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"Crimean scenario in the South-East of Ukraine is unlikely"

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"Crimean scenario in the South-East of Ukraine is unlikely"But dialogue with Kiev is possible only after the power is changed there.


In the Donetsk and Lugansk regions held referendums. The absolute majority supported acts of state independence of these regions.

The new political reality is commented on by the Russian political scientist Pavel Svyatenkov.

The current Ukrainian "rulers" are not at all inclined to any compromises.

First of all, it must be said that the results of the referendum provide an opportunity for multivariate developments.

The first option - the proclamation of independence. In this sense, Donetsk and Lugansk will exist as unrecognized states, such as Transnistria. But there is nothing terrible about it: Transnistria has been living like this for twenty years now, and no horror has happened. However, it is clear that this is a freezing of the situation, which, most likely, will not allow Ukraine to join either the EU or, especially, NATO. Practice shows that the North Atlantic Alliance does not like states with territorial problems. Let me remind you that Georgia was demanded to resolve all its issues before joining NATO. We see that so far, despite all the promises, it has not been accepted into the alliance.

The second option is federalization. There is space for bargaining with the Ukrainian "authorities" here, because in theory, self-determination may assume the status of a subject of the federation. It is clear that the concept of "self-determination" does not necessarily mean the creation of its own state. At the same time, bargaining over issues of federalization, if possible, only after power changes in Kiev. It is obvious that the current Ukrainian "rulers" are not at all inclined to any compromises. On the contrary, they are closer to suppressing the uprising with an armed hand.

The third option is the entry of Donetsk and Lugansk into Russia according to the Crimean scenario. But for now this option looks unlikely, because the West is threatening with sanctions. The transition of the Crimea was perceived relatively easily, which is hardly possible in the case of Donetsk and Lugansk. Many people regarded the Crimea as part of Ukraine as having no legal basis, but Donetsk and Lugansk regions have been part of Ukraine for a long time.

Russia, it is desirable that Ukraine was a neutral state

The West will resist and resent, but ultimately everything depends on the Russian leadership, and so far there have been statements about the need for negotiations on federalization. It is desirable for Russia that Ukraine be a neutral state, not entering into any hostile blocs in Moscow. There is a struggle for this now, and if the West wants it, then it will be so. If not, then Ukraine is waiting for something similar to what is happening in Georgia: poverty and unresolved territorial problems. And Russia acts quite competently and correctly.

We need the hostile Kiev “power” to leave, because it is capable of unleashing a full-scale military conflict for decades. Yes, she now has no troops, but they can appear, as happened in Georgia in due time.

As for the domestic political situation in Russia itself, the referendums in Ukraine have changed a lot in our country. The patriotic upsurge began, the popularity of Vladimir Putin sharply increased. And the liberal opposition has discredited itself with the unwavering support of the Kiev regime, which is committing outright crimes against the Russians by attacking its own citizens with helicopters, tanks and mortar.

Should we expect that Putin, in the wake of popularity, will take a number of steps of an internal political nature? It is difficult to say: after all, there were already many predictions about this, but they all did not come true. They talked about the resignation of the government, but it never happened; there were thoughts about the new Constitution, however, nothing has changed here either. Such things depend on Putin personally. And it is clear that the resignation of the government is the simplest step, but, I repeat, it has not been done yet.
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  1. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 15 May 2014 12: 04
    +6
    Good article.
    I cannot comment on the resignation of the government. Unless ... it seems that this is not so simple as it seems to the author of the article. There are many reasons for this. But the fact that Putin is gradually and systematically cleansing his environment is a fact.
    1. Hans51
      Hans51 15 May 2014 12: 07
      +35
      The third option is the entry of Donetsk and Lugansk into Russia according to the Crimean scenario. But so far this option seems unlikely, because the West threatens with sanctions.

      Our people need to be saved! In my opinion this is the best option ...
      1. Hans51
        Hans51 15 May 2014 12: 08
        +3
        And do not care about their sanctions ...
        1. from punk
          from punk 15 May 2014 12: 18
          +13
          Quote: Hans51
          And do not care about their sanctions ...

          you need to live your life so that the United States imposes sanctions on you !!! hiShamanov’s response to the sanctions, is it violet to me !! “And you won’t go to America?” the supreme commander-in-chief will order. soldier
          1. VNP1958PVN
            VNP1958PVN 15 May 2014 12: 31
            +6
            Life must be lived so that the United States will take over!
      2. Akvadra
        Akvadra 15 May 2014 12: 46
        +4
        The law of the border guards: "It is impossible to leave the border. The border will follow you. (Right in both directions)."
      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 15 May 2014 13: 21
        +2

        Great idea! It is a pity that this did not think about it before.
      4. Per se.
        Per se. 15 May 2014 13: 34
        +2
        Quote: Hans51
        Our people need to be saved! In my opinion this is the best option ..

        From the border we spun the Earth back -
        It was the case, first.
        But our battalion commander twisted it back,
        Having kicked off from the Urals.

        Finally, we were ordered to advance,
        To take away our spans and crumbs,
        But we remember how the sun went back
        And almost went into the East.

        We do not measure the Earth in steps
        Wasting flowers for nothing,
        We push her boots -
        From myself, from myself.
      5. Gorko
        Gorko 15 May 2014 17: 52
        0
        The third option is the entry of Donetsk and Lugansk into Russia according to the Crimean scenario. But so far this option seems unlikely, because the West threatens with sanctions.


        It is not only a matter of sanction. Russia in a trailer does not need Southeast Ukraine as part of the Russian Federation. Crimea is another matter, there the main reason was the base that the new government could escort from Crimea, plus the gas shelf, although not a large shelf, but nevertheless, Crimea is a peninsula and Russia is easier to block the way for Ukraine to the peninsula than in mainland Ukraine , Southeast of Ukraine, Russia is not needed for the reason that there are no strategic or economic interests and Russia will only incur losses if it joins these regions and not only from sanctions but also from subsidies to these regions that are unprofitable. It is more profitable for Russia if Donetsk and Lugansk regions remain independent, so Russia can manipulate them as puppets and oppose Kiev.

        PS So there is no need for illusions regarding the accession of the Southeast.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 15 May 2014 18: 48
          0
          You forget only one thing - the territory and people are eternal values ​​that are not subject to inflation. These are people who serve in the army and work in industry. Yes, a lot of money will have to be invested, but this is a capital investment, as when opening any business. I believe that while they are more useful as an independent New Russia, but in the future they will join Russia. It’s too early, but so far. Now the world is already divided and there is nowhere to take new lands from and it’s silly to refuse the opportunity to expand the living space for your people. But while the battle for Ukraine is underway, the DNI and LC are more useful than independent ones.
          1. Gorko
            Gorko 15 May 2014 21: 51
            +1
            You forget only one thing - the territory and people are eternal values ​​that are not subject to inflation. These are people who serve in the army and work in industry. Yes, a lot of money will have to be invested, but this is a capital investment, as when opening any business. I believe that while they are more useful as an independent New Russia, but in the future they will join Russia. It’s too early, but so far. Now the world is already divided and there is nowhere to take new lands from and it’s silly to refuse the opportunity to expand the living space for your people. But while the battle for Ukraine is underway, the DNI and LC are more useful than independent ones.

            You see, what you say may be good, but it’s all a fantasy, the Russian government doesn’t give a damn, they have strategic and economic plans, and protecting the civilian population is just populist cries, no matter how terrible this sounds, but these are the realities of foreign policy, almost all countries, each defends its interests, by any means. In other words: living with wolves howl like a wolf ...
    2. Klepa
      Klepa 15 May 2014 13: 10
      +2
      Lord! Here we are all about Ukraine, but we are talking about Ukraine. We chew all her problems. And at this time, in our Mother Russia, right in the capital city of Moscow, despite the ban of the authorities, they are going to hold two events on May 31: a gay parade and a bearded march named after Conchita Wurst.
      This is IN OUR TABLE CITY, WHICH HAS ONLY HAPPENED THE VICTORY PARADE, GOING TO BUILD SODA AND GOMORRA.
      http://rusnovosti.ru/news/318435/
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        1. Klepa
          Klepa 15 May 2014 13: 29
          +5
          I wonder if it is possible, in response to preventive measures, to hold on May 31 the combined holiday of the Navy, Airborne Forces, Pogran and Special Forces?
          1. Hans51
            Hans51 15 May 2014 13: 36
            +2
            Navy, Airborne, Border Guards and Special Forces! You hear? Want to stretch yourself? Rear wheel drive awaits 31 May!
            Klepa, inform everyone of this article! Homosexuality will not work!
          2. KC4E
            KC4E 15 May 2014 14: 09
            +1
            You can. The law of conscience does not prohibit.
      2. from punk
        from punk 15 May 2014 13: 58
        +1
        Quote: Klepa
        This is in OUR TABLE CITY,
        provocation for the Western media. when riot police will knead them. everything was planned just for that. they knew that there would be a ban
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          Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 15 May 2014 14: 33
          +1
          [quoteprovocation for Western media. when riot police will knead them. everything was planned just for that. they knew that there would be a ban]
          Let it turn out that it would result in a violation of Article CAO 20.2., And if they resist during detention, they will fall under Article CAO 19.3, and they can be imprisoned for the last 15 days. hi
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  1. Klepa
    Klepa 15 May 2014 18: 40
    0
    I also think that nefig will look back at the Western media, which even if everything is in chocolate, will tell us that we have bears in chains walking around the cities.
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    Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 15 May 2014 14: 33
    0
    [quoteprovocation for Western media. when riot police will knead them. everything was planned just for that. they knew that there would be a ban]
    Let it turn out that it would result in a violation of Article CAO 20.2., And if they resist during detention, they will fall under Article CAO 19.3, and they can be imprisoned for the last 15 days. hi
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  • KC4E
    KC4E 15 May 2014 14: 06
    +1
    Homoseyat, lezbie, shemales is the western garbage mud. They can’t clog Russia.
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 16 May 2014 08: 24
    0
    Quote: Al_lexx
    Good article.
    I cannot comment on the resignation of the government. Unless ... it seems that this is not so simple as it seems to the author of the article. There are many reasons for this. But the fact that Putin is gradually and systematically cleansing his environment is a fact.

    The author does not take into account other developments. But what if several more regions join the DPR - Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Kharkov, Zaporozhye ... over time, maybe Dnipropetrovsk along with Kirovograd. With such a development of events, the opinion of the West will not mean anything. If all areas decide to become part of the Russian Federation, then something will happen with forehead external pressure. The stakes are too high.
    It is very important what the experience of the integration of Crimea will be, if positive, it will be an example for everyone else. And for Russia, increasing the population to 160 million in one year will be a very timely step.
  • Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 15 May 2014 12: 04
    +3
    and we don’t need the Crimean scenario ... well, what for all hang on the neck. People should be given not a fish, but a fishing rod.
  • Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 15 May 2014 12: 06
    +4
    After the article by A. Wasserman, this article is not about anything ...
  • strannik595
    strannik595 15 May 2014 12: 07
    +1
    The current Ukrainian "rulers" are not at all inclined to any compromises.
    ........ as Koba said - "if the enemy does not surrender, he is destroyed"
    MOSCOW, May 14 - RIA Novosti. The Donbass People’s Militia intends to start a military operation in 24 hours if the Ukrainian military does not leave the roadblocks captured in the Donetsk region during this time, deputy commander of the Donbass militia Sergey Zdrilyuk told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.
    "If the armored vehicles are not driven away, the checkpoints of the so-called legitimate government are not removed, I have enough strength and resources, the commander supported me today, all this will be destroyed and burned. Reconnaissance and sabotage groups are ready to move and some are already in positions," - said Zdrilyuk.
    RIA News
    1. Hctu
      Hctu 15 May 2014 12: 39
      +2
      To whom is Koba, and to whom is Comrade Stalin. By the way, do you have a nickname at work?
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 15 May 2014 12: 57
        +1
        By the way, do you have a nickname at work?
        Yes, Gene Crocodile wink okay, don’t be offended, Cheburashka, I respect Joseph Vissarionovich, he wasn’t offended by an underground nickname, why does he bother you?
        His pseudonym approximately since the summer of 1903 (in the Kutaisi prison) becomes Koba, and since January 1904, under this pseudonym, Stalin has become known in the revolutionary movement of Transcaucasia.

        He varies this pseudonym in the illegal press, but he remains easily recognizable everywhere: K., K. Ko. , Koba Ivanovich, Comrade K. And he easily takes root, is well remembered, although not everyone (especially outside the Caucasus) can understand its hidden meaning and significance. But this is exactly what Stalin needs: he wants to have a pseudonym with meaning, but in such a way that this meaning doesn’t really hit the eyes and offer what is called “forehead”. Let only very smart guess.
        No matter how we interpret the word "Koba", whatever versions are taken as genuine, oddly enough, we always come to the conclusion that this pseudonym had a symbolic meaning for the young Dzhugashvili. And very deeply symbolic.
        If we proceed from the fact that Koba (Kobe, Kova, Kob) is taken from the Church Slavonic language, then it means - witchcraft, an omen of an augur, a magician, a fortuneteller,
  • deputy ___ watered
    deputy ___ watered 15 May 2014 12: 10
    +2
    I don’t know what will be the way out of the current situation, but surrenders it will not suit either side. Neither Kiev nor the east of Ukraine will lose ground. The power option will only aggravate the situation. A peacekeeping operation could weaken the contradictions, but then the Yugoslav version with big reservations will become possible. In the short term, the crisis and the appointment of Moscow as the main enemy (since one did not help and others historically consider Russia an enemy).
  • Yellow white
    Yellow white 15 May 2014 12: 10
    +4
    I think if it is impossible to accept the DPR and LPR as part of Russia, as well as the deployment of troops, it is necessary to officially turn for help to volunteers, those who wish will definitely!
    and with the support of private business, not government agencies ...
  • andj61
    andj61 15 May 2014 12: 11
    +3
    "Crimean scenario in the South-East of Ukraine is unlikely"

    the impression is that the author persuades himself.
  • lexxxus
    lexxxus 15 May 2014 12: 12
    +1
    http://politobzor.net/show-21644-evropa-i-kanada-neytralizuyut-sankcii-i-priznay
    ut-oshibki.html
    Well, the brain has turned on - there will be no war !!!
  • marder4
    marder4 15 May 2014 12: 12
    +2
    "And the liberal opposition discredited itself by reckless support of the Kiev regime, which is committing outright crimes against the Russians, attacking its own citizens with the use of helicopters, tanks and mortars." - yeah, our liberals screwed up in full ...
  • Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 15 May 2014 12: 13
    +3
    Most likely, the first option will pass, no one believes Kiev, and being an unrecognized state gives more opportunities for independence, boosting the economy and putting pressure on Kiev.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 15 May 2014 12: 13
    +3
    the liberal opposition has discredited itself with the unwavering support of the Kiev regime, which is committing outright crimes against Russians

    I propose to introduce an article in the Criminal Code that provides for criminal liability for the denial of crimes of the Ukrainian regime in the period from 22.02.2014. - ... (?) on the territory of Ukraine (Odessa, Mariupol, Krasnoarmeysk, Slavyansk and beyond everywhere ...). And look at the faces of Makarevich, Shenderovich, etc. ... whose.
  • mig31
    mig31 15 May 2014 12: 14
    +1
    Without options, the people decide how, where and where to be ...
  • Dave36
    Dave36 15 May 2014 12: 15
    +2
    The eternal question .. to be or not to be ... For a person who is used to analyzing everything, there are much fewer answers than questions ... Honestly, Hohland wants to break many states, and this, in addition to the main aggressor in the form of the USA, the Russian Federation has clearly defined its position .. We are against Fascism, but not for new subjects in the Russian Federation .. by the way, because of Russia, all the uncertainty. Until Putin identifies a position on the Southeast, there will be no understanding in Kiev, and this is a fait accompli ..
  • Same lech
    Same lech 15 May 2014 12: 18
    +1
    Yes, she now has no troops, but they may appear, as happened in Georgia in due time.



    So it will be .... given the insatiable desire of the Kiev junta to suppress the unrest of the people in the SOUTH-EAST ..

    Therefore, DONBAS and LUGANSK just urgently need to find good organizers from among the officials for the construction of all branches of government ... this is a matter of life and death of these republics.

    Only a good organization and iron discipline of power structures can make the whole world listen to the people of the SOUTH-EAST.


    It would be nice to adopt the methods of building a new state of the Bolshevik party ....

    in the midst of a severe crisis, devastation, intervention .... they managed not only to create a state but also repel all attacks of the WHITE GUARD and the ANTANTA troops.
  • vsoltan
    vsoltan 15 May 2014 12: 20
    +3
    I disagree with the author of the article. The reunification of Russia with its daughter Novorossiya will take place. It's just that Putin is carefully waiting, does not want all this stench in geyrope and from overseas .... It is not at all a fact that there is a need to introduce our troops .... but from the so-called. "sanctions" - and Geyropa understood this - they also lose. As a result, in Ukraine ... the scorpions will devour themselves, the anarchy in the center and in the west will only get worse ... at the same time, the youth-east will strengthen, it will grow in several more areas ... and independently, first de facto , and then de jure will go to us.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 15 May 2014 12: 26
      +1
      Apparently, the legal purity of the fact is needed. I agree with your opinion.
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 15 May 2014 13: 13
      0
      I think the same. Reunion is a matter of time. In no case should you rush. Let these bearded women and the painted men in the West (and here as well) weary and rage further to frenzy and loss of consciousness. Quietly need to wait out this tantrum, and then do it as we need.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 15 May 2014 12: 21
    +4
    It is necessary to fully support Novorossia, not including it in the Russian Federation. It should be a separate state, allied with Russia.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 15 May 2014 12: 24
    +2
    What kind of negotiations can we talk about at a time when the fascist junta burns alive people in Odessa, kills dissenters throughout Ukraine, what federalization if there is an open genocide of the people of Ukraine! And why all this, and the little box just opens up: the interests of American capital in South - In the East of Ukraine, as they say, "business and nothing personal"! But what scenario will be determined by neither the politicians nor the junta, but the people of Donbass will decide, or rather, they have already decided to vote for the sovereignty of their territories and no force will stop it. The blood of the martyrs of Odessa, Mariupol and the entire Donbass will not allow this!
  • Agat
    Agat 15 May 2014 12: 28
    +5
    Wonderful words from I. Berkut's article ".... Ukrainians need to return not Crimea. Ukrainians need to return to themselves the happiness of living in the largest country on earth and, perhaps, in one of the richest. And this country begins in Chop, and ends on the Kuril ridge. "
    http://vu.ua/article/Igor_Berkut/interview/1831.html
    What country are we talking about? About our common?
    1. Ased
      Ased 15 May 2014 12: 34
      +4
      When Urkaints, Estonians, Latvians and others could say:
      OUR man was the first in space, WE defeated fascism!
      Now they say: YOU have occupied us!
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 15 May 2014 12: 42
        +2
        Ased
        When Urkaints, Estonians, Latvians and others could say:
        OUR man was the first in space, WE defeated fascism!
        Now they say: YOU have occupied us!

        But now, they will not be able to say that they Won, that they Flying, that they Achieved THAT THEY ARE GREAT COUNTRY!
        1. Ased
          Ased 15 May 2014 13: 46
          0
          This is how national pride dies.
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  • Gloria45
    Gloria45 15 May 2014 12: 33
    +2
    Itogi za 2 nedeli:
  • Platov
    Platov 15 May 2014 12: 35
    +2
    I do not see Donbass as part of Russia in the near future. Assisting morally, legally, financially is the first duty of Russia. People need help in expressing themselves.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 15 May 2014 12: 35
    +1
    Should we expect that Putin, in the wake of popularity, will take a number of steps of an internal political nature? It is difficult to say: after all, there were already many predictions about this, but they all did not come true. They talked about the resignation of the government, but it never happened; there were thoughts about the new Constitution, however, nothing has changed here either. Such things depend on Putin personally. And it is clear that the resignation of the government is the simplest step, but, I repeat, it has not been done yet.


    There is no need to rush with reforms and resignations, you can "break the wood", but it is not possible to postpone them forever.
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought 15 May 2014 12: 37
    +1
    Our leadership needs to do what is beneficial to Russia, and not what is beneficial to individual politicians, whose selfish interests are diametrically opposed to the interests of our state. They just need to be removed from leading posts. Dear President of the Russian Federation, please pay attention to the fact that around you there are such personalities that are a brake on your policy.
  • MG42
    MG42 15 May 2014 12: 39
    +4
    Yesterday I came across a curious video about how the junta hides the traces of crimes in the trade union house in Odessa, where they burned people by concreting some cabinet doors, sealing passages along some corridors with an iron blank fence, filling blood stains with soil on the floor, tearing off wallpaper on the walls where there were blood stains and etc
  • Gagarin
    Gagarin 15 May 2014 12: 44
    +1
    Here are listed three possible scenarios .....
    Putin will be silent for a little while, and the events will go according to the FOURTH OPTION.
    1. MG42
      MG42 15 May 2014 12: 47
      +2
      Quote: Gagarin
      Putin will be silent for a little while, and the events will go according to the FOURTH OPTION.

      It was infa that from May 21 to May 26 in the Voronezh region of the Russian Federation large-scale exercises of the Russian Armed Forces are being prepared, maybe this is not just a muscle game? bully

      http://www.amic.ru/news/265584/

      The press service of the Air Force of Russia said that the helicopters Mi-8, Mi-24, Mi-28, Ka-52, Su-27, Su-24, Su-25, Su-34 planes will take part in the exercises and MiG-29.
  • Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx 15 May 2014 12: 48
    0
    I fully agree with the author of the article.
  • Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 15 May 2014 12: 49
    +1
    I do not agree about a neutral neighbor!
    Neutral means colorless. What little dribbled, such a shade will turn out. And the intensity of the shade will depend on the volume poured.
    If Ukraine were not neutral, and had a clear policy of unity with Russia, the US and the EU would not have poked their head in with a maidan and a coup. There would be no meaning.
    The neighbor is either good or bad - you always know who is nearby. And neutral - not fish or meat and constantly wait for the catch.
    Norway during the Second World War was neutral. And the German army supplied seafood.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 15 May 2014 12: 53
    +1
    I think, and all the prerequisites for this today indicate that the Donetsk and Lugansk republics will form a common republic "Novorossia" will create an army (the figure flashed that there are about 27 thousand volunteers), with the help of Russia, of course, and will lead an offensive on other regions of the South-East Ukraine, with the aim of overthrowing the illegal Kiev government and annexing them (through appropriate referendums) to themselves. Perhaps they will even liberate Kiev and destroy the Bandera-fascist government in Ukraine or it will be overthrown by the insurgent people. This, I think, is Putin's plan. In this case, the liberation of Ukraine will take place without the introduction of Russian troops into the territory of Ukraine and the United States and the EU will be splashing saliva without force. It is still difficult to predict how the future of Ukraine will develop, whether this plan will be implemented or whether Ukraine will presidential elections with less than 10 days left. Undoubtedly, the president will be the protégé of the United States and Ukrainian nationalists, an active participant in the overthrow of the Yanukovych regime, the oligarch Poroshenko-Waltzman. And this is regardless of the wishes of the Ukrainian people. Political technologies have long been developed that make it possible to disregard the wishes of the people. This is a cunning, narcissistic, cruel person. If he becomes president, Ukraine will have a lot of grief.
  • scientist
    scientist 15 May 2014 13: 04
    +3
    The script, or rather the result will be Kosovo. Because the main scriptwriters of the world order are sitting in Washington. The rest of the world is trying to live its own mind and work for itself, and not for "Uncle Sam". Naturally, the latter do not like it extremely.
    Now the DPR and LPR will form the bodies of power, and perhaps to stabilize the situation, they will need to deploy Russian military bases. Although even this is unlikely, it is not South Ostia and Abkhazia, their economic and human potential will allow them to easily create sufficiently powerful armed forces at the locations of Ukrainian military units that will either flee closer to Kiev or will be methodically destroyed in 12 hours and still run, but not all.
  • suharev-52
    suharev-52 15 May 2014 13: 34
    0
    Let's wait and see tomorrow how many words go wrong with deeds. But basically everything goes according to plan. We must not forget that in the territory that proclaimed independence, military operations are ongoing and the formation of new institutions of power is much more difficult to carry out than in Crimea. Sincerely.
  • DGZ
    DGZ 15 May 2014 13: 52
    +1
    First of all, you need to establish a calm and legal life in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. And to do this by the forces of those living there themselves. And then think about joining. And then Russia will help. Relying in everything on Russia, and at the same time by Nichrome himself not to do it wrong.
  • Manul49
    Manul49 15 May 2014 14: 29
    +1
    Quote: Ruswolf
    I do not agree about a neutral neighbor!
    Neutral means colorless. What little dribbled, such a shade will turn out. And the intensity of the shade will depend on the volume poured.
    If Ukraine were not neutral, and had a clear policy of unity with Russia, the US and the EU would not have poked their head in with a maidan and a coup. There would be no meaning.
    The neighbor is either good or bad - you always know who is nearby. And neutral - not fish or meat and constantly wait for the catch.
    Norway during the Second World War was neutral. And the German army supplied seafood.


    Yeah. Good neutrals:

    “In June 1941, recruitment points were opened in Norway and the recruitment of Norwegian volunteers to send to the Eastern Front began, the SS Volunteer Legion Norway was created on August 1, 1941. In 1942, the Norwegian Legion was sent to the Leningrad Front.

    In February 1942, with the permission of the German occupation administration, the "National Government" was created, headed by Vidkun Quisling.

    In August 1943, the Quisling government declared war on the USSR, and in January 1944, it began mobilizing 70 thousand Norwegians into military units that were to participate in hostilities on the Eastern Front. Mobilization was disrupted, as of May 19, 1944, 300 people arrived at the mobilization points [17]. In total, during the war in Norway, about 15 thousand people were mobilized, of which 6 thousand were sent to the Soviet-German front. "

    From Wiki.
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 16 May 2014 01: 32
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      Here I am talking about!
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  • mackonya
    mackonya 15 May 2014 14: 32
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    I do not see an "urgent" need for new subjects of the DPR and LPR to join the Russian Federation. It will be enough for these two "new" republics to unite into Novorossiya, and then Russia will recognize the independence of this subject of international law and will help economically and humanitarianly. Here, after all, this is the question of accepting two more subjects, then immediately the US and the EU will begin to adopt more stringent sanctions, no one needs it. And the question also arises of how to be in Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk, and Odessa too. If we introduce a referendum system throughout the South-East of Ukraine, then it is already possible to unite into Novorossia not only Donetsk and Lugansk, but also Kharkov-Dnepropetrovsk and Odessa. And then the most important thing will be solved the issue of the water blockade of Crimea and immediately exit to the Dniester region. Ukraine will soon begin to be pulled over from the Western side of Transcarpathia, they can also hold a referendum.
  • sinukvl
    sinukvl 15 May 2014 14: 49
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    KIEV, May 15 - RIA Novosti. Nominated by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine On Thursday, President Alexander Turchinov announced that, as part of the special operation, the Ukrainian security forces completely destroyed the militia’s military base near Kramatorsk.

    According to him, the military base disguised in the forest was liquidated on Thursday night. "The fortified area within the city of Slavyansk was also destroyed tonight," Turchinov said during a parliament meeting

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140515/1007849097.html


    KRAMATORSK, May 15. / ITAR-TASS /. On the evening of May 14, Ukrainian security forces staged "imitation of armed actions" against a militia group in the area of ​​the settlements Solntsevo and Starovarvarovka near Kramatorsk (Donetsk region). About this corr. ITAR-TASS was reported on May 15 by a representative of the people's militia.
    According to him, "a convoy of armored vehicles of 10 units, supported by six helicopters, entered the village of Solntsevo," from where, for half an hour, "intense fire was heard, including from large-caliber weapons." A representative of the militia, who witnessed these events, claims that "the shooting went nowhere, they fired into the sky and into an open field, there is no forest belt even nearby in this area. There were no representatives of the militia in this area at all, especially no base."
    No information was received on casualties and injuries among the militias as a result of armed clashes in the area from the self-defense headquarters.


    No, this is what kind of hemp in the steppes of Donetschenna this year became ugly. There, the right-wingers smoked them and the forest in the steppe was seen and the base disguised. If they continue to catch up with this, then you look and they will see a dense pine forest and already a whole fortified area in that forest camouflaged!
  • sv68
    sv68 15 May 2014 16: 22
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    it means that efforts must be made so that the southeast repeats the fate of Crimea, proving that if you want something badly, it will happen. The Donetsk and Lugansk republics should eventually become part of Russia
  • budizdorov
    budizdorov 15 May 2014 22: 21
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    So far, all the same USA pokes its nose everywhere and where they are not asked, there will be no order on Earth.
    Maybe right now Russia can help her, move to a second role.