GPS stations in Russia will turn off

According to RIA "News", with reference to the press secretary to the head of the Cabinet of Ministers of the Russian Federation, Natalia Timakova, the statement of the Russian vice-premier Dmitry Rogozin about the possible curtailment of cooperation with the United States in some areas of the space industry has been agreed by the government.

In particular, Dmitry Rogozin said that from 1 June, 11 individual GPS stations will be suspended in Russia, and from 1 September they can be completely disabled. This could be a response to the refusal of the United States to host the signal correction station of the GLONASS navigation system.

“Since we have not had any progress in recent months in a similar deployment of the GLONASS system in the United States, the time for resolving this issue remains before May 31. With 1 June, we suspend the operation of these stations in the territory of the Russian Federation, ”the prime minister said. newsru.com.

In addition, the Deputy Prime Minister raised the issue of the supply of NK-33 and RD-180 rocket engines. In connection with the sanctions against Russia, the United States imposed a ban on their purchase, but the United Launch Alliance corporation and the US government sent a federal court a request to lift the temporary ban on the purchase of Russian-made rocket engines.

In particular, Rogozin noted that Russia is not against resuming deliveries, but only on condition that the engines will not be used to launch military vehicles. “We will proceed from the fact that without guarantees that our engines are used only for launching non-military spacecraft, we cannot supply them to the United States,” the deputy prime minister said.

As noted by RIA "News", disabling GPS stations will not affect normal users.

“As far as we know, turning off ground GPS stations will only affect ultra-precise positioning, which is not used for civilian purposes. Ordinary users should not feel any changes when using the smartphone as a navigator, ”said Alexey Gromakov, marketing director of Huawei Consumer Business Group in Russia.

Comments

[JoylyRoger]

I read the news yesterday, I was upset. I thought, all the navigation, GLONASS, then not all devices support it. But then he calmed down, with assurances that such accuracy is not needed, no one will suffer. It remains only to wait and check

[schizophrenic]

Correctly Rogozin says, it turns out the sheep will be more whole, the bear is calmer, and sneeze on the wolves.

[domokl]

I’m not sure that now my navigator will work ... But okay .. I will return to the paper map ... The main thing is that the navigators of the missiles of the potential enemy turn off ...

[igor_m_p]

Quote: domokl

not sure now my navigator will work ...

Will work. Moreover, depending on where you live, perhaps even nothing will change. I just know that this will not affect me in any way - there is not one such station in Kamchatka, and nothing, no buzzing Without diff corrections issued by stations, the error in determining the coordinates is 3-5 meters.

[Canep]

Quote: igor_m_p

Kamchatka has no such stations

And it will not be, your Kamchatka is not a very calm area in the seismic sense, and for observation stations you need to know your coordinates very accurately, and your land is literally shaking, then the volcano will wake up, then it just shakes. The best location for observation stations - Africa is firstly seismic stability, secondly Africa is practically stationary. Eurasia is in second place, and Australia is in last. So for amers, the loss of 11 observation stations in Eurasia is a much greater nuisance than the loss of our observation stations in the United States. But nothing more than a nuisance, even if the accuracy drops from centimeters to meters, for warriors this is an acceptable error. The lieutenant colonel, the commander of the artillery regiment, said: an officer-jacket-topographer came to him and started fiddling with the battery binding, an hour later the underground could not stand it, came up and asked that he had been tying the battery for so long, and he asked him - “I cannot remove the binding error in 3 centimeters ", the underground says to the three-story ones: -" What caliber of guns do you have? ", the one: -" 122 mm ", underground -" translate into centimeters ", letekha: -" damn it, 12 centimeters. " For almost all cases of life, warriors will have enough accuracy of 1 meter.

[KazaK Bo]

For almost all cases, the life of the warriors will have enough accuracy of 1 meter.

All this is so ... but it’s not so ... because the inaccuracies will be calculated already and not tens of meters ... As the product was launched on the ballistic ... so it will fly with an "ax", because there will be no possibility of maneuvering and making corrections for accurate guidance ... and terrain maps ... compiled from satellite photos using electronic warfare stations are now no longer so effective and practical ... This is the area of ​​our defense ... where there is still a lot of thinking ...
Well, artillerymen have not yet used these stations of the CPP ... and they are unlikely to have this opportunity ... they still need to come to our territory ...

[aleks 62]

.... These stations are needed to adjust the internal time on the satellites and, accordingly, the synchronization of their work, which directly affects the accuracy of positioning, because the meaning of the work of the GPS and GLONAS is based on the time the signal travels from the satellite to the receiver .... Knowing which satellite is coming from the signal and its transit time, the receiver calculates the coordinates .... The more satellites, the greater the accuracy .... For a citizen, accuracy of 20-30m is not a problem, but for a military man it’s already bad ...

[KazaK Bo]

For almost all cases, the life of the warriors will have enough accuracy of 1 meter.

All this is so ... but it’s not so ... because the inaccuracies will be calculated already and not tens of meters ... As the product was launched on the ballistic ... so it will fly with an "ax", because there will be no possibility of maneuvering and making corrections for accurate guidance ... and terrain maps ... compiled from satellite photos using electronic warfare stations are now no longer so effective and practical ... This is the area of ​​our defense ... where there is still a lot of thinking ...
Well, artillerymen have not yet used these stations of the CPP ... and they are unlikely to have this opportunity ... they still need to come to our territory ...

[Papakiko]

Quote: Canep

So, for amers, the loss of 11 observation stations in Eurasia

Serge amend your entries: In the territory of Russia, it is reserved 19 ground stations ZhPS.
And the total number and location of all stations- There is a big secret.

[Obliterator]

http://www.sdcm.ru/smglo/st_gps?version=eng&repdate&site=extern
But aren't they?

[igor_m_p]

Quote: Obliterator

But aren't they?

It is not they. These are just the values ​​of differential corrections for different regions, calculated using those same stations. If you have the appropriate software, you can manually download them to some GPS receivers, but it’s not known how long they will last.
In fact, having an accurate GPS receiver, a computer, a transmitter for the appropriate frequencies and knowing the exchange protocols, a small correction station can be made independently. Will work at the range at which the transmitter hits.

[igor_m_p]

Quote: Canep

And it won’t be, your Kamchatka is not a very seismic area

Of course I'm sorry, but apparently you are a little off topic. The seismicity of the region in no way affects the operation of ground stations. To immediately dismiss objections, there are WAAS GPS correction stations along the entire Pacific coast of the states and Canada at intervals of 300-400 miles. They were installed to improve navigation conditions in coastal areas. The Pacific coast of North America is part of the so-called "ring of fire", that is, seismic activity there is no less than ours, but it does not affect the operation of correction stations in any way.
Not only that, in fact, there are correction stations in Kamchatka, only firstly, only two-beam devices can receive their signal, that is, civilian models, and most marine ones will not work with them, and secondly, these stations are not stationary, they are installed in area of ​​work of volcanologists, geologists, surveyors as necessary, at the end of the work removed.
Well, one more thing. In addition to determining coordinates by GPS, astronomical methods still exist. From my window you can clearly see the geodesic observatory on the hatch, its coordinates are always known and with very high accuracy, so if you put a ground correction station at this observatory, then there will be no problems at all.
In principle, I can give a whole lecture on exactly how these stations work, but I'm afraid the bulletin will work out with a good article.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

You won’t believe ..... I went to Orenburg ... about 600 km .... The navigator is excellent, Garmin, anyway, I looked 10 times into the Atlas of roads .......- shows the road through the forest ... hell He knows where ... he caught a summer resident ... he says- It’s only there is a winter road, fuel trucks go, they carry stolen gas .... And that’s in the navigator! And laughter and sin! 100% can not rely on him!

[pv1005]

The navigator should be used together with the head, and not instead of it. And before using it is recommended to at least look through the route that he drew and, if necessary, make corrections. Something like this.

[Professor]

GPS accuracy will decrease by 1-2% due to disconnection of stations in Russia
Disabling and subsequent dismantling of correction stations of the American navigation system Navstar GPS will reduce the accuracy of measurements by 1-2%, says corresponding member of the Tsiolkovsky Russian Academy of Cosmonautics Andrei Ionin. At the same time, GPS will continue to be the most accurate satellite navigation system with a location error of 1,5 m. The Russian GLONASS system now provides measurements with an error of 2,7 m.
Do not worry, the navigator will not be affected.

[Cormorants]

In plans for the next couple of years, GLONAS will reduce the error, so we will not lose much from disabling the system of "potential friends".

[aleks 62]

.... The accuracy of the system is affected by the number of satellites ... Amers have something about 36 in my opinion, while glonas has much less ... They will increase the orbital constellation of satellites and the accuracy will be no worse than the zhps ...

[Cormorants]

In plans for the next couple of years, GLONAS will reduce the error, so we will not lose much from disabling the system of "potential friends".

[Beccer]

Well, that reassured, I really wanted to cut the sausage on the iPad.

[Canep]

Quote: Beccer

I really wanted to cut sausage on the iPad

A knife is not a pity? on this gadget the screen glass is very solid, the knife will be dull.

[Canep]

Good Professor

Quote: professor

Do not worry, the navigator will not be affected. wink

If only the marker indicating your position on the map didn’t run farther than 10 meters from the road indicated on the navigator’s map, and if we take into account that the maps loaded in these navigators are not very accurate (often the road is not marked or drawn a few meters from its real location), then I think we just don’t notice this decrease in the accuracy of determining the location.

[Professor]

Quote: Canep

If only the marker indicating your position on the map didn’t run further than 10 meters from the road indicated on the navigator’s map

The correct cards must be used and a powerful processor. For navigation accuracy of 3-5 meters is excessive.

[Canep]

Professor, in your promised, everything has been measured and digitized for a long time, and here in Kazakhstan this is still a long way off. For us, maps for navigators are often made using satellite imagery, and geo-referencing is left until better times.

[aleks 62]

... but where are we to get them wretched and wretched ????

[sir.jonn]

Quote: professor

The correct cards must be used and a powerful processor. For navigation accuracy of 3-5 meters is excessive

Hunters and fishermen will kill you now , their numerous caches and devices to look for is not enough. Well, for us ordinary people will do.

[domokl]

Quote: professor

At the same time, GPS will continue to be the most accurate satellite navigation system.

I don’t argue. The system works fine in most places. But I personally had to go through a few rather unpleasant minutes when this system started me in the Urals ... In short, it’s good that at least an officer got an understanding ... You’re not the first one to say ... Turn off and turn on near the city

[igor_m_p]

Quote: JoylyRoger

I read the news yesterday, I was upset. I thought, all the navigation, GLONASS, then not all devices support it.

You can not be upset. The move is purely political; it has practically no practical meaning. Ground stations are stations that issue the so-called differential corrections, which allow you to raise the accuracy of measurements to several centimeters, and sometimes to fractions of centimeters. In everyday life, and even in military terms, the accuracy provided without these amendments (3-5 meters) is enough. The range of one station is usually 25-30 kilometers, maximum - 200 nautical miles.
Now calculate what percentage of the territory of Russia is covered by these eleven stations, even if they have a maximum radius of action?
In addition, differential corrections can be received not only from ground stations, but also from satellites, although most of these services are paid, but those who need to be paid are not so expensive there.

[Papakiko]

Quote: igor_m_p

The range of one station is usually 25-30 kilometers, with a maximum of 200 nautical miles.

My dear, you could read the height of the work of the satellites of the ZHPS system for a start in Wikipedia, and then you didn’t have to "pearl-pearl".
for educational program: The satellite constellation of the NAVSTAR (GPS) system revolves around the Earth in circular orbits with the same altitude and orbital period for all satellites. Circular orbit with a height of about 20 km is the daily orbit with a circulation period of 11 hours 58 minutes; Thus, the satellite makes two orbits around the Earth in one stellar day (23 hours 56 minutes). Orbital inclination (55 °) is also common to all satellites in the system. The only difference between the satellite’s orbits is the longitude of the ascending node, or the point at which the plane of the satellite’s orbit crosses the equator: these points are approximately 60 degrees apart. Thus, despite the same (except for the longitude of the ascending node) orbital parameters, the satellites revolve around the Earth in six different planes, 4 vehicles in each.

[igor_m_p]

Dear, before trying to open your eyes to the common truths of a person who is a specialist in the issue under discussion, it would be worth reading what I wrote CAREFULLY, after that ask what differential corrections are, where they come from, how they are calculated, how they are used, find out , what is WAAS, EGNOS, WAGE, SDKM, in general, what is DGPS and what is it eaten with. Well, after that, using your own words, "pearl-pearl".

[Papakiko]

Quote: igor_m_p

where they come from, how they are calculated, how they are used, find out what WAAS, EGNOS, WAGE, SDKM are, in general, what DGPS is and what it is eaten with.

Purely for the average person: this is a meaningless set of letters from the English alphabet.

Quote: igor_m_p

It would be worth reading what I wrote ATTENTIVELY

So I read your second "pearl" and the broadcast has not changed.

Quote: igor_m_p

For a long time I worked with various GPS systems, and now sometimes I have to face it. And with household, and with marine and with specialized.

Oh yes, especially with VARIOUS GPS SYSTEMS .....
SRNS GLONASS, GPS NAVSTAR, TEN GALILEO, BDS COMPASS, QZSS, IRNSS and GNSS.
It is all in its essence and purpose - navigation satellite systems.
Where do they have GPS ?!

Regards and all that.

[igor_m_p]

Quote: Papakiko

It is all in its essence and purpose - navigation satellite systems.

My message was about terrestrial stations designed to transmit differential corrections working with GPS systems NAVSTAR and TEN GALILEO (systems are fully compatible). So, the ground stations of the WAAS diff corrections broadcasting system transmit a signal of about 200 nautical miles, and the reference station installed on the main building of Moscow State University (if still alive) worked within a radius of about 30 km.
And what does the height of the orbit?

[Papakiko]

Quote: igor_m_p

And what does the height of the orbit?

Restless what, persistent ish.
Chago I say nonsense, as on a buffet?
Bazar Station around 19 not 11 GPS base stations.
Most of the presence or designation of these stations is not even suspected and is over-REFLECTED.

Quote: igor_m_p

and the reference station installed on the main building of Moscow State University (if still alive) worked within a radius of about 30 km.

You do not confuse her with; The NMT standard is analogue and belongs to the FDMA (Frequency Division Multiplie Access) group of cellular communication standards. ????
the link is more than understandable (but no hey .. it’s not clear) it is written about VASS and with what to eat it: http://yug-gps.narod.ru/docs/000x/st005.htm
To this I will depart.

[igor_m_p]

Quote: Papakiko

You do not confuse her

I do not confuse her. It has nothing to do with cellular communications, especially NMT.

[Roman1970]

But I don't believe in any assurances ... I would like to hear the opinion of narrow-profile specialists, people, professionals in the field of satellite positioning. And in general, it seems that all these so-called "sanctions" (of which I am tired of hearing about) from the United States, most likely, are nothing more than attempts to save face. Like, we will not let the commander of the Airborne Forces into the United States ... So what? Is he in command of the American Airborne Forces? What artwork did he forget there? It is unlikely that any country will do REAL damage to the national economy for the sake of politics.

[igor_m_p]

Quote: Roman1970

But I don’t believe in any assurances ...

Read my comment above. I worked with various GPS systems for a long time, and now sometimes I have to deal with it. And with household, and with marine and with specialized. And the problem of diff corrections first encountered more than ten years ago, when there was not a single station in Russia.

[Mercenary]

"Language will bring to Kiev" and I think our answer is correct. And then these adversaries on our land can have a station, but we do not have them.

[Little Muck]

Quote: JoylyRoger

I thought, all the navigation, GLONASS, then not all devices support it.

Thought right. Now, Amer’s missiles will need to be equipped with a well-meaning finger and an interpreter who, when asked about the direction, will receive an answer: H.ren knows it somewhere around 10 minutes to the right, and there you will ask grandmothers.

[karal]

GLONASS-enabled navigators have long been on sale, so let them shove their GPS deeper

[Roshchin]

It’s high time to allow the sale of even civilian navigators with mandatory GLONASS support, and not just GPS. Rogozin did not say how the trial ended with large-scale theft of the state. funds for the implementation of GLONASS. It’s good, of course, to adequately respond to partners, and even better to ensure that our system is more convenient, reliable, cheaper. All should be led by competent, decent men, and not thieves shnorovye.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: JoylyRoger

I read the news yesterday, I was upset. I thought, all the navigation, GLONASS, then not all devices support it. But then he calmed down, with assurances that such accuracy is not needed, no one will suffer. It remains only to wait and check

It’s necessary the ZhPS + GLONAS navigator and everything will be in openwork, I personally have already had a touristic accordion with support for both systems for 1,5 years.

[Al_lexx]

And to hell with them. There will be less opportunity for tamahawks.

[ronin]

And when will they transfer NASA trampoline?

[Wiktoor]

Well, of course, a trampoline to them, maybe a swing yet?
I am against squandering the space industry.

[podpolkovnik]

Quote: wiktoor

Well, of course, a trampoline to them, maybe a swing yet?
I am against squandering the space industry.

[Orc-xnumx]

Better slingshot!

[Orc-xnumx]

Better slingshot!

[Little Muck]

Quote: ronin

And when will they transfer NASA trampoline?

When agree with the team of coaches of the Russian national trampoline team.

[Andrey from Tver]

GPS stations in Russia will turn off

Entrust this honorable mission to Chubais.

[rasputin17]

Then he will also take the equipment from them for debts and they will still have to stay with him !!

[e_krendel]

And rightly so, get your sanctions back!

[fregina1]

Rogozin is handsome! Keep it up! GPS is not alternative! You need to develop your GLONASS taxis!

[Professor]

Quote: fregina1

GPS is not alternative!

To date, there is no alternative to it. The chips for GLONAS are made by the American Quelcom and can change their mind at any time.

[Flinky]

The production of chips is short-lived and deployed at our "Mikron". Moreover, they do not require 22-nm technologies.

[Professor]

Quote: Flinky

The production of chips is short-lived and deployed at our "Mikron". Moreover, they do not require 22-nm technologies.

They must first be developed, so that they do not weigh 2 kg and ate like an iron. Even in the West, not everyone is able to do this.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

And China is stamping billions .... and he is a friend to us, and he will share!

[ultra]

CB Navis has been manufacturing receivers for the Russian GLONASS navigation system since 1996. The company occupies about 70% of the GLONASS / GPS receiver market, being the largest and most respected developer and manufacturer of this equipment.

[Victor-M]

Quote: professor

They must first be developed, so that they do not weigh 2 kg and ate like an iron. Even in the West, not everyone is able to do this.

In Israel we will buy.

[Professor]

Quote: Victor-M

In Israel we will buy.

May not sell. Here, 2 weeks ago, the Russian cruiser was denied access to the Israeli port ...

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: professor

May not sell.

"What is not sold for money can be sold for BIG money ..."

[Professor]

Quote: stalkerwalker

"What is not sold for money can be sold for BIG money ...

there are things that are not sold for money, for example, the safety of citizens

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

More details about the cruiser?

[Professor]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

More details about the cruiser?

Today it was reported in the local media (I heard on the army radio) that 2 weeks ago a "Russian missile cruiser" asked to enter an Israeli port and was refused "due to the situation in Ukraine." That's all the details.

[Marine One]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

More details about the cruiser?

Here they write about the refusal with reference to the newspaper "Haaretz" - http://www.israel7.ru/News/News.aspx/168690#.U3MziHZlT3U. It seems like a story a month ago - the "Kulakov" was not allowed into Haifa.

[aleks 62]

.... Afraid, shtol ??? ...

[timeout]

Quote: professor

They must first be developed, so that they do not weigh 2 kg and ate like an iron. Even in the West, not everyone is able to do this.

Prof, when you stop distorting? Universal GPS / GLONASS chips were developed back in 2007 by the Russian company Spirit-Telekom. 2008 DuoStar modules can still be found on sale. And the chip with the photo will be put on all navigation equipment for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, according to the new requirements of the Moscow Region.

Link for the curious: http://www.spiritnavigation.com/solutions.html

[Professor]

Quote: Timeout

Prof, when you stop distorting? Universal GPS / GLONASS chips were developed back in 2007 by the Russian company Spirit-Telekom. 2008 DuoStar modules can still be found on sale.

Yes Yes. The chip in the picture was advertised back in 2009 as consuming only 0.2 W and measuring 13x13 mm (which makes the match in your picture WELL VERY big ).Russian GLONASS developers overtake GPS They said that it costs 450 rubles, which is very expensive for such devices. However, now they offer for the same purpose a chip measuring 30 by 40 mm ...

[timeout]

Quote: professor

Now they offer for the same purpose a chip measuring 30 by 40 mm ...

The professor doesn’t need to turn everything over again, 30 by 40 is the size of the finished DuoStar module of the 2008 release, the standard format for modules, for example WiFi in laptops, that is, a regular expansion module.

The GG24 is made using 130 nm technology and this decision has already been completed, connect the antenna and the input / output system and the navigator is ready, 0,2 W even at 3,3 volts is 60 milliamps of consumption. Prof. don't deny the obvious! Or do you want to show again that Russia still does not have its own?

[Professor]

Quote: Timeout

The professor doesn’t need to turn everything over again, 30 by 40 is the size of the finished DuoStar module of the 2008 release, the standard format for modules, for example WiFi in laptops, that is, a regular expansion module.

Here is what the manufacturer writes:
Areas of use
car navigation systems
base stations WiMax, CDMA

Quote: Timeout

Prof. don't deny the obvious!

"Obvious" is it about the size of the match?

[timeout]

Quote: professor

"Obvious" is it about the size of the match?

No, it's about the size of Israel ... You yourself only confirmed what I wrote with a quote from the manufacturer. Wake up Prof, 2008 is long gone. The DuoStar module from the very beginning of production was installed in car navigators on Nissan and Volkswagen cars in the GPS functionality, and is still in demand. You can bang your head, but 60 milliamperes is not an iron, and the size 13x13 mm is not 2 kg. Yes, I forgot, in 4 months of 2014, 269 scientists from the USSR reimmigrated from Israel.

[Professor]

Have you already switched to "you"?

Quote: Timeout

You yourself only confirmed the quote I wrote from the manufacturer.

What did you confirm? What photo is your toad or the size of a match head 20 by 20 millimeters. I guess you have the biggest matches in the world ...

Quote: Timeout

Yes, I forgot, for 4 months of 2014, 269 scientists, immigrants from the USSR, re-immigrated from Israel.

Was the news on April 1st?

[aleks 62]

.... Drop into China ... There they will tell you what they can or cannot ... A good part of military electronics (components) is made by China .... Not so long ago, the scandal was serious among Amers ... And more ... Nobody will put imported electronics on strategic objects (not DVDs, after all) ..... The Iraqi experience taught everyone when, at the press of a button, the Iraqis suddenly lost electronics (in my French production) ...

[asar]

We do not have our own specialists ?!

[Professor]

Quote: asar

We do not have our own specialists ?!

Not. Where did they come from when technology stepped far forward? They give only theoretical knowledge at universities, no one prepares technologists, they don’t know how to work on Western equipment, but they don’t have their own. Guess who are the coolest technologists in this area?

[rasputin17]

Guess who are the coolest technologists in this area?

Chinese brothers !!! These can only take one photo of them !!!

[Professor]

Quote: rasputin17

Chinese brothers !!! These can only take one photo of them !!!

Do not guess. The most trained are Filipino engineers. Even in China itself, their sea is at the relevant enterprises.

[rasputin17]

Quote: professor

Quote: rasputin17

Chinese brothers !!! These can only take one photo of them !!!

Do not guess. The most trained are Filipino engineers. Even in China itself, their sea is at the relevant enterprises.

And it doesn’t matter who in the Chinese plants will do it! The problems of the Chinese factory owners in the implementation of the Russian contract do not bother us, the contract is a contract !!! We take responsibility for the payment according to the terms of the contract and they manufacture and supply with the sale of goods !! And who will be there in Chinese factories is not interesting to us. We do not meddle in relations between workers and employers! Let even Obama for a couple with McCain and psaki to help them !!!

[aleks 62]

... Even in China itself, their sea at the corresponding enterprises .... So the Filipinos are of CHINESE origin !!!! :)))))))))))))

[aleks 62]

.... Well, of course .... The Chinese !!!!!

[Corsair0304]

We copy and do.

[ultra]

Navis Design Bureau, a domestic manufacturer of equipment for the GLONASS satellite network, presented two models of navigation receivers of the new NV2009C series at ChipEXPO-08. Both chips support GLONASS / GPS / GALILEO / COMPASS networks. Of greatest interest is the NV08C-MCM-M model, the first full-featured domestic receiver chip with GLONASS support, which does not require installation of additional components except an antenna and power supply for operation.

[aleks 62]

.... Professor .... All or almost all of the electronics are made by China, of course, under the Quelcom brand ... :))))))))

[Professor]

Quote: aleks 62

.... Professor .... All or almost all of the electronics are made by China, of course, under the Quelcom brand ... :))))))))

To be precise, Quelkom does not have its own production, that is, fabless. It also places orders in China, but mainly in Korea and Taiwan.

[mojohed2012]

Keep it up.
On the border with Ukraine - EW forces - extinguish all the sources of Americans and the EU there.

[silverwolf88]

A normal response ... to deprive GPS of the support of those synchronizers that are installed on our territory ...
For GLONASS, this is not relevant ... the system was originally built as managed only from our territory ...

[Professor]

Quote: silberwolf88

For GLONASS, this is not relevant ... the system was originally built as managed only from our territory ...

It's not about management, but about correction. There are not enough stations in Russia.

[Svetlana]

Professor, are you a specialist in navigation? Then tell me, in how many points of the globe is it necessary to locate correction stations for the highest possible accuracy of its operation? And how many are planned? And why don't we have chip makers? Where are our Kulibins?

[Professor]

Not a specialist, advanced user. Today, GPS accuracy is such that it can be used in the construction of roads, bridges, etc. Only with correction stations in the United States is the accuracy sufficient for military use.

PS
Maximum accuracy has already been achieved and this is due to the long radio wave, interference, reflection, etc.

[aleks 62]

.... Due to the backwardness in the satellite navigation sector (I think temporarily), the emphasis in Russia was placed on other high-precision navigation systems for the aircraft, namely inertial, video systems .... The accuracy of hitting a target is not worse than with zhps guidance. ..The latest launches of "Iskander and KR have confirmed this .... But if the partners do not have a zhps, they will be full .... ah ....

[morpogr]

Our answer is Chamberlain. Glonass to the masses.

[ksv500]

Fair! The Americans thought that they would play with one goal. They can’t understand in any way that we are polite people, but polite people have a limit of patience. And we have many not costly, but effective measures of influence: these are the ISS, the transit of NATO through Ulyanovsk, and our energy resources for rubles!

[mig31]

His shirt is closer to the body, and espionage is not of that magnitude, it's time and honor to know the amers ...

[jovanni]

It would be necessary to look at the rest of their stations somehow. With the local population to conduct outreach work, who drones with missiles are pointing at them. And then poked around the world.

[Altona]

And in general, it's time for the Americans to remember about the sundial and all sorts of Archimedean devices ...

[clidon]

What does the Americans have to do with it. Problems will be with Russian GPS users.

[Baikal]

How times are changing. And, it should be noted, only for the better!
A few years ago it was impossible to find a single comment somewhere in support of Glonass. Everyone was thinking about what kind of useless guano it was and the total drank money.
Come on right, comrades!

[Consul-t]

At first everyone shouted, why do we need Glonas? Yes, we can’t do anything good, but we have Chubais and the company all stolen.
Now the tone of the comments has changed.
In connection with the imposition of sanctions, everyone understood that it was still necessary to develop their own system independent of the amers. And not only in positioning, but also in other areas: finance, production, science, etc.

[INVESTOR]

About engines it is interesting how they will now be twisted out or will report what and why will fly on our engines? On the other hand, they have probably already copied the entire technology, the very cunning Pi N D o Sy ..

[Beccer]

The Chinese, too, copy everything and that ...... does not fly, does not shoot, do not ride or dive!))))

[Barakuda]

Watching how it shoots, the Chinese Kalash is three times cheaper than the Russian, reliability is completely absent. flies, the glider was copied, and the engines are purchased from Russia, there are not enough technologies and brains. Land Rover buys bridges from UAZ. States live because of the supply of fuel (nuclear) from Russia. The Chinese copy of the S-300 is not suitable for Russian soles. A bunch of examples ... you need to click on the clave for an hour.

[dry off]

About Landrover, please, in more detail .. What model are the bridges purchased from UAZ?

[Marine One]

Quote: secar

What model are the bridges purchased from UAZ?

No way. Legends go to forums of UAZovodov and forums of any ara tuners. It is especially funny to listen to it, knowing that all the UAZs of recent times are essentially nedocopies with SsangYongs. No wonder Sev.stal-Avto bought production lines from bankrupt Koreans at one time as a whole.

[INVESTOR]

They are not Chinese, they will be more serious, moreover, there are enough of our scientists who left for them to work there.

[Barakuda]

s-300 cannot be copied for 20 years, like Kalash. Metal is not the same, and people are not the same. The entire production chain cannot be repeated. Other standards, The same resistor, for example, according to its characteristics, but it will not work "correctly", since it was not produced in the USSR. I am already silent about waveguides and stable heterodyne.

[Yellow white]

Its shirt is closer to the body.
I am sure everything is not in vain!

[Imigrantt]

Great news!!!!!!! It's time to promote our domestic GLONASS in portable devices !!!! Yes, and in orbit to fly the Yankees handier with a powder keg !!!!!

[asar]

Yes, it’s better to pea more than boom! And an astronaut in orbit!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Well, as they say, everything that’s not being done for the better .. (It’s not for nothing that the United States banned our stations in its territory)

[Ivanzloj]

I’m actively using GPS navigation due to my profession. It will stop working, it’s not good of course, but since it’s all against our sworn friends, I’ll be ready to endure these inconveniences. I will endure a lot! Everything is done correctly. I support!

[Flinky]

Will not stop. Accuracy will decrease a little, and that’s it. The signal from the satellites is in any case, and ground stations only give corrections.

[Orc-xnumx]

GPS is primarily an aiming system, as is GLONASS. So - everything is natural!

[Zomanus]

Yes, nothing will change significantly. But aiming Amer’s missiles and reconnaissance satellites will be more difficult, yes.

[kmike]

The Russians harness for a long time, but as they do it, everyone will feel all our love for Western "democracy."

[Korablev]

And how to harness it - yes, already, either you don’t have to go, or there’s nowhere to go.

[Woland]

And we always do. At first everything is possible, then everything is impossible.

[asar]

Our answer to Chamberlain! We have both specialists and production, only hands must be put in! And with the engines the Yankes "got bogged down" in the heat, without thinking! So let them think now, well, whoo-ny!

[SBC]

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[gandalf]

In fact, GPS accuracy is determined by many factors:
1. The main source of errors are geoid model errors (3-6 m).
2. Inaccurate determination of time. Despite the accuracy of the satellite’s time standards, there is some error in the time scale of the satellite equipment. It leads to the appearance of a systematic error in determining coordinates near 0.6 m.
3. Orbit calculation errors. Appear due to inaccuracies in the prediction and calculation of satellite ephemeris performed in the receiver equipment. This error is also systematic and leads to an error in the measurement of coordinates around 0.6 m.
4. Instrumental error of the receiver. It is caused, first of all, by the presence of noise in the electronic path of the receiver. The signal-to-noise ratio of the receiver determines the accuracy of the comparison procedure received from the satellite and reference signals, i.e. pseudorange calculation error. The presence of this error leads to the appearance of a coordinate error of the order of 1.2 m.
5. Multipath signal propagation. Appears as a result of secondary reflections of the satellite signal from large obstacles located in the immediate vicinity of the receiver. In this case, the phenomenon of interference occurs, and the measured distance is greater than the real one. Analytically, this error is difficult to estimate, and the best way to deal with it is the rational placement of the receiver antenna relative to obstacles. As a result of this factor, the error in determining the pseudorange can increase by 2.0 m.
6. Ionospheric signal delays. The ionosphere is an ionized atmospheric layer in the altitude range 50 - 500 km, which contains free electrons. The presence of these electrons causes a delay in the propagation of the satellite signal, which is directly proportional to the electron concentration and inversely proportional to the square of the frequency of the radio signal. To compensate for the resulting error in determining the pseudorange, the method of two-frequency measurements at the frequencies L1 and L2 (in dual-frequency receivers) is used. Linear combinations of two-frequency measurements do not contain first-order ionospheric errors. In addition, to partially compensate for this error, a correction model can be used that is analytically calculated using the information contained in the navigation message. In this case, the value of the residual unmodeled ionospheric delay can cause an error in determining the pseudorange near 10 m.
For a single-frequency (L1) receiver, the accuracy of determining the coordinates is 100m; for a dual-frequency (L1, L2) receiver - 16m (this is the advertised parameter).

http://www.gps-nnov.ru/forum/55-508-1

[gandalf]

7. Tropospheric signal delays. The troposphere is the lowest layer of the atmosphere from the earth's surface (up to an altitude of 8 - 13 km). It also causes a delay in the propagation of the radio signal from the satellite. The magnitude of the delay depends on meteorological parameters (pressure, temperature, humidity), as well as on the height of the satellite above the horizon. Compensation of tropospheric delays is made by calculating the mathematical model of this atmosphere layer. The coefficients necessary for this are contained in the navigation message. Tropospheric delays cause pseudorange measurement errors in 1 meters.
8. The geometric arrangement of the satellites. When calculating the total error, it is also necessary to take into account the mutual position of the consumer and the satellites of the working constellation. For this, a special PDOP (Position Dilution Of Precision) coefficient of geometric impairment of accuracy is introduced, by which it is necessary to multiply all the errors listed above in order to obtain the resulting error. The magnitude of the PDOP coefficient depends on the relative position of the satellites and the receiver. It is inversely proportional to the volume of the figure that will be formed if single vectors are drawn from the receiver to the satellites. A large PDOP value indicates a poor satellite location and a large error value. There are options for successful and unsuccessful geometrical position of satellites. Typical average PDOP ranges from 4 to 6.

http://www.gps-nnov.ru/forum/55-508-1

If someone who points out the argument?

[Barakuda]

I have read so far, it’s better to ride with a compass and a map.

[Barakuda]

Enter Russia a bunch of sanctions, and Russia will develop by leaps and bounds, IT ALL has resources, brains .. friends in India and Brazil .. and Vovka Putin.

[Corsair0304]

Why not. Yes, GLONASS is now behind GPS in terms of satellite constellation, ground stations and accuracy. So now what? I drive a car and this vaunted GPS periodically leads me into such gps that it’s just right to call the tractor. We need to introduce our coordination and positioning system, so that, as in the case of plastic cards, it does not depend on the adversary.
And the answer to their sanctions is also normal. Let the world know that, in addition to gas and oil, we also have something to answer and pressure on.

[mamont5]

Rogozin has already become a horror story for the West. They will soon tremble at the mention of his name.

[gandalf]

We must choose him after Putin ... Then the West will quickly sit down to study Russian idiomatic expressions ...

[Roshchin]

Quote: "As far as we know, disabling GPS ground stations will only affect ultra-precise positioning that is not used for civilian purposes."
What is the purpose of such non-civilian purposes for the ultra-precise positioning of the American GPS system in the Russian Federation?

[Silkway0026]

disconnect! and push their satellites slowly to the side

[crambol]

disabling GPS ground stations will only affect ultra-precise positioning, which is not used for civilian purposes.

What is it, now I will sit on the toilet without ZhPS? And if I miss, to whom to complain?

[crambol]

disabling GPS ground stations will only affect ultra-precise positioning, which is not used for civilian purposes.

What is it, now I will sit on the toilet without ZhPS? And if I miss, to whom to complain?

[Anisim1977]

Rogozin is right - to press so big.
Yes, and GLONASS rather bring to mind.

[theadenter]

Ground stations are needed only for positioning correction. It will not affect the quality of reception by navigators from satellites.

[Giant thought]

It was high time that the mattresses were shown muzzle under their snotty nose.

[Ivan Tucha]

I’m never worried, because on the terrain into the forest, the Prus is the old-fashioned way with a compass and a regular map besides the navigator. And in the city I don’t use it.

[KOH]

Disable, and local "geologists" show the location of these stations, and say that there is a lot of copper ...

[yurik]

Americans, for security reasons, use a special error in GPS. For example, terrorists should not be able to detect important building objects using weapons on the remote control. During the first war in the Gulf in 1990, a special error was partially disabled, because US troops lacked military GPS receivers. 10 civilian GPS devices (Magellan and Trimble) were purchased, which allowed them to freely and fairly accurately navigate the desert terrain.
According to ITAR-TASS, corresponding member of the Tsiolkovsky Russian Academy of Cosmonautics (RACC) Andrei Ionin.
"The United States, as the owner of the GPS system, can create an artificial error at any time. Many similar cases have already been noted behind them, for example, during the events in Yugoslavia, Libya, Georgia, although this was never officially recognized. Now it seems that the same situation is happening and in the skies over Ukraine, "he said.
The specialist explained that this is not about blocking the signal, but about artificial interference - the introduction of an error into the system for several kilometers or hundreds of meters to the side - which is perceived as a failure. "When such a situation occurs on airplanes, it means that the signal is" noisy "and a special error has been introduced into the system. This is done at the stage of satellite control," Ionin explained.
He clarified that all operations are carried out from the GPS Control Center, which is a division of the Pentagon. "We must not forget that GPS is a military system, it was created with the money of the US Department of Defense and is also controlled by it. The fact that its signal is freely and free of charge available to civilian consumers was the decision of the US President," Ionin recalled.

[lord]

finally, it came to our minds that I would not live to turn off this system; why do we need the purpose of indicating our objects so that the tamahawks fit exactly in the target, but the sailors refused to install the glonas system on the pile of territory

[Mainbeam]

Rogozin is a comedian in the style of Zhirik. But under his antics you can promote reasonable, but not political, incorrect topics. This is one of them. I support. But not turning off GPS, but promoting Glonass. For a long time it was necessary to press the knee adequately.

[gandalf]

5-th column is strong. If now the Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov declares that there is no need to clean the station.

“I myself read about it and, frankly, was a little surprised at such statements. This can be done technically, but why do it? ”RIA Novosti quoted Manturov as saying.

Rogozin tweeted him:

The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade was "a little surprised" at the statements about the closure of GPS stations in the Russian Federation. Just a friend a little bit off topic.

The struggle there is also going on seriously, even if the minister is not on the topic of such decisions.

[Mainbeam]

ria.ru/world/20140513/1007661372.html#ixzz31hEwzD8B

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Tuesday that Russia could stop supplying rocket engines to the United States and would not extend the operation of the ISS after 2020.

The US State Department expects that Russia will continue to cooperate with the Americans in space, in particular, under the program of the International Space Station (ISS), said State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki.

NASA previously suspended cooperation with Russia due to Washington’s disagreement with Moscow’s position in Ukraine, but made an exception for those projects in which the Americans themselves are interested.

Rogozin, of course, handsome. Something will blur, and the State Department will have to answer in full.

[kelevra]

With all arms and legs for!

[grandfather_Kostya]

There are scientific projects. where ground-based GPS sensors track very slow, very small movements to predict earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tectonic shifts of the earth's crust, etc. That's where the actual positioning accuracy of 1 cm or so is really needed. Science may suffer from the shutdown of ground stations, the rest are not.

[podpolkovnik]

Continuing the theme:
Rogozin: We are very worried about continuing to develop high-tech projects with such an unreliable partner as the United States.
Dmitry Rogozin called the United States an unreliable partner. “We are very alarmed to continue developing serious high-tech projects with such an unreliable partner as the United States, which politicizes everything and everyone, and is ready to risk prospects that affect the interests of all mankind, and not just the United States,” said Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.
Therefore, according to him, the Russian government instructed the Federal Space Agency to intensify work with partners in the Asia-Pacific region. According to Rogozin, the Russian Federation will look for interesting projects with them for the development of near and far space.
The Deputy Prime Minister recalled that the Russian side has repeatedly warned American colleagues that sanctions are a boomerang.
At the same time, Rogozin noted that Russia is not going to impose sanctions.

[pavel_SPB]

and here is the Russian sanctions of the first level :))) and there is also a level 2 .... so they need it .... they replenished!

[Bersaglieri]

Quote: Canep

For almost all cases, the life of the warriors will have enough accuracy of 1 meter.

At + -10 meters for artillery. Anyway, it will fall into the radius of the guaranteed destruction with the existing caliber of ammunition.

[demon184]

It is not clear why in general they were allowed to place them on our territory if they are needed only for military purposes.

[Arkan]

GPS stations in Russia will turn off

In particular, Rogozin noted that Russia is not against resuming deliveries, but only on condition that the engines will not be used to launch military vehicles. “We will proceed from the fact that without guarantees that our engines are used only for launching non-military spacecraft, we cannot supply them to the United States,” the deputy prime minister said.

Enemies on the horns. It is high time to dictate to the Americans their terms of cooperation, otherwise they fell into prostration and believe that the very fact of doing business with them should cause an orgasm. Urkaina has it so stormy that in the madness of the "happiness" that has fallen on them, they are ready to ditch "Yuzhmash" and much more.

[petrT]

Yes, let it’s turned off, it simplifies the installation of GPS interference when aiming high-precision weapons. Moreover, the GPS developers said that they do not care. So let them not buzz later)))

[clidon]

Disconnecting stations is a problem for Russian users. They will buzz.