place of the city to another, ubiquitous photographs of the old German city: at bus stops, in offices of businessmen, in office buildings ...


      in Moscow, for example, a bunch of different salons, eateries, and other establishments with foreign names, went to Minsk in May, there in the Zhdanovichi market, 100 meters away there are "Hanoi" snack bars, this cannot be taken for a manifestation of separatism, although yes, there are enough Chinese , next to the whole area built by them. Pleased with the inscription (Hanoi) Asian and Belarusian cuisine (!)

      on the German Internet under the eloquent headline “Konigsberg instead of Kaliningrad” and aroused great interest of the German reader.


      Well, what the Germans want there, as it is of little concern.

      many in Germany want us to forget that Germany attacked our country in 1941 is directly responsible for the death of 27 by millions of Soviet citizens, mostly civilians.


      I want to perehochetsya, as in the Russian Federation celebrate the victory over fascism, better than any propaganda.

      However, it is also true that the journalist, though he exaggerated the scale of separatism, was not mistaken in stating its existence.


      Well, not without it, in any herd there is a black sheep / sheep.
      1. 311ove
        311ove 16 May 2014 09: 07
        +33
        Quote: seller trucks
        Well, not without it, in any herd there is a black sheep / sheep.
        Well, here is the example of Ukraine shows that the whole herd has become "worn out" for 23 years ... I think this is just the case when it is better to "blow on the water" ...
        1. Luzhichanin
          Luzhichanin 16 May 2014 09: 26
          +12
          "Of course, there were some temporary conquests, as, for example, under Elizaveta Petrovna, our troops reached Konigsberg and occupied East Prussia, and then, by order of Peter III, they stopped and completely left the occupied territory." These are the words of our patriarch.
          Source http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/2836965.html

          In that year, in one of the programs "The Word of the Shepherd" generally stated that the Soviet troops occupied Konigsberg. You can search on the specified site, if you are interested, there are all the issues.

          A strange position, given the fact that these lands were once Russian.

          Here is an interesting article covering some aspects of this event:
          http://www.stoletie.ru/rossiya_i_mir/kaliningrad_ne_budet_konigsbergom_893.htm
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER 16 May 2014 09: 46
            +7
            Quote: Luzhichanin
            A strange position, given the fact that these lands were once Russian.

            Yes, everything is on the surface at all, Prussia even the name itself says that it is Russian land - Russia - Belarus - Prussia. As far as I know from the latest data, Rurik himself was from Prussian lands. And secondly, to give the land conquered by the lives of our soldiers a very bad sign. But I mean measures to bring the entire historical truth to the younger generation of Kaliningrad, and not forceful land retention. If we talk about Ukraine, then she received all the land for free without putting a single life for her, so I do not consider the return of these lands to be something very bad ..
            1. azkolt
              azkolt 16 May 2014 10: 41
              +7
              You have already amazed me with your historical knowledge!
              1.Rurik was not from Prussian lands
              2. Prussians of the Baltic people
              3. The self-name of the Prussians - Semba
              True, Kaliningrad-Koenigsberg is the Slavic city of Kralev
              1. Gorinich
                Gorinich 16 May 2014 11: 13
                -4
                From myself, I can add that ON came from Prussia ... Such small twists of history ...
                1. Gorinich
                  Gorinich 17 May 2014 14: 21
                  0
                  I’m wondering why the cons? Read the foundation story ON. It was founded by refugees from Prussia, who tried to escape from forced malnutrition.
              2. Lelek
                Lelek 16 May 2014 11: 53
                +6
                Prussians are Baltic Slavs conquered and destroyed by the Teutonic Order. Before Königsberg, the city was called Kralyov, and the Pregel-Pregol river was called Prigor.
                1. Sour
                  Sour 16 May 2014 13: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: Lelek
                  Prussians - Baltic Slavs,

                  The Prussian language is not a matter of discussion or fantasy.
                  Science knows several hundred Prussian words. This language does not belong to Slavic, it is close to Lithuanian.
                  There is no need to rewrite history to your taste, even from supposedly patriotic motives.
              3. svp67
                svp67 16 May 2014 12: 10
                +1
                Quote: azkolt
                True, Kaliningrad-Koenigsberg is the Slavic city of Kralev
                Just like Berlin, an old Slavic village, something like "Bear's corner" ...
              4. smile
                smile 16 May 2014 15: 20
                +7
                azkolt
                By the way, the Comrade Prussians called Kaliningrad Twangste.
                And the Lithuanians consider it the original Lithuanian city of CaralJauchus :)))
                And as soon as all sorts ... the Russian city of Kaliningrad is not called ... :)))
          2. mirag2
            mirag2 16 May 2014 10: 46
            +4
            Elementary - "squeezing from a long distance," preparing the public opinion that these lands are not Russian, and who lives there, love, praise the future gentlemen from Europe ...
          3. grandfather_Kostya
            grandfather_Kostya 16 May 2014 11: 26
            +1
            If you look even further into the past, the Prussians are a Slavic tribe, as well as the Wends, who occupied all of today's Germany and even a large territory, but all were subsequently "Germanized" under the influence of Catholicism.
          4. Lapotnik
            Lapotnik 16 May 2014 13: 17
            +1
            Considering that the Romanovs are essentially Germans, this is not surprising. Especially if you know the composition of the "Russian" troops, especially the commanding staff. It is advisable to know exactly the real names and not the nicknames under which they remained in history.

            Yes, what can it be: by wiki Peter III Fedorovich (nee Karl Peter Ulrich Golshtein-Gottorpsky; February 21, 1728, Kiel - July 17, 1762, Ropsha) - Russian emperor in 1761-1762, the first representative of the Holstein-Gottorp (Oldenburg) branch of the Romanovs on the Russian throne. C 1745 - sovereign duke of Holstein.

            And then on the wiki:
            Elizabeth I Petrovna (December 18 [29], 1709, Kolomenskoye - December 25, 1761 [January 5, 1762], St. Petersburg) - Russian empress from the Romanov dynasty from November 25 (December 6), 1741, the youngest daughter of Peter I and Catherine I, born two years before their marriage.

            And how to understand it? Oh yes, they didn’t indicate that she, too, was Holstein, just from the branch of the Romanovs.

            All in plain text and not shy, so why be surprised. Soon we will be shown historical realities, afigem.
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        2. aleks 62
          aleks 62 16 May 2014 10: 06
          +2
          ..... In-in !!! And with Russian surnames and names the same ... (this is about Ukraine)
        3. cheega69
          cheega69 16 May 2014 10: 12
          +1
          Especially if the water is hot.
        4. fpgg1963
          fpgg1963 16 May 2014 10: 41
          0
          I completely agree, to tear up the root.
        5. avg
          avg 16 May 2014 11: 39
          0
          Quote: 311ove
          Well, here is the example of Ukraine shows that the whole herd has become "worn out" for 23 years ... I think this is just the case when it is better to "blow on the water" ...

          I completely agree. The most important thing is that we are losing Kaliningrad youth, a significant part of which works in the West and accordingly absorbs their values.
          1. smile
            smile 16 May 2014 15: 31
            +8
            avg
            You are very mistaken, I declare to you as a Kaliningrad man. We do not lose Kaliningrad youth, on the contrary, it is fashionable to be a patriot now ... although this sounds obscene.

            And abroad, not a significant number of our youth work, but very few - mostly students for seasonal work - as an excursion, so that we can get money for this excursion, not depending on our parents. And then, I repeat, very little. And they couldn’t - in all neighboring countries unemployment is greater than ours. they have nowhere to go. On the contrary, we have many Lithuanian and Polish builders of guest workers. Young people are trying to hit the tulips in Holland, and at the same time smoke herbs, or to Germany. take a look
            So. that the number of those subject to "their values" is decreasing every year in view of the fact. that our media have ceased to praise foreign and alien values.
        6. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 16 May 2014 11: 41
          +4
          Quote: 311ove
          in Moscow, for example, a bunch of different salons, eateries, and other establishments with foreign names, went to Minsk in May, there in the Zhdanovichi market, 100 meters away there are "Hanoi" snack bars, this cannot be taken for a manifestation of separatism, although yes, there are enough Chinese , next to the whole area built by them. Pleased with the inscription (Hanoi) Asian and Belarusian cuisine (!)

          In China, Thailand, Vietnam and other countries where there are many Russian tourists, there are many cafes, restaurants, travel agencies and others with names in Russian: "Moscow"; "Peter"; "Volga"; "Neva"; "Sa
          schA ";" Masha ", etc., etc.
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 16 May 2014 12: 35
            +6
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            there are many cafes, restaurants, travel agencies and others with names in Russian: "Moscow"; "Peter"; "Volga"; "Neva"; "Sa

            schA ";" Masha ", etc., etc.

            The same as in Germany ... I myself was in Hanover in a restaurant called "Masha and the Bear". This is the sign, not "Maria und der Bär".
            Lived from me (and still lives) Lithuanian Algis, married to Russian Helge. He and my wife became friends on the basis of religion (Orthodoxy), in 7 years they traveled around most of Orthodox churches and churches in Germany. The country is a clear leader among other countries in the world in terms of the number of such parishes. But there has never been a hint of the saying that "Russians are infiltrating Deutschland with the aim of joining it to Russia."
            On the contrary, the Germans express contentment. Christian temples are said to be better than minarets.
          2. Tartary
            Tartary 18 May 2014 18: 20
            0
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            In China, Thailand, Vietnam and other countries where there are many Russian tourists, there are many cafes, restaurants, travel agencies and others with names in Russian: "Moscow"; "Peter"; "Volga"; "Neva"; "Sa

            schA ";" Masha ", etc., etc.

            Yesterday, May 18, a friend returned from China ...
            Surprised: - Well, what happened to the Chinese ??
            She’s been at home, she says.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 May 2014 18: 22
              +1
              Quote: Tartary
              She’s been at home, she says.

              And you try to make the Russians learn Chinese laughing
        7. jktu66
          jktu66 16 May 2014 13: 36
          +3
          Well, here is the example of Ukraine shows that the whole herd has become "worn out" for 23 years ... I think this is just the case when it is better to "blow on the water" ...
          In Ukraine, there was a large-scale Russophobian wave with obvious connivance, to be honest, and the promotion of power.
      2. povojdtrf
        povojdtrf 16 May 2014 09: 20
        +13
        in vain guys
        you underestimate, the author is right, there is no place for euphoria about the Crimea, if we don’t worry, we will get Ukraine with Maydaunas
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        2. Aryan
          Aryan 16 May 2014 09: 29
          +8
          recently released a documentary
          Russian trace of the Ark of the Covenant
          about the fact that the Teutonic Order found a Jewish relic from Yerusalim in Keninsberg
          It turned out costume delirium and not one Russian face
          not that Russian trace

          I think the topic raised is very relevant
          and worthy of study by psychiatrists
        3. aleks 62
          aleks 62 16 May 2014 10: 16
          +2
          ..Learn more about Crimea ... What was meant ???
        4. Ujin61
          Ujin61 16 May 2014 11: 59
          +1
          All the liberal demo there surfaced, you need not to disdain and throw it in the trash. First of all, it is the task of the local authorities.
          1. smile
            smile 16 May 2014 15: 34
            +1
            Ujin61
            You late. :))) While it has already been sent to the trash, it lies there, and does not particularly reflect. :)))
      3. GDP
        GDP 16 May 2014 09: 27
        +4
        I don’t understand why publish the same article twice in a row?
        problems sucked out of the finger, in any case the author, the topic is not disclosed:
        - definitely.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 10: 01
          +1
          Quote: GDP
          - definitely.

          and you read the Kaliningrad forums on this topic
          1. GDP
            GDP 16 May 2014 10: 09
            0
            can you give a link?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 10: 14
              0
              look, on this site http://klops.ru/ you can see in history
              1. GDP
                GDP 16 May 2014 10: 17
                +2
                Thank you ... Although, to be honest, I haven’t found anything yet ...
                1. saygon66
                  saygon66 18 May 2014 15: 59
                  +1
                  - Klopsru is a local gossip ...
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 10: 26
              +1
              http://klops.ru/news/obschestvo/90730-na-obertke-imperskoy-shokoladki-zabyli-nar
              isovat-kaliningrad / comments

              http://klops.ru/news/obschestvo/90129-deputat-predlozhil-nazvat-imenem-kanta-plo
              schad-u-doma-sovetov-i-aeroport / comments

              http://klops.ru/news/sosedi/87501-prezident-ssha-poobeschal-lideram-baltiyskih-s
              tran-zaschitu-so-storony-nato / comments

              http://klops.ru/news/obschestvo/90463-rossiya-prigrozila-ustanovit-v-kaliningrad
              e-kompleksy-topol-m / comments

              http://39kenig.livejournal.com/2835.html
              1. seller trucks
                seller trucks 16 May 2014 10: 39
                +6
                Uncle, and why did you decide that Kaliningradians write this? Nobody stopped the information war, and if you still have to monetize this business, it’s generally Eldorado.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 11: 14
                  0
                  Quote: seller trucks
                  uncle and why did you decide that Kaliningraders write it

                  so this problem also slips in a personal conversation, I myself, as it were, from KO
                  1. Good cat
                    Good cat 16 May 2014 12: 16
                    +2
                    "I am a native of Kaliningrad, the daughter of an officer, just believe me, not everything is so simple here" - is this not the case?
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 12: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Good cat
                      this is not the case?

                      unfortunately not, the idea is in the air, by the way in the 90s the question of separation was raised quite seriously
                      1. smile
                        smile 16 May 2014 15: 38
                        +1
                        Vasilenko Vladimir
                        That's right, for the second time the white bellies tried to raise it ... raised it ... and lowered it ... they lowered it :)))
              2. GDP
                GDP 16 May 2014 10: 52
                +1
                I read, I admit - I was wrong, there is a problem ...

                I live in East Prussia .. #
                29 April 2014 to 23: 43
                It's time.
                In general, with these Bolshevik names for everything, it’s time to end. The city had a wonderful story. And she must get her sequel.

                and many more ...

                or someone is working to create such a problem ...
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 11: 16
                  +3
                  as soon as a topic slips into the discussion, there are quite a lot and most importantly all this is extremely aggressive, and most importantly, with the inertia of the majority, the aggressive minority may well do their game
                2. Neighbor
                  Neighbor 16 May 2014 11: 46
                  +1
                  From a small stream, the river begins, but about friendship - a question.
              3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 12: 17
                0

                more on the topic, if you want, you can find enough, even the Kazakh national authorities in this noted
                1. seller trucks
                  seller trucks 16 May 2014 12: 43
                  +3
                  regarding German revisionism, with the same success, the Germans should claim Memel (Klaipeda, Lithuania) and adjacent territories, Danzing (Gdansk, Poland) with territories and the so-called "Polish corridor" (Mazovia), as well as Pomerania ( Szczecin Voivodeship), partly Silesia with the city of Breslau (Wroclaw), Cieszyn Silesia became part of Czechoslovakia, Holland received the Dollart Bay (mouth of the Ems River) and adjacent territories with the cities of Borkum, Venlo and Bantheim. Belgium got part of the Schleiden district and the city of Monhau. Luxembourg received an 8-kilometer lane along the Moselle River.

                  from the foregoing it is clear that Poland got the most of all, let them pretend to these territories, and try to take the guts from Russia, let them try to take them.

                  And yet, on the territory of the Rus-Russian Empire-USSR-RF, its entire history has been many volunteers. And de they?
          2. smile
            smile 16 May 2014 15: 36
            +1
            Vasilenko Vladimir
            Greetings. countryman!
            But you must admit, such moods sharply waned. And there will always be network hamsters and bellies, but they do not determine the climate.
      4. oblako
        oblako 16 May 2014 09: 38
        +8
        The problem is absolute and today it is impossible not to understand. This is the essence of information technology. Technology is a tool. The tool can be cut down, and you can cut the head. Therefore, we must carefully monitor how and for what purposes the information is used, what feelings it awakens in people, what it mobilizes for. I'm not saying that this MUST be subject to control and management. After realizing the role of information in all kinds of orange and other revolutions, events in Ukraine, it became absolutely clear that achieving the goals of the war (redistributing market resources and privileges) is possible using these very technologies. Do not simplify, gentlemen. Simplicity, sometimes worse than theft ...
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      6. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 09: 55
        +5
        Quote: seller trucks
        problems sucked out of the finger

        well, not entirely out of hand, and apparently this problem is not new and in certain circles the topic of "our little Prussia" has been discussed for a long time, though if I raise a red flag over my farm and keep the defense
        1. Serg 122
          Serg 122 16 May 2014 10: 47
          +4
          Here our fat rage, rename:
          The head of Krasnodar, Vladimir Evlanov, unexpectedly proposed renaming the city to Ekaterinodar. Like, now, against the backdrop of the growth of patriotism, after the return of the Crimea to Russia, it is time for Krasnodar to return the old name. To restore historical justice in the name of the memory of ancestors.
          Vladimir Yevlanov expects that everyone will support him and the townspeople - “for”. However, a similar idea, expressed and strongly lobbied at one time by the regional governor Alexander Tkachev, did not find unanimous support from Krasnodar. Even the polls that were most pleasing to the eyes of the authorities showed that at least half of the residents of the capital of the Kuban were against renaming.
          Indeed, for the majority of ordinary people (and this is not a dirty word at all) the name "Yekaterinodar" is associated not with a modern city, but with adobe ruins, dirty streets, dusty sidewalks: with everything that the local authorities are trying to fight now, implementing a program on reconstruction of Krasnodar. Look at the city center: these narrow streets, built up close to old houses with skewed fences and crooked windows - these are the remains of Yekaterinodar! Can such a city become the capital of southern Russia ?!

          But the Germans are sleeping and see how Königsberg would be wrapped back ... stop
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 16 May 2014 12: 17
            +4
            Quote: Serg 122
            But the Germans are sleeping and see how Königsberg would be wrapped back ...

            laughing laughing laughing
            Sorry, but I didn’t understand - is this your irony or not?
            If irony, then you "+"! I will add that absolutely every German in Germany sees in his night dreams every night how they will join the "German Volga region" with the city of Engels, regions in Siberia with settlements inhabited by ethnic Germans (in particular, the village of Berezovy, in the Achinsk region) ... Yes and many other regions in Russia where at least one German lives. laughing

            I confess that I also returned to Russia with the task of inflating separatist sentiments in Tatarstan, instilling in the Tatars the feeling that their roots are in Saxony, and annexing the whole republic as one of the lands in Germany called "Land Tatarstan-Wolga".
            I already wanted to create a dozen pages on blogs, where I would post "comments" under different nicknames calling for "dumping from Russia" ... But then they discovered me. belay
            "Achtung! Gefahr! Zeit zu gehen ..." crying
            1. Serg 122
              Serg 122 16 May 2014 14: 33
              +3
              Sorry, but I didn’t understand - is this your irony or not?
              If irony, then you "+"!

              Thanks for the "+"! Irony, of course. The stupidity of some representatives of different peoples (including Russians (for example, Krasnodar)), except for irony, does not cause anything else wassat
      7. nika407
        nika407 16 May 2014 10: 21
        +11
        Quote: seller trucks
        after 100 meters there are "Hanoi" eateries
        Damn, and in every district of the city there are almost ten "Harakiri" sushi restaurants ... I sense the Japanese are advancing. However, any Russophobic sentiments should be closely monitored. Pleased on May 1 in Berlin)
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 16 May 2014 13: 00
          +4
          In Germany, a rally of many thousands. What does the people of Germany think about the situation in Ukraine. The Germans demand friendship with Russia!
      8. 225chay
        225chay 16 May 2014 11: 21
        +2
        Quote: seller trucks
        (-) article, problems sucked from the finger, in any case, the author, the topic is not disclosed:


        And what will dear Asgard say about this?
        Volodya, I would like to hear the exact information about the situation
      9. WKS
        WKS 16 May 2014 11: 40
        +4
        Quote: seller trucks
        (-) article, problems sucked from the finger, in any case, the author, the topic is not disclosed:

        I completely agree with the thesis. It would be surprising if the descendants of the evicted Prussians were not nostalgic for their lost homeland. As for the Russian Kaliningraders, so why shouldn't they know the history of the Prussian period in the region. The presence or absence of any names will not change the region’s affiliation with the Russian jurisdiction. And Königsberg has a really glorious history, one Kant of which is worth it. The people of Prussia were ethnically close to us, but 100% German.
        Once in antiquity, German tribes squeezed Russia from the Baltic seaside to the Neva, Volkhov, Dnieper, and in the 20th century, Russia partially regained what it lost. History does not stand still, you look and return the rest.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 12: 06
          +1
          Quote: wks
          why they cannot know the history of the Prussian period of the region. The presence or absence of any names will not change the region’s affiliation with the Russian jurisdiction

          history and calls for separation are two different things
      10. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 16 May 2014 11: 54
        +3
        problems sucked out of the finger, in any case the author, the topic is not disclosed:
        I support you, they tried to exaggerate this problem there since 1991, and then they used to come by ferry, and Lithuania tried to join them, then they didn’t give it away, but now they won’t give it away! Fuck them, not Kemsku parish! yes
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 12: 08
          +1
          Quote: Gomunkul
          then they didn’t give, but now they won’t give

          there is a problem and this problem is called ideology, if you drive the population into the head, what’s better there, that KO is not Russia, then you won’t give it away only with big blood, which means you don’t have to hush up the question
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      12. Heinrich ruppert
        Heinrich ruppert 16 May 2014 11: 59
        +2
        Quote: seller trucks
        seller trucks

        Good morning friends!
        I fully support your opinion. Since you should not pay attention to each "bunch", it will fade and flutter.
        The author is mistaken, this is not from the middle of 2000, but from 1945 there is a stink. Someone once had estates, lands there. And their descendant wants it back. Nobody has yet canceled money-grubbing. And human greed is always present. And not yet in the middle of 2000, but in 2002, under the rule of Schroeder, Foreign Minister Joshka Fischer (albeit an I.D.O.T.), but stated bluntly that East Prussia was always lost, there can be no more discussions on this. And the fact that some journalists whom the State Department paid a little to bite once again write to Russia for service. It's all nonsense. Not worth paying attention to.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 12: 11
          +5
          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          Since you should not pay attention to each "bunch", it will fade and flutter.


          from such bunches it turns out Maidan, Odessa, etc.
          1. Heinrich ruppert
            Heinrich ruppert 16 May 2014 12: 17
            +2
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            from such bunches it turns out Maidan, Odessa, etc.

            For 69 years, it did not work out and now it will not work. Look carefully Odessa is Ukraine with the Ukrainian government. And this is Russia with the Russian government. And this is understood in the West. That rockers from Kaliningrad to Berlin, Paris and other cities will fly faster. At least they would have looked at the map.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 12: 38
              +1
              Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
              For 69 years it didn’t work and now it won’t

              anyone 20 years ago could have suggested this
              1. Heinrich ruppert
                Heinrich ruppert 16 May 2014 13: 20
                +2
                I tell you again. Please do not compare the people of Ukraine
                1. Who has been brainwashed for over 20 years.
                2. Governments that changed during this period of time set their goal to "fill their pockets"
                3. Galicia "as a part of Ukraine" Benders who were always against the Soviet regime, and genetically hate Russians.
                4. The common people were "brutalized" by this violence of the authorities.
                5. There is no investment in youth, and this is the future.
                These are just a few small points of what was done wrong.
                And I can continue this list for a very long time. And now compare the situation in Kaliningrad.
                Please write yourself what the Russian government did and see for yourself.
                In Moscow, too, is Bolotnaya, so what?
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 13: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                  1. Who has been brainwashed for over 20 years.

                  with us brainwashed enough
                  1. Heinrich ruppert
                    Heinrich ruppert 16 May 2014 13: 34
                    +3
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    with us brainwashed enough

                    We will continue to continue the discussion that this is another bunch? drinks
              2. Albert1988
                Albert1988 18 May 2014 17: 28
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                anyone 20 years ago could have suggested this

                Yes, no problems at all - my uncle was from Lvov, so in 1991 he moved to Moscow, although he had everything there - a great apartment, work, and in Moscow - a shish with butter. So when my parents then asked him - "why did he say so - he threw everything, there are no prospects there?" - he replied that there is already a lot of Banderaism, and in a couple of years it will break through to power, and not only in the Lviv region, but throughout Ukraine ... So ...
          2. Albert1988
            Albert1988 18 May 2014 17: 23
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            from such bunches it turns out Maidan, Odessa, etc.

            I beg your pardon, but Maidans do not come from "bunches", but from the enormous subversive work on which billions of dollars are spent, and to make the Maidan it is far from enough just to tryndezh in social networks ...
      13. brisk
        brisk 16 May 2014 12: 47
        +1
        Quote: seller trucks
        in Moscow, for example, a bunch of different salons, eateries, etc. institutions with foreign names

        Yes, there is a very significant difference where the diner will be with a German name - in Moscow or in Kaliningrad. One could not pay special attention to the cafe with the name "Von Ludwig" in Yakutsk, but in the former Königsberg this is already a very alarming symptom.
      14. lelikas
        lelikas 16 May 2014 13: 41
        +2
        Add
        Quote: seller trucks
        problems sucked out of the finger
        -
        Petersburg - a purely German name - I already have a panic !!!
      15. vvvvv
        vvvvv 16 May 2014 14: 40
        +3
        So now the calls for the dismemberment of the Russian Federation are also being prosecuted ... If separatist voices would have sounded more directly, then a mechanism for them already exists. it is only up to the will to apply it if necessary.
      16. smile
        smile 16 May 2014 15: 15
        +4
        seller trucks
        Ha, she’s not just sucked from a finger, she ... okay. I can not tell. where its author took, the moderators will not understand ... :))) Put a panic! :)

        As a Kaliningrader I responsibly declare:

        1. Yes, there was such a project of the Euro-Baltic republic, supported by Poland, Lithuania and Germany. In these countries, after the collapse of the USSR, special committees at parliaments were created to oversee the Kaliningrad theme, and NGOs were actively proliferating. German, Polish and Lithuanian "cultural centers" - that is, propaganda centers - have been created. But it is not all that bad. The number of local barrrans who were fooled and supported the secession and creation of the Euro-Baltic republic changed in waves, but NEVER exceeded 10 percent, even in the worst times. Another peak happened at the height of the white-ribbon bacchanalia - in our country the swamp one began even earlier than in Moscow. Nemtsov came. People were gathered into crowds (never exceeding 2000) under various pretexts - either motorists against bad roads, or something else. Considering that the region received significant attention and special funding (hello Givi Torgamadze), the protest movements were great ... but without any chance of success ... Definitely !!! :)))
        The person whom the author calls "a person with an absolutely Russian surname" is most likely a businessman and a deputy with the surname Lopata - an ethnic Lithuanian :))), all of whose relatives live in Lithuania, trying to bring Kaliningrad to the Lithuanian paradise ... but we do not need that paradise - everyone can see that Lithuania is deep ....... :))) Now all these figures have resolved and disappeared from the horizon. The people are actively recovering from swamp fever. Therefore - h ... en in their throat, so that the head does not swing, and not the Kaliningrad region ... :)))

        2. The fact that German sights are recreated (in many ways, with German irrevocable money) and are built in the German style is done to increase the attractiveness of the city for tourists. And they’re doing it right. Talks about the renaming of the city are practically stalled and only a handful of outcasts maintain fire in a stunted bonfire ....

        3. Kaliningraders have always been show-off like Muscovites - those from the capital, ours - the most western. :))) Kaliningrad is called Koenig - it has been so fashionable since the 50s. But this does not mean anything. Our "business men" shouted about the dominance of Moscow business, who wanted to remain in charge here, without investing anything. without developing infrastructure. but only mowing the grandmother. They set the people on fire. But Muscovites came, and over the past ten years we have built more enterprises and roads than in the previous quarter century. The city has changed. And we are ... who owns this or that trading network.

        Of course, there are a lot of problems, but there is no reason for all ...

        The result. The author later caught himself and read in vain the opinion of the Germans, who are as far from the truth as the Decembrists from the people. :)))
        1. KOMBAT KOMISSAR
          KOMBAT KOMISSAR 17 May 2014 16: 50
          +3
          Well done fellow countryman! I was just too lazy to write a lot. All is correct !!! No need to catch up on the rest of Russia. Everything is fine with us.
      17. dkflbvbh
        dkflbvbh 18 May 2014 16: 49
        +1
        Zhdanovichi after 100 meters there are "Hanoi" eateries, this cannot be mistaken for a manifestation of separatism, although yes, there are enough Chinese, there is a whole district nearby

        In fact, Hanoi is Vietnam, and you already think like a China, attributing this city to the Middle Kingdom.
    2. jktu66
      jktu66 16 May 2014 13: 29
      +3
      Kaliningraders would very much support Conchita ...
      Yes, what kind of nonsense is the article and some comments, as a resident of this city I declare. There is nothing to look for that which is not in the names and in the history. At one time, the inhabitants of Koenigsberg asked for Russian citizenship in Elizabethan times. suffering from a lack of upbringing and intelligence, Peter the 3rd, the grandson of Elizabeth returned Prussia to Frederick, who was left without such a kingdom. Peter ended badly; his German wife served Russia with dignity. Now Kenik is a beautiful absolutely Russian city with its history and color, the residents are friendly, on May 9 a huge number of people were at the Victory Parade. There are always flowers on the monuments to fallen soldiers. The only thing that, in my opinion, has been missed is that the places of fighting and burial of Russian soldiers of the 1st World War in the region have been forgotten.
      1. smile
        smile 16 May 2014 15: 46
        +1
        jktu66
        I support, fellow countryman. In vain the people got excited.
      2. KOMBAT KOMISSAR
        KOMBAT KOMISSAR 17 May 2014 16: 51
        +2
        That's right !!! You're right. I support.
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 May 2014 13: 39
      +3
      Germans can dream about anything, but Kaliningrad will not be Koenigsberg, and Baltiysk-Pillau ... laughing
  2. omsbon
    omsbon 16 May 2014 08: 37
    +38
    A German activist with a Russian surname adds that today "the existence of a city with the name" Kaliningrad "is a complete disgrace."


    We must work with young people. Ideology has not been canceled!
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 16 May 2014 08: 54
      +6
      To immediately kill a snake - you must tear off her head. So with this disgrace in Kaliningrad. It was necessary to respond immediately, but it is better to unscrew the heads in advance to the ORGANIZERS!
    2. Thompson
      Thompson 16 May 2014 08: 58
      +9
      All structures have to work, from school to the FSB. The enemy does not sleep, and scratches his hands
    3. saag
      saag 16 May 2014 09: 01
      +7
      Quote: omsbon
      Nobody has canceled the ideology yet!

      canceled, the whole trouble is
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 16 May 2014 10: 19
        +4
        ... Well, yes .. The Octobrists, pioneers, Komsomol members were canceled .... Zampolitov finally ... And they got ...
    4. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 16 May 2014 09: 05
      +4
      Quote: omsbon
      We must work with young people. Ideology has not been canceled!

      If I don’t die in the trenches of fear,
      If a Russian sniper doesn't make a hole,
      If I don’t surrender myself
      Then we will twist love again
      With you, Lily Marlene.

      Beating a hurricane, God help me!
      I will give the Ivanes a helmet and boots,
      Just to let me in return
      Under the lamp stand together
      With you, Lily Marlene.
    5. shower
      shower 16 May 2014 10: 01
      +4
      While the mattress-beds and the EU did not give us hemorrhoids in Kaliningrad, (people will stir up people) we must urgently get ahead. Specialists in the bud block activists. Create a ministry for the development of the Kaliningrad region, following the example of the Ministries of the East and the Caucasus. Whatever you say, these are all strategic directions that are important for Russia.
    6. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 10: 02
      +1
      Quote: omsbon
      Nobody has canceled the ideology yet!

      for the last 23 years of "khakamada" it can be said to have been banned
    7. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 16 May 2014 11: 29
      +2
      Quote: omsbon
      We must work with young people. Ideology has not been canceled!

      Absolutely right! It's been a long time since I "hear" that Kaliningrad youth is "becoming Germanized" and now ... it turns out that "things are still there"? Is there a program of national and patriotic education for Kaliningrad youth? I should have thought about it for a long time. Or is it easier for "bureaucrats" to steal than to deal with a business useful for the state?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 12: 04
        +1
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Is there a general program of national and patriotic education of Kaliningrad youth?

        should not be like this, there should be a program of patriotic education of RUSSIAN youth
      2. smile
        smile 16 May 2014 15: 51
        0
        Nikolaevich I
        You are wrong. The peak of "Germanization" is long gone. The cart has long been pulled out and is heading in the right direction. It has become "fashionable" among young people to be patriots. With the exception of the miserable marginals and the remnants of the discredited white-ribbon supporters, we have practically no supporters of the Euro-Baltic republic.
  3. lexxxus
    lexxxus 16 May 2014 08: 38
    +5
    And what about the Baltic Fleet !! ?? What will happen to him !! ?? How is my destroyer !! ?? Everything in the Crimea !? Unclear... belay
    1. bairat
      bairat 16 May 2014 08: 50
      +9
      panic is premature. we like journalists to fan the problem. I judge in my Volga region that they just didn’t write about us: both the caliphate is brewing here and the Russians are allegedly oppressed. people conflict among themselves, regardless of nation, if we isolate events for the sake of political demands, we can distort the situation in any way.
      1. povojdtrf
        povojdtrf 16 May 2014 09: 23
        +1
        keep the gunpowder dry, don't flatter yourself
      2. GRune
        GRune 16 May 2014 09: 24
        +5
        Well, with regard to history books in Ukraine, too, he rustled everything, the result, as they say, is visible, it took only 20 years to get knives on knives nationwide ... So it's better to overdo it ...
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 10: 03
        +2
        Quote: bairat
        panic is premature.

        ostrich policy is extremely dangerous in such matters
    2. bairat
      bairat 16 May 2014 08: 50
      +3
      panic is premature. we like journalists to fan the problem. I judge in my Volga region that they just didn’t write about us: both the caliphate is brewing here and the Russians are allegedly oppressed. people conflict among themselves, regardless of nation, if we isolate events for the sake of political demands, we can distort the situation in any way.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 12: 05
        +1
        Quote: bairat
        panic is premature. we like journalists to fan the problem

        when it burns, it will be too late to panic, banderlogs to you as an example
    3. aleks 62
      aleks 62 16 May 2014 10: 20
      +4
      .... Don’t worry so ... Your destroyer will be in place (in Kaliningrad) :)))))))
  4. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 16 May 2014 08: 41
    +6
    First you need to bring up the Hitler Youth for 20 years! I hope it does not get to this? Enough ukr example?
  5. lexxxus
    lexxxus 16 May 2014 08: 43
    +3
    One more split of Russia cannot be allowed !!! There are ours !!!
  6. demotivator
    demotivator 16 May 2014 08: 44
    +22
    Quote: omsbon
    We must work with youth.

    And not only with youth - the so-called the middle class that we have raised is also longing for the West. I’d just look, otherwise many are ready to give the Russian lands as well.
    “Kemsk volost! Yes, take it away! ”, The fake Ivan the Terrible, the hero of the actor Yakovlev, easily parted with“ unnecessary ”territories. “What are you doing, royal face? So you will not save up any volosts! ”, Miloslavsky-Kuravlev shuts him up - a crime, a thief, but a realist who suddenly turned out to be a greater patriot than this intellectual manager. These greedy "house managers" with the horizon of the layman are very dangerous. Those who do not understand that it would seem that small territorial concessions, albeit in exchange for profitable contracts, in the future will turn into more and more territorial claims. And there will be no end to this, for only power is respected.
    1. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin 16 May 2014 09: 28
      0
      sho there is a middle class, the main thing is that the shaggy class will not get out
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    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 16 May 2014 09: 58
      +2
      Quote: demotivator
      And not only with youth - the so-called the middle class that we nurtured is also eagerly looking to the West

      You need to thoughtfully look for reasons and draw conclusions, "suppression" and "persecution" - the situation will only worsen.
  7. Stasi
    Stasi 16 May 2014 08: 44
    0
    If our government does not take urgent measures to correct the situation and suppress pro-German sentiments that lead to separatism, we will get our "Crimea" in the Baltic. The risk of developing such a situation is very high.
    1. povojdtrf
      povojdtrf 16 May 2014 09: 24
      0
      totally agree
    2. smile
      smile 16 May 2014 15: 55
      0
      Stasi
      Measures have long been taken. The number of supporters of the Euro-Baltic republic, together with the white bellies, has waned. There is always danger, of course. But the risk is small - we transmit.
  8. Andrey160479
    Andrey160479 16 May 2014 08: 44
    +14
    A donut hole and not Kaliningrad. And for the fascist ideology it is cruel to prosecute. I wonder what the local FSB is doing.
    1. Naum
      Naum 16 May 2014 08: 53
      -2
      How what? He is at war with the "liberals"!
      1. smile
        smile 16 May 2014 15: 57
        0
        Naum
        And he does it right - after all, it was the liberals who were the supporters of separatism.

        Andrey160479
        Do not worry, the FSB is in place, and it is not for nothing that he eats his bread.
  9. Egoza
    Egoza 16 May 2014 08: 44
    +30
    An obvious "bell"! I wrote, and I will repeat it again. Ukraine - a rehearsal! The EU and the US aim to destroy the Russian Federation! To be afraid of the revival of the USSR! Therefore, we need the MOST EFFECTIVE MEASURES both for propaganda, and in relation to any swamp, and for helping their own Russians who are on the borders and are more exposed to enemy propaganda through the media, TV and other "agitators"
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 16 May 2014 09: 46
      +7
      It is necessary to nip in the bud! Do not wait for the Maidan!
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 16 May 2014 09: 50
      +7
      This "bell", Elena, has been ringing for a long time and, perhaps, has already become an alarm bell. Let me repeat the words attributed to Pastor Martin Niemeller:
      First they came for the Jews. I was silent - I was not a Jew.
      Then they came for the communists. I was silent - I was not a communist.
      Then they came for union workers. I was silent - I was not a union worker.
      Then they came for me. But there was no one left who could help me
      And this is the same meaning, but adapted to the global process:
      First they came to Iraq. We did not intervene, they talked about democracy ...
      Then they came to Yugoslavia. We did not intercede, they said that the Serbs were already drawing Russia into the world war ...
      Then they came to Libya. We were silent, because it is so far ...
      And, now, they are already in Ukraine, on ancient Russian land. Tomorrow they will come to us if we do not stop them now.
  10. APS
    APS 16 May 2014 08: 44
    +3
    It is necessary to work with youth, so that people like in Ukraine would not grow!
    1. SS68SS
      SS68SS 16 May 2014 10: 12
      +2
      It’s not just necessary, but most importantly necessary and archly important. And not only to the state, but also at the level of the cell of society - the family. Which is much more important.
  11. Predator
    Predator 16 May 2014 08: 45
    +2
    Yes, there are fears. Some types are hammering the heads of young people, but there is also a method - get out of Russia! Let the society of "eastern lands" gather there!
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  13. arch_kate3
    arch_kate3 16 May 2014 08: 50
    +5
    So, we urgently need to change the leadership of the region! The conclusion is obvious.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 16 May 2014 10: 04
      +1
      Quote: arch_kate3
      So, we urgently need to change the leadership of the region!

      And what will it give, people will start to think differently?
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 10: 11
      +2
      Quote: arch_kate3
      So, we urgently need to change the leadership of the region! The conclusion is obvious.

      without ideological work it will not give anything
  14. sidprokaznik
    sidprokaznik 16 May 2014 08: 50
    +4
    The problem is real. It is urgent to do something, both in the ideological and in the legal sense. Otherwise, we will "slap" the Kaliningrad region as Ukraine.
  15. sablezub81
    sablezub81 16 May 2014 08: 50
    +3
    Yeah, the Germans dream ... But their dreams are impossible. Kaliningrad will always be Russian and this must be measured. Russia will only be expanding, now not a step back!
    1. povojdtrf
      povojdtrf 16 May 2014 09: 27
      +1
      Dreaming is not bad, take off your blinkers
      1. 290980
        290980 16 May 2014 09: 57
        +1
        take off the blinkers


        ))) Does he understand German?
    2. nika407
      nika407 16 May 2014 10: 37
      +4
      While some Germans dream of Kaliningrad, other Germans seek the truth
  16. KOH
    KOH 16 May 2014 08: 52
    +4
    GDP, pay attention to the governor of the Kaliningrad region, maybe due to the isolation of the region, he played in the German vassal there ...
  17. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 16 May 2014 08: 53
    +5
    These are all the consequences of corrupting liberalism and the lack of a coherent political line of the 90s and early 0s ...
    The admission of the Germans ... the arrivals of the former owners ... sighing of how it was here before ... all this was perceived by part of the population ...

    BUT ... this is only one side of the coin ... there are a lot of factors that cause bewilderment and rejection ... make a person look for an alternative view (and whoever is looking will find it), a few scattered examples that influenced the formation of thoughts about ... alien territory:
    - the deportation of the population was carried out from these territories, a measure necessary in the context of the post-war period;
    - on the territory of the Kaliningrad region there was a huge park with a developed irrigation system, now it is quite in disrepair, waterlogging of individual sections is underway (this is how it was before and as the average man now thinks);
    - the cities were practically not systematically restored until the 60s ... it is perceived as a relation to "alien territory", and with the beginning of restoration a number of historical buildings were simply demolished - their own ones were even restored from the ruins, there are stories of old-timers about how the cobblestones are for Red the squares were taken out (perhaps a myth ... but people think so);
    - in a huge cathedral on the island (on the side of Kant’s grave) ... an Orthodox church is opened ... to put it mildly a strange step ... the people who invented it look like provocateurs (like opening a Catholic cathedral in the Orthodox church in the Donskoy monastery).

    The remoteness and isolation of the territory, and so, gives rise to a special psychology ... and the specially disparate facts cited by me ... say one thing - WE treat the territory ourselves as ALIEN ... you understand YOURSELF.
    1. Silhouette
      Silhouette 16 May 2014 11: 07
      -2
      Guys, explain to me, please, are the Prussians Germans or Russians? How many Russians lived in Prussia until 1941 or until 1913? What are you talking about?!
      The Kaliningrad region is an occupied territory, no matter how you call it. Comparing it with Ukraine is the height of ignorance and stupidity. Ukraine consists of Little Russia - actually Ukraine, New Russia - the Wild Field, annexed Galicia, Bukovina, etc. Ukrainians are Russian guys from the outskirts, unlike Westerners who are Galicians. And the Kaliningrad region was densely populated by Germans and has a German history. There was no wild field of history, and Novorossia has Russian history, even when it was Ukraine. Do you catch the difference with Kaliningrad?
      I don’t understand what relation the territory has to ideology (Prussia to fascism). Fascism in general was born in Italy. Why haven’t the Italians been evicted?
    2. Slavkovich
      Slavkovich 16 May 2014 11: 12
      +3
      Quote: silberwolf88
      - in a huge cathedral on the island (on the side of Kant’s grave) ... an Orthodox church is opened ... to put it mildly a strange step ... the people who invented it look like provocateurs (like opening a Catholic cathedral in the Orthodox church in the Donskoy monastery).

      Not quite true: in one of the chapels of the cathedral, and the rest is used as a historical and cultural object. Organ music festivals are held. In general, this is a museum complex. Take a look:
  18. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 16 May 2014 08: 53
    +6
    If the Mongol-Tatar yoke did not "re-mongolize" us, and the Germans all the more will not succeed .. But a serious problem has been raised, and it is not worth it to sit idly by a massive attack on Russian culture and our essence ..
    1. Border guard
      Border guard 16 May 2014 10: 51
      +1
      "... If the Mongol-Tatar yoke did not" omongolize "us, and the Germans, all the more, will not succeed ..."

      But the people in the Ukraine were "obsessed" ...
  19. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 16 May 2014 08: 55
    +3
    All nationalist speeches must be crushed in the bud, otherwise it will be too late. Who does not like, let them leave. Russia must not lose its territory. All this negativity is only due to the fact that we pay little attention to the education of patriotism among our citizens. Our patriotism is kind of undulating. Either it is clearly manifested in difficult moments in history, then it is forgotten for a while. People need to be educated constantly, from diapers to the tombstone.
  20. Lomikus
    Lomikus 16 May 2014 08: 55
    +6
    Urgently change the top of the elite: governor, mayor, prosecutors, beg. Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB. This happens with their connivance or with their knowledge.
    1. smile
      smile 16 May 2014 16: 03
      +3
      Lomikus
      You would have to wave everything with a saber, change everyone ... but nothing happens with us. Appropriate measures have long been taken, and pathetic attempts at separatism have been stifled. Supporters of the Euro-Baltic Republic every year less and less.
  21. sergeybulkin
    sergeybulkin 16 May 2014 08: 56
    +5
    If we let everything go by itself, then first there will be formed its own right sector (guess who will be the sponsor), then its own Maidan and their maidanuts, and the separation - returning to their homeland (joining Germany), and without any referendums, since. there the majority are Russians, Russians "suddenly" are eager to become Germans.
  22. dvornic
    dvornic 16 May 2014 08: 58
    +3
    Too many emotions. Leningrad was also returned its historical name, and could have been called Petrograd. It's generally funny to talk about stores. Tell me at least one city where there are no German store names.
    1. povojdtrf
      povojdtrf 16 May 2014 09: 33
      +2
      Lushsha Petrograd, during the bourgeois revolution, the majority of the population of Russia say- PETER, was in St. Petersburg, lived in St. Petersburg, well, etc. etc.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 16 May 2014 12: 29
      +4
      Yes, it's not the names that matter, but the porridge that is cooked in people's heads. And this porridge is "muddied" (this is when fishermen and hunters shake out all the products from their backpacks into one pot, add water and after half an hour of cooking - if you please taste it), when the ideas of liberalism, communism, various pluralisms and democracies are crammed into one head. Here and absolutely healthy Yeti the bowler hat dives. fool
  23. novel68rus
    novel68rus 16 May 2014 08: 59
    +3
    it must be stopped immediately .. otherwise it will be worse. not only the Germans will take advantage of this ..
  24. pravda2014s
    pravda2014s 16 May 2014 09: 00
    +5
    For the first time I hear that the residents of Kaliningrad and the region wanted to separate from Russia, what a nonsense! Of course, in every region there are traitors to their fatherland, but there are always a minority of them. They always were and unfortunately always will be (((Especially against the background of Islamization and the degrodation of the Europepps, I do not think that our compatriots want to go there. The article is provocative and false.
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 16 May 2014 10: 26
      +3
      .... But you don’t need a lot of traitors .... There is a certain critical amount that can turn everything around .. Example Ukraine ... Some 10000 ghouls and rotten intelligentsia on the Maidan turned the whole country inside out ....
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 16 May 2014 12: 16
        +3
        Ghouls in Ukraine came to an already rotting field. So, they only had to use bits, "lighters" and unbridled impudence to pick up the fallen power. wassat
  25. Svetlana
    Svetlana 16 May 2014 09: 02
    +5
    They get a hole from a donut, not Koenigsberg. Let your lips roll up.
  26. Hellriker
    Hellriker 16 May 2014 09: 03
    +6
    The news is sucked from the finger. I was in Kaliningrad and its environs a year ago, there are no German moods there. Ordinary Russian youth. It is better to look for European emitters in St. Petersburg, there are many of them.
  27. Estet59
    Estet59 16 May 2014 09: 04
    +4
    Somehow, during the "Yeltsin rule" - when the people had already fully experienced all his "squiggles", they watched a discussion about the Kaliningrad region on TV Channel 5. So, one pimply-minded (from the locals) whined that if it were not for our Victory in the Second World War, now he would calmly drink German beer with sausages !!! How many such idiots have divorced who do not understand that they, in the event of a victory in Germany, will not they would have drunk beer, and with a pick they cut down a stone for the German pavements for a bowl of porridge.
    Fifteen years ago, in the city of the region, in which he once served, a bus with a catchy inscription on its forehead: "Königavto", jarred, but apparently this Germanism still exists.
    Once in the region a powerful grouping of the Armed Forces of the USSR was concentrated, and the state of patriotism of the local population was determined by numerous Soviet officers and military veterans. Obviously, the way out of the situation in the CO described by the author is in the consolidation of these very people. Only they can resist the bribed idiots with Russian surnames and German flags.
  28. pink
    pink 16 May 2014 09: 04
    +1
    If we miss time, we will get a new Euro-Maidan, only now in Russia. Of course, for the West it will be more difficult than in Ukraine, because we have not changed school programs. But if you try, and even with inaction on our part, the result will not be long in coming.
  29. andj61
    andj61 16 May 2014 09: 05
    +3
    The fact that Kaliningrad is called Koenig in itself is scary, because in fact, what is Kaliningrad, well, what does Kalinin have to do with it?
    German houses or houses stylized in the German style can be perceived as a kind of trophies - we have conquered this land and we live there. That's just about the youth can not be forgotten. Patriotic education is our everything. After the collapse of the Union of ideology, we do not have any, and practice shows that this is a pressing and urgent task, we are already 23 years late.
    1. Silhouette
      Silhouette 16 May 2014 11: 27
      0
      Well, what are you talking about? What ideology? ABOUT THE IDEOLOGY OF THE OCCUPANTS? So it is not and will not be. Patriotism - from the word "patrio" - fatherland. For whom is the Kaliningad Region the Fatherland? The Kaliningrad region is a homeland only for those who were born and live there, but not for all Russians. We liberated Hungary, and put in it no less people than in Prussia, why now settle Hungary with Russians?
      1. Neighbor
        Neighbor 16 May 2014 12: 00
        0
        Hungarians fought with the USSR to settle it with the Germans?
        1. Silhouette
          Silhouette 16 May 2014 12: 07
          +1
          I am ashamed not to know this. We fought. Near Stalingrad.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 12: 13
          +2
          you will be surprised but almost all the peoples of Europe fought against us
          1. Silhouette
            Silhouette 16 May 2014 12: 23
            -2
            I won’t be surprised. I don’t understand why everyone fought, but only the Prussians got it?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 12: 40
              +1
              Quote: Silhouette
              but only the Prussians got it?

              it’s just that Pilau wasn’t in another place, it would also be chopped off
              1. Silhouette
                Silhouette 16 May 2014 13: 08
                0
                That’s the whole ideology. Just do not deceive yourself.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 13: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: Silhouette
                  That’s the whole ideology. Just do not deceive yourself.

                  what are you talking about?
      2. andj61
        andj61 16 May 2014 12: 10
        +3
        What are we occupying? Slavic lands conquered and settled by the Germans? For almost 70 years, there have been no Germans in East Prussia. There are ours, Russian people! What, are they all invaders? There are real occupiers in Germany — these are the Americans who remained there from the war. The Germans themselves do not even think about the return of East Prussia.
        If I live in the Bryansk region, then what, Smolenskaya and Oryol for me - this is not the Fatherland?
        All Russia for me is not the Fatherland?
        The current Kaliningrad region is the Fatherland for all citizens of Russia - both for Russians, and for Ukrainians, and for Jews, and for Buryats, and for the Chukchi!
        1. Silhouette
          Silhouette 16 May 2014 12: 28
          -3
          We are occupying a territory that until 1945 had nothing to do with the territory of the USSR or Russia and which they never claimed under any pretext. Well there was no reason. At all. And now they suddenly appeared. Isn’t it funny?
          Reminds the lamentations of Bandera about the loss of "theirs" Crimea.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 12: 46
            +2
            Quote: Silhouette
            Well there was no reason.

            the foundation appeared on June 22, 41
          2. smile
            smile 16 May 2014 16: 09
            +3
            Silhouette
            We chopped off the Kaliningrad region as punishment for Germany, and everyone recognized this, including the Germans. Everything is quite legal and politically justified. For Kaliningraders, this is their small homeland. Point. Trying to suck out some excuses from your finger is simply not serious. Apparently you do not communicate with Kaliningraders and talk here about a subject in which you are ignorant ... completely.
            1. Silhouette
              Silhouette 16 May 2014 18: 10
              -4
              Hmm yes! It would be better if Germany paid pensions to invalids of the Second World War, to the widows and children of the victims .... Although there would be some sense. But I'm not talking about that in general.
              I mean that under this act it is impossible to bring a patriotic basis, justify from the point of view of ideology and justice. Prussia will never become Russia, because it was not. She has her own story. But Crimea was always Russia, even when it was Ukrainian. And always will be.
              Here I am talking about.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 20: 48
                +4
                Quote: Silhouette
                Prussia will never become Russia, because it was not.

                Messrs. Kaliningraders, you said there that this topic does not arise; here is an example for you to the contrary.
                I’m sorry, what people like you think, I am a citizen of Russia, I live in Russia, Kaliningrad Region, Pravdinsky District, pos. Bystryanka, you want to refute, come, I will dig in the forest near the farm
  30. mig31
    mig31 16 May 2014 09: 07
    +1
    Patriotism or something, no one to do!?.
  31. SILAnov
    SILAnov 16 May 2014 09: 09
    +1
    He served there, 1997-99. Even then, all the "progressive" youth of the region "zikkal" and lived in East Prussia, less than five people were not allowed to go to the ridges ...
    Recollected? No matter how late it was, but better late than never !!! soldier
    1. smile
      smile 16 May 2014 16: 10
      +2
      SILAnov
      Since then, the situation has radically changed for the better.
  32. 320423
    320423 16 May 2014 09: 09
    +5
    I myself from Kaliningrad, I can’t say for youth, but among my friends I haven’t heard this for 30 years. and in the colloquial, if it slips, it’s not Koenigsberg at all, but simply Koenig. so in my opinion the author cheated. and the populace of names and architecture we have ugliness, and so enough in the center instead of a square stuck ugly shopping centers and called a clover, Europe, Kaliningrad passage.
    1. Neighbor
      Neighbor 16 May 2014 12: 04
      +2
      Moscow "sieve" also "sounds", God forgive me not for the night be told and not lead into temptation. wassat wassat
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 16 May 2014 12: 07
      +4
      The architecture and historical monuments of the center of Kaliningrad must be carefully protected, despite the German style. Over the past years, we have already "twisted" enough. The crown of Russia should have everything and everyone except the ugly. And the fact that poor boxes are being built in the center of this beautiful city is sad and unforgivable. No.
  33. olf_1959
    olf_1959 16 May 2014 09: 10
    -3
    So, we urgently need to change the leadership of the region! The conclusion is obvious.

    And not only areas. ?????
  34. todaygoodday
    todaygoodday 16 May 2014 09: 10
    +10
    Look, your lip is rolled out. Kukish them, not Koenigsberg.

    Together with the Baron we will send to the moon. This is Russian land and no matter whose it was before.
  35. Russ69
    Russ69 16 May 2014 09: 10
    +5
    The article is written on its own vision of the situation. After the events in Crimea, there was an article who conducted and followed on this topic, with foreigners. After the survey, we concluded that the number of people who do not want any revision of the status of Kaliningrad, on the contrary, is growing (something about 85%), compared with previous years ...
    But the fact that there is a bunch of "radishes" that want to enter the geyrope but I don't want to, of course is present. As, in principle, in any other region and republic. And you can't close your eyes by itself ...
  36. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 16 May 2014 09: 13
    +3
    First, it would be necessary to strengthen the historical work, to clarify what Prussia is, the essence of Prussian militarism, and in general, at least the fact that the Prussians were beaten more than once by Russian troops, so let them take all the best from the wonderful country of Germany and the wonderful country of Russia and show an example. And all sorts of "human rights activists" and "Prussophiles" should be taken care of by the appropriate department, these individuals can "suddenly" fall out of the window, get into a car accident, killed while trying to robbery, and what should I teach them or something ?
  37. albi77
    albi77 16 May 2014 09: 14
    +4
    Situations how can you compare that? in Crimea there was an indigenous population.
    From Koenigsberg, the indigenous was taken out and a new one arrived already in Kaliningrad.
    If a person with a Russian surname and German views has nothing to do, then let him go to Germany to drive the Turks.
  38. Giperboreec
    Giperboreec 16 May 2014 09: 14
    +1
    Yes, tighten the nuts to the mayor and the governor and everything will be a bunch in Russian too.
  39. Giant thought
    Giant thought 16 May 2014 09: 15
    +1
    Our leadership should pay close attention to the situation in Kaliningrad and take measures, including personnel ones.
  40. serge
    serge 16 May 2014 09: 16
    +5
    What is good for the Russian, for the German is death. It does not at all follow from Kaliningrad’s respect for historical monuments, even German ones, that the Russians of Kaliningrad are turning into Germans. These are German dreams.
  41. pensioner
    pensioner 16 May 2014 09: 16
    +2
    our separatists held their march, which was dominated by German flags
    All participants in this "procession" should be brought to the border (fortunately there is not far ...) and with a knee in the ass. Well, or a boot. And the provocateurs are completely legal methods, with the involvement of the tax, sanitary and epidemiological supervision, labor inspection, etc. to arrange such a life that they themselves would consider it for the good to dump to hell ...
  42. From Germany
    From Germany 16 May 2014 09: 19
    +6
    The article, to be honest, is some kind of bullshit or a zakazukha (the 5th column has moved more actively in recent weeks). None of the Germans I know even stutters about Kaliningrad (and I communicate with many), and even about the government of the Federal Republic of Germany, you can generally keep silent, because although they are American monkeys, they are not quite complete kamikaze-debiloids. In addition, in Kaliningrad and its region 82,02% of the population are Russians (for comparison, there are 0,78% of Germans there). I read about "freedom to Koenigsberg" only once in a chat in tanks, on a European server, the writers turned out to be Ukrainians from Lviv.
  43. dik-fort
    dik-fort 16 May 2014 09: 20
    +2
    In 1990-91 I served in the Kaliningrad region, as many local Kaliningrad there called Koenigs, they say they went to Koenigs, well, the fact that the Germans lived there certainly catches the eye. Do not forget that already at that time there was powerful anti-Soviet propaganda and comrade Kalinin was completely discredited, but when calling cities by German names, the locals were more likely to feel some pride that they were living in a European city, that is, they are not scoops. As for the separatists, who canceled the grants? Vlasovites are being trained legally, no one is fighting this. From an economic point of view, the region is subsidized, in Soviet times, for example, about Chernyakhovsk they said "the city of rains, bl *** th and military units." Local separatists should understand that if, in theory, the Germans come, then the Russians will be deported or squeezed out unambiguously. In short, in the region it is necessary to develop the Cossacks, there are many military reserves, and if there are strong Cossack communities, then all these Vlasovites and LGBT youth will be bent into a ram's horn.
  44. virm
    virm 16 May 2014 09: 25
    +1
    Kaliningrad - was, is and will be an original Russian city. ) No matter what the Fritz imagines.

    But in the Stavropol Territory - a real problem. The process of alienation of this land from the Russian people is ongoing. And people who are far from friendly to us settle there.
  45. region46
    region46 16 May 2014 09: 25
    0
    by this principle, soon Alaska must be taken, returned ....
  46. 120352
    120352 16 May 2014 09: 27
    +1
    What kind of "Königsbershchina" is there? In its purest form, "Smerdyakovshchina"! Painfully abruptly, without thinking, "we" abandoned ideology, banning it by the Constitution. A person, a society without an idea, and therefore without a goal, are doomed. Due to the lack of more or less clearly formulated goals and ideas for development, we found ourselves disoriented and, as a result, become "lost." Here and there is a need for a "guide". But this "guide" may have predatory interests. In short, what is "Eros" for him becomes "Thanatos" for us. And we have not yet come across others.
  47. Said
    Said 16 May 2014 09: 30
    +5
    I’ve been Kaliningrad for over 30 years = there isn’t this problem here that the author describes.
    1. KOMBAT KOMISSAR
      KOMBAT KOMISSAR 16 May 2014 19: 30
      0
      So do I. Bullshit. Samopiar !!!!!!!!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 May 2014 20: 24
        0
        gentlemen, open your eyes.
        if you don’t see something, it doesn’t mean that it isn’t
  48. siberalt
    siberalt 16 May 2014 09: 30
    +3
    Wherever you throw - everywhere a wedge. And this wedge is the absence of a state national ideology. Therefore, everyone pulls wherever he wants. This is how our overseas "partners" conceived our Constitution.
    1. alebor
      alebor 16 May 2014 10: 39
      +2
      National policy is certainly good, but the country's regions are primarily connected by the economy (as Comrade K. Marx taught). If you do not take into account the national republics (national separatism is a separate issue), then we can say that in Russian regions separatist sentiments (independent Siberia, an independent Far East, an independent Kaliningrad region, independent Pomors, independent Cossacks, etc.) are intensified by unfavorable economic situation, regional dissatisfaction with the center, disruption of economic ties. A strong economy unites the country, strengthens interregional ties, which affects people's mindsets - separatist ideas lose their attractiveness. Kaliningrad is a special region in this respect, since it does not border the rest of Russia, which can cause certain problems, especially when the economic ties with the rest of Russia are weakened.
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  49. buzer
    buzer 16 May 2014 09: 33
    +4
    the author is right on the one hand. Such things cannot be hushed up. "Sharpening water" as the Russians say. Now it remains to check the reaction of the "fifth column". And if in the near future it becomes more active in this regard, then obviously someone needs it and someone agrees to pay for it ...
    1. KBPC50
      KBPC50 16 May 2014 11: 20
      +4
      Paid 100% and apparently more than once.
  50. silver169
    silver169 16 May 2014 09: 34
    +1
    Perhaps the cold climate of the Russian enclave is contraindicated for some residents of Kaliningrad who advocate joining Germany. It is urgent to change their place of residence to more appropriate to their moods and views, somewhere in Kolyma or Magadan.
    1. andj61
      andj61 16 May 2014 12: 16
      0
      Quote: silver169
      It is urgent to change their place of residence to more appropriate to their moods and views, somewhere in Kolyma or Magadan.


      Welcome to sunny Magadan!