E.Holmogorov: “The conversation with the invaders should be short”

E.Holmogorov: “The conversation with the invaders should be short”Until the troops are withdrawn, the dialogue with the Kiev junta should be limited only to the exchange of prisoners

Imagine a picture. In the same room are the torturer, the victim and the judge, the purpose of the meeting - the reconciliation of the parties. At the same time, both the judge and the torturer knowingly assume that the victim agrees in principle with this approach of the question, the whole point is only in the details. And the victim, meanwhile, needs only one thing - for the judge to use the power and write out a ticket for the criminal on the criminal.

This is just about the current tragicomic triangle with the participation of "unofficially-official" Kiev, the Southeast and the collective West, which, of course, is fighting for world peace and cannot calmly look at the blood of innocent people shed east of Kiev. It reacts, however, in a peculiar way - it strengthens sanctions against Russian officials and for some reason does not touch Kiev officials, although it would be very logical to do this after the “Odessa Khatyn”, which is very difficult to blame on Russia, although the Ukrainian agitprop is trying very hard to do it.

Should we expect any progress from the new European peacekeeping movement, which delegated diplomat Wolfgang Ischinger to Kiev as an OSCE mediator in Ukraine? This is probably a rhetorical question, since the terms of negotiations expressed by the leaders of Donbass (to stop the ATO and recognize the status quo at last) are completely ignored by Kiev, and Brussels somehow does not insist on respecting the nation’s right to self-determination. So, there will be a lot of talk, fascinating, interesting ... but again everything is not about that, in the process of fearing the "shabby" Russians with every imaginable and unthinkable punishment. Probably, they are so calmer.

And does it make any sense to pay attention to this immense political vulgarity? ..

Well-known political scientist and publicist, editor-in-chief of the Internet publications Russian Observer and Novye Chronicles, Yegor Kholmogorov, noted the futility of current Western attempts to organize a “peaceful dialogue” between Kiev and the Donbas:

- The method of dialogue that the junta chose for the Southeast is well known enough: attacks on civilians and cruel reprisals. Accordingly, no real dialogue is possible until the cessation of these punitive attacks, until such time as the Kiev troops are withdrawn at least from the territories of the self-determined Donetsk and Lugansk republics.

Until that happens, there’s nothing to talk about with them. The conversation with the invaders should now be short: withdraw your troops from the territories of the republics that were self-determined as a result of the referendum - we continue to talk further. In the meantime, the junta not only does not intend to do this, but also declares directly through its leaders that it does not intend to stop its “anti-terrorist operation”. So, meanwhile, it makes sense to limit all negotiations to the subject of the exchange of prisoners.

But the problem is also in the fact that so far a sane political subject, with whom it would be possible to carry on a dialogue, does not exist in Kiev, and so far there are no signs that he will appear.

By the way, I would not say that the West is taking such active steps to compel Kiev to dialogue. If Washington and Brussels really had such a desire, they would have forced Kiev to talk to Moscow long ago. They just want to somehow imitate some kind of activity, show their indifference to the affairs of Ukraine ... but, in fact, what can we talk about here, if no one can guarantee that events like Mariupol and Odessa will not happen again ? If the possibility of repeating all this is technically excluded, then all these aspirations of the West will have at least some meaning.

- Perhaps such activity is dictated including the upcoming elections of 25 in May? How likely is it that in the end we recognize their results?

- Honestly, I am genuinely surprised when some of our statesmen, like State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin, talk about the possibility of recognizing the election of the 25 number. In my opinion, this option should be absolutely excluded, since it is all the more important now for us to remain firm before launching the constitutional process in Ukraine and insist that legitimate elections are possible only under the conditions of a working Constitution.

And, roughly speaking, elected President 25 May Russia should recognize the maximum only as a temporary technical president for the transitional period if he himself declares and organizes work on the creation of a new Constitution and - after its adoption - organizing legitimate presidential elections. But Mr. Poroshenko - the man who is currently the favorite of the upcoming "elections" - clearly will not agree to be temporary: he clearly plans to pretend to be the president of Ukraine over the next four years.
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  1. +10
    16 May 2014 18: 32
    The thing is ...
  2. +5
    16 May 2014 18: 35
    The occupiers are driven to the very happy, and when the banner of victory is hoisted over the parliament, we will consider the trial of the junta, the case is closed ...
    1. +3
      16 May 2014 18: 40
      Nazis need to be driven to phasington! there and leave who will survive!
    2. +20
      16 May 2014 18: 44
      Here is the most important thing ..!
      1. 0
        16 May 2014 22: 14
        Would rephrase a little "next time shoots at YOURSELF"
  3. +12
    16 May 2014 18: 37
    In Kiev - all. Sooner or later, they will all be judged. You can spare only those who will hand over accomplices in Odessa. In all details, down to the performers. And then: then punish them.
    The inevitability of punishment is a guarantee of non-repetition of crimes ...
  4. +7
    16 May 2014 18: 42
    The means of dialogue with ghouls is known - aspen stake. I like too? Their problems...
    But a ghoul from Fashington or from Kiev ... The offender does not have a nationality and the Motherland, and dialogue with them is possible ONLY WITH THE USE OF A COLA !!!
  5. +18
    16 May 2014 18: 44
    With the invaders, the conversation should be short now
    1. +5
      16 May 2014 18: 47
      Quote: pvv113
      the conversation should be short now
      there should be a nickname, an egg, Timashenko, Avakov, and then on the list.
    2. 0
      16 May 2014 21: 26
      Ukrainians need not choose a president, but find a kind of ukroStalin!
      Or a divorce by disagreement ...
  6. Ivan 63
    16 May 2014 18: 47
    Yes, tired of going from "empty to empty", you should not expect anything from the West but hypocrisy and idle talk, and therefore you should not look back at the impudent but do what needs to be done for the good of Russia, but at the moment recognize Novorossia and in every possible way rot the Kiev junta.
    1. +5
      16 May 2014 18: 56
      I fully support !!!
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  7. +9
    16 May 2014 18: 58
    Brains begin to air ... (it's only too late already) ..
  8. +4
    16 May 2014 19: 04
    THESE non-humans understand only the language of power; otherwise nothing can be changed.
  9. 0
    16 May 2014 19: 08
    Quote-And the victim, meanwhile, needs only one thing - so that the judge uses the power and writes out the ticket to the criminal.
    In the toilet or something planted, in the same apartment ??? What nonsense. They don’t have Kolyma a priori.
  10. +5
    16 May 2014 19: 10
    Simply put - "do what you want, we are after you"! What, in fact, was to be expected! It is naive to think that the West will "suddenly" "acquire" good features and, together with Moscow, will "put pressure" on Kiev for the sake of negotiations with the South-East! Even under the skin of a meek sheep, a wolf will always remain a wolf!
  11. +3
    16 May 2014 19: 36
    It seems to me that the Naryshkin saying is nothing more than tactics. Like, we'll see how everything goes and then we will finally form our position. Our balance and objectivity is positioned. This gives us room for maneuver that would not be possible in the event of unequivocal non-recognition. Of course, these elections will be foul and operetta with the legalization of the junta, we should not recognize.
  12. +1
    16 May 2014 19: 40
    by holding a gun to the head of the junta, negotiations can begin
  13. +1
    16 May 2014 19: 44
    The ice has already broken, gentlemen ... There is no turning back. The result is a foregone conclusion. They are still bouncing with their feet, but the loop on the junta’s neck is getting tighter and tighter!
  14. +2
    16 May 2014 20: 01
    Mr. Poroshenko - the man who is currently the favorite of the upcoming “elections” - clearly does not agree to be temporary: he clearly plans to pose as the president of Ukraine over the next four years.
    Will Ukraine have these 4 years? In the light of the speed and inevitability of the development of the latest events of the collapse of the country, somehow great doubts are taken on this subject.
  15. +4
    16 May 2014 20: 10
    The Kalashnikov assault rifle and no one else should negotiate with the killers and invaders, no negotiations with the killers, under any circumstances.
  16. +2
    16 May 2014 20: 25
    Quote: Ivan 63
    Yes, tired of going from "empty to empty", you should not expect anything from the West but hypocrisy and idle talk, and therefore you should not look back at the impudent but do what needs to be done for the good of Russia, but at the moment recognize Novorossia and in every possible way rot the Kiev junta.

    Here, I will simply quote and say that I subscribe to these words.
  17. +1
    16 May 2014 20: 34
    with the occupiers of the conversation there should not be any and never - a bullet, a knife, an ax, a rope - everything will do for the occupier. occupiers must mercilessly be destroyed and nothing else
  18. +5
    16 May 2014 20: 36
    Talk with the Nazis is not worth it-they must be destroyed !!!
  19. +1
    16 May 2014 20: 36
    political expert Valentin Zharonkin:
    “The government in Kiev fundamentally does not want to understand that sooner or later it will still have to sit down at the negotiating table with those whom they call separatists. In March it was necessary to agree on the status of the Russian language, in April - on federalization and recognition of the people's governors of Donbass. On May 11, we can only talk about a ceasefire. Donbass is no longer Ukraine. The sooner Kiev understands this, the better. There will be fewer victims. "
    Comments, as they say, are unnecessary. From 11.05.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX we are talking about an interstate dialogue.
  20. waisson
    16 May 2014 21: 04
    ------------------------ soldier
  21. ren1999
    16 May 2014 21: 32
    If Washington and Brussels really had such an aspiration, they would have long ago forced Kiev to talk with Moscow.

    Yes, with the Turchinov-Yatsenyuk and others, who in Moscow will talk? About what? Only on status issues no higher than the ministerial ...
    Another thing to put at a round table Kiev and Lugansk-Donetsk. But this is not yet possible.
  22. Gloria45
    16 May 2014 21: 33
    Akhmetov betrayed people and the Donbass! 15 05 2014
  23. +1
    16 May 2014 21: 41
    ... "Odessa Khatyn", which is very difficult to blame on Russia,
    It’s not Russia that ghouls were blamed on the brutally tortured people themselves, but the West tacitly agreed. No one but Russia cares about the dead, even most of the inhabitants of Odessa.
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  25. +2
    16 May 2014 22: 55
    The government of the "Donetsk people's republic" has invited the Ukrainian billionaire Rinat Akhmetov to pay taxes to the budget of the new state formation. The SCM group of companies of Ukrainian billionaire Rinat Akhmetov does not intend to pay taxes to the budget of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic. The representative of the Donetsk People's Republic warned the billionaire that in case of non-payment "he will not be in Donbass." Today, donations from Donetsk enterprises are used to finance bandit formations that attack Slavyansk, Mariupol and small towns of Donbass.
    In my opinion, in the near future, enterprises will find a new owner and property will be nationalized. You can sell everything, at a lower price they will sell it. For retirement, salaries and tax deductions will be enough. It will be possible to turn to Russia for energy and the creation of joint pools, similar to grain.
  26. 0
    18 May 2014 12: 52
    Will the Donbass be able to "hurry up" in order to hold the capital of Renatka for the benefit of Donbass? - It's better if with Renatka himself ...

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