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"It's time to sit everyone at the same table"

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"It's time to sit everyone at the same table"“In the West, many are shocked by the results of the Donetsk and Lugansk polls. Talking about this, that all this is complete bullshit and manipulation, is difficult, because the mass of journalists visited the field and saw everything with their own eyes, ”political analyst Alexander Rahr told THE VIEW. So he described the mood in the West after the referendum in the east of Ukraine.


As the newspaper VIEW reported, Kiev accepted the OSCE’s proposal to appoint a moderator of the internal Ukrainian dialogue from the OSCE.

“I am pleased to inform you that the Ukrainian government accepted our proposal to appoint Ambassador Wolfgang Ischinger as co-moderator of these OSCE round tables,” said OSCE Chairman, Foreign Minister and President of Switzerland Didier Burkhalter on Monday.

“We proposed that the Ukrainian side should appoint a moderator and co-moderator for the national dialogue, and that the dialogue should also be moderated by the OSCE. We hope that today someone will be named from the Ukrainian side, and from our side there is also a person whom we will call today, ”Burkhalter explained earlier.

On whether Wolfgang Ischinger can cope with the peacekeeping mission in Ukraine, the German political analyst Alexander Rahr told the newspaper VIEW.

VIEW: Alexander Glebovich, is it true that Wolfgang Ischinger, appointed by the OSCE moderator, has a reputation as a moderate politician? Against the background of other Western politicians, he has not allowed himself lately harsh attacks on Moscow ...

Alexander Rahr: The OSCE is an organization in general that should take into account the opinion of Moscow; there is no status of elder and younger brothers. This organization, which, unfortunately, has been in such a deplorable state in recent years, because the Americans did not particularly support it and did not want to see an alternative to NATO in it. But, unlike NATO, the OSCE has all the competencies and all the levers to improve European security. And the Ukrainian conflict is the most acute conflict in Europe over the past 15 – 20 years.

I remember that in the Kosovo war, the West pushed him as the main negotiator. Ischinger represented all sorts of organizations in the UN and the OSCE. Behaved very objectively, unlike other young politicians, so the fact that the former major diplomat got this role is very encouraging.

Over the past three years, he gained very great prestige as the organizer of the security conference in Munich - a very strong influential organization that became the main platform for discussing the pressing problems of world politics. Once a year, Americans, Russians, Iranians, and Chinese come there. Higher level does not come up with than hers. Therefore, Ischinger has connections, and most importantly, he has grown into the role of an effective moderator.

VIEW: Is it possible to say that the rhetoric of the West against Kiev in recent days has begun to change? For example, in a joint statement by Merkel and Hollande in Stralsund, for the first time, open claims were made not only towards Moscow, but also towards Kiev ...

A.R .: I think it’s just the time to finally get everyone sitting at the same table. Of course, the West protects the Kiev government, which depends largely on the West, but it’s just time to force the Ukrainian government to take certain steps to the future, to improve relations with the East and with Russia, to ensure free and fair elections.

Yes, in the West, many are shocked by the result of the Donetsk and Lugansk polls. Talking about this, that all of this is complete bullshit and manipulation, it is difficult, because the mass of journalists visited the field and saw everything with their own eyes. It was a massive vote.

In the West, they began to realize that only Moscow cannot be blamed, that Russia should be allowed to do what it wants in the East so that recent events do not recur, and tomorrow it will be necessary to build relations between the central government and the eastern regions of Ukraine. This will be one of the subjects of the negotiations that the OSCE diplomats must ensure; this is the beginning of the implementation of the agreements that were reached in February between the opposition and Yanukovych.

Maybe Yanukovych will not return his power, but it is necessary to disarm not only the formations in the East, but also in the West, we must begin a constitutional reform and turn Ukraine from a central state into a federation. The faster it all goes, the faster the situation will calm down.

Until now, the West and Kiev viewed this initiative as Moscow and did not want to play along with Russia. But now comes the understanding of all sensible politicians that there is no other way out and the federalization of Ukraine will calm the situation down and not aggravate it.

VIEW: OSCE Secretary General Lamberto Zannier last week offered Kiev to find an authoritative figure, for example, the former president of the country, to organize a national dialogue. Could this be, for example, Leonid Kuchma?

А.R .: It is very difficult to say about an authoritative figure in Ukraine. There is no such figure today. Kuchma, perhaps the most suitable figure of those who can be represented ...

I hope for the appearance of a simple Ukrainian, not even a politician who can find a common language with the West, the Center and the East of Ukraine. This may be a spiritual leader, a person of art or an experienced writer and publicist. But this is so far difficult to imagine. This is the right way to find a national leader who could raise the country.

VIEW: The OSCE, within the framework of its roadmap, offers assistance in the negotiations on the disarmament of illegal formations, establishes a foundation for these purposes and promises to send international disarmament experts to Kiev urgently. How effective are such measures? Will it be about disarming the Donbass militias, or will they not “forget” about the “Right Sector”, the “Oleg Lyashko’s battalion” and similar formations?

AR: The OSCE has no troops. Are they going to send observers? .. This is the most difficult question for Ukraine. I think we need to start with disarmament. This can only be done by the Ukrainian government.
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  1. lexxxus
    lexxxus 15 May 2014 15: 41
    +4
    Kuchma is perhaps the most suitable figure that can be imagined ...
    Just not Kuchma. From what Ukraine has gone to and will come.
    1. SS68SS
      SS68SS 15 May 2014 15: 45
      +1
      Of all the condoms, our Kuchma was the most adequate.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 15 May 2014 18: 16
        +4
        When they were in Kiev last year, they considered Kuchma the most successful president of Ukraine. But I was ashamed to tell them to pay attention to the prices of energy carriers in the world and at which Russia was letting Ukraine out at that time. In my opinion, the price of gas was then 160-180, and for Ukraine 40-60 dollars per thousand cubic meters. Plus re-export of this gas to the West. In short, they sucked precisely then. These are the hundreds of billions of subsidies from the Russian Federation to Kiev that Putin spoke about. Spoiled. Sobering will come in the fall. And when they begin to repay IMF loans, which they began to receive now, they will sober up completely.
        What negotiations after Mariupol, Slavyansk, Odessa, Krasnoarmeisk and Kramatorsk? You at least withdraw the troops so that you can offer this to the East. What negotiations are at gunpoint? Kravchuk woke up late. Even then it was necessary to ask him for the USSR. Now, before this "politics" got to what his independence led to. Once he said: "If I knew where all this would lead ...". This is my opinion when the first Maidan happened. But he was a communist. And now he greets Bandera and sits at the same table. How does the same East relate to him?
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  2. Stiletto
    Stiletto 15 May 2014 15: 41
    +15
    Put everyone at the same table? You know, on some sides there are people with whom it’s not just at the same table - in the same field um ... you should not sit down.
    1. SS68SS
      SS68SS 15 May 2014 15: 49
      +5
      Need to plant of course. True to different places. Who is at the table, and who is behind bars ... Too many socially dangerous elements in Ukraine have divorced ...
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    3. Orik
      Orik 15 May 2014 16: 48
      +3
      Quote: Stiletto
      Put everyone at the same table? You know, on some sides there are people with whom it’s not just at the same table - in the same field um ... you should not sit down.

      If we consider yesterday's "table" in Kiev, then this one can be dug into a hole entirely.
    4. Rblipetsk
      Rblipetsk 15 May 2014 17: 07
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      on some sides there are people with whom it’s not at the same table

      Enough of this tolerance. let’s say honestly to the Kiev junta and all sorts of dogs there, not at the table, but under the table. so it will be right.
    5. vlrosch
      vlrosch 15 May 2014 23: 35
      0
      If you put them on one bench, on the dock ...
    6. vlrosch
      vlrosch 15 May 2014 23: 35
      0
      If you put them on one bench, on the dock ...
  3. Giant thought
    Giant thought 15 May 2014 15: 42
    +8
    The East will never sit at the negotiating table with the Kiev fascists. He will seek their destruction.
  4. Stiletto
    Stiletto 15 May 2014 15: 45
    +5
    By the way, from all articles the word "PLANT" in relation to the so-called "Kiev power" seemed to me the most sympathetic.
  5. mig31
    mig31 15 May 2014 15: 45
    +5
    All!!! The end!!! No more than a round table, only the liquid chair remained at the junta !!!
  6. bars280
    bars280 15 May 2014 15: 46
    +4
    The meaning of the dialogue is only watery, so that the junta peacefully releases the DPR and LPR (unlikely), and there is nothing more to talk about with them !!!
    1. Neighbor
      Neighbor 15 May 2014 15: 51
      +2
      If they don’t let go peacefully, let them leave themselves ... So far, their Southeast is not holding back.
  7. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 15 May 2014 15: 49
    +3
    Defenders of Donbass spoke out unequivocally - who was the first to arm himself. let him disarm for a start - they will free the buildings too - in general, who first started all this. Only now Donbass, like Kiev, has its own army, which is forced to defend the Donbass and is now legal
  8. sledge
    sledge 15 May 2014 15: 50
    +2
    And who to disarm it? Militias whom the Kiev junta and Geyropa with Ameriza are called separatists, or militants of law-enforcers?
  9. Egoza
    Egoza 15 May 2014 15: 52
    +5
    Conduct "peace negotiations" during bombing and shelling? - The height of cynicism!
    And the West and the Kiev "authorities" should look not only at the South-East, but also at their own beloved westernism and the activities of the Right Sector - THERE!

    Public activists decided to block the route of international importance Kiev - Chop. They did this because of dissatisfaction with the appointment to the post of chief of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine in the Rivne region Nikolai Shchiruk. This is reported by local media. The route Kiev - Chop near Rivne was blocked in both directions.
    Traffic jams have already formed, the total length of which is several kilometers. Minibus passengers go to Rivne on foot. Representatives of law enforcement agencies came to the place of blocking to conduct negotiations.
    The chairman of the Rivne Regional State Administration Sergey Rybachok arrived with three guards in camouflage and an assistant. Negotiations are ongoing. It should be noted that Rybachka's guards have the same badges as the activists who supported Shchiruk: "Rivne Combat Hundred named after Georgiy."
  10. Yellow white
    Yellow white 15 May 2014 15: 56
    +2
    Yeah, the table looks gnawed, bruised ...
  11. Egoza
    Egoza 15 May 2014 15: 56
    +7
    Today the session of the Lviv City Council is under the supervision of the "Right Sector", whose representatives came to the City Council with car tires.

    This was reported by the polemic correspondent. Note that they went to the city hall unhindered. In addition to tires, activists brought posters with caricatures to city officials. The Right Sector is opposed to raising fares for minibuses and demands the resignation of a number of officials, in particular, the head of the legal department Gelena Pionkevich, the director of the city planning department Andrei Piva, the deputy mayor for city planning and infrastructure of the Lviv city council Vladimir Shevchuk and the head of the ecology department and beautification of Andrey Galushka.

    If their demands are not taken into account, the activists promise to radicalize their action. As representatives of the "Right Sector" noted at a press conference on May 14, today they are planning to "take" someone out of the town hall. "However, we will certainly organize" souvenirs "in the form of tires and bottles with kerosene for officials, who now bear a conditional" black mark "."
    “We will persuade that it’s better to leave for yourself,” said Vitaly Sergatyuk, coordinator of the “Right Sector” in Lviv.
    According to the representative of the "Right Sector", it seems that the occupation administration is working in Lviv, which "wanted to sneeze on the rights and interests of citizens." “She is engaged in only one thing - downloading money for enterprises, structures close to, or, possibly, belong to officials of the Lviv City Council,” said Sergatyuk.
    Among the latest crimes against Lviv committed by officials, the "Right Sector" names a two-part tariff for heat and an increase in the fare for minibuses. In addition, according to Sergatiuk, the constant stench in Lviv is also the work of officials.
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-145572.html
    XXXX
    How lovely! Throughout Ukraine, in the same Kiev, you can raise tariffs, prices for food, travel, and so on, but in Lviv - LOW! The right sector "black marks" distributes! When will you fire Lviv, would-be leaders?
  12. Same lech
    Same lech 15 May 2014 15: 56
    +5
    I am categorically against the disarmament of militias .....
    it's out of the question.
  13. Rubmolot
    Rubmolot 15 May 2014 15: 57
    +3
    Will the West Organize a Round Table?
    Is this really a signal of recognition of defeat?
    Mndaaa .. now we need to quickly apologize so that winter would not be winter but what to cook on.
  14. sem-yak
    sem-yak 15 May 2014 15: 57
    +3
    Some must be put to one wall!
    Well, or sit in one cell! Trying to legalize armed seizures of power, executions and burning of civilians alive through debates and negotiations ?! And, excuse me, this so-called "WEST" does not ooh .. eat for an hour! Let them first condemn their actions, jail (or shoot) the guilty, apologize to the public, and only then have to think about it ... And then they should be quick, like a nos, to change their position!
  15. Vlad Gore
    Vlad Gore 15 May 2014 15: 58
    +1
    All at one table and pour it all. We will celebrate ... each his own. drinks
  16. Grbear
    Grbear 15 May 2014 15: 59
    -2
    Now a lot depends on the "gestures" of the new republics, on how balanced their statements will be. "24 hours and burn" and lack of understanding with each other is not the best start. Political and organizational unprofessional or dizzy with success?
  17. blizart
    blizart 15 May 2014 16: 02
    +2
    You know, on some sides there are people with whom it’s not just the same table - in the same field um ... you should not sit down.
    And nevertheless, this will have to be done in this and this is the need and the art of diplomacy, Molotov was unlikely to have positive feelings in 41 when he went to Berlin, but an agreement in some form was then necessary for the Union, just as now others are urgently needed " need ", and the first, in my opinion, is the lifting of the land blockade from Crimea. The Kerch ferry does not solve and will not solve the entire transport problem of the peninsula, the entire rice harvest has already died, other agricultural crops are in turn, at such a rate Russia will receive not an "inspiring showcase of the Empire", but a blow to its prestige and reputation.
    P.S. Well, as at all times, the first "on the embrasure" threw the army, no, that's it, the Army!
  18. Baloo_bst
    Baloo_bst 15 May 2014 16: 04
    +3
    Kiev wants to hold a round table with representatives of the Southeast, but it does not intend to stop the CTO, and the proteges of Kiev will again represent the Southeast.
    What is the point in such negotiations? They seriously think that the DPR and LPR will dissolve themselves, and the leaders of the Southeast will surrender at the mercy or under the euro guarantee, the militias will disarm and go home.
    Involuntarily the question arises - For what were you fighting for?
    1. gandalf
      gandalf 15 May 2014 17: 58
      +1
      They that seriously think

      It seems to me that they not only do not seriously think ... But they do not think at all laughing
  19. askort154
    askort154 15 May 2014 16: 09
    +3
    The Red Army was able to drive Bendera into burrows. Therefore, they did not protrude until the collapse of the USSR.
    Now it’s foolish to hope that any negotiations will return them to their place. They got power and weapons,
    which now will not be given voluntarily. The problem can be solved - only radically.
  20. avt
    avt 15 May 2014 16: 15
    +3
    Sit everyone at the same table? Sure, not a problem ! Do they want to hold another "table" in Donbass? Yes for! With both hands! Just let them pay for the fare of those who eat ", accommodation in hotels in accordance with the requests of those who eat", for safety there, stationery and other equipment. Why not talk with "good people" at someone else's expense. The main thing for Novorossians is not to get excited and not to take all this slobber to heart, especially as a guide to action. It is better to be guided by the rule set forth by grandfather Krylov in the fable, well, where, "Vaska listens and eats." And so it's okay - 3,14 ... well, do not move sacks, for their money you can endure their chatter, well, again, whatever one may say, they practically recognize the Novorossians as a specific SIDE of the conflict.
  21. mamont5
    mamont5 15 May 2014 16: 25
    +2
    "It's time to sit everyone at the same table"

    I don’t know about the table, but some people need to be seated in one camera.

    "it's just time to force the Ukrainian government to take certain steps into the future, to mend relations with the East and with Russia in order to ensure free and fair elections."

    Or maybe the time has come to remove this Ukrainian government, because nothing good should be expected from it, including fair elections.
  22. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 15 May 2014 16: 30
    +1
    It is only necessary to gather in the southeast, it is safer. However, it seems that they will gather again, gossip, sign something, and Kiev will deceive again.
  23. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 15 May 2014 16: 33
    +1
    I think we need to start with disarmament. This can only be done by the Ukrainian government.

    This government speaks only of intensifying the conflict (up to airstrikes). And no one wants to talk to them either. The most useful thing they can do is collect the manat and rush off to the Americans. Late that something Europe decided to take up the mind.
  24. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 15 May 2014 16: 33
    +2
    For starters, I propose to sit down at the same table with the zapadents and see who will be under the table?
  25. Dvm70
    Dvm70 15 May 2014 16: 48
    0
    It seems to me that, in this situation, the round table can only be devoted to how to disperse in a good way. Kiev figures have broken so much firewood. How many people died. I poorly imagine how Gubarev, who was pressed in prison, will negotiate with Turchinov about peaceful life as part of a single country.
  26. Prutkov
    Prutkov 15 May 2014 16: 55
    +1
    The article has a very important idea - the US does not support the OSCE, because see them as an alternative to NATO. Will the Pastor and Yaytsenyuk (Obama’s sixes) then seek a compromise with the OSCE and talk to the DPR and LPR, and not to Taruta. With the same success, you can communicate with your own reflection in the mirror, there will be more benefit. the buildup of armed forces in the Slavic direction just speaks in favor of such a thought.

    P.S. Apparently in the South-East the junta is going to communicate with local "masters" - Taruta and Akhmetov.
  27. jktu66
    jktu66 15 May 2014 17: 00
    0

    In the West, they began to understand that one cannot blame only Moscow, that Russia should be allowed to do in the East what it wants, so that recent events do not happen again,
    What a nonsense !!!
  28. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 15 May 2014 17: 05
    0
    No, dear Mr. Rar, it’s time to sit down at one table, and in the single cells of the leaders of the junta and their puppeteers, and after that (after disarming the right sector and all radicals), you can sit at the negotiating table of representatives of all Ukraine and always with the legally elected President Yanukovych!
  29. Signaller
    Signaller 15 May 2014 17: 18
    0
    Plant-exactly plant .... on the zugunder.
  30. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 15 May 2014 17: 38
    0
    Firstly: You need to sit down at the table only with equals (soldiers and people). Secondly: If you sit down at a table with cannibals, you will have to eat human flesh yourself in the form of a compromise. Thirdly: Is there any point in sitting down at the table if it is announced in advance that for this you first have to surrender and lay down your arms? And the inviting people will not lay down their weapons, and they will even see whether it is worth sitting at the table, or it is more expedient to crash right away. And the results of any negotiations are indicated in advance: "agree to everything, promise everything, we will hang it later" (c) junta ... am
  31. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 15 May 2014 18: 00
    0
    I think it's just time to finally put everyone at the same table.

    What problems? Think - get busy! Do something useful.
  32. blackberry
    blackberry 15 May 2014 18: 23
    0
    Quote: chelovektapok
    Firstly: You need to sit down at the table only with equals (soldiers and people). Secondly: If you sit down at a table with cannibals, you will have to eat human flesh yourself in the form of a compromise. Thirdly: Is there any point in sitting down at the table if it is announced in advance that for this you first have to surrender and lay down your arms? And the inviting people will not lay down their weapons, and they will even see whether it is worth sitting at the table, or it is more expedient to crash right away. And the results of any negotiations are indicated in advance: "agree to everything, promise everything, we will hang it later" (c) junta ... am

    Well, you don't have to be equal. Negotiators often do not negotiate with innocent people, but just the opposite - with criminals. This does not equalize them, you must agree. But the previously announced "we will hang up later" - here you are right, knowing this, it is difficult to find common ground. Even more difficult than negotiating figures. Rahr is a very powerful analyst, and in his assessments (I mean the previously read publications of his authorship) he does not veil the true attitude of the Germans towards Russia or Putin, this is his value that must be used.
  33. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 15 May 2014 22: 00
    0
    About Yatsenyuk?