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The United States returns plants "home"

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Western corporations are changing the way they work in the international market, and return production to "home". In particular, such trends are manifested in trade and economic relations between the United States and China: American companies are gradually phasing out production in the Middle Kingdom, and are reorienting to the American labor market. Beijing, meanwhile, is trying to patronize national corporations, and creates artificial barriers for foreigners.

History in brief

After the death of Mao Zedong in 1976, the leadership of mainland China began to implement a policy of integrating the country into the world economy. This led to unprecedented success: the Celestial Empire developed at a staggering pace, rapidly escaping from the category of third world countries, and reached almost the same heights as the most powerful states. The fact is that cheap labor from China has become available to foreign investors: they transferred their factories and plants from the USA and Europe to the Celestial, turning it into a new workshop in the world.

The relocation of the production center from the West to the East radically changed the entire system of international economic relations. In China, labor-intensive and environmentally friendly enterprises were concentrated, since Beijing practically did not require companies to adhere to some environmental and occupational safety standards. In the West, there are, for the most part, managers - various “effective managers”, as well as financiers. In their hands were all the proceeds from the sale of goods manufactured in China.

However, despite the fact that most of the revenues did not "settle" in the Middle Kingdom, Beijing gained substantial benefits from the inflow of foreign capital. We are talking about modern technologies: Chinese specialists surprisingly quickly mastered the secrets of production in several sectors of the national economy at once. Of course, not without mistakes, over time, China has established the release of its own goods of various types, ranging from internal combustion engines and ending with portable electronic devices.

Also, the PRC at the expense of foreigners managed to feed its population and provide it with work. This contributed to the stabilization of the country: the hungry and unemployed masses are dangerous for any government. In turn, the West, thanks to China, overcame the effects of the economic crisis of the 70s.

Over the next several decades, the rapid growth of the global economy was ensured by the fact that India and the countries of Southeast Asia followed the example of the PRC and favored Western corporations in every way. It is interesting that in Great Britain and the United States economic growth is considered to be the merit of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, deliberately or unknowingly keeping silent about the importance of hardworking Asians.

Deep crisis in the West

At the end of the “zero” source of growth due to Asia was almost exhausted. In terms of economic development and quality of life, the East has become like the West, and no longer agrees to play the role of a production site: Beijing, like other Asian capitals, wants to be similar to the business centers of the United States and Europe, which control a lot of assets abroad. The cost of China’s workforce has increased along with the consumer needs of the citizens of the republic, and the maintenance of production capacity in China for Western companies becomes unprofitable.

Modern economic trends in Asian countries are comparable to those processes that occurred in Europe, the United States and the USSR in the second half of the 20 century, when national economies stabilized and a full life came, known in the Soviet Union as the "era of stagnation." It should be expected that China will also have its “stagnation”: it is almost at the peak of production capacity, and it can no longer, and does not want to maintain the record rates of development of the national economy.

For the United States, this situation is unprofitable. The Celestial Empire loses productivity and is no longer guided by quality, but by trying to produce less, but better. Chinese workers have become “too smart,” and they demand that employers respect their rights, as well as raise wages in accordance with the new standards of living. In such conditions, the growth of the business of Western corporations is slowing down, and they can no longer rely on their strength — all in Asia for a long time. This partly explains the last protracted economic crisis, the ghost of which still haunts European economists.

Against this background, America is trying to revive the industry - the pillar of a stable national economy. After the transfer of production to Asian countries in the USA, the population of entire cities dependent on the welfare of local enterprises remained without work. The “rusty belt” of the United States - depressed de-industrialized townships - runs across the territory of several northern states, and is almost under the nose of Washington.

There are problems with unemployment in America. Modern post-industrial society does not need working hands, there is enough of a small cohort of specialists to carry out operations and maintain infrastructure. However, freed citizens are not always resigned to the fact that they are thrown on the sidelines of life under one pretext or another, and at times pose a serious threat to internal security.

Finally, the United States is preparing for a global confrontation with China, and in recent years has been moving rapidly towards its borders. But how to start the cold war with the Middle Kingdom, if your enemy controls the heart of your national industry - hundreds of factories and plants? It is precisely for this reason that the war between the United States and China now seems impossible, except that Beijing wants to launch a preemptive strike and starts nationalizing American property, or it will in every way impede the activities of foreign companies. True, such actions of the PRC are unprofitable, and the leaders of the Celestial Empire are unlikely to dare to start the conflict first.

In general, China will lose a lot if Western countries begin to withdraw production from Asia. It is difficult to predict what problems the Celestial Empire will face if it loses its foreign-owned factories and plants, but now we can talk about the growth of unemployment and the reduction of economic growth.

Russia's interest

What benefits can Russia gain from emerging trends? The rupture of economic ties between China and the United States will play into our hands. As China once acted on the principle of the “wise monkey”, Russia should not interfere in the impending conflict, watching how its participants lose their strength. No need to indulge yourself with the illusion that China urgently needs to be rescued - in the long run it poses a threat to the Russian Far East, and the Kremlin needs to achieve its maximum weakening. In the end, it would be useful for the Russian Federation if the position of Russia prevails in the Moscow-Beijing tandem.

The same applies to the United States: it will take a lot of time and effort to return the factories to the “homeland”. In addition, the United States will be able to implement a more decisive policy towards the PRC, which will tie their hands, and Russia will have a unique opportunity to deal with problems in Eastern Europe and the Middle East.

In general, the looming economic confrontation between the United States and China will for a long time distract both of these states from problems that are not directly related to the conflict. Until the cold war between Beijing and Washington has begun, Russia will have to withstand some pressure; however, after two or three years, the United States will switch to a new victim, and the spring will open up - at the same time Moscow will be able to regain its former influence in conditions when its actions are practically ignored and, moreover, in the hope of finding a powerful ally, they even offer Russia Become a member of an alliance.
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  1. sergey72
    sergey72 15 May 2014 08: 47
    +3
    The author is trying to say - "Rusty Belt" comes to life?
    If so, where did the money come from?
    1. 0255
      0255 15 May 2014 08: 59
      +8
      Quote: sergey72
      The author is trying to say - "Rusty Belt" comes to life?
      If so, where did the money come from?

      Maybe from the Ukrainian gold reserves exported to the United States?
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 15 May 2014 10: 17
        +5
        Quote: 0255
        Maybe from the Ukrainian gold reserves exported to the United States?


        These are crumbs. Not even enough for Ukraine, not like the United States.
    2. woron333444
      woron333444 15 May 2014 11: 06
      +2
      The United States owes China more than 800 trillion greens. If China requires debt, then it will be necessary to give back the territory, since there is not enough gold reserves.
      1. Fregate
        Fregate 15 May 2014 11: 27
        +8
        Quote: woron333444
        800 trillion green.

        Where did you get this figure? The US has a debt of 17 or 18 trillion greens. And they should China ~ 1,3 trillion. greens.
      2. Praetorian
        Praetorian 15 May 2014 11: 33
        +2
        No matter how much they owe to China, we must remember that the dollar does not have gold collateral. Simply put, China has no right to demand the return of debts in gold. Only in dollars.
        1. Beck
          Beck 15 May 2014 20: 45
          +1
          Quote: Praetorian
          it must be remembered that the dollar does not have gold security.


          But do not tell me what current currencies of the world are provided with gold? There are no such currencies in the world. Or are the yuan and the ruble provided?

          The practice of providing currencies with the entire wealth of the republic has sunk into oblivion after 2 MB. Now currencies live some kind of paper life of their own, which only people with financial education understand.
          1. postman
            postman 15 May 2014 21: 45
            +5
            Quote: Beck
            There are no such currencies in the world.

            Yes, today in the world no currencies in full secured by gold.
            1.Leader: Lebanese Pound
            According to the Bank of Lebanon, the value of gold reserves is equal to 50% of the country's money supply.
            2. The Swiss constitutional requirement to maintain a 40 percent level of gold supply to the national currency -FICTION
            Gold accounting: 142,9 Swiss francs ($ 96,4) per troy ounce, despite the fact that the cost of gold on the free market in those years was at least twice as high!

            This price - $ 96,4 per ounce - was fixed by a special decree of the government, adopted in an emergency manner in 1971 the year after the "gold standard" - the convertibility of the dollar into gold - was canceled in the USA with the easy hand of President Nixon

            The conditional "gold cover" of the Swiss currency is approximately 9,5%.

            3. The gold security of the Russian ruble is 6% (according to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation)

            4. Mongolian Tugrik: Gold covers about 5% of the money supply of Mongolia.
            .
            XX. Japan's conditional gold plating ... is about 0,45%
            1. I do not care
              I do not care 15 May 2014 22: 13
              +3
              Quote: Postman
              Yes, today in the world there are no currencies fully secured by gold.

              there are currencies secured by no less valuable goods.
              UAE, Venezuela, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Russia.
              1. postman
                postman 16 May 2014 00: 20
                0
                Quote: me by
                there are currencies secured by at least

                talk about gold.
                and so yes, 85% of the world production of palladium = Russia
                (main mining areas)

                from 267 tons in 2007,141 mined in Russia.
                It’s interesting: sanctions and so on squeak about oil and gas ("we will not take from Russia"), but about PALLADIUM - silence.
                The stump is clear, without it, neither Euro-6 (exhaust) nor hydrogen can be cleaned, nor a pacemaker
            2. Beck
              Beck 15 May 2014 22: 51
              +1
              Quote: Postman
              Yes, today in the world there are no currencies fully secured by gold.


              Well, I'm not a financier. And I understand the history of gold supply as follows.

              Until the 19th century, the world traded for gold and silver coins. In the early centuries, this was natural and did not burden government functioning. In the 19th century, industrial trade began, the economy grew globally and lugging metal around the world became unprofitable. States and switched to bank notes.

              Of course people and especially trading people were in turmoil. And so that, no matter how and what happened. It is precisely here that the government has established, for peace of mind, that at any moment the state banks will issue gold in exchange for securities. This is what became gold security. And at first, in order not to get into a mess, the state printed as many nominal papers as there were in the bank of gold reserves. In case of mass appeal to the bank, not to look bankrupt.

              And after 2 MB, the economy and finances grew so much that currencies do not live by gold reserves, but by some new financial regulations.

              This is to the fact that it is impossible at the moment to demand, let alone operate in their statements mythical gold security.
              1. postman
                postman 16 May 2014 00: 38
                +2
                Quote: Beck
                Until the 19th century, the world traded for gold and silver coins.

                No fiig like that:
                1. fiat money (paper) appeared already in the 11st century
                (cliches that printed them in China)

                It came to this:

                2.Peter3 of 1762, a decree was issued on the issue of bank tickets in the Russian Empire
                3. Promissory notes, certificates, receipts, bank guarantees have long been
                ==========
                Money was rarely "carried"
                4. A ton of gold is worth 1, one billion seven hundred forty-eight million rubles = ($ 748 per troy ounce) = $ 000 (Forty-one million 000dUSA)
                one million dollars in banknotes at $ 1, weighs 1000 kg;
                truth:
                denominations of $ 2, weighs 500 kg;
                denominations of $ 5, weighs 200 kg;
                $ 10 bills weigh 100 kg;
                $ 20 bills weigh 50 kg;
                $ 50 bills weigh 20 kg;
                $ 100 bills weigh 10 kg.



                5. How inflation went (wars, crop failures): substitution in coins of gold = silver, copper, tin, etc.
                SO THE PEOPLE BECAME TO HIDE THEM, in "jars" (glass)
                Catherine 2 is well written about this very problem
                Quote: Beck
                but for some new financial regulations.

                American
                Quote: Beck
                This is to the fact that it is impossible at the moment

                Почему нет?
                - immediately the dollar will collapse
                - inflation will be tied only to production - natural loss (utruska, shrinkage, loss).
                Golden age
                1. Beck
                  Beck 16 May 2014 01: 58
                  0
                  Quote: Postman
                  No fiig like that:


                  Ancient China I did not take into account. I talked about the massive use of paper around the world. And I didn’t talk about Papuan shells either.

                  The dreams of the tale that the dollar will collapse let others listen. And who in general needs one of the major currencies of the world to collapse, apart from low-erudition hummocks.

                  Let's say the dollar will collapse tomorrow and that the rest will continue to live at the current level. Not a damn thing. All of us for a dollar will collapse to the bottom of the beginning of the 20th century. Everything is interconnected and interconnected in this world. Only people with suicidal tendencies can yell and wish that the main currency of the world collapse.

                  In order for the dollar not to collapse, but to cease to be the currency of the world, it is necessary to raise its economy above the American one. And for this you need to work. And I am 90% sure that in 20 years the yuan will be the main currency of the world, as the Chinese economy will become the strongest in the world. And it will be a smooth transition.

                  Then the Urashniki, as now, will vote, calling for everything so that the yuan collapses.
                  1. postman
                    postman 16 May 2014 03: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Beck
                    Ancient China I did not take into account. I talked about the massive use of paper around the world.

                    Why not take? and he is not so "ancient" (XX11 century).
                    I explained why they use "paper", issue gold coins - THEY WILL NOT BE FOUND in circulation
                    Quote: Beck
                    And who in general needs one of the world's major currencies to collapse except

                    And who needs it (OMV), except for the USA itself?
                    How is a measure of value in international payments?
                    Not sour settled down!
                    1. medium day trading volume over $ 44-61 billion
                    and goods exchange per year with the USA = $ 39,942 billion - $ 27,3 billion (decreasing) (dollar zone)

                    2. medium day trading volume in excess of EUR 14-16 billion
                    and goods exchange per year with the EEC 336,5 -380 billion euros (not a dollar zone)

                    3. Who do we (and everyone) pay? 1 + 2 arithmetic is obvious ("MV no, Germany did not occupy the field of Europe, there is nothing to be afraid of)
                    4. What is the US GDP?
                    the answer is here (although the data is old but indicative):
                    US GDP is 8,3 times higher than Russian GDP

                    and industrial production only 4,9

                    What is a (special) growth (excess) of GDP that is catastrophic over others?
                    Need to comment?
                    Quote: Beck
                    In order for the dollar not to collapse, but to cease to be the currency of the world, it is necessary to raise its economy above the American one.

                    Western Europe has surpassed! AND? Has the Euro become the "currency of the world"?
                    growth in industrial production (compared with others and the USA) DOES NOT ACHIEVE GDP (compared with the USA) -and will not catch up in this situation, AND EVEN OVERCOME
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 16 May 2014 09: 07
                      0
                      Quote: Postman
                      And who needs it (OMV), except for the USA itself?


                      Everyone needs it. And when the yuan becomes the world currency, and everyone will need the yuan.

                      You have filled up all the tables here, but the site is not specifically accounting. Rough. 25% of the world's economy is the economy of the USA, 25 of Europe, 25 of the Far East and 25 of the rest of the world.

                      And if you look at the root, at the very beginning, the United States did not impose its dollar on anyone - the international community chose the dollar itself, because there were no other strong currencies in the post-war period.

                      At the end of the war, an international conference convened and decided that it was difficult to carry across the oceans, at mutual settlements, precious metal and replaced the metal with the dollar. If by that time the ruble was the strongest, now the ruble would be the world currency.

                      The Bretton Woods Agreement is an international system of organization of monetary relations and trade settlements established as a result of the Bretton Woods Conference, which was held from July 1 to July 22, 1944. (Acceptance of the dollar for world currency)

                      This system has replaced the financial system based on the "gold standard."

                      In 1971-1978, the Bretton Woods system was replaced by the Jamaican currency system based on free currency trading (free currency conversion).

                      Creation goals; (Bretton Woods system)
                      1. Restoration and increase in international trade.
                      2. The provision at the disposal of states of resources to counter temporary difficulties in the foreign trade balance.


                      Everything else is layered aftermath.
            3. Nonik
              Nonik 16 May 2014 14: 45
              0
              Quote: Postman
              3. The gold security of the Russian ruble is 6% (according to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation) 4. Mongolian Tugrik: Gold covers about 5% of the money supply of Mongolia ..... XX. Japan's conditional gold plating ... is about 0,45%

              And what is the proportion of the United States? smile
              1. Praetorian
                Praetorian 16 May 2014 18: 24
                0
                No proportion smile
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          3. Praetorian
            Praetorian 16 May 2014 18: 22
            0
            And I do not say anything about the gold security of other currencies. I said that the Chinese cannot demand the return of the debt in gold, but only in dollar. That's all.
          4. 225chay
            225chay 19 May 2014 00: 27
            0
            Quote: Beck
            Now currencies live some kind of paper life of their own, which only people with financial education understand.


            Those. Fraudsters. spell things
            1. Beck
              Beck 19 May 2014 02: 26
              0
              Quote: 225chay
              Those. Fraudsters. spell things


              In all spheres of human activity there are scammers. And among the shoemakers there are. So. What now call all shoemakers fraudsters?

              Your negative bias against the dollar makes you bile. I am SURE if at the moment the world currency were the Ruble, you would shine like a polished metal ruble. And not only from the obverse and reverse, but also along the rim.
        2. Children BuryKonya
          Children BuryKonya 15 May 2014 20: 47
          0
          Only DeGoll could.
    3. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 16 May 2014 01: 23
      0
      Quote: sergey72
      The author is trying to say - "Rusty Belt" comes to life?
      If so, where did the money come from?

      The author writes some kind of beleburd. Why publish such works at all?
      There are no statistics, no numbers, no forecasts and analytics. It's just that some thoughts are not thought up to some sort of logic.
      What really matters is that the United States really wants to re-industrialize, and not just them. This is primarily due to the collapse of the globalist project as such. The international division of labor did not materialize because new centers of power appeared. The process is objective.

      What's next ? Will the US succeed in realizing its plans? It is unlikely that the process is too running. Where to get resources, both financial and raw?
      The shale bubble is driving industry growth in some segments, but it will not last long.
  2. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 15 May 2014 08: 50
    +24
    To return the factories to their homeland ... let them return ... their production costs will increase sharply ... and they, having spent a lot of time and money, will be in financial failure.
    The second side is ... that over the years the number of people able to work in production has decreased ... especially high-tech.
    1. 225chay
      225chay 15 May 2014 09: 14
      +5
      Quote: silberwolf88
      To return the factories to their homeland ... let them return ... their production costs will increase sharply ... and they, having spent a lot of time and money, will be in financial failure.
      The second side is ... that over the years the number of people able to work in production has decreased ... especially high-tech.


      China has concentrated most of the world's industry at home.
      And our industry is practically destroyed, especially of group "A" ... When it will be restored again
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 15 May 2014 09: 28
        +2
        Quote: 225chay
        China has concentrated most of the world's industry at home.
        And our industry is practically destroyed, especially of group "A" ... When it will be restored again



        In China, just another industry group is concentrated.

        Group "A" is, first of all, Germany, USA, Italy

        1. strannik.it
          strannik.it 16 May 2014 00: 55
          0
          About Germany, I agree, in Italy almost everything stops. Textiles are brought from China, marble and granite, household appliances, metal, etc., because they cost a penny, and they sell with tenfold wrap, so unemployment is 13%, there is an increase. Two more years, and one can safely say not Italian, but Chinese. All major Turin tailoring factories were exported to China. Russians come and buy everything under the guise of an Italian brand, in fact, even Chinese material. About shoes, the same thing, in short there is a cool scam, the quality is already not that.
      2. Canep
        Canep 15 May 2014 09: 29
        +8
        Factories in China will not go anywhere and will not stop working. In Kazakhstan, clever people opened a tablet assembly plant. As it turned out at this plant, the inscription "Made in Kazakhstan" and the barcode and ALL were pasted on the finished tablets (the defendants, by the way, are in the case of credit fraud). I think that such factories will appear in America instead of real production. Even if new factories are rebuilt and equipped with equipment and personnel, the products of these factories will be many times more expensive than those made in China. Due to 1 - the high cost of labor in the United States, 2 - the import of rare earths from China with the corresponding fees.
        1. iwind
          iwind 15 May 2014 10: 57
          +1
          That is not the problem. A modern factory no longer needs large quantities of slaves. strength. Regarding rare-earth metals, they are so called not because they are small in the earth's crust, their dofig, but because their concentration per ton is low, and they can be mined almost everywhere.
          Yes, and Katay himself almost does not clean up rare-earth metals 90% are sent to Japan, America, and only then they return from there in the form of components or an ultrapure state to China. The main problem is cheap electricity, China burns its cheap huge quantities of coal, which has already come back to them because there is nothing dirtier than coal and there is no energy for rice production.
          1. Beck
            Beck 15 May 2014 23: 00
            +1
            Quote: iwind
            A modern factory no longer needs large quantities of slaves. strength.


            That's right.

            And the mistake of the Communists was to call the working class the hegemonic society for all time.

            Look at the lines of modern factories. And where is the flow of labor? No her. On the stream are only machines and robots. Shops are empty. And only occasionally 2-3 workers of engineering and technical personnel roam around the workshops.

            Therefore, the concept of cheap labor is currently being eroded.
      3. kocclissi
        kocclissi 15 May 2014 21: 27
        0
        We are not in the first! Break through however!
    2. Grbear
      Grbear 15 May 2014 09: 17
      +4
      To build and teach - it takes time, and if there is no desire among the population (lumpen on the allowance) to either build or learn, then a lot of time. But it is not bought for money.
    3. Lapotnik
      Lapotnik 15 May 2014 09: 53
      +2
      In the article, in my opinion, it is incorrectly written where exactly they return - most likely to Mexico. It will be too expensive for oneself, it is unprofitable to raise production from scratch, especially given the lack of personnel and infrastructure. A bunch of Latinos, blacks and other d-ma gathered in gangs (and even in the army) in the cities of the "rust belt" ... but there you have to arrange a war to clean up the area for production. Plus, the social network is exorbitant for the officials.

      Mexico, they will be transferred there.
      1. Ased
        Ased 15 May 2014 10: 18
        +2
        Quote: Lapotnik
        Western corporations are changing the principles of work in the international market, and returning production "home". .... Beijing, meanwhile, is trying to patronize national corporations, and creates artificial barriers for foreigners.


        :))) Knowing the market trend it’s more reasonable to name the article like this:
        China squeezes US plants!!!
        And then - come back to mine! oh oh oh!
      2. Artyom
        Artyom 15 May 2014 10: 19
        +3
        the world is ruled by greed, but as they say: "greed has ruined the frayer!"
      3. Fin
        Fin 15 May 2014 10: 34
        +5
        change the principles of work in the international market, and return production "home".

        In my opinion, the author has fallen into fantasy. What kind of production, where, examples where? Personnel training? Who will buy these dramatically expensive products? In the United States, the real sector is the military-industrial complex, engineering is not much, everything else is services. It has long been forgotten how to work, used to benefits. To teach blacks to work - yes they have a good coke.
      4. Disant
        Disant 15 May 2014 22: 43
        0
        Quote: Lapotnik
        In the article, in my opinion, it is incorrectly written where exactly they return - most likely to Mexico. It will be too expensive for oneself, it is unprofitable to raise production from scratch, especially given the lack of personnel and infrastructure. A bunch of Latinos, blacks and other d-ma gathered in gangs (and even in the army) in the cities of the "rust belt" ... but there you have to arrange a war to clean up the area for production. Plus, the social network is exorbitant for the officials.

        Mexico, they will be transferred there.


        Speak correctly. My friend sells American excavators. Factories in Mexico. Through the border with sa collected transported, the wheels and the metal nameplate are screwed and voila -: maid in ui es ...
      5. strannik.it
        strannik.it 16 May 2014 01: 00
        0
        I think to Brazil. A large number of Italian, unemployed specialists rushed to Brazil.
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    5. Tuzik
      Tuzik 15 May 2014 12: 57
      +2
      by the way, too, after the 90s, engineering and working professions are in short supply, now it’s unrealistic to find a young high-quality specialist, qualifications are lower than the plinth, almost self-taught, and they are in line for old experienced personnel. Indeed, in the 90s it was prestigious only to be an office plankton. And the schools held at the expense of large enterprises have collapsed, specialists and teachers have been transferred.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 15 May 2014 17: 45
        +1
        Suppose they transfer the production of electronics, but they will buy rare-earth metals from China? China produces 90% of all rare earth metals and limits sales abroad.
        1. Disant
          Disant 15 May 2014 22: 57
          0
          Correct if I am mistaken, but China and other countries will not be able to fully reproduce electronics on their own - one or more components, for example, everywhere common computers, are produced ONLY in the USA and nowhere else. So they will sell as cute, as soon as they screw a couple of zeros in price for computer kernels
    6. Absurdidat
      Absurdidat 15 May 2014 20: 04
      0
      Reindustrialization with all the consequences, America will begin to work, produce, they will not pay less at the plant than in the service sector, which now employs 70% of Americans, so that everything will be fine with them. and all because of the slate revolution ...
  3. mig31
    mig31 15 May 2014 08: 55
    +2
    This is not confusion, but the chaos of the State Department, welcome to the native boomerang penates ....
    1. blizart
      blizart 15 May 2014 09: 03
      +5
      Manicurists, brokers, system administrators and other merchandisers - welcome to the proletariat!
  4. Vlad Gore
    Vlad Gore 15 May 2014 08: 59
    +6
    Late we realized. China can no longer be stopped. But production on its territory will add to the cost of American and European goods. All the same, the standard of living, and therefore salaries in Western countries, is higher. yes
    1. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 15 May 2014 09: 08
      +11
      Half of their standard of living is due to cheap Chinese goods. As soon as they are gone, the standard of living will rapidly begin to decline.


      A very competent article, affecting almost all economic aspects of the triangle of the PRC-USA-RF.

      I’m lately, more and more often I buy Chinese outerwear and shoes. The quality of Chinese goods is growing rapidly. However, like their price.
  5. Neighbor
    Neighbor 15 May 2014 09: 00
    +9
    China has a gold and foreign exchange reserve and skilled workers and engineers, but this cannot be taken away. Yes, and do not need to share with anyone. The USSR also went through this at one time.
  6. Stiletto
    Stiletto 15 May 2014 09: 04
    +4
    This is called "collapse". And if it is more popular, then - "Yankee, go home!", Or, even simpler, - "Get out!"
    1. 225chay
      225chay 15 May 2014 09: 17
      +3
      Quote: Stiletto
      if it is more popular, then - "Yankee, go home!", or, even easier - "Get out!"


      Or it’s possible more humane: they’ve gone to ..x..er!
    2. Burmistr
      Burmistr 15 May 2014 09: 24
      0
      The Moor has done his job - the Moor may leave.
      good
  7. Rohon
    Rohon 15 May 2014 09: 19
    +7
    The United States began to shrink, senses that their hegemony is collapsing ........
  8. Sour
    Sour 15 May 2014 09: 23
    +4
    A full return to US production capacity will not be soon. Only those who work primarily in the US market will return.
    The thing is that salaries are growing in China, so the cost of production is growing. If the product is intended for the American market, then in some cases it is more profitable to do it there, because you do not have to pay import duties.
    It is mainly economics, not geopolitics.
    Quote: Al_lexx
    Half of their standard of living is due to cheap Chinese goods. As soon as they are gone, the standard of living will rapidly begin to decline.

    Do not consider them fools. They know how to count money no worse than others.
    Quote: silberwolf88
    The second side is ... that over the years the number of people able to work in production has decreased ... especially high-tech.

    This is a serious circumstance. They will invite guest workers.
  9. mister2013
    mister2013 15 May 2014 09: 26
    +2
    Quote: silberwolf88
    To return the factories to their homeland ... let them return ... their production costs will increase sharply ... and they, having spent a lot of time and money, will be in financial failure.
    The second side is ... that over the years the number of people able to work in production has decreased ... especially high-tech.

    I support and completely agree with you! good They should especially do it now so that a crisis comes faster! You big + from me. wink
  10. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 15 May 2014 09: 33
    +5
    It is only necessary to end with Ukraine, and it would be possible to step aside from all this bickering, let them eat each other, the Americans really will soon be not up to us, I think in five years. But the main thing will be to not make a mistake that has become fatal for Russia several times , again having entered into an alliance with the Anglo-Saxons, now against China, because the Anglo-Saxons will again need a battering ram, and they will again try to drag Russia into their affairs. In no case do not give in, take money and make vague promises.
    1. Disant
      Disant 15 May 2014 23: 11
      0
      It’s somehow not at all in a human way: to take money, to make vague promises ..
      1. ansons
        ansons 16 May 2014 16: 10
        0
        We need to overpower ourselves, this time let them cope. And we will look from the side, having previously purchased popcorn.
  11. Aleksandr
    Aleksandr 15 May 2014 09: 35
    +8
    Not when you do not need to achieve someone else's weakness (do not swarm to another ..., you can only tear your strength) NEED YOUR OWN POWER UP !!!!!!!!
    1. Sour
      Sour 15 May 2014 09: 38
      +4
      Quote: Aleksandr
      Not when you do not need to achieve someone else's weakness (do not swarm to another ..., you can only tear your strength) NEED YOUR OWN POWER UP !!!!!!!!

      The most correct thought that sounded here.
      Moreover, in this case we are not talking about any alien weakness.
  12. Lelek
    Lelek 15 May 2014 09: 35
    +5
    A real collapse, and on a global scale, will begin when the first major dumping of US rubles occurs. These candy wrappers are not backed up by anything material other than the cost of paper and paint.
  13. Strashila
    Strashila 15 May 2014 09: 42
    +5
    Everything is considered ... if ten years ago, the PRC dominated the supply of raw materials for the high-tech sector and the cheapness of the workforce. Worked on the principle you need raw materials ... build factories, use it.
    Currently, monopoly has played a bad joke with the Chinese comrades .. greed is not alien to them.
    The cost of raw materials has risen by an order of magnitude ... now it has become economically feasible to mine and process the same rare-earth materials in other parts of the world ... the monopoly of China began to crumble, but it takes time to restore the former.
    The cost of labor has risen sharply.
    In addition, the PRC did a lot during the crisis of 2009 to supplant Western companies, giving preference to its compatriots in business development.
    The United States has done tremendous work for this, but what is worth destabilization in Ukraine.
    The destruction of EU partnerships with Russia in the energy sector will give a good head start to US industry.
  14. zollstab
    zollstab 15 May 2014 09: 43
    0
    It is unlikely that out of the crowded Yankees will be good workers. A nation of degenerates.
  15. umah
    umah 15 May 2014 09: 53
    +1
    No need to console yourself with the illusions that China urgently needs to be saved - in the long run it will pose a threat to the Russian Far East


    A familiar song about the Chinese threat, but from a different region, not military, but economic. All such warnings and fears have a common feature: under them there is no analytical base, all on emotions. Like the maniac Khramchikhin - he simply dreams of a Chinese invasion, yanks facts confirming his theory, and ignores what does not fit the theory.

    The SGA is pressuring China from all sides, trying to close access to resources. In these conditions, any aggression against Russia will be suicidal! And in general, attacking a nuclear power is harmful to health. My version is that the SGA, using the "divide and rule" strategy, wants to embroil Russia and China. Hence, all such articles, for sure, similar stuffing is made to the Chinese press.
    1. Disant
      Disant 15 May 2014 23: 30
      0
      But in the first paragraph Do not "whistle"! Sorry for the expression, but this is exactly how it is not "songs". The Chinese have flooded the Far East, they no longer live there semi-legally, but legally. They made documents and citizenship, through marriage in Russian, in other ways, got families, children ... Promote their people to power, to small mayors, etc. I don't know your Khramchikhin, give me a link. For the Chinese expansion in the Far East, I will say this: any forum member of this site from the Far East or close acquaintance with two plus
  16. Alf
    Alf 15 May 2014 09: 57
    +1
    "It is difficult to predict what problems the Celestial Empire will face if it loses its factories and factories owned by foreigners, but now we can talk about an increase in unemployment and a reduction in economic growth."
    I absolutely do not care about the problems of China. I only know that with problems in China, OUR industry can be pulled in, mostly light. And transferring production to mattress will not do much — there is a very high cost, with corresponding problems. So the production transfer boomerang hit the launching one.
  17. Strashila
    Strashila 15 May 2014 09: 57
    +2
    Quote: silberwolf88
    To return the factories to their homeland ... let them return ... their production costs will increase sharply ... and they, having spent a lot of time and money, will be in financial failure.
    The second side is ... that over the years the number of people able to work in production has decreased ... especially high-tech.

    Why are production back ...
    ... reduce the outflow of capital from the country, the money will spin inside.
    ... job creation, and this is not only taxes, but also the wages that will be spent domestically ... which will create new jobs to service this money.
    ... tax base growth is already good.
    ... reduction of social tension.
    ... the outflow of high technology to the foreign market for no reason at all will stop.
    ... reducing the country's dependence on factors from outside.

    As for cheap labor, in recent years they have been mitigating against illegal immigrants Mexico at hand.
    To solve highly qualified personnel, they will make programs to attract smart heads from Europe ... by that time there will be a full paragraph in the economy.
    And to solve the issue of cost, the Ukrainization of the European economy is arranged ... there is not much chaos.
    1. Sour
      Sour 15 May 2014 10: 10
      0
      Quote: Strashila
      there by then there will be a full paragraph in the economy.

      Everything goes to this. The EU economy is practically not growing.
      1. strannik.it
        strannik.it 16 May 2014 01: 07
        0
        Sour! You're right. Germany crushed everything for itself. EU is almost FINAL, I see the situation in reality, so I’m preparing my skis.
  18. mamont5
    mamont5 15 May 2014 10: 15
    +1
    "What benefits can Russia derive from the emerging trends? The severing of economic ties between the PRC and the United States will play into our hands. As the PRC once acted on the principle of a" wise monkey ", Russia should not interfere in the coming conflict, watching its participants lose strength . "

    All is correct. The wisest decision is to watch the battle of the giants, standing aside and intervene when necessary.
  19. iwind
    iwind 15 May 2014 10: 26
    +4
    Now there is a trend towards highly automated plants (for example, the Tesla motors factory), they do not need a large amount of labor. They really leave him at the expense of China.
    Why did they transfer production to China at all? Firstly, there is cheap electricity there is a lot of coal and therefore a huge number of coal-fired power plants were built there, but they pollute the nature so much that the horror and the radiation are not weak. The second point is the extraction of rare earth metals, since China extracts them - this is a chilling P "No." "c for everything around, whole lakes of acid. And everyone already understands that they cannot continue for so long. Yes, the Chinese are asking for more and more wages. ...
    European and American have already begun to withdraw their plants from there, the construction of highly automated plants is underway. Recently, it was just on the affairs of South Korea that some people will just transfer there, but the main part will return home.
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 15 May 2014 11: 19
      +4
      At least someone wrote a sensible idea, otherwise "there is no qualified labor force in the USA", etc. I assert that the USA has a highly qualified workforce - we must face the truth, do not throw hats. We urgently need to build factories and factories at home in the country, to develop the construction industry, road construction, and not sit like a "wise monkey."
  20. Cormorants
    Cormorants 15 May 2014 10: 30
    +1
    For the United States, China has never been a potential enemy. He considers only Russia as the main competitor.
    1. Sour
      Sour 15 May 2014 10: 56
      0
      Quote: Cormorants
      For the United States, China has never been a potential enemy.

      I do not agree.
      They have a cool attitude towards China. And in his internal affairs they climb no less than in ours. Hearings on "human rights" and on Tibet are held regularly in the American Congress.
    2. gandalf
      gandalf 15 May 2014 12: 23
      +1
      Directly - did not consider until recently, until they received nuclear weapons.
      But the Yankees always did everything to prevent the USSR and China from making friends.
  21. Olkass
    Olkass 15 May 2014 11: 10
    +1
    Just a link:
    http://artemdragunov.livejournal.com/2896705.html
    Pay attention to the date of the post.
  22. Slovek
    Slovek 15 May 2014 11: 56
    0
    I do not think that the leadership in the US and the EU is so stupid that they did not understand the potential threat from the location of production in China. Constant copying of samples, disregard for "human rights" and "copyright", the release of Chinese consumer goods on the world market, the growth of the army, an aggressive policy in Tibet and Taiwan. The Communist Party, by the way, still rules there, although everything is covered by business. And what this Communist Party will get into the head - go and know. What if the Marxists-Maonists decided to stir up the world revolution?
  23. siberalt
    siberalt 15 May 2014 12: 05
    0
    If the factories are returned to America from China, then only together with the Chinese. Because there will be no one to work for them, and it will be unprofitable. This is a "trap" for the Americans. laughing And they are unlikely to get out of it.
  24. gandalf
    gandalf 15 May 2014 12: 25
    +1
    As long as there are countries with cheaper labor than in the US, the Rust Belt will continue to rust ... Business, profit, nothing personal.
    1. Sour
      Sour 15 May 2014 13: 45
      +1
      There are many industries where the share of salary in the prime cost is low, and continues to fall. But a high share in the cost of production of customs payments.
      For example, automotive and engine manufacturing, aircraft, shipbuilding.
      It is more and more profitable to place such things at home, and not in countries with cheap labor.
      In the production of electrical engineering and electronics, robotics of assembly processes are now being accelerated, which also greatly and quickly reduces the share of salaries in production costs.
      In addition, the salary in China is not the same as 20 or even 10 years ago, it has grown.
      You got excited and thought badly before writing your post.
      1. iwind
        iwind 15 May 2014 15: 48
        +4
        By the way, here for clarity, what a modern automobile plant looks like. Almost all projects of a modern plant rely on a high level of automation, including the production of various electronics.
  25. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 15 May 2014 12: 50
    +6
    There is a robot. This means that fewer workers will be exploited. The United States, having thrown off all the dirt to China, leaving only the defense, has done the right thing. It’s just that they won’t need labor any further; the robots for them will do everything quietly, without trade unions and wages. For example, ten years ago, the cost of producing a small car in Japan was 1800 US dollars, and in Europe 3500. This is a robotic production, flexible production lines, 3D printers and God knows what else. But not people, not proletarians. Most likely, the States, or rather entrepreneurs in the States will present a new alternative to China - robotic lines. Then China will only have to produce raw materials.
  26. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 15 May 2014 12: 56
    +5
    And one more thing: globalization has exhausted itself as a profitable economic project. In the next 50 years, countries will concentrate up to 85% of the production of consumed products, leaving only high-tech and new medicines for imports, as Putin said 5 years ago. This means that there will no longer be Brazilian apples and Greek watermelons. All his own. In this situation, some countries will become self-sufficient, while others will simply be sources of rare raw materials. What will the hegemonic countries do in this situation? High tech. New drugs. hi
  27. Nikich
    Nikich 15 May 2014 12: 58
    +2
    It will be difficult to return the plants if China does not want to. Let's not forget that most of the US public debt is to China.
    1. Sour
      Sour 15 May 2014 13: 48
      +2
      Quote: Nikich
      Let's not forget that most of the US public debt is to China.

      Do not forget that China has a record corporate debt of 18 trillion. And the bulk of it falls on American business structures.
  28. vkrav
    vkrav 15 May 2014 12: 59
    +1
    Production will have to be returned along with the Chinese. Users have stupidly forgotten how to work. I recall several. years ago, IBM was already trying to return production to the continent ... I had to send hard workers and engineers to study in Taiwan, at Foxconn ...
  29. Manul49
    Manul49 15 May 2014 13: 34
    0
    Rather than bother with Amer’s factories in China, it’s better to think about your own.

    The article smacks of the desire to drive a wedge between us and China.
    Or does it seem to me?
    1. Disant
      Disant 16 May 2014 00: 43
      0
      For me, on the contrary, a wedge in the form of an army was taken out, dispersing all the strategic support fortified areas in the form of hundreds of buried weapons, tanks with personnel, armored trains and infrastructure on the border with China, leaving only miserable crumbs. Now Russia and China have merged in a passionate kiss. Previously, we (the USSR) were feared and guarded, now they simply gently lovingly stroke the withers so as not to run away.
  30. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 15 May 2014 14: 33
    +2
    Well that's right smile To close a hole in the budget without war, they need a large market. Europe fits perfectly, but only if Russia is removed from there. For this, kneading with Ukraine and arranged.
    Therefore, they return production back. hi After all, in order to trade something, you need to produce something. wink
    1. Praetorian
      Praetorian 15 May 2014 17: 22
      +1
      Large market in Europe, sorry, what?
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 15 May 2014 18: 23
        +2
        Energy resources this time (they want to trade shale gas wink ). In addition, due to interruptions in raw materials, interruptions in the work of other industrial areas may begin. Metallurgy, for example. No wonder they are trying to revive their "rusty belt".
        Wait and see. hi
        1. Praetorian
          Praetorian 15 May 2014 20: 37
          0
          Clear. Thank.
          1. Landwarrior
            Landwarrior 16 May 2014 08: 43
            0
            Not at all. It’s my fault that I didn’t immediately paint it. hi
  31. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 15 May 2014 17: 47
    +1
    An interesting article, but no figures, facts, examples. The trifle.
  32. SS68SS
    SS68SS 15 May 2014 18: 05
    0
    ... Moscow will be able to regain its former influence in conditions when its actions are practically not paid attention ...

    They will always pay attention to Moscow and Russia. And if they don’t pay, then they simply want to infringe on Russian vanity with their neglect. Well, TFU on them .....
  33. philldm
    philldm 15 May 2014 18: 05
    +1
    Forward to Russia!
  34. kocclissi
    kocclissi 15 May 2014 21: 28
    0
    Quote: 225chay
    And our industry is practically destroyed, especially of group "A" ... When it will be restored again

    We are not in the first! Break through however!
  35. homosum20
    homosum20 15 May 2014 21: 59
    0
    I understand what the author of the article wanted to say by name. But this is nonsense. Production is real estate - it cannot be moved anywhere. production is local personnel - they live next to non-relocatable production. Production is a clientele of consumers associated with the manufacturer, primarily, logistics, then technology - and much more. the author is either a sucker or pretends to be.
    The states do not return anything - they build new industries at home. Train staff, build supply chains, etc. Very, I tell you, a costly process. And despite the fact that Chinese manufactures have not gone away - they work as they worked - new ones become their competitors, but without customers, without a niche in the market (the main consumers in Eurasia, separated from America by the ocean).
    Not the fact that this will pay off.
  36. Larsen
    Larsen 15 May 2014 22: 12
    0
    I don’t understand how to physically withdraw production located in another country?
  37. Disant
    Disant 16 May 2014 00: 57
    0
    Quote: philldm
    Forward to Russia!

    I completely agree
    1. Zverev
      Zverev 17 May 2014 21: 09
      0
      Only forward!