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Kiev talker, or Well, where we do not

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The round table in Ukraine, according to the statements of its organizers, is an attempt to find a peaceful way out of the Eastern crisis. May 14 Kiev at the negotiating table gathered Kiev "temporary worker" and their supporters from the regions of the independent. "Separatists" refused to participate in the event. According to others, they were not invited. In recent weeks, the press has been filled with propaganda, and it has become not just difficult to grasp the truth, but already impossible. Truth-fish in the muddy lake is not found.


Kiev talker, or Well, where we do not


If they were not invited, then it looks like something stupid: Kiev, it turns out, actually abandoned the breakaway regions. Or hopes to unleash a real civil war and win it. What, with the support of NATO soldiers? Or UN peacekeepers? However, between the first and second difference is almost gone.

If the southeastern leaders refused, such a position does not seem politically convincing - especially since Moscow called the Southeast for the “round table”. No wonder the OSCE representative recalled that Vladimir Putin supported the idea of ​​a “road map”. On the other hand, the “separatists” no longer consider their regions a part of Ukraine, and therefore the refusal looks logical. That is, the idea of ​​federalization after two referendums has already been buried.

The round table talks were led by German diplomat Wolfgang Ischinger, the OSCE representative. The event was attended by former presidents of Ukraine Kuchma and Kravchuk (for some time they were inseparable - apparently, they are linked by democratic aspirations), presidential candidates, the American ambassador Jeffrey Payette and other people concerned about a bright future independent. Yushchenko was not invited to the “table” (they say he was very offended).

As the correspondent "Vesti" Oleksandr Balitsky, the Kiev regime charged the Donbass with the appointed governor and oligarch Sergei Taruta.

However, Elena Bondarenko, deputy of the Verkhovna Rada from the “Party of Regions”, said that if there are no representatives from the South-East at the meeting, then there is no one to hold the dialogue. And she added that it is impossible to conduct a military operation against his people.

Yatsenyuk made magic spells: constitutional reform, decentralization of power, the fight against corruption, economic and humanitarian policy. It's all. It became clear that the “counterterrorist operation” would continue.

Ukrainian site "Controversy" writes about the round table the following:

“... not only“ separatists ”, but even quite legitimate representatives of local self-government represented by, for example, members of the Lugansk Regional Council, were not invited to the current gathering of peacekeeping authorities. Despite the fact that Arseny Petrovich himself named representatives of the local political elite among those with whom he is ready to negotiate. If only they were civilized according to Yatsenyuk. Well, Arseny Petrovich famous capricious - gave the word, took the word. Why call the elected barbarians from the East to the feast - I suppose, and without them there is someone to decide their fate.

However, local deputies can be comforted by the fact that there was no corner at the round table not only for them - they did not call the third president of Ukraine. Yushchenko is offended, he did not fail to inform civilized mankind through the mouth of a specially trained person, Irina Vannikova. A spokesman for Viktor Andreich revealed the insignificant intention of the round table producers: “The initiators put their personal political interests and settling accounts above the interest of saving the country, and it looks like the politicians are not ready to hear the truth and reasoned estimates of their miscalculations.”


Oh, another terrific statement. Drawn another savior of Ukraine - Yushchenko. Didn't he try himself already in this role?

Statements were also made to Mr. Yushchenko against the current rulers that they supposedly lost the Crimea. Nyura from “Controversy” remarks: is it not with him that Ukraine lost hundreds of kilometers of the oil-bearing shelf at about. Snake?

Analyst El Murid считает The “round table of national unity” held by the “junta”, an event “absolutely useless”. According to him, "the train has already left." That is, time is lost.

“It is obvious that Kiev does not even attempt to understand what is happening. Why, two months after the shooting on Institutskaya from Kiev, as from a leper, three regions of Nezalezhnaya have already fled. Punitive operation continues, people die. In such circumstances, it is meaningless to talk about the state system - people are primarily interested in security, and only then - how to live in a bright and happy future. ”


According to El-Murid, no decisions can be made at the round table. The only thing the junta is doing is searching for enemies. Here, of course, Russians (the “neighboring state”) turn upside down.

“... The infantilism of the undead, from whom others are to blame, but not only him, can be attributed to all sorts of hormonal changes in consciousness — it is inadequate what to take from it. But when entire groups of the population behave in the same way, the question of the mental health of an entire nation can no longer be put.

While the "Round Table" is rolling in the same direction. Groped agreement on the issue - who is the enemy. Who is guilty. Who needs to be liquidated to make life more fun. It is necessary to understand that a positive solution to the problem is still impossible in principle - if only because it is not looking for where it is located. ”




The results of the "table" summed up "First channel". Some curious details came to light. For example, about the performance of Klitschko.

“People from the east must be present - reputable. Those delegated by residents of the eastern regions - Lugansk, Donetsk. To whom there is trust. Who can represent their interests, ”he said.

According to Yatsenyuk, the Cabinet must go on a tour of the south-eastern regions and organize round tables there. It was then that the role of Kuchma and Kravchuk became clearer: the interim government appointed them "moderators" of the south-eastern tables.

What do representatives of the Donetsk People's Republic think about the negotiations?

“No negotiations are possible at the time when there is an armed shelling of Slavyansk, a punitive operation in Krasnoarmeysk, shootings of the police, which did not want to shoot civilians in Mariupol. That is, what negotiating table can we talk about in this case? Of course, this is a hypocrisy of the highest standard, ”said Miroslav Rudenko, co-chairman of the DPR government.

Wolfgang Ischinger did not say anything concrete. “I want to say that you can count on me and on my team. I am here to help you, to cooperate with the two co-chairs, to bring this wonderful country to Europe, and to ensure a prosperous future for it ”, - these are his words, quoted by“ First Channel ”.

To this we can add that the peoples of the former USSR have long been consuming tales about a bright future, never ceasing to believe in their plots. This faith is akin to religious. It is only necessary to go through a difficult moment - and here it is, the future.

The USSR collapsed in the 1991 year, but the tales have survived. Only now the “beautiful far” is promised not by the Soviet communist rulers, but by the representatives of the western capitalist paradise. And many Ukrainians believe that a step to Europe will automatically give them happiness.

But only well where we are not.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. My address
    My address 15 May 2014 10: 17
    +41
    Roof tiles rustling slowly.

    The impression that Yaytsenyuk with others fool no longer know what to come up with. Hope only on 3,14ndostan. And in that front row unfinished psaki. wassat
    Madhouse. One pleases - the roof was demolished in 3,14ndostan. Just to see who Babama and her brothers chose as helpers. De beat on de generat.
    1. Alexey N
      Alexey N 15 May 2014 10: 19
      +25
      Common sense has long emigrated from the Outskirts. I hope to go to Russia.
      1. Hans51
        Hans51 15 May 2014 10: 22
        +38
        And many Ukrainians believe that a move to Europe will automatically give them happiness.
        Well stoned! And this is the main Eurointegrast ...
        1. Cormorants
          Cormorants 15 May 2014 10: 34
          +9
          Bugaga. cool photo +
          1. Irkit
            Irkit 15 May 2014 13: 53
            +48
            Some more good music from the south-east of Ukraine
            1. axpert2008
              axpert2008 15 May 2014 14: 35
              +18
              Great text! It is seen that from the heart. I shake a hand to this MASKAL!
            2. Akvadra
              Akvadra 15 May 2014 15: 41
              +1
              in our time, as an honorary title. And he also smiled: "Executive power" (from the phrase lead
              in execution).
            3. ordinary
              ordinary 15 May 2014 19: 51
              +4
              Glorious lad! The song is immediately visible from the heart! May God bless him and his comrades with you
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        3. zgd_se_1955
          zgd_se_1955 15 May 2014 10: 37
          +7
          And this one with the broken brains of Vital, where is he going?
          1. Canep
            Canep 15 May 2014 10: 57
            +33
            Only one side participated in the negotiations, the second was not invited (or they did not want to come), but the negotiations were successful! fool wassat
            1. from punk
              from punk 15 May 2014 11: 07
              +8
              Quote: Canep
              Only one side participated in the negotiations, the second was not invited (or they did not want to come), but the negotiations were successful!

              cadmin will go on a tour of the southeast smile Kravchuk and Kuchma moderators of the round table laughing a meeting of moderators, black marks. what farce bravo junta for the next pearl
              1. kotvov
                kotvov 15 May 2014 19: 34
                +2
                and what do you want from them, who is the teacher? Those who do not give such a briefing give out such pearls, what do you think, did they dissolve the madhouse?
            2. Rus2012
              Rus2012 15 May 2014 12: 06
              +2
              Quote: Canep
              but the negotiations were successful!

              this applies to a person - a monologue with itself ... or a split.
              What is in full swing and is being observed ...
            3. Predator
              Predator 15 May 2014 15: 35
              +2
              Come on! Well, the insane have gathered for the procedures, get a couple of little hints so that the orderlies do not run after them individually! stop
            4. daemon
              daemon 15 May 2014 20: 47
              +12
              the outcome of the negotiations is not difficult to imagine ...
            5. Revolver
              Revolver 15 May 2014 21: 40
              +4
              Quote: Canep
              Only one side participated in the negotiations, the second was not invited (or they did not want to come), but the negotiations were successful!

              the role of Kuchma and Kravchuk: the interim government appointed them “moderators” of the southeastern tables.

              Yeltsin and Shushkevich managed to die, but Kravchuk can and must answer for the Belovezhsky agreement. So let him go to the southeast to "moderate", I hope they will arrange "moderation" there.

              PS For the mods of this site, the foregoing has no relation
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 15 May 2014 21: 43
                +2
                Quote: Nagan
                So let him go to the southeast to "moderate", I hope they will arrange "moderation" there.

                PS For the mods of this site, the foregoing has no relation


                and so it is clear that it does not laughing
            6. Suhow
              Suhow 16 May 2014 00: 48
              +2
              They talked to themselves and parted. We set up blockposts near Kiev, if it’s understandable for protection from the fool, because a normally trained individual will bypass them, but about the specialists, I generally keep quiet ...
        4. Muadipus
          Muadipus 15 May 2014 10: 58
          +19


          Pendosy are too predictable, their methods have been unchanged for centuries, unlike Putin. This is how to play a strategic game with a computer, when you understand the algorithm of actions of a virtual opponent, then it becomes not interesting.

          Threat. funny, but we really are opposing an entire western car today to one single person, albeit with a good team.
        5. subbtin.725
          subbtin.725 15 May 2014 11: 36
          +5
          Quote: Hans51
          Well stoned!

          Euro-maid and euro-punctured.
        6. Petergut
          Petergut 15 May 2014 12: 32
          +16
          Quote: Hans51
          ...
          And this is the main Eurointegrast ...


          In addition, he is also a master of elegant literature. laughing



          Translation: If today we pretend that nothing is happening, if we swallow the so-called Crimea and continue to, ahhh, proudly make attention that nothing is happening, there may be further actions for not only Ukraine. There is a clear understanding of this situation and we have what it was, we talked about it. Today's situation, which is and needs to be looked at, what we can do, what way out of this situation. I spoke with representatives of international organizations, I’m sure that an international one is needed ... I’m sure that we can return aaaaa to Crimea after a certain period of time, when Russian authoritarianism will no longer act.
          1. Stanislas
            Stanislas 15 May 2014 13: 09
            +5
            Quote: Petergut
            I spoke with representatives of international organizations
            It would be interesting to look at the Germans at the moment when he would tell them the same thing in German, or at the English, if in English ...
          2. OTTO
            OTTO 15 May 2014 16: 03
            +8
            I wanted to comment on Klitschko's "speech" ... but commenting on it would only spoil it ...
          3. The point
            The point 15 May 2014 16: 22
            +12
            and why not on mov? maybe it would be better. I do not understand anything. request, except for one - blows to the head do not pass without a trace.
            1. vladstro
              vladstro 15 May 2014 18: 11
              +4
              Yes, he didn’t understand anything myself, he swelled his cheeks, puffed up, but before you say something, you need to think about it, but there are problems with this, the brains have long been smeared on the inside of the skull. He will be happy to be hired by the State Department, they’re only gaining such people, let them go there, then I’m the leader of the party. I would listen to our Zhirinovsky, he has an answer to any question immediately, and he doesn’t say aaaaa, beeeee, meeee before the answer. Learn Klitschko, although they say if there are no brains, you can’t insert others.
            2. Petergut
              Petergut 15 May 2014 19: 05
              +5
              Quote: Maksud
              ...
              I do not understand anything. request
              ...


              Not only you, my friend Maksud, did not understand the deep and hidden meaning of the Vitalkin speech, not only you ... Everyone forges ...

              Even ukrov, who sit in the studio through the eyes read: F * ck, well, what does he carry ?! WHAT DOES IT HE CARRY? !!! VITALKA, YOU UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND, WITH * TsU * KO THAT THERE WE ARE NECESSARY TO COMMENT THIS Nonsense !!!!!!!!!!!
              In Savik Shustry, mimic convulsions ran across the face in general ...

              As the saying goes:
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 15 May 2014 21: 24
                +3
                Quote: Petergut
                As the saying goes:

                Oh, you are our Ukrainian Cicero ........
                1. Suhow
                  Suhow 16 May 2014 00: 51
                  +1
                  Ciceronous !!! BUT Azarov has not yet been recycled.
          4. geo185
            geo185 15 May 2014 19: 17
            +1
            But there is a translation of the translation, otherwise the brain does not perceive. request
          5. Horse
            Horse 15 May 2014 19: 18
            +2
            The best orators of antiquity would simply envy such a brilliant and, most importantly, absolutely understandable speech by the leader of the Udar party, the name of the party to the campaign reflects an event with Klitschko or with his brains (if they are of course present, which I doubt) that influenced his great oratorical abilities
          6. kotvov
            kotvov 15 May 2014 19: 37
            +1
            cicero pancake. impression that he has a brain trip.
          7. natakor1949
            natakor1949 15 May 2014 19: 44
            +2
            And my nickname's speech reminded me of Golokhvostov's monologue from the movie "Following Two Hares": "A learned man and his mind is not for dancing, and when such a person rises behind the clouds and looks down at people from there and they seem to him as tiny as rats , because it's a man! because why, it's very, very much. " The future leader of this long-suffering country has the same set of pearls.
          8. natakor1949
            natakor1949 15 May 2014 19: 44
            +2
            And my nickname's speech reminded me of Golokhvostov's monologue from the movie "Following Two Hares": "A learned man and his mind is not for dancing, and when such a person rises behind the clouds and looks down at people from there and they seem to him as tiny as rats , because it's a man! because why, it's very, very much. " The future leader of this long-suffering country has the same set of pearls.
          9. fpgg1963
            fpgg1963 17 May 2014 22: 24
            0
            He didn’t understand what it was about ????? wassat
        7. avg
          avg 15 May 2014 15: 27
          +3
          I am here to help you, to collaborate with the two co-chairs, to bring this wonderful country to Europe, and to provide it with a prosperous future

          "I'll kiss you. Later. If you want." love
        8. OTTO
          OTTO 15 May 2014 15: 43
          +2
          Quote: Hans51
          And many Ukrainians believe that a move to Europe will automatically give them happiness.

          And complete Conchita
        9. daemon
          daemon 15 May 2014 20: 52
          +4
          esche one throw from the same opera;))
      2. Little Muck
        Little Muck 15 May 2014 10: 23
        +7
        Quote: Alexey N
        Common sense emigrated from the Outskirts. I hope to go to Russia.

        And there is. Here in the Crimea there are none, and it’s good there. drinks
        Now it remains to do the same in the remaining territory, and then they will be fine. am
        1. Hans51
          Hans51 15 May 2014 10: 35
          +26
          Advice to you, yes love, gay men, damn it!
          1. daemon
            daemon 15 May 2014 20: 56
            +6
            Yes, they will only be officially registered ...
      3. maks-101
        maks-101 15 May 2014 10: 44
        +8
        Madhouse compared to the government in Kiev is a resort.
      4. zanoza
        zanoza 15 May 2014 11: 13
        +17
        Quote: Alexey N
        Common sense has long emigrated

        That's right!
        Manic perseverance of the Kiev junta in achieving unattainable not surprising, but enrages.
        2 months ago, the people of the southeast told the junta: "We want a dialogue on the structure of the country, the election of local authorities, more rights for the regions and, most importantly, Russian is the second state language, or at least for the southeast."
        About separation, federalization, and there was no talk.
        No, we must lead the situation to a standstill, start physically destroying dissidents, unleash fighting against the people, and as a result they have what they have.
        Well stupid degenerates!
        Apart from hatred for her, this "power" causes nothing more.
        And the shtatovskih and European ghouls all this bloody junta udder, bless and stroke the head.
        In addition, money for this mess is allocated to the click.
        1. Suhow
          Suhow 16 May 2014 01: 00
          0
          today we read the newspaper Vesti, there is an interview with one of the specialists, for example, he called one of the leadership of the atom - CH M OM and called a moron, seeing how much we are doing through I think that I can add most of the new power.
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      6. sscha
        sscha 15 May 2014 11: 39
        +3
        "Theater of the Absurd" is on tour in Ukraine. Main director - Obamka, script - McCain, starring - ... laughing
        1. daemon
          daemon 15 May 2014 20: 59
          +7
          nothing, we will do a remake in our style;))
      7. daemon
        daemon 15 May 2014 20: 49
        +3
        He has already emigrated to Russia for 15 years;))
      8. _my opinion
        _my opinion 15 May 2014 20: 58
        +2
        I agree, here limitless arrogance from the junta:
        “Representatives of the authorities in Kiev suggested that Russia return to the discussion of the scheme for repaying the $ 15 billion loan, which Vladimir Putin and Viktor Yanukovych had agreed on before the change of power with signs of a coup d'etat. Russian officials declined to discuss this issue.
        The proposal of the Ukrainian authorities was announced at a meeting of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, Minister of Finance of Ukraine Oleg Shlapak.

        “When it came to our gas conflict, we suggested: let's get back to the idea of ​​$ 15 billion, let's get back to normal cooperation. Pay us a tranche of $ 2 billion, as promised in January, we will immediately pay this money for gas debt. But, unfortunately, they did not get consent to this, ”the Interfax agency quotes the minister.

        Problem billions
        On December 17, the Russian government decided to place $ 15 billion from the Ukrainian National Wealth Fund in Ukrainian securities. This was stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin following talks with his Ukrainian counterpart, Viktor Yanukovych.

        December 24, Russia acquired the first tranche of Ukrainian sovereign bonds in the amount of three billion dollars. Ukrainian bonds with a face value of $ 200 thousand with a coupon of five percent were placed on the Irish Stock Exchange. Coupon payment will be made twice a year, bonds are scheduled to be paid off on December 20, 2015, ITAR-TASS reported then.

        At the end of January 2013, Russian President Vladimir Putin told reporters that Russia would not abandon the agreement to provide Ukraine with a $ 15 billion loan and lower gas prices, even if the opposition government came to power.

        “I’ll tell you directly the answer to the question whether we will revise our agreements on loans and energy if the opposition comes to power. We won’t, ”said Vladimir Putin.

        Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/32076#ixzz31nvKz17a "
        1. Suhow
          Suhow 16 May 2014 01: 05
          0
          after hearing a message on the radio, the floor of the minibus pinned up laughing ... you give us the money and we will give it to you, and we’ll give the gas back ...
    2. major071
      major071 15 May 2014 10: 24
      +14
      An attempt to sit down at the "round table" showed that the round table has a lot of sharp corners. hi
    3. sem-yak
      sem-yak 15 May 2014 10: 24
      +26
      "And that one has all sorts of Psaki on the front flank." yes, yes, yes, everything is so!
      1. arch_kate3
        arch_kate3 15 May 2014 11: 38
        +7
        UN Resolution
        On December 20, 2010, the UN General Assembly adopted a resolution proposed by Russia, which urges member countries to fight against the glorification of fascism. The USA is the only major power that voted against the resolution, which 129 countries supported and adopted (the vote against is explained by the constitutional right to freedom of speech - US diplomats are not allowed to sign resolutions that are contrary to the US Constitution).
      2. AnaBat
        AnaBat 15 May 2014 17: 32
        +9
        Psaki on a prepaid gas delivery to an American journalist laughing "When I get to my office, Matt, I will certainly look at what the word prepayment means, and now I will say that we are quite sure that Putin had no right to use words the meaning of which is not understood in the White House."
        1. Dezinto
          Dezinto 15 May 2014 19: 31
          +1
          we are quite sure that Putin had no right to use words the meaning of which is not understood in the White House. "
          !!

          Pha ha ha ha ... something ryu.
    4. bulvas
      bulvas 15 May 2014 10: 24
      +11
      Quote: My address
      Roof tiles rustling slowly.


      - liked. smile


      But in fact, the State Department of School of Demagogy and empty chatter is visible (a bright representative - Psaki - a talking head).
      1. Hctu
        Hctu 15 May 2014 10: 34
        +5
        This is not a school. This is terror! Dumb, aggressive, sneaky. And demagoguery is a show for stupid American voters
      2. HAM
        HAM 15 May 2014 10: 35
        +4
        And I'm not sure what the head is .....
        1. Ased
          Ased 15 May 2014 10: 41
          +7
          Quote: HAM
          Wolfgang Ischinger did not give anything specific to the audience. “I want to say that you can count on me and my team.


          - Yes please! Spread the funeral among families, express condolences to their families. You are not able to do anything else there!
          A trend for a coffee maker, but on TV can perform without you!
        2. The point
          The point 15 May 2014 16: 26
          +1
          Quote: HAM
          And I'm not sure what the head is .....

          I am also inclined to designate it with another body, purely female. laughing
      3. Midshipman
        Midshipman 15 May 2014 11: 19
        +1
        Are there any other options:
        Quiet slate rustling roof goes slowly
        Quiet tires rustling roof goes slowly))
      4. Sasha1979
        Sasha1979 15 May 2014 22: 28
        0
        With all due respect, Comrade Major General, she’s more likely to speak ..... It’s hard to call it a head
    5. Imigrantt
      Imigrantt 15 May 2014 10: 39
      +6
      The fact that in 3,14ndostan is clear to everyone, they choke on their own poison, but the most interesting thing is that the presidium is also headed by two of the most important Ukrainian pederasts Kuchuchma - a drunk tractor driver, and Sly Chuk (Kravchuk) !!! These are truly "patriots" of Ukraine !!!!!! laughing
      1. Drednout
        Drednout 15 May 2014 13: 56
        +5
        It was then that the role of Kuchma and Kravchuk became clear: the interim government appointed them “moderators” of the southeast tables.
        Apparently the hunchback is missing in this circus.
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    6. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 15 May 2014 11: 39
      +4
      Quote: My address
      Roof tiles rustling slowly.

      Yesterday I saw on the news program all this horde of self-satisfied, worldly - prosperous nonentities of the "independent spill", and felt such pain, reliving the tragedy of the collapse of the state in the early nineties! You can't repeat the mistakes of the past! Administrative - economic division on a national basis - a time bomb, which cannot but explode. Wisdom is not "distributed" among people on a national basis.
    7. nika407
      nika407 15 May 2014 12: 14
      +2
      Quote: My address
      And in that front row unfinished psaki.
      These psaki in the last rows are whipping girls, and in the front rows are the Rothschilds and Rockefellers and their attendants.
      They pretended to do something.
    8. xenod55
      xenod55 15 May 2014 12: 39
      +2
      I’m here to help you, to cooperate with the two co-chairs, to bring this wonderful country (Ukraine) to Europe, and to ensure a prosperous future for it, ”Wolfgang Ishinger told Ukrainians, and I thought to myself, as I did Yugoslavia.
    9. fedorovith
      fedorovith 15 May 2014 13: 27
      +1
      So it looks like they’re all there .. Saki and Zadornov are right ....? what
    10. demon184
      demon184 15 May 2014 13: 35
      +3
      Nothing has been blown away. They are just temporary workers and their task is to steal from Ukraine or transfer into the hands of their owners, as many assets as possible, and everything else, including just a performance for fooled Kievans and zapadentsev.
    11. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 15 May 2014 13: 51
      +8
      The Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine opened a criminal case against Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.
    12. daemon
      daemon 15 May 2014 20: 41
      +6
      in 3.14ndostan they already got the children ...
  2. Afinogen
    Afinogen 15 May 2014 10: 19
    +6
    The round table in Ukraine, according to the statements of its organizers, is an attempt to find a peaceful way out of the eastern crisis.


    And why look for him, recognize the Donetsk Republic and there will be no crisis.
    1. Gato
      Gato 15 May 2014 13: 39
      +4
      Quote: Athenogen
      And why look for him, recognize the Donetsk Republic and there will be no crisis.

      Will be. But it will end when they eliminate the PSov, the National Guard, the junta and the Maidan. And Galicia will be fenced with barbed wire with minefields.
  3. mig31
    mig31 15 May 2014 10: 19
    +5
    A loose chair, and a snout there, bastard ...
  4. marder4
    marder4 15 May 2014 10: 20
    +2
    well, "east" has already officially sent all these "negotiations", so what kind of settlement can we talk about?
  5. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 15 May 2014 10: 21
    +8
    They poured from the empty and empty, but now the OSCE will declare exceptional efforts to overcome the crisis!
  6. Vlad Gore
    Vlad Gore 15 May 2014 10: 21
    +12
    They didn’t decide what “destinies” of Ukraine. They just argued about how quickly the militias would stop the punitive operation and when to wait for them in Kiev. bully
  7. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger 15 May 2014 10: 22
    +6
    We sat down with ourselves, had a drink of vodka, a bite of lard, and for fun the buffoon from the OSCE and the American ambassador, where without him. Well, the "older" generation of presidents has not been forgotten either. Intercourse
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 15 May 2014 11: 38
      +26
      Quote: JoylyRoger
      We sat down with ourselves, had a drink of vodka, a bite of lard, and for fun the buffoon from the OSCE and the American ambassador, where without him. Well, the "older" generation of presidents has not been forgotten either. Intercourse

      We recognize only such a "round table":
    2. nika407
      nika407 15 May 2014 12: 43
      +8
      Quote: JoylyRoger
      Brawl
      Just comedian McCain not invited
      1. The point
        The point 15 May 2014 16: 29
        +1
        Well stupid! (M. Zadornov)
  8. Egoza
    Egoza 15 May 2014 10: 24
    +14
    I liked the fact that preparing for the "second round table" Kravchuk was most concerned about safety ... "All the participants would like to return to Kiev from Donetsk," he says. That would be a number if they were there "grabbed for a" talk "! And they dare not refuse! Fule put" 5 "at the first table and urged to go to the East for the second!
    Jump at the direction of Fule and Co.! I only doubt that anyone will speak with you at all!
    1. Little Muck
      Little Muck 15 May 2014 10: 30
      +9
      Quote: Egoza
      That would be the number if they were there "grabbed for" talk "!

      Like "Alfovtsev", without pants, with tied gases and swollen muzzles.
      I would give a lot for such a show. laughing
    2. Afinogen
      Afinogen 15 May 2014 10: 40
      +5
      Quote: Egoza
      Kravchuk is most worried about security


      And why didn’t they invite Yushchenko, or did the famine worsen in his head laughing
      1. Drednout
        Drednout 15 May 2014 13: 59
        +1
        Quote: Athenogen
        And why Yushchenko wasn’t invited, or in his head the famine worsened laughing

        So Gorbachev, too, for some reason did not take.
        1. smart Fox
          smart Fox 15 May 2014 18: 21
          +1
          and Yeltsin to call from the other world, there is nothing to rest, let him rake what he has done
    3. vedross
      vedross 15 May 2014 11: 14
      +2
      Yes, grabbing them vitally (for the whole planet Earth) is necessary. Right at the train station you’re a creature and grab.
  9. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 15 May 2014 10: 24
    +9
    It is hard for the interim Ukrainian government. Nobody loves them. Perhaps this is why at night they love each other!
  10. Giant thought
    Giant thought 15 May 2014 10: 24
    +1
    Everyone loves to listen to fairy tales, and since childhood. But with the passage of time and the growing up of people, fairy tales change, but the essence remains. Out of the state of belief in these tales, and not everyone can take a sober look at the existing reality. Many Ukrainians believed in the tales of flattering gay people and are still under the sweet hypnosis of their tales. It is time for Ukrainians to throw off this pink veil of gay-European production.
    1. arch_kate3
      arch_kate3 15 May 2014 11: 46
      +3
      Or maybe this is the influence of Chernobyl? Could the brain be a thin and strong radiation that could damage something? I feel sorry for the people. The junta is not.
  11. made13
    made13 15 May 2014 10: 24
    +3
    A great illustration of an active simulation of violent activity. Then there will be an occasion to say that we did what we could ...
  12. 14evgen
    14evgen 15 May 2014 10: 25
    +1
    The junta is killing herself. Donetsk, Lugansk already cut chunks, who is next?
  13. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 15 May 2014 10: 25
    +5
    Strongly Kiev power hits the brain.
    Nevertheless, the sextant wavered when he was told that he would have to answer.
  14. Roman1970
    Roman1970 15 May 2014 10: 25
    +5
    The event was attended by former presidents of Ukraine Kuchma and Kravchuk (for some time they have been inseparable - apparently, they are linked by democratic aspirations)

    Yes, the Kuchma is still that GAD Yonysh! A friend from Belaya Tserkov told how HIS elections were held. People come to the village and say to the chairman: - "If yours do not vote as it should, you will not get food for the next year" .....
  15. gandalf
    gandalf 15 May 2014 10: 28
    +5
    I am here to help you, to collaborate with the two co-chairs, to bring this wonderful country to Europe, and to provide it with a prosperous future


    The same lure that 70 + years ago, the reality will be about the same ...
    We came, destroyed, and to restore - not ... ourselves ... wink
  16. albi77
    albi77 15 May 2014 10: 35
    +1
    They are ready to sell to the EU and the United States and are ready to kill everyone who is not ready to sell.
  17. Cynic
    Cynic 15 May 2014 10: 37
    +6
    What is a round table for Yu-V? There the term of the 24-hour ultimatum is ticking!
  18. APS
    APS 15 May 2014 10: 40
    +1
    Round table - loose stool. Nothing concrete. If only to get out of the country did not have time for a people's court over them.
  19. nvv
    nvv 15 May 2014 10: 41
    +10
    Sorry Simonenko was not invited.
    1. GDP
      GDP 15 May 2014 12: 27
      +15
      Simonenko is a real hero. This is what courage one must have in order for the fascist junta to tell the truth in person!
      1. smart Fox
        smart Fox 15 May 2014 18: 23
        +4
        I agree, of course it’s not easy for Tsarev in the Donbass, but Simonenko is doubly more difficult. He alone dares to cut the truth-uterus directly into Turchinov’s eyes. I respect you.
  20. Fish supervision
    Fish supervision 15 May 2014 10: 41
    +3
    El-Murid, dear, they have not only left the train, they have already dismantled the rails and sleepers ... wassatAnd Ishakger will definitely bring them out; his name is not Susanin by chance? what
  21. mackonya
    mackonya 15 May 2014 10: 45
    +3
    Usually, when they call to the negotiating table, then any military operations cease, well, at least they would stop shooting and moving military units. It is difficult to discuss something with a person or a group of people who do something that drive a gun in front of your nose and fire at your own people.
  22. regul10108
    regul10108 15 May 2014 10: 45
    +3
    Ears from this table stick out in America. This whole American table is primitive, ostentatious, useless. Puppetry continues in Europe and Ukraine!
  23. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 15 May 2014 10: 45
    +1
    According to Yatsenyuk, the Cabinet must go on a tour of the southeastern regions and organize round tables there

    Great idea ! So that you can be there at once ... bully
  24. parus2nik
    parus2nik 15 May 2014 10: 54
    +5
    Round table - Union of the sword and screaming. Fasten yourself. The border will help us.
    1. The point
      The point 15 May 2014 16: 33
      +2
      Quote: parus2nik
      Union of the sword and screaming

      you wrote "p" instead of the letter "n" in the last word. wassat
  25. Andrey82
    Andrey82 15 May 2014 10: 56
    +3
    And many Ukrainians believe that a move to Europe will automatically give them happiness.
    ----------------------------------
    Nobody is going to accept them in the EU. The Association Agreement does not provide for this.
  26. ZU-23
    ZU-23 15 May 2014 10: 58
    +1
    they’ve gathered nothing about this cockerel without the southeast, it would be better if they saved energy on electricity
  27. Semenov
    Semenov 15 May 2014 11: 05
    +1
    V. Ishinger - successfully dealt with issues of recognition of Kosovo, political expert in the Balkans. Judging by the cases, he came to recognize Crimea and Novorossia.
  28. Walk
    Walk 15 May 2014 11: 11
    +3
    The gentlemen in Fanigton, after the "victory in the Cold War," have relaxed for a quarter of a century and are electing to the administration, not smart, but faithful, though mostly inadequate. They have completely forgotten how to calculate their actions and their consequences, judging by their behavior. They live in their own fictional world, and when some event does not fit into the boundaries of this world, they fall into a stupor. And they selected the executors of their plans in Ukraine accordingly. All these Carrie, Psaki, Power, along with a rabbit, a boxer and a pastor, had to be treated, or rather observed, since this is no longer treated, in one mental hospital. Maybe even in the same room. They KNOW which world is correct and act and speak based on this knowledge. And what does not fit into this knowledge are hallucinations that should not be paid attention to. Therefore, a dialogue with them will never work. We live in different realities. They are democrats, therefore they can kill, burn alive, rape, explain to other unreasonable countries and peoples what they should do, and if these subhumans do not follow the orders of "the democratic state itself, then they can be democratically bombarded so that they know their place. And then such a bummer happened to Russia - he objects, he does it his own way, but you can't bomb, because you can run into a lethal outcome. So they fell into a stupor, spitting saliva from helplessness. They need a psychiatrist, not round tables What can a few psychos agree on?
    1. arch_kate3
      arch_kate3 15 May 2014 11: 52
      +2
      Psychos can agree that at the same time, holding hands, jump into the window from floor 12?
  29. WETER
    WETER 15 May 2014 11: 15
    +3
    "Round table" is an event solely for show, an imitation of efforts. With regards to the representatives of the DPR: inviting them to such an event is the actual recognition of the federation, and Kiev inadequacies shy away from him like hell from incense. These guys, sold out in giblets, sing exclusively American tunes. The Americans do not need Ukraine as a state either in a unitary or, moreover, in a federal form.
  30. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 15 May 2014 11: 16
    +3
    I'm not even talking about Ukraine ... The West, the gunman of this madness, is constantly late with its "initiatives." Ku ku, wake up, the referendums have passed, you have already announced an ultimatum about the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from the land of the Donetsk Republic. Everyone, they have already stepped into the turd!
  31. Evgeniy1
    Evgeniy1 15 May 2014 11: 18
    +4
    This "SPECTACLE" is directed and organized for the WESTERN audience to Ukraine, especially to the South-East, it has nothing to do with it.
    To receive the next "TRANCHES" and benefits it is necessary to show that "correct" actions take place in dill. All this is GOEBEL'S PROPAGANDA and verbal diarrhea, the main thing is to fuck up the brains of the Western man in the street and "legally" provide the JUNT with money, and those, most importantly, hold out until May 25 and pay everyone who "should".
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 15 May 2014 11: 40
      +5
      I completely agree. Euronews Channel sings with might and main that the round table is a step towards a peaceful dialogue, etc. etc.
      Political masturbation is presented as a real thing.
  32. vezunchik
    vezunchik 15 May 2014 11: 25
    +3
    HERE YOU AND CHRISTIANS!
    The leader of the schismatic “Kiev patriarchy” Filaret Denisenko called for sabotaging any negotiations with Russia. Thus, he reacted in particular to the Cabinet’s proposal to establish a dialogue on stabilizing the situation in Ukraine with Russia, the US and the EU, as was the format of the Geneva Agreement.

    “We must remember that we were given guarantees by the United States, England and Russia. And it was Russia that attacked us. Therefore, the guarantors must help us free our territory. How they will help is their business, ”he said.

    Thus, in veiled expressions, the “Kiev patriarch” calls on the United States and Britain to attack Russia with the goal of “liberating” Crimea.

    Russian spring
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 15 May 2014 11: 34
      +2
      Uncle Filaret understands that if the junta falls, he will receive, if not a dodger, then a good pendal and become a patriarch in exile.
      1. stayer
        stayer 15 May 2014 16: 33
        +2
        His name is not Philaret, but Philharmon. Because some kind of philharmonic is engaged, instead of being really the vicegerent of God in Ukraine.
    2. Walk
      Walk 15 May 2014 11: 34
      +3
      Well, there’s nothing to be surprised at. The Uniate Church was originally created by the Jesuits to counteract the Orthodox Church and Russia as the main bearer of the Orthodox faith in the captured Russian lands. Since then, and crap.
    3. Cynic
      Cynic 15 May 2014 16: 24
      +3
      Quote: vezunchik
      HERE YOU AND CHRISTIANS!

      What Christians, only in words!
      They departed from Orthodoxy, but did not become Catholics. Both yours and ours.
      In fact, the most vile thing that can be in faith.
      Just as Ukraine itself is artificial within its borders, so the Uniates are artificial as faith!
  33. Zmii
    Zmii 15 May 2014 11: 29
    +1
    "... to bring this wonderful country to Europe, and to ensure its prosperous future"

    The whole junta in Konchita Sausage will have a lot of happiness for them and they will all bloom with bouquets and will surely become a wonderful country, for those who want to stay with this.
  34. bistrov.
    bistrov. 15 May 2014 11: 35
    +2
    Send to x ... this "round table". The hypocrites! They did not even suspend the punitive operation for the duration of the "round table". They negotiate with their own protege, the oligarch and the governor Taruta! Is this a mockery? No negotiations with the illegal fascist government. And they will stick to the East, drive in three necks. Now the main task for the newly declared republics is to create their own armed forces, their own government, banking system, tax, customs and border services.
  35. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx 15 May 2014 11: 38
    +2
    The junta did not have a "round table", but a liquid stool! Craftsmen!)))
  36. SHURAVI
    SHURAVI 15 May 2014 11: 39
    +4
    I agree!!! The roundtable train has already left !!! Southeast and Russia even earlier offered to stop the punitive operation and start negotiations, in response they received Odessa and Mariupol !!! "... It was then that the role of Kuchma and Kravchuk became clear: the interim government appointed them" moderators "of the southeastern tables .." These "monderators" should be judged primarily for the actual legalization and strengthening of fascism in Ukraine !!! South-East's answer to the round table in the appendix.
  37. mamont5
    mamont5 15 May 2014 11: 39
    +2
    "No negotiations are possible at a time when there is an armed shelling of Sloviansk, a punitive operation in Krasnoarmeysk, executions of the police, which did not want to shoot civilians in Mariupol. That is, what negotiating table can we talk about in this case?"

    As expected ... Out.
  38. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 15 May 2014 11: 41
    +3
    According to the correspondent of Vesti, Alexander Balitsky, the Kiev regime has instructed the appointed governor and oligarch Sergey Tarut to speak for the Donbass.

    The junta organized a roundtable with herself. S.E.K. without a woman is a sign of foolishness. Or the Turks.
    1. The point
      The point 15 May 2014 16: 35
      +1
      Quote: Sergei Medvedev
      S.E.K. without a woman is a sign of foolishness. Or the Turks.

      and you are very intolerant. laughing
  39. kaluganew
    kaluganew 15 May 2014 11: 51
    +1
    It’s a pity that they won’t hear the man, but the attempt is good.

    http://fishki.net/video/1268603-podborka-video-ot-13052014/769132-efremov-vyskaz
    al-vsju-pravdu-turchinovu-o-sobytijah-na-ukraine-video.html
  40. Arkan
    Arkan 15 May 2014 12: 11
    0
    Kuchma and Kravchuk (for some time they are inseparable - apparently, they are linked by democratic aspirations)


    Or maybe the geyropey trend is supported, doves.

    “I want to say that you can count on me and my team. I am here to help you, to collaborate with the two co-chairs, to bring this wonderful country to Europe, and to provide it with a prosperous future ”


    Divorce suckers, part of the eleventh. The main thing is more pathos, promises and a picture in the evening news for our voters (like "driving the process"). And, as for their implementation, the local aborigines are Maidanuns.
  41. ed65b
    ed65b 15 May 2014 12: 12
    +1
    We sat, popiz ..li, fled, that's the whole table. in general, it is not clear how the question of the fate of the region can be solved without those who really rule there now and control the situation, albeit by armed means. Look at Taruta, it would be better if he refused to participate in this booth as he himself is zero in Dombas. whom does he represent? who speaks for? on whose behalf? In general, a bluff. Well, Nemchara eared goof as the last kid of his dill bred.
  42. xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 15 May 2014 12: 37
    +1
    Yeah ...! Nonsense continues when the end will be?! Everyone is already tired of this Kiev clique, when they will end it !? am
  43. Platov
    Platov 15 May 2014 12: 51
    +1
    The outskirts have long been a protectorate of Russia and they will remain. 23 years of independence, it showed the whole depth of this truth, immeasurable greed and irresponsibility is the true nature of the outskirts.
  44. navodchik
    navodchik 15 May 2014 12: 55
    +2
    Only now “the beautiful far” is promised not by the Soviet communist rulers, but by representatives of the Western capitalist paradise. And many Ukrainians believe that a move to Europe will automatically give them happiness


    I remembered the joke.
    The commander of the NKVD is taking the commander. In the corridor he meets a substitute who is given confidential information about three envelopes requiring opening in a difficult moment. Such a moment at the substitute soon comes and he opens the 1st envelope. Sees there:
    "Blame everything on me"
    After a while, the second message is revealed:
    "Promise to do better"
    Finally, the time comes for the third:
    "Prepare three envelopes."

    The "authorities" of Ukraine are not showing anything new.
  45. Turk
    Turk 15 May 2014 13: 18
    +2
    Quote: subbtin.725
    Quote: Hans51
    Well stoned!

    Euro-maid and euro-punctured.

    Quote: Rus2012
    Quote: Canep
    but the negotiations were successful!

    this applies to a person - a monologue with itself ... or a split.
    What is in full swing and is being observed ...

    Yeah....
  46. kyznets
    kyznets 15 May 2014 13: 56
    +1
    Thank God that these clowns are gathering, talking, multiplying idiocy and delirium among themselves. If only there was no smart and competent competitor, politician and military leader now in their midst, so that they could not realize their plans in the southeast and in the country in general. They would have there more infantile clones of Turchinov, Yatsenyuk and nicknames. To Kiev senility grow stronger, and Donbass and Lugansk managed to calmly get on their feet.
  47. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 15 May 2014 14: 08
    +1
    Free press? There is a well-trained press, and my press. And no more ...
  48. andj61
    andj61 15 May 2014 14: 29
    +1
    political expert Valentin Zharonkin:
    “The government in Kiev fundamentally does not want to understand that sooner or later it will still have to sit down at the negotiating table with those whom they call separatists. In March it was necessary to agree on the status of the Russian language, in April - on federalization and recognition of the people's governors of Donbass. On May 11, we can only talk about a ceasefire. Donbass is no longer Ukraine. The sooner Kiev understands this, the better. There will be fewer victims. "

    That's just about the withdrawal of troops and a ceasefire can speak with the Kiev junta.
  49. Turk
    Turk 15 May 2014 14: 34
    +3
    Quote: Canep
    Only one side participated in the negotiations, the second was not invited (or they did not want to come), but the negotiations were successful! fool wassat
  50. Estet59
    Estet59 15 May 2014 14: 51
    +1
    Quote: Petergut
    Quote: Hans51
    ...
    And this is the main Eurointegrast ...


    In addition, he is also a master of elegant literature. laughing



    Translation: If today we pretend that nothing is happening, if we swallow the so-called Crimea and continue to, ahhh, proudly make attention that nothing is happening, there may be further actions for not only Ukraine. There is a clear understanding of this situation and we have what it was, we talked about it. Today's situation, which is and needs to be looked at, what we can do, what way out of this situation. I spoke with representatives of international organizations, I’m sure that an international one is needed ... I’m sure that we can return aaaaa to Crimea after a certain period of time, when Russian authoritarianism will no longer act.

    When every day, starting from a "tender" age, you get hit in the head, it is quite problematic to live to a conscious age in full consciousness. Wooden soldier Oorfene Dzhusa, by God!
    1. wow
      wow 15 May 2014 18: 29
      +3
      Mohamed Ali, Mike Tyson et al. Are excellent examples of the consequences of the foregoing ...
    2. Evgenij.
      Evgenij. 15 May 2014 19: 49
      +3
      I thought Lewis was joking when he apologized for the nickname so he got it, now I understand there is something to apologize for)))