Battle of Kramatorsk

Interlocutor RIA News" reports that units of Donbass militias are fighting with units of the so-called National Guard of Ukraine near Kramatorsk.

On the victims of clashes received conflicting information. There is evidence that Kramatorsk militia destroyed one enemy vehicle. This is the BTR, in which representatives of the National Guard of Ukraine, often referred to as Don Nazi-Guard, in the Donbas tried to break through to the central part of the city.

According to the Life News TV channel, columns of Ukrainian armored vehicles moved toward the village of Oktyabrsky, military helicopters are visible in the sky. The national guard is firing not only for the militias, but also for those civilians who did not have time to hide. Speech on the provision of a humanitarian corridor for the civilian population Kiev again did not lead.

According to representatives of the Kramatorsk militia, volunteer companies participate in the battles with the National Guard, many of which are formed from local Cossacks. Details of the representatives of the militia about their own losses: to 15: 00 one soldier was killed, one was seriously wounded.

Residents of Kramatorsk believe that in this way Kiev is trying to avenge them for their active participation in the referendum. Kramatorsk is one of those cities of Donbass where the turnout at the referendum held on Sunday was extremely high. Most residents of the city spoke in favor of the sovereignty of the Donetsk People's Republic.

Comments

[from punk]

it looks like everything is very serious there. And they will hit on all fronts. The junta cannot stop. The National Guard is already taking away cars from the residents. So there will be tough fights

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Fresh comment Strelkova I.I. on the situation near Kramatorsk

summer56

13 May 2014. 15H 00 min.

"The Kramatorsk company (formed by 2/3 of the Cossacks) has just reported on the completion of the mission. 2 armored personnel carriers, 1 KAMAZ with infantry, 1 KAMAZ with ammunition were destroyed from an ambush, about 30 enemy soldiers were killed and wounded. Only 1 GAZ-66 managed to escape. with a mortar on a trailer. Our losses are -1 "200th" and 1 "300th". The deceased is a volunteer from Dnepropetrovsk. "

And the first information appears about the losses of the National Guard of Ukraine as a result of shelling by valiant artillerymen Igor Ivanovich:

“According to the radio interception, the losses of the National Guard in killed only as a result of the first shelling of Karachun made more than 100 people killed, mainly as a result of the detonation of an ammunition depot.
According to some reports, 102 people whom the Ukrainians recently recorded as "deserters" are just the victims of the shelling, about which the Ukrainians cannot inform their relatives and therefore they were dishonored posthumously. "

Here's something like this ..

[ZU-23]

the junta will continue to kill until they are overthrown, but the heroes are reduced so much, it can be said the bravest ones who went to fight in the forefront.

[ledi irina]

Well, let them include the brain, at least its left half

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ledi-irina

, at least its left half

There is no left, no right half. A cleanly empty box where you need to eat.

[ledi irina]

Probably, but I want to hope, because among them were not stupid people

[anfil]

Well, let them include the brain, at least its left half

How can one turn on what is not ?!

[kocclissi]

Maybe it will turn on, after all, Russian people, despite the fact that they call themselves "Ukrainians" ...

[Wels75]

Vitaly sorry, while your post was doing your escho was not, damn it a minute difference.

[dr.Bo]

Strelkov I.I. - REAL HERO!

[51064]

From the scene, see the Russian Spring website
[media=http://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=26132885&id=168545927&hash=c6381c68f36af8
0c & hd = 1]

[Biolant]

Well, the lies at the Junta will not endlessly, as a soldier of the Ukrainian Armed Forces said: "We can deploy tanks to the west."

[I do not care]

I’m glad for the militias, but all the same, all this is red, the guard-meat, moreover stupid, although from their point of view, they are also patriots, but the real creatures sitting in Kuev will remain
white and fluffy rabbits. Well, I do not believe that most of them will be responsible for at least something.

[crow]

Kramatorsk company-glory !!!!! it would be nice to continue ..... and without their losses ..... drive the junta !!!!

[Alex_B]

Quote: MIKHAN

Fresh comment Strelkova I.I. on the situation near Kramatorsk

summer56

13 May 2014. 15H 00 min.

"The Kramatorsk company (formed by 2/3 of the Cossacks) has just reported on the completion of the mission. 2 armored personnel carriers, 1 KAMAZ with infantry, 1 KAMAZ with ammunition were destroyed from an ambush, about 30 enemy soldiers were killed and wounded. Only 1 GAZ-66 managed to escape. with a mortar on a trailer. Our losses are -1 "200th" and 1 "300th". The deceased is a volunteer from Dnepropetrovsk. "

And the first information appears about the losses of the National Guard of Ukraine as a result of shelling by valiant artillerymen Igor Ivanovich:

“According to the radio interception, the losses of the National Guard in killed only as a result of the first shelling of Karachun made more than 100 people killed, mainly as a result of the detonation of an ammunition depot.
According to some reports, 102 people whom the Ukrainians recently recorded as "deserters" are just the victims of the shelling, about which the Ukrainians cannot inform their relatives and therefore they were dishonored posthumously. "

Here's something like this ..

Worthy exchange!

[Ross]

According to Life-news:

The National Guard retreats after an attack by militias near Slavyansk Self-defense forces continue to attack the Ukrainian security forces to free the corridor necessary for the city.

According to the headquarters of the self-defense command, after the shelling of the National Guard base and the "Right Sector" in the area of ​​the feed mill near Slavyansk, the soldiers of the Ukrainian army refused to shoot at the checkpoints and laid down their arms. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine sent them new detachments of soldiers to replace them. Upon learning of this, the militia again fired at the location of the security forces.

According to representatives of the self-defense of Sloviansk, the "fresh forces" were taken by surprise.

“At first, the soldiers did not understand where the fire was being fired from, and started firing in different directions, then they retreated and left their location,” LifeNews was told at the headquarters of the militia command.

Self-defense activists hope that the National Guard will retreat from the feed mill, opening the corridor necessary for the city. Residents of Slavyansk are still experiencing problems with food supplies. Ukrainian security officials block cars with food and medicines at the entrances to the city.

[Jogan-xnumx]

Quote: MIKHAN

Here's something like this ..

Nevertheless, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk are not discouraged!
I offer a little positive

[Krilion]

Quote: MIKHAN

The Kramatorsky company has just reported on the assignment (formed by 2/3 of the Cossacks). From an ambush, 2 armored personnel carriers, 1 KAMAZ with infantry, 1 KAMAZ with ammunition were destroyed, about 30 enemy soldiers were killed and wounded. Only 1 GAZ-66 with a mortar on the trailer managed to escape.

Quote: MIKHAN

“According to the radio interception, the losses of the National Guard in killed only as a result of the first shelling of Karachun made more than 100 people killed, mainly as a result of the detonation of an ammunition depot.

I would like to believe .. the figures for the Nazi losses are very optimistic ....

[avia1991]

Quote: Krilion

the numbers of losses of the Nazis are very optimistic ....

The whole question is where and how - and most importantly, KEM - an ambush was organized. The numbers are quite real if people with sufficient combat experience acted. The main losses in a similar situation occur in the first 15-20 seconds, and they can be catastrophic if the attackers are not trained.

[Artyom]

and here’s the video in the topic! Just beautiful!
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[img] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NySIWKDUgTo [/ img]

[Artyom]

here's the video in the topic! You'll like it!
do not look at the flag .... I am encrypted

[asar]

Well done, militias! So their u.o.d.o.v! "Soak" without pity! They were not invited, they themselves "asked for it"!

[Wels75]

Guys here. Look. Strelkov is already reporting on the work done.
Comment Strelkova I.I. according to the situation near Kramatorsk.

“I just reported on the assignment of the Kramatorsk company (formed by 2/3 of the Cossacks). From an ambush, 2 armored personnel carriers, 1 KAMAZ with infantry, 1 KAMAZ with ammunition were destroyed, about 30 enemy soldiers were killed and wounded. Only 1 GAZ-66 with a mortar on the trailer managed to escape. Our losses are -1 “200th” and 1 “300th”. The deceased is a volunteer from Dnepropetrovsk. ”

The first information about the losses of the National Guard of Ukraine as a result of shelling by valiant artillerymen Igor Ivanovich:

“According to the radio interception, the loss of the National Guard killed by the first shelling of Karachun alone amounted to more than 100 people killed. Mostly as a result of the detonation of the ammunition depot.
According to some reports, 102 people whom Ukrainians most recently recorded as “deserters” are just victims of the shelling, which Ukrainians cannot tell their relatives and therefore dishonored posthumously. ”

http://rusvesna.su/news/1399984268

[almost demobil]

Quote: Veles75

Guys here. Look. Strelkov is already reporting on the work done.

Where does this information come from? I would like to believe, but somehow it's too good. In classmates yesterday there was also infa that there were about 240 people who lost kaklov, of which 170 were law enforcement officers, a bunch of armored personnel carriers, 7 turntables. It would be true would have passed in the news.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: almost demobilized

Where does this information come from?

Now on Vesti talk about it.

[a52333]

24 news has just been revealed. looking for a video

[Wels75]

You will find the link here. thank

[a52333]

[media = http: //www.vesti.ru/only_video.html? vid = 598346]
Here it appeared

http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=598346

[Anti-ukra]

drop the link to the video

[a52333]

Quote: Veles75

According to some reports, 102 people whom Ukrainians most recently recorded as “deserters”

And so the junting army is demoralized. come on, write down your HEROES in deserters, the latter will flee from you.

[ksv500]

Seem to be! Time works against the junta. They have nothing to wait for, nothing to hope for. Or decide to fight in full against the people, or they will soon be driven out of there by the quickly formed army of Donbass. Standing still Natsik only decompose. Today and the coming days are likely to be decisive. God help the militia to survive!

[Anti-ukra]

Let the junta on its fucking skin try partisan actions. DONBAS SO HOLD!

[Anti-ukra]

Let the junta on its fucking skin try partisan actions. DONBAS SO HOLD!

[strannik595]

About an hour lasted an underwater duel of a resident of Kramatorsk (Donetsk region) with a catfish, as a result of which the catfish was defeated and raised to the surface, the Vostochny Project reports.
The catch turned out to weigh 86 kg and a length of 2,5 meters.

......... and more recently in Kramatorsk there were such hostilities and such trophies ......... thanks to Rada and Turchinov’s team, you are a bunch of geniuses of political thought and public administration

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: strannik595

The underwater duel of a resident of Kramatorsk (Donetsk region) with a catfish lasted about an hour

Fu you! And at the first second I thought that the missing link in the chain of origin of the Great Ukrov was found.

[Hariva]

Quote: punk

it looks like everything is very serious there. And they will hit on all fronts. The junta cannot stop. The National Guard is already taking away cars from the residents. So there will be tough fights

And the inhabitants take away the armored vehicles from the National Guard ... This is some kind of senseless and merciless pzzdedets.

[Lord of the Sith]

Here fresh went to Kramatorsk

[aspirin02]

The junta is conducting a large-scale battle with the protesters !!!!

[Alez]

Today, the Natsiks are leading the offensive, and tomorrow the DNI and LC militias will go to Kiev. Campaign dill seeking adventure on their ass.

[Stanislas]

Quote: Alez

Campaign dill seeking adventure on their ass.

They have already found them in the campaign.

[1812 1945]

Quote: Alez

Today, the Natsiks are leading the offensive, and tomorrow the DNI and LC militias will go to Kiev. Campaign dill seeking adventure on their ass.

It's time for Moscow to stop wasting time on "meetings" and "negotiations". Better to just keep quiet, but do what you should. This is the junta and its owners more worried about. It can be seen: the junta uses all means to destroy people under the guise of negotiations and meetings of its "curators" with representatives of Moscow.

[Biolant]

And given the assassination attempt on the head of Lugansk, there will be a lot of adventures))

[Silkway0026]

Helicopters - to bring down, armored personnel carriers - to burn ... the Nazi guards - will scatter themselves.

[Spnsr]

This campaign of rabid dogs cannot be stopped! to clean the brain, these mongrels will run away themselves!

[Buran]

Hang garlands along the roads on poles, brains will be cleared.

[Latvian]

All the same, only the National Guard must be exterminated so that they do not scatter and the more, the better for the Southeast!

[alvo121277]

Not only for the Southeast, but for the whole of Ukraine. Beat the Nazis to complete destruction.

[KOSMOS]

Guys! Get the arrogance off these punishers! Bulk on the most want! God bless you!

[strannik595]

Guys! Knock the arrogance off these punishers (separatists)! Bulk on the most want! God bless you!

..... the saddest thing is that these slogans sound on both sides and applaud them on both sides ....... and the country is rolling into a branch of Somalia

[tnship2]

Just limitless stupidity, cynicism and meanness! Push their citizens wall to wall. Krutova on the aspen.

[All1]

Our Supreme is silent for something, I don’t understand anything ...

[mamont5]

Quote: Alll1

Our Supreme is silent for something, I don’t understand anything ...

He knows that the militias will deal with these Natsiks themselves, and we need to confront the West and the United States so that they do not get involved completely.

[from punk]

Quote: Alll1

Our Supreme is silent for something, I don’t understand anything ...

and your actions in the place of the supreme? Now everything is very difficult. But I believe that it is silent for a reason

[avia1991]

Quote: punk

I believe that it is silent for a reason

I WANT TO BELIEVE .. These constant calls for "a dialogue between the Kiev authorities and representatives of the South-East of UKRAINE are straining .." Today even Vladimir Shamanov could not resist talking about sanctions: in response to a commentator's question, "that is, are you not going to America?" " replied: "WELL WHY: IF THE PRESIDENT AND THE DEFENSE MINISTER SEND - I WILL GO!" The landing was stuck ..

[tol100v]

Everything has its time...

[zao74]

Nikherov is silent, two republics and cradles Natsik ... everyone would be so silent.

[Russ69]

Quote: Alll1

Our Supreme is silent for something, I don’t understand anything ...

What to talk about now? The referendum recognized that there is still talk.
Yes, and the longer it is silent, the more they use in the geynrop of panpers ...

[snifer]

everything is just beginning, this is the agony of the junta, the right-wingers, the homosexuals will break off

[ambiorix]

All right, men. Do not express.
This militia squeezes the National Guard

Fresh comment Strelkova I.I. on the situation near Kramatorsk

"I just reported aboutCompletion of the task Kramatorsk company (formed by 2/3 of the Cossacks). 2 armored personnel carriers, 1 KAMAZ with infantry, 1 KAMAZ with ammunition were destroyed from an ambush, about 30 enemy soldiers were killed and wounded. Only 1 GAZ-66 with a mortar on a trailer managed to escape. Our losses are -1 "200" and 1 "300". The deceased is a volunteer from Dnepropetrovsk. "

And the first information appears about the losses of the National Guard of Ukraine as a result of shelling by Igor Ivanovich artillery:

“According to radio interception, the losses of the National Guard killed as a result of the first shelling of Karachun amounted to over 100 people killed. Mostly - as a result of the detonation of an ammunition depot.

According to some reports, 102 people who were recently recorded as "deserters" are just the victims of the shelling, about whom they cannot tell their relatives and therefore were dishonored posthumously. "

[ambiorix]

In general, the Army of the Southeast near Slavyansk has long gone over to the counteroffensive. Every day, the positions of the Nazis are fired, so as not to relax.

The day before yesterday they fired on Karachun from Nona. Bandera thought of concentrating all the equipment on Karachun near Nona's side. It still seems to be in orderly, dense rows, as in satellite images from the Russian Defense Ministry. Something there definitely detonated.

Then they fired at their checkpoint near Compound feed.

Here's the video:



But such holes remain after the hit of a shell from Nona.



The National Guard is not at all funny. Militias say that after each shelling, the National Guard has to change the regiment at the checkpoints. Punishers refuse to fight in such conditions)))

And here is the night shelling with BMD:

[Andrey77]

BMD-shki had not yet seen the night battle. Thank you for the video. Soon it will scatter across all media channels.

[jjj]

"Nona" works well. Every other time it gets

[Horst78]

Damn, it reminds of footage from childhood about the Transnistrian war. There even "Alazanya" fought.

[gispanec]

Quote: ambiorix

All right, men. Do not bet. This is the militia squeezing the National Guard

minus mine for reading all the posts above before posting the same thing 10 times

[alex-cn]

Nakarkal, old d .... to, just wrote in the comments on the article about Bolotov that the right-wingers will trample, with their brains then there’s nothing smarter to come up with ...

[jurassic61]

I hope that the militias use a small part of their resources when resisting.

[mig31]

It's time for "Needles" in battle and RPGs, reconnaissance, snipers, special forces, guys, there must be an initiative ...

[Ajax]

Not for the Nazis !!! They already unanimously say both Russia and Europe: no war, no national dialogue! The creatures caved in under the office and the Lyashki parted! Burn nonhumans in the fiery hyena!

[Arh]

As the DPR and LPR will be part of the Russian Federation or the Russian Federation will send troops, they will immediately drape already, oh, p, but it will sparkle !!!))))

[Yellow white]

The main thing is to survive these first days, after the referendum, to show that after the elections everything is just beginning ...
God is with you guys, who really against you!

[Giant thought]

Fell the Maidan indiscriminately, do not take prisoners, these sv.lochki do not deserve to be taken prisoner.

[tol100v]

TRUPCHINOV, YAYTSENUKH AND OTHER NATSIKS BROKEN, AND FAST OF ALL - BROKEN. ONLY VERY SORRY IN ANY innocent PEOPLE, BUT THE TRUTH IS WITH THEM!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Turchinov is being interrogated ..)))

[maximus235]

So this is after all that uncle bearded from photos from the State Department. He is a Russian commando.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: maximus235

So this is after all that uncle bearded from photos from the State Department. He is a Russian commando.

He is not a special forces soldier but a Cossack militia ...))) (September 2014 Kiev)

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Fir-trees-sticks. I’m in aah! How long can I do this? Someone’s plank has sank the bottom of the baseboard.

[Yarik]

13 May 2014. 15H 00 min.

"The Kramatorsk company (formed by 2/3 of the Cossacks) has just reported on the completion of the mission. 2 armored personnel carriers, 1 KAMAZ with infantry, 1 KAMAZ with ammunition were destroyed from an ambush, about 30 enemy soldiers were killed and wounded. Only 1 GAZ-66 managed to escape. with a mortar on a trailer. Our losses are -1 "200th" and 1 "300th". The deceased is a volunteer from Dnepropetrovsk. "

And the first information appears about the losses of the National Guard of Ukraine as a result of shelling by valiant artillerymen Igor Ivanovich:

“According to the radio interception, the losses of the National Guard in killed only as a result of the first shelling of Karachun made more than 100 people killed, mainly as a result of the detonation of an ammunition depot.
According to some reports, 102 people whom the Ukrainians recently recorded as "deserters" are just the victims of the shelling, about which the Ukrainians cannot inform their relatives and therefore they were dishonored posthumously. "


It’s a pity that they didn’t take Kamaz with ammunition. And they fight fiercely: put 30 people, I’ll tell you that. Well done!

[Hariva]

That's interesting. Why do you go into the discussion? Plyusikov dial? You are not even interested in the opinions of other respondents. This report has already been posted here 5 times.

[Vesnik]

Revenge, of course. It will "begin" now. For the "Nazis" are getting out of control.
These "dybily" do not know how to use a weapon, pointing the barrel at the civilian population.
Every military man knows who served 45 degrees up or down, and not in the people, which is what gives out this "rabble" from the Maidan.
In a military man, this is perfected "to automatism." The video shows it immediately.

[Reserve officer]

The Donetsk Republic is proclaimed. A popular referendum took place.
Therefore, regardless of recognition or non-recognition, a new state has been formed.
So the military actions of the "new Kiev government" are no longer revenge, but intervention.

[Buran]

At the military, it is on the fuse, and cocked only with direct fire contact. And if the military wants to appease the civilian there is a kind word, a butt, and hand-to-hand fighting techniques. But for this you just need to have a skill.

[Stiletto]

More and more insistently the Kiev junta invites "polite people" from Russia to take part in the fate of compatriots ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Stiletto

More and more insistently the Kiev junta invites "polite people" from Russia to take part in the fate of compatriots ...

Southeast I think has already spoken out and the junta understood it. And let the "polite people" have a little rest .. They worked great in the spring! The people should rise up against the junta and of course the militias, volunteers (there are many very experienced and adequate military reserves) Or am I wrong ..?

[valentina-makanalina]

You guys are now proclaimed independent republics. Start at least a guerrilla war on your territory, if of course you understand what a guerrilla war is. Do not let yourself be cornered. You are in your own land!

[Palych9999]

Pi-pets to such terr. education, which was once called "Ukraine".

[buser]

some kind of inconsistency ... Under the karachun, 100 national guards were destroyed. And those 102 deserters served in Zhytomyr and were military personnel. Or conscripts serve in the National Guard?

[Peter Timofeev]

The more aggressive the hut behaves, the closer its end.

[REDBLUE]

Quote: Silkway0026

Helicopters - to bring down, armored personnel carriers - to burn ... the Nazi guards - will scatter themselves.

And natsam at stake

[Rblipetsk]

Quote: REDBLUE

And natsam at stake

it’s cruel and somehow it’s not our way or something ... just to hang up and the matter is with the end.

[storm wind]

This is just the beginning..

[Bobxnumx]

Hang on guys! Natsik must be thoroughly succumbed.

[cerbuk6155]

Well done boys. It is a great honor to protect your people from Bandera and the mercenaries of this junta. Victory to you in this difficult time.

[Kilo-11]

That's it, no number, but skill! Bravo! For a long time it was necessary to hammer these walking columns of punishers. Part 3 of the Bus Forces of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is all written about organizing ambushes, just add your own initiative and imagination, based on the situation, your forces and means and the enemy , terrain, etc. And maybe it’s time to use such concepts as a punisher, punitive, punitive operation, punitive troops, Ukrainian SS troops with respect to these fascist troops! If this is read by guys from Donetsk and Lugansk regions, then you can tell your leaders, yes and to our reporters who work in those parts ?!

[Lunic]

It is a pity that people are dying from one side and the other.

[Walk]

The junta has already gone all-in. They are going to ban the Communist Party, because right at the meeting Simonenko called things by their proper names, and even someone from the PR supported him. One gets the feeling that the pastor and the relatives of Fashington received a command to hold out until the election at all costs, and our sworn friends will recognize the results, even if only the pastor, rabbit and boxer take part in the vote.

[NEMO7]

From June 1, Russia suspends the work of American GPS stations on its territory. This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, according to Interfax

Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/31755#ixzz31bOtVcer

[Russ69]

Quote: NEMO7

From June 1, Russia suspends the work of American GPS stations on its territory. This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, according to Interfax

And how many reproaches were addressed to Rogozin when he first hinted at checking the GPS, and then silence. Well, here's the sequel ...

[Stanislas]

Good news. I wish their companions were put out of action and let them go to that simpler one: a compass, an anti-cheater mechanism ...

[Tatarus]

Well, again, how many years ago.
We read summaries of front-line victories.
And adequate to such victories.
And who is not happy ... to all one answer.

Fascism raised its hail again.
Forgot Natsik history lessons.
We will definitely give them a keel later.
And we will shorten the mining plan terms.

You, Kramatorsk, hold on to the end.
We pray for you, or clench your fists.
We will not turn our face away.
We each as a brother lose you.

[alone]

240 killed and wounded)) Do you know what this looks like? To the message of one television campaign that in 3,5 years of the Syrian war the Syrian army lost only 6 thousand soldiers and officers.
Strelkov’s message also looks unrealistic, it’s more likely to raise the morale of 30 killed against one. Those who fought know this doesn’t happen. If only there is no ambush. And then, during an ambush, the attacker cannot escape 1 killed and 1 wounded. after half a minute.

[Russ69]

Quote: lonely

Strelkov’s message also looks unrealistic, it is more likely to raise the morale of 30 killed against one. Those who fought know this does not happen.

With a successful ambush, maybe. And not all those killed are likely. But I agree, the increase in losses among the Natsiks is still present, in my opinion ...

[Vladimir73]

If panic began in the column after the attack, then these are quite real numbers. Judging by the contingent that is recruited there - really "meat". Most likely, the commanders (several people) began to shoot back in an organized manner, and therefore the losses from the ambush, and the rest crashed when they skidded. Moreover, the message says that they blew up a truck with infantry ...
It seems more like this scenario.

[g1v2]

And shootings of riot police columns in Chechnya, and after all there people were adults, albeit gouging. And here is the national guard zbrod - punishers, not warriors. I wrote in comments for a long time that it is necessary to pinch them on marches, otherwise they drive like in a parade. You have to pay for gouging, but in war there is only one fee. A couple of attacks on the columns and half of the National Guard will either die of lead constipation, or will run away. Among the guys from the militia there are many experienced ones, for example ambush tactics did not take place at the lecture. Especially after the referendum of the National Guard, mercenaries, 95, etc., are already occupiers and they can and should be squeezed out.

[alone]

Quote: g1v2

And shootings of riot police columns in Chechnya, and after all there people were adults, albeit gouging. And here is the national guard zbrod - punishers, not warriors.

No one says that losses are impossible. And you wondered how many militants were killed during the ambush at the riot police? I personally know that two leaders of the militants in the second Chechen company were reduced to ordinary militants for the heavy losses incurred during two ambushes against the riot police. After all, the militants, too, were not some shepherds.
As for the fact that the National Guard is not warriors, did you personally come into contact with them in a fight to make such pompous statements? Sitting in a sofa with a computer you can consider yourself Napoleon and a strategist of the Military, but the real battle is a completely different matter.

[g1v2]

Well, if I offended someone about riot police, I'm sorry, but in my memory there were 3 serious riot police columns, the loss of spirits was certainly serious, but I did not write about them. And I wrote about the fact that the fault of our great losses was just gouging and neglect of security measures. Again, excuse me if you offended anyone, but the officers who served there and who hammered it told me. Regarding the fighting qualities of the National Guard, the militias spoke several times in the video, well, and just by their actions in Mariupol, Slavyansk and so on. As for the couch strategist, this is true, but I served as an urgent in the centuries and we were decently driven by the rules of movement in a combat situation, the rules of conduct in such an environment, tactics of interaction with the crowd, civilians, etc. I must say right away that in real business I hardly applied this knowledge, but the fact that the National Guard works stupidly and carelessly is personally obvious to me. In general, I do not want to develop this dispute and again I apologize if I offended you.

[alone]

Quote: g1v2

. In general, I do not want to develop this dispute and again I apologize if I offended you.

no, you didn’t offend me at all. Yes, and my age is not such that they offend me)) I completely agree about lack of care. I can’t say anything about the National Guard of Ukraine. I haven’t touched it. Look from the side and evaluate the actions of this or that unit I think it’s erroneous. And I’ll say why. We don’t really know in what circumstances the battles take place, we don’t really know the degree of effectiveness of their command. We all know from the words of third parties that are, in one sense or another, considered as interested persons. There is practically no objective information. Everyone praises my kitchen. about the video, I also remembered an interview with a soldier who came out of the encirclement near Semenovka. He honestly said that only 25 out of 5 came out. Yes, and to believe what they say on video is 50 to 50.
I myself was ambushed, we didn’t even have proper training, apart from individual people. Thanks to these soldiers, I remained safe and sound. Then there were 8 of our losses and 7 of the enemy. Apart from the wounded, the fighting is very difficult. hurt you, then forgive me (for a sofa with a computer)

P.S.Here is a discussion here. I am always pleased to listen to a reasoned position, even if it is against my hypothesis. It is human nature to err in his opinion.

[g1v2]

By the way, we also practiced ambushes in training in the field.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: lonely

As for the fact that the National Guard is not warriors, did you personally come into contact with them in a fight to make such pompous statements? Sitting in a sofa with a computer you can consider yourself Napoleon and a strategist of the Military, but the real battle is a completely different matter.

With pleasure, plus, Omar Khayyam.

And then I began to swell from the urine-squeal on the site.
We turn into almost the same swamp as the censor, only with the "+" sign.
And all the polls know what and how to "do".
Pylypets.
Very few sensible comments became on political topics, very few.

[alone]

Quote: Aleks tv

And then I began to swell from the urine-squeal on the site.
We turn into almost the same swamp as the censor, only with the "+" sign.
And all the polls know what and how to "do".
Pylypets.
Very few sensible comments became on political topics, very few.

Alex, All this is already annoying in order. And you know what's interesting? Everyone is calling to destroy, cut, kill! And no one, no one says, stop, and both! And there are almost no professionals left.
P.S. Whoever went through the war, saw blood, pain and loss of comrades, will never call for war !!

[Aleks tv]

Quote: lonely

will never call for war !!

Exactly.......................

The military do not confuse, ahem ... some things that are very similar, but fundamentally different from each other ...
.................................................. .....

Really already swollen from the urine-squeals on the site. And everything is all ... they know - and what to do to the Ukrainians, and what to do to the President of Russia, and finally - a bunch of confident opinions in a commanding tone:
-how to fight in the city,
-how to organize ambushes, etc. etc.
Well pilgrim with a sip ...

The situation in SE is not very simple ...
Info.voyna - it is impossible to trust the zomboyaschik from either side.

What I Believe:
- In Slavyansk and the surroundings really get together everyone who can hold weapons and who are against the coming of the Nazi authorities. Slavyansk - transport hub to the Donbass.
- In Mariupol, the people were really angry after the massacre in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and rose MASSOVO.
- Odessa ... was silent.

What I do not understand:
- Why is Donbass silent in its entirety? Some are for Kiev, some are for the federation, some are for joining Russia, someone else hasn’t pecked a fried rooster ...
…………………………………………….
Situevina in the CORN differs from the Crimean scenario both in political capabilities and military.
The fact that Russia “politely” helps in the “dark room” is understandable to the most dumb hedgehog in the distant Siberian Taiga.
Unfortunately, Russia is still not allowed to enter the territory of Ukraine, this will only aggravate the situation and give the Natsik many trump cards.
Donbass for now needs to keep the defense on its own and ... TO PROVE RESISTANCE OF INAPPLICABILITY TO THE NEW AUTHORITY.
And first of all it should SHOW it POPULATION MASSES - just, damn it, stupidly take to the streets of cities as a demonstration, to SHOW your commitment. No one will shoot at MASSES.
Then it will be clear what residents of SE need. And while so many pros just do not understand - WHAT DO SE NEED FOR REALITY?
And it is true.

That's when SUCH a calico goes, then ... there will be almost options ANY help, this is not a problem.
You see, gentlemen of the quack?
To provide military assistance and to solve the issue is NOT a PROBLEM.
The problem is in the DECISION of the SE itself ... then any "sanctions" - FSUs. broom.

[Russ69]

Quote: lonely

As for the fact that the National Guard is not warriors,

At the moment, they are unlikely to be good soldiers, at least most. But experience is a gain, they quickly learn in war and do not give a damn about them.
The militia, the majority also do not have the proper training ...

[Tatarus]

Quote: Yarik

Destroyed from an ambush

So it is written from an ambush.

Quote: lonely

.If not an ambush

Or I am not mistaken

[Slon1978]

Not certainly in that way. Equivalent combat clashes in terms of losses are just not enough - like a oncoming battle, even significantly different in the number of units in an accidental collision, or reconnaissance and search operations in the forest, when the head patrols fired and then one of the sides or both diverge, and even then not always. Usually one side seriously dominates the other and the losses are appropriate, it all depends on the position in the battle and / or numerical or technical superiority. If the topic was seriously monitored, then the federals in Chechnya always inflicted a much more serious defeat on the spirits due to fire superiority from technology, support for artillery, often due to better discipline. The spirits recouped in ambushes on the columns when the losses were not comparable.

[Buran]

To do this, you need to have a sufficient amount of ammunition and weapons, a developed network of caches and lodges, an established communication system, intelligence, and agents. Partisan and sabotage war is a science, unfortunately, there are no such specialists at the militia, but they can be seen learning.

[Andrey77]

The 240 figure is increased, but 30 is quite real. Of course, from an ambush, and immediately washed away. I apologize, changed the firing point.

[noskov]

You know what a nice person. From the real experience of mine. And bitter and successful.
1. 1992 suburb of Sukhumi. 12 people from our side. The column was clamped on the road. In 45 minutes of battle, we used up the entire set of RPG shots and 7,62 PCs. There are 1-2 shops left for machines. Our losses - 2 "200" - 4 "300". The rodents were rushing about so that one BMD turned the turret 180 degrees and fired at the armored personnel carrier traveling from behind. And 2 shots at KAMAZ burned it to the ground in 5 minutes, because there was a container with gasoline. VERDICT: the loss of rodents and UNSO 78 "200" and hell knows how many "300".
2. 1993. Tajikistan. We were covered with 120 mm mortars at night. the shelling went somewhere for about 20 minutes. They stuck a couple of mines into a firing point with an APC and a dugout. Bottom line: our sides are 18 "200" and 11 "300". We answered as best we could. There was no panic, but the effectiveness of the fire was 0. During the day, only 7 "200" were counted for the funeral vaulah and for fresh graves (and they bury them right away according to custom).
And you say. ... One successful shot, and on the other side there were big losses.

[Vitaly11]

some video

[Vitaly11]

and a bit more ...

[noskov]

You know what a nice person. From the real experience of mine. And bitter and successful.
1. 1992 suburb of Sukhumi. 12 people from our side. The column was clamped on the road. In 45 minutes of battle, we used up the entire set of RPG shots and 7,62 PCs. There are 1-2 shops left for machines. Our losses - 2 "200" - 4 "300". The rodents were rushing about so that one BMD turned the turret 180 degrees and fired at the armored personnel carrier traveling from behind. And 2 shots at KAMAZ burned it to the ground in 5 minutes, because there was a container with gasoline. VERDICT: the loss of rodents and UNSO 78 "200" and hell knows how many "300".
2. 1993. Tajikistan. We were covered with 120 mm mortars at night. the shelling went somewhere for about 20 minutes. They stuck a couple of mines into a firing point with an APC and a dugout. Bottom line: our sides are 18 "200" and 11 "300". We answered as best we could. There was no panic, but the effectiveness of the fire was 0. During the day, only 7 "200" were counted for the funeral vaulah and for fresh graves (and they bury them right away according to custom).
And you say. ... One successful shot, and on the other side there were big losses.

[Artyom]

with the detonation of the warehouse, everything can be!

[alone]

Quote: Artyom

with the detonation of the warehouse, everything can be!

Where did you see at the checkpoints the size of an ammunition depot that could kill 100 people. Are they holding shells from Peonies there?

[avia1991]

Quote: lonely

Where did you see at the checkpoints

Dear, on Mount Karachun there is not a checkpoint, there is a National Guard base, artillery positions and a settling tank for armored personnel carriers. No wonder if there was an ammunition dump there. And in order to lay 100 people, the explosion of a couple of warheads of "Gradov" shells is enough.

[alone]

Quote: avia1991

Dear, on Mount Karachun there is not a checkpoint, there is a National Guard base, artillery positions and a settling tank for armored personnel carriers. No wonder if there was an ammunition dump there. And in order to lay 100 people, the explosion of a couple of warheads of "Gradov" shells is enough.

Dear on the mountain, not a base, but a company strong point reinforced with armored personnel carriers. Do you want to recall how many people are in the company? If 100 people died there, why is the mountain still in the hands of the National Guard?

[noskov]

The task is to take the height ??? To gain a foothold on her? 42 year old? The task is to inflict maximum damage. Will you have enough strength then to hold on? Are you a strategist? Do you receive intelligence about the number of the enemy and his losses? being 2 thousand kilometers from a height - easy to discuss. Do you have combat experience? I'm not urgent behind the fence, I mean. I guess not?

[alone]

Quote: noskov

The task is to take the height ??? Fasten on it? 42 year old? The task is to inflict maximum damage.

Mount Karachun is the only height in the area that makes it possible to control the entire area. If Strelka does not have such a plan, then he is an amateur, just like you.

Quote: noskov

Do you have combat experience? I'm not urgent behind the fence, I mean. I guess not?

I have combat experience. I was not an conscript. I served more than 12 years at the forefront.
I know what I'm writing. Unlike some

[noskov]

The task is to take the height ??? To gain a foothold on her? 42 year old? The task is to inflict maximum damage. Will you have enough strength then to hold on? Are you a strategist? Do you receive intelligence about the number of the enemy and his losses? being 2 thousand kilometers from a height - easy to discuss. Do you have combat experience? I'm not urgent behind the fence, I mean. I guess not?

[Tanechka-clever]

Russian Spring - Comment Strelkova I.I. according to the situation near Kramatorsk.
“According to the radio interception, the loss of the National Guard killed by the first shelling of Karachun alone amounted to more than 100 people killed. Mostly as a result of the detonation of the ammunition depot.
According to some reports, 102 people whom Ukrainians most recently recorded as deserters are just victims of the shelling, which Ukrainians cannot tell their relatives about, and therefore disgraced posthumously».

"disgraced posthumously" - I thought, "Is this possible" and answered myself - in the affirmative "YES". It is noteworthy that the "Ukrainian Truth" does not tell about the victims on the part of the National Guard and the "Right Sector" - because "cannon fodder" is dying, which they do not care about - as well as those who died on the Maidan. Victims of the Maidan have already played their political role for the Maidan. Now for the murdered in the southeast will have to pay benefits to children and parents - but if there is no person, then there is no problem. Today, the number of those killed will already play against the maydanut functionaries, which means that these figures must be hidden, as well as everything related to the events of the shooting on the Maidan and the fire in Odessa - "in the interests of the investigation." The inhumanity of the Maidan politicians and the fascist government in Kiev is terrifying with its applause on the air - this was seen by millions of viewers - when people were burning alive in Odessa. It is important for them that their dirty and inhuman goals to unlimited power are provided by those whom they send to the southeast - let them die, and then they will call them "deserters" - you can write off everything for the war now, but you still have to answer tomorrow

[alone]

Was it 100 bagged so that they could be hidden?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

They took them to the morgue, they will bury them, tea is not an animal. There is one more confirmation of the information that the losses of the National Guard are intensely concealed. Help me see this!

This is from Slavyansk .. D. Steshin (does not lie exactly ..)
You can be lonely ... it's just that no one needs these corpses like the pilot of a downed helicopter .. (on the other side the money rules ..) that's all .. About Odessa I am silent at all ..

[alone]

Vitaly, let's not. For each specific person stands his relatives, family, acquaintances. Do you really think that our time can hide the fact of the death of 100 people? With these words, you say what Chechen fighters say. They claimed that during the war in Chechnya 60-70 thousand Russian soldiers were killed and Russia concealed the bodies of these soldiers.
I won’t say anything about Steshin. I don’t recognize this person. But I don’t trust anyone. Nobody. Everywhere is a hoax. Can you recall the video of the corpses from the BTR? It turned out that these were not Ukrainians, but Wahhabis from Dagestan. There is a widespread information war. than real military operations. And in the information war there are no rules. They deceive everyone.

[Dikson]

All the same, it will not do without war ...

[Yarik]

It’s a pity that they didn’t take Kamaz with ammunition. And they fight fiercely: put 30 people, I’ll tell you that. Well done!

I don’t understand, who minus me? Banderlog on the site? Cheating !!!!

[Andrey77]

There are no pros and cons in a war. An otvetka will arrive tomorrow. :(

[Slon1978]

Banderlog on the Censor) This is generally tin what happens there. I registered, wrote some quite adequate comments, moderate in text, logically substantiated, without throwing Mr. Opponents, nevertheless, after 15 minutes - posts in spam. Then the nickname is blocked by the moderator. Here there is a really boiling and foaming cauldron of hatred, all the impurities and opinions from the side are extinct at times. I advise you to drop in sometimes for contrast and emotional shake. The news, too - upside down - the people are really zombie, as if living in the looking glass ...

[Artyom]

Swam, we know! What did the IP moderator block?

[Aljavad]

the people are really zombie, they live as if through the looking glass ...

And what do you think, if they are taught at school that the ancient Ukrainians dug the Black Sea for themselves, and the Crimea - the breed they took out.

[Sochi]

FROM JUNE 1, RUSSIA SUSPENS THE WORK OF AMERICAN GPS STATIONS IN ITS TERRITORY.

This was announced by the Russian Deputy Prime Minister.

[Ross]

Quote: ledi-irina

Well, let them include the brain, at least its left half

Imagine where this hero has any half? Lies in parliament !!!!!!!!!!

[tokin1959]

It’s a pity that they didn’t catch this nits.

[alone]

And in the article that he was caught, a good half already put him on a stake. I want to look in the eyes of the one who announced that he was caught in Mariupol. There is complete misinformation on both sides. Moreover, it’s open. And here I apologize for expression, hanging ears, believe everything we are told.

[Wels75]

Well, this is not the first time for him. all the brains through ... ready to suck.
noble

[Combat279]

Swota ....

[Zomanus]

Well, quite a bit of time has passed since the referendum. Soon, I think, will begin.

[Vlad Gore]

Only after crushing the nits (junta) in its lair (Kiev), the people of Little Russia will gain freedom.

[chelovektapok]

Good luck to the Strelkovites! The more undead leave where it came from, the less People will die. It's not about emotion- This is the LAW. Mad dogs are shot. Otherwise, they bite many. Once again, WITH GOD! And bless you Saint George in the Righteous Cause!

[NEMO7]

Russia does not intend to extend the operation of the International Space Station after 2020, Interfax reports.

The corresponding statement was made on Tuesday by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin. “We plan that we need the ISS before 2020,” he said.

According to Rogozin, after 2020, Russia intends to use the funds allocated for manned space exploration for more promising space projects.

The official recalled that a third of the budget of Roscosmos goes to manned space exploration. At the same time, the Deputy Prime Minister noted that "the Russian segment can exist independently of the American, the American segment cannot exist independently of the Russian."

Rogozin acknowledged that the relationship between Russia and the United States under the ISS project is mutual, but more from the point of view of the United States, since they do not have their own means of delivering astronauts into orbit.

“We understand that the International Space Station is a fragile, both literally and figuratively, topic. We will act absolutely pragmatically here and will not put obstacles to work on the ISS, ”Rogozin said.

“We have a certain interest expressed by our American colleagues on extending the work of the ISS until 2024, but the Federal Space Agency of the Russian Academy of Sciences and the Foundation for Advanced Research are now ready to offer some new strategic points related to the further development of Russian cosmonautics after 2020,” the vice-president said prime.

It is expected that Roscosmos will submit to the government a bill on promising space projects in the summer.

[Uncle Dima]

TO BERLIN!!!

[alone]

maybe right to new york? Another Throat !!

[typhoon7]

The militias are moving from the tactics of containment to aggressive attacks, I think many military men will think about it and draw appropriate conclusions. "Dnepr" must be uprooted, it looks like the most frostbitten, it is possible that they are working with state PMCs (judging by how cold-blooded a sniper in Krasnoarmeisk laid down unarmed people). Hopefully they will answer for the lawlessness.

[Andrey77]

In the "forehead" did not work. It means siege and shelling. And then reconnaissance in force again.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

The fighting spirit of the National Guard is zero. At the checkpoint in Malinovka, there are no more inspections with everything turned inside out. Two guardsmen "did not notice" us.

And two weeks ago, they put journalists on their knees and shook and played with automatic weapons. So they played it out.

D. Steshin writes in Slavyansk ..
A wave of men has gone .. The youth of the Southeast keep it up ..!

[All1]

Quote: Alll1

Our Supreme is silent for something, I don’t understand anything ...

None x. minuses thrown! It seems to understand: Russia is beginning to euthanize the United States

Source: http://politikus.ru/articles/19097-rossiya-pristupaet-k-evtanazii-ssha.html
Politikus.ru We’ll hit the most sick p..sov, and 20 is also planned with China!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

- What, soldier, have a good sleep ?!
- Sure, piss!
- Well this, soldier, does not matter! Such an environmental situation today. They all succumb ... I succumb ... And even the commander-in-chief wakes up, it happens, - but according to the situation! Well, because of this, do not give the last debt to the motherland? We will define your shameful affliction as a feat: we will send to Slavyansk. There you will also start to fight.

These are the jokes .. they went and not casual ..

[asar]

It was worth expecting! “Water” without regret, without hesitation! The actions of Kyiv can only be stopped by the tough, forceful position of the DPR! We are with you, Donetsk residents! Kill the fascists!

[halg]

ICTV reported: “As a result of a vile attack by terrorists from an ambush on the column of the 25th brigade, 6 were killed, 8 were wounded. A KAMAZ with ammunition was destroyed.”
Those. if multiplied by 2 (at least) = 30. Knowing the “honest” Ukrainian media, the militia’s data can be considered correct.

[Calter]

Quote: MIKHAN

Fresh comment Strelkova I.I. on the situation near Kramatorsk

summer56

13 May 2014. 15H 00 min.

"The Kramatorsk company (formed by 2/3 of the Cossacks) has just reported on the completion of the mission. 2 armored personnel carriers, 1 KAMAZ with infantry, 1 KAMAZ with ammunition were destroyed from an ambush, about 30 enemy soldiers were killed and wounded. Only 1 GAZ-66 managed to escape. with a mortar on a trailer. Our losses are -1 "200th" and 1 "300th". The deceased is a volunteer from Dnepropetrovsk. "

And the first information appears about the losses of the National Guard of Ukraine as a result of shelling by valiant artillerymen Igor Ivanovich:

“According to the radio interception, the losses of the National Guard in killed only as a result of the first shelling of Karachun made more than 100 people killed, mainly as a result of the detonation of an ammunition depot.
According to some reports, 102 people whom the Ukrainians recently recorded as "deserters" are just the victims of the shelling, about which the Ukrainians cannot inform their relatives and therefore they were dishonored posthumously. "

Here's something like this ..

It’s all too rosy... It’s not just militias, but special forces with 2 sets of heavy weapons on their snouts.

[yushch]

As I wrote, the first stage of the confrontation is ending. It looks like an adult war is beginning.