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Roman Ratner: "We want to divide the parties in the Donbass buffer"

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Roman Ratner: "We want to divide the parties in the Donbass buffer"



The Israeli battalion "Aliya", formed from the former Soviet security forces, is ready to restore order in the south-east of Ukraine
The commander of the Israeli battalion "Aliya" Roman Ratner said that his military are ready to go to the Donbass to stop the bloodshed there. Aliya is a unit consisting of former Soviet and Russian military personnel. "Russian Planet" decided to find out what motives are driven by these people.

Where are the Soviet officers in Israel

At the start of the 1990s, a million-strong wave of immigrants from the disappeared USSR hit Israel. Among them were thousands of servicemen of the Soviet army that no longer existed - generals and officers of all combat arms and types, special forces and airborne troops.

Thousands of personnel officers who arrived at that time in Israel hoped to find application in their combat experience in the Israeli army. But for all appeals to the IDF recruiting offices, the repatriate officers received a polite, but firm refusal.

There is only one chance to make a military career in Israel - to forget their former ranks and services and to start a service from scratch - from a private soldier, from the “Course of the Young Fighter”, and even if the age and health of the candidate meets the strict criteria of the Israeli army. The IDF does not recognize the military ranks of newcomers, they received in the countries of origin.

This cold reception was not only waiting for former officers of the Soviet army. Earlier in the same way, the IDF refused to call on hundreds of officers from Poland. In the 1950, at the height of the anti-Semitic campaign in Poland, hundreds of Jewish officers in the ranks from general to lieutenant were dismissed, despite their combat experience and merit. They were experienced people who had passed the war in the ranks of the Polish Army before Berlin. Many of them repatriated to Israel, but their plans to continue their military career failed.

Perhaps only one of the Polish officers managed to make a career in Israel - Colonel of the Polish Army Roman Yagel. Colonel Yagel began service in the Soviet border troops. The war for him began 22 June 1941, when his outpost took the first battle at the border, and he ended it in Berlin. After the war, Yagel made a successful career in the Polish army - he became a colonel, commander of an infantry regiment. However, at the height of the anti-Semitic campaign in Poland, he, along with other Jewish officers, was dismissed from the army.

By repatriating to Israel, Yagel tried to achieve a call to the IDF, but to no avail. After long negotiations, he managed to call in the border troops. Not a colonel, but a foreman. Over time, he was promoted to the rank of General of the Israeli border troops.

Battalion "Aliya"

"Aliya" in Hebrew means "Ascent." In Israel, the process of returning Jews from around the world to their historical homeland. Having called their volunteer formation the “Aliya” battalion, its creators, apparently, wanted to emphasize their patriotism and the intention of the new immigrants to join the IDF as defenders of the newly acquired country.


Roman Ratner. Photo: from Facebook's personal page


My first acquaintance with the commanders and fighters of the Aliya battalion took place in September 2002. Then I came to a small mansion in the center of Tel Aviv, where there was a kind of battalion headquarters. The stairs and corridors of the mansion were filled with strong guys whose civilian clothes did not hide the army bearing. In their conversations the words were constantly heard - the airborne assault battalion, military intelligence, special forces of the Airborne Forces, special forces of GSVG, special forces of the GRU and KGB ... So these guys, who came to volunteer inscribed in the Aliya battalion, told about their former duty stations.

Then I had a conversation with the leader of the Aliya battalion Roman Ratner and his “right hand” - Sergey Kulikov. In the old Soviet life, Kulikov was a "krapovy beret" - the captain of the special forces of the internal troops who had passed all the hot spots of the USSR.

Time passed, and recent statements by Roman Ratner about the willingness of volunteers from the Aliya battalion to go on a peacekeeping mission to Ukraine caused our new meeting. In an interview with the Russian Planet, Ratner talks about his plans to send Israeli volunteers to Ukraine.

- What was the starting point for the creation of the battalion "Aliya"?

- The idea of ​​creating a military unit in the IDF from among the former soldiers of the Soviet army living in Israel arose after the terrorist attack in Dolfi, when in the evening of June 1, a Palestinian suicide bomber exploded at a children's disco in the Dolfi club in Tel Aviv. More than twenty boys and girls aged 2001 — 12 have become victims of the killer, dozens of children have been injured. Most of the killed and wounded children were from families of repatriates from the former USSR.

We were most impressed with the terrorist attacks in Dolphi - the Palestinians killed our children, and we - in the recent past, cadre officers of the Soviet army who have vast combat experience gained in Afghanistan, Chechnya, in numerous military conflicts on the territory of the former USSR - could not protect your children. But according to the criteria of the IDF, we were not subject to military recruitment. Immediately, an initiative group emerged that decided, by all means, to break through the question of our service in the ranks of the Israeli army.

- What did you do to implement your plans for invoking the former Soviet soldiers of the Soviet Army in the IDF?

- We started with collective appeals to the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Police. We were first met by the then police minister Uzi Landau. He supported us, and we gave him lists of volunteers. Then we met with the then Secretary of Defense F. Ben Eliezer. He also reacted positively to our proposal and gave the command to prepare for recruiting our volunteers to the army.

- The call to the army of a large group of new immigrants who had not previously met the criteria of the IDF, certainly did not go very smoothly?

“We handed over the lists of volunteers, and the police and military counterintelligence began to check them.” There were a total of 450 people on the lists. In the first set called 100 people, including me. We have passed an army refresher course on a special program.

- As far as I know, a group of six snipers was formed from volunteers from the Aliya battalion, who had a lot of sniper experience as part of the special forces of the Soviet army and the Interior Ministry. How was the adaptation of Soviet snipers in the ranks of the IDF?

- A separate anti-sniper unit, Carmel Yarok, was created in August 2003. Among the tasks assigned to us was the fight against enemy snipers, which seriously plagued our troops. The unit consisted of six people, including me.


Photo: Klassenkampf community


All our snipers were still with the Soviet special training and combat sniper experience. Because we did not need a long preparatory course, just mastered the new types weapons and special equipment. We confirmed the qualifications of snipers in the sniper school of the IDF and received the appropriate certificate.

The decision to create a unit of snipers was taken in the general staff at the request of the Gaza division commander, General Gadi Shamni. We are directly subordinate to the headquarters of the division. He supervised us and was responsible for interaction with other divisional divisions of a specially assigned officer. I was appointed as commander of our sniper group.

- And what are the results of the work of your anti-sniper units in Gaza?

- We worked in Gaza in 2003 — 2004. And quite effectively - in our account dozens of successfully conducted sniper ambushes. I think that the liquidated Palestinian terrorists were also quite a few. I was wounded in the battle of Khan Yunis.

- Was your sniper experience in further service useful?

- Yes. When the Lebanese war began in July 2006, our sniper unit in the Israeli forces entered Lebanon. As part of my reserve service, until the end of 2007, I was an instructor in a sniper school.

- In what other areas were the people of the Aliya battalion busy?

- Many of our fighters served as police volunteers in their places of residence. They were engaged in the maintenance of public order, helped the police in the fight against criminality and in the prevention of terrorist attacks.

A notable aspect of our work was the participation of our fighters in the protection of Jewish settlements in Judea and in Samaria - where the problem of Palestinian terror is most acute. Our units guarded the Jewish settlements of Homesh, Megron, and Eli.

- It was the protection of the settlements that caused sharp criticism in your address. Ultimately, you had to abandon this mission.

- The settlements were closed for us - they didn’t want us to get weapons in the settlements, and there is nothing to do to the unarmed in the local conditions. Some people really wanted to get rid of our presence in Judea and Samaria on the eve of the disengagement. As is known, the eviction of residents from the Jewish settlement of Homesh, carried out by decision of the Sharon government, was accompanied by clashes between the army and the police with the settlers. There were people who feared that during the confrontation we would be on the side of the settlers.

I think that there are a lot of people who didn’t like the idea of ​​the battalion from the very beginning, there are people who tried to make a political career for themselves through the Aliya battalion and failed to do so. This is the cause of many attacks on us.

- Let's go back to your recent initiative to send fighters to the south-east of Ukraine. Many believe that this will be the support of the forces opposing the Kiev authorities?

- We are not going to fight on any side. We want to divide the sides with a buffer so that the sides stop fighting. We have a lot of volunteers ready to go there today. These are adults serious and responsible people aged 35-45 years, with extensive combat experience.

To avoid further speculations about the intentions of a group of volunteers from the Aliya battalion to take part in the peacekeeping mission in Ukraine, I consider it necessary to state:

1. A group of volunteers from the Aliya battalion expressed its readiness to join the peacekeeping corps to prevent a civil war in Ukraine, if such a corps would be formed legally.

2. None of the volunteers of the Aliya battalion is currently involved in an armed conflict in Ukraine.

3. Our intention to go on a peacekeeping mission is a purely private initiative, in no way coordinated with the Israeli authorities.

The plans of Roman Ratner and his comrades in sending volunteers to the south-east of Ukraine are perceived ambiguously by Russian-speaking Israelis. The prevailing point of view is that this is not our war and the Israelis should not get involved in the flare-up Russian-Ukrainian conflict.
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  1. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 15 May 2014 21: 40
    +49
    They are, of course, serious soldiers. But it seems to me that they get into their own business.
    1. Ased
      Ased 15 May 2014 21: 42
      +1
      Or maybe the idea is not bad?
      I know Jews well, and I very much share their views on fascism!
      1. I do not care
        I do not care 15 May 2014 21: 57
        +8
        The Israeli battalion "Aliya", formed from the former Soviet security forces, is ready to restore order in the south-east of Ukraine
        The commander of the Israeli battalion "Aliya" Roman Ratner said that his military is ready to go to the Donbass to stop the bloodshed there.


        all, no words, we figured out the Arabs, now they will put things in order here.

        And they say, Russian-wild people ..
        1. Ased
          Ased 15 May 2014 22: 05
          -5
          Quote: me by
          And they say, Russian-wild people ..

          :) There are guys and girls fighting! :)
          1. Tron
            Tron 15 May 2014 23: 41
            +11
            Quote: ASed
            :) There are guys and girls fighting! :)

            Yes, maybe, all of them wink
          2. Oml
            Oml 16 May 2014 06: 40
            0
            Girls - maybe, but guys - cunning.
        2. Ataman
          Ataman 15 May 2014 22: 08
          +60
          If they want to stop fascism, then let them enter Lviv! In the Donbass, they have nothing to do!
          1. Manul
            Manul 15 May 2014 22: 13
            +33
            Quote: Ataman
            If they want to stop fascism, then let them enter Lviv! In the Donbass, they have nothing to do!

            Well said! They decided to become a buffer in the Donbass, the brains. They would go to the Maidan in February, and get up with a buffer between the hordes of goblins and the Golden Eagle. Also to me - there were defenders.
            1. smile
              smile 15 May 2014 23: 00
              +11
              Manul
              No, well, why. The Southeast is separated from the rest of Ukraine and is not going to go to fight there, therefore, if they get in the way of the Bandera, they will interfere with them and help our .... Well, is that bad? In addition, their appearance would be a serious information occasion to talk about the eurofascists, and if the eurofascists come over them, then there will be a cry about this all over the world .... :)))

              But there are two troubles ....
              One nonsense, Rattner talks about volunteers, the number of which is in the tens, God forbid, they will recruit an incomplete battalion - they cannot protect anyone.
              And the second, main scam - the UN will not send any peacekeeping corps there (unless if only we), since the Euro-fascists are an American-European joint project, well, will they peacekeep their wards? :)))

              By the way, when I mentioned the initiative of the guys from Aliya in the dispute with the Professor, the Professor said that this was an invention of Eskin, whom he called a marginal .... However, the professor, it turns out that Eskin told the truth, and you lost your mind ....: )))
              1. agronomist2
                agronomist2 15 May 2014 23: 21
                +18
                The third trouble is that they will go for Kolomoisky’s money. and will be worse than the Ukrainian Nazis
              2. Manul
                Manul 15 May 2014 23: 42
                +7
                Quote: smile
                and not going to fight there

                That is the point ..! And if you are going to? And if the junta in order to maintain access to the sea and prevent Russia from the possibility of overland communication with the Crimea, will arrange another bloody terror in Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson? Who are you going to reassure? I still have the groans of the dying in my ears, I see them at night .. And you? Have you all quickly forgotten? I don’t believe that the people of Lugansk and Donetsk and all regions will calm down on this. They will monitor the brothers and be ready to help them. What buffer are you talking about? Explain, dear?
                1. smile
                  smile 16 May 2014 00: 26
                  +5
                  Manul
                  And Odessa is precisely the Southeast, is not it? So, these Jews, who were subsequently particularly indignant at the tragedy organized by the Banderaites, especially pressed for the protection of not only the Donbass, but also of Odessa from the Banderaites. They gave different interviews, this is the most restrained of all that I read. One thing I can say for sure: it’s precisely these guys who are not going to support such as Benya the fascist.
                  Further. You have a question, where and whom am I reassuring here and am going to reassure? Desirable quote.
                  Further. No, I don’t have moans of the dying anywhere and no visions. I have a strong psyche, and such things no longer cause me horror, tantrums and loss of the ability to think rationally. If it’s different with you - do not look at materials with a restriction of 18, eat tablets and stop hysteria. You will not do anything useful in this state. And my memory is very good, and I don’t forget such things ... never. And to nobody.

                  If you ask, I explain. If peacekeepers will be introduced (which I don’t believe), then by agreement of the parties, including Southeast Ukraine, the buffer will separate their territories from the rest of Ukraine, whose population is infected with Russophobia bacillus to a large extent, if not overwhelmingly ... I repeat the question, why is it bad? :)))
                  In any case, if the SEI disagrees with the location of the peacekeepers, they will not be put there. That is precisely why there will be no peacekeepers there. :))) And for the offer itself, I am grateful to these guys from Aliya and to those Jews who supported them.
                  I hope I lucidly explained ... dear?
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 16 May 2014 01: 11
                    +2
                    Quote: smile
                    If peacekeepers will be introduced (which I do not believe)
                    I will fully support! It will be VERY hard for official Tel Aviv to make excuses to friends from across the ocean ...

                    It is one thing when SMALL and UNCONTROLLED volunteer groups advocate for one of the parties to the conflict ... They can be called whatever you like, even mercenaries, even internationalists.
                    And in this case, a whole operation "looms", and a large one. WHAT words will Israel comment on all this?
                  2. Manul
                    Manul 16 May 2014 01: 20
                    +3
                    Quote: smile
                    And Odessa is precisely the Southeast, is not it?

                    Misunderstandings from this. This article (which we are discussing) provides what Aliya is going to arrange for a buffer for a particular territory. And it is precisely this moment that causes the main wave of indignation. If you are so well aware of the intentions of this Israeli group, then inform us of the unreasonable, since you have sources right from there.
                    And about tablets you are in vain. I will never exchange my sensuality, sincerity and depth of understanding, for your strong psyche and rationality (I didn’t find anything else in the answer - is this all that can be opposed to compassion?) And I have enough strength of mind to discuss or act, and the fact that you went on the escalation of the conversation, you are not painted.
                    At first, I was also happy that the guys from Israel (no matter where) were going to come and help resolve the situation. But I was confused by exactly what the last conversation was about. Your rejection of my words allows me to think that you from Haifa will never go anywhere. have not traveled in the last 30 years.
                    1. smile
                      smile 16 May 2014 01: 38
                      0
                      Manul
                      Yes, yes, yes, it was in Haifa that I was born, lived, and ... died. :))) And being a Jewish zombie of advanced years, I declare to you responsibly - this is clearly clear to all sensual natures, precisely because I do not completely share their opinion and do not like it when a person writes about his sufferings and feelings outside personal correspondence ... I also agree with you that my bad behavior doesn’t color me, that’s how I, unpainted, like d ... cancer and stayed .... :))) I agreed with you - are you satisfied?
                      And let's stop the pointless argument.
              3. Evgen_Vasilich
                Evgen_Vasilich 16 May 2014 08: 44
                -1
                let them enter the border of Ukraine with New Russia and stand before the Passover, but don’t need to enter IMB in Donbass
          2. fevg
            fevg 16 May 2014 04: 58
            0
            You need to start small! Or are you, go fight?
      2. Tanechka-clever
        Tanechka-clever 15 May 2014 22: 08
        +31
        "I know Jews well" - maybe you know them badly. Kolomoisky is a Jew and an Israeli citizen. He very much shares the views of the fascists and uses methods for their punitive actions, which were used by the Nazis.
        1. Ased
          Ased 15 May 2014 22: 15
          -1
          Quote: Tanya-umunechka
          "I know Jews well" - maybe you know them badly.

          Believe me - even too good!
          But Kolomoisky is just a moral cripple and not a good person!

          PS cool filters work! sort of more or less culturally expressed! :)))
          1. smile
            smile 15 May 2014 23: 07
            +4
            Ased
            Well, how do you feel about the fact that a significant part of the Jews believe that there are no Nazis and Bandera in Ukraine, but a little less than ours, the Natsiks, and everything else is invented by our propaganda? They support the junta’s opinion that the cause of the tragedy in Odessa was the provocation of pro-Russian forces, that our special forces have long been fighting in the militia of the South-Ural Military District? This also applies to a significant number of our Israeli site colleagues who have relatives there.
            1. anfil
              anfil 16 May 2014 06: 57
              +3
              Zionists and fascists. VIEW OF THE FORMER DEATH CAMP OF DEATH

              It has long been known that opposites converge. So, fascism so damned by Jews of the whole world today is just a boomerang generated by racist Judaism, which is actually not so much a religion as an extreme nationalist ideology. It is no accident, for example, that the Jews walked alongside Mussolini in his famous march to Rome in the 1922 year, and the chief rabbi of Rome and the active Zionist Angelo Sacherdoti admitted in an interview: “... the fundamental principles of the fascist doctrine ... are nothing but the foundations Judaism. "
              link:http://politikym.net/evreistvo/sionizm_eto_fashizm.htm
        2. SSR
          SSR 15 May 2014 22: 33
          +2
          Quote: Tanya-umunechka
          "I know Jews well" - maybe you know them badly. Kolomoisky is a Jew and an Israeli citizen. He very much shares the views of the fascists and uses methods for their punitive actions, which were used by the Nazis.

          Kalommoysky simply decided that if he could not stop the fascists' movement by nature, he decided to head it and that he raided his people in the regions by raider methods and he was the customer of the tragedy in Odessa.
      3. Tanechka-clever
        Tanechka-clever 15 May 2014 22: 08
        +7
        "I know Jews well" - maybe you know them badly. Kolomoisky is a Jew and an Israeli citizen. He very much shares the views of the fascists and uses methods for their punitive actions, which were used by the Nazis.
      4. Tron
        Tron 15 May 2014 22: 43
        +2
        Quote: ASed
        Or maybe the idea is not bad?

        I do not agree, as the saying goes: "Deliver me, God, from my friends, and I can handle the enemies myself." This is our business, and let the Jews first deal with Kolomoisky, and then we'll see.
      5. MG42
        MG42 15 May 2014 23: 05
        +18
        Quote: ASed
        I know Jews well, and I very much share their views on fascism!

        So now in Ukraine, a strange phenomenon, the junta is ruled by Jews, Kolomoisky, Tymoshenko (Grigyan, Kapitelman), Turchinov, Yaytsenyuk, Deputy Prime Minister Groysman, Minister of Finance Shlapak in the government, Jew Kubiv (NBU).
        Jew Poroshenko will connect.
        What can I call it a symbiosis with the Natsik Tyagnibok, who himself is half Jewish (Freutman), radical Yarosh.
        At least for the sake of decency, at least someone in Israel condemned Kolomoisky’s activities in Odessa in the light of recent telephone revelations. His punitive death squads
        In the photo Kolomoisky, his friend Rabinovich, who don’t know who is wearing a hat
        1. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey 16 May 2014 06: 43
          +1
          And you look at the story of who after the revolutions always surfaced to the very top of the government, and who was the most bloodthirsty in these conditions.
          1. Wels75
            Wels75 16 May 2014 07: 46
            0
            Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
            And you look at the story of who after the revolutions always surfaced to the very top of the government, and who was the most bloodthirsty in these conditions.

            We recall the Great October Socialist Jewish Revolution of 1917!
            No different from the current situation in dill !!!
            The same sponsors (Europe, Jews, the USA) and the same performers (people from the bottom)
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      7. GRANATE-19
        GRANATE-19 15 May 2014 23: 18
        +13
        Quote: ASed
        Or maybe the idea is not bad?
        I know Jews well, and I very much share their views on fascism!

        What views on Nazism (fascism) are we talking about?
        They are going to participate in a peacekeeping operation to divide the warring parties! But aren’t the Nazis fighting on the Ukrainian side, and aren’t they shooting at civilians and scorching in general and horrible, aren’t they attacking the villages with mortar and shelling, are they going to use multiple launch rocket systems (and would apply if they wouldn’t be stopped by the militias), aren’t they lying to everyone on the left and on the right and to the whole world and their own people (they have spread the gebel’s land) and whom should they protect at the same time !?
        If they are to carry out a peacekeeping mission, then they protect both from others and others from those, which means they protect the Nazis! And this contradicts their beliefs and statements, and leads to unpredictable consequences.
        But in general, I'm not sure that it will not come to a situation where this peacekeeping battalion will protect the junta and at least will impede the actions of the SOUTH-EAST ARMY in expelling the banderl $ com from its land, or even open fire on the ARMY of the SOUTH-EAST! Israel is an ally of the United States in the Middle East, so the United States wants to make it its ally in the East !?
        Sit at home and protect your families and that’s what I’ll tell you that the country that you love doesn’t leave, and since it left it to be so.
        Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
        Afterword. I myself am a veteran of military operations and managed to run through the mountains twice, but still many do not understand why I went there - VOLUNTARY! This I mean that I do not understand anything about military affairs and the current situation as opponents and people from the "Alia" battalion can object to me. This conflict is the fault of the party that acts by Nazi methods and which began to shed the blood of civilians, force them to take up arms and it must be destroyed, and not, as it was stated, "conducting a peacekeeping operation"!
        1. Turkir
          Turkir 15 May 2014 23: 36
          +6
          You wrote it right. Good peacekeepers, come for free and .. then what?
          That’s all nonsense. We are not children.
          If you look deeper, then it became crowded.
        2. ArhipenkoAndrey
          ArhipenkoAndrey 16 May 2014 06: 46
          0
          Yeah, the Russian liberation army of Vlavsov also went to liberate the peoples of Russia, do not flatter yourself, who will pay more for this private initiative and keep a mark, will always understand his own, having run away from his country, will sell them again and then - these are people without a homeland, where there is kosher there and homeland.
      8. istomin36
        istomin36 15 May 2014 23: 20
        +11
        I know Jews well, and I very much share their views on fascism!

        Is Benya Kolomoisky not a Jew? Does it contain fascist scumbags in Ukraine.
      9. wulf66
        wulf66 15 May 2014 23: 22
        +7
        With all due respect, but first of all, the guys are not getting into their own business, and secondly, they cannot be a buffer, THEY WILL BE A RED RAG for idiots-right-wingers and their presence will increase the escalation of violence in the region.
      10. Vol50
        Vol50 16 May 2014 00: 39
        +2
        With whom will they fight, with Beni Kolomoisky sponsoring Yarosh and his militants? In Ukraine, fight against fascism. So we must fight with Firtash, Yatsenyukh, Taruta, Tymoshenko, Porosha
        nko and other Jewish "boys". Are they ready for this? Who calls to shoot the South-East from atomic weapons? Who calls to turn it into a lunar landscape7 they are hardly needed there.
      11. Wellych
        Wellych 16 May 2014 02: 18
        0
        I know Jews well
        I would then explain the phenomenon of Yatsenyuk and Kolomoisky.
      12. Weniamin
        Weniamin 16 May 2014 04: 59
        0
        Just do not forget that Kolomoisky is also a Jew. And if we proceed "who pays, he calls the tune" ("Aliyts" will not pay for free), it is not known in which direction these "peacekeepers" will smack.
      13. White53
        White53 16 May 2014 05: 00
        0
        Explain these views on fascism Kolomoisky!
      14. dimdimich71
        dimdimich71 16 May 2014 05: 29
        0
        Kalomudsky, if Jews were to be tidied up by the hands of condoning fascism, the wolves are safe and the sheep are full, all the more so in their eyes he is a traitor, and the buffer in the Donbass is some kind of intrigue, another wedge into the territory ..
      15. woron333444
        woron333444 16 May 2014 05: 59
        +1
        But what about Kolomoisky, who himself supports the Nazis?
      16. anfil
        anfil 16 May 2014 06: 18
        +2
        I know Jews well, and I very much share their views on fascism!

        I will cite a small paragraph from the article by Sabine MEANA, Rome "Aaretz"

        "- I first heard about my grandmother's relationship with Mussolini at the age of 17 or 18 from my friends. At home, this topic was not touched upon: confusion reigned in Italian society - all atrocities, racial laws and persecution were associated with the Germans, and our house was no exception When I grew up and began to understand this whole story, I realized that fascism and Nazism are not the same thing. In any case, my mother believed that fascism was good for Italy before Mussolini's rapprochement with Hitler. My opinion is: if b persecuted blacks, not Jews, most Jews would become fascists. Today, many Jews in Italy adhere to fascist views, fascism is close to Israel, where the Arabs are persecuted. If you go to the Jewish quarter in Rome, you can make sure that the local Jews are in their own way. views and mentality are fascists. This is facilitated by the situation in the Middle East - if someone opposes Israel, they immediately declare him an anti-Semite. And Italian politics today is more right-wing thanleft ... "24.10.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX
        link:http://www.jewish.ru/history/press/2008/10/news994268052.php
      17. Horn
        Horn 16 May 2014 06: 29
        +1
        Quote: ASed
        Or maybe the idea is not bad?
        I know Jews well, and I very much share their views on fascism!

        What are the views? The views of the Jew Kolomoisky? Jew Yatsenyuk? Jews Timoshenko? Jew Firtash?
        Jews are different too ...
      18. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey 16 May 2014 06: 41
        0
        An example is a Jew of Kaomoisky, sponsor of law-enforcement agencies.
      19. maxxdesign
        maxxdesign 16 May 2014 07: 17
        0
        Jewish patriot sounds like a miner-ballerina
        where did you see a Jew who goes to war without having any of his interests?
        then they will say: here we fought in Ukraine - where is our money?
      20. Blondy
        Blondy 16 May 2014 08: 14
        0
        So maybe it’s better for them not to set up a buffer, but, with their views on the fight against fascism and terrorism, to engage in special operations, in the spirit of the Mossad.
        And then Kolomoisky with Yarosh and the like still feel very well.
      21. tolson2013
        tolson2013 16 May 2014 09: 14
        0
        no una hell ... a traitor, he is a traitor in Africa.
      22. tolson2013
        tolson2013 16 May 2014 09: 14
        0
        no una hell ... a traitor, he is a traitor in Africa.
      23. wolf7
        wolf7 16 May 2014 10: 55
        0
        Yes, as it were, to be more precise ... They are RUSSIAN Jews with all the consequences ..
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    3. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 15 May 2014 21: 47
      +15
      Quote: Reserve officer
      They are, of course, serious soldiers. But it seems to me that they get into their own business.

      Quite right. Their business is to liquidate the "fellow countrywoman" Kalo-moisky.
      1. Ased
        Ased 15 May 2014 21: 52
        +1
        The point is not theirs of course, but on the one hand they are our former compatriots, and on the other hand the third side (not Europe and not the USA)!
      2. Tanechka-clever
        Tanechka-clever 15 May 2014 22: 03
        +3
        "Their business to liquidate" - I agree - let them do useful
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    4. Spnsr
      Spnsr 15 May 2014 23: 08
      +6
      didn’t understand something ?, at first they shouted that they were ready to turn fascist fellows into dust, but now suddenly the rhetoric has changed! Do not insult me ​​if it goes to nationalities, but I have the impression that Kalomoisky is from the same pack. so, what does this turn out to be, are they ready to carry out the peacekeeping mission to protect the fascists at the moment when popular anger begins to gain momentum?
      the children sold out, I wonder for what sums or for what these Jews are ready to change their ostentatious views? no offense, citizens of non-Russian nationalities! here it is not an insult, but a statement of the fact that many can become Russian, confirmation of the presence of many and different surnames for the glory of Russian history, but these people can never be ranked among them.
      what is aliyah? I didn’t know and wouldn’t have known yet, had it not been for this advertising itself on their part, but in the name of what is it? to destroy fascism that rears its head? no! to protect the civilian population from the attack of the fascists? no! vryatli they will go contrary to their master - pin.dos.tanu! but to protect these fascists from the righteous growing popular anger is more like the truth. someone would tell them: do not disgrace yourself! all this fuss with the "peacekeeping mission" is more like an attempt by the Kalamoi under the name of "peacekeepers" to secure their own protection, and introduce another punitive detachment!
      fear the guys guys! the point is not that you still have the skills, but that if it goes as it looks and is described by me above, then you make the name Jew! better is not necessary, because in the end then it may not save the cries of anti-Semitism! Kalomoisky is disgusting, but there are not so many like him yet, do not overfill the bowl! ....
      1. andj61
        andj61 16 May 2014 06: 14
        0
        Quote: SpnSr
        so, what does this turn out to be, are they ready to carry out the peacekeeping mission to protect the fascists at the moment when popular anger begins to gain momentum?

        An incomplete battalion will not be able to protect anyone if the opposing sides are separated in the peacekeeping corps. In reality, the Nazi Guard and bloodsuckers are conducting some kind of actions, and peaceful people are dying, and those who are not involved in the events are drafted into the army, who lacked the spirit and ability to desert.
        In my opinion, this is a PR move, directed not outside, but inside Israel, and only in order to raise its authority. Nobody will offer Israel to be a peacemaker, and to use for this not the army, but private traders - all the more.
        1. Spnsr
          Spnsr 16 May 2014 09: 34
          0
          Quote: andj61
          In my opinion, this is a PR move, directed not outside, but inside Israel, and only in order to raise its authority. Nobody will offer Israel to be a peacemaker, and to use for this not the army, but private traders - all the more.

          may be! I heard on the radio, in passing truth, Solovyov’s broadcast, at first they were ready to go to fight with the Nazis raising their heads. now peacekeepers!
    5. strannik595
      strannik595 15 May 2014 23: 32
      +2
      Guys, it started! the night will be hot, Lord help Donbass, let everything pass a little blood!
      KIEV, May 15 - RIA Novosti. The People’s Governor of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, Pavel Gubarev, stated that if within an hour the Ukrainian security forces did not withdraw their troops and equipment from the territory of the DPR, then the militia would begin to destroy them, and announced the transition to martial law.

      "1 hour remaining until the ultimatum expires the Ukrainian invaders so that they remove illegal checkpoints and withdraw troops and equipment from the cities of Donbass. Otherwise - the total destruction of everyone: both the equipment and manpower of the fascists! "- he wrote on his Facebook page on Thursday.

      Gubarev warned residents of Donbass that a transition to martial law was taking place. "Residents of Donbass, if anyone has not yet understood, we are going to martial law," he wrote.
      1. MG42
        MG42 15 May 2014 23: 46
        +4
        Thursday, 15 May 2014, 20:52
        ATO cannot be stopped, despite the requests of local civil authorities, - Nalyvaichenko
        An anti-terrorist operation against sabotage groups operating in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions cannot be stopped.

        About this and live "Channel 5" said the chairman of the SBU


        http://www.unn.com.ua/uk/news/1343067-ato-pripinyati-ne-mozhna-sbu
    6. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 15 May 2014 23: 36
      +11
      Quote: Stock Officer
      They are, of course, serious soldiers. But it seems to me that they get into their own business.

      Since 2005, there is no "Alia" battalion. Several dozen people received a contract with the IDF, the rest have long been in civilian life. Guys, think about it, the officers who repatriated to Israel in the early 90s were at least 25 each, that is, they are now under 50 at least.
      But Ratner has been working with a security agency in recent years.
    7. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 16 May 2014 01: 31
      0
      I don’t understand!? You, the Jews, were wet a little? Auschwitz, in general in Germany. You are pragmatic people. Where again? Water your own? Honor by zeros. Khan Israel. If you don’t remember, we created it for you. And then again you will scream, we are poor Jews, help. Ugh.
    8. Orc-xnumx
      Orc-xnumx 16 May 2014 02: 37
      -3
      Quote: Stock Officer
      They are, of course, serious soldiers. But it seems to me that they get into their own business.
      First of all, they are Soviet officers!
      1. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey 16 May 2014 06: 49
        +3
        Soviet officers live in the Soviet Union, and these are foreign military personnel who will also carry "peace and democracy" with the help of weapons.
    9. mamont5
      mamont5 16 May 2014 05: 00
      +1
      Quote: Stock Officer
      They are, of course, serious soldiers. But it seems to me that they get into their own business.


      Yes, the question is, what are their goals? They say that to divide the warring parties with a buffer, and at what border? They will stand near Slavyansk and Kramotorsk - that’s what they divided.
    10. Sasha_Bykov
      Sasha_Bykov 16 May 2014 06: 56
      0
      I AGREE, ONLY RUSSIA AND ITS ARMY CAN TAKE ORDER IN UKRAINE.
  2. smart75
    smart75 15 May 2014 21: 41
    -2
    A very good idea. Let pravoseki try to fight them
    1. Truth-lover
      Truth-lover 15 May 2014 23: 43
      +3
      What for??? Do you think that they are better than those Russians who are now fighting in the east ???
  3. strannik595
    strannik595 15 May 2014 21: 42
    +2
    no, guys, they’ll figure it out without you, Russia will find a way, maintain order or do you have problems with the Arabs? ... although, thanks for the indifferent attitude to the fight against the Nazis
  4. ksv500
    ksv500 15 May 2014 21: 43
    +6
    Separation, no matter how blasphemous it may sound, is not in the interests of the people of Ukraine. The junta itself will not surrender, the troops will not withdraw and does not leave the Donetsk team a choice. How not to bitterly realize, without blood will not do. But only in this way can Ukraine be freed from neo-fascists
    1. Yura
      Yura 15 May 2014 22: 02
      0
      Quote: ksv500
      Separation, no matter how blasphemous it may sound, is not in the interests of the people of Ukraine.

      I wanted to say something similar, I was thinking how to do it more tactfully, but you already said everything, so I just join your opinion.
    2. Manul
      Manul 15 May 2014 22: 46
      +1
      Quote: ksv500
      Separation, no matter how blasphemous it may sound, is not in the interests of the people of Ukraine.

      This is not a separation. This is a separation from the Nazi scum. And it should happen through the universal separation of Ukraine from this abomination. That is, there is a complete split between the people and the junta. Only so can Ukraine remain united. So minus you for offering to put up with what is happening .
      1. Yura
        Yura 15 May 2014 23: 00
        +1
        Quote: Manul
        for what you propose to put up with what is happening.
        The junta itself will not surrender, the troops will not withdraw and does not leave the Donetsk team a choice. How not to bitterly realize, without blood will not do. But only in this way can Ukraine be freed from neo-fascists
        Well, where is the offer put up? But if you put a buffer between them, then it will be more difficult to get to the Nazis, and the likelihood that they will build a fascist state, albeit in a truncated country, is almost guaranteed. In the commentary, as I understood it, it was meant that the Ukrainian people, without third parties, must deal with Bandera and fascists if they want to keep the state united. No need to rush to conclusions.
      2. Yura
        Yura 15 May 2014 23: 18
        +1
        Actually, I was thinking about this, let's say the Crimea creates a serious army of volunteers, equips, equips tanks, rocket launchers, helicopters, provides air cover with attack aircraft, bombers and invades Ukraine and right up to Kiev. Here it may turn out that the West will demand Putin to stop, for sure they will express "aggression", to which he can respond, you do not recognize Crimea as part of Russia, so I cannot seem to order them, I will admit I will give an order to return the units back. I represent their elongated faces, but while the proceedings are underway, the case will already be done.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 16 May 2014 06: 38
          +6
          And the Ossetian-Abkhaz battalions for international diversity! And to the western border!
    3. Spnsr
      Spnsr 15 May 2014 23: 18
      +1
      Quote: ksv500
      Separation, no matter how blasphemous it may sound, is not in the interests of the people of Ukraine. The junta itself will not surrender, the troops will not withdraw and does not leave the Donetsk team a choice. How not to bitterly realize, without blood will not do. But only in this way can Ukraine be freed from neo-fascists

      But what if, under the name "peacekeeping", Kalomoisky pulls up his guards and another punitive detachment?
      1. Yura
        Yura 15 May 2014 23: 21
        0
        Quote: SpnSr
        But what if, under the name "peacekeeping", Kalomoisky pulls up his guards and another punitive detachment?

        It is unlikely that this is so, although everything can be.
        1. Spnsr
          Spnsr 15 May 2014 23: 50
          +1
          Quote: Jura
          Quote: SpnSr
          But what if, under the name "peacekeeping", Kalomoisky pulls up his guards and another punitive detachment?

          It is unlikely that this is so, although everything can be.

          their rhetoric has changed, at first they were ready to go volunteers, to wet the Natsiks, and now, to become peacekeepers!
  5. Bassoon
    Bassoon 15 May 2014 21: 46
    +2
    On the one hand, these guys will let the National Guard, the law-cutters, and also the under-battalions of Kalomoisky and other oligarchs get well. And on the other, it is unlikely that the people of Donbass will approve
  6. Giant thought
    Giant thought 15 May 2014 21: 47
    +1
    Of course, they are serious soldiers, but Israeli soldiers should not be launched into Ukraine, i.e. internationalize the confrontation process in Ukraine, it will not end in anything good, believe my experience.
    1. Truth-lover
      Truth-lover 15 May 2014 23: 47
      +1
      hmmm .... And what are some examples of non-internationalized, so to speak intraspecific conflicts that ended painlessly for the opposing sides?
  7. studentmati
    studentmati 15 May 2014 21: 53
    +2
    The Israeli battalion "Aliya", formed from the former Soviet security forces, is ready to restore order in the south-east of Ukraine

    What is it like? As part of the gratuitous help? But ammunition, weapons, ammunition, food and cash allowance to the battalion is issued by the government of the country containing the battalion, or someone else ?. Food and cartridges themselves do not materialize out of nothing. Any nonsense? Therefore, the Israeli government is taken to restore order in Ukraine?
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  9. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 15 May 2014 22: 01
    +8
    There is nothing for them to do there - in the Donbass militias will cope without them. Enough is one Jewish citizen of Israel, Kolomoisky, through whose fault the blood pours today in Ukraine
    1. smart75
      smart75 15 May 2014 22: 05
      -4
      Do not confuse Israelis with Jews
  10. 1goose3
    1goose3 15 May 2014 22: 05
    +4
    We are not going to fight on any side. We want to split the parties with a buffer so that the parties stop fighting.

    Good intentions. And if they were carried out at the stage when the Bandera began to strangle, kill the Russian-speaking population, this would be one. But when they drank blood, when the oppressed, the killed rose and began to fight back, such an intervention looks like an attempt to save the right-Bandera trash.
    1. smile
      smile 15 May 2014 23: 13
      +1
      1goose3
      If I am not mistaken, they proposed this even before the tragedy in Odessa. By the way, SEI will not go to Kiev - twice as much. The main goal of the SEI is not to let the fascists enter and defend their right to live the way they want. In this regard, the proposal coincides with the goals of the SEI.
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  12. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 15 May 2014 22: 05
    -1
    But honestly, it’s better.
  13. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 15 May 2014 22: 10
    +10
    Muddy guys ... What are the motives? Remember your homeland? But their homeland is where the fuck is warm (as it seemed to them before aliyah). Peacekeepers? There are troops under the auspices of the UN and a legally approved procedure for the introduction of peacekeepers. It is not clear to the end the purpose of their arrival in the conflict area.
  14. Arkan
    Arkan 15 May 2014 22: 12
    +4
    Let them not get into our problems, if they want to help, let them deal with their fellow tribesmen in Ukraine, guilty of this situation, with the same Kolomoisky, for example.
  15. Ilkhan
    Ilkhan 15 May 2014 22: 17
    +3
    Oh, the guys wouldn’t get into their own business! Otherwise, again the Jews will be to blame for everything. After all, we do not send our peacekeepers to Judea and Samaria?
  16. Russian German65
    Russian German65 15 May 2014 22: 21
    +2
    Let them sit in their Israel ...... this is the land of the Russians ... and only the Russians understand ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 15 May 2014 22: 28
      +5
      Quote: Russian German65
      Let them sit in their Israel ...... this is the land of the Russians ... and only the Russians understand ...

      Well, why ... Odessa will "mature" before the referendum, let them come then! The most it will be! There is also a lot of work there!
      1. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey 16 May 2014 06: 51
        -1
        But Odessa seems to have worn itself out, buried and will silently remember the dead, and the Kalomoisky Jew will do whatever he wants, and in Odessa he achieved his goals, as in his inheritance, whom he bought, whom he intimidated.
  17. ilimk0
    ilimk0 15 May 2014 22: 26
    +1
    Jews can’t fight against Russians - Jews can’t resist cleaning up from Ukrainian Natsiks)))
  18. gispanec
    gispanec 15 May 2014 22: 35
    +3
    And again, there are no comments from the professor ... our army .... and other gibberish ... from keyboard keyboards .... well, now their position is clear to me .... I am almost sure that they support Benya Kolomoits .... or let refuted ....
    1. Manul
      Manul 15 May 2014 22: 52
      0
      Quote: gispanec
      And again there are no comments from the professor

      laughing Oh, you know, he himself wondered - where is our professor? Why does he appear only where we can stick another splinter under the skin? hi
  19. jovanni
    jovanni 15 May 2014 22: 36
    +3
    Thank you, of course, if you really want to help. But ... Once upon a time they left here forever. Let for a serious reason. But this does not mean that they can return here with weapons and in the form of an arbitrator. Let them figure it out first with their fellow tribesmen. Those that do not disdain to feed the Nazis.
  20. razv35
    razv35 15 May 2014 22: 40
    +3
    There is information that in the future it was planned to transfer the state of Jews from Israel to Crimea. I don’t remember exactly where I read about it ... (and this week). And now this article ... An interesting picture is looming
    1. Yura
      Yura 15 May 2014 23: 25
      +1
      Stalin was offered to create this state in Crimea, but he sent them away and as a result, Israel is where it is now.
  21. Larsen
    Larsen 15 May 2014 22: 44
    +2
    A couple of questions.
    - What are the boundaries of the "separation" of the parties?
    - who can authorize the "invitation" or whose "invitation" will suffice?
    And what if, for example, the DPR "invites" for the purpose of "dividing the parties", indicating in the "invitation" the line of division exactly along the administrative borders with the Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov regions?
    I would invite and provide everyone with the necessary contentment as befits the border service.
  22. bubalik
    bubalik 15 May 2014 22: 44
    +15
    “Dad,” asked little Sarochka from Odessa, “can the Lord allow me to send a valentine card to a person who belongs to another religion?

    “I think so,” answered daddy, a middle-aged Jew. - And to whom would you like to send a Valentine?

    - Alexander Turchinov

    - Alexander Turchinov?!?!?! asked the shocked father.

    - But why?

    “Well,” said Sarochka, “imagine: Turchinov receives a valentine with a declaration of love from a little Jewish girl. He will start to think
    that not everyone in Odessa is so bad, and will love the world a little more. And then, when he gets a few more "valentines", he realizes that the Southeast is really beautiful, and he finally stops being frustrated and publicly admits his mistakes.

    “Sarochka,” said his deeply moved father, “this is the most beautiful thing I have ever heard ...”

    - I know, daddy, - answered Sarochka. "And when he stops hiding from the people, our militias will finally shoot this with ### ..." request
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 15 May 2014 23: 07
      +7
      Sergey, bravo! It’s a pity that I can only give you one plus.
  23. Diter
    Diter 15 May 2014 22: 45
    0
    For reference. From the history of the emergence of the state of Israel. Some of the first settlers arrived in the territory of modern Israel with the assistance of the German Nazis during WW2, this was the so-called. operation "Transfer". Representatives of the Zionist organizations traveled to the camps together with the SS men and, for some reason, selected Jews to be sent to Palestine. If I'm not mistaken, about 10 thousand were sent. Many descendants of the first settlers, who consider themselves Israelis of the highest class, have portraits of Hitler. Considering European Jews to be fake Jews, they approved of their extermination. At present, people from different countries occupy different social positions. Below immigrants from Russia, only immigrants from African countries. You can read more about this in the books of the Jewish writer Lev Gunin.
    Here is a link to one of the sites with his stories: http://www.balandin.net/Gunin/GulagPalestiny01.htm
    1. Flexsus
      Flexsus 15 May 2014 23: 11
      +2
      The most terrible fascism in Israel.
      here is one of the definitions of fascism.
      Fascism is one of the types of culture of public self-government, possible only in a crowd of "elite" society. Fascism is one of the expressions of psychic Trotskyism.

      The essence of fascism as such, regardless of how you call it, what ideas it covers and how it exercises power in society, is the active support by the crowd of “little people” - according to the ideological conviction of themselves - the system of abuse of power by the “elite” oligarchy, which:

      represents unrighteousness as supposedly true “righteousness,” and on this basis, distorting the worldview of people, with all its power it cultivates unrighteousness in society, preventing people from becoming a person;
      under various pretexts, with all her power, suppresses everyone and everyone who doubts the righteousness of her own and her policies, and also suppresses those whom she suspects.
      The crowd, by the definition of V. G. Belinsky, is “a collection of people living according to tradition and reasoning according to authority” (in the definition of A. Pushkin, “people are meaningless” [1]), i.e. crowd - a multitude of individuals living shamelessly and essentially thoughtlessly - automatically or under the control of the behavior of its representatives from the outside. And it does not matter whether the ruling oligarchy speaks publicly and ceremonially, being extolled over society; either extolled by default or in an unconscious pride, publicly portraying humility and service to the crowd, calling it people; or acts secretly, assuring society of its supposedly non-existence and, accordingly, “non-existence”, of its inaction, as a result of which everything in the life of society flows supposedly “by itself”, and not purposefully according to the scripts of conceptually powerful curators of the oligarchy [2].

      This definition-description of fascism does not include frightening and striking signs of its manifestations in action: symbolism; an ideology calling for violence and the annihilation of those whom the masters of fascism have designated as irreparable social evil; calls for the creation of political parties with strict discipline and a system of terror, militias, etc. Much has been said about the misanthropic essence of fascism on the basis of the lesson taught by all German fascism. As a result of the horror of German fascism 1945 - 1933 that became negatively cult. the given definition may seem to some to be lightweight, divorced from real life (abstract), and therefore not meeting the task of protecting the future from the threat of fascism. In reality, this very definition is the definition of fascism in essence, and not according to the place of origin and not according to the peculiarities of its formation and manifestation in the life of society, which distinguishes it qualitatively from most of the "definitions" of "fascism" given by different explanatory and encyclopedic dictionaries . Understanding the essence of fascism as a system of misanthropy is impossible without understanding the essence of man, i.e. without identifying those features that distinguish a held person from a humanoid that did not take place as a person; and also without revealing those features that distinguish the species "Homo sapiens" in all its races from animal species in the biosphere of the Earth. In other words, if in culture there is no concept of the types of personality psyche structure, the essence of fascism cannot be revealed as a system of misanthropy, and society remains almost defenseless against the threat of its way of life becoming a fascism. In addition, the horrors of the transition to a stable fascism in the continuity of generations are the horrors of the emergence of fascism (possibly in some new kind of fascism), and not the horrors of fascism as such.
    2. Yura
      Yura 15 May 2014 23: 34
      +3
      Quote: Diter
      Below immigrants from Russia, only immigrants from African countries.

      Ordinary fascism, only caste in India is cooler.
  24. tomcat117
    tomcat117 15 May 2014 23: 00
    +4
    Roman Ratner: "We want to divide the parties in the Donbass buffer"

    Another assistant from an unknown uncle, is this not an Akademi branch?
    There is nothing to breed dregs.
    Roma is probably a good person, but it seems that the Donbass himself will cope with this task better.
    Help while your fellow countrymen in Odessa from fellow countryman Kolomoisky.
  25. typhoon7
    typhoon7 15 May 2014 23: 02
    +3
    How volunteers can come. But if they enter as the troops of a foreign state, not many will return to their homeland, this is history. Russia will not look at it. If they think that they can overpower our specialist volunteers (I am silent about the army), then they need to go down from heaven to our sinful land.
  26. avia1991
    avia1991 15 May 2014 23: 05
    +4
    Oh guys, how cool you are! .. If you really want to help, do a good deed: get to your fellow countrywoman, Kolomoisky, and lower him quietly down the drain! And you immediately rehabilitate the Jews - he dishonored the honest title of the sons of Israel! Yes, stained with blood ..
  27. dik-fort
    dik-fort 15 May 2014 23: 07
    +4
    It is interesting to know how the Aliya battalion will carry out the peacekeeping mission, observing "neutrality"? Suppose they receive an invitation from the DPR, come to Slavyansk and stand between Mount Karachun and Slavyansk? So the Ukrop troops will shoot them there with direct fire, and this is where their mission ends. In short, all this blah-blah-blah, the self-promotion of Aliya's battalion, everything is furnished with pretexts "if", official Kiev will not call them, they have no international status, and they are not going to fight specifically against the fascists. There is only one conclusion, the guys are filling their own worth and are engaged in demagoguery, dummies.
  28. crambol
    crambol 15 May 2014 23: 14
    -2
    Quote: Manul
    Well said! They decided to become a buffer in the Donbass, the brains. They would go to the Maidan in February, and get up with a buffer between the hordes of goblins and the Golden Eagle. Also to me - there were defenders.


    Do not spit, dear, in those who want to help. Why don’t you help yourself?
  29. tokin1959
    tokin1959 15 May 2014 23: 25
    +2
    "Aliyam" has nothing to do in eastern Ukraine.
    at your own expense go chtoli? who will support you? Kalomoisky?
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    2. Baloo
      Baloo 16 May 2014 00: 41
      +1
      stop tokin1959: I agree with you. What happens, in addition to the merikash mercenaries, there will be shrew mercenaries. Which side? On the side of ordinary citizens who want to live in peace and prosperity, raise children. to enjoy life?
      Now I understand the position of GDP. Colleagues, agree that if it were not for the GDP and his team, the same would be with Russia: the Ural Republic, the Far Eastern Republic, etc. The battle for Slavensk is associated with the largest shale gas field? Kalomoisky wants to clean up Dneprozhidovsk, Donbass, Odessa with its ports, including base of the navy?
      The people of Ukraine do not need mercenaries, they must stop jumping and decide their fate themselves. The thief must be in prison, murderers and scum at the expense. hi
  30. jgthfnjh
    jgthfnjh 15 May 2014 23: 28
    +1
    Nekhai come and deal with their only-begotten Kolomoisky.
  31. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 15 May 2014 23: 28
    +1
    The only way to divide the parties, to become border guards in New Russia, it is unlikely they have this in mind. And so it turns out another side of the conflict and they will fly from everyone. Pretty naive in general, everyone knows where the road paved with good intentions is paved. Unless of course there is some kind of Jewish cunning plan to participate in the section of Ukraine, which will not surprise for a second. For example, to occupy Odessa and declare a free city under the protection of Israel, or Mariupol with a port and metallurgy, in general, now the time is such that enterprising people with weapons and connections can achieve a lot.
  32. rotfuks
    rotfuks 15 May 2014 23: 47
    +4
    About the composition of the "Aliya" battalion. Created from repatriates who left in the 90s and former officers of the Soviet Army with the rank of colonels and generals. In the 90s, I also quit as a senior. Now I am 55 years old. And in the battalion, a quote ...... serious and responsible adults aged 35-45 years old, with extensive combat experience ..... I do not understand, having Chechen and Afghan combat experience have become so younger ?????
  33. Palych9999
    Palych9999 15 May 2014 23: 48
    0
    This is bullshit ...
  34. siberalt
    siberalt 15 May 2014 23: 53
    +4
    Kulikov is a Jew? Oh, do not tell my slippers! laughing And even more funny that thousands of Russian officers fled to them ... laughing laughing : laughing
    Well yes! In our USSR, almost every dental technician was listed as a military lieutenant in case of war, not counting accountants and warehouse managers - members of the CPSU. Toda, yes!
  35. Ivanzloj
    Ivanzloj 15 May 2014 23: 54
    +1
    Let them defend their "new-found country".
  36. baku1999
    baku1999 15 May 2014 23: 54
    +1
    THERE IS ANOTHER THESE LADIES THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH !!!! WHOM THEY WILL HELP, KHOLOMOJSKY ???????????
  37. Polarfox
    Polarfox 16 May 2014 00: 00
    +2
    Quote: tokin1959
    at your own expense go chtoli?

    On "Alternative" they write that at their own expense. "Aliya" does not need financial assistance.

    I wrote about "Alia" on the website novorus.info. There, Judophobia overwhelms, commentators look at Kolomoisky and his bragging about the possibilities of the Jewish community. They do not expect "Aliya" there and are not going to invite. To me, as a fresh person, the negative attitude towards the Israeli peacekeepers seemed wild. Bandera are going to hang Jews on lanterns. Donetsk residents say - down with the Jews. Kolomoisky is a Bandera Jew. Full of bedlam. "Alia" does not promise punitive actions, "Alia" seeks to preserve peace and order, I read a long article on "Alternative". These people, at their own peril and risk (official Israel does not sanction their mission and does not support, while maintaining neutrality) want to help stop the bloodshed by standing between Donetsk and Kiev. What's wrong with that? Now any delimitation of the civilian population from the Kiev punishers saves lives. And is it important. For in a military-political conflict, human life is devalued. Plus to everything - the protracted nature of the confrontation, inevitably giving rise to the second stage - sabotage activities in the rear of the "enemy". And these are new deaths and new tragic "accidents" staged by unscrupulous pravosek people. "Alia" could serve as peacekeeping.

    In general, I do not understand what is happening to people. Since when has nationality become the leading criterion for assessing a person? Doctors Rosenberg have been reading, or what?

    If anything, I am an ethnic German who considers herself Russian, because my family from Catherine the Great lives in Russia and professes Orthodoxy. But - I am a Soviet internationalist, unacceptable for any discrimination on ethnic grounds. This is for those who want to accuse me of sympathizing with the "Jews". What a disgusting word.
  38. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 16 May 2014 00: 10
    +2
    cheap PR. They can get there if ... ... and a bunch of incredible conditions. So there is no risk of getting caught. And PR is in full swing, the whole world is talking about them. So you've been chewing on another quirk from people from the "holy land" for a long time.

    "I do not believe !!!"
  39. kelevra
    kelevra 16 May 2014 00: 15
    0
    It is somewhat reminiscent of the situation of the Great Patriotic War. White and former tsarist officers also fled after the revolution, and then created the "Special Headquarters Russia". When the war began, they were used for agent and intelligence activities, and then they were entrusted with sabotage in the rear of the USSR.
  40. samuil60
    samuil60 16 May 2014 00: 17
    +3
    Guys, if anyone does not know about fascism: fascism - from the word "fasci" - that is, a bunch, a broom. The movement began as a confrontation with the growing strength of Zionism, a reactionary Jewish movement aimed at seizing world power. Hitler was never a fascist, he was a National Socialist (this is what the party he created was called). The entire top of Hitlerite Germany consisted of half-blood Jews. And they destroyed their fellow tribesmen in concentration camps in order to accuse the Jews who had gone to them on the occasion of the Germans of genocide after the war, and then to create the state of Israel with the help of the League of Nations. Hitler's regime was financed and brought to power by large Jewish banking houses both in the United States (Jacob Schiff and others like them) and in Europe. All this is documented, but, naturally, is not widely advertised. Therefore, it is not surprising that the current national-fascist sabbath in Ukraine is run almost exclusively by Jews. It's only the beginning! And the Israeli detachment gathered in Ukraine at the same time and not by accident. And the fact that ordinary Jews are dying - their compatriots-oligarchs do not give a damn: more than once or twice in the history of the world, the lives of ordinary Jews, and even more so - people of other faiths and nationalities were endangered to achieve the goals (and profits) of the world financial behind the scenes.
  41. gammipapa
    gammipapa 16 May 2014 00: 25
    +2
    Why the hell aren't needed there.
  42. Komrad.Garik
    Komrad.Garik 16 May 2014 00: 41
    +1
    What language to wag, just ready - you have to go. 200 trunks will not be superfluous. Yes, and another positive example. One Donetsk fighters do not take Lviv.
  43. pvv113
    pvv113 16 May 2014 00: 45
    +5
    It is not good for Jews to get into a Christian showdown
    1. Nikotin13
      Nikotin13 16 May 2014 01: 57
      +1
      In this case, we are talking about the Slavic World, what does religion have to do with it?
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    3. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 16 May 2014 06: 25
      0
      Quote: pvv113
      It is not good for Jews to get into a Christian showdown

      Hold banderlogov for Christians?
  44. Markusmooon
    Markusmooon 16 May 2014 01: 19
    0
    Quote: ASed
    Or maybe the idea is not bad?
    I know Jews well, and I very much share their views on fascism!

    Kolomoisky (Benya) also creates
  45. dzau
    dzau 16 May 2014 01: 23
    0
    Quote: Polarfox
    I wrote about "Aliya" on the website novorus.info. There, Judophobia overwhelms, commentators look at Kolomoisky and his bragging about the possibilities of the Jewish community. They do not expect "Aliya" there and are not going to invite. To me, as a fresh person, the negative attitude towards the Israeli peacekeepers seemed wild.

    And the fact that every mongrel from around the corner of the hillock is trying to climb onto Russian soil does not seem wild to you.

    Quote: Polarfox
    "Alia" does not promise punitive actions, "Alia" seeks to preserve peace and order, I read a long article on "Alternative". These people (...) want to help stop the bloodshed by standing between Donetsk and Kiev. What's wrong with that?

    It was necessary to help when these caring people fell from the destroyed country, joyfully flashing their heels. And not now, when - no matter how cynical it sounds - there is only a return of the territories.

    This, in fact, is the essence of what is happening. Why the hell are there all sorts of ali-wali tili-trawls, obses and other shelupon? If the situation requires the introduction of troops, there will be Russian troops.

    **
    Quote: Polarfox
    "Alia" could serve as peacekeeping. (...) Since when has nationality become the leading criterion for assessing a person? (...) for those wishing to accuse me of sympathizing with the "Jews". What a disgusting word.

    It was necessary to "serve as security" in 96 in Chechnya. And Yugoslavia. Are there many like they did to us? They didn't do nihren there. Instead of these cadre gentlemen, 18-year-old boys went to the coffins: gentlemen *** went as soon as possible to their native Israel. In Yugoslavia, similar comrades with the emblems of peacekeepers helped cut Slavs like us into organs.

    No buffers are needed with Natsik: scum must be crushed. Further, not limited to the Donbass.

    As for nationality: you’ll excuse me, but the whole story of the fat-bellied company conducting the orchestra, through one - Kolomoisky, Kernes, Khodorkovsky and small capitals. Moreover, this whole scum was soooo *** that it openly organizes a massacre against Russians, assigns price tags to their heads and approves it on camera.

    After the 90s, people even had difficulty trusting their compatriots. And to those who, at the first schucher, drape abroad, wrap their own, raking millions on other people's bones, or without hesitation sell them to an uncle from overseas ...

    An unpleasant word, probably. But it reflects the essence correctly. In Russian, there are no words "just like that".

    **
    And on the topic - chatter and show off. The chatter is from these Jewish "military type". And show off - in the already habitual licking of the "glorious history of the Tsakhal". The one who was bulldozing high-rise buildings. With sleeping civilians.

    The buffer itself will not be out of place there. No worse than a rabbit with a pastor, the Arab population is hammering with artillery and aircraft. There were also peacekeepers. Still, NATO and the Bundeswehr drove.
  46. Sedoy13
    Sedoy13 16 May 2014 02: 22
    -2
    The main thing is to stop the bloodshed now. The proposal for a buffer separation of the warring parties meets this goal. The peaceful people of the southeast will be able to sleep peacefully at night and not be afraid that a mortar shell will explode in his bedroom. Therefore, with both hands for such an offer of our Israeli friends! And for those who still do not have enough blood and revenge on the pages and screens of our media, I propose to take AKM into our own hands and really help our brothers in the Donetsk Republic, and not to blame good intentions, once again discussing a sore subject.
  47. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 16 May 2014 02: 44
    0
    Maybe even they will cleanse the face of Kalomoisky and direct it in the right direction!
  48. regul10108
    regul10108 16 May 2014 02: 59
    -2
    The intentions of these guys are worthy of respect! If Russia, in the matter of protecting its compatriots, began to chew snot and confine itself to not quite intelligible statements, then these guys, I think, will be able to put things in order!
  49. Vlom
    Vlom 16 May 2014 04: 08
    +1
    The intentions of these guys are simple, like a copper shekel. Officially infiltrate urkaina and become the personal guard of moysha kalomoysky. Legitimate Guard, legal. You read comments - how many stupid shkoloty on a forum! Age qualification must be entered request under 25 years old - all on ..y, discuss transformers. Degraders are the Pepsi generation.
  50. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 16 May 2014 05: 32
    +1
    This is not the military - purely Bandera. It has become bad for the Motherland, we are on the run and Israel has done the right thing for you, for having betrayed once, this is no longer a person. To Africa you, there and fight, mercenaries.
    1. Military surgeon
      Military surgeon 7 June 2014 20: 12
      0
      Well ..... you understand me!