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The loss of Donbass threw Ukraine in the XIX century

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The loss of Donbass threw Ukraine in the XIX century



After the referendum in Europe and Kiev, they finally understood: the independence of Donbass is already a reality and it is impossible to change the power in Donetsk and Lugansk either to the regular army, which is now collecting pennies by sms all over Ukraine, or by Kolomoisky’s militants. Officials immediately changed the motive and began songs about the economy.

The biggest expert in the Ukrainian industry, the Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt, unexpectedly declared that the events of recent days would destroy the economy of Donbass and plunge the region into chaos.

Following the Swede, Alexander Turchinov predicts ruin to the southeast.

“Dangerous criminal actions destroy the economy of Donbass: people are left without a salary, production is stopped,” said Acting President of Ukraine, Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Oleksandr Turchinov.

Sergey Taruta, the governor on the run, frightened by the disaster and was deposed by the activists of the region: “Not a single enterprise of Donbass will be able to work within the framework of isolated territory and unrecognized by any countries,” he said. And Arseniy Yatsenyuk suddenly immediately remembered the problem of the Russian language and even proposed to prescribe it in the constitution, as if after the shootings of civilians, the matter can be solved only by this.

However, it didn’t go farther than empty words and justify why Donbass will fight in convulsions without the support of the Kiev authorities, neither the acting president nor the ex-president. the governor, or even the Swedish minister did not.

Nevertheless, no matter how arrogant it may sound, but for residents of the Southeast, things are not as bad in the economy as it might seem at first glance. And it’s not a fact that the new republic will lose from independence.

Let's imagine: there is no Donetsk People's Republic and activists of the southeast, the Ukrainian flag flies over the regional administration, and enterprises are preparing to live in the conditions of the Association Agreement with the EU, which the Yatsenyuk government is preparing for them.

This has already been written and rewritten, and it will not be a revelation to anyone that most of the products of the region went to the markets of Russia. In the case of the opening of borders with Europe, Russia would tighten the customs policy in relation to Ukrainian producers. Reducing 150 thousands of jobs in the Donetsk region is not a fantasy, it is the conclusion of the Ukrainian government. Was it not the residents of Donetsk who initially began to protest? Is it not against the closure of enterprises that did not fit into the concept of "Ukraine - the breadbasket of the EU"?

The irony of the situation is that it was Russian money and trade with Russia that prevented the final fall of Ukraine into the abyss back in 2013. And to a large extent - due to the cooperation of south-eastern enterprises with Russian ones.

Billions of the IMF would hardly ever have flown to Donetsk and Lugansk. Not the elite in Kiev today to share. And, frankly, those 17 billions that Ukraine will receive for several years, after all the events on the Maidan and the destruction of the economy, this is a drop in the ocean.

No matter how frightened the southeast is from Europe and Kiev, the “Russian regions” of Ukraine are a priori richer than the “Ukrainian” ones. Therefore, the Ukrainian nationalists who came to power would have a clear interest in disposing of Donbass. After all, if you deduct the industrial enterprises of the East, coal mines, metallurgy from the general Ukrainian economy of Ukraine, the third world country turns out, which, ironically, turned out to be in the very center of Europe. Well, or the first, but the sample of the XIX century.

Donetsk region gives almost 18 percent of all Ukrainian exports, second only to Kiev with its 22 percent. In Lugansk - 5 percent. Thus, having lost only two regions, Ukraine’s export earnings are reduced by 23 percent. Export figures of the five western regions of Ukraine are only slightly higher than those of the Luhansk region. (Lviv - 2%, Volyn - 1%, Rivne and Ivano-Frankivsk - according to 0,8%, Ternopil - 0,6%).

Ukraine's GDP for the 2013 year is approximately equal to 1,475 trillion hryvnia - and more than half of it provided the entire 4 of the eastern regions - Donetsk, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, and Lugansk.

If we analyze the standard of living, then most of all citizens below the poverty line live in the northwestern and central regions. In the Lviv region, for example, below the poverty line - 30% of the population. No wonder that it was from there that a wave of villagers first poured into Kiev. On Independence at least for free fed.

Under these conditions, it is logical that the government will continue to milk the southeast to distribute pennies among those who are poorer. In the 2013 year, only one Donetsk gave 1,7 billion hryvnia, receiving only 362 million hryvnia back. Of course, part of this money is returned to the donor area to finance infrastructure and industrial facilities, but a large part of this amount goes to support subsidized western regions.

Now in the Transcarpathian, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv regions almost 78 thousands of enterprises are operating. However, svidomye regions annually export less than Estonia ($ 15 billion) and Belarus ($ 46 billion). Therefore, for Europe, the west of Ukraine is something like an overgrown Moldavia.

According to the competitiveness rating of the regions of Ukraine 2013, prepared by the Foundation for Effective Governance with the support of the World Economic Forum (WEF), the top five are as follows: Kiev, Kharkiv, Odessa, Donetsk and Dnipropetrovsk regions. Donetsk wins primarily because of the high concentration of large enterprises. According to the effectiveness of corporate governance, the region’s rating is higher than in Switzerland, Canada and the USA, and corresponds to the 11 position in the 148 rating of the countries of the world, the report says.

“In terms of business development, the average rating of Ukraine’s regions is lower than the world average. At the same time, it is higher than the average indicators of the CIS and CEE countries. The growth of regional positions in this component is constrained by the insufficiently wide value chain and the low level of development of production processes. ”

“The undisputed leader in terms of business development in Ukraine for the second year in a row is the Donetsk region, demonstrating good results by world standards. It is at the level of 53-th place in the world, which corresponds to the results of Estonia, Chile and Mexico, ”the report says.

The DPR, through the mouth of its prime minister, Denis Pushilina, has already announced that it is no longer paying taxes to Kiev. "I think that we should have done it before. The fact that we actually paid tribute to the murderers is beyond logic and common sense," he said. And it is possible that the justice of these words will be understood in the Odessa and Kharkov regions, and in Dnepropetrovsk.

By the way, if you forget about politics and speak in the language of finance, then the IMF sadly proclaimed: with the loss of the southeast, Ukraine will have to increase its assistance.

“Ukraine and the program of its authorities faced unprecedented risks. If the central government loses effective control over the east, the economic assistance program for Ukraine will need further processing, ”says Agence France-Presse official IMF statement.

So another big question is who will be bored more - Kiev and Lviv in the Donbas, or the Donbass in Kiev and Lvov.
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  1. Zeus
    Zeus 14 May 2014 15: 54
    +29
    Without close economic cooperation in the CU or the EEC, or the accession of the DPR, LPR to Russia, their economy is not viable.
    1. svp67
      svp67 14 May 2014 15: 56
      +51
      Quote: Zeus
      Without close economic cooperation in the CU or the EEC, or the accession of the DPR, LPR to Russia, their economy is not viable.
      Yes, work is now "for several generations", the main thing is that new Gaidars do not appear ...
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 14 May 2014 16: 37
        +29
        Quote: "The loss of Donbass threw Ukraine back into the XNUMXth century"
        ================================================== ============
        That's right. Poland needs farm laborers. No one will go to work from a developed country ..
        1. yushch
          yushch 15 May 2014 15: 00
          +1
          No, it’s just that all Poles are laborers by plumbers and prostitutes in Naglia and the EU, therefore the same vacancies are open at the logs and they sleep and see Ukrainians in these places.
      2. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 14 May 2014 19: 18
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        Yes, work is now "for several generations", the main thing is that new Gaidars do not appear.

        But the work is interesting, for the benefit of our children; otherwise, what are we living for?
        1. Fanat1984
          Fanat1984 16 May 2014 19: 09
          0
          And also, I remember, in 1991 Kravchuk yelled that they could * die * without Ukrainian grain to die of hunger !!! laughing Now let them try not to freeze without new Russian coal !!! laughing fool
      3. Ross
        Ross 14 May 2014 19: 44
        +9
        Donetsk will cope with Lugansk. If the whole Southeast unites into New Russia, a powerful state will be obtained in alliance with Russia.
      4. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 14 May 2014 19: 58
        +9
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Zeus
        Without close economic cooperation in the CU or the EEC, or the accession of the DPR, LPR to Russia, their economy is not viable.
        Yes, work is now "for several generations", the main thing is that new Gaidars do not appear ...

        They are now a host in the government! Above Putin - like angels hovering. And all these "gaidars" threat to the future of Russia is no less than pind..siya and others like her - put together!
        1. yur
          yur 14 May 2014 20: 30
          +5
          Quote: 1812 1945
          They are now a host of government! Over Putin-like angels curl.
          Why would liberals become angels? They are ravens. angry
      5. kocclissi
        kocclissi 15 May 2014 00: 16
        +1
        The IMF demanded to privatize the mines, so they were privatized ...... in bulk!
    2. Kievan
      Kievan 14 May 2014 16: 14
      .
      And the facts are simple:
      1. Russia grossly amended the norms of international law, using military force, annexed part of the territory of the sovereign state of Ukraine.
      2. Russia has done this treacherously violating international obligations to respect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine, which it gave when it viciously deceived Ukraine’s nuclear weapons. The moronic excuses that supposedly in Ukraine had changed the government will make the whole international community laugh. Obligations are given to the country, not the government, and are given on an ongoing basis, and not for a couple of years.
      3. All attempts by Russia to justify its actions - UNLAWFUL, INDEPENDENTLY OF THEIR CONTENT - NOBODY GIVEN RIGHTS EVEN SIMPLY TO INTERFERE IN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF UKRAINE, NOT SPEAKING ON MILITARY AGGRESSION AND SEIZE ITS TERRITORY. THIS IS THE BIGGEST VIOLATION OF ALL INTERNATIONAL LAWS, A FACT OF MILITARY AGGRESSION - BY THE INTERNATIONAL LAWS OF CRIME, NOT HAVING A LINE OF PRESENTATION.
      4. IN addition, ALL ARGUMENTATION BY RUSSIA OF MILITARY AGGRESSION IS NAGLOUS, VIN, CINEMAL LIES:
      4.1. There were no oppressions of Russian speakers in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, not a single Russian was injured, no one forbids them to speak Russian, 500 RUSSIAN SCHOOLS AND ONLY 5 UKRAINIANS (which, by the way, they are trying to close now) are open for the whole Crimea. And on the contrary, there is full of facts of frenzied oppression in Crimea of ​​all non-Russian. Russia has long been financing the development of pro-Russian neo-Nazi organizations in Crimea, cultivating hatred of everything Ukrainian - the capture of Crimea was planned long and carefully (the “older” brother Cain had long been holding up a knife in his sleeve, rather than using it spontaneously).
      4.2. An attempt to justify their criminal actions allegedly by the fact that fascists came to power in Ukraine, some junta felts, is false and baseless for two reasons:
      a) In Ukraine, the main body of power belongs to the parliament, as provided for by the Constitution. And this parliament is legitimate and legally elected back in 2012. Nothing has changed here. The only change is that after the shooting of more than a hundred unarmed demonstrators, Yanukovych washed off, although no one drove him, he could stay and try to fix what he had done. Naturally, the parliament appointed acting President, it is legal and there is no alternative to this, and appointed ELECTIONS. If the president died, became seriously ill, ran away, and does not fulfill his duties, then they will appoint the acting President, AND ELECTIONS WHAT IS UNDERSTANDED? WHAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE ELECTION? The junta and the usurpers of power do not call elections; their goal is the opposite - to maintain power. DO YOU WANT ANOTHER POWER - JUST VOTE FOR TIGIPKA, DOBKIN, TSAREVA, why use violence and shed blood.
      b) Russia does not have the right to interfere in the internal affairs of a sovereign state because it does not like who came to power. Even if the "fascists", but - there are no Fascists in Ukraine. Even the "Right Sector" and "Svoboda", which have ONLY 3% of the support of the population and DO NOT HAVE REAL POWER, are campaigning for a FRIENDLY attitude towards national minorities that do not harm Ukraine (GO TO THEIR OFFICIAL WEBSITES AND DO NOT READ FALSE FORGES) All other parties, incl. having a majority in parliament, generally do not care who wanted what nationality. Key positions in the government are held by proteges of Yulia Tymoshenko's Batkivshchyna party. Why did they suddenly become "fascists"? UNDER THE POWER IN GENERAL, THE MAJORITY IS NON-UKRAINIANS.
      IN RUSSIA EVERY YEAR NEONAZIS KILL ABOUT 20 "FOREIGNERS", and in Ukraine the last time ONE person was killed 5 YEARS AGO, and that was because of a quarrel on ethnic grounds and not just because he was not Ukrainian.
      1. Zeus
        Zeus 14 May 2014 16: 20
        +10
        You confused the censor. Evidence is loved here, but you don’t have it.
        1. Cetegg
          Cetegg 14 May 2014 16: 26
          +53
          Here are his "arguments"!))) The fat was dropped!)))
          1. Horst78
            Horst78 14 May 2014 20: 24
            +1
            Quote: Cetegg
            Here are his "arguments"!))) The fat was dropped!)))

            Eeee, at the expense of "Salo dropped" please. SIBERIAN KH.O.KH.L.Y. They will not appreciate it. hi
            1. Alexey N
              15 May 2014 00: 57
              +6
              "SIBERIAN KH.O.KH.L.Y." exists? Strange, did not notice.
              In Siberia, there are descendants of immigrants from the Outskirts (New Russia, Little Russia, etc.) -100% Russians and grandchildren / great-grandchildren of immigrants from the Galitchina. Both those and others do not distinguish themselves from the Russian population.
              Do not give Siberia to anyone wink
              1. Horst78
                Horst78 16 May 2014 08: 26
                -1
                Exist. Only from 9 have I got 2 electricians from Ukraine. And in general, guys from Ukraine mastered Siberia, my father in particular.
              2. M. Peter
                M. Peter 17 May 2014 15: 52
                +1
                Quote: Alexey N
                "SIBERIAN KH.O.KH.L.Y." exists?

                Have been up to this point.
                I myself have quite a few roots with Malaya Rusi, but after the events in Odessa, I will never say that I am Ukrainian, Russian, and that’s it.
            2. WKS
              WKS 16 May 2014 12: 14
              +2
              Quote: Horst78
              Eeee, at the expense of "Salo dropped" please. SIBERIAN KH.O.KH.L.Y. They will not appreciate it.

              There are no Siberian Ukrainians. There are Siberians. All of us now living on the Russian plain are rooted in the territory of present-day Ukraine. And here once only Basurmans lived here.
          2. Lelek
            Lelek 15 May 2014 07: 54
            +1
            And still make you jump. You’re bad at jumping - an agent of the Kremlin. fool
        2. svp67
          svp67 14 May 2014 16: 55
          +4
          Quote: Zeus
          You confused the censor. Evidence is loved here, but you don’t have it.

          Yes, he not only "tribune", but also beguiled the flag ... Apparently another "daughter of a naval officer"
      2. Good cat
        Good cat 14 May 2014 16: 25
        +22
        Odessa, Kiev herself burned herself ?????
      3. Rostislav
        Rostislav 14 May 2014 16: 33
        +32
        Quote: Kievite
        There are no Fascists in Ukraine. Even the "Right Sector" and "Svoboda", which have ONLY 3% of the support of the population and DO NOT HAVE REAL POWER, campaign for a FRIENDLY attitude towards national minorities,

        God forbid me from such "friendly" agitation - a bottle of Molotov cocktail in the head!
      4. VPO
        VPO 14 May 2014 16: 35
        +23
        Dill was smoked. Everything is there now. Heroam Sala! Sala to Ukraine!
        1. kocclissi
          kocclissi 14 May 2014 20: 55
          +2
          Quote: malware
          Dill was smoked. Everything is there now. Heroam Sala! Sala to Ukraine!

          Not all, I do not watch TV ..........
      5. Rusin Dima
        Rusin Dima 14 May 2014 16: 42
        +1
        Empty words and emotions, not a single fact, not a single
    3. Kievan
      Kievan 14 May 2014 16: 15
      .
      What is the difference between the actions of citizens on the Maidan and the separatists:
      1. On the Maidan, citizens appeared under the flag of their country and for its interests. Separatists of the South-East appear under the flag of an ALIEN country and for the sake of its interests. A small difference, but such a significant one.
      2. First, on the Independence Square, they fought for the punishment of peaceful demonstrators and journalists guilty of criminal beating on November 30.11.2013, XNUMX, and after ignoring them, for the election of a new president by the people, who will represent the interests of the whole people, all regions of Ukraine, instead of a thief, usurper of power and a murderer. And the separatists are trying to disrupt the elections with the aim of the collapse of Ukraine and the further annexation of its territories by Russia (if you want federalization - just vote for Tsarev, Efremov or Tigipka, which is simpler, here they are elections, BUT IT DOESN'T NEED FEDERALIZATION, AND OCCUPATION OF UKRAINE).
      3. The weapon of the Maidan was true, reporters were welcomed. WEAPONS OF SEPARATISTS - LIES about the mythical Bendera and fascists who allegedly made the coup and rule Ukraine, massively beat journalists, destroy the cameras. If their cause is “right” - why are they afraid of publicity?
      4. On the Maidan, they protested, and with wooden shields, representatives of ALL regions of Ukraine perished under bullets. Maidans spontaneously organized in ALL REGIONS of Ukraine, in total, millions of people went out into the street, despite the fact that their cars were burned, they were abducted, tortured and killed (the whole nation rebelled). Putin’s saboteurs were able to organize only a few thousand separatists, and only in the Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov regions, despite the fact that if they do not use violence, no one would touch them.
      5. Maidan for a long time protested exclusively peacefully and unarmed, avoiding violence. Only when they started beating them and they started shooting rubber bullets did Molotov cocktails go into action. The separatists initially come up with weapons, trying to provoke bloodshed to create a pretext for the further occupation of our homeland. Maydanov’s activists were abducted and killed both on the Maidan and during the separatist rallies in eastern Ukraine. Separatists in Kiev abducted, tortured and killed patriots, and continue to torture and kill in the eastern regions.
      To summarize - the Maydanites are patriots of Ukraine, the separatists are accomplices of the Fascist invaders who hate Ukraine.
      1. MG42
        MG42 14 May 2014 16: 20
        +35
        These trolling vysery are pre-prepared with an interval of 1 minute to not shake such a sheet in any way.
      2. sscha
        sscha 14 May 2014 16: 22
        +8
        Vali, work out your fee with am yourself in the pope!
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      4. Good cat
        Good cat 14 May 2014 16: 27
        +10
        From a sick head to a healthy one did not go, you zadolbali stupid zapadentsy
      5. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 14 May 2014 16: 27
        +27
        Do you really want to brainwash us with this nonsense? ku ku, on this resource visitors are not Americans with chicken brains, but residents of the USSR
      6. Alez
        Alez 14 May 2014 16: 36
        +14
        I will say fame. Who are you Kiev-Pravosek? Zombie Dill! Or the daughter of a Ukrainian officer? Let's goodbye!!! Keep burning in the tire cemetery !!!
      7. V1451145
        V1451145 14 May 2014 16: 40
        +4
        Well b..ran are you negative
      8. Rusin Dima
        Rusin Dima 14 May 2014 16: 43
        +12
        By the number of flags of the EU and America, Maidan viciously takes 1st place
      9. saigon
        saigon 14 May 2014 16: 44
        +21
        Here is to think with your head at least to try to do it. They overthrew the president — he wasn’t so good when he took off his hats — just for him. Guys, but the eternal Maidan is cool. faithful patriots do not ruin their country do not choose downs to rulers do not burn their citizens in Odessa. Patriots do not bring the country's army to grips, do not put police officers who executed the order on their knees. That is, they do not spit in their faces. Well, and how with patriotism in cute Maydaunians and with a brain like ah? There is nothing more expensive than human stupidity, can you understand this when the heroes of the Maidan .PS the brain does not mean the mind and the mind does not mean the ability to to use.
        1. Sedoy89
          Sedoy89 16 May 2014 18: 21
          +1
          Respect! I completely agree.
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        1. APASUS
          APASUS 14 May 2014 20: 12
          +5
          Quote: saigon
          ? There is nothing more expensive than human stupidity, maybe you will understand this when the heroes of the Maidan .PS the brain does not mean the mind and the mind does not mean the ability to use it.

          Gogol very wittily noticed the dream of the Ukrainian people. I think so because the Ukrainian himself
          1. joum
            joum 15 May 2014 04: 25
            0
            What once again proves that Little Russians are the same Russians)) And what about our self-assembled tablecloth, boots, walkers, Emelyn stove and other pleasant things?
      11. avt
        avt 14 May 2014 16: 48
        +36
        Quote: Kievite
        1. On the Maidan, citizens appeared under the flag of their country and for its interests.

        Dear Velikoukr, now, after cultivating a vegetable garden in the center of Kiev and dreams of Ukraine tse Europa, dill, you got the yellow-blue flag from the Austro-Hungarian Empire, from Lower Austria with the center in the city of St. Pölten, which is 60 kilometers west of Vienna. So you banderogs, miles sorry - velikoukry, as a true offspring of the "gloomy German genius" you run with him, while all the time you ask everyone - "Still? Ukraine has not died?" A friend died, could have lived since 1991, but died, one posthumous glamor remained, now the Kiev chief executives, under the guidance of overseas owners, will put it in a coffin and nail the lid tightly with nails. So pray to God that Russia once again, as it has been for centuries, will take you out of the Euroanus, into which you climb so voluptuously with your bare backward.
        1. sssr
          sssr 16 May 2014 23: 25
          0
          Beautifully said!
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      12. mihasik
        mihasik 14 May 2014 16: 58
        +32
        Kievites: You can’t agitate us here!) In Russia, Russian television has not been turned off)). So leave the blizzard for Svidomo. How did the maidan begin? With salaries of a thousand euros? Ukraine without oligarchs? Independent and flourishing Ukraine in the EU? So where is it all !!!? Again, Russia and now the South-East are to blame for preventing you from living !? And ..., I forgot about Crimea, and he is also to blame. And the corpses in Odessa and Mariupol, too, prevent the development of a democratic and tolerant Nenko! You know the image from them is not good.
        You’re not Ukrainian patriots, but Galicia’s maximum (in your beloved USA, they’re unlikely to find it even on the map if they have Donetsk in Pakistan). But you are HEROES! The heroes of your madhouse, where you yourself brainwash yourself and erase your own memory. What happens outside the borders of your madhouse is perceived by you as incomprehensible, not attainable for your consciousness and therefore aggressive and hostile towards you. Friends to you, those who at the moment are stroking you on an empty skull and giving you a sweet pill. I wish you happiness in your ignorance.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 15 May 2014 08: 06
          +2
          In addition. When your Kiev bosses will THROW you and fled to the Austrian Alps or Monaco, do not whine that you are so gullible, but they are such vile byaki. Taras said: "I gave birth to you, I to you and ... that." You have begotten yourself, but someone else will kill you. bully
    4. mamont5
      mamont5 14 May 2014 16: 23
      +11
      Quote: Zeus
      Without close economic cooperation in the CU or the EEC, or the accession of the DPR, LPR to Russia, their economy is not viable.


      No one says it will be easy. But at least not harder than in the rest of Ukraine. Over time, everything will work out. The main thing now is to expand the territory to the entire Southeast, and shut up the mouth of the Kiev junta, if by that time it still exists.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 16 May 2014 22: 08
        +1
        Yes, to wet Kodla, which has settled in Kiev, and the whole conversation! Otherwise there will be no sense.
    5. Skipper2050
      Skipper2050 14 May 2014 17: 31
      +12
      Without any help from Russia (no matter in what form) in a year, after a maximum of 2, the whole economy will die out there. Again I read one economic expert, equipment at the enterprises of the East is already so outdated that it will be difficult for him to compete even within Russia. Prices in Russia are higher, salaries are higher, the level of production capacities is also higher, so the Southeast now has two ways:
      - To become part of Russia and be a subsidized region for a while that will affect our budget and people;
      - either be independent, enter the TS, correct the bias in the standard of living. I think Russia will help with various benefits and low loans.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 15 May 2014 08: 09
        +1
        The main thing is not to relax. Works above the roof. fellow
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 16 May 2014 22: 13
        +1
        Personally, I am a supporter of the entry of the Southeast into Russia. I am ready to give up part of the income for the benefit of the development of new lands. After all, the South-East is Russian territory!
      3. _Forgiven_
        _Forgiven_ 17 May 2014 15: 44
        0
        Let Donbass be a subsidized region for some time, but it will pay off with a bit. Crimea is also a subsidized region, and I doubt that it will pay off. However, Crimea and Sevastopol is the most important strategic object that could not be taken away. Maydaun friends did not even suspect that they would be left without native Russian soil so soon. I hope our guys from the DPR will take Ya. Ts into a fist and begin to work and squeeze enterprises from the Akhmet-like and nationalize them.
    6. Don
      Don 14 May 2014 18: 30
      +6
      Quote: Zeus
      Without close economic cooperation in the CU or the EEC, or the accession of the DPR, LPR to Russia, their economy is not viable.

      So for the sake of this, they held a referendum. The main economic and export partners are the CIS countries and Asia.
    7. Anisim1977
      Anisim1977 14 May 2014 21: 57
      +1
      I don’t see any problems for trade between the Donetsk and Lugansk republics with Russia. So a little thing - they should remove the border or change their border guards. They will sell for rubles and buy whatever they want in Russia.
    8. Iskander Khan
      Iskander Khan 16 May 2014 13: 58
      0
      Who argues. The debate is conducted at the level of: entry of the DNI and LC as the rights of individual entities or entry into the composition of such an entity as Russia.
    9. Mitek
      Mitek 17 May 2014 14: 33
      0
      Quote: Zeus
      Without close economic cooperation in the CU or the EEC, or the accession of the DPR, LPR to Russia, their economy is not viable.

      I think that GDP has more global plans. Either in Ukraine, which has preserved its territorial integrity, "our" people are driving, or Odessa, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev and other cities will join Donbass and Lugansk.
  2. mig31
    mig31 14 May 2014 15: 56
    +16
    Late, you bastards ... there is no forgiveness, the junta will have to keep a popular answer ...
    1. Cetegg
      Cetegg 14 May 2014 16: 16
      +19
      Of course, jumping and shouting for the money of the State Department is easier than working!) "Svidomo Ukrainians are people of the first grade, but subhumans in the east are obliged to hump on us!" - no, it will not come out on someone else's hump to enter paradise! It was necessary not to maidan and to rip off the sowing campaign. The NATO rations have already ended, and alas, there will not be enough radishes and dill from Khreshchatik for the entire western outskirts!) And since "We will never be brothers!" then we will no longer feed you for 11 billion a year and you have to pay for gas in advance!) Well, "not stale", now the mutilated "Holodomor" will start for so long!) PS It is better to ask NATO for dry rations before their expiration date has not expired, otherwise "Oh, those that you sent Last week, We ate a long time ago And we are waiting, we can’t wait, When will you again"!)))
      1. Alez
        Alez 14 May 2014 16: 40
        +8
        Dill was not eaten, but sold through online stores.
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 16 May 2014 22: 23
        +2
        But Ukrainians had a chance to achieve prosperity. If immediately after the declaration of independence began to work. But Kravchuk launched the most privatization in the entire post-Soviet space. It even came to the loss of strategic bombers carrying cruisers and nuclear weapons - even Russia, led by the drunkard, milked Ukraine. Meanwhile, we had enormous problems then. . But nevertheless, contrary to Yeltsin’s marasmic course, Russia nevertheless again became a respected and worthy country. But Ukraine remained in the nineties ...
  3. Giant thought
    Giant thought 14 May 2014 15: 57
    +21
    Everything will be normal in New Russia, if only the Turchinovs and their masters would not interfere. Moreover, it was officially announced there that the ruble on their territory has the same circulation as the hryvnia, as two languages ​​- Ukrainian and Russian. Russia, of course, should help, and help hard, so that no one could derail young states.
    1. Ased
      Ased 14 May 2014 16: 09
      +9
      Quote: Thought Giant
      if only the Turchinovs and their owners would not interfere with their lives.


      They will interfere so much that OH! I'm afraid that the war is only flaring up. They are afraid of federalization and independence.
      They are castrated for the loss of the east! Maybe not right away, but be sure!
      1. povojdtrf
        povojdtrf 14 May 2014 16: 50
        +3
        WELL, THIS PASTOR BOTH THE EGGS Slowly Pull ...
        1. ty60
          ty60 14 May 2014 18: 16
          +2
          it’s more efficient to rotate counterclockwise while gradually increasing the pressure.
          1. Ased
            Ased 14 May 2014 19: 16
            +1
            povojdtrf, ty60
            What kind and humane people you are! :)))
          2. Basarev
            Basarev 16 May 2014 22: 26
            0
            You can still shoot a fraction of the foot. Extremely, you know, an enlightening effect will bestow.
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 15 May 2014 08: 11
          +1
          Only between the door and the jamb and with an amplitude of 70 pinches per minute.
    2. delfinN
      delfinN 14 May 2014 18: 58
      -3
      Tsarev anneals
      1. psiho117
        psiho117 14 May 2014 19: 38
        +1
        OMG *) I’d better read a piece of paper
      2. Horst78
        Horst78 14 May 2014 20: 34
        0
        Fig se belay What was that?
        1. Berkut-UA
          Berkut-UA 14 May 2014 22: 26
          0
          in my opinion - he's drunk ... but so get drunk ...?
      3. Lelek
        Lelek 15 May 2014 08: 15
        +1
        Mentioned a son. It happens. Concussion and all that.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 16 May 2014 22: 27
          0
          We did not expect such a turn of events!
  4. ksv500
    ksv500 14 May 2014 15: 59
    +13
    Donbass is the largest industrial region in Europe. It is another matter that it did not develop with independence. Nevertheless, its industrial potential was quite enough for Ukraine to live, the oligarchs were stealing, everyone was happy. Now "onizhedeti" themselves cut down the branch on which they were sitting. The collapse of the Ukrainian economy after the coup was predictable. It is now clear that it is inevitable. No IMF will help, as they say, "There will be no Keene." And Donbass will just survive, and, God willing, everything will be fine there!
    1. Kievan
      Kievan 14 May 2014 16: 14
      .
      Where did you see the junta. In Ukraine, the main body of power belongs to the parliament, as provided for by the Constitution. This parliament is legitimate and legally elected back in 2012.
      What has changed in Ukraine:
      a) After the execution of hundreds of unarmed demonstrators in parliament, almost all turned away from Yanukovych. Many members left the party of regions, as a result a new majority was formed, and the regionals were in opposition. FORMING A NEW MOST IN THE PARLIAMENT - A NATURAL AND LEGAL PROCESS IN ANY DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY.
      b) Yanukovych washed off, although no one persecuted him, he could stay and try to correct what he had done. Naturally, the parliament appointed President and appointed ELECTION. This is legal and there is no other way. If the president died, became seriously ill, ran away, and does not fulfill his duties, then they will appoint the acting president, AND ELECTIONS. WHAT'S NOT CLEAR? WHAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE ELECTION? THE JUNT AND THE OWNERS OF AUTHORITIES DO NOT APPOINT THE ELECTIONS, THEIR PURPOSE TO SEE AUTHORITY. DO YOU WANT ANOTHER AUTHORITY - THERE ARE THE ELECTION - JUST VOTE FOR TYPES, DOBKIN, TSAREV.
      But the truth is different - those traitors to the motherland who deceitfully shout about the junta and the mythical coup actually seek to commit an armed anti-Ukrainian coup in the interests of the enemy state - Russia, which committed a treacherous military intervention against Ukraine.
      1. Good cat
        Good cat 14 May 2014 16: 28
        +4
        In Ukraine, in Russian, and not "in" there is no power
      2. WHG
        WHG 14 May 2014 16: 51
        +3
        My head froze! We are blind and deaf! And we have one channel 1st. Tell the tales of your Yaytsenyuhu ...
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      4. stoker
        stoker 14 May 2014 16: 57
        +4
        "Kievlyanin", what are we smoking? Or did the last year's fungi fail? You alone "spun" or all of Kiev - after Odessa and Mariupol. Even your "flag" is "turned" and is knee-deep in blood.
      5. Penzyac
        Penzyac 14 May 2014 17: 27
        +10
        Quote: Kievite
        Where did you see the junta ...

        According to open information from TV to the Internet, the junta settled in Kiev. By the way, do not watch Ukrainian TV, take care of your brain ...
        After the execution of hundreds of unarmed demonstrators in parliament, almost all turned away from Yanukovych ...

        Notice, it was not the police who started shooting. And by the way, you forgot that it was the police who were the first to suffer and not from the blows with a rubber baton (it certainly hurts, but no more, I know).
        FORMING A NEW MOST IN THE PARLIAMENT - A NATURAL AND LEGAL PROCESS IN ANY DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY.

        The Maidan is an ochlocracy (power of the crowd) and has nothing to do with democracy.
        We saw real democracy not in Kiev, but in referenda in Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk, it became even a little enviable.
        Yanukovych washed off, although no one drove him, he could stay ...

        Nobody drove? Do not tell us tales. Of course, he could stay - for his own funeral. He is of course a thief and a coward, but unlike your maydanut’s, he’s not a killer or a traitor to the Motherland, like a paid CIA agent Nalyvaychenko.
        But the truth is different ... a coup in the interests of an enemy state ...

        How do you personally know the truth?
        We can only talk about the fact that in Kiev there really was an armed coup d'etat with the help of bandits from ultra-right groups from the Maidan and at the expense of and with the direct support of a foreign state, not just Russia, but the United States.
        Remember, the United States has never and never donated to anyone and will not help, they are absolutely always driven by geopolitical and economic interests, and nothing more. Having such assistants is not necessary.
        1. Horst78
          Horst78 14 May 2014 20: 38
          +2
          Uh, again I missed something at work here. recourse Well, this "Kievlyanin" here kicked? what
    2. Ivan 63
      Ivan 63 14 May 2014 21: 26
      0
      I agree, but the keywords of the article: "paying tribute to murderers is beyond logic and common sense"
    3. Ivan 63
      Ivan 63 14 May 2014 21: 26
      0
      I agree, but the keywords of the article: "paying tribute to murderers is beyond logic and common sense"
  5. Stiletto
    Stiletto 14 May 2014 16: 00
    +14
    It seems to me that by the next summer all of these turchin, avakov, raisins and other brown foam in Ukraine will not be. And nobody, which is characteristic, will not miss.
    1. povojdtrf
      povojdtrf 14 May 2014 16: 51
      +1
      God grant and Allah give
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 14 May 2014 19: 25
        +1
        Quote: povojdtrf
        God grant and Allah give

        Do not ask twice from one entity.
    2. Hariva
      Hariva 14 May 2014 17: 05
      +1
      What an optimistic (for the junta) forecast you give. Whole year! In my opinion, these pretzels have already completed their mission. Right now, here is another deal with the remnants of oil and permanent residence in New Zealand.
      1. andj61
        andj61 14 May 2014 17: 19
        +3
        It seems to me that they can hold out until the fall, but the winter will be shaky for Ukraine. And the oligarchs are pulled off the day before the crash.
        It is necessary to help the new republics!
    3. Shaman
      Shaman 14 May 2014 17: 15
      +2
      Turchinov and company - waste material, shot down pilots. They will not be much earlier. The patrons themselves will be removed quietly.
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    5. not main
      not main 14 May 2014 23: 32
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      It seems to me that by the next summer all of these turchin, avakov, raisins and other brown foam in Ukraine will not be. And nobody, which is characteristic, will not miss.

      You're wrong! They will not be on May 26! Because they fulfilled their task, the dough for a quiet old age was asked from the IMF, the owners will cover! Just do not take into account one argument-ICE!
  6. sso-xnumx
    sso-xnumx 14 May 2014 16: 02
    +11
    Brothers need help! At least with something, at least how! But you have to!!!
  7. MG42
    MG42 14 May 2014 16: 04
    +31
    Here's what to do about it ?? A split is inevitable.
    1. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey 14 May 2014 16: 17
      +21
      Freaks are not disfigured by intellect and imbeciles, which are very delayed in their development, are very convenient cannon fodder.
    2. R-118bm3
      R-118bm3 14 May 2014 16: 25
      +11
      So download it all your life!
      1. Combitor
        Combitor 15 May 2014 00: 04
        +6
        Quote: R-118bm3
        So download it all your life!
    3. Mhpv
      Mhpv 14 May 2014 16: 41
      +15
      Almost like in this video:
      1. avt
        avt 14 May 2014 16: 55
        +10
        Quote: mhpv
        Almost like in this video:

        Quote: tigers4
        Is this an army ?! A herd of banderlog-rams.

        These are documentary shots of the first national guard of Ukraine, who solemnly received weapons from the hands of the Kiev rulers. Like Yaytsenyukh handed machine. laughing
      2. MG42
        MG42 14 May 2014 17: 24
        +17
        Quote: mhpv
        Almost like in this video

        Here, too, the topic is disclosed >>>
        1. kush62
          kush62 14 May 2014 19: 03
          +5
          Thanks for the video, I laughed plenty!
        2. Des10
          Des10 14 May 2014 20: 50
          +3
          Thank you, the last frames - with fans on their asses - are the most European! laughing
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        4. Lelek
          Lelek 15 May 2014 08: 21
          +4
          Dance of the ancient ukrov. True, the chant "fat to ukraine" had not yet been invented. Well - they develop, they progress - they will mature in 20 years. bully
        5. Fanat1984
          Fanat1984 16 May 2014 19: 18
          +1
          Mnnda, not far gone ... lol
      3. Sanmak
        Sanmak 14 May 2014 17: 30
        +1
        But doesn’t it instruct Banderlog ???
    4. tigers4
      tigers4 14 May 2014 16: 44
      +11
      Is this an army ?! A herd of banderlog-rams.
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    6. povojdtrf
      povojdtrf 14 May 2014 16: 58
      +2
      I finally get over it, ...
    7. old man
      old man 14 May 2014 16: 58
      +4
      Yes it is a problem. Here, probably, young people should be closed in camps and for 2-3 years they should be beaten with the correct history and ennobling work for the benefit of the remnants of Ukraine. Only who will do it - zapadentsy or what?
      1. MG42
        MG42 14 May 2014 17: 41
        +15
        Quote: old man
        Yes it is a problem. Here, probably, young people should be closed in camps and for 2-3 years they should be beaten with the correct history and ennobling work for the benefit of the remnants of Ukraine.

        I also thought so until the bricks flew into me in Kharkov from this youth under red-black flags. It’s easier to live in different apartments.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 14 May 2014 19: 28
          +3
          Quote: MG42
          this youth under red and black flags. Easier to live to different apartments.

          ... on the longitude of Magadan, the climate is healing for them.
      2. Fanat1984
        Fanat1984 16 May 2014 19: 21
        +1
        for the benefit of the remnants of Ukraine


        I am afraid that not "remnants", but "remnants" ... sad
    8. Mhpv
      Mhpv 14 May 2014 17: 08
      +10
      Bad example contagious
    9. tokin1959
      tokin1959 14 May 2014 17: 27
      +5
      probably dill historians are right.
      cave Ukrainians still existed.
      and these cave Ukrainians survived to this day, but instead of animal skins they wear ordinary clothes. and consciousness remained a caveman.
    10. Iskander Khan
      Iskander Khan 16 May 2014 14: 22
      0
      Kapets, deb ... ly. I saw a video with schoolchildren. I thought it was just baby urine. But the fighters? Such a herd level?
  8. Gagarin
    Gagarin 14 May 2014 16: 09
    +12
    They were originally "sewn" as a WEEKEND SHORTS.
    Quote: Stiletto
    It seems to me that by the next summer all of these turchin, avakov, raisins and other brown foam in Ukraine will not be. And nobody, which is characteristic, will not miss.
  9. Grbear
    Grbear 14 May 2014 16: 09
    -8
    An article from a category - jumped off a steam locomotive and figs you. Jump off, then jumped, and what next. They shouldn’t have refused P.'s offer. Time has gone inept. The referendum would have been held anyway, but now it will not be possible to play big politics. The economy is fixable, there is no time. Now the regions are "fragments", not a piece, and it is too early to "measure up with pisuns".
    1. dik-fort
      dik-fort 14 May 2014 16: 26
      +17
      A referendum was held to prove to the whole world that the vast majority of the people did not want to live in the country of Ukraine. This is a historical chance, you should not miss it. The maximum program is the liberation of New Russia and the creation of an independent state, and it may also become part of Russia. After the referendum, the authorities have every right to demand the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, to form state bodies, the sample - Transnistria. The Donetsk Republic has access to the sea, a common border with the Russian Federation, i.e. there will be no special problems with the sale of products; in extreme cases, there will be re-export through the Russian Federation.
      1. povojdtrf
        povojdtrf 14 May 2014 17: 00
        +4
        it is necessary, it is necessary to support
      2. Harin Oleg
        Harin Oleg 14 May 2014 18: 57
        +1
        Quote: dik-fort
        A referendum was held to prove to the whole world that the vast majority of the people did not want to live in the country of Ukraine.

        But no one wants to do anything except a very small group of patriots. Everyone is waiting, he’ll come .... and he’ll rule. And they don’t care who comes and, probably, how to settle.
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      4. Grbear
        Grbear 14 May 2014 19: 32
        +3
        dik-fort
        After the referendum, the authorities have every right to demand the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, to form state bodies, the sample - Transnistria. The Donetsk Republic has access to the sea, a common border with the Russian Federation, i.e. there will be no special problems with the sale of products; in extreme cases, there will be re-export through the Russian Federation.


        What are you talking about? Demand, but who will listen to them, except for Russia! Sample Transnistria ?! But there’s nothing that reservists there undergo annual retraining without reminders! Themselves. And the population there is an order of magnitude smaller.
        Access to the sea? to the beach! For the shipment of their products need terminals that have not yet been designed. It would be advisable-would have been built long ago, even under the USSR. All these are slogans and euphoria. The hardest thing to come. A senior must obey! gentlemen minusers.
  10. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 14 May 2014 16: 10
    +3
    The EU and the Torchiboks, as it seems, are already accustomed to presenting everything with exactly the exact opposite! But saddened, it shows! Zapadentsev will not forgive them for this!
  11. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 14 May 2014 16: 15
    +1
    The question arises, and from what incomes do the Fuhrer of Kiev think to pay for European loans? Apparently the lands, and Crimea was probably promised to Obama, so he is furious with illness, and Southeast of Germany.
  12. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 14 May 2014 16: 17
    +6
    Using the ideology of Nazism ... Ukraine threw itself back ...
  13. Sergg
    Sergg 14 May 2014 16: 21
    +24
    Courageous people, organized and beat the Nazis.


    Total losses of punitive in the Donbass on 2-13 on May 2014
    [numbers are increased but not significantly]

    700 killed and wounded, prisoners: of which
    - 310 extremists of the "Right Sector", mostly included in the National Guard (according to some sources, by order of the Junta, about 200 of them were buried secretly in holes specially dug by excavators in the vicinity of Slavyansk to hide losses from the population of Western and Central Ukraine)
    - 120 Ukrainian mercenaries (special battalions of Kolomoisky "Dnepr" and "Azov"). In Mariupol, the leaders of Kolomoisky's mercenaries Demidenko and Bereza were killed.
    - 90 employees of the SBU of Ukraine (Sumy "Alpha" was completely destroyed, Kiev, Poltava, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lvov, Rivne, Vinnytsia, Zhitomir "Alpha" suffered heavy losses, etc.)
    - 70 foreign mercenaries: the Polish PMC ASBS Othago lost 6 people, the American PMC Greystone - 14 people, the American PMC Asademi (known before the 2009 year as Blackwater) - 50 people.
    - 65 military 95 airborne Zhytomyr brigade
    - 25 CIA and FBI officers (13 killed, 12 injured)
    -20 employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
    - eight combat helicopters (Mi-24, Mi-17 and Mi-8)
    -1 Hammer
    -2 Kamaz
    3 howitzers D-30.
    -8 BTR.
    -4 BMP.

    The people of Donbas cannot be defeated! It is important for Russia to help in the formation of government bodies and the financial system in the Donbas. Our people are there.
    1. tigers4
      tigers4 14 May 2014 16: 47
      +15
      Probably the numbers are exaggerated. But still nice) This is for Odessa, Mariupol. VIVAT TO DONBASS!
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    3. kit-kat
      kit-kat 14 May 2014 17: 02
      +1
      There are doubts about the reliability of the number of losses in manpower. Where does the information come from?
      1. Nonik
        Nonik 16 May 2014 16: 15
        0
        Quote: kit-kat
        There are doubts about the reliability of the number of losses in manpower. Where does the information come from?
        Everyone quotes him: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=460350674111824&id=10000410686
        5632
        Older detailed information: http://vg-news.ru/n/109057
    4. old man
      old man 14 May 2014 17: 05
      +3
      Well done BROTHERS, hold on to the RF will help do not hesitate.
    5. Harin Oleg
      Harin Oleg 14 May 2014 19: 08
      +1
      Quote: Sergg
      Total punitive losses in the Donbass for May 2-13, 2014 [figures increased but not significantly]

      I would like to see a link to the source, otherwise the Gebelshina smells. Our media would hardly have used such information. Losses, of course, are on both sides, but not in such quantity.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 14 May 2014 19: 33
        +1
        Quote: Kharin Oleg
        Losses, of course, are on both sides.

        There is no war without loss.
        Quote: Kharin Oleg
        but not in such quantity

        Do you have a say against it? Quote your version!
  14. thinking
    thinking 14 May 2014 16: 22
    +8
    Well, what a talent it is necessary to have in order to beg a country so ineptly! By God - it does not fit in my head .................
    1. R-118bm3
      R-118bm3 14 May 2014 16: 27
      +7
      America helped. "Thank you" to her for that !!!
  15. Sergg
    Sergg 14 May 2014 16: 26
    +17
    Kievan Today, 16:14 ↑ New
    And the facts are simple:
    1. Russia grossly amended the norms of international law, using military force, annexed part of the territory of the sovereign state of Ukraine.


    Listen, fraerok, during the collapse of the USSR, Russia needed to immediately annex Crimea and Novorossia, since these are historically Russian lands donated by Ukraine by the Bolsheviks and Khrushchev at the time when it was one state. Therefore, do not wind the snot on a fist and sulk. Historical justice must triumph.
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    2. 97110
      97110 14 May 2014 17: 42
      +1
      What are you writing about this troll? He himself knows everything perfectly - this is a business, i.e. nothing sacred.
  16. Arh
    Arh 14 May 2014 16: 27
    +10
    The Ukrainian economy without Donbass will be small)))
  17. Koronik
    Koronik 14 May 2014 16: 32
    +3
    These are the "Kievites" who have already been reviled for, but you have no hope for the help of the European Union? Democrats fucking alive burned people in Odessa.
    1. povojdtrf
      povojdtrf 14 May 2014 17: 03
      -1
      Yes, there’s a boy, no one upset them, here they’re greyhound ...
      1. ARS56
        ARS56 14 May 2014 22: 46
        +2
        In Odessa, a well-prepared punitive operation was carried out with provocations, sets up, cover ... "The boys were there only for extras.
        216 people were brutally killed, burned alive, poisoned (the use of military agents against civilians is a violation of the convention). And then Tymoshenko said, "On May 9, the veterans will have to be burned in Kiev too ...
        The German fascists did not dream of this. Bandera ... Inhuman. And Geyropa is the same.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 15 May 2014 05: 09
          +6
          In Odessa, an intimidation action developed by the junta was carried out and the blood of the inhabitants of Odessa completely fell on them! The Tribunal in Rostov is waiting!
      2. ARS56
        ARS56 14 May 2014 22: 46
        0
        In Odessa, a well-prepared punitive operation was carried out with provocations, sets up, cover ... "The boys were there only for extras.
        216 people were brutally killed, burned alive, poisoned (the use of military agents against civilians is a violation of the convention). And then Tymoshenko said, "On May 9, the veterans will have to be burned in Kiev too ...
        The German fascists did not dream of this. Bandera ... Inhuman. And Geyropa is the same.
  18. Strashila
    Strashila 14 May 2014 16: 38
    +9
    They have not yet felt the significance of the Donbass ... while coal is being loaded and the western regions, they don’t care what’s happening there.
    But only coal will cease to flow there, they will understand that they have torn away from themselves.
    Now they insist that coal is unprofitable, that it’s dated ... now gentlemen of the junta will buy at its price which they will appoint ... and you won’t go anywhere ... all the thermal power plants and production facilities are designed for it ... there is nothing to replace it with.
    1. Lunic
      Lunic 14 May 2014 17: 40
      +1
      In the old Soviet times, in our Donbass, they used to say: "Donbass gives the country coal! Even if it is small, but to x ..!"
      The coal industry is really unprofitable all over the world and in most cases is subsidized by the state (state campaigns). This is especially true for the Donbass, since coal lies rather deep in this region, plus (or rather minus) has a high sulfur content. Donbass coal is very expensive. To reduce the cost of coal, you need to invest in new technologies and close the most unprofitable mines. The Polish coal industry at one time went through this painful procedure (late 80s - early 90s) and is currently in good positions.
  19. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 14 May 2014 16: 42
    +12
    Ukraine is dying, who has time to self-determination will survive.
  20. povojdtrf
    povojdtrf 14 May 2014 16: 45
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Zeus
    Without close economic cooperation in the CU or the EEC, or the accession of the DPR, LPR to Russia, their economy is not viable.
    Yes, work is now "for several generations", the main thing is that new Gaidars do not appear ...

    AND THIS MAIN THING, I Pity ARKADIA THAT HE HAS SUCH A GRAND HAND
    1. Dadasi
      Dadasi 14 May 2014 21: 23
      0
      Yegor Gaidar is not a grandson of Arkady Gaidar ... Arkady Gardar had a stepson Timur Gaidar, that's it ...
  21. sinukvl
    sinukvl 14 May 2014 16: 47
    +6
    And those who maydanut for another half a year in Kiev will jump with screams, in general, they will drive themselves into a primitive communal system. At a time when it is necessary to deal with the country's economy, and negotiate with the regions. They only shouted from the stands, "Heroes fat!", But carry out punitive operations. Seeing the last brains were knocked over, if they had them, of course.
  22. Rubmolot
    Rubmolot 14 May 2014 16: 54
    +4
    The Ukrainians themselves threw themselves away from the XXI for 20 years. century in the nineteenth. century!
    1. kit-kat
      kit-kat 16 May 2014 09: 49
      0
      Because there is no such nation - "Ukrainian". They had to become either Russians or Poles, but they hung out, and they still hang out like you-know-what's in the hole.
  23. Arkan
    Arkan 14 May 2014 16: 54
    +5
    So another big question is who will be bored more - Kiev and Lviv in the Donbas, or the Donbass in Kiev and Lvov.


    Donbass will never be bored!
  24. Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx 14 May 2014 16: 55
    +13
    When in Kiev "Maidans" was played, Donbass was working. Now Kiev wants to take away what they have earned, to force everyone to become Banderites, and so that everyone should be happy!
  25. shelva
    shelva 14 May 2014 17: 15
    +1
    And when Ukraine loses the rest of Yu.V. - will be in the Middle Ages.
  26. old man
    old man 14 May 2014 17: 21
    +3
    Donetsk and Lugansk Quickly create governments, take control of the border and you need to establish the economy for this month no more, otherwise the remnants with the new half-president will recover and new intrigues will begin against you.
  27. Palych9999
    Palych9999 14 May 2014 17: 24
    +1
    The remnants of the Okraina will be renamed into Gulyai-Pole, and we need to break ALL economic ties with them.
    And if "Ueropa" is gassed with gas, God be with them, let them be content with the fact that we will supply by "Dill".
    And his country-it is necessary to raise, squeezed with expenses on bureaucrats and even on pensions and salaries.
    We will interrupt, but we will rise.
  28. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever 14 May 2014 17: 25
    +4
    "So the big question is who will miss more - Kiev and Lvov in Donbass, or Donbass in Kiev and Lvov."

    I believe no one will be bored - strangers will never be relatives. And the fact that today in the Donbass is an instinct for self-preservation. The fascist regime of Kiev has already shown itself in Odessa, and the USA and the EU have not openly but supported such punitive acts - they approved and issued a monetary tranche. If Donbass did not show courage and did not show a three-finger figure to Kiev and their puppeteers from the USA, I think the bloody scenario would still become a reality - no less awful and bloody than in Odessa. The US goal is to reduce the number of Russian and Eastern Ukrainians to the maximum by extermination or resettlement to Russia anyway, which would free up the territory for the residents of Western Ukraine - Bandera.
    Such events have already taken place in the history of mankind, when a stronger race pushed out a weaker one from the territory - this was the beginning of an era where a person became an integral part of the public. This is not a struggle for territory as it seems at first glance - but everything is much more dramatic and tragic. On the other hand, the United States got into a quagmire, which now will inevitably suck it in, and the EU, so as not to be drawn in by quicksands and drown together with the United States, will soon have to inevitably dissolve itself - the knot of unsolvable contradictions has already reached its maximum and only this way its resolution is possible. Once such a crisis has already been resolved at the expense of huge casualties. Today's crisis will again have to be solved by Germany and Russia, but by joint efforts in order to minimize losses.
  29. andj61
    andj61 14 May 2014 17: 25
    +2
    The IMF sadly stated: with the loss of the southeast, Ukraine will have to increase aid


    All the same, for the future this help will not work for Kiev.
  30. individual
    individual 14 May 2014 17: 41
    +2
    The question is correctly posed: why pay taxes to the walking Maidan and mercenary killers from Kiev?
    The sooner the rest of the South-East of Ukraine understands this, the sooner fascism will end and the sooner the "economy" of the Kiev junta will collapse.
  31. X Y Z
    X Y Z 14 May 2014 17: 49
    +2
    Ukraine did not return to the XNUMXth century, but to its true state - the rural outback. Let me remind you that the cities along the Odessa-Donbass line were annexed to Ukraine at the beginning of the XNUMXth century due to the complete absence of the proletariat in this republic.
  32. 97110
    97110 14 May 2014 17: 52
    -1
    Quote: Tanya-umunechka
    “The current crisis will again have to be solved by Germany and Russia, but by joint efforts in order to minimize losses.

    There is doubt about the mental health of the Germans. It was not in vain that the Anglo-Saxons practiced the technology of organizing a "fire storm" on them - tolerasts would not go on the attack - it is not tolerant to smack a person with a bayonet.
    1. Tanechka-clever
      Tanechka-clever 14 May 2014 19: 47
      +2
      “There is a doubt about the mental health of the Germans ..” - if you look back, then there were very strong doubts in the Russian mental health as well - now “bog”, now Navalny with his newly-made websites, then gay pride parades or puski-naked ass.
      "Tolerasty will not go on the attack" - we, too, without sense, hardly anyone will rush under the tank. But the events in Donbass show that this is possible if there is an idea.
      Zhirinovsky is right - there is a Russian nation that unites all peoples living on Russian soil. I will give one example that took place - a company of Soviet servicemen of 3 Russians and 2 Armenians was attacked by 10 other nations in one of the former friendly countries. They began to persecute the Armenians and said that they needed only Russians for the showdown. The Armenians replied: "I am an Armenian in the Soviet Union, and here for you - Russian." The guys fought hard until the military commander's office arrived.
      The Germans very much like the Russians developed patriotism, hidden under the guise of nationalism. Today, the United States is afraid of the unification of Russia and Germany - because it is a power that can change the world for peace without the participation of the United States
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  33. Aleksandr65
    Aleksandr65 14 May 2014 17: 53
    +2
    Russia SHOULD help the Russian people of Donbass and Lugansk. Military (weapons and volunteers) and economic assistance. If Putin talked about the Crimea, that they conducted sociological research on possible accession, then the Donbass and Dugansk region did not hold greenhouse referendums, as in the Crimea under the protection of the army, but rather, in the conditions of the kuev terror and indeed at gunpoint! And do not help them - SIN is unforgivable!
  34. aleks 62
    aleks 62 14 May 2014 17: 56
    +16
    .... In general, a plus ... Only a small comment on Kiev ... Yes, it’s true that Kiev gives 22%, but the estimate is from the evil one ... The fact is that almost all large enterprises are registered in Kiev and, accordingly, taxes are paid there, and large enterprises (Donetsk, Kharkov, etc.) .... If you take the figures that real Kiev enterprises give, the figure is much more modest - according to various sources, 7-8% !!!! (total! !!)
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 14 May 2014 20: 03
      0
      You are absolutely right. The legal addresses of many companies are located in Kiev, and the physical address can be anywhere in Ukraine.
  35. Orik
    Orik 14 May 2014 18: 03
    -1
    Those who are well acquainted with the Ukrainian economy know that "all money is earned in the South-East and spent in Kiev." With the gradual disappearance of the SE, 22% of Kiev will change very much! BUT we need a whole, friendly Ukraine as part of the CU and the Eurasian Union, welcome to the EU. wink
  36. uzer 13
    uzer 13 14 May 2014 18: 06
    +3
    The IMF will be able to quickly make sure that giving money to bankrupt is useless, not a single person in Ukraine is concerned about the restoration of a destroyed economy. For some reason, everyone hopes for a happy event that will happen to them and they will finally heal no worse than people.
  37. Prutkov
    Prutkov 14 May 2014 18: 18
    +3
    The kid sniffed on the Maidan of tires.
  38. Signaller
    Signaller 14 May 2014 18: 19
    +1
    Swedish Foreign Minister Karl Bildt unexpectedly stated that the events of recent days would destroy the economy of Donbass and plunge the region into chaos.
    Goatiness of Swedes is a well-known fact. Their symbol. So everything is clear. The mind did not increase one iota.
    They will help, WHO ????? It’s not clear, but they will.
  39. Morgan761
    Morgan761 14 May 2014 18: 24
    +1
    Here's the last sentence and put a plus article ... Banderlozh tribe has not yet understood, but will soon understand - they have no chance in the world of the Slavs. Not NRA? - Uye - Where? - And where do you want ... In the EU, for example, for the cookies ... They are waiting for you, p.d.o.r .... and they will provide you with everything you need - condoms, soap, lard .... And what are we? You can’t do it with us ... All that we can offer is a ravine on the outskirts of Slavyansk (well, so as not to waste diesel fuel on an excavator), we promise to make a landfill later on in this place, too ... What would be disgraceful ... .
    Someone will object, they say, not in Christian terms ... But in Christian terms, to burn people ?! This evil spirits have no religion ... And countries .... And nations ....
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 14 May 2014 20: 07
      0
      Uh, do not touch the fat am it's holy))
      The original Slavic Jew detector. (I ask you not to confuse the Jews and the long-suffering Jewish people, I have at my aunt-uncle-nephews in Haifa)
  40. sv68
    sv68 14 May 2014 18: 26
    0
    Well, Kiev itself, by means of attacks, has torn away the Donbass from the rest of Ukraine, and Russia should and must help the Donbas people both financially and technically, sooner or later, but Donbass, like Crimea, will return to Russia, and our responsibility to accept them as brothers and to establish good relations is now
  41. b.t.a.
    b.t.a. 14 May 2014 18: 28
    -1
    I wonder what the fate of enterprises that are privately owned by the oligarchs. If they are not nationalized, there will be no sense in them. And in the nationalizes, then such a howl will be raised. It would be nice if the workers established their control over the plants.
  42. CARLSON
    CARLSON 14 May 2014 18: 49
    +1
    The Ministry of Justice of Ukraine estimated losses from the loss of the Crimea in a trillion hryvnia

    It is somehow even strange that they so appreciated the modest Crimea, and why not Ahuliard. Probably the Ahuliard was left to assess the losses from the loss of the Southeast.
    Soon, for joy, they will start jumping again, if only they would have raised with that kind of money, but in the future they’ll get rich
  43. Cristall
    Cristall 14 May 2014 18: 56
    +4
    Hmm ... we should talk to a Kievite (not a forum member, but a friend), on this subject, I hope he already has a little clearer in his head.
    I told him that the continuation of such a policy towards the Russian-speaking ones and the attitude towards the economy-everything that could be falling off ... Remains of respect for the country burned out here, not far from me ...
  44. asadov
    asadov 14 May 2014 19: 08
    +2
    "Ukraine and the program of its authorities faced unprecedented risks. If the central government loses effective control over the east, the program of economic assistance to Ukraine will need further revision," the official statement of the IMF leads Agence France-Presse.
    Or maybe the West will refuse to sponsor Ukraine? Why do they need it without the eastern regions?
  45. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 14 May 2014 19: 56
    +2
    The whole Ukraine lived from the Donbas, if Mariupol is nationalized by metallurgy and port, then the Akhmetov will go around the world, and the people will live quite satisfying. If there is produce or money and access to the sea, it is impossible to block such a territory. Everything can be bought, not there so here, and everything can be entered. And if there is a seiner, there will also be fish.
    The biggest danger is the local "boys" in the leadership, who instead of doing business can be engaged in the arrangement of personal well-being.
  46. bilibom
    bilibom 14 May 2014 21: 02
    +1
    [/ Center]
    Quote: mhpv
    Bad example contagious




    Who does not ride that Mos-ka-l!
  47. 933454818
    933454818 14 May 2014 21: 12
    0
    I live in Portugal, Ukrainians have been working here since the late 90s, and in 2003-2005 the Ukrainian community was the largest in the country. Then it became smaller, people began to leave because it’s bad to work here. And the last year again, mainly Western Ukrainians rushed here, only now with their wives, and who can with their children.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 15 May 2014 08: 27
      +1
      It is the right-wing people who hide their relatives. They feel that the reckoning for the "red" is approaching.
  48. Bormental
    Bormental 14 May 2014 21: 34
    +1
    Actually, in the XNUMXth century, there was no Ukraine at all. The story of the so-called Ukrainian statehood accidentally lengthen.
  49. boozer
    boozer 14 May 2014 21: 47
    0
    By the way, where is the boxer? How's his nag? He, too, seemed to be at the same time with the fascists. They didn’t bury him there by chance?
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 15 May 2014 08: 31
      +1
      This fucking hamadryl is backing down. But Maidan and Odessa will not be forgiven him.
  50. RUS33
    RUS33 14 May 2014 22: 48
    0
    Quote: Rusin Dima
    By the number of flags of the EU and America, Maidan viciously takes 1st place

    Even in America and Europe there isn’t so much