Crimea came, and Kaliningrad is leaving? Why did our Baltic Pomerania suddenly engulf the Königsberg region

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Crimea came, and Kaliningrad is leaving? Why did our Baltic Pomerania suddenly engulf the Königsberg regionToday, pro-German views are being imposed on Kaliningraders everywhere against the background of Russophobia gaining strength. Examples - darkness. Only external - the Berlin car workshop on Moscow Avenue (bye), the Frau Elsa store, wandering from one place of the city to another, ubiquitous photographs of the old German city: at stops, in offices of businessmen, in office buildings ... That's all it means?
Kaliningrad region in the national relation is a typical Russian region, there is a great majority of Russians in it, why is this happening?

A characteristic publication appeared on the German Internet under the eloquent headline “Konigsberg instead of Kaliningrad” and aroused the great interest of the German reader. By the way, the editors of the German site subtitled the article "Back to German roots." The following is reported about one event, held in Kaliningrad in November last year. On that day, the Day of National Unity was celebrated throughout Russia, which became a holiday in honor of the liberation of Moscow from the Polish invaders in November 1612. Our separatists held their march, which was dominated by German flags, including the German province of East Prussia, which exists only in their imagination, but it is very strong. And in the photos from the procession it was indicated that they were made “in Germany”, although we are talking about our city.

A German observer called this event a “Prussian-Russian parade”, which indicates the emergence of a layer, as he writes, of “German-Russian” citizens (die Deutsch-Russen), from which all German patriots should take an example. The transparent hint is as follows: like the new Prussians of Kaliningrad, who corroded Russianism in themselves, the Germans of Germany must also put an end to Americanism and "European Unionism." The Germans, not hiding, rejoice in the gradual decrease in their own national dignity among the Russian youth of Kaliningrad. Let's be honest - German delights have a reason.

The author further emphasizes that more and more young people of our region are related "to German history region ", parting" with the Soviet myths.

The subtext is obvious. Very many people in Germany want us to forget that Germany attacked our country in 1941 was directly responsible for the death of 27 by millions of Soviet citizens, mostly civilians.

It is this truth, as well as the well-known information about the Nazi atrocities that the Germans and their allies, like the Galician Bandera, committed on our land, are now called “Soviet myths”. German author admires the abundance of inscriptions "Konigsberg", pleased with the resurgent "German cultural landscape."

The Russian society of Kaliningrad, by the way, protested against the pro-German styling of buildings under construction, which was conceived and carried out by the former chief architect of the city. What happened was exactly what the Russian cultural figures warned about. In the middle of 2000-x, when this architectural kitsch was conceived, it was said about its inadmissibility, since this is not Germany, we have our own architectural styles and sympathies, and the idiotic imitation of the Germans is contrary to us. Our pro-Western leaders were warned that in Germany these projects would be perceived as a betrayal of Russian culture. So it happened. The separatists, by the way, held their November demonstration in this, as it were, German part of the city.

Then the author summarizes: “In any case, among the youth of the city, we are no longer talking about Kaliningrad, but always - about Konigsberg ...”. Of course, there is more of what is desired here, and we have every reason to recall Dostoevsky with his assessments of the German character, somewhat inclined to boast.

However, it is also true that the journalist, though he exaggerated the scale of separatism, was not mistaken in stating its existence. He believes in the possibility of holding a vote this year on the issue of “returning the city to the name of Königsberg”.

He also anticipates the further course of events arising from the long-running process of Germanization of the Kaliningrad region. It refers to the words of one of the main local separatists, a regular participant of the German-patriotic, and in our opinion, revanchist congresses, which are regularly held in Germany. This person with the Russian surname, having unfolded the German-Prussian banner, declares: “It goes without saying that Prussia is here, and not some Kaliningrad region”.

Further, we are talking about the movement led by this leader, who for a number of years has "put forward clear political demands": the achievement of "considerable autonomy from Moscow"; creating a legal and other base for the “return” of “descendants of expelled Germans”, “renaming cities, villages, streets in accordance with their original German names”, starting with the “main impulse” of the whole process - the return of the city name Königsberg. A German activist with a Russian surname adds that today "the existence of a city named Kaliningrad is a complete disgrace."

I hope, reader, it has now become clear what the German observer was referring to when he was deaf, but joyfully writing, that separatism embraced “various spheres” of Kaliningrad life? By the way, he got to the point, stating that local politicians, in fact, do not interfere with the separatist mobilization of public opinion.

The conclusion is unequivocal. The events in Ukraine clearly showed what is happening with the people, who for a long time purposefully separated from their true Russian name, spirituality and customs. In Kaliningrad, the same excommunication of young people from the Russian world takes place. The consequences can be tragic if we continue to behave as if “there is no problem”.
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  1. mad
    +30
    16 May 2014 08: 36
    Have the creative Germans thought about the mayor yet? The residents of Kaliningrad would very much support Conchita ... it would be great to symbolize the true intentions of the "Prussian Spring"!
    1. +42
      16 May 2014 08: 56
      (-) article, problems sucked from the finger, in any case, the author, the topic is not disclosed:

      Automotive workshop "Berlin" on Moscow (so far) avenue, shop "Frau Elsa", wandering from one place of the city to another, ubiquitous photographs of the old German city: at bus stops, in offices of businessmen, in office buildings ...


      in Moscow, for example, a bunch of different salons, eateries, and other establishments with foreign names, went to Minsk in May, there in the Zhdanovichi market, 100 meters away there are "Hanoi" snack bars, this cannot be taken for a manifestation of separatism, although yes, there are enough Chinese , next to the whole area built by them. Pleased with the inscription (Hanoi) Asian and Belarusian cuisine (!)

      on the German Internet under the eloquent headline “Konigsberg instead of Kaliningrad” and aroused great interest of the German reader.


      Well, what the Germans want there, as it is of little concern.

      many in Germany want us to forget that Germany attacked our country in 1941 is directly responsible for the death of 27 by millions of Soviet citizens, mostly civilians.


      I want to perehochetsya, as in the Russian Federation celebrate the victory over fascism, better than any propaganda.

      However, it is also true that the journalist, though he exaggerated the scale of separatism, was not mistaken in stating its existence.


      Well, not without it, in any herd there is a black sheep / sheep.
      1. +33
        16 May 2014 09: 07
        Quote: seller trucks
        Well, not without it, in any herd there is a black sheep / sheep.
        Well, here is the example of Ukraine shows that the whole herd has become "worn out" for 23 years ... I think this is just the case when it is better to "blow on the water" ...
        1. Luzhichanin
          +12
          16 May 2014 09: 26
          "Of course, there were some temporary conquests, as, for example, under Elizaveta Petrovna, our troops reached Konigsberg and occupied East Prussia, and then, by order of Peter III, they stopped and completely left the occupied territory." These are the words of our patriarch.
          Source http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/2836965.html

          In that year, in one of the programs "The Word of the Shepherd" generally stated that the Soviet troops occupied Konigsberg. You can search on the specified site, if you are interested, there are all the issues.

          A strange position, given the fact that these lands were once Russian.

          Here is an interesting article covering some aspects of this event:
          http://www.stoletie.ru/rossiya_i_mir/kaliningrad_ne_budet_konigsbergom_893.htm
          1. +7
            16 May 2014 09: 46
            Quote: Luzhichanin
            A strange position, given the fact that these lands were once Russian.

            Yes, everything is on the surface at all, Prussia even the name itself says that it is Russian land - Russia - Belarus - Prussia. As far as I know from the latest data, Rurik himself was from Prussian lands. And secondly, to give the land conquered by the lives of our soldiers a very bad sign. But I mean measures to bring the entire historical truth to the younger generation of Kaliningrad, and not forceful land retention. If we talk about Ukraine, then she received all the land for free without putting a single life for her, so I do not consider the return of these lands to be something very bad ..
            1. +7
              16 May 2014 10: 41
              You have already amazed me with your historical knowledge!
              1.Rurik was not from Prussian lands
              2. Prussians of the Baltic people
              3. The self-name of the Prussians - Semba
              True, Kaliningrad-Koenigsberg is the Slavic city of Kralev
              1. -4
                16 May 2014 11: 13
                From myself, I can add that ON came from Prussia ... Such small twists of history ...
                1. 0
                  17 May 2014 14: 21
                  I’m wondering why the cons? Read the foundation story ON. It was founded by refugees from Prussia, who tried to escape from forced malnutrition.
              2. +6
                16 May 2014 11: 53
                Prussians are Baltic Slavs conquered and destroyed by the Teutonic Order. Before Königsberg, the city was called Kralyov, and the Pregel-Pregol river was called Prigor.
                1. +2
                  16 May 2014 13: 45
                  Quote: Lelek
                  Prussians - Baltic Slavs,

                  The Prussian language is not a matter of discussion or fantasy.
                  Science knows several hundred Prussian words. This language does not belong to Slavic, it is close to Lithuanian.
                  There is no need to rewrite history to your taste, even from supposedly patriotic motives.
              3. +1
                16 May 2014 12: 10
                Quote: azkolt
                True, Kaliningrad-Koenigsberg is the Slavic city of Kralev
                Just like Berlin, an old Slavic village, something like "Bear's corner" ...
              4. +7
                16 May 2014 15: 20
                azkolt
                By the way, the Comrade Prussians called Kaliningrad Twangste.
                And the Lithuanians consider it the original Lithuanian city of CaralJauchus :)))
                And as soon as all sorts ... the Russian city of Kaliningrad is not called ... :)))
          2. +4
            16 May 2014 10: 46
            Elementary - "squeezing from a long distance," preparing the public opinion that these lands are not Russian, and who lives there, love, praise the future gentlemen from Europe ...
          3. +1
            16 May 2014 11: 26
            If you look even further into the past, the Prussians are a Slavic tribe, as well as the Wends, who occupied all of today's Germany and even a large territory, but all were subsequently "Germanized" under the influence of Catholicism.
          4. +1
            16 May 2014 13: 17
            Considering that the Romanovs are essentially Germans, this is not surprising. Especially if you know the composition of the "Russian" troops, especially the commanding staff. It is advisable to know exactly the real names and not the nicknames under which they remained in history.

            Yes, what can it be: by wiki Peter III Fedorovich (nee Karl Peter Ulrich Golshtein-Gottorpsky; February 21, 1728, Kiel - July 17, 1762, Ropsha) - Russian emperor in 1761-1762, the first representative of the Holstein-Gottorp (Oldenburg) branch of the Romanovs on the Russian throne. C 1745 - sovereign duke of Holstein.

            And then on the wiki:
            Elizabeth I Petrovna (December 18 [29], 1709, Kolomenskoye - December 25, 1761 [January 5, 1762], St. Petersburg) - Russian empress from the Romanov dynasty from November 25 (December 6), 1741, the youngest daughter of Peter I and Catherine I, born two years before their marriage.

            And how to understand it? Oh yes, they didn’t indicate that she, too, was Holstein, just from the branch of the Romanovs.

            All in plain text and not shy, so why be surprised. Soon we will be shown historical realities, afigem.
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        2. +2
          16 May 2014 10: 06
          ..... In-in !!! And with Russian surnames and names the same ... (this is about Ukraine)
        3. +1
          16 May 2014 10: 12
          Especially if the water is hot.
        4. fpgg1963
          0
          16 May 2014 10: 41
          I completely agree, to tear up the root.
        5. avg
          0
          16 May 2014 11: 39
          Quote: 311ove
          Well, here is the example of Ukraine shows that the whole herd has become "worn out" for 23 years ... I think this is just the case when it is better to "blow on the water" ...

          I completely agree. The most important thing is that we are losing Kaliningrad youth, a significant part of which works in the West and accordingly absorbs their values.
          1. +8
            16 May 2014 15: 31
            avg
            You are very mistaken, I declare to you as a Kaliningrad man. We do not lose Kaliningrad youth, on the contrary, it is fashionable to be a patriot now ... although this sounds obscene.

            And abroad, not a significant number of our youth work, but very few - mostly students for seasonal work - as an excursion, so that we can get money for this excursion, not depending on our parents. And then, I repeat, very little. And they couldn’t - in all neighboring countries unemployment is greater than ours. they have nowhere to go. On the contrary, we have many Lithuanian and Polish builders of guest workers. Young people are trying to hit the tulips in Holland, and at the same time smoke herbs, or to Germany. take a look
            So. that the number of those subject to "their values" is decreasing every year in view of the fact. that our media have ceased to praise foreign and alien values.
        6. +4
          16 May 2014 11: 41
          Quote: 311ove
          in Moscow, for example, a bunch of different salons, eateries, and other establishments with foreign names, went to Minsk in May, there in the Zhdanovichi market, 100 meters away there are "Hanoi" snack bars, this cannot be taken for a manifestation of separatism, although yes, there are enough Chinese , next to the whole area built by them. Pleased with the inscription (Hanoi) Asian and Belarusian cuisine (!)

          In China, Thailand, Vietnam and other countries where there are many Russian tourists, there are many cafes, restaurants, travel agencies and others with names in Russian: "Moscow"; "Peter"; "Volga"; "Neva"; "Sa
          schA ";" Masha ", etc., etc.
          1. +6
            16 May 2014 12: 35
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            there are many cafes, restaurants, travel agencies and others with names in Russian: "Moscow"; "Peter"; "Volga"; "Neva"; "Sa

            schA ";" Masha ", etc., etc.

            The same as in Germany ... I myself was in Hanover in a restaurant called "Masha and the Bear". This is the sign, not "Maria und der Bär".
            Lived from me (and still lives) Lithuanian Algis, married to Russian Helge. He and my wife became friends on the basis of religion (Orthodoxy), in 7 years they traveled around most of Orthodox churches and churches in Germany. The country is a clear leader among other countries in the world in terms of the number of such parishes. But there has never been a hint of the saying that "Russians are infiltrating Deutschland with the aim of joining it to Russia."
            On the contrary, the Germans express contentment. Christian temples are said to be better than minarets.
          2. 0
            18 May 2014 18: 20
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            In China, Thailand, Vietnam and other countries where there are many Russian tourists, there are many cafes, restaurants, travel agencies and others with names in Russian: "Moscow"; "Peter"; "Volga"; "Neva"; "Sa

            schA ";" Masha ", etc., etc.

            Yesterday, May 18, a friend returned from China ...
            Surprised: - Well, what happened to the Chinese ??
            She’s been at home, she says.
            1. +1
              18 May 2014 18: 22
              Quote: Tartary
              She’s been at home, she says.

              And you try to make the Russians learn Chinese laughing
        7. +3
          16 May 2014 13: 36
          Well, here is the example of Ukraine shows that the whole herd has become "worn out" for 23 years ... I think this is just the case when it is better to "blow on the water" ...
          In Ukraine, there was a large-scale Russophobian wave with obvious connivance, to be honest, and the promotion of power.
      2. +13
        16 May 2014 09: 20
        in vain guys
        you underestimate, the author is right, there is no place for euphoria about the Crimea, if we don’t worry, we will get Ukraine with Maydaunas
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        2. +8
          16 May 2014 09: 29
          recently released a documentary
          Russian trace of the Ark of the Covenant
          about the fact that the Teutonic Order found a Jewish relic from Yerusalim in Keninsberg
          It turned out costume delirium and not one Russian face
          not that Russian trace

          I think the topic raised is very relevant
          and worthy of study by psychiatrists
        3. +2
          16 May 2014 10: 16
          ..Learn more about Crimea ... What was meant ???
        4. Ujin61
          +1
          16 May 2014 11: 59
          All the liberal demo there surfaced, you need not to disdain and throw it in the trash. First of all, it is the task of the local authorities.
          1. +1
            16 May 2014 15: 34
            Ujin61
            You late. :))) While it has already been sent to the trash, it lies there, and does not particularly reflect. :)))
      3. GDP
        +4
        16 May 2014 09: 27
        I don’t understand why publish the same article twice in a row?
        problems sucked out of the finger, in any case the author, the topic is not disclosed:
        - definitely.
        1. +1
          16 May 2014 10: 01
          Quote: GDP
          - definitely.

          and you read the Kaliningrad forums on this topic
          1. GDP
            0
            16 May 2014 10: 09
            can you give a link?
            1. 0
              16 May 2014 10: 14
              look, on this site http://klops.ru/ you can see in history
              1. GDP
                +2
                16 May 2014 10: 17
                Thank you ... Although, to be honest, I haven’t found anything yet ...
                1. +1
                  18 May 2014 15: 59
                  - Klopsru is a local gossip ...
            2. +1
              16 May 2014 10: 26
              http://klops.ru/news/obschestvo/90730-na-obertke-imperskoy-shokoladki-zabyli-nar
              isovat-kaliningrad / comments

              http://klops.ru/news/obschestvo/90129-deputat-predlozhil-nazvat-imenem-kanta-plo
              schad-u-doma-sovetov-i-aeroport / comments

              http://klops.ru/news/sosedi/87501-prezident-ssha-poobeschal-lideram-baltiyskih-s
              tran-zaschitu-so-storony-nato / comments

              http://klops.ru/news/obschestvo/90463-rossiya-prigrozila-ustanovit-v-kaliningrad
              e-kompleksy-topol-m / comments

              http://39kenig.livejournal.com/2835.html
              1. +6
                16 May 2014 10: 39
                Uncle, and why did you decide that Kaliningradians write this? Nobody stopped the information war, and if you still have to monetize this business, it’s generally Eldorado.
                1. 0
                  16 May 2014 11: 14
                  Quote: seller trucks
                  uncle and why did you decide that Kaliningraders write it

                  so this problem also slips in a personal conversation, I myself, as it were, from KO
                  1. +2
                    16 May 2014 12: 16
                    "I am a native of Kaliningrad, the daughter of an officer, just believe me, not everything is so simple here" - is this not the case?
                    1. 0
                      16 May 2014 12: 23
                      Quote: Good cat
                      this is not the case?

                      unfortunately not, the idea is in the air, by the way in the 90s the question of separation was raised quite seriously
                      1. +1
                        16 May 2014 15: 38
                        Vasilenko Vladimir
                        That's right, for the second time the white bellies tried to raise it ... raised it ... and lowered it ... they lowered it :)))
              2. GDP
                +1
                16 May 2014 10: 52
                I read, I admit - I was wrong, there is a problem ...

                I live in East Prussia .. #
                29 April 2014 to 23: 43
                It's time.
                In general, with these Bolshevik names for everything, it’s time to end. The city had a wonderful story. And she must get her sequel.

                and many more ...

                or someone is working to create such a problem ...
                1. +3
                  16 May 2014 11: 16
                  as soon as a topic slips into the discussion, there are quite a lot and most importantly all this is extremely aggressive, and most importantly, with the inertia of the majority, the aggressive minority may well do their game
                2. +1
                  16 May 2014 11: 46
                  From a small stream, the river begins, but about friendship - a question.
              3. 0
                16 May 2014 12: 17

                more on the topic, if you want, you can find enough, even the Kazakh national authorities in this noted
                1. +3
                  16 May 2014 12: 43
                  regarding German revisionism, with the same success, the Germans should claim Memel (Klaipeda, Lithuania) and adjacent territories, Danzing (Gdansk, Poland) with territories and the so-called "Polish corridor" (Mazovia), as well as Pomerania ( Szczecin Voivodeship), partly Silesia with the city of Breslau (Wroclaw), Cieszyn Silesia became part of Czechoslovakia, Holland received the Dollart Bay (mouth of the Ems River) and adjacent territories with the cities of Borkum, Venlo and Bantheim. Belgium got part of the Schleiden district and the city of Monhau. Luxembourg received an 8-kilometer lane along the Moselle River.

                  from the foregoing it is clear that Poland got the most of all, let them pretend to these territories, and try to take the guts from Russia, let them try to take them.

                  And yet, on the territory of the Rus-Russian Empire-USSR-RF, its entire history has been many volunteers. And de they?
          2. +1
            16 May 2014 15: 36
            Vasilenko Vladimir
            Greetings. countryman!
            But you must admit, such moods sharply waned. And there will always be network hamsters and bellies, but they do not determine the climate.
      4. +8
        16 May 2014 09: 38
        The problem is absolute and today it is impossible not to understand. This is the essence of information technology. Technology is a tool. The tool can be cut down, and you can cut the head. Therefore, we must carefully monitor how and for what purposes the information is used, what feelings it awakens in people, what it mobilizes for. I'm not saying that this MUST be subject to control and management. After realizing the role of information in all kinds of orange and other revolutions, events in Ukraine, it became absolutely clear that achieving the goals of the war (redistributing market resources and privileges) is possible using these very technologies. Do not simplify, gentlemen. Simplicity, sometimes worse than theft ...
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      6. +5
        16 May 2014 09: 55
        Quote: seller trucks
        problems sucked out of the finger

        well, not entirely out of hand, and apparently this problem is not new and in certain circles the topic of "our little Prussia" has been discussed for a long time, though if I raise a red flag over my farm and keep the defense
        1. +4
          16 May 2014 10: 47
          Here our fat rage, rename:
          The head of Krasnodar, Vladimir Evlanov, unexpectedly proposed renaming the city to Ekaterinodar. Like, now, against the backdrop of the growth of patriotism, after the return of the Crimea to Russia, it is time for Krasnodar to return the old name. To restore historical justice in the name of the memory of ancestors.
          Vladimir Yevlanov expects that everyone will support him and the townspeople - “for”. However, a similar idea, expressed and strongly lobbied at one time by the regional governor Alexander Tkachev, did not find unanimous support from Krasnodar. Even the polls that were most pleasing to the eyes of the authorities showed that at least half of the residents of the capital of the Kuban were against renaming.
          Indeed, for the majority of ordinary people (and this is not a dirty word at all) the name "Yekaterinodar" is associated not with a modern city, but with adobe ruins, dirty streets, dusty sidewalks: with everything that the local authorities are trying to fight now, implementing a program on reconstruction of Krasnodar. Look at the city center: these narrow streets, built up close to old houses with skewed fences and crooked windows - these are the remains of Yekaterinodar! Can such a city become the capital of southern Russia ?!

          But the Germans are sleeping and see how Königsberg would be wrapped back ... stop
          1. +4
            16 May 2014 12: 17
            Quote: Serg 122
            But the Germans are sleeping and see how Königsberg would be wrapped back ...

            laughing laughing laughing
            Sorry, but I didn’t understand - is this your irony or not?
            If irony, then you "+"! I will add that absolutely every German in Germany sees in his night dreams every night how they will join the "German Volga region" with the city of Engels, regions in Siberia with settlements inhabited by ethnic Germans (in particular, the village of Berezovy, in the Achinsk region) ... Yes and many other regions in Russia where at least one German lives. laughing

            I confess that I also returned to Russia with the task of inflating separatist sentiments in Tatarstan, instilling in the Tatars the feeling that their roots are in Saxony, and annexing the whole republic as one of the lands in Germany called "Land Tatarstan-Wolga".
            I already wanted to create a dozen pages on blogs, where I would post "comments" under different nicknames calling for "dumping from Russia" ... But then they discovered me. belay
            "Achtung! Gefahr! Zeit zu gehen ..." crying
            1. +3
              16 May 2014 14: 33
              Sorry, but I didn’t understand - is this your irony or not?
              If irony, then you "+"!

              Thanks for the "+"! Irony, of course. The stupidity of some representatives of different peoples (including Russians (for example, Krasnodar)), except for irony, does not cause anything else wassat
      7. +11
        16 May 2014 10: 21
        Quote: seller trucks
        after 100 meters there are "Hanoi" eateries
        Damn, and in every district of the city there are almost ten "Harakiri" sushi restaurants ... I sense the Japanese are advancing. However, any Russophobic sentiments should be closely monitored. Pleased on May 1 in Berlin)
        1. +4
          16 May 2014 13: 00
          In Germany, a rally of many thousands. What does the people of Germany think about the situation in Ukraine. The Germans demand friendship with Russia!
      8. 225chay
        +2
        16 May 2014 11: 21
        Quote: seller trucks
        (-) article, problems sucked from the finger, in any case, the author, the topic is not disclosed:


        And what will dear Asgard say about this?
        Volodya, I would like to hear the exact information about the situation
      9. WKS
        +4
        16 May 2014 11: 40
        Quote: seller trucks
        (-) article, problems sucked from the finger, in any case, the author, the topic is not disclosed:

        I completely agree with the thesis. It would be surprising if the descendants of the evicted Prussians were not nostalgic for their lost homeland. As for the Russian Kaliningraders, so why shouldn't they know the history of the Prussian period in the region. The presence or absence of any names will not change the region’s affiliation with the Russian jurisdiction. And Königsberg has a really glorious history, one Kant of which is worth it. The people of Prussia were ethnically close to us, but 100% German.
        Once in antiquity, German tribes squeezed Russia from the Baltic seaside to the Neva, Volkhov, Dnieper, and in the 20th century, Russia partially regained what it lost. History does not stand still, you look and return the rest.
        1. +1
          16 May 2014 12: 06
          Quote: wks
          why they cannot know the history of the Prussian period of the region. The presence or absence of any names will not change the region’s affiliation with the Russian jurisdiction

          history and calls for separation are two different things
      10. +3
        16 May 2014 11: 54
        problems sucked out of the finger, in any case the author, the topic is not disclosed:
        I support you, they tried to exaggerate this problem there since 1991, and then they used to come by ferry, and Lithuania tried to join them, then they didn’t give it away, but now they won’t give it away! Fuck them, not Kemsku parish! Yes
        1. +1
          16 May 2014 12: 08
          Quote: Gomunkul
          then they didn’t give, but now they won’t give

          there is a problem and this problem is called ideology, if you drive the population into the head, what’s better there, that KO is not Russia, then you won’t give it away only with big blood, which means you don’t have to hush up the question
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      12. +2
        16 May 2014 11: 59
        Quote: seller trucks
        seller trucks

        Good morning friends!
        I fully support your opinion. Since you should not pay attention to each "bunch", it will fade and flutter.
        The author is mistaken, this is not from the middle of 2000, but from 1945 there is a stink. Someone once had estates, lands there. And their descendant wants it back. Nobody has yet canceled money-grubbing. And human greed is always present. And not yet in the middle of 2000, but in 2002, under the rule of Schroeder, Foreign Minister Joshka Fischer (albeit an I.D.O.T.), but stated bluntly that East Prussia was always lost, there can be no more discussions on this. And the fact that some journalists whom the State Department paid a little to bite once again write to Russia for service. It's all nonsense. Not worth paying attention to.
        1. +5
          16 May 2014 12: 11
          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          Since you should not pay attention to each "bunch", it will fade and flutter.


          from such bunches it turns out Maidan, Odessa, etc.
          1. +2
            16 May 2014 12: 17
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            from such bunches it turns out Maidan, Odessa, etc.

            For 69 years, it did not work out and now it will not work. Look carefully Odessa is Ukraine with the Ukrainian government. And this is Russia with the Russian government. And this is understood in the West. That rockers from Kaliningrad to Berlin, Paris and other cities will fly faster. At least they would have looked at the map.
            1. +1
              16 May 2014 12: 38
              Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
              For 69 years it didn’t work and now it won’t

              anyone 20 years ago could have suggested this
              1. +2
                16 May 2014 13: 20
                I tell you again. Please do not compare the people of Ukraine
                1. Who has been brainwashed for over 20 years.
                2. Governments that changed during this period of time set their goal to "fill their pockets"
                3. Galicia "as a part of Ukraine" Benders who were always against the Soviet regime, and genetically hate Russians.
                4. The common people were "brutalized" by this violence of the authorities.
                5. There is no investment in youth, and this is the future.
                These are just a few small points of what was done wrong.
                And I can continue this list for a very long time. And now compare the situation in Kaliningrad.
                Please write yourself what the Russian government did and see for yourself.
                In Moscow, too, is Bolotnaya, so what?
                1. 0
                  16 May 2014 13: 26
                  Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                  1. Who has been brainwashed for over 20 years.

                  with us brainwashed enough
                  1. +3
                    16 May 2014 13: 34
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    with us brainwashed enough

                    We will continue to continue the discussion that this is another bunch? drinks
              2. 0
                18 May 2014 17: 28
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                anyone 20 years ago could have suggested this

                Yes, no problems at all - my uncle was from Lvov, so in 1991 he moved to Moscow, although he had everything there - a great apartment, work, and in Moscow - a shish with butter. So when my parents then asked him - "why did he say so - he threw everything, there are no prospects there?" - he replied that there is already a lot of Banderaism, and in a couple of years it will break through to power, and not only in the Lviv region, but throughout Ukraine ... So ...
          2. +1
            18 May 2014 17: 23
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            from such bunches it turns out Maidan, Odessa, etc.

            I beg your pardon, but Maidans do not come from "bunches", but from the enormous subversive work on which billions of dollars are spent, and to make the Maidan it is far from enough just to tryndezh in social networks ...
      13. +1
        16 May 2014 12: 47
        Quote: seller trucks
        in Moscow, for example, a bunch of different salons, eateries, etc. institutions with foreign names

        Yes, there is a very significant difference where the diner will be with a German name - in Moscow or in Kaliningrad. One could not pay special attention to the cafe with the name "Von Ludwig" in Yakutsk, but in the former Königsberg this is already a very alarming symptom.
      14. +2
        16 May 2014 13: 41
        Add
        Quote: seller trucks
        problems sucked out of the finger
        -
        Petersburg - a purely German name - I already have a panic !!!
      15. +3
        16 May 2014 14: 40
        So now the calls for the dismemberment of the Russian Federation are also being prosecuted ... If separatist voices would have sounded more directly, then a mechanism for them already exists. it is only up to the will to apply it if necessary.
      16. +4
        16 May 2014 15: 15
        seller trucks
        Ha, she’s not just sucked from a finger, she ... okay. I can not tell. where its author took, the moderators will not understand ... :))) Put a panic! :)

        As a Kaliningrader I responsibly declare:

        1. Yes, there was such a project of the Euro-Baltic republic, supported by Poland, Lithuania and Germany. In these countries, after the collapse of the USSR, special committees at parliaments were created to oversee the Kaliningrad theme, and NGOs were actively proliferating. German, Polish and Lithuanian "cultural centers" - that is, propaganda centers - have been created. But it is not all that bad. The number of local barrrans who were fooled and supported the secession and creation of the Euro-Baltic republic changed in waves, but NEVER exceeded 10 percent, even in the worst times. Another peak happened at the height of the white-ribbon bacchanalia - in our country the swamp one began even earlier than in Moscow. Nemtsov came. People were gathered into crowds (never exceeding 2000) under various pretexts - either motorists against bad roads, or something else. Considering that the region received significant attention and special funding (hello Givi Torgamadze), the protest movements were great ... but without any chance of success ... Definitely !!! :)))
        The person whom the author calls "a person with an absolutely Russian surname" is most likely a businessman and a deputy with the surname Lopata - an ethnic Lithuanian :))), all of whose relatives live in Lithuania, trying to bring Kaliningrad to the Lithuanian paradise ... but we do not need that paradise - everyone can see that Lithuania is deep ....... :))) Now all these figures have resolved and disappeared from the horizon. The people are actively recovering from swamp fever. Therefore - h ... en in their throat, so that the head does not swing, and not the Kaliningrad region ... :)))

        2. The fact that German sights are recreated (in many ways, with German irrevocable money) and are built in the German style is done to increase the attractiveness of the city for tourists. And they’re doing it right. Talks about the renaming of the city are practically stalled and only a handful of outcasts maintain fire in a stunted bonfire ....

        3. Kaliningraders have always been show-off like Muscovites - those from the capital, ours - the most western. :))) Kaliningrad is called Koenig - it has been so fashionable since the 50s. But this does not mean anything. Our "business men" shouted about the dominance of Moscow business, who wanted to remain in charge here, without investing anything. without developing infrastructure. but only mowing the grandmother. They set the people on fire. But Muscovites came, and over the past ten years we have built more enterprises and roads than in the previous quarter century. The city has changed. And we are ... who owns this or that trading network.

        Of course, there are a lot of problems, but there is no reason for all ...

        The result. The author later caught himself and read in vain the opinion of the Germans, who are as far from the truth as the Decembrists from the people. :)))
        1. +3
          17 May 2014 16: 50
          Well done fellow countryman! I was just too lazy to write a lot. All is correct !!! No need to catch up on the rest of Russia. Everything is fine with us.
      17. +1
        18 May 2014 16: 49
        Zhdanovichi after 100 meters there are "Hanoi" eateries, this cannot be mistaken for a manifestation of separatism, although yes, there are enough Chinese, there is a whole district nearby

        In fact, Hanoi is Vietnam, and you already think like a China, attributing this city to the Middle Kingdom.
    2. +3
      16 May 2014 13: 29
      Kaliningraders would very much support Conchita ...
      Yes, what kind of nonsense is the article and some comments, as a resident of this city I declare. There is nothing to look for that which is not in the names and in the history. At one time, the inhabitants of Koenigsberg asked for Russian citizenship in Elizabethan times. suffering from a lack of upbringing and intelligence, Peter the 3rd, the grandson of Elizabeth returned Prussia to Frederick, who was left without such a kingdom. Peter ended badly; his German wife served Russia with dignity. Now Kenik is a beautiful absolutely Russian city with its history and color, the residents are friendly, on May 9 a huge number of people were at the Victory Parade. There are always flowers on the monuments to fallen soldiers. The only thing that, in my opinion, has been missed is that the places of fighting and burial of Russian soldiers of the 1st World War in the region have been forgotten.
      1. +1
        16 May 2014 15: 46
        jktu66
        I support, fellow countryman. In vain the people got excited.
      2. +2
        17 May 2014 16: 51
        That's right !!! You're right. I support.
    3. +3
      16 May 2014 13: 39
      Germans can dream about anything, but Kaliningrad will not be Koenigsberg, and Baltiysk-Pillau ... laughing
  2. +38
    16 May 2014 08: 37
    A German activist with a Russian surname adds that today "the existence of a city with the name" Kaliningrad "is a complete disgrace."


    We must work with young people. Ideology has not been canceled!
    1. +6
      16 May 2014 08: 54
      To immediately kill a snake - you must tear off her head. So with this disgrace in Kaliningrad. It was necessary to respond immediately, but it is better to unscrew the heads in advance to the ORGANIZERS!
    2. +9
      16 May 2014 08: 58
      All structures have to work, from school to the FSB. The enemy does not sleep, and scratches his hands
    3. +7
      16 May 2014 09: 01
      Quote: omsbon
      Nobody has canceled the ideology yet!

      canceled, the whole trouble is
      1. +4
        16 May 2014 10: 19
        ... Well, yes .. The Octobrists, pioneers, Komsomol members were canceled .... Zampolitov finally ... And they got ...
    4. +4
      16 May 2014 09: 05
      Quote: omsbon
      We must work with young people. Ideology has not been canceled!

      If I don’t die in the trenches of fear,
      If a Russian sniper doesn't make a hole,
      If I don’t surrender myself
      Then we will twist love again
      With you, Lily Marlene.

      Beating a hurricane, God help me!
      I will give the Ivanes a helmet and boots,
      Just to let me in return
      Under the lamp stand together
      With you, Lily Marlene.
    5. shower
      +4
      16 May 2014 10: 01
      While the mattress-beds and the EU did not give us hemorrhoids in Kaliningrad, (people will stir up people) we must urgently get ahead. Specialists in the bud block activists. Create a ministry for the development of the Kaliningrad region, following the example of the Ministries of the East and the Caucasus. Whatever you say, these are all strategic directions that are important for Russia.
    6. +1
      16 May 2014 10: 02
      Quote: omsbon
      Nobody has canceled the ideology yet!

      for the last 23 years of "khakamada" it can be said to have been banned
    7. +2
      16 May 2014 11: 29
      Quote: omsbon
      We must work with young people. Ideology has not been canceled!

      Absolutely right! It's been a long time since I "hear" that Kaliningrad youth is "becoming Germanized" and now ... it turns out that "things are still there"? Is there a program of national and patriotic education for Kaliningrad youth? I should have thought about it for a long time. Or is it easier for "bureaucrats" to steal than to deal with a business useful for the state?
      1. +1
        16 May 2014 12: 04
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Is there a general program of national and patriotic education of Kaliningrad youth?

        should not be like this, there should be a program of patriotic education of RUSSIAN youth
      2. 0
        16 May 2014 15: 51
        Nikolaevich I
        You are wrong. The peak of "Germanization" is long gone. The cart has long been pulled out and is heading in the right direction. It has become "fashionable" among young people to be patriots. With the exception of the miserable marginals and the remnants of the discredited white-ribbon supporters, we have practically no supporters of the Euro-Baltic republic.
  3. +5
    16 May 2014 08: 38
    And what about the Baltic Fleet !! ?? What will happen to him !! ?? How is my destroyer !! ?? Everything in the Crimea !? Unclear... belay
    1. +9
      16 May 2014 08: 50
      panic is premature. we like journalists to fan the problem. I judge in my Volga region that they just didn’t write about us: both the caliphate is brewing here and the Russians are allegedly oppressed. people conflict among themselves, regardless of nation, if we isolate events for the sake of political demands, we can distort the situation in any way.
      1. +1
        16 May 2014 09: 23
        keep the gunpowder dry, don't flatter yourself
      2. GRune
        +5
        16 May 2014 09: 24
        Well, with regard to history books in Ukraine, too, he rustled everything, the result, as they say, is visible, it took only 20 years to get knives on knives nationwide ... So it's better to overdo it ...
      3. +2
        16 May 2014 10: 03
        Quote: bairat
        panic is premature.

        ostrich policy is extremely dangerous in such matters
    2. +3
      16 May 2014 08: 50
      panic is premature. we like journalists to fan the problem. I judge in my Volga region that they just didn’t write about us: both the caliphate is brewing here and the Russians are allegedly oppressed. people conflict among themselves, regardless of nation, if we isolate events for the sake of political demands, we can distort the situation in any way.
      1. +1
        16 May 2014 12: 05
        Quote: bairat
        panic is premature. we like journalists to fan the problem

        when it burns, it will be too late to panic, banderlogs to you as an example
    3. +4
      16 May 2014 10: 20
      .... Don’t worry so ... Your destroyer will be in place (in Kaliningrad) :)))))))
  4. +6
    16 May 2014 08: 41
    First you need to bring up the Hitler Youth for 20 years! I hope it does not get to this? Enough ukr example?
  5. +3
    16 May 2014 08: 43
    One more split of Russia cannot be allowed !!! There are ours !!!
  6. +22
    16 May 2014 08: 44
    Quote: omsbon
    We must work with youth.

    And not only with youth - the so-called the middle class that we have raised is also longing for the West. I’d just look, otherwise many are ready to give the Russian lands as well.
    “Kemsk volost! Yes, take it away! ”, The fake Ivan the Terrible, the hero of the actor Yakovlev, easily parted with“ unnecessary ”territories. “What are you doing, royal face? So you will not save up any volosts! ”, Miloslavsky-Kuravlev shuts him up - a crime, a thief, but a realist who suddenly turned out to be a greater patriot than this intellectual manager. These greedy "house managers" with the horizon of the layman are very dangerous. Those who do not understand that it would seem that small territorial concessions, albeit in exchange for profitable contracts, in the future will turn into more and more territorial claims. And there will be no end to this, for only power is respected.
    1. Luzhichanin
      0
      16 May 2014 09: 28
      sho there is a middle class, the main thing is that the shaggy class will not get out
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    3. +2
      16 May 2014 09: 58
      Quote: demotivator
      And not only with youth - the so-called the middle class that we nurtured is also eagerly looking to the West

      You need to thoughtfully look for reasons and draw conclusions, "suppression" and "persecution" - the situation will only worsen.
  7. Stasi
    0
    16 May 2014 08: 44
    If our government does not take urgent measures to correct the situation and suppress pro-German sentiments that lead to separatism, we will get our "Crimea" in the Baltic. The risk of developing such a situation is very high.
    1. 0
      16 May 2014 09: 24
      totally agree
    2. 0
      16 May 2014 15: 55
      Stasi
      Measures have long been taken. The number of supporters of the Euro-Baltic republic, together with the white bellies, has waned. There is always danger, of course. But the risk is small - we transmit.
  8. +14
    16 May 2014 08: 44
    A donut hole and not Kaliningrad. And for the fascist ideology it is cruel to prosecute. I wonder what the local FSB is doing.
    1. -2
      16 May 2014 08: 53
      How what? He is at war with the "liberals"!
      1. 0
        16 May 2014 15: 57
        Nahum
        And he does it right - after all, it was the liberals who were the supporters of separatism.

        Andrey160479
        Do not worry, the FSB is in place, and it is not for nothing that he eats his bread.
  9. +30
    16 May 2014 08: 44
    An obvious "bell"! I wrote, and I will repeat it again. Ukraine - a rehearsal! The EU and the US aim to destroy the Russian Federation! To be afraid of the revival of the USSR! Therefore, we need the MOST EFFECTIVE MEASURES both for propaganda, and in relation to any swamp, and for helping their own Russians who are on the borders and are more exposed to enemy propaganda through the media, TV and other "agitators"
    1. +7
      16 May 2014 09: 46
      It is necessary to nip in the bud! Do not wait for the Maidan!
    2. +7
      16 May 2014 09: 50
      This "bell", Elena, has been ringing for a long time and, perhaps, has already become an alarm bell. Let me repeat the words attributed to Pastor Martin Niemeller:
      First they came for the Jews. I was silent - I was not a Jew.
      Then they came for the communists. I was silent - I was not a communist.
      Then they came for union workers. I was silent - I was not a union worker.
      Then they came for me. But there was no one left who could help me
      And this is the same meaning, but adapted to the global process:
      First they came to Iraq. We did not intervene, they talked about democracy ...
      Then they came to Yugoslavia. We did not intercede, they said that the Serbs were already drawing Russia into the world war ...
      Then they came to Libya. We were silent, because it is so far ...
      And, now, they are already in Ukraine, on ancient Russian land. Tomorrow they will come to us if we do not stop them now.
  10. APS
    +3
    16 May 2014 08: 44
    It is necessary to work with youth, so that people like in Ukraine would not grow!
    1. +2
      16 May 2014 10: 12
      It’s not just necessary, but most importantly necessary and archly important. And not only to the state, but also at the level of the cell of society - the family. Which is much more important.
  11. +2
    16 May 2014 08: 45
    Yes, there are fears. Some types are hammering the heads of young people, but there is also a method - get out of Russia! Let the society of "eastern lands" gather there!
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  13. arch_kate3
    +5
    16 May 2014 08: 50
    So, we urgently need to change the leadership of the region! The conclusion is obvious.
    1. +1
      16 May 2014 10: 04
      Quote: arch_kate3
      So, we urgently need to change the leadership of the region!

      And what will it give, people will start to think differently?
    2. +2
      16 May 2014 10: 11
      Quote: arch_kate3
      So, we urgently need to change the leadership of the region! The conclusion is obvious.

      without ideological work it will not give anything
  14. sidprokaznik
    +4
    16 May 2014 08: 50
    The problem is real. It is urgent to do something, both in the ideological and in the legal sense. Otherwise, we will "slap" the Kaliningrad region as Ukraine.
  15. +3
    16 May 2014 08: 50
    Yeah, the Germans dream ... But their dreams are impossible. Kaliningrad will always be Russian and this must be measured. Russia will only be expanding, now not a step back!
    1. +1
      16 May 2014 09: 27
      Dreaming is not bad, take off your blinkers
      1. +1
        16 May 2014 09: 57
        take off the blinkers


        ))) Does he understand German?
    2. +4
      16 May 2014 10: 37
      While some Germans dream of Kaliningrad, other Germans seek the truth
  16. KOH
    +4
    16 May 2014 08: 52
    GDP, pay attention to the governor of the Kaliningrad region, maybe due to the isolation of the region, he played in the German vassal there ...
  17. +5
    16 May 2014 08: 53
    These are all the consequences of corrupting liberalism and the lack of a coherent political line of the 90s and early 0s ...
    The admission of the Germans ... the arrivals of the former owners ... sighing of how it was here before ... all this was perceived by part of the population ...

    BUT ... this is only one side of the coin ... there are a lot of factors that cause bewilderment and rejection ... make a person look for an alternative view (and whoever is looking will find it), a few scattered examples that influenced the formation of thoughts about ... alien territory:
    - the deportation of the population was carried out from these territories, a measure necessary in the context of the post-war period;
    - on the territory of the Kaliningrad region there was a huge park with a developed irrigation system, now it is quite in disrepair, waterlogging of individual sections is underway (this is how it was before and as the average man now thinks);
    - the cities were practically not systematically restored until the 60s ... it is perceived as a relation to "alien territory", and with the beginning of restoration a number of historical buildings were simply demolished - their own ones were even restored from the ruins, there are stories of old-timers about how the cobblestones are for Red the squares were taken out (perhaps a myth ... but people think so);
    - in a huge cathedral on the island (on the side of Kant’s grave) ... an Orthodox church is opened ... to put it mildly a strange step ... the people who invented it look like provocateurs (like opening a Catholic cathedral in the Orthodox church in the Donskoy monastery).

    The remoteness and isolation of the territory, and so, gives rise to a special psychology ... and the specially disparate facts cited by me ... say one thing - WE treat the territory ourselves as ALIEN ... you understand YOURSELF.
    1. -2
      16 May 2014 11: 07
      Guys, explain to me, please, are the Prussians Germans or Russians? How many Russians lived in Prussia until 1941 or until 1913? What are you talking about?!
      The Kaliningrad region is an occupied territory, no matter how you call it. Comparing it with Ukraine is the height of ignorance and stupidity. Ukraine consists of Little Russia - actually Ukraine, New Russia - the Wild Field, annexed Galicia, Bukovina, etc. Ukrainians are Russian guys from the outskirts, unlike Westerners who are Galicians. And the Kaliningrad region was densely populated by Germans and has a German history. There was no wild field of history, and Novorossia has Russian history, even when it was Ukraine. Do you catch the difference with Kaliningrad?
      I don’t understand what relation the territory has to ideology (Prussia to fascism). Fascism in general was born in Italy. Why haven’t the Italians been evicted?
    2. +3
      16 May 2014 11: 12
      Quote: silberwolf88
      - in a huge cathedral on the island (on the side of Kant’s grave) ... an Orthodox church is opened ... to put it mildly a strange step ... the people who invented it look like provocateurs (like opening a Catholic cathedral in the Orthodox church in the Donskoy monastery).

      Not quite true: in one of the chapels of the cathedral, and the rest is used as a historical and cultural object. Organ music festivals are held. In general, this is a museum complex. Take a look:
  18. +6
    16 May 2014 08: 53
    If the Mongol-Tatar yoke did not "re-mongolize" us, and the Germans all the more will not succeed .. But a serious problem has been raised, and it is not worth it to sit idly by a massive attack on Russian culture and our essence ..
    1. +1
      16 May 2014 10: 51
      "... If the Mongol-Tatar yoke did not" omongolize "us, and the Germans, all the more, will not succeed ..."

      But the people in the Ukraine were "obsessed" ...
  19. +3
    16 May 2014 08: 55
    All nationalist speeches must be crushed in the bud, otherwise it will be too late. Who does not like, let them leave. Russia must not lose its territory. All this negativity is only due to the fact that we pay little attention to the education of patriotism among our citizens. Our patriotism is kind of undulating. Either it is clearly manifested in difficult moments in history, then it is forgotten for a while. People need to be educated constantly, from diapers to the tombstone.
  20. +6
    16 May 2014 08: 55
    Urgently change the top of the elite: governor, mayor, prosecutors, beg. Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB. This happens with their connivance or with their knowledge.
    1. +3
      16 May 2014 16: 03
      Lomicus
      You would have to wave everything with a saber, change everyone ... but nothing happens with us. Appropriate measures have long been taken, and pathetic attempts at separatism have been stifled. Supporters of the Euro-Baltic Republic every year less and less.
  21. sergeybulkin
    +5
    16 May 2014 08: 56
    If we let everything go by itself, then first there will be formed its own right sector (guess who will be the sponsor), then its own Maidan and their maidanuts, and the separation - returning to their homeland (joining Germany), and without any referendums, since. there the majority are Russians, Russians "suddenly" are eager to become Germans.
  22. +3
    16 May 2014 08: 58
    Too many emotions. Leningrad was also returned its historical name, and could have been called Petrograd. It's generally funny to talk about stores. Tell me at least one city where there are no German store names.
    1. +2
      16 May 2014 09: 33
      Lushsha Petrograd, during the bourgeois revolution, the majority of the population of Russia say- PETER, was in St. Petersburg, lived in St. Petersburg, well, etc. etc.
    2. +4
      16 May 2014 12: 29
      Yes, it's not the names that matter, but the porridge that is cooked in people's heads. And this porridge is "muddied" (this is when fishermen and hunters shake out all the products from their backpacks into one pot, add water and after half an hour of cooking - if you please taste it), when the ideas of liberalism, communism, various pluralisms and democracies are crammed into one head. Here and absolutely healthy Yeti the bowler hat dives. fool
  23. +3
    16 May 2014 08: 59
    it must be stopped immediately .. otherwise it will be worse. not only the Germans will take advantage of this ..
  24. pravda2014s
    +5
    16 May 2014 09: 00
    For the first time I hear that the residents of Kaliningrad and the region wanted to separate from Russia, what a nonsense! Of course, in every region there are traitors to their fatherland, but there are always a minority of them. They always were and unfortunately always will be (((Especially against the background of Islamization and the degrodation of the Europepps, I do not think that our compatriots want to go there. The article is provocative and false.
    1. +3
      16 May 2014 10: 26
      .... But you don’t need a lot of traitors .... There is a certain critical amount that can turn everything around .. Example Ukraine ... Some 10000 ghouls and rotten intelligentsia on the Maidan turned the whole country inside out ....
      1. +3
        16 May 2014 12: 16
        Ghouls in Ukraine came to an already rotting field. So, they only had to use bits, "lighters" and unbridled impudence to pick up the fallen power. wassat
  25. +5
    16 May 2014 09: 02
    They get a hole from a donut, not Koenigsberg. Let your lips roll up.
  26. +6
    16 May 2014 09: 03
    The news is sucked from the finger. I was in Kaliningrad and its environs a year ago, there are no German moods there. Ordinary Russian youth. It is better to look for European emitters in St. Petersburg, there are many of them.
  27. +4
    16 May 2014 09: 04
    Somehow, during the "Yeltsin rule" - when the people had already fully experienced all his "squiggles", they watched a discussion about the Kaliningrad region on TV Channel 5. So, one pimply-minded (from the locals) whined that if it were not for our Victory in the Second World War, now he would calmly drink German beer with sausages !!! How many such idiots have divorced who do not understand that they, in the event of a victory in Germany, will not they would have drunk beer, and with a pick they cut down a stone for the German pavements for a bowl of porridge.
    Fifteen years ago, in the city of the region, in which he once served, a bus with a catchy inscription on its forehead: "Königavto", jarred, but apparently this Germanism still exists.
    Once in the region a powerful grouping of the Armed Forces of the USSR was concentrated, and the state of patriotism of the local population was determined by numerous Soviet officers and military veterans. Obviously, the way out of the situation in the CO described by the author is in the consolidation of these very people. Only they can resist the bribed idiots with Russian surnames and German flags.
  28. pink
    +1
    16 May 2014 09: 04
    If we miss time, we will get a new Euro-Maidan, only now in Russia. Of course, for the West it will be more difficult than in Ukraine, because we have not changed school programs. But if you try, and even with inaction on our part, the result will not be long in coming.
  29. +3
    16 May 2014 09: 05
    The fact that Kaliningrad is called Koenig in itself is scary, because in fact, what is Kaliningrad, well, what does Kalinin have to do with it?
    German houses or houses stylized in the German style can be perceived as a kind of trophies - we have conquered this land and we live there. That's just about the youth can not be forgotten. Patriotic education is our everything. After the collapse of the Union of ideology, we do not have any, and practice shows that this is a pressing and urgent task, we are already 23 years late.
    1. 0
      16 May 2014 11: 27
      Well, what are you talking about? What ideology? ABOUT THE IDEOLOGY OF THE OCCUPANTS? So it is not and will not be. Patriotism - from the word "patrio" - fatherland. For whom is the Kaliningad Region the Fatherland? The Kaliningrad region is a homeland only for those who were born and live there, but not for all Russians. We liberated Hungary, and put in it no less people than in Prussia, why now settle Hungary with Russians?
      1. 0
        16 May 2014 12: 00
        Hungarians fought with the USSR to settle it with the Germans?
        1. +1
          16 May 2014 12: 07
          I am ashamed not to know this. We fought. Near Stalingrad.
        2. +2
          16 May 2014 12: 13
          you will be surprised but almost all the peoples of Europe fought against us
          1. -2
            16 May 2014 12: 23
            I won’t be surprised. I don’t understand why everyone fought, but only the Prussians got it?
            1. +1
              16 May 2014 12: 40
              Quote: Silhouette
              but only the Prussians got it?

              it’s just that Pilau wasn’t in another place, it would also be chopped off
              1. 0
                16 May 2014 13: 08
                That’s the whole ideology. Just do not deceive yourself.
                1. +1
                  16 May 2014 13: 28
                  Quote: Silhouette
                  That’s the whole ideology. Just do not deceive yourself.

                  what are you talking about?
      2. +3
        16 May 2014 12: 10
        What are we occupying? Slavic lands conquered and settled by the Germans? For almost 70 years, there have been no Germans in East Prussia. There are ours, Russian people! What, are they all invaders? There are real occupiers in Germany — these are the Americans who remained there from the war. The Germans themselves do not even think about the return of East Prussia.
        If I live in the Bryansk region, then what, Smolenskaya and Oryol for me - this is not the Fatherland?
        All Russia for me is not the Fatherland?
        The current Kaliningrad region is the Fatherland for all citizens of Russia - both for Russians, and for Ukrainians, and for Jews, and for Buryats, and for the Chukchi!
        1. -3
          16 May 2014 12: 28
          We are occupying a territory that until 1945 had nothing to do with the territory of the USSR or Russia and which they never claimed under any pretext. Well there was no reason. At all. And now they suddenly appeared. Isn’t it funny?
          Reminds the lamentations of Bandera about the loss of "theirs" Crimea.
          1. +2
            16 May 2014 12: 46
            Quote: Silhouette
            Well there was no reason.

            the foundation appeared on June 22, 41
          2. +3
            16 May 2014 16: 09
            Silhouette
            We chopped off the Kaliningrad region as punishment for Germany, and everyone recognized this, including the Germans. Everything is quite legal and politically justified. For Kaliningraders, this is their small homeland. Point. Trying to suck out some excuses from your finger is simply not serious. Apparently you do not communicate with Kaliningraders and talk here about a subject in which you are ignorant ... completely.
            1. -4
              16 May 2014 18: 10
              Hmm yes! It would be better if Germany paid pensions to invalids of the Second World War, to the widows and children of the victims .... Although there would be some sense. But I'm not talking about that in general.
              I mean that under this act it is impossible to bring a patriotic basis, justify from the point of view of ideology and justice. Prussia will never become Russia, because it was not. She has her own story. But Crimea was always Russia, even when it was Ukrainian. And always will be.
              Here I am talking about.
              1. +4
                16 May 2014 20: 48
                Quote: Silhouette
                Prussia will never become Russia, because it was not.

                Messrs. Kaliningraders, you said there that this topic does not arise; here is an example for you to the contrary.
                I’m sorry, what people like you think, I am a citizen of Russia, I live in Russia, Kaliningrad Region, Pravdinsky District, pos. Bystryanka, you want to refute, come, I will dig in the forest near the farm
  30. +1
    16 May 2014 09: 07
    Patriotism or something, no one to do!?.
  31. +1
    16 May 2014 09: 09
    He served there, 1997-99. Even then, all the "progressive" youth of the region "zikkal" and lived in East Prussia, less than five people were not allowed to go to the ridges ...
    Recollected? No matter how late it was, but better late than never !!! soldier
    1. +2
      16 May 2014 16: 10
      SILAnov
      Since then, the situation has radically changed for the better.
  32. +5
    16 May 2014 09: 09
    I myself from Kaliningrad, I can’t say for youth, but among my friends I haven’t heard this for 30 years. and in the colloquial, if it slips, it’s not Koenigsberg at all, but simply Koenig. so in my opinion the author cheated. and the populace of names and architecture we have ugliness, and so enough in the center instead of a square stuck ugly shopping centers and called a clover, Europe, Kaliningrad passage.
    1. +2
      16 May 2014 12: 04
      Moscow "sieve" also "sounds", God forgive me not for the night be told and not lead into temptation. wassat wassat
    2. +4
      16 May 2014 12: 07
      The architecture and historical monuments of the center of Kaliningrad must be carefully protected, despite the German style. Over the past years, we have already "twisted" enough. The crown of Russia should have everything and everyone except the ugly. And the fact that poor boxes are being built in the center of this beautiful city is sad and unforgivable. No.
  33. olf_1959
    -3
    16 May 2014 09: 10
    So, we urgently need to change the leadership of the region! The conclusion is obvious.

    And not only areas. ?????
  34. +10
    16 May 2014 09: 10
    Look, your lip is rolled out. Kukish them, not Koenigsberg.

    Together with the Baron we will send to the moon. This is Russian land and no matter whose it was before.
  35. +5
    16 May 2014 09: 10
    The article is written on its own vision of the situation. After the events in Crimea, there was an article who conducted and followed on this topic, with foreigners. After the survey, we concluded that the number of people who do not want any revision of the status of Kaliningrad, on the contrary, is growing (something about 85%), compared with previous years ...
    But the fact that there is a bunch of "radishes" that want to enter the geyrope but I don't want to, of course is present. As, in principle, in any other region and republic. And you can't close your eyes by itself ...
  36. +3
    16 May 2014 09: 13
    First, it would be necessary to strengthen the historical work, to clarify what Prussia is, the essence of Prussian militarism, and in general, at least the fact that the Prussians were beaten more than once by Russian troops, so let them take all the best from the wonderful country of Germany and the wonderful country of Russia and show an example. And all sorts of "human rights activists" and "Prussophiles" should be taken care of by the appropriate department, these individuals can "suddenly" fall out of the window, get into a car accident, killed while trying to robbery, and what should I teach them or something ?
  37. +4
    16 May 2014 09: 14
    Situations how can you compare that? in Crimea there was an indigenous population.
    From Koenigsberg, the indigenous was taken out and a new one arrived already in Kaliningrad.
    If a person with a Russian surname and German views has nothing to do, then let him go to Germany to drive the Turks.
  38. Hyperboreec
    +1
    16 May 2014 09: 14
    Yes, tighten the nuts to the mayor and the governor and everything will be a bunch in Russian too.
  39. +1
    16 May 2014 09: 15
    Our leadership should pay close attention to the situation in Kaliningrad and take measures, including personnel ones.
  40. serge
    +5
    16 May 2014 09: 16
    What is good for the Russian, for the German is death. It does not at all follow from Kaliningrad’s respect for historical monuments, even German ones, that the Russians of Kaliningrad are turning into Germans. These are German dreams.
  41. +2
    16 May 2014 09: 16
    our separatists held their march, which was dominated by German flags
    All participants in this "procession" should be brought to the border (fortunately there is not far ...) and with a knee in the ass. Well, or a boot. And the provocateurs are completely legal methods, with the involvement of the tax, sanitary and epidemiological supervision, labor inspection, etc. to arrange such a life that they themselves would consider it for the good to dump to hell ...
  42. +6
    16 May 2014 09: 19
    The article, to be honest, is some kind of bullshit or a zakazukha (the 5th column has moved more actively in recent weeks). None of the Germans I know even stutters about Kaliningrad (and I communicate with many), and even about the government of the Federal Republic of Germany, you can generally keep silent, because although they are American monkeys, they are not quite complete kamikaze-debiloids. In addition, in Kaliningrad and its region 82,02% of the population are Russians (for comparison, there are 0,78% of Germans there). I read about "freedom to Koenigsberg" only once in a chat in tanks, on a European server, the writers turned out to be Ukrainians from Lviv.
  43. dik-fort
    +2
    16 May 2014 09: 20
    In 1990-91 I served in the Kaliningrad region, as many local Kaliningrad there called Koenigs, they say they went to Koenigs, well, the fact that the Germans lived there certainly catches the eye. Do not forget that already at that time there was powerful anti-Soviet propaganda and comrade Kalinin was completely discredited, but when calling cities by German names, the locals were more likely to feel some pride that they were living in a European city, that is, they are not scoops. As for the separatists, who canceled the grants? Vlasovites are being trained legally, no one is fighting this. From an economic point of view, the region is subsidized, in Soviet times, for example, about Chernyakhovsk they said "the city of rains, bl *** th and military units." Local separatists should understand that if, in theory, the Germans come, then the Russians will be deported or squeezed out unambiguously. In short, in the region it is necessary to develop the Cossacks, there are many military reserves, and if there are strong Cossack communities, then all these Vlasovites and LGBT youth will be bent into a ram's horn.
  44. +1
    16 May 2014 09: 25
    Kaliningrad - was, is and will be an original Russian city. ) No matter what the Fritz imagines.

    But in the Stavropol Territory - a real problem. The process of alienation of this land from the Russian people is ongoing. And people who are far from friendly to us settle there.
  45. 0
    16 May 2014 09: 25
    by this principle, soon Alaska must be taken, returned ....
  46. 120352
    +1
    16 May 2014 09: 27
    What kind of "Königsbershchina" is there? In its purest form, "Smerdyakovshchina"! Painfully abruptly, without thinking, "we" abandoned ideology, banning it by the Constitution. A person, a society without an idea, and therefore without a goal, are doomed. Due to the lack of more or less clearly formulated goals and ideas for development, we found ourselves disoriented and, as a result, become "lost." Here and there is a need for a "guide". But this "guide" may have predatory interests. In short, what is "Eros" for him becomes "Thanatos" for us. And we have not yet come across others.
  47. +5
    16 May 2014 09: 30
    I’ve been Kaliningrad for over 30 years = there isn’t this problem here that the author describes.
    1. 0
      16 May 2014 19: 30
      So do I. Bullshit. Samopiar !!!!!!!!
      1. 0
        16 May 2014 20: 24
        gentlemen, open your eyes.
        if you don’t see something, it doesn’t mean that it isn’t
  48. +3
    16 May 2014 09: 30
    Wherever you throw - everywhere a wedge. And this wedge is the absence of a state national ideology. Therefore, everyone pulls wherever he wants. This is how our overseas "partners" conceived our Constitution.
    1. +2
      16 May 2014 10: 39
      National policy is certainly good, but the country's regions are primarily connected by the economy (as Comrade K. Marx taught). If you do not take into account the national republics (national separatism is a separate issue), then we can say that in Russian regions separatist sentiments (independent Siberia, an independent Far East, an independent Kaliningrad region, independent Pomors, independent Cossacks, etc.) are intensified by unfavorable economic situation, regional dissatisfaction with the center, disruption of economic ties. A strong economy unites the country, strengthens interregional ties, which affects people's mindsets - separatist ideas lose their attractiveness. Kaliningrad is a special region in this respect, since it does not border the rest of Russia, which can cause certain problems, especially when the economic ties with the rest of Russia are weakened.
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  49. buser
    +4
    16 May 2014 09: 33
    the author is right on the one hand. Such things cannot be hushed up. "Sharpening water" as the Russians say. Now it remains to check the reaction of the "fifth column". And if in the near future it becomes more active in this regard, then obviously someone needs it and someone agrees to pay for it ...
    1. +4
      16 May 2014 11: 20
      Paid 100% and apparently more than once.
  50. +1
    16 May 2014 09: 34
    Perhaps the cold climate of the Russian enclave is contraindicated for some residents of Kaliningrad who advocate joining Germany. It is urgent to change their place of residence to more appropriate to their moods and views, somewhere in Kolyma or Magadan.
    1. 0
      16 May 2014 12: 16
      Quote: silver169
      It is urgent to change their place of residence to more appropriate to their moods and views, somewhere in Kolyma or Magadan.


      Welcome to sunny Magadan!
  51. +1
    16 May 2014 09: 35
    the only difference is that there is no such state as East Prussia anymore; the Poles and Latvians will not return what was given to them by Stalin
  52. +2
    16 May 2014 09: 35
    By the way, he hit the nail on the head when he stated that local politicians, in fact, do not interfere with the separatist mobilization of public opinion.

    The problem is that the principle of “non-interference” by politicians in the development of such trends is observed everywhere, with the possible exception of the Caucasus and Tatarstan. Our political “tolerance” is beginning to grow to dangerous proportions... It feels like all this was deliberately left to chance, so that normal citizens constantly feel a sense of danger emanating from different types of “nationals”, and instinctively try to get closer to the “leaders”.
  53. dzau
    +1
    16 May 2014 09: 41
    A donut hole for them, not Kemsk parish.
  54. +1
    16 May 2014 09: 41
    Hang instigators and provocateurs! There should not even be a thought about secession. Otherwise, the Western media will catch up tomorrow and inflate the elephant. They will also say that Sakhalin residents want to go to Japan.
  55. +2
    16 May 2014 09: 42
    I don't think it's "empty". Reports of an unhealthy climate in Kaliningrad society are appearing more and more often. We need to react now and harshly to any manifestations of hostility of our own citizens towards their own country. Identify the leaders of such movements and severely punish them. Stop being indifferent. Look at Ukraine, what they did to it.
  56. 0
    16 May 2014 09: 49
    To be honest, the article did not make the impression that the Germans had anything to offer..... However, we are not holding anyone by force)))))
  57. +1
    16 May 2014 09: 51
    Well, these are questions for the governor. No matter how it turned out like Zurabov’s when he was embassy in Ukraine.
  58. +3
    16 May 2014 09: 53
    article is crap.
    The subtext is obvious. Very many people in Germany want us to forget that Germany attacked our country in 1941 was directly responsible for the death of 27 by millions of Soviet citizens, mostly civilians.

    there's no such thing.

    The Germans, openly, rejoice at the gradual decline in the sense of their own national dignity among the Russian youth of Kaliningrad. Let's be honest - German enthusiasm is justified.

    pure lies.
  59. vnn2141972
    +3
    16 May 2014 09: 55
    And the necessary topic has been raised. Because, unfortunately, our Kaliningrad children practically do not know “Big” Russia. Children practically do not see the achievements of our country, and foreign things are right there. Poland and Lithuania are becoming closer and clearer to them, or something. Few people visit “Big” Russia. Where for the weekend? To Poland!!! To Lithuania!!! It's closer and easier there. Unfortunately.
  60. Alexey Prikazchikov
    0
    16 May 2014 09: 59
    Money needs to be invested in the region, that’s all. And then the Soviets turned one of the most beautiful cities in the Baltic into who knows, having built their own hubbub there and are happy to try, they have disfigured the whole region and are still surprised that separatism has suddenly begun to appear.
    1. +1
      16 May 2014 10: 28
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
      And then the scoops turned

      Who are you interestingly calling scoops? and why bother with trifles - switch to more modern “concepts” - quilted jackets, colorados... otherwise he teaches - it turns out you need to invest money... well, invest your own - what’s the problem?
  61. +3
    16 May 2014 10: 00
    Ukrainization of Kaliningrad. Nothing new. And the result is known, if you don’t take action and don’t show the Onizhechildren what happened during the unification of Germany with the GDR, what “restitution” is, when they all end up on the street.
  62. Aleksandr65
    +3
    16 May 2014 10: 12
    What kind of return of German lands? The Germans are becoming a minority in their own cities - Berlin, Dortmund, Hamburg, they would survive at home. Go, for example, to Rastadt - there are no Germans there anymore. Merkel is settling tens of thousands of Syrian, Libyan, and Egyptian refugees in German cities. They squeak slowly, but they can’t do anything, tolerance, you know...
  63. cosmonaut
    +2
    16 May 2014 10: 13
    The war for minds and souls in Ukraine has already been lost. Now there is a trend, we are losing our youth. Naked patriotism is nationalism. The spiritual bonding of our people is necessary. Our ancestors had such a glue - the Orthodox faith, so the territory of our country only grew. And now universal human European values. Everything is bursting at the seams
  64. +1
    16 May 2014 10: 19
    Who actually represents the political power in this region and why does it give permission for such gatherings and propaganda for young people? This undoubtedly needs to be looked into and all persons involved in these events must be removed from their positions for loss of trust in Russia.
  65. philip
    +1
    16 May 2014 10: 25
    I liked the article. Asking the question correctly is half the answer. Koeniksberg has never been RUSSIAN. But these are originally SLAVIC lands, however, like Gdansk “Danzig”, Berlin “Berlin”. THIS IS ALMOST TWO THOUSAND YEARS OF ISLAND AGGRESSION. Read on Wikipeg who the Ukrainians are, they are SLAVS, but
    BODRICHI, LUTICHI, POMORIAN would be very surprised if they knew that they Ukrainians This word appeared very recently. Everything is connected with the same aggression. WELL IT WASN'T THEN RUSSIA when Koeniksberg arose but THE EARTH IS OURS.
  66. +2
    16 May 2014 10: 30
    It would not be bad to move the humor festival from Jurmala to Kaliningrad. And we will press the Balts and help our own, moral and financial! hi
  67. +1
    16 May 2014 10: 31
    Stop flirting and generally pay attention to the West and America. These are enemies. But it’s absolutely necessary to keep quiet in general. Germany has always been a tool in the hands of the Anglo-Saxons and the Germans bear an unpaid debt of responsibility for the mass murder of Soviet people. All these “Frau” “Gers” must be nipped in the bud.
  68. Asan Ata
    +1
    16 May 2014 10: 44
    Everything is banal, the guys from the Kaliningrad region want a residence permit in the EU. And patriotism was trampled underfoot in 1991. I admit that intelligence services are planning a putsch in this enclave in the future, and, worst of all, the Russians will support it. Why? Children must be taught from childhood that there is nothing more valuable than the Motherland. The Russian people are very cosmopolitan, and this is also the work of the intelligence services. Change the trend, teach children patriotism.
    1. +1
      16 May 2014 12: 14
      Quote: Asan Ata
      Russians will support him

      not all
  69. +1
    16 May 2014 10: 44
    you need to act, but not stupidly and blindly, but smartly and adamantly
  70. +1
    16 May 2014 10: 45
    I registered specifically. I live in Kaliningrad, I call it Koenig, I enjoy the old views of my hometown and am not going anywhere. An article by a person who knows nothing about Kaliningrad and its people. Well, or trying to pass off white as black.
    1. Bombardier
      0
      16 May 2014 10: 57
      I wanted to hear the opinion of the residents of Kaliningrad themselves on this topic and here it is first-hand... Thank you, that’s what I thought (but at first doubts crept in).
  71. 0
    16 May 2014 10: 49
    Everything is clear and I decided to quietly squeeze out Kaliningrad, to hell with them being naive. By the way, such thoughts have been circulating there for a long time about renaming, they are launching a campaign of provocateurs.
  72. +1
    16 May 2014 11: 01
    Well, we are returning Kaliningrad to Germany, but they are rebuilding everything that they destroyed in World War II in another place where we will show it and 2 million euros for each killed!
    And then everything will be fair, but endure this is the price of Germany’s mistakes!
  73. Vinogradov Oleg
    +4
    16 May 2014 11: 04
    I also live in Kaliningrad like a777 and I also specially registered to answer.
    I don’t know from what sources the author draws information, but I have lived in Kaliningrad since 93. At the moment this problem does not exist. At the end of Yeltsin’s reign, something began to hatch, but due to economic reasons. After Putin came to power, everything came to naught. The economy is running on budget money; the investors are all Russian. Everyone who works knows from which hand they feed. There are provocateurs everywhere. By the way, note that in 2011-2012 there was not a single rally in Kaliningrad against Putin and his team. People are all patriotic and proud of the fact that they are Russian. And our children are the same patriots as in Greater Russia. And the zigging ones were until 93 - RNE. After they were crushed, they don’t even paint swastikas on houses like in St. Petersburg.
    By the way, the big problem in our region is Poland. The Germans are neither seen nor heard. But the Poles lay softly. During personal contacts, they constantly emphasize Slavic unity and the fact that we are, of course, Russian, but the more correct Russians are almost “real” Europeans (such a gentle stroking of pride) and many fall for this. They mean that we have a very positive attitude towards both Poland and the Poles and accordingly listen to their opinions. By the way, we have visa-free visits to Gdansk and other border cities. For example, on March 8, customs joyfully reported that every 4th Kaliningrad resident went to Poland for the holidays. So you can't see the real problem behind the fog. It is not the Germans but the Poles who are increasing their influence.
  74. +4
    16 May 2014 11: 08
    I repeat, Kaliningrad was called Koenig back in the Soviet Union, don’t muddy the waters. And we like the old city, the old streets, the houses. Part of the city is not like other cities in Russia, but part is similar. But this is our city, we love it that way. If someone thinks that Khrushchev buildings are beautiful, please consider them. We have no separatism!
  75. +1
    16 May 2014 11: 09
    We need to check this man with a Russian surname who heads this movement to see who he receives money from for all events and with whom he shares it
  76. +1
    16 May 2014 11: 12
    Such things cannot be overlooked and must be constantly worked on. Removal of initiators and activists, effective counter-propaganda (out of intelligence, not out of obligation). Don’t forget that they also poured 23 garbage into the brains of young people. So this cannot be left to chance. And the fifth column must be constantly kept in suspense so that they really get a taste of what “enemy of the people” means.
  77. +1
    16 May 2014 11: 19
    Quote: mirag2
    Elementary - "squeezing from a long distance," preparing the public opinion that these lands are not Russian, and who lives there, love, praise the future gentlemen from Europe ...

    I called my friends in Kaliningrad and asked. The answer was something like this: no p...y. Once again on a hovercraft to the coast and everyone will be happy in the literal sense! It’s really a long shot, an attempt to create a precedent and start action based on it. Oh, and they are so cunning. Not "OURS".
  78. +2
    16 May 2014 11: 27
    The article was made up of nothing - that's it. Everywhere there is its own “there’s a black sheep in the family.” Two - all these trends will impact business. Even if a decision is made to rename all cities and villages with authentic names, this will remain Russian territory. In the Kaliningrad region, there are too many businesses that originally came to it to be considered Russian (for example, Ford, BMW), they built their enterprises there in order to conduct business throughout Russia, and they will not simply sit idly by when issues of separation arise.
    1. Vinogradov Oleg
      +1
      16 May 2014 11: 32
      We do not have large non-Russian businesses. BMW is Avtotor - a Russian business. And he needs Kaliningrad as a Russian platform.
  79. tokin1959
    +2
    16 May 2014 11: 27
    There are no Germans in the Kaliningrad region, so the Koenigsberg problem is far-fetched.
  80. BRUSH
    +1
    16 May 2014 11: 31
    *KALININ GRAD? YES OF COURSE RUSSIA *** good
  81. +1
    16 May 2014 11: 32
    I have never been to Kaliningrad, but apparently the general trend prevails there: there is no work for young people, if there is, it is low-paid, there are no prospects, because it is more expensive to engage in private entrepreneurship, but in the police, in the army and in the “government” and so there are a lot of people, well, and so on. Where to go? Here on our forum there is one comrade from Kaliningrad, and as far as I understand, he was still touched by the fact that his fellow countrymen go to neighboring Poland for food, and the Poles, you see, are happy about this and quietly oppose EU sanctions. This is what it has come to. And this is in East Prussia, where the land itself must give birth. What else to say? If this is the fault of the 5th column, then where is the FSB? If it is the fault of the authorities, then why is it still in “power”. Where is the government program for the development of Kaliningrad and the region, so that at least they can provide themselves with food? Or is the “5th Column” something else? Or the article is a provocation. I heard that the former mayor of the capital has an interest in this territory.
    1. Vinogradov Oleg
      +1
      16 May 2014 11: 42
      I’m not being moved, but I’m describing the situation. It seems that someone wanted to hear from a resident of Kaliningrad. There is not much point in going to Poland for groceries. Low prices there are only for low-quality products. True, not everyone understands the difference between low-quality and high-quality products. And they go to Poland to relax. Our city is shabby, there is really nowhere to go, there are no normal hotels and sanatoriums on the Baltic coast. So you have to go and stand at customs. Although the potential is no worse than in Poland and Lithuania. But foreigners will not build - why do they need a competitor, and for our business the margin is too low, after cutting away budget money and the “pipe”. That there is 5-10% after one or two ends.
      1. 0
        16 May 2014 13: 33
        Oleg, I didn’t mean you. I completely agree with you. But still, you will agree that it is possible to build a physical training ground, a hockey box or a simple fitness center for young people. Sanatoriums and hotels are already part of the government and large entrepreneurs, who have handed over to “tour operators” all the rest and health improvement of citizens and their employees. The trade unions are silent - you can’t look at their “leader” without tears. There is also the “private sector” (not to be confused with the “right-wing”), and so it is precisely in the corral. I would love to stay in a private hotel for a day or two or three. But no. But this is the case everywhere in Russia. But we cannot put up with this. Ukraine looms before our eyes. It’s very easy to get on a plane and go to the West or to Israel for permanent residence. What next? What about children? How will they live? We are not the Bidens, but we are against them.
  82. BRUSH
    +1
    16 May 2014 11: 32
    *KALININ GRAD? YES OF COURSE RUSSIA *** good
  83. +1
    16 May 2014 11: 34
    Well... the "new Russophiles" are right there. Give me "Petrograd"! After all, St. Petersburg (at the same time Kronstadt) does not sound “Russian”. History, however...
    Well, as for some of the moaning here about the settlement of our territories with all sorts of “unfriendly elements” - we don’t populate them ourselves, no one, alas. I don’t list the regions..., they are already known (Moscow and the region are also on the list of spaces being developed by “elements”).
  84. +5
    16 May 2014 11: 40
    I have been living in Kaliningrad for 35 years! The article is purely custom-made. Provocative. Search for witches and kulaks among the peasants on a husky goat.
    Let's look deeper! Prussia did not originally belong to the Germans! The Prussians and Curonians (!!!) lived here - they were SLAVS!!! And these Slavs were CUT OUT by the Germans! In 1945, historical justice was accomplished - this land again became Slavic! And it will be for her until the end of her days!
    German architecture is truly beautiful! As well as classical music (Bach, Beethoven and other fellow countrymen), as well as literature and much more (including cars!!!). The fact that local residents respect architectural monuments, restore them, study the history of their native land and are proud of all this, to call separatism is a CRIME!!! and must be punished to the fullest! And before you drool in the comments, remember the historical cents of Moscow or St. Petersburg! What becomes of them, my patriotic “you”?! First of all, “you” need to be poked in there (!) with your muzzle, like cats that have crapped themselves!
    Those who are engaged in raising the cultural heritage of the region deserve all praise. They are Creators!!!
    In Kaliningrad itself there is almost nothing left of Königsberg! Essentially the city was wiped off the face of the earth. Now calling all this Königsberg is simply ridiculous) The city already has its own history, which has absorbed the entire previous history. There are many magnificent buildings in the region that have remained practically untouched, but they are in such a deplorable condition that they feel ashamed in front of the guests of our region. Poverty reigns in the overwhelming majority of settlements in the “WESTERNEST REGION OF THE RF”! Poverty!!!
    The population of the region is practically no different from other residents of the Russian Federation, they are busy SURVIVING!!! Survival in the conditions of “good” neighbors around the entire perimeter! Nobody is going to separate here!!! Such ideas are complete nonsense, which the majority of residents have never even heard of! There is a crowd of “glamorous-creative-stupid” monkeys here, playing at their self-invented Europeanness (they can be seen on local TV - a real circus!), but this is such an insignificant percentage of the population that they can cause the same feeling among “jingo-patriots”. anxiety, like the baboons in our zoo))
    And now about the Germans! The people there (Germans in Germany), for the most part, have never heard of Königsberg laughing and especially about Kaliningrad. It’s extremely difficult for them to explain where it is! They have their own problems!
    Therefore, reading such articles, you are left with the feeling that someone nearby is quietly shitting... a very obvious feeling ((
    All good!
    1. tverskoi77
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      16 May 2014 12: 11
      Definitely + for you
  85. -2
    16 May 2014 11: 40
    What a correct article. Very timely. Yes, it’s difficult for dad Vova to cover all the issues if “Serdyukov’s” lawlessness flourished right under his nose, when will a closer look fall on Kaliningrad?
  86. tverskoi77
    +1
    16 May 2014 11: 44
    Yes, Kaliningrad is simply a beautiful, cozy and comfortable city to live in. Therefore, local residents, and not only, love him and do not hide where the roots of these reasons come from. And for example, Moscow was completely fucked up: everything was built in unimaginable concrete without road and social infrastructure. There are traffic jams, chocks and shopping centers all around. Kaliningraders simply do not need such a culture of development in Moscow; they take the example of the Germans and, of course, improve their morphology.
  87. philip
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    16 May 2014 11: 45
    I liked the article. Asking the question correctly is half the answer. Koeniksberg has never been RUSSIAN. But these are originally SLAVIC lands, however, like Gdansk “Danzig”, Berlin “Berlin”. THIS IS ALMOST TWO THOUSAND YEARS OF ISLAND AGGRESSION. Read on Wikipeg who the Ukrainians are, they are SLAVS, but
    BODRICHI, LYUTICHI, POMORIANS would be very surprised if they found out that they were Ukrainians. This word appeared very recently. Everything is connected with the same aggression. WELL, THERE WAS NO RUSSIA THEN when Köniksberg arose, but THE EARTH IS ours
  88. 0
    16 May 2014 11: 45
    Quote: tokin1959
    There are no Germans in the Kaliningrad region, so the Koenigsberg problem is far-fetched.

    So far far-fetched! Don’t forget in this world there is such a very “friendly” country for us as the USA, they will stir up some kind of nasty thing against us, this is the first thing! And they are quite capable of condoning and helping all sorts of Renaissance fascist movements in Germany. Yes, and muddy the waters in Kaliningrad itself if they don’t refuse. What can we say if in Ukraine in twenty years they managed to force gallop a significant part of the country's population! The country that defeated the brown plague of fascism in 1945! And the work was carried out colossally and purposefully.
    It’s good that Poland divides us, but it’s still necessary to keep your ears open, Europe today is not only turns blue и turns pink but also turns brown before our eyes. And it's very dangerous
  89. +2
    16 May 2014 12: 04
    Believe me, the problem that the author highlighted in his article exists. Maybe he did not highlight it so acutely and convincingly, but it exists. There is no hand of the government of Germany or Poland yet, at least clearly. Here, rather, the hand of the local authorities, their clumsy actions, corruption - remember Mr. Boss for example. Or that residents of the Kaliningrad region do not go to Poland and Lithuania for goods that are better there and even a little cheaper? It is from such little things, so to speak from a beautiful and attractive wrapper. it all begins. The result is obvious - a certain part of the population and young people, first of all, began to look towards the EU countries - Germany, Poland. There is no need to say or write that we have no problems or any specific problem, this drives the problem away underground, so to speak, and then when the problem spills out into society, everyone is surprised, who did it and where the authorities were looking, where our authorities are looking, we all know very well. So we need to talk about problems, evaluate them, propose solutions and somehow influence the situation, then we, the society, the country, will become better, stronger and, if you like, more beautiful.
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  91. +1
    16 May 2014 12: 21
    It’s so good that we all understand this, we should tell the children! That Russia is the most beloved and dearest, and that there is no country like Russia! sad
  92. 0
    16 May 2014 12: 37
    “I want to want to, because in the Russian Federation they are celebrating the victory over fascism, better than any propaganda.” - they noted and forgot, and the “fifth column” works without interruption. So there is an opportunity to step on the rake of Ukraine
  93. 0
    16 May 2014 12: 47
    The Germans are more likely to flee to be resettled in the Russian Kalingrad region than the region becomes German and seek salvation from Muslims. Although we do not pay attention to this, in Arab countries there are fewer and fewer Christians, and Europe is being populated by Muslims. Our Moscow is considered the capital of Muslims in the world, three million are officially registered, another three million are unregistered guest workers.
  94. 0
    16 May 2014 12: 53
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    you will be surprised but almost all the peoples of Europe fought against us
    In young age
    I had to communicate (there were many more of them then) with war veterans... I had the opportunity to work with many, none of them are alive anymore... So they told me that the most evil occupiers were not the Germans but the “non-Germans” Romanians , Hungarians, the notorious “Galychina” of Bandera. Despite the fact that they were the worst soldiers.
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  96. 0
    16 May 2014 13: 26
    By wishful thinking, the revanchists inadvertently betrayed the leaders of the fifth column, and you will understand what to do with them by looking at Ukraine and neighboring Latvia, where only non-recognition of the “Soviet occupation” is punishable by a real sentence. Now it’s time for us to send these Germanophiles and other scum to explore the riches of Siberia (without the right to return to Kaliningrad)!
  97. +1
    16 May 2014 13: 26
    The article is complete nonsense.
  98. Kotman
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    16 May 2014 13: 58
    Quote: Good cat
    "I am a native of Kaliningrad, the daughter of an officer, just believe me, not everything is so simple here" - is this not the case?


    Good health to all!
    Well, almost as the Good Cat writes. :-) I am the son of a military musician, withdrawn as part of his regiment in 1991 from the city of Mlada Boleslav (Czechoslovakia Central Military District) to the place of previous deployment in Chernyakhovsk, Kaliningrad region.
    Yes, 91 is not the heyday of the USSR at all. and especially not Czechoslovakia (then already Czechoslovakia). This was poverty in East Prussia. And it was even more interesting to learn about the new place of residence by comparing it with all of my father’s previous places of service.
    Let's put aside all our "Great Russian chauvinism" and not dig into the depths of centuries. Let's look at the period from 1946, when the Decree on the creation of the Koenigsberg region was issued.
    What did we get? In its pure form, we had the land, the houses, the people who lived there and the infrastructure that these people created before ’46. When creating the Soviet way of life and means of production (factories, agriculture, etc.), we did not use at all what we inherited from the Germans. Moreover, we destroyed what was created without caring at all about the consequences. For example, you can still find tiled gutters of drainage systems in the fields that we did not bother to repair or lay new ones. The result is a lot of wetlands. The hydrodrome near Baltiysk has been plundered for God knows when, and I haven’t seen a single photograph of planes with red stars on it. Our military units are based in German barracks, but this did not prevent the territory of the disbanded 210 SMEs from being razed from the face of the earth, although everything there survived the war, the USSR and died under Russia. The royal castle stood until 1972 in the center of Kaliningrad and was then reduced to powder by titanic efforts. In its place stands a building that will never be put into operation (but it can’t, for technical reasons - it’s sagging). All resort towns in the north present a sad sight, especially Zelenogradsk. I'm glad for Svetlogorsk - they couldn't kill it like so many others.
    I can talk for a long time about our carelessness in that piece that was East Prussia. But why is Kaliningrad called Königsberg (König) there? But because the spirit of the city has not yet evaporated. The city was built and developed by people for people. There was architecture, the lack of resources forced us to look for elegant engineering solutions, paving stones still lie in some places to this day.
    What now? We do not know how to build in a European way, valuing every centimeter of free space. We build broadly, in Russian. There isn't enough space - we'll demolish it. And don’t care - it’s German, what a pity... They’re building a new one, with an ugly imitation of Western architecture.
    The region, rich in history, has not flourished with museums of its history, just as it has not flourished with museums of the military glory of our troops. It’s good that there are at least current ones. If it were up to me, I would definitely bring all the children who study in our country to us, so that they can see at what cost life was given during the war years. To remember and never forget.
  99. Kotman
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    16 May 2014 13: 58
    Everyone I talked to about East Prussia has no hatred for the Germans, no hatred for the land that we inherited. There is anger at the fact that we don’t value what we got, that we are still ruining it, citing old age, inefficiency, a whole bunch of other reasons. No matter how they tried to make Königsberg Kaliningrad, they failed. There are too many Koenigsbergs in Kaliningrad. So the Royal Gate was restored for the 750th anniversary of König and made it a symbol...
    Moscow is Red Square, the Bolshoi Theater, Stalinist skyscrapers, the metro and a city in the trees, and not Moscow City, the Third Transport Ring, the Moscow Ring Road and eternal construction sites. Imagine that you decided to demolish Moscow State University because it would be convenient to build a highway there...
    Sorry for being chaotic, “galloping across Europe” - after all, “one cannot grasp the immensity” in such a matter. After all, the Russians don’t like the fact that they demolish monuments to Soviet soldiers in Europe, and in the Kaliningrad region, the Russians don’t like the fact that they are destroying the history that the residents of the territory inherited. Fascism is not the whole history of Germany. Moreover, East Prussia was once part of the Russian Empire, and Immanuel Kant was a Russian subject.
    PS: And the statement of the Russian Orthodox Church that all religious buildings in the region belong to it does not go anywhere at all... In my city, the Germans had 3 churches: Reformed, Catholic and Lutheran. EMNIP Lutheran burned down (there was a warehouse for some products during the USSR), Catholic services are held in the Catholic one, and the Reformed one was converted into Orthodox. I don’t know how the canons of the Russian Orthodox Church are combined with the canons of the reformist one, but the buildings are apparently interchangeable.
    1. 0
      16 May 2014 14: 24
      Quote: Kotman
      East Prussia was once part of the Russian Empire

      1758 to 1762 year.
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